The Marlins recently parted ways with GM Kim Ng in a somewhat shocking move, considering Miami just made the postseason in a full season for the first time since 2003. Today, Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald discusses the concerns Marlins owner Bruce Sherman had regarding the club’s front office. Per Jackson, ownership’s concerns centered around the club’s player development and drafting apparatus, specifically on the position player side of things. Top position player draft picks for the Marlins under Ng like catcher Joe Mack, infielder Kahlil Watson, and infielder Jacob Berry have all struggled to this point in their professional careers, though Watson is no longer part of the organization after being dealt to Cleveland at the trade deadline this year.
Ultimately, those concerns ended up being the trigger for decisions that led to Ng’s departure from the Marlins, including his desire to install a president of baseball operations above her and his move to pick up the team’s half of a mutual option rather than offer her an extension. Per Jackson, Sherman’s goal in hiring a president of baseball operations above Ng was to have someone else lead a restructuring of the amateur scouting and player development departments of the front office in addition to having a hands-on role in those areas. Jackson adds that Miami’s next president of baseball operations will have to fill out senior-level positions in the front office in addition to restructuring the aforementioned areas; along with Ng’s departure as GM, Jackson adds that senior director of international operations Adrian Lorenzo is departing the organization while senior director of player personnel Billy Masse was never replaced after exiting last offseason.
More front office notes from around the game…
- As the Red Sox continue their search for the club’s next head of baseball operations, former Astros GM James Click became the latest high-profile candidate to pull himself from consideration for the position today. Per Alex Speier of The Boston Globe, Click talked to the Red Sox about the opportunity but has declined to pursue the organization’s top job, citing family considerations. In doing so, Click joins a number of other candidates who have to decline the spot at the head of Boston’s baseball operations department including former Rangers president of baseball operations Jon Daniels, former Marlins president Michael Hill, and Diamondbacks GM Mike Hazen. Click currently works in Toronto’s front office as vice president of baseball strategy.
- Per R.J. Anderson of CBS Sports, the Braves have officially promoted Ronit Shah to the role of scouting director. Shah was already running the club’s scouting department in 2023 after previously serving as assistant scouting director under Dana Brown, who departed the organization last offseason to take over as GM of the Astros. Atlanta’s scouting operation has seen great successes in recent years, including last year’s breakout performances by rookies Spencer Strider and Michael Harris II. The pair were drafted in the fourth and third rounds of the 2020 and 2019 drafts, respectively.
briar-patch thatcher
All those years in the Yankees organization and I still wouldn’t trust her with a library loan. Terrible at drafting and trades. Jake Burger and Josh Bell were dangled carrots for Marlins fans that thought the playoffs were an accomplishment.
mostlytoasty
The Burger-Eder trade was a straight robbery. I haven’t written off Eder just yet, as usually year 2 after a TJs surgery is where they’re more fully back to themselves. But does anyone really trust the White Sox development staff to see him to his full potential?
Ng is going to find a new job very quickly unless she is taking a year off.
acoss13
If Eder has the innate ability then he will flourish because of his natural talent, but if he needs help from the White Sox player development team, then he’s going to struggle. Chris Getz has not had a successful player development program, the last good player to be developed was Tim Anderson.
And that’s the new GM for us, hooray…
Joe says...
She was with the Yankees from 98 to 00. She wasn’t there long.
Yeti
Some “fans” seem to have left a dangler almost every morning, might explain the level of misery.
stymeedone
@briar
Not an accomplishment. A step in the right direction. Which it was.
njbirdsfan
If anything, the Braves should be cutting talented people loose and promoting unqualified people.
Because that’s what we’re rewarding now. 85-90 wins and hot streaks. Building a quality team, you’re doing yourself a disservice.
Hemlock
I think they need more rounds of playoffs. And expansion. 5 more teams per league. 20 team leagues. A 10 versus 10 playoff tournament! Double, no, triple elimination format. Let the losing team have lifelines. Phone a friend. “Should we like score a ton of ribbies (RBIs) here or like no?” And exciting new rule changes—for example, strikeouts when hitting count as reaching base safely! I guess that’s it for now. Who cares how it works out—people will watch it and we will make more money!!
