The trade deadline is upon is! Teams have until 5pm CT today to complete trades. This is the fifth year of the one true trade deadline — it’s been a half decade since MLB officially did away with revocable August trade waivers and capped all trades of Major League players (i.e. anyone presently on a 40-man roster or who has, at some point, previously been on a 40-man roster at any point in the current season). With so much possible activity, today’s Opener will be asked to cover more than one inning, so to speak. Here are six things we’ll be watching most keenly today…
1. Will Verlander be on the move?
The Mets already traded Max Scherzer to the Rangers, David Robertson to the Marlins and Mark Canha to the Brewers. Major League Baseball’s largest-ever payroll has begun to be whittled down as a wildly disappointing Mets roster is picked apart and sold off at the trade deadline. There’s no bigger name on the Mets — and perhaps no bigger name in the sport — on the trade market right than Justin Verlander now. Mets general manager Billy Eppler has spoken to his counterparts with the Astros, Dodgers and others about a potential deal involving Verlander. The three-time Cy Young winner is still owed about $14.444MM of this year’s salary, plus $43.333MM for the 2024 campaign — his age-41 season. And, if Verlander reaches 140 innings in 2024, he’ll trigger a $35MM player option for the 2025 season. Verlander has a full no-trade clause that only further complicates a potential deal.
The Mets will also be active elsewhere. Outfielder Tommy Pham is a free agent at season’s end and a veritable lock to be traded. Lefty Brooks Raley is controlled through 2024 via club option but could easily be dealt. Catcher Omar Narvaez and righty Adam Ottavino both have player options for the 2024 season (though the former has struggled badly and seems likely to exercise his).
2. The Tigers’ inevitable trade(s)
There aren’t many likelier players to be traded today than Tigers righty Michael Lorenzen. The team’s lone All-Star representative is playing on a one-year, $8.5MM deal and has delivered a solid 3.58 ERA, 19.9% strikeout rate, 6.5% walk rate and 42.2% grounder rate in 105 2/3 innings for a selling Tigers club. He’s drawn interest from the Orioles, Marlins and Astros, among others.
Left-hander Eduardo Rodriguez isn’t as straightforward a trade candidate, given the three years and $49MM remaining on his contract after the current season. He can opt out of that remaining sum at season’s end, however, which creates ample risk for any acquiring team; Rodriguez would only forgo that opt-out if he pitched poorly enough and/or suffered a notable injury following a trade to warrant it. Effectively, if he pitches well, he’s a rental. If he flames out or gets hurt, the new team is on the hook for this year’s remaining salary plus another three years and $49MM. E-Rod has still pitched well enough to merit widespread interest, though he’s struggled in two of four starts since returning from a six-week absence due to a tendon injury in his finger.
3. All eyes on Flaherty, Carlson, DeJong in St. Louis
The Cardinals’ widely expected sell-off has already seen Jordan Montgomery, Chris Stratton and Jordan Hicks shipped out — and by president of baseball operations John Mozeliak’s own admission, it’s likely not over. Right-hander Jack Flaherty is right up there alongside the aforementioned Lorenzen when talking about the likeliest players to be traded today. The 27-year-old righty is a free agent at season’s end who has posted a decent (if unspectacular) 4.43 ERA in 109 2/3 innings. Flaherty’s fastball, strikeout rate and walk rate have all gone the wrong direction since his 2018-21 peak, but the demand for pitching is strong and the Cardinals will likely find a deal.
Shortstop Paul DeJong’s glove and ability to hit lefties should lead to him being moved, too, and the Cardinals have ostensibly been shopping outfielder Dylan Carlson after pushing him to a bench role.
