5:01pm: The MLB trade deadline has passed, and the White Sox did not trade Cease, reports Bob Nightengale of USA Today.
1:26pm: The White Sox are taking offers on everyone on the roster aside from star center fielder Luis Robert, reports Bruce Levine of 670 The Score (on Twitter). Most notably, that includes 2022 Cy Young runner-up Dylan Cease.
Jon Heyman of the New York Post tweets the asking price was high enough that rival teams feel he’s unlikely to move. Nevertheless, The Post’s Joel Sherman indicates the Sox are “more serious” than they had been about the possibility.
Certainly, there’s no guarantee the White Sox will make a deal. They’d need to be blown away by the package of young talent to do so. Yet it seems they’re at least more open to the idea than they had been, and that they consider Robert on a different level of unattainability than they do Cease.
Cease hasn’t been as dominant as he was last season. His ERA has jumped nearly two runs, up from 2.20 to 4.15 across 119 1/3 innings. There’s been a slight dip in the underlying performance, though it’s not as dramatic as the ERA differential would indicate. Cease’s strikeout rate has decreased from 30.4% to 27.6%, while his swinging strikes have fallen from 15% to 13.6%. Both latter marks are still well above-average, though.
The biggest factor in Cease’s more middling ERA is simply a change in ball-in-play results. Last year’s .260 opponents’ BABIP always looked unlikely to maintain, though this year’s .320 mark probably represents an overcorrection. Cease issues a few more walks than ideal, but he’s capable of missing bats at a rate matched by few other starters and is at least a high-quality #2 arm.
With multiple years of control, Chicago’s asking price should be astronomical. Cease is playing this year on a $5.7MM salary, around $1.87MM of which is yet to be paid out. He’ll be due a pair of arbitration raises before getting to free agency after the 2025 campaign.
Chicago is clearly in sell mode, though their moves to date have mostly been on players with limited control windows. Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo López, Lance Lynn and Joe Kelly all seemed likely to hit free agency after this season. Kendall Graveman was under contract for another year, but he’s a setup reliever having a fine but not overwhelming season. Moving Cease would deal a far greater hit to their chances of reversing their fortunes in 2024, though it stands to reason they’d look for upper minors or controllable MLB talent in those discussions.
Other Chicago players seem far likelier to go. Middle reliever Keynan Middleton is an impending free agent who’ll almost certainly move. The club holds a $14MM option on shortstop Tim Anderson, who is having a very poor season. Anderson has hit well over the last two weeks but still holds a .245/.286/.293 batting line in 357 plate appearances overall. That could leave the Sox with a borderline decision on the option and/or a tough call whether to part with him this afternoon. Russell Dorsey of Bally Sports tweets that the Sox have discussed Anderson with multiple teams; the Marlins were loosely linked to the two-time All-Star in a report from ESPN’s Jesse Rogers last week.
jawinks
Who isn’t listening to offers, honestly
HighOnPineTar
Chaim Bloom apparently.
San Diego could call up and be like
“Hey we’ll trade you Soto for a non top-30 prospect in your system, so like, for free!” and Chaim would immediately hang up and block them on his phone and socials for having the audacity to inquire about any player from his golden farm.
jdizzle ATL Braves
Braves, Dodgers or Astros
King Floch
The Orioles say “hello.”
King of Cards
Orioles better do something. Everyone else is getting better.
avenger65
If they move Cease, one of their so-called untouchables, look for Robert to be traded for the cheapest AA players they can find. If Cease is gone, I’m seriously going to find another team. I’ll have to see who the Yankees are playing. That’s the only way to see other teams play.
King of Cards
Lol
Play the Game
What is Cease going to do next year? If they get a haul move him.
CashOnTitties
As both a White Sox and Bulls fan I’ve considered putting the well-run franchises in a hat and forming a new allegiance. It’s doable since I picked up Liverpool as an adult and I’ve mostly lost interest in baseball and basketball because of how awful Reinsdorf is. We don’t have many years of professional sports left, I’d like to enjoy them.
texasfury93
Orioles are 99.9% getting Cease imo.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Astros’ farm doesn’t have enough to land Cease.