JerryCavender
You are gonna see changes. When 3 of the top 4 teams aren’t even in the LCS changes will be made. I am betting this year will be a record low for tv ratings and that will cause changes. And it’s the second year in a row. If you want a best of 3 in the wild card round it should be over 2 days and start on the Monday after the season ends. Tire their asses out. 6 days off for those that busted it all season isn’t right.
Pads Fans
Sunday’s Rangers-Astros American League Championship Series Game 1 averaged a 3.7 rating and 7.02 million viewers on FOX — the largest Game 1 audience in the LCS since Dodgers-Cubs on FS1 in 2016 (7.31M) and the largest in the ALCS since Yankees-Rangers on TBS in 2010 (8.11M).
Ratings increased 19% and viewership 28% from last year’s Yankees-Astros ALCS opener.
In the NLCS, Diamondbacks-Phillies Game 1 averaged a combined 3.83 million viewers across TBS (3.73M), truTV (52K) and MLB Network (57K) — down 7% from Phillies-Padres on FS1 last year (4.10M). The game aired opposite Monday Night Football; last year’s game did not face NFL competition.
The ratings are all about day of the week, sports competition for viewers, and daytime vs prime time,
Doubt that any changes are forthcoming anytime soon. The next change will probably be two teams added to the playoffs when MLB expands to 32 teams in the next CBA.
Jean Matrac
There probably will be changes due to the widely held perception that the top 2 teams get rusty waiting for the conclusion of the WC round. Whether that’s a real thing or not, when you have former players, now working as analysts, saying this is a real issue, it’s real enough in the minds of those in charge.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Pads I love how you always have the relevant stats at the drop of a hat. I don’t know how you do it. I would easily screw it up trying to copy & paste from different screens on my phone lol.
stymeedone
No, they can’t make changes just because some Non Top 6 markets make the playoffs. The other 24 teams won’t allow it. There are already enough advantages for the top 6, economically.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I think the 1st seeds deserve a second bye and a 1-0 advantage in the Division Series. No not really, how about just play better. Tired of the whining. It’s a small sample size so far. If you see the exact same trends for the next 5 years in a row, then maybe it’s a thing. Or not. There were ample legitimate reasons why the Braves, Orioles, Dodgers all got eliminated when they did. Blaming it on having 5 days off is just weak sauce.
MarlinsFanBase
I think the WC round should start Monday and end Wednesday, then Division series start on Thursday. Don’t give the WC winners time to rest. Three days is not too long for the teams with the Byes. Also, I feel that every round should be reset. There is no reason that the O’s should have been playing the Rangers or the Braves facing the Phillies.
Braves83
5 of the best records bounced by the 1st rd. Only 1 division winner continues and they played for their life till the last day? Coincidence? Or is the system set up to give division winners a disadvantage?
SeibuLionsNPB
I know this is sarcasm but in Japan the NPB does exactly this format. The first place team gets a bye and a 1-0 lead in the second round. I’m a huge Braves fan but even that advantage would not have helped them against the Phillies. The truth is that the Braves didn’t hit and their pitching didn’t hold up. It happens. No excuses the Phillies are playing hot right now. Atta boy Harper, you really whooped our asses.
MarlinsFanBase
@SeibuLions
The Phillies have looked like one of the top teams in the game ever since they got rolling during the season. Now they have continued to just play flat out better than everyone. This series with the D-Backs is already over because the Phillies have already beaten two better teams that the D-Backs.
Jean Matrac
MarlinsFanBase, I like that idea. If the WC winner wants a day off, sweep the first 2 games. There are plenty of times during the regular season without a travel day between series’.
MarlinsFanBase
@Jean Matrac
Exactly. And it gives the top two seeds a day to rest and heal, and a couple of days for practice and to set their rotation for the series. Wild Card round teams get nothing to their advantage.
