The Padres are shutting down starter Joe Musgrove for three weeks after an MRI revealed inflammation in the capsule of his throwing shoulder, the team informed reporters (including Dennis Lin of the Athletic). While the club is hopeful he’ll be able to return at some point this season, he doesn’t figure to be back until well into September at the earliest.
San Diego placed Musgrove on the 15-day injured list before today’s matchup with the Dodgers. Trade pickup Rich Hill takes his spot on the active roster. San Diego also reinstated Eguy Rosario from the 60-day injured list and optioned him to Triple-A. The Friars cleared a 40-man spot by designating Brent Honeywell for assignment a couple days ago.
Musgrove began the season on the IL after breaking his toe in a Spring Training weight room accident. He was back on the Petco Park mound by late April and has again been one of the sport’s better starters. Over 17 appearances, the righty has tallied 97 1/3 innings of 3.05 ERA ball. He’s striking hitters out at a 24.3% clip against a tidy 5.3% walk rate.
It’s the kind of production the Friars have come to expect from the 30-year-old righty. Musgrove has an ERA of 3.18 or better in each of the past three seasons. He posted a career-low 2.93 mark over 30 starts last season. Midway through the year, the San Diego native signed a $100MM extension — seemingly sacrificing some earning upside to stick with his hometown club.
It doesn’t seem the Friars were aware of the seriousness of Musgrove’s injury at the deadline. The club scratched him from his scheduled start Wednesday morning but initially hoped he’d return to the mound next week. That won’t happen but makes their Tuesday acquisition of Hill all the more important. The former Pirate will assume a rotation role behind Blake Snell, Yu Darvish, Seth Lugo and perhaps Nick Martinez. Righty Michael Wacha is also on the shelf with a shoulder issue.
Rosario, 23, debuted with seven games for the Friars last season. He’d missed the first four months after breaking his ankle over the offseason.
Well that’ll put a lot more pressure on them to win now
For sure, they need things to break right the last couple months to make a run, this isn’t a good start post trade deadline.
if musgrove misses ROS and pads make a WC, it’ll be interesting to see who the 3rd man up in the rotation is between wacha and lugo
It will be a bullpen day with Martinez or Lugo as the bulk pitcher.
I should have clarified. I meant in a divisional, nl championship or World Series set
Huge loss for the Padres. I gotta imagine if this happens 4 days earlier they would have made some trades, not that they did anything wrong. Just bad luck and bad timing.
Yeah, they probably would’ve went even more in as buyers knowing this news. 42 year old Rich Hill isn’t gonna cut it and Nick Martinez isn’t gonna cut it.
Tough call. They got an uphill battle but also a lot of talent. But this hurts losing Musgrove.
I’m a Dodger fan but I really want to see the Padres fight well to the end. Always more fun to have the tough competition. Also wouldn’t mind a chance for payback from last year’s series. Great team just not putting it together so far.
nope. it was FANTASTIC seeing the padres healthy and failing. that fan base deserves it for getting so cocky with still zero championships to show for it. feel for Joe tho; rough season.
anyways… we have tough competition with the Giants and Dbags. not to mention the Braves. careful what you wish for.
Hill had already thrown 119 ip.
He had 3 starts left before the wheels fall off. If he is lucky.
Cry for Preller all you want, he won’t be there by the next presidential election cycle.
More about the fan’s. I don’t have much positive to say about their GM.
He signed an extension through 2026 and the team has sold out 40 something home games this season. Somehow I think his job is pretty safe.
Now if the Padres don’t compete for a playoff spot next season he might be in a little trouble, but he isn’t right now.
Managers and executives get fired after signing extensions all the time. Preller won’t make more over the course of that extension than most players on the team will make in 2023 alone.
And it’s not his job to sell out games it’s his job to put a winner on the field. Which, fans will show up if they do that anyway.
Baseball is a business. If a GM is creating a team that puts behinds in the seats and makes the owner money then they keep their jobs. Preller’s job is as safe as any in baseball this season.
Like 2019 Dave Dombrowski or 2022 James Click?
Maybe they had a feeling this was coming so they grabbed Hill?
