October 25: The Giants have made it official, announcing today that Bob Melvin is now their manager.
October 24: The Giants “are poised to announce” that Bob Melvin has been hired as the team’s new manager, The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly reports. It isn’t known when the official announcement could be made, though the league prefers that teams save major news for between postseason rounds, so the Giants may wait until for the two days between the end of the NLCS and the start of the World Series on Friday.
Between the late-season firing of Gabe Kapler as manager and the reports of discord between Melvin and Padres president of baseball operations A.J. Preller, there has been plenty of speculation over the last month that Melvin might find himself on the move from San Diego to San Francisco. Padres chairman Peter Seidler’s stated preference was that both Melvin and Preller remain with the organization in 2024, and Preller even said in a post-season wrapup press conference that “Bob is our manager, and he’s going to be our manager going forward.”
However, Melvin remained on the Giants’ radar, and a parting between Melvin and the Padres seemed inevitable once San Diego granted Melvin permission to interview with the Giants this past weekend. As Baggarly reports, that interview took place on Monday, and involved several members of San Francisco’s ownership group and baseball operations staff, not to mention franchise icon Buster Posey. It seems as though the interview was enough to confirm Melvin’s status as the favorite for the job, and the veteran skipper will now get a new job as an early birthday present, as he turns 62 on Saturday.
Melvin’s resume includes three Manager of the Year Awards, eight postseason appearances, and a 1517-1425 record over 20 seasons with the Padres, Athletics, Diamondbacks, and Mariners. The hiring in San Francisco is also something of a homecoming for the Palo Alto native, and a continuation of Melvin’s linkage of the Bay Area and his baseball career. Melvin played with the Giants for three of his 10 seasons as a big league catcher, and had an 11-year stint managing the A’s from 2011-21.
As it happens, this is the second time in almost exactly two years that Melvin take a new managerial job while leaving another job with one year remaining on his contract. The A’s had contractual control over Melvin for the 2022 season but chose to let him walk to the Padres without compensation, with reports stating that Melvin’s $4MM salary was seen as onerous for an Oakland club that was about to embark on a major teardown. It is also fair to assume that the Athletics front office was open to letting Melvin make a graceful exit to a better situation, rather than keep him as manager for at least one season of what looks like it will be a lengthy rebuild process.
This past weekend’s reports from Baggarly and Dennis Lin suggest that Melvin’s current salary (also $4MM for 2024, the last year of his Padres contract) might have been a factor in San Diego’s decision, as the organization is planning to reduce expenditures in a number of different areas. With a mounting debt that could be in conflict with MLB regulations and some broadcasting uncertainty due to the Diamond Sports Group’s bankruptcy proceedings, the Padres look to be cutting back on the high-spending ways, including a reported reduction in player payroll to around $200MM for next season.
Finances aside, the simpler answer is probably just that the Giants’ interest allowed for the Padres to part ways with Melvin in relatively smooth fashion, without the awkwardness of a firing. Preller has already fired three different managers (Bud Black, Andy Green, Jayce Tingler) during his nine-plus years in charge of San Diego’s front office, and three other men (Dave Roberts, Pat Murphy, Rod Barajas) have also worked as interim managers. Of course, whether it was a firing or a “parting of the ways,” the bottom line is that the Padres have had another manager come and go while Preller remains.
Lin and Ken Rosenthal examined how the Preller/Melvin relationship soured in a piece for The Athletic last month, and the criticisms of Preller’s management style also predated Melvin’s arrival in San Diego. In fact, Melvin’s hiring was seen as a stabilizing element after the clubhouse turmoil that marked the end of Tingler’s managerial stint, yet it seems as though the ship was only steadied through the success of the 2022 season. This year, the Padres underachieved despite their massive payroll, with a very poor record in one-run (9-23) and extra-inning (2-12) games undermining a team that, by all other statistical measurements, should’ve won a lot more than 82 games.
With even more pressure on Preller to get the Friars on track, the next managerial hire will be one of the most crucial decisions of his tenure. Two internal candidates (Mike Shildt and bench coach Ryan Flaherty) have already emerged as leading contenders for the job, and it might be that the Padres wanted to start lining up some candidates before officially green-lighting Melvin’s interview with San Francisco. San Diego will surely interview some other people out of due diligence, though it wouldn’t be a shock if the job does end up going to either first-time manager Flaherty, or former Cardinals skipper Shildt.
As for Melvin, he’ll now take over another team in need of a culture change. After winning 107 games in 2021, the Giants are 159-163 over the last two seasons, and Kapler’s hands-off managerial style was starting to seem more like a detriment than a plus. Several Giants players, either on or off the record, felt the club was somewhat directionless, with Logan Webb outright stating he felt “we have to make some big changes in here to create that winning culture.”
These criticisms extended not only to Kapler but to president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi, whose contract is believed to run only through the end of the 2024 season. As such, Zaidi is also certainly feeling the pressure to build a contending roster, and the Giants are expected to be aggressive shoppers this winter after missing out on both Aaron Judge and Carlos Correa as a big-ticket addition last offseason. Faced with what might be a make-or-break scenario, it probably isn’t surprising that Zaidi has turned to a familiar face as manager — Zaidi previously worked as the Athletics’ assistant GM during Melvin’s tenure in Oakland.
The terms of Melvin’s contract aren’t yet known, though Baggarly suggests it could be a relatively short-term deal, should Melvin view the San Francisco job “as a fitting place to round out” his career. There has been some buzz about possible coaching changes coming to the Giants’ staff, though Baggarly suggests that the majority of San Francisco’s 13-person staff could be retained. That perhaps puts a different spin on the Giants’ managerial search, as the focus on internal candidates and others with past Giants ties (i.e. Stephen Vogt) might have been a way of gauging how any of these candidates might have been willing to mesh with Melvin, if he was Zaidi’s preferred choice all along.
davemlaw
Just makes sense. Bay Area guy who played for the Giants and has had a great career as a manager.
Doesn’t mean he’ll be successful but I hope he is.
julyn82001
Always like Bob. He has the pulse and respect of those who play for him. With the A’s having such a low budget their front office headed by Billy Beane was just masterful keeping a competitive team for so long. Excellent hiring…
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Giants get a Melvin. Padres just get a wedgie.
In nurse follars
They hired Eric Wedge? He has not managed in the bigs in years.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
While it is very fair to criticize Preller on so many different levels, one thing that non-Padres fans don’t seem to understand (and admittedly along with perhaps some of the more curmudgeonly fanbase — you know, those people who swore that HS Kim was a bum and wanted him gone — those people) is that Preller and the rest of the ownership/executive team put some real life into a Padres organization when it was most needed. 1998 was the last time the Pads had much to cheer for (leaving aside the division winners in the early/mid 2000s that had little fight beyond merely a playoff appearance and that 2010 team that overplayed until, well, they didn’t).
In fact, leaving aside the 1998 World Series appearance (which was sandwiched between two bad seasons — remember that) and perhaps a few Gwynn milestones here and there, there hasn’t been this tier of excitement since the Sheffield, McGriff, Fernandez (and Gwynn) days. That was the early nineties and lasted a mere two years. Those teams disappointed much like this recent star-studded cast but the excitement from the current batch still has not waned. With baseball the only big four in town (likely to stay that way for some time), sports fans loyal to the local cause are stuck with what they got. Without Preller at the helm, it is unlikely this sustained level of excitement would have happened. Possible? Yes. But unlikely.
JoeBrady
Without Preller at the helm, it is unlikely this sustained level of excitement would have happened.
=======================
If you gave any GM almost $300M to spend, would they not be able to generate some excitement?
Gwynning
Thanks Tipsy, well put (from a diehard Friar/San Diegan, you nailed it.)
no soup for you
Great post Comrade
websoulsurfer
He was never given $300 million to spend. The most actually spent in a season was $248 million.
2023 $248,919,895 ( 3)
2022 $211,218,286 ( 5)
2021 $174,118,220 ( 9)
unpaidobserver
And it’s…okay…that $248 million not enough to field a team that gets last Wild Card?
JSC Cubbs
Ask new York fans if they have had sustained excitement at that spending level
websoulsurfer
Players did their job. See my other posts. Manager didn’t. See all the Padres fans posts on here.
Candlestoked
That explains the brown and yellow uniforms.
VegasSDfan
Agree, the team was good enough to make a playoff run. The management ended the 23 season for the Padres
Pads Fans
With a good manager it should have been enough. The players certainly performed well enough to make it there. Too bad the manager lost them so many close games.
Francys01
I definitely like that the Giants will hire Melvin as their new manager. The Giants will have a good manager and hopefully the Giants can have a good offseason by signing several free agents or acquiring some players by trades to improve the team.
GarryHarris
The Bob Melvin hiring explains the Gabe Kapler firing and possibly the rift between AJ Preller and Melvin. This scenario seems planned.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Great career?
BasedBall
Padres and Giants must not see each other as rivals. Both teams probably only care about beating LA but still kinda surprising
phantomofdb
Yeah this seems like an odd turn of events to me
bag o ballz
well considering the reports of friction between melvin and preller – it makes sense that the padres might be more than happy to have someone take over the last year of the contract and it does at least give farhan a 1 year deal on a manager to turn the franchise around
Jean Matrac
We don’t know yet, but unless I’m mistaken, this isn’t a trade. I’ll be very surprised if any assets go to SD. Otherwise, the Padres will be releasing Melvin from his contract. The Giants will sign him to a new contract. The $4M left on the deal is relevant only to the Padres in that’s how much money they’ll save, minus what they’ll pay the new guy.
BasedBall
I get that there’s friction but you still need to hire a new a manager. The main reason it’s surprising is because teams don’t usually take risks like this that could blow up and cost them a division title or playoff spot. Preller has shown a willingness to deal with rivals before though so I shouldn’t be too shocked.
The padres saving a couple million and giving a rival a veteran manager in a time of need seems silly to me.
Samuel
MLB needs expansion (actually, it needs contraction);
Under Seidler and Preller the Padres are in the entertainment business, not the business of playing winning baseball.
Last year they finished 3rd in MLB attendance. Do not put baseball values on them.
CrikesAlready
Yes. They have repeatedly talked about the entertainment experience at the ballpark. Very true!
9er78
Go Away Turd.
Pads Fans
The Giants signed him to a new 3 year deal today.
SFBay314
Preller and Melvin hate each other
If Padres fire Melvin they owe him $4M
If they trade him Giants pay him and Padres get a new manager Padres get a manager without paying $4M they would have had to pay if they fired him.
Win Win
WiffleBall
That’s all well and good, but to “send him” to a division rival speaks to OP’s point. You don’t “deal” to a rival unless don’t see them as a rival, or don’t think the player (in this case manager) can actually help them, especially if you’re getting NOTHING in return.