4. What’s next for the Mariners?
The Mariners won more games than any team in baseball in July. They also traded closer Paul Sewald to the D-backs yesterday, shipped struggling veteran AJ Pollock to the Giants, and have reportedly at least listened on Teoscar Hernandez, Ty France and some members of their outstanding young rotation. The Mariners are only 3.5 games out of the AL Wild Card spot. Many will assume they’re straight sellers after the Sewald trade and the rumors of listening on several veterans, but Seattle president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto added Major League-ready help in the Sewald talent and could very well end up blurring the line between “buyer” and “seller,” as he’s done multiple times in the past. As usual, the Mariners are one of the most interesting teams to watch as the deadline looms.
5. How will the Padres approach the deadline?
The Padres swept the AL West-leading Rangers over the weekend and have pulled themselves to within three games of the .500 mark. In a largely underwhelming season, they’ve begun to turn the tide and now sit just five games back in the NL Wild Card hunt. Owner Peter Seidler pushed back on the notion of “reversing course” and selling players earlier this month, and San Diego is reportedly on the lookout for bullpen help and upgrades to the offense. There’d been talk of potential trades involving free-agents-to-be Blake Snell and/or Josh Hader, but the team’s recent play and Seidler’s commitment to the 2023 season set the stage for president of baseball operations AJ Preller to once again add to the roster.
6. Will the Yankees sell?
The Yankees don’t have much to sell, but they’re said to be open to offers on impending free agents. That opens the door for possible deals of center fielder Harrison Bader, southpaw reliever Wandy Peralta and/or utilityman Isiah Kiner-Falefa; the rest of the Yankees’ rental players (Josh Donaldson, Luis Severino, Frankie Montas) haven’t been healthy enough and/or productive enough to carry much in the way of trade value. If the Yankees were willing to take it a step further and sell off players controlled/signed through the 2024 season, that’d be far more interesting. Gleyber Torres and Clay Holmes, in particular, would be intriguing trade candidates in that scenario.
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There are, of course, plenty of other storylines to watch throughout the day. The White Sox could continue to sell. The Brewers want another bat. Neither the Reds nor the Orioles have added the pitching they’ve reportedly sought. The Twins have been looking for bullpen help and a right-handed bat. Do the Angels or Rangers have another move up their sleeve? The Phillies have been looking at right-handed bats. Will the Braves get the bullpen arm they’re seeking? And the possibility of a last-minute, unexpected entrant joining the trade market always looms on deadline day.
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This one belongs to the Reds
I am convinced the Reds will not make a meaningful deal and get that starting pitcher they desperately needed for a couple months now. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they jettison Newman amd Senzel for whatever they can get to cut payroll instead. I hope they do the same with Weaver.
Surprise me.
Cincyfan85
Debbie Downer over here.
jbryant0693
Reds don’t need a starting pitcher, really. The starters had a 3.40 ERA in July and they’ve got Greene and Lodolo coming back with Phillips for promotion from AAA. If the Reds can acquire an elite SP without mortgaging the farm, go for it, otherwise another bullpen piece makes sense.
VonPurpleHayes
Some Front Offices don’t leak. It doesn’t mean the Reds aren’t working on something.
lesterdnightfly
“Some Front Offices don’t leak.”
Yes, the Reds FO learned a lot when they had Mike Leake.
VonPurpleHayes
You, my friend, just won this thread. Well done.
RSmith
I’d Votto for him.
sportsarerigged
Tobttr- what do you suggest they do? Specific targets? Which ones?
This one belongs to the Reds
I don’t see them going after a Verlander for sure or even Rodriguez with his contract. No one knows everyone available, but someone like say, Lorensen or any competent veteran starter that gives six plus innings would be a big boost, especially with Greene and Lodolo out until late August at the earliest and the bullpen starting to show signs of wear at the end of July. Even Diaz has been running on fumes lately.
They have starter prospects in the system yet that are probably in play next season. People talk about Phillips but he has been in AAA about five minutes. They don’t rush prospects so September at the earliest for him if no backsliding. All of the prime prospect guys are in AA and lower. So even a rental works if all it costs is a mid level prospect or two.