Astros Hot Takes
y’all keep saying that – I think Astros have enough farm to land anybody they need
King of Cards
No they don’t. But they have money and it just bought them Verlander.
Joshy
If a team wants a RHP or an Outfielder, yes. Infield or left handed pitching or catching, probably not.
stan lee the manly
They just gave away their top prospect and their number four prospect to get Verlander. Neither were even rated very highly outside of their system. That farm is WAY too barren to come even close to affording Cease
King of Cards
They got Verlander. They don’t need Cease anymore.
texasfury93
And yet, Gilbert is now the Mets #1 prospect. So much for not being highly rated.
Astros Hot Takes
@King, please explain what money just bought them Verlander – looks like to me that we just got a HOF TOR starter and a TON of cash back for two prospects
Astros Hot Takes
yo Tex – good front offices don’t read top 100 prospect rankings – they make their own, with the skills & knowledge and experience available to them. As Samuel is fond of saying, this is NOT rotisserie baseball
King of Cards
Dude I made the comment before all the details were released. The Astros gave up 2 good prospects.
But still it was the Astros money that helped make this happen. Other teams don’t want to take on Verlanders big contract. The Astros did and they got him.
Astros Hot Takes
Astros getting last year’s Cy Young winner for $20 million per season next 2 years and basically nothing for this season is one of the greatest values I can imagine. ANY contending or hopeful team, rich or poor, would pony up for that!
stymeedone
Cohen is paying over 50% of the contract. Its Mets Money!
Astros Hot Takes
bingo!
Ha-Seong Kim
If the Padres can land Eloy Jimenez, i’ll eat my shoe.
slidepiece
New manager is more of a starting point. Your shoes is safe
myaccount2
They aren’t firing Bob Melvin
Chicken In Philly?
Nor is Bob Melvin the problem. Because the team isn’t meeting expectations, he will probably be the scapegoat, but he is a good manager when it comes to all facets of the game, and he has a proven track record. The players don’t seem to show up consistently. One night they’re fired up and rolling, and the next they’re lethargic. Maybe there are a few too many buddies on this team, and they need to break that up.
myaccount2
They’ve also had terrible luck as evidenced by their expected W-L. They’ll make a run, I think.
BuJoBi
Dodgers could make a push for Cease, they have the young talent to make it work.
King Floch
Okay, now HERE is a reason for the Orioles to move some of that high end talent we’ve been stockpiling in the minors. I would make pretty much everyone on the farm except Holliday and Kjerstad available if the White Sox are genuinely open to pulling the trigger on a Cease deal.
jdizzle ATL Braves
I like it. I forgot about the O’s when I said Braves, Dodgers & Astros. I could see the O’s getting him.
CluHaywood
With that much control on a young, and extremely talented pitcher, not landing at least Kjerstad would be a huge L for the White Sox.
King Floch
The White Sox could still do VERY well without getting Kjerstad. Like 2 of Westburg, Cowser, Mayo, Basallo, Norby, Ortiz, etc. and then some.
AceKing
These are all legit Major Leaguers, blocked by Legit Major Leaguers
CluHaywood
You aren’t wrong, but this type of situation comes around almost never. 2 1/2 years of team control for a runner up Cy Young. It’s either several pieces or multiple top 7 in the org. And if any team could live with the cost, it’d be the O’s. Love to see Holliday, but that is a pipe dream. No way the O’s give him up, even for Cease
King Floch
For me personally, Kjerstad is virtually untouchable because I am not a huge believer in Ryan Mountcastle’s ability to reach his potential playing half of his games up against the mighty Walltimore and see HK’s lefty power bat as our 1B of the future, possibly as early as next month when rosters expand. Mike Elias obviously may feel differently though.
It’s also worth pointing out that the Orioles’ “and then some” is going to be better than a lot of other teams’ “and then some.” We have a number of guys who would be top 5-ish prospects in a lot of other organizations that are only fringe top 10 guys in Baltimore- Dylan Beavers, Cesar Prieto, Hudson Haskin, Cade Povich, Max Wagner, etc. Even without Holliday or Kjerstad, the White Sox could absolutely clean up on a Cease deal with the Orioles.
acoss13
I’ll take Baltimore’s prospects over any other team, they have the goods to trade for Cease, so if a deal does happen I hope Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn go with Baltimore.