That said, if we find out that the Giants have to cough a prospect, that’s a different story.
sacball
You do realize this is exactly how Bochy came to the Giants..
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Padres are poor now, maybe the Giants will pay $4 million to Melvin and send the Padres $50,000 in “cash considerations”. Haha!
This one belongs to the Reds
Plus they save Melvin’s salary. It will be interesting to see how cheap the next manager is.
Pads Fans
No they don’t. The media says they do. HUGE difference. Melvin was NEVER Preller’s guy. Seidler hired him when Preller wanted Shidlt. Preller was right. Now he gets his man.
Pads Fans
The Padres get something. They get rid of a “hands-off” manager that killed their 2023 season with his lack of commitment to actually managing the team. They get rid of his top 5 salary. A win-win for the Padres.
Lorenzo
Yes, but it was an ex-A’s executive, Sandy Alderson, who chased Bochy away. Bochy didn’t have instant success either, he started with 2 straight 90-loss seasons, then a winning, 3rd place season, before starting the even-numbered WS seasons.
Bochy became a genius when Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum developed, along with Jonathan Sanchez, later helped by Bumgarner and Vogelsong. His final World Series was with veterans Tim Hudson and Jake Peavy thrown in.
In other words, the Giants had pitching, plus hitting and defense. Bochy’s 4th even numbered WS win didnt happen in 2016, despite adding Johnny Cueto and Samardzija, because the clutch hitting and defense weren’t there.
The pitching, clutch hitting, and defense won’t return suddenly next season just because BoMel is in charge. Zaidi will have to make some critical additions with the owners’ money to see a big boost in just one year.
Lorenzo
Managers have been “traded” before, with compensation. It wouldn’t be a surprise, except to fans who don’t know the history of The Game.
gilgunderson
The bullpen was what won the Giants three World Series, and the diminished effectiveness of their late inning relievers is what cost them in 2016. Bochy deserves so much credit for getting the absolute most out of Affeldt, Romo, Lopez, Casilla, Wilson, Petit, and even Lincecum when he was demoted from the postseason rotation.
Balk
PadsFan…to say a manager killed their 2023 season is laughable. Maybe try blaming the clubhouse or something but one man is to blame is ridiculous
ed spiezio
Pads fan?
Really, that might be the lamest take on this on this dynamic I’ve heard yet. Melvin was the problem, not nine years of AJ… ok…
Pads Fans
The manager is responsible for the culture in the clubhouse and the results on the field. That means the manager killed their 2023 season.
Maybe try actually learning what happened in SD in 2023. Melvin quit on the team in late April. He just didn’t leave the team until October.
Pads Fans
Until you decided to post. Go learn something about the Padres and come back. Maybe watch a few games, especially from May on.
Preller put in place a plan in the 2015-2016 offseason to contend by 2021. He did his job. He put together a team favored to make the WS in 2023. Melvin quit on the team in April. Said he was taking a hands off approach to managing. In other words he did very little of his actual job besides cashing a check.
Balk
Pads Fan…have you ever played baseball? Lol…cmon kid. To say a manager is to blame for star players not hitting, or tatis juicing, or pitchers being injured is ridiculous. Knock it off
Balk
Preller may have put in place a plan or a team, but it’s the players that have to show up and play. They didn’t, plain and simple.
Jean Matrac
Managers only get traded when the incumbent team would like to keep the guy, but the guy wants to leave, and the new team wants him bad enough. I think the Padres see him leaving as a gift from the Giants and aren’t going to demand compensation, and screw it up.
BaseballisLife
Tatis juiced while the teams were locked out prior to the 2022 season and the Padres went to the NLCS.
The level of Padres losses in 1 run games and extra innings was much more than players not hitting. It was endemic bad decision making by the manager. How many more wins would they have needed to make the playoffs? 3? 4?
That is on the manager.
A half dozen different people that seem to be Padres fans have talked about how Melvin was hands off like Kapler in SF, failed to create a winning culture, and consistently made bad match up and bullpen decisions.
We know from the many articles about it that Melvin could not get his closer to pitch on back-back days or get 4 outs. It was also very public that several starting pitchers refused to throw yo anyone other than Nola early in the season and their GM had to step in to make changes in May. That talks to the fact that the players did not respect Melvin.
Melvin seems to have been the common denominator in the Padres problems.
BaseballisLife
Its the manager’s job to get the players to give their best. He didn’t.
Balk
Baseballislife…”Melvin couldn’t get his closer to pitch on back to back days?” Sounds like a bunch of disgruntled players…although some responsibility is to blame on managers, but it’s ultimately up to the players to come together and do what they do best…play. Kapler was no more to blame than Zaidi, so totally two different scenarios there. So was it Melvin who got them to finish strong then? Or was it the players? lol
Balk
That just sounds like a bunch of excuses to me bro. Boch during the winning years of the Giants let the freaks and weirdos handle clubhouse speeches, they brought the team together. What you’re saying sounds like gm/manager problems. Winning teams rise above the noise.
Samuel
SFBay314;
Great point!
Sure, the Padres couldn’t possibly afford to eat $4m on a bad contract.
LOL
BaseballisLife
All the responsibility for culture is on the manager. Good ones get their players to give 100%. Melvin couldn’t. That is his failure alone.
It’s been widely reported that Machado and Soto called a players only meeting in late August and they then went on a win streak. It also was reported about that time that there was a rift between Melvin and Preller. That might account for rumors from inside the organization that Flaherty was making the calls in September. That would certainly make for a “unfixable” relationship with Preller if he was having Flaherty make the decisions on rosters and in- game decisions.
BaseballisLife
Winning MANAGERS rise above the noise.
CrikesAlready
Don’t forget that AJ Preller was going to players behind Melvin’s back and that set things into motion. Kevin Acee and Dennis Lin independently verified those accounts of Peller going directly to players, if I recall their articles correctly.
Balk
That’s exactly what I’m saying, “Machado and Soto called a team meeting and then went on a win streak” It was all along on the players to preform well, managers come and go, players no matter where they are they are paid to play. Melvin and Preller can’t make a batter hit well, or a pitcher pitch well. It’s an even split on the Padres failed season. All are responsible. Not a manager. Lol
Balk
You think it was all Kaplers fault the Giants tanked? Lol No way bro…injuries and underperforming players tanked the season. Boch has a losing win/loss column for his career but has three rings. Like I said winning TEAMS rise above the noise. Maybe too many chiefs and not enough Indians on the padres.
websoulsurfer
As bad as Melvin has proved he is with bullpen usage in the last two places he has managed, that does not bode well for the Giants
websoulsurfer
The Padres needed 3 more wins. Melvin’s BP usage alone lost them more than 3 times that.
The clubhouse is always the manager’s job. He has to set the culture in the clubhouse and on the field. Melvin is to blame for failing to build a winning culture.
That you don’t know that says clearly that you never played the game. Maybe in Little League, but certainly not past that or you would know what the manager’s job is.
websoulsurfer
Ed, he is right. The Padres season is 100% on Melvin and that is why Seidler is letting him walk even though he was the one that hired Melvin.
Preller has had 3 years when his payroll was not near the bottom of baseball. The Padres made it to the NLCS in the 2nd season of that time frame. The farm system is once again in the top 10 and will be even higher come the beginning of the season rankings. Preller did his job. Melvin did not.
websoulsurfer
Balk, its obvious you haven’t played. The manager is responsible for EVERYTHING that happens on the team in the clubhouse and on the field.
The team itself was 6th in OPS+ and 7th in wRC+. They hit well.
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&st…
They were 5th in DRS. 4th in OAA. They fielded well.
Overall they were 6th in bWAR and 7th in fWAR.
The pitching staff was tied for #1 in ERA.
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&st…
The PLAYERS did their jobs.
The manager did not.
That is why he is being allowed to move on even though he is under contract.
You have much to learn about the game when you are trying to insult others about their knowledge. Maybe start with learning the basic stats and then go talk to people that actually know WTF they are talking about.
websoulsurfer
The players showed up. See my post above. It’s not even something you can argue about. The stats are clear and beyond question.
The manager didn’t show up. His questionable decisions on BP usage alone cost the team more than enough games that they would have been in the WC.
websoulsurfer
Balk, what you are missing is that the players DID perform.
The team itself was 6th in OPS+ and 7th in wRC+. They hit well.
They were 5th in DRS. 4th in OAA. They fielded well.
Overall they were 6th in bWAR and 7th in fWAR.
The pitching staff was tied for #1 in ERA.
The bullpen was 11th in MLB in ERA.
Melvin failed to do HIS part of the job.
That is create w winning culture on and off the field.
That is to make good decisions on the lineup and in the game. Those were things that were 100% in his purview because no one else was making those decisions and he failed to do them well. Watch a few games and you will see all his many F ups in BP usage.
That is to get players to give 100% on the field and he couldn’t even get his closer to pitch outside of the 9th inning or get his starters to pitch to other catchers than Nola early in the season.
MELVIN was the issue.
websoulsurfer
Yet in SF the players spoke out about Kapler’s hands off managing and felt there was no direction.
It WAS Kapler’s responsibility, and he failed to perform his part.
websoulsurfer
That players only meeting was about Machado and Soto calling out the other players and in essence saying if the coaching staff won’t provide direction, we will take it into our own hands.
I am not so sure that Preller handed the reins over to Flaherty or Christenson at that point, it doesn’t seem like a smart decision, but I do know he called Melvin in for a pow wow after that POM.
Bozzmania
Give it up your speaking nonsense. I’ve watch baseball all my life and I remember Sparky Anderson managed the Big Red Machine and the last place Tigers. It’s on the players to perform.. Yes the Pads were only 2 games from the playoffs but it took until the final weekend to reach 500. The previous 5 months they were garbage when it counted. Play only improved when it became garbage time of season
JSC Cubbs
@balk nah, padres have had plenty of former Indians
JSC Cubbs
How was it garbage time when the padres weren’t eliminated until the final series?
The only player who treated it like garbage time was Hader. Luckily, he can go refuse to pitch elsewhere next season.
Machado certainly didn’t see it as garbage time, he gutted out every game his elbow could handle.
websoulsurfer
Bozz, that may be the dumbest thing I have read on this thread and that is saying a lot.
The players performed. That is crystal clear. 6th in OPS+ and WAR. #1 in ERA. No one can fault the players.
The manager did not perform. 2-12 in extra innings. 9-23 in 1 run games. Poor bullpen usage. Poor game management. Terrible matchup management.