WubbaLubbaDubDub
Building a quality team means one that can win in the playoffs. Isn’t that ultimate goal?
ChipperChop
Must be your first year watching baseball. I find it hilarious when fans say “build a team that can win in the playoffs”. It is a crapshoot. So you’re basically saying build a team that gets hot at the end of the year because the teams that get hot at the right time, are the teams that win in the playoffs. You’ll never convince me that Arizona is “better built” for the playoffs than the Dodgers and certainly not 3 game sweep better. Is it possible to “get hot” after 5-6 days off, and playing no meaningful games for a month in the case of the Braves and Dodgers? Sure. But not likely.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
You think that Dodgers starting rotation was built for the postseason,?? The one that pitched a total of 4 2/3’s innings over 3 games?? Arizona had the superior rotation with Kelly & Gallen a very solid 1 & 2.
ChipperChop
The Dodgers lit up Gallon and Kelly in the regular season and the D’backs bullpen was trash all year and the Dodgers had one of the best. Yes…the Dodgers were still better built for the playoffs and tons of playoff experience. Heck Kershaw was better than Gallon and Kelly when healthy. The Dodgers could’ve had A healthy Buehler, Urias, May….Kershaw could’ve pitched like Kershaw, it would’ve made no difference. One of the best offenses in the game could not score (6 runs in 3 games). Again…the team that gets hot wins and the D-Backs got hot against Mil and carried that over against an ice cold (rested) team with no momentum. Zero chance you saw the D-Backs beating (sweeping) the Dodgers so to pretend like you thought they were “better built” for the playoffs is comical.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I’m a Mariners fan, so I saw first-hand how the Dodgers starting pitchers (and bullpen!) carved us up at home with ease for a 3-game sweep at a critical juncture. So no, I didn’t have any pre-conceived notions that Arizona was going to sweep them. Plus I saw how pathetically the D-backs backed into the playoffs by losing 3 straight games.
But still, watching how Kershaw has had to adapt to being a pitch-to contact style junkball pitcher with velo peaking at 90, the risk was apparent. The risk was apparent relying on a rookie Bobby Miller to be a savior. The risk was apparent in the desperation of starting Lance Lynn with his 44 dingers allowed. (Based on how they pitched the M’s , I would have started Sheehan , possibly Pepiot, and then a bullpen game.) Any way you slice it and dice it, the Dodgers rotation was decimated come October , so the fact they aren’t playing right now should be of surprise to any Dodgers fan.
Jean Matrac
ChipperChop,
“The Dodgers lit up Gallon and Kelly in the regular season…”
Really? That’s hyperbole at best. Gallen faced the Dodgers only once, the first game of the season, so small sample. Just as small a sample as the postseason.
But, Kelly absolutely did not get lit up. He faced the Dodgers 3 times, pitched 15 1/3, and gave up only 2 ERs.
teachdad46
No strong candidate will want to interview for this job. The organization is a mess because ownership is asleep at the wheel and Kennedy is incapable of keeping the present staff on the same tack. What a mess.
RSmith
I dont think ownership has an “asleep at the wheel” problem. Its more of a ‘we want to make most of the decisions’ thing. Making it a job that no self-respecting GM with a decent resume would want.
RSmith
My comment was to the Red Sox situation.
stymeedone
“Family matters” is a simple way of saying the perameters of the job weren’t acceptable. Those same “family matters” will be present with any front office job, unless he is hired by his hometown team. I’m guessing they gave him some ideas of the restrictions, and they were not what he was expecting.
1. you have to keep the manager, Cora.
2. Devers is the big star, so he plays 3B as long as he wants, and you can;t shop him. DH for occasional rest only.
3. payroll has to be under threshhold, so no spending, only cutting.
4. The analytics team has to approve everything.
Yeti
Fear that may be true & I say that as a Braves fan who generally roots for the Marlins to do better. Every year they finish ahead of the Mets & Nationals is a good one.
JerryCavender
Good point
all in the suit that you wear
Click seems pretty average to me. No big deal.