They really missed the boat on Civale, in my opinion, a guy who would have been around a while. I was happy with them adding a lefty with some team control to an overworked bullpen, their only lefty more than anyone. If they make the playoffs, two lefties down there will be big.
jbryant0693
Civale was traded for a top 40 MLB prospect. So you’d have traded CES, or Marte, for Civale?
Mattimeo09
Civale isn’t a lefty
This one belongs to the Reds
They didn’t add Civale, just a bullpen lefty.
This one belongs to the Reds
CES, no but Marte, yes.
sportsarerigged
Verlander- so the asstros are savvy because instead of signing him they would rather give up significant prospects to reacquire?
JoeBrady
they would rather give up significant prospects to reacquire?
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What makes you say that? Scherzer got a fringy top-100 prospect in return and the NYMs picked up about 60% of his salary.
If the Astros get Verlander back in a similar deal, I’d say that was extremely savvy. Same with TX getting Scherzer for $16M per.
sportsarerigged
And revisiting this one since it’s fresh. “Asstros sending their top prospect….” Still a good strategic move?
sportsarerigged
1st and 4th prospect. Super savvy
mikeyst13
Reds are in a tough spot. They are a team on the rise that is ahead of their rebuild schedule in a division that for the most part is going backwards. I get that the division is there for the taking and fans want them to make a splash move to make a run which puts some pressure on them to do so, but at the same time you don’t want to give up too many future pieces.
southi
This day could end up very interesting.
TheWomanWithTheGlassEye
I’ll get the spicy pork with fried rice instead of white.
Sportsmutt
White Pork? So many inappropriate jokes coming to mind.
Brian 38
Who still needs a starting pitcher upgrade? Feels like the buyers are thinning out to some degree.
Poolhalljunkies
Every contending team could benefit from more/better pitching
Brian 38
In theory, sure. But I think we can get deeper than the stock answer. Like is Texas in on Verlander or Ed-Rod? I doubt it.
Maybe I should reword it as something like: Who still has starting pitchers as their highest priority?
drasco036
The Cubs need a starter, freaking Stroman hasn’t been able to get anyone out since London. Smyly hasn’t been very good either.
Cubs need a mid-rotation starter, and given that the returns haven’t been great, should be all over it. Then the Cubs need to put Smyly and Stroman on the IL because they have to have dead arm or something.
ROCKY07
Looks like the bubble has burst on Stroman
PaulyMidwest
Smyly looked good the other. Night but agree n Stroman. We shoulda sold high on him.
drasco036
He looked okay but he only pitched 3 or 4 innings and ended up throwing four straight none competitive pitches to Walker.
I don’t really have an issue having an “opener” for Smyly but I’d like that opener to be Brown. Really speed guys bats up and then force them to deal with Smyly throwing slow breaking pitches from the other side. Wesneski is fine as an opener as well but I prefer his look coming in behind Hendricks and Steele
King Floch
The Orioles are a pretty clear suitor for at least one starter, but I suspect Mike Elias is waiting for the asking prices to come down as 6pm approaches and the remaining sellers are forced to take lesser returns or risk getting nothing.
I’ll put my money on Michael Lorenzen being the winning pony.
Motor City Beach Bum
Arizona, Cincy, Baltimore are the three with unaddressed starter needs. SF, Cubs, Philly, NYY, Boston, Tampa, Atlanta, Houston and even Texas r the Angels could still get involved and upgrade. It’s still wide open and a sellers market.
Brian 38
@ Motor CIty – I’m not sure how far up the SP food chain NYY, BOS, ATL, or TEX will go. Didn’t SFG say they were opening to trading away SPs?
Motor City Beach Bum
SF has been waffling on trying SPs with injuries. Some if the articles still list those teams as looking for starters (I.e. Atlanta for Lorenzen).
stymeedone
Harris has 4 pitchers to trade in E-Rod, Lorenzen, Shreve, and Cisnero. I hope someone has told him there is a deadline today. The only excuse for not trading them is if the Tigers extend them. At least the Reds and Orioles haven’t filled their needs yet.