VirginiaGiant
Melvin “quit” on the team the 1st month of the season, yeah sure! Sounds like you’re the one needing to “learn” what was actually going on with the Padres… and you don’t establish a culture by treating player acquisitions like you’re playing an X-Box game…
Balk
Websoulsurfer…nope…you’ve just wasted a lot of time typing a bunch of nonsense. “Players waiting on direction on how to win”? Hahaha!!! Riddle me this, at the end of the season, when they got hot, did Melvin still pull the strings? Did he make pitching changes? Pinch hitting? Yes he sure did, but like you said it took machado and Soto to get on the players to start playing, and wahlah, you get a hot streak. Players have to play, sorry wrong again kid
Balk
Haha
Balk
VirginiaGiant…exactly. This dude is looking at ending stats. They played like garbage all season until the last two weeks when players decided to start playing and stop listening to all the noise. They are on the field and need to control the game, a manager just creates the matchup, players have to play. Period.
Brew88
Of course you can fault the players too. Why can’t the fact that they missed the playoffs be on the players, managers and management, all of them. Seems to me they all underperformed to expectations. Exception Snell and Kim of course.
Balk
Brew88…that’s exactly what I’m saying
Bozzmania
Dude you are clogging up this thread with incoherent thoughts. You can cite statistics till your blue in the face but it doesn’t change performance when it counts. It was completely absent with this Padre team until way too late. Lying with stats is one of the oldest tricks in the book. If stats meant that much how do you explain an 84 win team with negative run differential in the WS.? The talent (players) didn’t perform and they’ve admitted so up and down the roster. Did Melvin take the at bats, make the pitches?
Pads Fans
I did play You obviously haven’t played any team sports. Especially not baseball.
The Padres players hit. 6th best in baseball. Tatis didn’t juice. That was before the 2022 season. Pitchers had the best ERA in baseball.
EVERYTHING you said is wrong. You are the one that needs to knock it off.
Pads Fans
You kept repeating the same statement and it was wrong each time. The players showed up and played. 6th best in OPS+, WAR, and 4th best on defense. The pitchers were 1st in ERA. Melvin didn’t show up.
Pads Fans
It sounds like a manager that is not respected by his players. That is why the Padres owner allowed Melvin to walk after talking to the players and other staff.
You keep trying to make excuses for Melvin but the facts remain that the players were among the best in baseball on the field, the managers top responsibility is getting the players to come together as a team, to set the culture of the team.
The Padres failings this season were on a manager that refused to even try to do his job.
Pads Fans
Crikes, all GM’s talk to players directly. All of them. Acee wrote subsequent articles that said his earlier ones were wrong. Both were just as sensationalized. Ask anyone that reads him regularly, since the paper was sold you cannot rely on anything he says.
Pads Fans
Kapler was canned because he became so much of a hands off manager that players started to complain, some publicly. To the point they said he was providing no direction for the team.
Melvin was allowed to walk because he was such a hands off manager that players started to complain. Players held players only meetings to discuss it in late August.
See the similarities?
The difference is the Padres had so much talent on the team that they could go on a 20-7 streak to end the season while the Giants faded.
Bochy has nothing to do with Kapler or Melvin.
Winning teams rise above the noise, something Melvin refused to do.
Pads Fans
Web, can I steal this for an answer to other commenters? That was perfectly said.
Pads Fans
Garbage time? The Padres were in it until the final series against the White Sox. Obviously you don’t watch much baseball.
Its on the manager to create a winning culture. Its on the manager to get guide the players, especially in important moments in the game. See Sparky Anderson’s comments about the 1989 Tigers his book “They call Me Sparky”.
Sparky managed the Tigers to 10 straight winning seasons, two pennants and a WS title. When the team began to falter as they aged, Sparky didn’t blame it on the players even though, unlike the Padres players, the Tigers players didn’t perform ending up near the bottom in hitting, fielding and dead last in pitching. He blamed it on his own bad decisions. That is what a great manager does.
Pads Fans
Melvin said publicly in April that he was taking a hands-off approach to managing the team.
We found out that he stopped having mandatory practice for the players. He allowed the players to come out if they wanted to.
Melvin was not involved with actively coaching the players. I sit with a clear view of the dugout and close enough to hear the players and coaches talking. Melvin was never seen talking to players during the season.
Melvin failed to gain the respect of his players to the point that starting pitchers refused to pitch to anyone other than Nola early in the season, players refused to play at all unless they started including players like Odor and Grisham, the closer refused to pitch on back to back days or for more than 3 outs or in any inning except the 9th. There are many more examples but I don’t want this to be a book.
The Padres added one of the best SS in the game over the offseason and Tatis returned from his suspension in late-April with a great attitude.
Bogaerts was better than Kim and Kim was incredible at every position he had played. He moved to SS ONLY because Tatis was out all of 2022 and the Padres had no other choice. Cronenworth had played great 1B in 2020, 2021, and 2022 and there were no good options on the FA or trade market. He volunteered to take over at 1B. None of those were bad decisions and overall those 3 players were better in 2023 than the Padres had been at those positions in 2022. Other than Bogaerts, both of those players had played multiple positions for their entire careers.
So please, stop talking about things you obviously have no understanding of. There is a reason Preller is still a Padre and Melvin was allowed to walk even though he was still under contract.
Pads Fans
At the end of the season Melvin was no longer pulling the strings. Preller called Melvin in after the Cardinals series and the players only meeting and read him the riot act. From that point on he didn’t even fill out the lineup card. Watch a few games and notice who called the pen or walked to the mound after that. I will give you a hint, it wasn’t Melvin.
The players had been playing all season. You missed the key facts that the team was near the top in hitting, defense, and were at the very top in pitching. The PLAYERS performed.
When players perform and the team loses its on the Manager. Melvin didn’t perform. Its really that simple.
I know that sucks for your Giants, but it is absolutely what happened.
Please don’t call anyone kid. I have been a season ticket holder for the Padres since 1985. That is probably longer than you have been alive. I have seen posts by Web on here since near the beginning of this website in 2005. This is the first time I have ever seen you on this board.
Pads Fans
Each and every time you post you get the basic facts wrong. On September 1st the Padres ranked 6th in OPS+ and WAR, 4th in OAA, and 2nd in ERA. Other than ERA in which they ended up tied for 1st, none of that changed. The Padres players had been performing all season.
The players performed. The manager failed to perform. Period.
Pads Fans
The Padres ranked the same in OPS+, WAR, and defense at the end of August than they did at the end of the season. The only stat where their performance changed in September/October was ERA where they went from 2nd to 1st overall. That last month of the season was not their best month in any category including pitching. May and July were in most categories but they went 10-16 in May and 15-10 in July. What changed in September is that Melvin was no longer part of the decision making.
The players performed. The stats are clear. That you are even trying to dispute that says clearly that you don’t understand baseball.
That the players took responsibility for the season while the manager refused to says volumes about who was actually at fault. The responsibility for wins and losses always falls 100% on the shoulders of the manager, especially when the players are performing.
Balk
Kid you need to stop….you keep making yourself look bad…for the record I played ball till I was 25, I still coach, and as a coach, no matter the age, I can’t get a kid to want to play for me or make a kid pitch better or hit better. This problem the Padres had was a group failure not a Melvin failure. Period. That’s my last comment on this. Good day to you youngster.
BaseballisLife
How many times did your mother drop you on your head? What was it like spending your entire life on the short bus?
When facts that even fans of teams across the country know totally escape and you keep making the same errors, that is the only explanation for your comments.
Melvin was a bad manager. Here are the things we know. The Padres players didn’t respect him. He was so uninvolved that he didn’t even require them to practice. He made bad decisions that cost the team games, especially when it came to the bullpen and that was something he had done for years. The players were at the top of the charts in performance. The players called him out in their meeting in August and Preller handed the control to Flaherty for the last month. The owners talked to a large number of players before allowing him to interview with the Giants.
Those are the reasons he was allowed to interview with the Giants. The Padres ownership thought so little of him that they didn’t even ask for compensation. Just “you want him? You got him. Take him. ”
Your insistence that it was someone else responsible for Melvin’s bad managing flies in the face of all the facts we have learned.
BaseballisLife
Can my wife and I sit with you when we make our west coast swing next July-August? Lol.
This year we ended up pretty far down the line.
BaseballisLife
Balk, you don’t coach. If you did you would know that the manager’s main responsibilities are creating the team culture on and off the field, practicing the fundamentals regardless of level of play, and creating a culture of accountability.
The Padres players played well. They were undermined by a manager that failed to create that culture, that failed to create any accountability or gain respect of the players. A manager that made the same mistakes in game management that he had been making for the last decade.
Since the players did their part well, near the top in fact, that places the failures on the manager. There is no way to lie or spin your way out of that conclusion.
That after talking to players and staff the Padres ownership let Melvin go to a division rival speaks to that conclusion.
Balk
Baseballislife…don’t come at me acting like you know me kid, on top acting like you know anything about coaching. It’s pretty obvious you’re narrow minded. This, once again wasn’t just a managerial problem, it was a problem from top down along with players NOT doing well. How can you say players did well but lost for the whole season up until the last two weeks? Haha…You can write your novels and try to act like you’re smart at this or that but the bottom line no one is agreeing with you on this one. Maybe you can sit and have a pow wow with the rest of your friar fan base about what caused your teams demise but it’s a no brainer to people looking in. They flat out underperformed just like all the rest of the teams that didn’t make the postseason this year. So move along disgruntled kid. No one cares about what you have to say. Much less about your opinions of me. Lol
Pads Fans
Why would you lie about something like coaching when everyone that has coached at any level in any team sport knows that culture and getting the players to do their best is the managers main job?
You keep denying that, but its the manager’s job. If they can’t do that, the team gets a new manager. In high school, college, or pros. In every sport where managing is a paid position.
My daughter plays softball for a school that was in the Women’s College World Series this year. High level sports. They went through 2 managers in her 4 years on the team. Why? The first manager lost the respect of the team and failed to create a culture of winning. She didn’t hold her older players accountable. The team failed to reach the super regionals in her freshman year.
Anyone that ever coached knows that those are the manager’s responsibility.
Pads Fans
Mean but true BIL. You don’t hold any punches do you?