JoeBrady
Any move in particular that you don’t like?
all in the suit that you wear
Not really. He doesn’t impress me much one way or the other. Bloom might have got the best of him in the Vazquez deal or maybe Click gave him a good deal because they are friends.
acell10
in fairness that trade was probably more ownership driven as houston’s owner nixed a trade for Contreras
all in the suit that you wear
Good point and Vazquez helped them win a World Series, so I’m sure the Astros have no regrets.
No Soup For Yu!
Not to diminish Ng’s overall accomplishments, but the Marlins frankly had no business being in the playoffs this year. They had the worst run differential for a postseason team in history and their expected W-L record was 75-87. Reminds me a lot of the 2016 Rangers and their absurd record in 1-run games that turned a .500 team into the best team by record in the AL.
YankeesBleacherCreature
That’s a cop out or excuse. It’s a long 162-game season. Ng assembled a cast of players which shut down opponents in close games. That matters. You can look at the Padres’ run differential but they didn’t get it done when it mattered. Winning one-run games is a skill, not luck.
Big Smoke
Not really a cop out or excuse. Their roster isn’t built for sustained success. Player development under Kim has been a joke, and for some reason casuals and journalists choose to ignore this inconvenient truth. I don’t care that Miami made the postseason for the first time since the birth of Christ. If they keep on whiffing on drafts, free agent signings, and trades, then they’ll never have a solid enough foundation to build a legit playoff contender on
No Soup For Yu!
Winning 1-run games is absolutely luck, that’s why it’s talked about extensively when a team does it really well over the course of the season and whether they’ll be able to keep doing it. The Rays were a 99 win team with a 22-25 record in 1-run games despite a fantastic bullpen. The Royals had a terrible bullpen (and were frankly just terrible overall), but had a 21-20 record in 1-run games. The only team in the AL West with a winning record in 1-run games was the Angels, even though the Astros and Mariners has great bullpens. This supposed “skill” also never transfers year-to-year, and on average teams are expected to split those games.
stymeedone
@ no soup
So if you play better than expected, you don’t get allowed into the playoffs?!!
Guess the White Sox should have been a #1 seed since many projected them to win the division and what they actually did shouldn’t matter.
No Soup For Yu!
The point isn’t they shouldn’t have been allowed, but you can’t look at that roster and say Ng built a winner primed for sustained success. The Marlins making the playoffs has little to do with what Ng did. They are a bad team with a bad roster that overperformed for just long enough to squeak into October before getting exposed badly by the Phillies. You don’t deserve credit for your team being lucky as a GM. By this same logic, if your clubhouse isn’t a cancerous environment, you probably get a little bit of slack as a manager/GM if your team drastically underperforms in terms of run differential and misses the playoffs despite a solid roster.
KoryIzMe
Umm Mike Hazen is the D-Backs GM not Rangers. Rangers have Chris Young
YankeesBleacherCreature
@FPG My condolences.
acoss13
Boston is going through quite a list of candidates, really showing how unattractive that job is…
RunDMC
Beane about to rewrite the ending? Good time to jump ship. Guy has to be tried of being bloodied, first through the wall.
Oh, to be a fly on the wall of whatever room Billy was in when he first read/heard Trevor May’s comments about owner John Fisher.
SportsFan0000
Beane was the 1st “big name” to turn down the Red Sox top Front Office job.
Looks like he got that right also!
Pause for comments from Sox fans about titles won etc..
But, as a have stated many times, experienced Presidents of Baseball Ops and GMs will not take a job
in the toxic Red Sox Front Office with the org chart overlapping thru
John Henry’s office and taking a detour loop thru Sam Kennedy’s (business side) office.
Red Sox will have to turn to another in house trainee.
This is good news for the Orioles, Rays and Blue Jays
since it levels the financial, competitive, leadership and front office “playing field” for the teams with lower budgets in the AL East.
The Red Sox and Yankees have taken several steps back from their Elite team days and come back to and passed “the pack” going the other way.