For Love of the Game
I’d rather keep E-Rod and Lorenzen for a stronger finish to the season than trade them for a team’s #20 prospect who has the upside of a utility guy. At least it would help re-build the culture of winning.
houstondodgerblue
This is the exact sentiment that I wish teams and fans would support more. The Tigers have had a realistically successful season based on their preseason projections. Let the team see what it feels like to finish the season and try to build that fan base optimism. I know it’s not popular but thank you for the support of winning in the long term.
stymeedone
JD Martinez had less upside than that #20 prospect, as every team passed on him when he was waived. Curtis Granderson was a fringe prospect that got his opportunity because Maybin got injured. I want to see if Harris can get that player, see those intangibles that others miss, and find the unexpected. It would also be nice to see him get back a true prospect. Letting this go by without doing anything would indicate to me that he’s not capable. He’s done nothing to this point (other than cut Candelario). He needs to show his worth.
nate708
Granderson was a fringe prospect that got a chance because of an injury to Maybin? What?
Motor City Beach Bum
He picked up some useful pieces in tradesfor mow and later (Malloy, Vierling), signed Lorenzen and found some useful parts (Holton, McKinistry et al). I agree not signing Candelario was a mistske in hindsight. I want to see a good return that moves the needle at the deadline or my support for him will waver, but he hasn’t done nothing.
For Love of the Game
The Tigers got 3 low-level prospects for JDM. The only one who ever saw the Big Leagues was Sergio Alcantara, a AAAA player. Yes, some of them work out, but the vast majority don’t.
Motor City Beach Bum
Or rework Erods deal and ship Lorenzen to a contender for something useful. They could both be resigned in the offseason if they want to shell out the money and bring them back. I say get the best return now. I’d be okay if thry brought either one back in the offseason.
The Einheri
Would it take much to get Harrison Bader from the Yankees?
Captain-Judge99
It depends on what team would be asking? He’s obviously not going to any team in the AL East. If a prospect is not in a team’s top 8-15 list then forget it.
mikeyst13
I get that there aren’t a ton of bats on the market, but expecting that kind of return on a rental who is slashing .256/.283/.417, is allergic to taking a walk, and has struggled to stay healthy is a hell of an ask. The defense helps, but the return seems like it would be a lower ranked prospect or 2 with some upside.
Ferpad
I think it depends on which team’s top 8-15. No way they can get that from someone like the Rays or Orioles as those systems are loaded (division foe not counting). I’d move Bader and all the pending free agents for whatever they can get…none of those guys will be/should be resigned.
Eat all the Severino money and someone will take a chance on him. Peralta, Bader and IKF have some value. Montas and Donaldson are worth nothing.
Simm
Padres are the most interesting team to see what they do today. Nothing would surprise me.
They could turn and sell hader, lugo and snell.
They could do some small adds
They could surprise with a big splash
They could do absolutely nothing
Most likely they won’t sell and will add some small additions. You just don’t know because they have been so quiet. At the same time you know preller has had a million conversations about every possible scenario.
RSmith
Yankees are a mess. Over the threshold. No players valuable enough to sell, bad contracts, farm not producing. Reminds me of Red Sox circa 2019.
Yankees have more bad contracts than Red Sox had.
Red Sox had more expiring contracts and much worse farm system.
But, at the end of the day, they are very similar situations, 4 years apart.
jbryant0693
Such a shame. Hate to see it.
Joe says...
So far it’s been Cashman fiddles while the Yankees burn.
JoeBrady
To be fair, Cashman not only probably doesn’t know whether he wants to buy or sell, he might need Hal’s permission. I doubt he can sell off whatever remains without Hal buying into it.
PaulyMidwest
Is that a emperor Nero joke.
lesterdnightfly
Hey, Rome wasn’t destroyed in a day….
