The A’s have been frequently compared to the Rays in recent years, as both clubs typically run payrolls at or near the bottom of the league, struggle with attendance issues, and have been the focus of relocation rumors in recent years due in part to dilapidated stadiums. One area where the two teams couldn’t be further apart, according to John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle, is their respective analytics departments.
While the Rays run a low player payroll relative to the league’s norms, they’re among the highest spenders when it comes to investing in their analytics department. As noted by Shea, the club had 44 full-time employees in the department during 2023, the most in all of baseball. Meanwhile, Oakland has largely neglected to invest in their analytics department, with their eight-person staff being the smallest in the majors last year.
Shea notes that the club plans to add to the department this offseason with four new full-time hires increasing the total staff to 11 after accounting for the impending departure of advanced scouting analyst Leo Pollack, who Shea relays will not return to the club in 2024. The 11-person staff would still leave them tied with the Rockies and Marlins for the smallest analytics department in the majors. It’s also unclear if the A’s will have any members of the analytics department travel with the team next year, as Shea notes Pollack was the only member of the department who did so in 2023.
Oakland is coming off a brutal 50-112 season that saw it post the second-most losses in franchise history, outpaced only by the 117-loss Philadelphia Athletics back in 1916. The club’s second consecutive 100-loss campaign comes on the heels of a protracted tear-down that saw the club trade away a core of Matt Olson, Matt Chapman, Sean Murphy, Frankie Montas, Chris Bassitt and Sean Manaea that led the club to four consecutive winning seasons from 2018-2021 and playoff appearances in 2018, 2019, and 2020. Those trades have largely yet to bear fruit, though players like catcher Shea Langeliers and outfielder Esteury Ruiz have shown some level of promise at the big league level.
Shea notes that GM David Forst would “love” to have a more robust analytics staff, though payroll constraints have limited the department’s ability to expand much as they left Forst unable to retain Oakland’s core of successful players as the team cut payroll from $92MM in 2019 to just $47MM come 2022 and $56MM this year. It’s certainly fair for A’s fans to wonder if the club could have fared better in 2022 and 2023 if a larger analytics staff had been employed as the club searched for potential trade targets over the past two offseasons.
More rumors from around Oakland and the A’s…
- Per a recent report from Mick Akers of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, the Las Vegas Stadium Authority’s board of directors will meet with Athletics brass this week to discuss the team’s planned ballpark. Akers adds that the meeting, which is scheduled for Wednesday, will see presentations on community engagement, benefits, and the lease agreement from both the A’s and the project’s construction manager. Though relocation has yet to be put to an official vote among MLB owners, the scheduled vote next month is expected to be little more than a formality, leaving completing agreements with the stadium authority as a primary focus for the club as they continue to pursue relocation. A 30-year non-relocation agreement, financial commitments to the community, terms of the lease, and stadium naming rights are among the topics that Akers notes are expected to be discussed during Wednesday’s meeting.
- As the A’s continue moving ahead with their relocation effort, a report from Shea earlier this month indicates that Joe Lacob, owner of the NBA’s Golden State Warriors, remains interested in pursuing ownership of an MLB club in the bay area even as the A’s prepare to move out. Lacob spoke about the matter at a recent news conference, telling reporters (including Shea) that he’s been “very interested” in acquiring the A’s in the past, and that “if, for whatever reason, (A’s owner John Fisher) decided it wasn’t going to work, sure, we might be interested” in acquiring the A’s and keeping them in Oakland. Lacob also left the door open to a potential bid for ownership of a different MLB team, adding that he “might” be interested if an ownership opportunity presented itself, whether or the A’s or another team.
julyn82001
Well, Lacob did move the Warriors to San Francisco but he would be a fresh buying perspective if A’s current owner Fisher makes his mind up and decides to sale… So far, Fisher has
Insisted he does not want to sale though…
Bart Harley Jarvis
An additional factor that needs to be considered is that John Fisher is a shiece of pit.
azcrook
The Warriors were originally in SF when they moved from Phillly
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Brink back the Oakland Oaks!