That sounds plausible.
It’s almost like throwing 60% breaking balls as a SP is bad for your arm. Idk. Weird
It’s almost like throwing is bad for your arm. Idk. Weird
Pitching in major league baseball forces a lot on the bones, joints and ligaments. It’s impossible not get sone ailment at one point or another.
Unless your name is Nolan Ryan.
Pretty sure @senortortas’ response was supposed to be sarcastic…
Nolan Ryan and also some so called experts claim the few years he didn’t throw in his early 20’s when in military service allowed his arm/ shoulder to actually strengthen. I’m sure you can find information about it. Anyways the break from baseball was credited for his overall longevity. A truly unique talent.
Take 2 Aleve a day and stop throwing. Problems solved.
Joe throws a lot of junk seems like more than 60%. I like him hope this isn’t chronic, unfortunately in today’s game pitchers have to load the ball to get outs
Karma for cheating in the Wild Card last year.
Real classy celebrating his injury based on a false accusation.
Buck was desperate for anything to stop the Padres momentum, the umpires thoroughly checked it out and there was nothing. Quit it with the slander.
Mets got their karma in the form of getting caught cheating twice in 2023 using the sticky stuff lol
Wow, way to celebrate a guy getting injured. You sound like a good human being.
You a mets fans? You sound like a mets fan. If so. Lolmets
Tough for Joe and Padres. However, Wacha being expected back with his 2.82 ERA should lessen the blow. Padres had planned for a 6 man rotation due to a long stretch but still 5 should be able to do the job. If it truly is just 3 weeks then all should be well.
I think Kershaw and Wacha both were only supposed to be a couple of weeks too though!
Wacha threw two simulated innings to Padres minor leaguers on August 1 and they may send him out for a rehab start soon. I think unless he suffers a setback on the rehab start he’s probably back in the rotation the following week, so we’re probably ~10ish days from him coming back.
Rotation should be
Darvish Snell Lugo Avila Hill and go to a 6 man rotation with 6th day being pen day.
Sucked enough they DFA Honeywell Jr. Missing Musgrove hurts even more.
1 of Groome, Waldron, Espinoza should get called up. Carpenter and Carlton should be DFA to clear some 40 man spots.
The Padres “all in”, one-year philosophy has cost them dearly and when the bills come due, there will be no depth, no farmhands, no payroll flexibility and no reinforcements coming over the hill. All in all the Padres have underachieved, underperformed and greatly shortened their window of contention.
Lmao what?
Each year they draft restocks the farm.
Snell and Hader leaving grants them QO picks to restock the farm if they sign elsewhere and grants payroll flexibility.
They’ve got Darvish Musgrove Tatis Jr Machado Bogaerts under contract for a while.
Going into 2024 they just need
1B
DH
and some back of rotation guys
Maybe a couple pen arms
But they just gave cronenworth a 7 year extension lmfao
11.5 mill a year.
I’d say 1b is Cronenworth’s for awhile playing GG defense.
Also wonder about Choi – if he hits, then won’t he like to stay and play with Kim and have a chance to play in Korea in 2024? That is a DH / back up 1b. Not the most expensive co tract out there to fill a need.
I had hoped for Aaron to join brother Austin but now Austin is looking at non-tender.
That’s a lot of holes to fill in one off-season. If you lose Snell and Hader, that’s like 7-8 wins right there for an already fringe team.
Suarez can move to closer so it isn’t as bad as it looks.
I’ll pick the Padres as the likely winner of the Snell sweepstakes in the FA contest.
Padres may put the biggest co tract in front of Ohtani like they did for Judge and Turner. Not saying he is coming but the opportunity will be there.
Padres gonna run a $300M payroll like the Mets? Snell will get $20M/yr. Ohtani’s floor might be $50M/yr
I’d say Snell at 4/80 is a fair target depending on the rest of 23z
They won’t sign both. I’m just saying based on last couple of years, they will make the offer to Ohtani. I don’t think he ever hits their payroll.
Heh, 4/80 only if he takes a discount. He’s been the best starter in the NL this season. Didn’t Taijuan Walker just get $80M last off-season?