Balk
Pads Fan….I don’t have to lie to someone like you. Your whole take on this situation actually shows you have no clue about what you’re talking about. If you have to start insulting someone you don’t know and on top getting defensive about it, I think the person you need to be looking at is you in the mirror. Everyone except you two sees what you’re saying is a bunch of garbage. You both sound like a bunch of disgruntled kids that are mad your $250 million dollar team sucked AGAIN! Always looking for someone to blame for your failed season…hahaha! Get out of here. The one true stat that shows is that your precious Friars are still looking for a title. Maybe next year when it all unravels again you can blame your gm. Wait I know, maybe it was all the fans that caused them to lose! Hahaha
Balk
Wait, you said anyone who’s ever coached knows that it’s the managers responsibility and main job is to get the players to do their best? I thought your friars did the best according to your stats? So Melvin must’ve done his job right? Lol…I think you’re the one who has ZERO clue about managers. As for me, I coach for fun, I give back to my kids and my kids respect me and give me their best. Win or lose we don’t place blame, we get up and try again. In the end I’m brought back, year after year after year. So move along and keep placing blame kiddo! Haha
Balk
Baseballislife…how many times did your daddy chuck you out of the truck on your head for your smart mouth? I get you’re all upset about your Padres but it’s not my fault your team sucked again and the only thing you guys look for is who’s to blame. Melvin didn’t obviously like your GM micromanaging the game, but you can’t place all the blame on him for all the losing the padres did this year on him. Players have to show up and do what they are paid to do, period…and they didn’t…shoot for someone with a handle like yours you should already know that. Stop being so disgruntled and take off the blindfold.
websoulsurfer
See my post at the bottom of the page. Preller asked Melvin to step back from in-game decisions in early September and allow Flaherty, Christenson, and Shildt to handle those decisions. A very unusual move, but an obviously effective one. That something had changed was obvious. It was confirmed today that it was not Melvin pulling the strings in September.
Not a kid. I am a 44-year veteran of baseball. A player, college coach, amateur scout for two teams, and a partner in a baseball academy today. Everything you have said has been proven wrong by the facts. You can continue talking out your arse if you like, but not with my participation in the conversation. Good luck to you.
websoulsurfer
It could be on the players if they had underperformed as a whole, but they didn’t. They improved in every area over 2022. They were near the top in hitting, WAR, defense in all metrics, and #1 in pitching.
Did we WANT them to do better? Certainly. I for one expected a 5 WAR from Machado and at least a return to 2022 for Cronenworth, but it wasn’t to be. That does not mean that the team as a whole did not play very, very well.
As you pointed out the biggest issues were ones of game management from Melvin. How many games did he bring in a LH reliever to face a RHB or even two? Hoa many times did he leave a starter in not just a few pitches too long, but an inning or more too long? How many times did he leave in batters for a bad platoon matchup. Batters like Grisham, Nola, Odor, and others that were hitting poorly overall already were left in to face the bad end of a platoon matchup. It wouldn’t have taken many of those bad decision to torpedo the Padres season. Just 3 wins would have put them in the playoffs instead of the Diamondbacks. I can think of 9 or 10 games where the Padres lost because of the bullpen management issues alone.
websoulsurfer
Of course.
websoulsurfer
Not only is Preller still a Padre, but he is also being given free rein to sign the next manager without interference from Seidler.
websoulsurfer
Balk, If you did, you are a terrible coach. You seem to have no understanding of the responsibilities of a manager or even a coach. If you can’t get kids to want to play for you, to respect you, and to give their all for you and the team, you are not doing your job. It’s at the top of the heap in terms of your responsibility as a coach of any kind. You don’t understand that, so I seriously doubt you coach at any level. Certainly not succesfuly if you do.
The Padres players played well. Maybe not as well as some expected, but still in the top few teams overall in the league. Better in many categories than playoff teams.
The problem was the manager. HE is what made the difference between an 85-87 win team that is in the playoffs and the 82 wins they got. Lots of reasons including lack of creation of the team culture and bad game management, but the bottom line is that the difference maker was him and his decisions.
That is why the manager is being allowed to leave while still under contract. He failed to do his job. The team didn’t win even though the players performed at a high level.
Its highly likely that I have been coaching at the college level longer than you have been alive.
websoulsurfer
Balk, you keep trying to insult people that have called you out on not understanding the most important portions of a managers or coach’s job.
As I said, you are either a terrible coach or you have never coached.
websoulsurfer
You just said that you CAN’T get your kids to want to play for you. So you are lying about being a coach. I thought so.
Balk
I don’t care a thing about you or what you’re saying, you think you know if my kids want to play for me or not? You’re a joke at most and definitely not of baseball mind. On top you were no scout, haha. I never stated that Melvin wasn’t a part of the problem, what I’ve been stating is that whole team was off. When a team has to play the blame game it’s a joke, FROM the TOP down. Above most, I’ve done my share of playing college ball, coaching a Jr college, taking my kids to state championships, also brought a group of young boys to the youth classic in Peoria Arizona at your precious Padres training camp. One thing you got right, is Melvin is gone but I doubt he’s the sole problems for the continuous problems the Friars keep having year in and year out. Be willing to bet a wager the padres will be playing the blame game again soon. And one last thing, I’m not even a padres hater. I’ve always watch them play and have wanted them to win a title. Fans like you make an old man wonder. Haha
Balk
On my side of the world that would mean I can’t do the playing for them lil buddy. All my kids love playing for me. Come to my nice 2 1/2 acre property, hit the cage with my atec pitching machine, or condition in my baseball gym in the basement, or check their mph off the mound. I don’t have to justify my life to a kid like you. I know the game I played inside and out, and a winning culture starts with the player, and his teammates in the clubhouse. Bochy has three rings and a losing career record. He let the freaks and weirdos do their job. A bunch of misfits. He didn’t have to throw any spin to get those kids to play their position better, because it’s their job to give it their best. On and off the field…miss me with all the rest of the hoopla.
Balk
I keep trying to insult people? Hahaha, you need to read up. As I said you’re either a terrible baseball mind or know nothing about the sport, and it seems to me more people agree with what I’m saying than you. Look up. You’ll get it
Pads Fans
And yet you are obviously lying.
Balk
And yet you’re still delusional! Hahaha, move along now kid.
stymeedone
Padres will stay in house to save on salary, but will now conduct the required interviews, for eeoc purposes, before hiring.
Rocket32
Not much point in blocking it IMO. If he doesn’t truly want to be there managing the Padres, meaning he’d pass on the Giants opportunity himself, let him go, especially after just one disappointing season with him.
LordD99
More likely, the Padres know Preller and Melvin weren’t getting along, so this provides an easy exit. Preller wasn’t leaving, so Melvin did.
WiffleBall
Easy exit or not, they didn’t have to send him to a rival. Could have done the same deal with any other team in need of a manager. Red Sox, Mets, Guardians, even the more local Angels.
For the big money padres, they could have also easily just released him and eaten $4M if they thought he’d be making the Giants better.
dezpoo
Well Melvin might not have wanted to go to those other teams, you sort of also need his buy in to move to another team.
With the Padres slashing costs, this is easily a win for them since they’ll probably hire a brand new manager and save on money.
Pads Fans
Padres aren’t slashing costs. The MEDIA claimed they were. The owner said they weren’t. Who makes the decisions?
LLGiants64
Well, no, they the Padres couldn’t do it the same deal with “any other” team. First, a team has to want Melvin. The Giants clearly did.. I think the Giants got a good manager out of the deal. I do, however think that Melvin will have to clean up the coaching staff. He will bring a few of his own, so some people will be gone, or have minor league roles that the Giants pretend are a promotion.
kobo77
They also said Melvin wasn’t going anywhere…Pads will be watching payroll moving forward. Their all in approach with the money never made complete sense for the long run and other owners have come out and said exactly that. Now it’s time to monitor salaries even though they will still remain high.
Pads Fans
The ONLY owner that matters said the Padres were staying the course and would have a payroll in 2024 similar to 2023.
BrianStrowman9
The only people that know what the hell the padres are doing right now work for the ball club.
Makes no sense to slash with where they are but I doubt they go up to where they were in 2023. Thinking they’ll come in south of that. They have a tremendous amount of future payroll tied up already.
websoulsurfer
kobo, some things you need to know.
#1, the Padres made a profit this year and their revenue increased so much that they will be a revenue sharing payor, not a receiver.
#2, The Padres drew a record 3.27 million fans this season and season tickets are already sold out for 2024. San Diego fans will come to the games again in 2024.
#3, the team owner, Peter Seidler said that they would have a payroll next season that was about the same. That they were “staying the course”. Other owners might not LIKE the Padres spending, but the Padres owners like the results of the spending.
With all the players hitting FA, the Padres will have about $90 million to spend to get back to last years level of spending. They are favorites to land several big FA and they are almost certain to extend several current Padres.
websoulsurfer
The owner said they would. He makes the decisions and cuts the checks. That is not a hard thing to call.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Makes sense. I wonder who SD will go with now.
solaris602
Mike Schildt. He’s already in the organization.
Smelly_Cobb
Probably Shildt or Flaherty
99socalfrc
Preller gonna manage the team too…………
Smelly_Cobb
I’ve been saying for a while, Preller needs to pull up his P.E. shorts and just hop in the dugout. He obviously thinks he can manage the team.
Brew’88
Someone needs to manage the team, Melvin didn’t try too hard
Pete'sView
Though it was said that Preller micro managed over Melvin’s shoulder till Melvin just gave up.
Brew88
Gave up on the team. Has that ever happened?
Pete'sView
Brew88 — Gave up fighting with Preller since Preller scripted the games.
Brew88
We all struggle with supervisors or leadership in our jobs. But that’s no excuse to give up on his job duties. And having played the game, there is no chance Preller was making decisions on BP late in games.
Pads Fans
Melvin said he was taking a hands-off approach to managing. That he was going to let a veteran team make the calls. He didn’t even mandate practice. What kind of manager pulls that garbage?
He had so little respect among the players that Hader refused to pitch 4 outs, Grisham refused to come in as a defensive replacement, and multiple starting pitchers refused to pitch to anyone but Nola to start the season. He had no control of the team.
For months he never once spoke to a player in the dugout. I sit with a great view of the dugout 81 games per season and all I ever saw was him standing on the steps. Occasionally talking to Christenson or one of the other coaches. When players were talked to before an at bat or an inning it was usually Flaherty or Niebla. Occasionally Shildt or Coolbaugh. Good managers actually TALK to their players.
The Giants just got rid of one manager with a hands off approach in Kapler. Now they get another. Good luck to them.
Pads Fans
Both Melvin AND Preller said Preller had no input on the lineup or in-game decisions.
Pete'sView
Well, you’ve obviously watched the Padres closer than I have (I’m a Giants fan), so I’ll accept your version. Nevertheless, something aberrant was going on between Melvin and Preller because in the past Melvin has nothing but kudos wherever he goes.
I guess we’ll see what happens in SD and SF this coming season, but with the talent the Pads have, they should be dangerous.
mab51357
Always has. Lol
saavedra
Preller will promote himself as M/GM/VP of the team. He will also hire a former ranger to be the SGBO (Scapegoat of baseball operations) and fire him when he inevitably fails again.
VegasSDfan
No loss for the Padres, the team actually just improved with Melvin leaving.
saavedra
The loss is not firing Preller.
This one belongs to the Reds
Someone cheap.
NerdSurfer
Dodgers will let Dave Roberts “talk” to the Padres
Balk
Good now go get some talent
DarkSide830
3 postseason series wins in 18 full seasons.