C Yards Jeff
The O’s never cease to amaze me in their reluctance to move some of that saturated prospect stockpile.
King Floch
I read somewhere that the White Sox were unwilling to move off of Jackson Holliday as the centerpiece of a potential deal for Cease. If that is true, then the deal died in the cradle and rightfully so.
baseballfan90
Cease to the Phillies for Jake Cave and a couple of minor leaguers. Let’s make this happen!!!
Dog-Faced Gremlin
Jake Cave is your starting point?
Larry Brown's crank
Jake cave….lmao!
Kruk it
Cave and Josh Harrison
myaccount2
Maybe if those minor leaguers are Mick Abel and Griff McGarry or Justin Crawford. And I’m still not sure that’s enough. Might take all 3 or Painter if Chicago is okay waiting on his rehab.
baseballfan90
Dude that’s way too much of an overpay. Darick Hall would work. Cave, Hall, and Kingery would get accepted.
myaccount2
Ah, trolling, I see. I’ll leave you to it then. Seems like a waste of your day, but to each their own.
acoss13
Jake Cave? No thanks that’s an automatic hang up the phone from the White Sox, Cease has controllable years left and he’s a proven starter.
lesterdnightfly
joke comment about Jake Cave up here
WHOOOSH
accoss13’s awareness of joke down here.
acoss13
I realized that way too late so I just shut my mouth afterwards lol
stymeedone
Give you Baez for Cave.
jvent
Even thou the Mets are mostly selling, Can they go after Cease for the next 2 years of control ? Mauricio, Vientos and Allan or a different minor leaguer ?
kwolf68
Allan is not an asset at all, another serious injury, it’s egregious to offer him as even a third part of a package for a guy like Cease.
Motor City Beach Bum
I think you’re more talking Baty and Parada territory there with Cease
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
I can see AA going hard after Cease.
kma
Cubs will send the Sox Jeimer. Joking.
At least, that’s who the Cubs should have sent them six years ago instead of Cease.
kingsfan1968
Angels should be all in!
kma
They already are.
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
*Angelos
hiflew
Cease is under control for another year, so even a team that is out of it could make an offer. No one is out of it in 2024 yet.
mikeyst13
2 arb years left. Not a FA til 2026.
hiflew
Even more likely that it could be a surprising team to get him.
Jefferspin
white sox are
lesterdnightfly
except when they aren’t. Like now.
Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes
Mariners trade SP Bryan Woo, 1B/DH Ty France, 3B Tyler Locklear, OF Zach DeLoach, RP Prelander Berroa, SS Josh Hood to the White Sox for SP Dylan Cease, RP Gregory Santos, and DH/OF Eloy Jimenez
The White Sox get to save a ton of money, France can replace Eloy at DH for a fraction of the cost, while the Mariners get the upside from Jimenez bouncing back. Woo gives the White Sox a cost controlled starter for 6 seasons, Berroa is similar to Santos, but comes with an extra year of control, and DeLoach could immediately take over LF, while Locklear looks like he’ll be able to debut in 2024. This makes sense for the Mariners because Cease fits their window of competition and won’t need to have his innings watched down the stretch like Woo will need this year.
kwolf68
White Sox would and should say pizz off on that. That offer of a bunch of guys wouldn’t even get Cease alone. Woo and to a lesser extent Locklear are the only ones that interesting. You won’t get Cease without putting out 2 of your best 4 prospects, notice we didn’t see Ford, Miller, or Hancock mentioned.
Another armchair looking for controlled, proven TOR help for … stuff
Riga-Tony
That’s not even close enough a package for Cease alone much less Santos and Jimenez, are you crazy?? You didn’t include ANY of the Mariners top prospects, just a bunch of middling junk for a top of the rotation arm signed below market for the next year. C’mon.
myaccount2
I don’t think the White Sox would be even remotely interested in that trade. France’s value is pretty low right now. I like the odds of him bouncing back better than the odds that whoever he nets in return becoming valuable.