Snell beats 4/80 with both eyes closed and both arms tied behind his back.
A lot of holes? Not really
Suarez replaces Hader as closer
Wilson Cosgrove Barlow sit atop the set up spots. So they probably go out and sign 2 pen guys.
Rotatin is Darvish Musgrove Wacha as 1 2 3 with 2 back end spots open at 4 and 5. Pedro Avila probably gets a shot at # 4. Meaning they probably sign a #5 so 1 player.
1B and DH are easy positions to look for additions.
So what 5-6 guys and not even top of the market types? Yeah not that big of a hole.
Listen, the Padres are due for positive regression next season if they don’t bounce back the rest of this year, but that rotation you listed features a 37 year old, Musgrove, and a pitcher who hasn’t thrown over 160 innings since he was 25 (Wacha will be 33 year next season).
@ F.U.C.K ilo. To replace Snell the Pads will probably try to add a SP that isn’t a 4 or 5, I think they will go after a #1-2 type in FA off season
You are joking, right? Ohtani will get Verlander money in terms of AAV over a long period. 10-12 years.
Do you think that Snell could get a contract similar to Musgrove? 5/100.
Actually I think that is a good comp so add the 5th year to my original offer. I actually thought Joe was a little you get but wow – born THE EXACT SAME DAY!
Isn’t Wacha a FA at the end of the season? Or can opt out?
4/72 for Walker
2 team options at 16 / year and both it’s be exercised together. Player option at 7.5.
If he is healthy – padres should exercise.
Either way sounds like a good opportunity at an extension for 3-4 years.
So, I’d feel good he is staying under some type of contract.
They’ve got limited production from dh and 1b and c.
Any regression is easily offset by production from positions in 2024 that they haven’t gotten in 2023.
Hasn’t Sanchez and Campusano really improved production at catcher?
The only way to justify the 50m for Ohtani is that you’re getting not only an ace but a star outfielder/dh. He’s really two players. That being said naturally it’s double the risk too. As electric as he is only a team with deep pockets that doesn’t care about the luxury tax will be in on him.
They have. But Sanchez has played 51 games and Campusano less than that.
They’d be a lot better if campusano had stayed healthy and had Sanchez earlier. But not how things went. Going into 2024 their catching situation looks a lot better.
Suarez could move to closer but his audition vs the Dodgers tonight wasn’t exactly inspiring.
Unless someone like the Dodgers comes in and offers higher annual value ($75M??) for fewer years (w/team or player options) and likely allows Shohei to drop back into FA in 3-5 years. He seems like the kind of guy to bet on himself on this second leg of his MLB career. Thinking he will want that flexibility in pursuit of his goals vs the comfort of an (team-unfriendly and being stuck, 2nd edition) albatross, 10-year contract.
Pads should have traded Hader and Snell before the deadline. Could have gotten 5-6 prospects between them to restock the pantry. Yu has maybe one more year of sub 3,75 era before turning into Dick Mountain. For all the Pads fans that moan/groan about Bob Melvin, take a look at where the team stands in regards to pitching statistics for 2023 so far. Impressive. It’s not an accident. If Tati hadn’t been suspended early on, where would this team be? Team did pretty well at the trading deadline but still needs a little more depth for the inevitable injury bug over the long season. For all the grief Cronenworth has gotten for that contract extension, he gives you plenty of offensive/defensive lineup flexibility. Haters have been awfully quiet about JC lately.
You know exactly what Wacha’s contract status is.
Snell and Ohtani huh? Who’s next Soto? Padres still think Monopoly money is real. Also, you do know that many times FA sweepstakes winners are not the team but rather the player as player massively underperforms the contract. Acquiring players for big market teams is not an achievement. It’s acquiring the right players for the right amount of money.
Ohtani has played less than 17 innings in the OF in his MLB career. Don’t think that you can count him as an OF. DH/SP. He obviously has dual value but diminished a bit by only DH. Can any team afford to pay him $50mm per season without it thinning out rest of team’s talent base?
I’m not sure exactly what you are saying or disputing in my post.
FA is a gamble and your Dodgers are just as likely to put as big of an offer on the table for each of Ohtani and Snell – so, again, what are you trying to say?