99socalfrc
8 trips to the post season in 18 seasons
6 times his team won 90+ games
Won 89+ games with 4 different franchises
Took 3 different franchisees to the post season
People who doubt this guy need to get a grip.
Hemlock
The Chicago White Sox have 0 postseason series wins in the last 18 seasons
The Cincinnati Reds have 0 postseason series wins in the last 18 seasons
The Los Angeles Angels have 1 postseason series wins in the last 18 seasons
I got tired of looking. You get the point—a lot of teams would take 3. Three in one season (LDS,LCS,WS) would be a big deal.
Pads Fans
Hemlock,
The White Sox won a World Series in the last 18 seasons.
The Angels made the ALCS twice in the last 18 seasons.
Only the Reds didn’t win a series in the playoffs.
Hemlock
> The White Sox won a World Series
> in the last 18 seasons.
Are you sure about that?
CHISOX
Won WS here
2005
These years below they didn’t win it. Count those up.
2006
2007
2008 #3
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013 #8
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018 #13
2019
2020
2021
2022
2023 #18
LAA reached the ALCS in 2005 and 2009. 2006 onwards is the past 18 years. See above. ONE win only.
Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.
Pads Fans
Bob Melvin’s managing career.
baseball-reference.com/managers/melvibo01.shtml
Thanks for playing. Better luck next time,
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Neither of you are clearly right or wrong about the WS winning a WS in the past 18 years cuz it’s how you define it.
Since no son has yet won the 2023 Word Series you could say 2005 was with 18 of the last complete WS. Or if the 2005 WS ended before 10-24-2023 then you could say they did not. Google the date of the last game of the 2005 WS if you really care who is right or wrong.
websoulsurfer
October 26th in Houston. One of the great pitching duels. It was a shutout by both pitching staffs going into the 8th inning.
Hemlock
Good grief you people find anything and everything to nitpick over
The point was that he is a good manager and you should not base his success on the random chance of the postseason. 3 series wins is more than at least those three teams and probably more. Now, leave me alone and stop replying to this
Pads Fans
You want people to stop replying to you when you were shown to be wrong?
Hemlock
You were wrong and I showed you.
You replied with a link to Bob Melvin.
WTF?
Stop wasting my time.
BaseballisLife
I take it you were there. That was my wife and my 15th straight world series. Great series. Took our oldest 2 kids to it when they were in college. Now they have teenagers of their own. Hoping we get to take our 2 oldest grandkids this year.
BaseballisLife
2023 is not over. You can’t include it.
Hemlock
Yes, I forgot. The Chicago White Sox might still win the World Series in 2023.
??????????
Pads Fans
You can’t count 2023 in the LAST 18 seasons since its not complete.
2004 to 2021 was 18 seasons. Melvin had 18 seasons as a manager before coming to the Padres for the 2022 season and one post season series win in that 18 seasons. His career as a manager actually started in 2003, but using his 18 seasons as a manager prior to the Padres throws your numbers off even further.
Pads Fans
2 of those were with the Padres in 2022.
Big whiffa
I get both sides. I’d love him as manager of reds ! I also love what SD is doing ! That is surely a tough gig for a traditional baseball manager. So seems like a win win to me
SFGLifer
Well that escalated quicky
Ban Jacob Nix. He knew Lindsey Hill was lying.
So what’s the trade compensation?
Replacement idea: Mark Pryor or Skip Shumaker
boachthecoach
Compensation is that giants are taking his $4M salary off your hands, would’ve had to eat that money if he was fired
scottn59c
A Bob Melvin Bob-blehead (see what I did there?)
Jean Matrac
The compensation is equal to what the Padres sent to the A’s when Melvin was still under contract with them.
JRamHOF
Mob Belvin
amk1920
No other GM in sports would get to pick 5 coaches. But for the Circus Ring Leader AJ Preller 5th time is the charm!
Brew’88
Seidler picked Melvin, not Preller
99socalfrc
LOL, of course, because it’s never AJ’s fault.
Brew’88
nah, gg. AJ had primary responsibility over the hiring of his 4 managers (Tingler etc…), upper management/ownership decided to take over the task and hired Melvin. My guess is that they will have a heavy hand in selecting the 2024 manager as well.
99socalfrc
Preller should have been fired after Tingler anyway, so what does it really matter.
Also the number of managers the team has quit on since Machado and Tatis showed up is getting hard to keep track of, so there’s that.
Brew’88
Melvin’s continuous high praise of Tatis all year long contradicts your logic
99socalfrc
Did the team with Machado and Tatis not quit on Green?
Did the team with Machado and Tatis not quit on Tingler?
Melvin praising Tatis doesn’t change anything in that regard.
Brew’88
Not if you consider facts. Green’s last year as manager (2019) barely overlapped Tatis (who played for 2 months under Green at age 20 with an OPS+ of 155), And you’re accusing him of quitting on him? Green (and Tingler) also openly praised Tatis.
mab51357
Think they might be a big part of the problem
99socalfrc
I’m not accusing Tatis specifically of quitting on anyone, I’m pointing out that since 2019 you have a pattern of the team quitting on managers, it is well documented. That the team does not recognize this and fix whatever is broken is exactly why the Padres can’t have nice things nor create a winning culture. They stick their head in the sand, sign up some more big names and assume “it will be different this time”
Pads Fans
Preller wanted Shildt. He also hired Flaherty even though Melvin wanted Christenson.
Now Preller gets both Shildt and Flaherty is he wants.
Pads Fans
Green managed Tatis for just a couple months of his rookie season and produced a 4,2 WAR and 155 OPS+. Green praised his play from springing training all the way through his injury.
audacy.com/973thefansd/blogs/jim-russell/andy-gree… About the 8:30 mark.
Tatis put up a 6.6 WAR and a 166 OPS+ for Tingler while playing through a major injury to his shoulder. If that is quitting, the Padres need 8 more quitters just like that.
All throughout the 2021 season he praised Tatis.
padres.mlblogs.com/tinglers-thoughts-on-tatis-jr-c…
You can keep on hating on Preller and the Padres. That is your choice. You will continue to be wrong. That is reality.
Jean Matrac
Brew’88, If that’s the case, that Seidler hired Melvin, when Preller preferred someone else, then that’s a problem. The owner needs to let the PBO make personnel decisions. The only time a owner should be involved is when the PBO wan to sign someone to a 10+ year/$200M+ contract, and that should be only for approval for financial reasons. Otherwise, what you have is a meddling owner, which seldom is a good thing.
websoulsurfer
Seidler had laid down big money on player payroll and intended to spend even more. He decided that having a big-name manager in the clubhouse was more important than having the GM choose his 3rd manager. Bottom line was he thought hiring Melvin would sell more tickets than Preller’s choices of Shildt who had just been fired by the Cardinals or Flaherty who had never managed before. Never forget that baseball is a business and things like that do play into the decisions made.
Jean Matrac
websoulsurfer, Again, an owner that wants a well-run team needs to leave it to the baseball people. An owner that hires a manager over the head of the PBO because of the perception that a big-name manager will sell more tickets is counter-productive. That’s basically the definition of a meddling owner. There’s no point in having a PBO, if he isn’t given the power to run the team short of approval for mega-deals.
I think Preller has made some great moves, and some questionable ones. But I would think more highly of him, if it’s as you paint it, that he’s trying to run a team with a meddling owner involved.
websoulsurfer
Melvin was counter productive. You got that right.
Jean Matrac
Good job missing the point.
Brew’88
@ Jean. “Meddling” might not be the term I’d use and my post might have been misleading. Melvin was Seidlers recommendation to Preller – he thought it would be a good idea to bring in a more experienced manager after Green and Tingler, especially with all the star power on the Pads. Preller basically agreed it was time for a more seasoned guy, and he stood behind the signing of Melvin. The open encouragement by Seidler was taken by the media that Melvin was his guy, but I never heard of any meddling or strong disagreement among leadership.
Pads Fans
I agree that it was a problem. After two straight first time managers, Seidler and Greupner made a business decision to hire Melvin when they started spending big money and it backfired. Hopefully Preller gets to make a baseball decision and bring in the guy he wanted all along without interference from ownership.
Pads Fans
Web, Jean is right that its a problem when the owner is stepping into baseball operations to make coaching hires.
mab51357
Hopefully for Pad fans Schildt will be the answer. If it doesn’t help at least Preller might finally be gone. Although he could shock us all and not promote Schildt. Kind of unpredictable. I wish good luck to Padre fans as all they want is a great team to root for.
Pads Fans
Let’s be honest here. A suggestion from the owner is the same as an order. Preller was known to want Shildt, but he carried the stigma of just having been fired so Seidler felt the guy that would sell more tickets was Melvin.
websoulsurfer
Bingo..
VegasSDfan
Huge mistake not going with Bochy vs Melvin
Pads Fans
Padres never had that choice. Bochy was not interviewing after 2021. He didn’t until after the 2022 season.
Samuel
amk1920;
MANAGERS.
Baseball has managers.
Brew’88
and the difference is that managers have to wear the ridiculous team uniforms, coaches (football, basketball, hockey) don’t.
But I think they should to spice things up.
mlb fan
They must have settled compensation to S.D beforehand and now A.J Prellar is looking for someone subservient that he can work with and walk all over.
amk1920
Not giving comp to Athletics to hire Melvin then asking for comp from the Giants is typical classless thing Preller would do
Brew’88
Melvin’s statement at end of season that he’s looking forward to managing Pads in 2024 was rather disingenuous..
mab51357
As is the former managers praise of Tatis. They aren’t going to say how they feel about him in public. And we don’t know what they really think in private.
dezpoo
What’s he going to say, he hated managing? He was still under contract for a year LOL
Hemlock
> And we don’t know what they really
> think in private.
I captured these thoughts of former SD Padres managers using my telepathy powers—
“Mr Propeller Head, MR PROPELLER HEAD!!! would you stop bothering me and let me do my job??”
“I hate working here.”
“Tatis, you juicer. Thanks a lot. HOW are we supposed to win now??”
“Tatis, one more strike for juice and I’m gonna wave…BUH-BYE!”
“Ahh that crap felt realllly good. Wait, when did I eat corn?”
websoulsurfer
Are you a member of Q too? You seem to think everyone is lying all the time.
boachthecoach
Compensation is that giants are taking his $4M salary off your hands, would’ve had to eat that money if he was fired
Pads Fans
Preller is looking for someone that will actually do the job, unlike Melvin. Shildt is the most likely guy.
Sunday Lasagna
The level of ego among players in SF should be somewhat similar to Oak. From the 107 win team to this years team the buy in from players always seemed to be there in SF
SD?…..whoever becomes the manager there will be dealing with at least a few me first attitudes.
drasco036
How many managers have the Padres had under Preller now?
solaris602
5 just since 2019 which is completely insane.