Armaments216
The Yankees could make some salary dump moves with losing teams that have payroll space, if they’re willing to attach something else of value. Donaldson to the Nationals for example.
BillGiles
I didn’t realize how poor Flaherty’s control has been. I was thinking of a package deal of him and O’Neill but I don’t think they would help. Lorenzen seems much more helpful.
Captain-Judge99
If the Cardinals offer O’Neill and Flaherty they’ll get a better package back obviously then offering a Carlson-Flaherty package.
playhard9
Nope totally inaccurate. Carlson has three more years and has more value than O’Neill. O’Neill has only one year and lower value due to all the injuries. Carlson has all the tools to be a very good player. He has been jerked around by management and his own injury history.
Sportsmutt
Case of Carlson will get more, but I’d rather us keep TON.
jvent
Do the yanks want an OF signed beyond this year still the Mets will trade you Marte for Matinaccio, Holmes or King plus the Phillies want Pham we’ll take Orion Kerkering so for 2 of our OF’d we’ll get 2 bullpen pieces
VonPurpleHayes
Kekering is a massive overpay for Pham.
VonPurpleHayes
But I can totally see it happen unfortunately
JoeBrady
the Mets will trade you Marte for…..
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No, you won’t trade him for anything. He’s not only way under-water, his skills might not be good enough that Cohen can buy his way out of the contract.
HCCanuck
The Blue Jays will be interesting to watch today. They have made it clear they are buyers with the acquisition of Hicks over the weekend.
It looked like they were going to add a lefty hitter and/or 2nd base upgrade. Does the injury to Bichette change their plans and they pivot to acquiring a shortstop?
They have a fairly solid front 4 in their rotation, but do they risk Manoah and/or Ryu as the back end?
Does the injury to their closer Romano mean they want/need another high leverage reliever?
Or do they decide this year is not their year with (arguably) their best position player and best reliever out for an undetermined amount of time?
jvent
Mets have Ottavino or Raley for them we’ll take Manoah
HCCanuck
We’ll be taking Pham later on today for a lottery ticket, you can keep the rest.
solaris602
I can see the Jays taking DeJong by default. If Bichette is gonna be out longer than 2 weeks they’ll need that insurance policy.
HCCanuck
Prior to Bichettes injury I figured Pham was more likely targeted by the Jay’s, now I can see both. Does DeJong play any 2nd base? I could see him getting shifted over if/when Bichette comes back.
whyhayzee
If this season has taught us anything, it’s that anybody can beat anybody. Getting to the playoffs is the obvious mission, but it doesn’t end there. There should be no surprises in the postseason, just lots of entertaining games.
Goose
The funny thing is Flaherty has said he was going to free agency no matter what. You would think the Cardinals would look at how he has never bounced back and they would move him for a reasonable price. From what the reports are they are looking for a top 5 prospect.
DanUgglasRing
For the first time in a very long time, it appears “the cardinal way” is outdated and costing them in a huge way.
Sportsmutt
For the first time? Only to people that haven’t been paying attention. It’s been apparent that our strategies have been hurting us for a while. How many playoff series have we won since 2014? Since that one series we won, how many playoff games period have we won? Since our last World Series, the “Cardinal Way” has been to save money by investing in solid non-stars to make sure we don’t ever have a season like this one. Oops. Looks like playing not to lose is not a winning strategy.
DanUgglasRing
They have had a remarkably consistent run of making the playoffs that most teams would kill for. I never insinuated that they were perfect, just consistently far better than this. The Marmol appointment alone is a huge show of disarray in the FO.
King Floch
“From what the reports are they are looking for a top 5 prospect.”
Lol, good luck with that, Cardinals.
briar-patch thatcher
I will forever be fascinated by the savvy of the Astros in the Verlander situation IF they’re able to pull this off. They flat out didn’t want to pay him that deal—even though he deserved it—because they knew he wanted to play in Houston and there were ways to reacquire.