Pads Fans
Fricking hilarious how many execs around the league are saying no thank you to the Red Sox. How dysfunctional does your organization have to be to have 5 guys say I don’t want to even interview with your team let alone work for you and 2 other internal candidates turn down an interview?
acoss13
That’s what happens when you have a high turnover at the position. What’s sad, this job would have been much easier to fill 10 years ago, but John Henry and the rest of ownership have been really hands on with the front office in the last decade now.
Cooperdooper7
This is what happens when Ownership scapegoats Bloom for doing what he was hired to do, fires the Pitching Coach, the 3rd Base Coach and says the Manager was not at fault…. matter a fact he is staying and you have to agree to that? Bass Ackward!
SportsFan0000
Red Sox Ownership is reaping what it has sown in MLB.
As I stated numerous times, the Red Sox Pres of Baseball Ops and GM jobs will be very difficult to fill.
The word is out around MLB that Red Sox Owner John Henry meddles too much in baseball decisions (an East Coast version of Angels Arte Moreno)
AND, business operations Executive Sam Kennedy (has direct access to John Henry) and also constantly meddles in, interferes with and, along with Henry, challenges and vetoes baseball decisions made by the baseball experts.
Although both Henry and Kennedy are accomplished in their areas of expertise, (Henry making money in investments) (Kennedy in managing the business side of things),
Neither Henry nor Kennedy are competent and experienced in the baseball side decisions: championship team building, drafts, trades, building Front Offices and farm teams, player development, free agent signings, when to cut players and more.
Too much drama, too much interference, too much questioning of the baseball professionals decisions by non baseball people.
Experienced, crackerjack baseball pros running an MLB Front Office
don’t have the time and/or patience to run teach Executive level courses
to non baseball people who cannot pick up decades of baseball side experience “on the fly”. And, very few experience baseball Front Office Execs have the patience to justify, debate and try to convince the non baseball decisionmakers (Henry and Kennedy) to get on board for every consequential move that they want to make.
That, my friends, is too much for them!
I can see how they would not have the patience to put up with that sort of thing. The Pres of Baseball Ops job is a hard enough job (and the
GM job) without adding many extra layers of work and bureaucracy.
To stay ahead of the pack of competitors, they have to move quickly and take advantage of very competitive, very fluid situations.
It is like working in a sand dune situation…frequently getting bogged down.
Not for most experienced baseball Execs..
SportsFan0000
Well, Bruce Bochy turned down a team reunion in San Diego as Padres Manager
since word around the league was that there was “No Way” Bochy was
going to work with and for Padres Pres of Baseball Ops AJ Preller.
Of course, Ownership in San Diego has changed.
But, the “natural fit” and future Hall of Fame Manager Bochy was not going back to the Padres team and town he loved (and still owns a home there) if it meant working
under AJ Preller as Pres of Baseball Ops.
Boch was a backup catcher for their ’84 World Series Team.
And, he was their manager for their 1998 second World Series team
that lost to the Yankees.
Inside Out
Ah Barry Jackson, a writer who has been kissing Sherman’s butt for years is at it again. Nice work Barry. I wonder if you just let Sherman write your articles or just let his pr person review first. Really some hard hitting journalism there.
MarlinsFanBase
For all of the bashers of what was going into Sherman’s decision and Ng’s decision, this pretty much covers what I said when it happened.
Simple. Ng’s mixed results wasn’t comforting for a multiyear extension. She needed to prove herself for another year. And Sherman couldn’t trust her draft performance, while from the inside, he knew what was happening, and did not excuse her for the time under Jeter and Denbo. I think Sherman knows more about what was going on behind the scenes than all of those Marlins bashers that have tried to excuse Ng’s fails prior to Denbo being fired. Sherman not splitting the difference is all anyone needs to know about what was really happening behind the scenes in his organization.