Hemlock
> 5 just since 2019 which is
“thorough”
Brew’88
Black last managed the Padres in 2015. Since 2019 there have been 3 managers including Melvin. The Padres have had 4 managers over the past 15 years
Jean Matrac
Brew’88, Looking at it another way they’ve also had 3 managers in the last 5 years.
Brew’88
and in a month it will be 4 managers in the last 5.1 years
BaseballisLife
Green was there 4 seasons. Tingler 2. Melvin 2.
I would count that as 4 managers in 9 seasons.
Sunday Lasagna
Black, Murphy, Green, Tingler and Melvin? He inherited Black so maybe he doesn’t count?
Brew88
I wouldnt include interims in the tally
padrepapi
yeah that is like saying the Giants have had 3 managers in the past 2 months.
justbaseballfan
Green tingler and Melvin. Others were just fill in the gaps when managers failed.
mab51357
Agree. I’ve been saying this for 2 years.
Niekro floater
Another reason to get rid of Preller, can’t even keep mngr frm interdivision rival. There clashes probably helped Melvin make his decision. Let’s see how Pads FO spins this mess. Who’s SDs nxt mngr ? Think Kapler surfs … musical chairs.
justbaseballfan
Lol. He wouldn’t be going if padres didn’t want him to be leaving
James Midway
100% not Kapler he is a clown. It should be Schildt.
Pete'sView
Kapler in no way is a “clown.” Get a grip.
kobo77
Kaplar is not a Manager. Great baseball mind that deserves a front office job of some sort but keep him away from managing players in the clubhouse.
mab51357
The egos of some Pads would eat Kapler alive. He would have no clue as to how to deal with the Big 3 (am)egos. It’ll be a very tough job for whomever is hired.
mlb fan
Bob Melvin will still be there in S.F when Farhan Zaidi is long gone.
99socalfrc
This is exactly what I said when the Padres hired him with regard to Preller.
Apparently the hold these front office guys have on ownership is real.
dezpoo
One can only hope
kobo77
Don’t need hope when Posey has a big say so from here out!
Hired Gun 23
Good guy, best of luck, Bo Mel…
slidepiece
Good deal for both SF and SD
SoCalHardBall
Man, he must of hated Preller and all the divas so much hes taking on a less talented team. Good for him, I guess.
SFBay314
AMAZING, Now i can actually listen to the post-game press conference
That’s an upgrade, contract lines up with Farhan’s could be 1 year deal, Way better than Gabriel.
mab51357
Lol. I know what you mean.
James Midway
Now he can take the worst Giants relievers and put them in high leverage situations.
Reynaldo
Bob Melvin doesn’t mind being branded as a quitter? He’s lost the respect of everyone in the Padres clubhouse.
zacharydmanprin
He did the same in Oakland. Quit on the team with 6 weeks to play. Losing record in the second half and 13-17 down the stretch. Finished 9 games back.
He can’t manage a pitching staff and loves to bunt when there’s no call for a sacrifice. Bullpen management is a joke and he’s terrible under pressure. Post season failures all come down to his bullpen usage.
mab51357
Sounds like you should be the Pads’ new manager. Good luck with the egos.
Pads Fans
You apparently believe you should be the Padres owner. Good luck with your own ego.
mab51357
Could have been the other way around I think
Reynaldo
He’s under contract for 1 more year; if Padres didn’t want him, they could have just fired him.
getrealgone2
The Padres revolving door of managers continues unabated.
Brew’88
Yankees had 20 managers in 23 years under Steinbrenner, though 5 were the same human
Pete'sView
The only Yankee I ever loved, Billy Martin. He gave me a ball at Yankee Stadium. Then later in the day as he boarded the Yankee bus, he signed it for me. Years later (as an adult) in Scottsdale Spring Training when he was managing, I bumped into him on the way into an exhibition game. Walked with him and thanked him for the ball, the signing and the memories.
Brew88
The all time love hate relationship. Man those were the days!
Oldguy58
SD can have David Ross if they want him. Please
♪
Very fortunate for Melvin that he’s able to manage the Giants immediately after being part of an extremely disappointing season with the Padres. Can’t ask for much more than that.
SFBay314
Whats really interesting is Gabe was fired on 9/30/23 when the Padres were in town. One can only wonder what/if conversations happened that during that series to put this all in motion.
Oh ya, we also ran the best manager in franchise history out of town over analytics and he is STILL the best manager for the job.
Ooops! But the payroll is lower 🙂 Farhan is a budgeting trick
BOCHY + PAYROLL = WORLD SERIES
bag o ballz
it wasn’t over analytics, it was actually the opposite. I think ownership really got ticked off when the historically bad skid of road losses brought a team that 2/3 the way through the season had nearly a 90% chance of making the playoffs out of it and kapler didn’t call a single meeting and allowed bad behavior to take over the clubhouse until complaints started leaking via the players.
LetsGoDodgers
I believe that Kapler was fired the day of the 1st game of the Dodger series.
THEY LIVE!!!
Correct
ChuckyNJ
Uhhh, SF gave Kapler the sack on 9/29 when the Dodgers were in town. Giants hosted Padres before Kapler was fired.
Pete'sView
SFBay314 — Your Bochy narrative is not accurate. He was not “run out of town.” There’s ample evidence and even recent articles about why and how he left. Get it right.
99socalfrc
How bad is it inside the Padres organization that you have that much talent and a guy like Melvin just walks? It’s a pretty big statement that stuff is so broken in there.
Brew’88
Many of the fans in San Diego are of a different opinion that it was amazing the team somehow won 82 games despite Melba toast asleep at the wheel
99socalfrc
Doubtful. Most of them seem to have pretty well figured out that Preller is the problem. Must be the 10 years they have spent watching him operate the team like he is playing MLB The Show.
foppert1
It’s almost like Bob was swinging the bat and throwing the pitches in all those close game losses.
99socalfrc
Don’t forget how Bob signed Nelson Cruz (oh look another former Ranger) and Matt Carpenter to form the most feared DH platoon in men’s league history. Totally Bob’s fault…..
Brew’88
@ foppert. No doubt it’s mostly on the players (and significant injuries) that they didn’t make the playoffs, but Melvin sure didn’t help with his pre-scripted game plan that didn’t change during the game regardless of the opposition matchups. He was outmaneuvered badly by opposing coaches. Melvin didn’t want to rock the boat so he napped at the helm. Didn’t handle the stress of high expectations well.
foppert1
I can totally understand not wanting to rock the Padre boat. I’d almost suggest that with the number of huge lifetime contracts on board, not rocking the boat is a prerequisite for that clubhouse.
I’ve got the Padres as the toughest managing gig in the game. A highly intellectual non people person above, and a host of egos just waiting to be hurt below you. Got to be easier jobs out there.
Brew’88
agree it’s a difficult job with the high expectations. Melvin wasn’t up to it, in fact he hid from it.
No doubt Hader was also a challenge given his request to be used only in the 9th and only for 1 inning and rarely in back to backs. Melvin avoided confrontation and hoped the team was good enough to get by without having to manage.
But his management of the entire BP was bizarro, ignoring evolving game situations in general. He’d pre-script timing and sequence of RPs innings 6-9 and hold to the script regardless of matchups and whether RP was getting bombed. Cost some games there and perplexed a lot of knowledgeable fans.
Pete'sView
Ah, no. Preller, by all accounts, was on Melvin’s back micro managing until Melvin just took his hands off completely. Preller managed “The Script.”
mab51357
Lol. Nice one
Brew88
You really believe Preller was managing when relievers entered or were pulled from games?
mab51357
Exactly and very well put.
Pads Fans
What Melvin wasn’t doing is actually managing the team.
Pads Fans
Padres finished 17th at DH in WAR, 14th in OPS+ and wRC+. What they were was cheap. Who else would you have signed Mr Sub Genius 99?
Samuel
Brew88;
The Athletic has had in depth articles for years on Preller micromanaging the Padres and overruling his manager. The highly paid players don’t like something – they, or their agent, contacts Preller. The manager is then told what to do.
This years article was just one in a series. The same thing over and over with multiple managers….so don’t dump on Melvin like you excuse makers did the last 3 managers.
I hope they give the managers job to Mike Schildt. Now THAT should be fun to watch. Fireworks galore.
Brew88
Some GMs maintain a relationship with players of course. Not such a bad thing unless the manager is overly sensitive and thin skinned.
But that wasn’t the context of my point at all. Preller doesn’t tell the manager when to remove a SP during a game, or insert and rotate RPs in game time match ups. Right?
websoulsurfer
Just the opposite. Other than setting expectations. Preller kept his hands out of lineups and in-game decisions. Those were 100% Melvin’s call.
Preller is old school. Comes from a scouting background, which is why he is so good at recognizing talent. He works extremely hard and expects everyone around him to work equally as hard.
Melvin was apparently not that kind of guy since he said early in the season that he was going to be taking a “hands-off approach” to managing the team. That combined with his terrible game management cost the Padres wins.
mab51357
Manager after manager after manager. No way it could be the players. Lmao
reflect
Wasn’t the entire internet reporting that Giants wanted a young modern manager?
mlb fan
“Young modern manager)..I don’t read the internet much, but wouldn’t the guy they just FIRED, be considered a “young modern manager”?..Kapler even had the requisite SJW credentials.
HankAaronDidGreenies
SJW credentials?
Bart Harley Jarvis
San Jose Waffles. It’s a popular breakfast spot in the Bay Area.
Brew’88
yo mo manager yo no mo
yo mo manager Bo no so
foppert1
It was reported that they were interviewing a lot of young modern managers. As far as I’m aware, Zaidi has only publicly stipulated good with young players and attractive to FAs.
Pete'sView
The one candidate I would have liked to have known more about was Donnie Ecker. Is he ready to be a ML manager? Might he be the Giants new bench coach?
foppert1
Same. For the some weird reason lacking any logic, I’m a bit disappointed he didn’t get to interview. Ecker becomes unavailable for another 2 weeks and then this news comes out. I wonder if Bob needed a concrete decision before then
Pads Fans
Williams will probably be the new bench coach.
Poolhalljunkies
This reminds me of when Farrell went from Toronto to Boston
HankAaronDidGreenies
AARP manager who has never been to a WS and has managed multiple 100 loss teams. What a great hire!
Giants never should have gotten rid of Sabean.
Pete'sView
HankAaronDidGreenies — I guess you weren’t around for those last few Sabean years.
HankAaronDidGreenies
Last few years he won 3 WS titles. Awful, just awful general managing.
Geebs
Bruce Botchy 2.0 for the Giants, not a bad outcome.
Hired Gun 23
Bo Mel is no Bochy…not even close.