Cashman’s leash is shorter than everyone thinks. Here’s my call and you heard it here first: he’s fired if they miss the playoffs. Boone too. AND, they’d bring Girardi back. Yankee fans, still have a pulse?
The Cardinals FO is, well, the Cardinals. Everyone knows who the Cardinals are. They think they’re smarter that everyone else (see ‘Midwest Yankees’ in the dictionary). The Luhnow debacle was really weird. 2011 was all Freese.
Ohtani needs to be on the Red Sox so we can see if he’s the real deal in a high-pressure historic franchise market. Fin.
VonPurpleHayes
I wonder if Verlander wants to go back to Houston. What does that prove? He already won there. I mean he clearly loved his time there, but I wonder if he prefers another contender just for the sake of another accomplishment. At the end of the day he’ll be happy going to whatever contender works out this complex trade scenario.
ROCKY07
You’re dreaming if you think Ohtani is electing to play in Beantown….
JoeBrady
I don’t think that Cashman is a terrible GM or anything, but it feels like he is reacting more than pre-acting in the last year or two. The whole Montgomery-Montas-Bader thing, the 6 years for DJ when they didn’t really even have an open position for him, going into 2021 with no lefty batters on the roster except Gardner, promoting Volpe at age 21 despite weak AAA results and a decent alternative in IKF, kind of ignoring Peraza’s development.
RSmith
Cashman is a bad GM. Who makes that Stanton deal other than him?
Yankees have the best scouting and development of money can buy. Theyve spent more on team payroll than any other teams. Yet since 2009, they havent been back to WS once.
Maybe not “terrible” but not far from it. As a Red Sox fan I hope the give him a life-time contract.
JoeBrady
As a RS fan, I like having Cash stay with the NYY.
Maybe what I should’ve said is that he doesn’t have a bad eye for talent, but he lacks organizational skills, much like Preller, or whatever the NYM are trying to do.
He’s developed a good BP without spending much. But the big moves are mostly blowing up on him. I just don’t see the organizational direction.
RSmith
Agreed.
I think the days of throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at players are over. It not as easy to dismiss (aka penalties) the money once the contract goes bad. Stanton, Judge, Rodon, etc. They need. a new Team Building Model.
VonPurpleHayes
The Stanton deal defines this era’s Yankees. The Yankees definitely had a lot of bad luck with injuries, so I can’t put this all on Cashman. And to be fair, the Yankees made the playoffs almost every year in the Cashman era.
RSmith
“made the playoffs almost every year”.
I feel if your payroll is Number 1 in the American League almost every year, you should be one of the top 6 out of 15 teams. That isn’t that special.
VonPurpleHayes
I think it means more now than it used to with more teams spending. It’s still an impressive feat and leads to lots of revenue.
RSmith
To me the best GMs in the game are the Atlantas, Tampa Bays, San Frans. Teams that are almost always competitive without breaking the bank. Conversely a team like San Diego is one of the worst. I feel Yankees are more similar to what the Padres are doing right now, than the Braves.
Im a ‘Build a Team from Within’ guy, not ‘Buy a Team’.
Paleobros
Wonder why mlbtr often lists things happening by Central Time. One would think either Eastern or Pacific rather than a zone in the middle.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
The owner is a Cubs’ fan. He may live in Illinois, which may be where the office is located (if it isn’t remote).
Troy Percival's iPad
Honestly, one of my favorite quirks of this website. Adjusting Central time to Eastern after the rest of my funzies
gbs42
Because their founder lives in Chicagoland.
JoeBrady
And he wants to punish the rest of us with more common sense?
gbs42
How is using one time zone “more common sense” than another? Seems more like coastal bias. If someone can’t convert from one time zone to another, that’s sad.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
I just said that. I guess you missed that since you have me blocked over my negative comments regarding Miami’s inactive GM.