Astros Hot Takes
Frankly, Sox should extend this guy now. 8 years (including the 2 arb), $180 million
jdizzle ATL Braves
I like it. Build a rotation around him.
CluHaywood
Sox don’t extend pitchers. It’s why everyone knew Gio was gone. It’s why they are interested in listening on Cease. The one thing they do well is develop top of rotation and High Leverage pitchers. They never extend them.
sfu13
Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, and Aaron Bummer say “hello”
CluHaywood
Should have clarified. They don’t extend unless they are massively tilted in favor of the club.
sfu13
I hear ya, sorry if I came off as a condescending nozzle. I should have known what you meant.
CluHaywood
No, no. That is a fair point. The last pitcher they extended to fair market value burned Reinsdorf to the point of recurring nightmares.
chimaverick
Hes a Boras client, boras doesn’t re-sign unless it exceeds market value. His guys go to free agency
CluHaywood
That literally will not make a difference to the White Sox.
It will mean they won’t resign him in his FA year tho
hiflew
Their biggest contract in team history is the $75 million given to Benintendi this past year. Do you REALLY expect them to just dole out a $180 million contract?
CluHaywood
I have zero logical reason to expect this, but for some reason it feels like the White Sox will be seriously in on Ohtani. 2 players for the price…well two players honestly…but getting 2 positions for the cost of 1 is such a Reinsdorfian move.
ASapsFables
A contract extension for Dylan Cease at this point of his arbitration eligibility is a pipedream. The White Sox rarely extend pitchers unless it’s earlier in a starting pitchers service time window. Adding to the improbability is the fact that Cease is now represented by Scott Boras.
Baseball Reference still shows Cease as a clint of ACES. That is no longer the case. Cease hired Boras in January of 2022 during the MLB owners lockout and just ahead of his first arbitration eligible season.
cwsOverhaul
Hahn/KW would get fooled so easily like they did by Dombrowski w/Moncada & Kopech for Sale as a lesser version of this situation. A smart club will steer it toward highly ranked guys in their system, BUT guys who either lack the motor or makeup to overcome adversity. Those who are good at self-scouting which of its prospects are real vs fool’s gold can pull a solid late surprise here.
j_butte
The Moncada, Kopech return for Sale is exactly why GM’s should use their own evaluation and not Baseball America’s. That was considered a huge pay at the time.
This one belongs to the Reds
That’s after they said Cease and desist earlier…
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Dylan Cease for Drew Smyly. That’s as fair of trade as it was back in 2017 when the cubs traded Cease and Eloy for Jose Quintana.
stan lee the manly
If anything, the Cubs are going to be the butt of the joke as history repeats itself if they go after Cease. It’s about the same situation as the Quintana trade and it will take high end prospects.
Edelapena08
AJ preller let’s get this done
sss847
sox were able to flip 8 Giolito starts for a top 100 prospect.
hard to imagine anyone meeting whatever the asking price on Cease is
CluHaywood
Hahn may not evaluate talent well, but he is certainly a shrewd GM when it comes to trades.
sfu13
As a Sox fan, the Orioles are who Hahn should be talking to. Cease and Bummer for DL Hall, Cowser, one of Norby or Ortiz, Mayo, Jud Fabian, and two lotto tickets outside BAL’s top 30.
This one belongs to the Reds
I hope the kid GM is at least making a phone call.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Texas: Pérez, Carter, White, Duran, Otto, Barlow, Bratt, Kendrich, and a few junk players for Cease?
mrdxol
I don’t think this collection of 45s/50s is as near appealing as a package with headliner like say Coby Mayo.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Okay, but Carter is a 60.
JPopp9
White/Duran/Leiter + 2 lower level guys. That starts the convo.
BashBroJoe
I can get behind this as an Orioles fan. I bet you Coby Mayo is super close to getting it done considering Cease having a down year. Pull the trigger.
mrdxol
Cease’s FIP is considerably better than his ERA; he’s holding serve by fWAR. Mayo makes sense as a headliner, but at least two, maybe three other prospects would have to be included. Westburg, etc.