It always Monopoly money when it’s someone else’s money. If Siedler or Coen (a few others too) want to spend 350 mil and tax on payroll – they will and can.
I seriously doubt they would seek Snell. A five inning pitcher, as great as he can be.
I know everyone says Ohtani to Dodgers but I can see arguments both ways. Friedman does not like big money contracts. See Trea Turner, Scherzer, Seager, etc. Ohtani could be the exception but he’s never going to go Padre crazy and jeopardize the longer term of the franchise. Ohtani is the great debate in regards to player contract valuation.
Until they can’t spend money. See Cohen selling this year’s deadline. It’s free money until it’s not. Padre contracts a lot riskier than Met contracts.
Betts contact is so small. So is Freeman’s.
That’s exactly what they needed going into 2023 too.
Padres farm system ranks 12th in the mid-season updates and they traded no prospects of note other than Wolf at the deadline and he was down in the 20s in their system.
The Padres are expected to sign one of the top 2 international free agents in January so their farm will continue to get stronger.
There are lots of bad things that can be said about Preller including a lack of understanding of roster construction, but the guy knows how to scout and build a farm system with the best of them.
The farm system can always be added to. Holding Snell and Hader makes them worse for 2024 and beyond. That is a fact.
Considering Hader and Snell get QOs which grants the Padres extra draft picks if they sign elsewhere…..keeping them doesn’t make them worse off in the beyond. Both are looking at top of the market money which nets the Padres what extra 1sts next july?
Those comp picks aren’t until after the fourth round because the Padres are paying the luxury tax. The Padres could have gotten multiple top 100 prospects for Snell and Hader and also dropped below the third luxury tax threshold which means their top draft pick wouldn’t be lowered 10 spots. Not trading Snell and Hader is a disaster for the Padres post-2023.
And trading them doesn’t mean you can’t bring them back. Don’t try it with “That basically never actually happens.” That is only because usually the players original team doesn’t want to bring him back or can’t afford it.
You’re assuming they could have gotten multiple top 100 prospects.
Mets had to pay half of Verlanders and Scherzers salary and both had to opt into next season for the Mets to get top 100 prospects.
Pure rental pitching didn’t net top 100 prospects. Jordan Montgomery didn’t.
You have no idea what was actually offered for Snell or Hader. None of us do.
Fun fact: takes two teams to trade. Not hopes ofans
Fyi
Padres payroll is sitting at about 250-260 mill..draft pick only gets pushed back 10 spots if they exceeded 273 mill.
More you know
mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/which-teams-are-slated-…
Here’s a nice little tracker for team salaries.
spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/
What I do know is that they could do better than a pair of 4th/5th round sandwich picks for the probably NL Cy Young and arguable best closer in baseball.
Verlander and Scherzer were never going to opt out so them preemptively exercising their player options doesn’t really matter.
An article on this site awhile back said that the Padres are on pace to have their top draft pick drop 10 spots but that shedding Snell and Hader’s salaries would push them below that mark. Sources do tend to vary on such things. We’ll know for sure come the offseason.
Per mlbtr
“The Padres are the only club in this section, with their CBT number currently pegged at $267MM. Since they paid the tax in 2021 and 2022, they are set to be third-time payors in 2023. That means they are currently slated for a 62% tax on spending over the $253MM line and will continue to do so for any further additions. Jumping over the $273MM line would lead to a huge spike to a 95% rate, as well as their top 2024 draft pick being pushed back 10 slots.”
Padres currently sit at 252 mill and some change. Last I checked 252.99 cents is less than 253.
“What I do know is that they could do better than a pair of 4th/5th round sandwich picks for the probably NL Cy Young and arguable best closer in baseball.”
Both are having good seasons after posting multiple inconsistent seasons last 3 years. Teams aren’t pony up what you’re thinking for guys having 1 good season. Guys with better track record and more team control netted less than top 100 prospects.
“Verlander and Scherzer were never going to opt out so them preemptively exercising their player options doesn’t really matter.”