StreakingBlue
Because central time always gets the short stick so good to be considered the prime spot for once
TroyVan
People (on Twitter) don’t understand the risk of signing E-Rod. I’ve tried, in vain, explaining that the risk will be factored in to the deal. They all seem to think he’s going to bring in a top-top prospect. I don’t see a top 10. Lorenzen, on the other hand, I do see a top 10 because there is next to no risk involved.
RSmith
“Try in vain” again. Im not seeing what youre seeing.
That contract has been fine for the Tiger. 2.5 BWar over 2 years for 28M.
With a 148 ERA+ and 1.030 Whip at mid-season, they will net a very nice prospect or two. I dont know what you consider a “top-top prospect”, but at the end of the day, this contract will have been a big win for Tigers.
For Love of the Game
A team acquiring Lorenzen would pay him $2.8 mill. for the rest of the season, and that is all. A team acquiring E-Rod would pay him $4.9 mill. for the rest of this season, and also be on the hook for another $49 mill. for the next three years if the guy blows out his elbow or otherwise tanks and doesn’t opt out. E-Rod’s contract is a “heads I lose, tails I lose” contract. If he succeeds, you lose him to free agency; if he fails, you eat a big contract. Get it now? That’s what makes Lorenzen an easier pill to swallow.
RSmith
No I dont get it.
I was responding to “People (on Twitter) don’t understand the risk of signing E-Rod.” What does Lorenzen have to do with whether or not ERod is a net win contract? Lorenzen will net a bigger haul, but, that is not ERods fault.
ERod has 185 starts since 2015, among the leaders in the entire league. He’s gonna get hurt between now and October? Thats a risk A LOT of other teams would take, considering the improved chances of a WS win.
“heads I lose, tails I lose” So he gets traded to a team that wins the WS, then he walks. Thats a loss in your book for the team trading for him? Not to me it isnt.
For Love of the Game
E-Rod isn’t so good that his mere presence allows a team to win the World Series. Having the opt-out increases the risk of trading for him compared to the risk if he didn’t have the opt-out. It doesn’t make a deal impossible; it just means that the acquiring team has to assess the risk of injury when making an offer. That risk diminishes E-Rod’s trade value. Stymeedone’s risk-sharing idea is one way to get a deal done.
TroyVan
Spot on.
King Floch
Because the team that trades for E-Rod is taking all of the risk- if he is good the rest of the way, he will opt out; if he collapses or blows out his elbow, he will opt in to the remaining $50 milliin on his deal.
It would actually be better for the Tigers if he was a pure rental.
Troy Percival's iPad
I get the risk involved if E-Rod blows out his elbow three weeks from now, but this is baseball, not an insurance company. Scared money don’t make money. Do you want Lorenzen in a deciding game, or E-Rod?
More broadly speaking, do you want to win, or not?
RSmith
“It would actually be better for the Tigers if he was a pure rental.”
Thx Capt Obvious.
Tons of pitchers have “opt-outs” in their contracts. In fact I’d say the majority of the Top Free Agent pitcher get an opt-out. ERod doesnt sign in Detroit for that low of an AAV without one. So never sign a top pitcher if he asks for an opt-out?
I didnt realize there was this much hate in Detroit for ERod.
TroyVan
All I was saying is that the risk will be factored into the return. Yes, you are getting a solid #2 starter for a post season run. But, you are also gambling $49 million dollars. There’s probably a 95% chance E-Rod goes on to opt out and sign a lucrative deal somewhere. It’s that 5% chance of losing a $49 million wager that is gonna have a buying GM driving down the return.
King Floch
@RSmith
Untwist thy panties, I wasn’t even responding to you lol.
And as far as what Lorenzen has to do with E-Rod, they are both available pitchers on the same team. Comparing their potential value to other teams (and thus the potential return for the Tigers) is neither strange nor unreasonable. It really isn’t hard to understand and definitely isn’t something to get so upset about.
lesterdnightfly
Thanks for restating what the article said. But they said it perfectly well.