Brew’88
Bochy’s a great in-game manager. Melvin’s not. But he’s a nice guy – players like him.
hogansgoat
I agree with all the anti Melvin posts. He’s not a good manager/leader so the Giants get what they deserve.
Grumpofm
I understand firing a manager when the team underperforms expectations, even though that didn’t happen here. Seems strange to just let them leave to another team in your division. Seems like the GM is the problem in Diego. Revolving door of managers, and bad trades.
TheWomanWithTheGlassEye
It’s actually smart for SD to do so because they aren’t on the hook for his salary. They can say Melvin is the one that left and they can move on to someone else.
Samuel
Sure….
A team with a $175m payroll – much of it clearly overpays – and they need to worry about $4m for a manager.
LOL
TheWomanWithTheGlassEye
Then why didn’t they just fire him and eat the money?
HalosHeavenJJ
The last time SF hired a SD manager it worked out quite well for them.
Wren
weird. quick trade dave roberts to some team.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Madres job just opened up. A hoco….
Butter Biscuits
Preller got what he wanted without having to fire him
mab51357
And what Preller wants has been working so well for years
Brew88
Certainly been true for developing farm system
Samuel
Brew88;
Tell us 5 decent players on the Padres roster that came through their farm system.
They have to trade multiple prospects away for overpaid veterans whose teams want to dump their salaries because they don’t know how to develop players. Furthermore, most of the young players they trade away that became decent thanks to their new teams working with them, ever amount to anything like the stars they were projected to be. Decent, sure. But hardly stars.
Brew88
Hmmmm, where do I begin…The farm brought them Soto, Snell, Darvish, No no Joe, Campusano, Cronenworth, etc…
mab51357
Well that is a great way to spin it. Very creative and outside the box. Hadn’t looked at it that way. I like it.
Pads Fans
Preller’s plan after 2015 worked. What didn’t work was Seidler’s choice for a manager. Have to wonder what would have happened if Preller got to hire his choice in 2021. Would the team have done better with Shildt?
BaseballisLife
Shildt is a winner who focused on team culture and on holding players accountable. His players respected him and never gave up. Players like Molina and Wainwright were ticked when he was let go and the Cardinals have been a mess ever since. The Padres could do much worse.
Brew’88
In addition to Shildt and Flaherty, the SD UT offered up a truly bizarre list of other candidates this morning, including Buck and Moises.
Pads Fans
Padres will have to make some other interviews, but its a fait accompli that Shildt or Flaherty will be the next manager.
pirateking24
Wait…. I thought the Giants were going to hire that woman for the manager position??
This one belongs to the Reds
The Padres probably will since they can pay less than for a guy.
Missippi_has_3Ks
Melvin couldn’t stand coaching those clowns down in San Diego. The machados and sotos seem like complete ignorant bafoons. This confirms what I suspected
CNichols
It’s not the players, it’s the GM who he can’t stand
Missippi_has_3Ks
The padres seem like dealing with a class full of substitute students. Out of control and insufferable
Brew’88
what is a substitute student?
Missippi_has_3Ks
Students from a substitute teachers POV
Zombie Bukowski
Melvin checked out probably 2 months into the season. He had to go and if you’re a padre fan this is an overall blessing for the organization. It is funny now to read the quotes by both Melvin and AJ immediately after the season “we’re friends”.
Going into the last week of the season the Padres were 0-12 in extra inning games and one of the worst teams statistically hitting w/RiSP. If they split the extra inning games they’re in the playoffs.
NLCS last season.
3rd overall in the NL for run differential this season.
5 guys currently in the Top 100 (so much for the “AJ destroyed their farm system” narrative after the Soto trade) and they’re going to have 2-3 more players joining next season.
mab51357
You guys will be using the run differential excuse all winter. They didn’t score all those runs at the crucial times. Un-clutch players.
Brew88
Lack of clutch hitting AND poor BP management
Zombie Bukowski
You can argue or try to minimize all it all you like but it still stands. The braves and dodgers didn’t luck into that being #1 and #2. Those are good teams.
Pads Fans
Mab they were league average with RISP. That is the opposite of un-clutch.
the voice inside my head
I’d suggest that the RISP problem contributed to the dismal extra-innings record in 2023. Even given a runner on second to start each extra inning, Padres hitters treated the task of getting that runner home like a AP Calculus exam.
Pads Fans
Padres needed 3 more wins to make the playoffs. Less if they won more of the 14 extra inning or 1 run games against teams that made the playoffs.
Padres had a 100 OPS+ and 99 wRC+ with RISP. They were league average. Early in the season they were bad, but not for the whole season.
Dogham
Bob Melvin’s west coast tour continues.
the voice inside my head
If things don’t work out in SF, there’s always the Angels.
Candlestoked
I’m interested to see if Melvin brings any coaches with him. Hoping for improvement, not just change.
Brew’88
Williams goes with him
mab51357
I hope he brings Williams. Forever Giant. And he doesn’t like egos either.
Brew88
Manny raves about him
the voice inside my head
Ryan Christenson has long been of BoMel’s most trusted assistants. I expect him to follow Melvin to SF and become his bench coach.
Given his own deep ties to the Giants, if Matt Williams is healthy, he likely follows BoMel as well.
Ryan Flaherty I think stays with the Padres if another team doesn’t hire him as manager at the big-league or AAA level.
Mike Shildt becomes the prohibitive favorite to become the new Padres skipper — a solid move in my mind.
Pads Fans
When hired, Melvin insisted that Christenson be named his associate manager. Preller insisted on Flaherty being the bench coach. Which of the two do you think made most of the decisions late in the season?
Brew’88
Also, lets be honest the schedule in the 2nd half of September was all fluff teams (plus the spiraling Giants)
Pads Fans
Padres did just as well in the first half of September when they were playing the Phillies, Dodgers, and Astros.
Brew’88
Wish that were true, but uhuh. They went 4-5 in those 9 games against PHI, LA, Hou. The rest of the month they went 15-2 against Rockies, Oakland As, White Sox, Cardinals and Giants
THEY LIVE!!!
Hopefully San Diego can poach Dave Roberts from the Dodgers.
TheWomanWithTheGlassEye
So we can watch the Pads blow it in the playoffs?
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Yes
Datashark
I bet Dusty Baker will join Padres – was hoping for a reunion with Giants.
Pete'sView
Datashark — Dusty is gonna retire, just watch his exit interview last night.
mab51357
Retiring is my guess.
taito2000
This hiring actually makes me want to watch the Giants more often. I did try in past seasons, but now I’ll really try.
Pads Fans
You are a Dodger fan looking to see more Giants losses?
BaseballisLife
Lmao. That hilarious.
Tom the ray fan
Preller throwing all the blame on another manager while his ego continues to run the Padres, a team that has never spent like they have now, into modern mediocrity.
Pads Fans
Preller threw no blame on Melvin. He said he had a good relationship with him and was looking forward to him managing the Padres in 2024. Facts are not your friend.
tbob1
Ozzie Guillen or Bengi Gil for SD coach ! We need a Latin Leader !! Either or both!! Let’s go Preller!!
the voice inside my head
What the Padres need is a motivator and someone with a proven track record of success at the major league level — not someone hired solely on race or ethnicity.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I want to see Ozzie and AJ at the same presser.
the voice inside my head
Erik Greupner and Peter Seidler need to pull the trigger now and fire Preller while they can still have multiple baseball ops executive candidates to choose from. It makes no sense to continue the field manager carousel as long as the front office is failing to acquire and develop talent that can stay healthy and produce both offensively and defensively. Much like Kevin Towers, too many Padres fans are willing to give Preller a pass and accept persistent mediocrity simply because he emptied the farm system and a fleet of Brinks trucks to lure some big names to San Diego.
Another two years of 82-80 in the NL West is going to see the attendance numbers plummet, even as the next media right deal comes in lower than expected.
Pads Fans
2024 season tickets are SOLD OUT. Attendance will be great in 2024. The team will add some great FA and extend some exciting players. Shildt will take them to the playoffs and Preller will remain GM.
What Seidler and Greupner know that you don’t is that Melvin was NOT Preller’s choice. It was Seidler’s. Shildt was who Preller wanted after 2021. Now Preller gets to have his man. .
implant
Wasnt the guy before Melvin Prellers choice?
BaseballisLife
The Padres are guaranteed higher attendance than the Rays, Marlins or Diamondbacks drew this season.
websoulsurfer
It’s sad that neither the Rays nor Dbacks sold out their home games in the playoffs.
Brew88
Seidler promotes stability, long term loyalty, refreshing in an over-reactive blow-it-up world. There is discussion of bringing in a GM, but retaining Preller in his other higher role as president. I like that idea
Pads Fans
Kim Ng would be a perfect fit but I doubt she wants a role as a GM instead of POBO
BaseballisLife
She turned down having a POBO installed over her head so its doubtful she would take a GM job.
Samuel
Brew88;
Mr. Seidler promotes entertainment. The ‘Keeping Up With The Padres’ each off-season as well as blockbuster moves made in-season is hardly “stability”.
It’s a team made for the social media age; one that generates clicks and monetizes the clicks.
Brew88
Yeah that too. Acee and MLBTR can’t stop writing about em, the clicks oh the clicks. Long term contracts and loyalties, to players to admin to the farm, Seidlers total commitment of $ to try to win for decades to come. He’s having fun its entertainment and the waiting list for season tickets keeps growing. SD fans are really fortunate.
Pads Fans
2nd best news I got today. Buh bye Mr. Hands-Off Approach.
Pads Fans
These lines could be attributed to Melvin and Padres players. I fixed it for you.
Melvin’s self described hands-off managerial style was starting to seem more like a detriment than a plus. Several Padres players, either on or off the record, felt the club was somewhat directionless, with Juan Soto outright stating he felt “we have to make some big changes in here to create that winning culture”
Deleted Userr
Thanks for the hard hitting analysis Mr. Insider!
99socalfrc
LOL it’s comedy. This Pads Fan is a real legend in his own mind. I’m still betting that he is actually Richard “Dick” Burns from years ago on the Uncensored Facebook page.
Deleted Userr
He is. He claimed on the MLB boards as PadsFans and on Friarhood under his real name that he first met his so-called wife at a Padre game, specifically the one where AJ Burnett no hit the Padres while also walking 9 batters.
I, too, have witnesses a no-hitter in person. Specifically Tim Lincecum’s first no-hitter. He threw 148 pitches and Everth Cabrera managed to make it to 3rd base in the 6th or 7th inning.
BaseballisLife
What was your best news today?
Pads Fans
Best news? I signed a $74 million contract with my dream client. Over the next 2 years will be creating AI based text and voice chat for internal clients for a healthcare company. The company is owned by the guy I think may be the next Angels owner While we were negotiating the contract he liked going to a park near his office and watching the little league teams play. Got to love a guy like that.