That’s false. At this point in their careers verlander and scherzer want championships. Want to win. They’d opt out if doing so meant they’d sign with contender of their choice. Rangers nor Astros make deal unless they opted in to 2024. But neither Astros or Rangers have money to sign them as FA limiting the suitors in 2024.
“An article on this site awhile back said that the Padres are on pace to have their top draft pick drop 10 spots but that shedding Snell and Hader’s salaries would push them below that mark.”
Padres are below the 253 line. Won’t break the 273 line and won’t fall back 10 spots. Owner will spend but no way the Padres front office make the owner pay 95% tax penalty. That’s how ppl get fired.
Padres could have gotten more than 4th/5th round sandwich picks for Snell and Hader. Period.
And Scherzer and Verlander aren’t beating their current contracts in FA. Especially Scherzer.
789 – “disaster” – really now have you ever experience a REAL disaster in life?
@Longtimecoming It’s still ridiculous to say the Padres can draft comparable players with the comp picks for Snell and Hader to what they could have traded them for.
Did I even mention or reference “draft”?
I called out you choice of using the word “disaster” to describe a calculated choice (pre Musgrove injury) to try to make the playoffs in 23 that may or may not work out.
Still a lot of games left and that 3rd WC is up for grabs if you look at the records of all of the teams ahead of them and the schedules remaining.
Far from a “disaster” my friend. It is just baseball that we are talking about here.
And no one can predict how draftees will pan out – check the percentage of 1st rounded that don’t even make it to MLB.
I mean 1000 simulations and all that.
Also shot themselves in the foot by putting Wolf on the 40-man roster before trading him.
“Each year they draft restocks the farm”..There is a reason the Pads have been the poor stepchildren of the Dodgers for the last 20+ years. And baseball is not really about any one year, it’s about every year, all of them. And no particular year is any more important than the others, because with a good solid business plan, your team can be a contender every year and not just the years you go “all in”.
Or if youre spending.
Dodgers averaged 100+ mill from 2001-2012
2013-present dodgers have spent 200+ mill on payroll.
Padres didn’t break 100 mill till 2014 and didn’t break 200 mill till 2022.
So grats on spending more on payroll and having the same thing to show for it?
Winning the division 9 of 10 yrs and going to the WS twice is “having the same thing to show for it”?..That’s totally laughable and why the Pads will always be the poor stepchildren of the LA Dodgers.
So you’re celebrating division titles and losing in the world series? That’s sad.
No, what’s “sad” is people who hate on winning baseball games, because all
their team can do is “win the press conference” or “win the off-season” right, Foxtrot?
I’m not hating on the dodgers.
I am laughing at you for celebrating runner up trophies. Dodgers tried your best spent more and wound up exactly the same place as the Padres did at seasons end. And you’re celebrating it like it’s something to be proud of. Always the brides maid never the bride. All you really got was worse draft position.
I mean, the Dodgers won just a few years ago. You can say it wasn’t a full season, but it counts.
@ mlb fan. Minor correction: Pads won the west in 2005 and 2006, well within the 20+ year window you cited as being LA poor stepchildren. And I think most teams would prefer 3 WS won by Giants over the past decade of just being good by Dodgers.
Since 2013 the Dodgers have outspent the 2nd highest spending team by just short of $400 million.
They have nearly doubled the spending of the Giants who are the second highest in the NL West and tripled the spending of the Padres.
The Dodgers are the Cohen Mets except they did it for a decade.
Next pitcher up! So glad it isn’t going to be Ryan Weathers…
Who is it going to be? Avila? Martinez? Bullpen games every 5th game?
it wont be Cole Hamels.
Dizzy Dean
Wow, that’s an ugly uniform in the picture. Looks like a bag of Starburst.
Snell, Darvish, Lugo, Wacha, Martinez, Hill. Most playoff contenders would take those six for the home stretch.
Plus, Musgrove is a bulldog. If he has a pulse, he’ll be back this year.
Wacha is on the IL.
Wacha is due back in 7-10 days estimated. Already thrown simulated.