BashBroJoe
I strongly disagree lol Mayo, a mid level and a low level prospect. Unless they severely over pay.
mrdxol
That’s what the price for quality SPs is like right now. Midrotation rentals like Giolito and Montgomery commanded a mid-100 prospect. Stands to reason that Cease, who’s better than those two, is worth a mid-top 100 and a 45 for the next two months, and then a top 25ish dude like Mayo and another 45 or two for the next two years of his contract.
Mikey P
Question for non white sox and reds fan. As a reds fan I know I’m biased here.
Arroyo #24 overall
Ricardo Cabrera Reds #9
Jose Torres’s Reds #21
Carlos Sanchez Reds #28
Enough for Cease and Middleton?
YEP
I think Abbott, Phillips or Petty is your starting point.
mrdxol
No, and not very close. Two issues: one is that the SP market is nuts right now. Two months of Giolito and of J. Montgomery each returned a mid-top 100 prospect. They’re not as good as Cease. So a mid top 100 dude for the next two months of Cease, then probably a top-25ish guy and sweeteners for the two more years of him.
The second issue is that MLB pipeline is *way* higher on Arroyo than other prospect outlets. FG has Arroyo dropping from the top 100 altogether with their midseason update: he’s hitting just decent at Hi-A and defensive scouting reports don’t like him at SS.
zack novotny
what about my mock under this comment
FrankEttingChiSox
Arroyo and Phillips for Cease. Deal. I don’t have a strong opinion about Middleton so give me that #28 and we can call it in to the league office.
YEP
That Carlos Sanchez is 18 years old in rookie ball. Has a pretty decent arm to play 3rd, short, and right. Sounds worth a flyer.
sss847
probably not. sox are likely viewing the return that your squad got for castillo last year as the bare minimum return for cease, or they’ll just keep him if no one meets it.
mrdxol
Cease is controllable for an extra year from what Castillo was, so that would require another excellent prospect in addition to that package.
Mikey P
You can’t trade Marte and arroyonif your the reds. You could trade one. Neither was as high as when the reds acquired them. Then 1 fringe 100 guy and lower prospects. At best.
Spotswood
Did you see Cease’s start tonite? I don’t see him as a clear TOR arm. Too much variance. The more he pitches, the more last year looks like the outlier.
zack novotny
Dbacks get Cease & Burger
White Sox get Druw Jones, Pfaadt, Alexander, Walston and Fletcher
How does this mock trade look? Does either team pay to much?
I’m a dbacks fan… it’s hard to gauge because when you’re a fan of a team you always over value either prospects or current MLB players.
mrdxol
I think that would be a pretty close to fair if Druw Jones wasn’t looking really, really rough. Hurt constantly with really concerning things like shoulder tears, and swing-and-missing a ton when healthy. His stock is so low right now, he can’t be a headliner in a blockbuster.
Replace Jones with Lawlar, and I think CHW is ready to make a deal after arguing about sweeteners. But I know that’s asking quite a lot.
zack novotny
Yeah, to me Lawlar would be completely off the table I wouldn’t even do Cease for Lawlar straight up.
Xerostomia
Honestly, I think there is something wrong with Cease. This year he has an ERA+ 105, which is barely better than Tommy Henry (OPS+103),
Batters are hitting him hard (average exit velocity 14th percentile, hard hit 17th percentile) so he is not fooling anyone. That may play worse at Chase field.
If he was having a repeat of last year, I would definately have minimal issues trading the farm’ for a number 1 pitcher. However this season suggests he at most is league average, and would barely be the 3rd best pitcher for the Dbacks.
If the Dbacks were leading the division and on a collision course with the Braves even then I would not do it, because in that case I would rather have Scherzer or Verlander.
Xerostomia
Tommy Henry ERA+103, not OPS+
Spotswood
Xero – thank you. How many top arms only average 5.1 IP per start?
Cease has also lost a couple ticks on his velocity since ’21
lesterdnightfly
Will these rumors never Cease?
Atlanta Jack
Make it happen Rick, we need 3 of a teams top 8 prospects. Please Jerry and Kenny let Rick do his job. Let’s make this team exciting again.