King Floch
I’m an Orioles fan, my dude.
Stay mad lol.
lesterdnightfly
didnt …. learn. these … your, not you’re …
It also takes some time to learn grammar and punctuation, eh?
TroyVan
I’m talking about the return and how the risk associated with E-Rod will be factored into any deal they make. What is a Top-Top prospect? A team’s top 10, for sure.
And, it has been a great salary drive for E-Rod this year. Last year, not so much as he gave Detroit only 91 innings of mediocre service. Even so, it has been a win for the Tigers.
RSmith
I agree with that Troy, but think he will net a good (top 10) prospect, because teams become stupid at this time of year. You only have to find 1 team that wants him really bad, to net a decent haul.
The good thing about this debate, we’ll be able to find out in 8 hours.
stymeedone
So the Tigers cover part of the risk if he opts in. Simple fix. They covered part of Fielder. They covered part of Verlander. Its not like they haven’t done it before.
TroyVan
Well, I said much the same thing; a contingency plan to help cover part of E-Rod’s salary, should he get hurt. Prince was just a straight up trade with cash to cover a portion of his salary, no contingencies involved.
TroyVan
Matt Sheppard is saying the Oriole’s got Lorenzen and Cisneros.
TroyVan
No, Jon Morosi tweeted that. Shep just retweeted it
TroyVan
Forget what I said about the O’s. It was a fake tweet. Shep fell for it, too.
angelsfan4life
The Angels need to add another starter and reliever. The starters that they could possibly get, might not be better than what they currently have. With what teams are looking for in return. Unless they add Moniak, they don’t have what it will take. So adding a reliever will probably be more realistic.
Fg-3
It’s been since 2016 when the Yankees really sold. Being 3 1/2 out of wild card it’s strange that they have done absolutely nothing. I’m not sure if the top brass there just doesn’t care if they win. They just pile up more and more money every year. Its amazing that this is the same team that Big George used to run. As a fan they have made some fun moves like Stanton who has been awful. I mean just awful. The Donaldson trade.. just terrible. What are we worried about money for? Like why is the richest franchise in MLB worried about money. This is why free agents don’t want to come here. Because they are not about winning anymore. It’s just all about the money. It’s not the Yankees anymore
StreakingBlue
I would like more info (if possible) on what the Cardinals are seeking as far as a return on Jack Flaherty. I think he would be a good pitcher for the Dodgers. Of course I am biased, but wonder if the Cards are asking for a very high return?
Hondo92
Brave’s GM could still pull something wickedly clever like getting Alcantara for half as much as Verlander. Yes it would require a heap in return but he’s worth it.
Troy Percival's iPad
‘As usual, the Mariners are one of the most interesting teams to watch as the deadline looms.’ DiPoto pushing buttons to make it look like he’s doing something isn’t as interesting to see as it was 5 years ago. He traded his closer again. Did he lose a bet? He’s not good enough to move the needle nor bad enough to do something so dumb as to get fired, and has a podcast, I guess. I could do better than him.
lesterdnightfly
Ok, if you can do better than DiPoto, show us your moves. And it should be quick , as you have 5.5 hours as of this notice. Clock is running….
samtb13
The Mariners are on a roll, the rest of their schedule is easier than everyone else’s and I believe they’ll win 40 more games which could land them in 1st place in our division. It would be sad if they didn’t try to get some BIG NAME SLUGGER…there just isn’t a lot of obvious options available to trade for but sometimes these moments define your GM (Jerry Dipoto) and he’s been know to pull off crazy trades at the last minute! It’s like going home for Christmas as a 19 year old….you know your parents probably done buying childhood toys and spoiling the s*** out of you but you’re still holding out hope that there’s something awesome under the tree for you!! ❤️⚾
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I know , all this talk of trading France and Teo is disconcerting. We need to add more hitters; not subtract.