BIG series this weekend between the Pads and the Dahdgers will be a measuring stick going forward. There are a bunch of Western Division face offs on the schedule the rest of the way will be interesting though don’t see anyone beating the Braves in the NLCS whomever goes against them. L.A. chokes in the playoffs every year except the one shortened Covid season, S.D. too much infighting amongst their superstars, S.F. totally clueless management Haniger MIA, Conforto low stats, Manea and Stripling yikes none of the true superstars want to play for them and da Dbacks imploding daily! What a disastrous year for Musgrove a real talent probably feeling too much pressure to perform.
@ Candlestick. Hey I’m a Giants fan living for decades in SD and also like the Pads (season ticket holder). Your statement “S.D., too much infighting amongst their superstars” is about as wrong as “January 6 rioters were mere tourists”. Those guys seem to get along well and if you have evidence to support infighting please share.
And is it a such a disastrous year for Musgrove, he’s rounded things out and has an ERA of 3.0 with a 10-3 record. Bad news about his shoulder though, hopefully he gets back for last 2-3 weeks of season.
The Giants look well-positioned to make the playoffs and possibly threaten for division title if by chance the Dodgers continue to get hit by injuries. I don’t think the Pads have much of a shot at playoffs. (check out their schedule next 6 weeks)
My prediction for NL playoff teams: Braves (by far best team in MLB), Dodgers, Giants, Phillies, Brewers, and a coin flip between Reds, Dbacks, Cubs, Pads and Marlins.
RIP
You mean there was hope before the shoulder?
Season over.
what I said a month ago when the dropped to 8 games below .500
This shoulder inflammation is not a big threat for Java joe
Game, set, and match. Losing Musgrove for the season means the Padres shot at closing the gap for a WC spot is gone.
Getting their behinds handed to them because Melvin left Darvish in too long tonight didn’t help. Melvin has shown all season that he doesn’t have a grasp on pitching changes.
Not watching the game? Darvish didn’t start the 8th and left with 3-2 lead after 7 and 82 pitches. Maybe Darvish should have been given the 8th but the loss wasn’t because he was left in “too long”.
Good starting pitching matters not when you have a pen that just collapses in the end (8 runs in two innings last night)
So true. I was actually thinking maybe let Yi go another inning but facing 1-3 for a 4th time, maybe not. That said, Hader for the “save” in the 8th to face that 1-3 needs to be considered and apparently, it isn’t even a possibility from what I have read. Sometimes the save comes in the 6th or 8th.
Best pitcher facing best hitters with a 1 run lead – shouldn’t matter which inning!
There are a few managers that might have left Darvish in the game, not just because he was pitching well, but with the idea of preserving the pen for the remainder of the 4-game series.
A growing number of managers in MLB would have put Hader in the 8th to face the elite Dodger batters. Hader was used that way a lot in Milwaukee. Tough to second guess Melvin, he seems to play it by the book, but it seems like things never go as planned for him in the late innings of 2023. That’s mostly on the players, but it’s been uncanny. If they had won just half the close games decided in the late innings this year, they’d easily be leading the division.
Brew can’t say you are wrong on Melvin but sure with option 2 or 3. I’ve read Yu didn’t try to talk him out of taking him so that means Hader for the 8th. I know players do what they are told but I also believe Melvin is a big “player person” so I wonder if Hader’s preference is coming into play here which then, gets back to Melvin needs to do what is best for the team.
I have never been and not now anti-Melvin.
I so very much agree with you on the close game / extra innings (no wins) perspective. It is very uncanny how bad those stats are.
Another – they lead mlb by a very large margin in quality starts. They are 4th from the bottom in wins from quality starts – with like a 2 to 1 ration in amounts!
Last 3 games where a starter went 7 with 3 or less allowed – all losses!
The oddball stats are so against the Padres. Which goes to your point in the end – players have to perform.
All those base runners that didn’t score last night are perfect examples of the above.
Second and third with no outs = no runs.
First and third with 1 out = no runs.
Just so crazy in the overall that it is so easy to pick out places to question.
Darvish only threw 82 pitches and left the game with the lead intact. Melvin left him in for just the right amount of time. Arguable he should have left him in even longer.
Fernando Tatis Jr. is the only reason A. J. Preller isn’t working at Sizzler rn.