Bostonsports85
Redsox need to get in on this one Verdugo , maybe bleis and a few more top 100 prospects???
YEP
Cease for Ortiz, Mayo, Hall and Denoyer.
SupremeZeus
Hahn isn’t moving Cease. He has to be able to at least feign they are fielding a competitive team and try to sell hope to any remaining Sox fans at Soxfest (snicker). Hahn has a no-show job until the boss joins the choir invisible.
pincrusher
Doubtful there will be a Soxfest next year. There has not been one for the last three years, and frankly, not many of us care that it was skipped this year.
The true Sox fans that are left (including me) would be happy if they move Cease for the right price; however, the fact remains, barring injury, Cease should still have a similarly high trade value next year (if not higher if he pitches better than this year). Unless the high price is matched today, there is no logical reason to move Cease now. The team will still be mediocre next year, but we know that mediocre can still be competitive in the weak AL Central.
Spotswood
“Cease should still have a similarly high trade value next year (if not higher if he pitches better than this year).”
I guess, unless he has another year like this year. That would make 5 very average seasons. And a guy that has shown he can’t pitch deep into games.
ArchRivals
For Cease, nearly everyone in baseball could/should be bidders. I hope St. Louis gets in on this. That would go a really long way towards this off-seasons’ homework. Donovan/Nootbaar as a starting point?
msqboxer
Cardinals don’t line up for Cease unless your talking Gorman and Liberatore..tired of listening to Cards fans trying to convince people that Nootbaar and Donovan have high ceilings when they were never ever rated in their top 30 prospects.
LACardsFan86
I’d be good with Gorman and Liberatore, sign me up. Gorman can play but we have two other good second baseman, and just traded for a second base prospect. At some point we’ve gotta trade hitters people want to build a rotation…if we want to win while Arenado and Goldschmidt can still play.
Fred K. Burke
If the White Sox are listening to trade offers for Cease. Then the Cubs should be asking Hahn what it would take to get Andrew Vaughn over to the North Side to play 1st Base.
ChiSoxCity
I said this was coming two years ago. The White Sox have been stuck in this “rinse, do-nothing, and repeat” cycle for decades. They won’t ever get a rebuild right because the damn owner. I don’t blame guys who don’t want to play for this organization, because it is pathetic.
Butter Biscuits
Dang it Freidman
angt222
Thought Cincy might swing the blockbuster..
MadBum14
Cry Dodgers!
Domingo111
Except for the Astros, white Sox, rangers and Mets that was a pretty lame deadline, there were a lot of moves but apart from those 4 teams not a lot of high profile players have been moved with few exceptions (quero, manzardo)
Atlanta Jack
I’m done with this team until they get a new front office. The chairman has owned the team for over 40 years. In all those years you would think he could have found somebody he could trust to run this team the right way but no he lets the same people run the team terribly year after year after year.. I’m done!!
CardsFan57
Translation. The White Sox realize no one is meeting their price for Cease.
Atlanta Jack
Thanks for all that hustle Jake. Hustle just isn’t part of the White Sox way of playing baseball.
nrd1138
Such a Hahn move.. wait til the ‘last minute’ and then go ‘we will consider offers for Cease’…. Im glad he (Cease, not Hahn, hopefully Hahn is gone this offseason.. yeah right) is not going anywhere, at least this season.. If the Sox are still like they are now at this time next season (wait, who am I kidding?) then I see Cease being moved for other pieces. Its also not exactly a great message when you say Cease is off limits, and then, again, at the last minute say “Oh wait, never mind, he is”… (and yeah I get the feelings of the player mean little when trading). What a clown show of an org…
Atlanta Jack
Who is the genius who traded Dave Dunning? Must have been another Hahn mistake.
nrd1138
Yeah. Hahn traded him for Lynn cause, yknow, the ‘Window to win’ was upon them (it wasn’t). Another trade that showed Hahn and his scouts do not really know what they are doing… I get that they wanted a ‘top caliber’ ace type, but get one that is closer to their prime than 5-10 years prior, and don’t give up on a guy who was not far away from helping you club in the first place (like Dunning). Then again this was the same org that moved Gio Gonzalez twice.