Big whiffa
A’s name needs to stay in Oakland. Let vegas rename the team. Las Vegas Single Game Parleys is my vote lol
Bart Harley Jarvis
Las Vegas Degenerate Gamblers, the DGs.
kje76
I’d be fine with a Vegas team renaming. However, why should the A’s name “need to stay in Oakland”, considering it’s the third location for the name after Philadelphia and Kansas City?
Steinbrenner2728
Because Kansas City has the Royals and the Phillies are in Philadelphia. I don’t think either cities would accept the A’s name currently.
bhambrave
Lack of an analytics staff might explain why the A’s get fleeced in trades. They just read ESPN or MLB.com to see which prospects they ask for.
If the A’s wind up leaving, it would be sweet to see Oakland get an expansion team and wind up winning a WS before the A’s.
deadmanonleave
That would be awesome.
ARC 2
Read about that too. No wonder they been going down hill the last 4 years. Vegas officials are not the brightest bulbs. They paid Mark Davis $2 billion for a poorly run football team. Brought F1 race to Vegas and so far costly tax payers a huge amount to put it on and might be for only 1 year. Gave Fisher $380 million to get Vegas considered with no stadium plans. Tourism is down in Vegas. So why do they spend so much?
Pads Fans
There is a lawsuit pending that is likely to win and strip the A’s of the $180 million in transferable tax credits from the state of Nevada.
Big whiffa
I think the A’s do great in trades. They are just intentionally tanking right now. But their history is a lot like TB. Acquiring head scratchers that typically pan out or trading guys at their peak value like Addison Russell
Rsox
The problem for the A’s is Fisher trying to build an analytics department on Old Navy pay wages…
jhend12
yup. doesn’t matter if you have 100 people in your analytics team. you get what you pay for.
deadmanonleave
If you’ve no willingness to spend, the investing the least in analytics really is adding insult to injury. The only comparison with the Rays is small town and low budget. The Rays work their socks off getting better.
unpaidobserver
It’s a real disservice to Old Navy staff to be compared to A’s analytic staff. Those high school kids are actually trying.
stymeedone
I have had to “work” with today’s high school kids. They have no idea of what the word means. As Yoda said, No try, Do!
Pads Fans
Actually, in the movie Yoda said “Do or do not. There is no try.”
LlamaJackson
I work in analytics, and sports teams pay way below market compared to tech companies. That being said even at a bargain basement pay for these analysts you could get 5-10 for just 1 major league minimum player. So Fisher is of course lying about not being to afford them.
PaulyMidwest
I wish dude would sell the team to someone who actually cares about baseball.
missing the moustaches
Trevor May said it best! “Sell the Team dork!”
jorge78
Funny how Lacob keeps saying “might be interested.” He knows public comments aren’t legally binding right?
Pads Fans
Lacob is a businessperson. He wants to know the cost before saying he is definitely interested. Depends on what the franchise fee is and what the terms are.
prov356
It’s kind of ironic that the A’s have “largely neglected to invest in their analytics department” considering that whole sabermetrics crap kinda started with them in the 90s.
unpaidobserver
Having as many guys as they do now in your analytic department was ahead of the time in 1998…
prov356
Yes, in 1998. But not 2023.
gbs42
“sabermetrics crap?”
How do you really feel about it, prov?
The search for improvement is “crap?” Okay…
prov356
It’s subjective, gbs. You are free to think the minutia means something.
gbs42
“Minutia?” You certainly are dismissive of a revolution in how front offices – in more than just baseball – operate.
And thanks for your permission to think as I choose. That really means a lot.