Now I have to go hire 12-13 more people to the development staff and several more in the customer service department. Several of the engineers that have been with me for years just became millionaires. I absolutely love that!! They deserve it.
Yesterday was a great day for me.
Jordan 5
Tells you how much chaos and drama that padres team is. Lol. Hope they both suck.
CrikesAlready
What I heard on the radio was that Bruce Bochy checked into that and decided against rejoining the Padres. I don’t see how anybody goes into this managerial position in San Diego blindly. Although, we must admit, a couple of million dollars ($285,000 after state and local taxes) might be a good payday for somebody and be worth putting up with AJ Preller, who resides on the autism spectrum, getting all up into his business.
Pads Fans
When Bochy started interviewing for a manager’s position after the 2022 season the Padres had already hired Melvin a year earlier and made it to the NLCS. They didn’t have an opening so Bochy was never interviewed or contacted.
CrikesAlready
The was going back to when Melvin was originally hired. I’m sure you know Bruce Bochy has a lot of ties to San Diego and I believe he still owned a home here at the time they got rid of Tingler.
I don’t recall how proactive they were but it does sound like the Padres were trying to tempt him out of retirement or at least see if he might be kind of sort of interested.
Pads Fans
Fowler contacted Bochy in 2020 and Bochy said he wasn’t ready to start thinking about coming out of retirement. Melvin was hired after the 2021 season. Bochy didn’t decide to come out of retirement until after the 2022 season. Bochy lives in Nashville. Has since he retired in 2019. The Padres never had an opportunity to hire Bochy.
DanUgglasRing
I’m sure Shohei has already booked his flight to SF over this wonderful news. 64 win season incoming.
stuarthunky
Hire Buck showalter!
Gwynning
I wouldn’t even hire Buck to be the new San Diego MLS team’s waterboy…
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Gwynning
I would hire him to be the waterboy:
But only so he can be renamed:
Buck Show-water
Brew88
Haha.
Pads Fans
That is a good one. Buck Show-water,
Citizen1
Pending an mri on the knee for doing a lot of walking – arguing with umpires and calls to the bullpen on bad pitching. Don’t need another Correa near signing here.
SupremeZeus
Fire Preller. Eat at Arby’s.
Reynaldo
Expect loud boos from Padres fans whenever the Giants come to town; Melvin walked out on this team despite being under contract. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side. He can be rest assured that this will be his last gig as any future employers will remember this and avoid him at all costs.
implant
Grass was greener when Bochy left
foppert1
Ha ha. So dramatic. I’m thinking the overriding sentiment in baseball might be closer to “Good for you, Bob”
Brew88
Most Padre fans are saying just that as well. In a competitive world, it is perhaps the best outcome that he goes to a rival and brings to them what he brought to SD in 2023. Perfect.
Pads Fans
Giants are the opening day opponent I think.
websoulsurfer
They are. mlb.com/padres/schedule/2024-03
bleachers139
I just hope he passes the pbysical
implant
Hopefully the Friars will get Bochy’d again
CrikesAlready
Something is wrong with the Padres owner and their GM sucks. Good for Bob Melvin!
I am starting to feel about the Padres the way I did about the San Diego Chargers. Doing a bunch of bad things, and alienating the fans who have two brain cells to put together. I do think of Peter Seidler as this city’s new Alex Spanos. He’s a loon. Who knows what caused it, but he’s a loon.
sergefunction
OMG no. Get a grip, man. Peter Seidler is the “new Alex Spanos”? At least you didn’t say “Dean”.
Out of any 100 points of comparison, your claim fails on 99 of them (all but “owning a San Diego sports franchise”).
Please, put down the high-quality psychelics. You’ve lost control.
Pads Fans
Padres season tickets are sold out for 2024. You CAN get on a waiting list if you want, but its doubtful you will get an opportunity to buy season tickets in the near future.
TheWomanWithTheGlassEye
I’ll find some on the resale market when they are underachieving.
Pads Fans
They underachieved this season and sold out 56 games. Prepare to pay through the nose for bad seats.
TheWomanWithTheGlassEye
Only 56? Those are good odds.
Citizen1
Illych 3.0 – badly want the ws win
THEY LIVE!!!
Never trust a man with two first names!
Big whiffa
Although I couldn’t agree more with your logic. I’m not sure if Melvin can be considered a name anymore. Prob been 50 years since some mom named her kid Melvin lol. Might still be a front side weggie thou
THEY LIVE!!!
Had an uncle Melvin who has passed away.
Gwynning
My condolences TL
Brew88
There are plenty of Mels, on their Bi Cert they are usually Melvins
MLB Top 100 Commenter
They live!
What about Billy Martin, Nolan Ryan, George Brett, Jeff Kent, Will Clark, Tommy John, Joe Nathan, John Franco, Eddie Murray, Steve Carlton, Connie Mack, Fred Clarke, Charlie Manuel, Bill Terry and Frank Howard?!!!!
If you count female names:
Babe Ruth, Pete Rose and Tom Kelly
Brew’88
Milton Bradley
Then there’s names that should be names like Dick Pole, Razor Shines and Cannonball Titcomb
Gwynning
Lots of weird takes in here… I think BoMel was ready to coach in ’24 but his ‘hometown’ team expressed interest. Preller probably asked Bob if he had mutual interest before allowing SF contact. More than likely, this is/was a classy maneuver by all parties involved and we all wish BoMel luck. I would like to see Shildt elevated to Manager and appreciate everything AJ has done for the roster and farm! Go Pads
Brew’88
@Gwynning cheers and beers for all!
sf fan
Now fix the roster, or another season under .500.
JoeBrady
Looks like low-hanging win/win to me. The Padres save $4M, SFG get their choice, and maybe this puts a little charge into the rivalry.
sergefunction
If The Ghost of Sandy Alderson has any say in the outcome here, this move all but guarantees that Bob Melvin wins 3 of the next 6 or 8 World Series titles.
Not that he’s Bruce Bochy because he’s not, and not that Sandy Alderson is AJ Preller because he’s not.
It’s because…Padres.
SFGiantsin2023
San Frandiego Giantpads
sergefunction
Petstick Park
Jean Matrac
Since the ‘stick is long gone, Petstick Park is a fail. Maybe Petcoracle instead? Admittedly that’s not good at all, but at it’s least accurate.
sergefunction
I know exactly where I’d like to shove up a Petstick right about now.
Jean Matrac
I would warn you against such extreme methods of self-abuse.
sdpadsfan11
Next Padres manager: Darren Balsley
Bench coach: Rene Rivera
Pitching coach: Ruben Niebla
Hitting coach: David Eckstein
Gwynning
Eck or Mark Loretta? Read your post as Ruben Rivera and almost did a spit-take! Ha
csspackler
“Giving permission to talk to ….”
A semantic joke. What they did was “give them permission to hire.”
They’ve been talking all along.
Jacksson13
The Giants have not yet recovered from the BOCHY curse for having hired him away from the Padres and now the Giants will have the MELVIN curse on them when they play the Padres.
Jean Matrac
Winning 3 WS after hiring Bochy is a curse? I’ll take that curse every time.
closetball
How can you look at a 110 loss Dbag team going to the World Series in one year and not realize what a complete phony BS failure Preller is?
websoulsurfer
So very glad he is gone. He was the anti-manager for the Padres.
Jean Matrac
The Padres were dead in the water on 8/31. All but statistically eliminated, Then they went 19-7 in September to vault over the Giants into 3rd, and finish over .500. Not sure how they did that with a manager that gave up on the team. And if they did it in spite of him, why didn’t they do that sooner?
websoulsurfer
It took a POM meeting at the end of August and Melvin being called into a come-to-Jesus meeting with Preller to make it happen. A few on here have said that late in the season Flaherty was making the lineup and in-game decisions. Not so sure that is the case, but the in-game decisions were so different from what we saw earlier in the season that I would not discount that idea completely. Something certainly changed in the management of the team.
As many have pointed out, Melvin was a self-described hands off manager all season and his in-game decisions were horrible, His bullpen usage alone cost the Padres 3 times as many wins as they would have needed to make the playoffs. Bad matchups. Bad platoon advantages. Not pulling relievers when they were getting pounded. Not having Hader pitch two days in a row or go 4 outs. Not pinch hitting for players that had been struggling. I could go on and on and so could anyone who actually watched Padres games.
The players performed. 6th in OPS+ and WAR. 1st in ERA. Would we have loved to see more? Sure. Did they do very well? Absolutely.
The Padres biggest issue was Melvin.
websoulsurfer
POM = players only meeting.
foppert1
I read that Hader was in charge of when Hader pitched. He was all about protecting his arm going into FA.
Brew88
He’s become a boutique RP, not a closer
cuedog1
What a Melvin..
Candlestoked
He’ll do well in SF.
websoulsurfer
Some news on this today. The Padres held interviews with 2 people today from outside the organization and one from inside the organization. They plan on interviewing at least one more from in the organization in next few days. It is believed that they have asked for permission to interview Craig Counsell which could happen as soon as tomorrow. Several candidates including veteran managers reached out to the Padres asking to be included in interviews. I read that to mean guys like Buck Showalter and Joe Maddon.
The Padres were obviously prepared for this to happen and are acting to get interviews done immediately.
While they have said there is no timetable for hiring a new manager, they are moving fast and it would not be surprising if they announced a hire on the first day off during the WS on Sunday or even before.
More info has come out about how this came about. After the meeting by Preller and Mevin with Seidler after the end of the season, Melvin contracted Preller and asked what the team would do if he was contacted by other teams for permission to interview. It seems that even though he was under contract with the Padres, Melvin had been in contact with other teams including the Giants. One day later the Giants contacted the Padres to ask permission to interview Melvin.
Pure speculation on my part, but I believe that at least part of the reason why Melvin was reaching out to other teams was that Preller had asked him to step back from in-game decisions in early September and allow Flaherty, Christenson, and Shildt to handle those duties. I had wondered why Shildt was in uniform and in the dugout throughout the month. Players had approached Preller after their POM on August 31st to express their concerns about Melvin’s decision making and his lack of involvement with the players. That certainly gibes with the things we have read in the media in the last month about a rift between them and I would think that I would be ticked off if the GM asked me to do that too. Although, the team did go 20-7 from that point on, so Preller’s decision was the right one if a very, very unusual one.
The players that met with Seidler prior to him giving permission for Melvin to interview included pitchers and position players. Rumors are they including Darvish, Musgrove, Machado, Bogaerts, and Soto. Curiously they did not include Tatis or Kim. Possibly a time difference for Kim? Not sure why not Tatis.
I am quite sure that more will come out in the days and weeks to come. This keeps getting even more interesting. I am still glad that Melvin is gone.
snowyphile1
See what happens if Zaidi treats Melvin like his robot.