I’m curious to know if Sherman had already been talking to people about rthe President of Baseball Operations yet. And who are the names floating out there. I know that with Michael Jordan in teh background, he played a role in the Marlins conversations with the Heat when the ownership group came aboard. Based on the mentions of what Sherman is looking for, I wonder if he’s going to try a move similar to what Micky Arison of the Heat did when he nabbed Pat Riley – going big with a guy with a proven track record to run his team for him so he can just sit in the stands as a fan. If so, who fits that mold? The only thing simlar in MLB that would be available would maybe be Theo Epstein who seems to not have a big market team to run to at the moment. What other names are out there?
bravesiowafan
Dilusional marlins fan take if I’ve ever seen one
MarlinsFanBase
Care to offer more than just a cheap shot? Or are you trolling under a new name?
Chris from NJ
Theo Epstein?? That’s funny just bringing his name up in whatever context you meant it. Sherman wants control of the team. Epstein would never take a job that he didn’t have full autonomy. Plus the farm system isn’t great and payroll is always an issue. Why would Theo or any big ticket gm or PoBO want to go to a team that is not going to spend and ownership that wants to be very hands on which I don’t think is a good thing.
martras
Ng was hired to be the GM after the 2020 season. Her drafts are 2021, 2022 and 2023. There’s not much data to pull from there. 2021-2022 drafts look rough right now. Pretty short period of time to decide you want to undercut your GM by demoting them in reporting structure after bringing you to the first normal season playoff series in 20 years.
Not to mention Ng’s draft picks weren’t ridiculous.
Watson MLB Rank 4th, Drafted 16th. Steal.
Mack MLB Rank 19th. Drafted 31st. Lucky.
Morissette MLB Rank 59th. Drafted 52nd On Par.
McCants MLB Rank 133rd. Drafted 88th. Reach.
Allen T. MLB Rank 136th. Drafted 118th. On par.
Allen B. MLB RAnk 193rd. Drafted 149th. Reach
Berry. MLB Rank 7th. Drafted 6th. On Par.
Miller. MLB Rank 37th. Drafted 43rd. On Par.
Milbrandt MLB Rank 90th. Drafted 85th. On Par.
Johnson MLB Rank 139th. Drafted 112th. Reach.
White MLB Rank 188th. Drafted 142nd. Reach.
Once you get out of the first 3 rounds, odds are long on guys cracking the MLB roster. Ng flipped a couple of the picks for value to help the MLB team like Josh Bell and J.T. Chargois and Xavier Edwards.
Trollfree
If Boston wants to be competitive again the owners will need to do what made them successful prior to Bloom, they need to hire the best candidate not the cheapest candidate, not the politically correct candidate, not the highest potential candidate and not the bilingual candidate.
Nobody mentioned so far makes sense if the Red Sox want to win this decade. Like any well run Big Market team they need to pilfer from the smaller market teams. They need someone who doesn’t sit in a room and take credit for the work of his team but rather the guy who is the brains behind the decisions.
For example, in TB there is still someone sitting in the room Bloom sat in directing the choices for their franchise. The smartest guy in the room is the ONLY guy that has a chance to make it in Boston. Not the media friendly guy, not the minority guy and clearly not the guy who stands up and shouts “it was all me” like Bloom did.
Ng leaving is a sign to stay away. Why? Because there is no way the Miami owners are less toxic than the Boston owners so if she can’t handle them, no way she handles Henry and gang.
Frankly, the best choice would be to wait until after the world series and then offer Chris Young double his current money to come to Boston. He’s not likely to take it bur as of today, he is the best option available. Sure is a damn shame the best of the best was fired after winning a ring in 3 years. What foolish choices have been made!!!!
SportsFan0000
Chris Young is a native of the Dallas area. As a starting pitcher, his boss in San Diego was Bruce Bochy (Manager).
They are close friends.
Relationships mean a lot in MLB.
Young and Bochy will be staying in Texas for awhile.
Fever Pitch Guy
John Henry admitted he screwed up with the Lester negotiations.
Do you think someday he’ll admit screwing up by pushing Dombrowski out the door?
Farian
Mike Hazen is not the Rangers’ GM. He’s in Arizona. Duh.