Pads Fans
The top teams in spending on analytics are the top teams in wins. What prov doesn’t understand is what helps teams win.
prov356
Please tell me more mr pads fan so i can be as smart as you about baseball and stuff.
gbs42
prov, you lead off the discussion with condescending smugness but are bothered when it’s thrown back in your face?
prov356
gbs – I found it ironic that the A’s didn’t following through on implementing a theory that they kinda pioneered in baseball…that’s all. It’s ok if we disagree. I’m not bothered at all. I appreciate debate. I do believe, however, that mr padres was condescending which is why I responded with sarcasm.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
People go to psychics and tarot readers in the search for improvement.
Does that mean that psychics and tarot readers are not crap by virtue of being in the search for improvement?
gbs42
66, are you trying to compare sabermetrics to tarot card readers and psychics??
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Actually, Billy Beane got fascinated by the 1993 Phillies. Team went from worst to first, knocked off the Braves in the playoffs and made it all the way to Game 6 of the WS.
They did this with a low payroll and a bunch of castoffs from other teams. Dykstra (Mets), Incaviglia (Houston), Schilling (Houston), Mulholland (Giants) Hollins (Rule 5 from Padres), Mitch Willimas (Cubs), Duncan (Reds), Jackson (Reds/Royals), Tommy Greene (Braves), Eisenreich (Twins) etc.
But if you look at how they did it, it smacks of “Moneyball” before there was a “Moneyball”.
They played hard and grinded out at bats. Example: They led the majors in walks and OBP. Didn’t strike out a lot and only had two players hit 20 or more HR.
That formula would still work today if some team had the brass to prioritize it. Instead, hitters swing for the fences and strike out a ton. Boring!
Big whiffa
That was just a movie. Hollywood lies and that fat guy is Jonah Hill. He’s not in baseball for real. He’s in all kinds of other movies
gbs42
Not only has Jonah Hill never worked in baseball, he’s lost a lot of weight since that movie.
rememberthecoop
I don’t get why a team needs that many employees in an analytics department. I’m not diminishing the importance of analytics. it just seems like a lot of people.
its_happening
It is a lot of people.
Pads Fans
They win with a low payroll. Its working.
its_happening
50 wins is a lot.
stymeedone
Everybody complains about analytics running the team, but then also complain when they don’t have analytics run the team. Why does everyone have to do the same thing?
Tigers3232
Considering every one of these owners and the educated people they hire to rum their franchises are to some degree investing in an analytics staff, I’d say its pretty safe to assume that it adds some value. Now to what extent might be debatable.
Anyone arguing that analytics is useless is either stuck in some nostalgic mindset or does not understand the power of data and mathematics. In 1846 Neptune was discovered with mathematics based off observations and movements of other planets. Anyone discounting math clearly dies not know much about it….
unpaidobserver
Pluto was also discovered using Bode’s Law. Unfortunately, it did not end up being a ninth planet after all…
Old York
I wonder what MLB would have looked like in Babe Ruth’s era if they were using analytics.
unpaidobserver
They did use analytics. They measured how much horse steroids could be used on a man and he’d still survive it.
its_happening
Since it seems Oakland wants a new owner, pray for an expansion team and you’ll get your wish.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
I think it’s too early to label the prospects the A’s received in trades busts. Some are still very young, and if the team did their homework correctly, what they initially saw in them should manifest itself eventually. More so for the hitters than the pitchers because pitchers are a breed unto themselves.
Big whiffa
For next season, A’s need to play in their 3A stadium in vegas then send their 3A team to Oakland to play. Just get it over w already !
LordD99
It’s amazing that the team known for creating the analytics revolution, first under Alderson and then expanded to Moneyball under Beane, is now the worst at it.
Pads Fans
As usual Akers missed the key point. The lawsuit against the state that will block the use of state funds for the A’s stadium. That is $180 million in transferable tax credits off the table. I believe that the Clark County tax credits were contingent on the state money, so its likely the entire deal will be scuttled.
CCCTL
Additional key point:
A’s are asking the NV Legislature for money to fight the suit brought against the stadium bill by NV Teachers.
“Give us money to fight the people who’re getting screwed by our stadium bill that you passed for us.”