For many years now, the major league trade deadline has been at the end of July or early August. John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle laid out a case for moving it back a couple of weeks to the middle of August, adding that general managers have discussed the possibility for years, including at the annual general managers meetings.
It’s unclear how popular the idea is or how much urgency there is towards making it a reality, but the case is an interesting one and the fact that it has been brought up by front office people is noteworthy. As Shea points out, the late July deadline was implemented in 1986, before the Wild Card era. At that time, there were 26 teams but only four playoff spots, meaning 15.4% of clubs would eventually crack the postseason. The playoff field has repeatedly expanded since then and there are now 12 spots for 30 teams, allowing 40% of clubs to play beyond the regular season.
The most recent trade deadline provided an example of the difficult this presents. Very few teams were firmly out of contention by the end of July and some clubs were fairly quiet or did nothing at all in terms of deadline deals. Some decision makers commented after the fact about the low availability of impact players. Even some players that were long thought to be available, such as Shohei Ohtani and Cody Bellinger, were retained as their respective clubs stayed close enough to contention to justify taking them off the market.
Another point made by Shea is that, up until recently, there was a second trade deadline. It used to be possible to make trades in the month of August via revocable waivers, a process that was complicated to the point that explaining the byzantine rules was an annual tradition at MLBTR. But despite the convoluted details, notable players such as Justin Verlander, Josh Donaldson, Jeff Bagwell, David Cone and John Smoltz were traded via this method over the years, as well as a huge nine-player deal that saw Adrián González, Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett go from the Red Sox to the Dodgers. But the August waiver trade system was eliminated in 2019, and there has just been a single deadline since then without much clamoring for the waiver system to come back.
The expanded playoffs and the lack of ability to make deals in August means that most teams have to make difficult decisions in the end of July about whether they are in or out or how aggressive to be. On top of that, Shea highlights that the draft has been moved from June to July in recent years, with MLB tying it into All-Star festivities. That leaves front offices with a short window of time to pivot from the draft to the deadline. Pushing the deadline back a couple of weeks would allow a bit more time for the chips to fall and decisions to be made, which would have franchise-altering implications.
Shea uses the example of the Angels, who decided to hang onto Ohtani this year. When they took him off the market on July 26, they had a 16.7% chance of making the playoffs, according to FanGraphs. Despite trading multiple prospects for players like Lucas Giolito, Randal Grichuk and C.J. Cron, they have gone cold and now have just a 1.3% chance. In an alternate universe where the deadline was in the middle of August, the Angels may have held onto their prospects and added more via an Ohtani trade, completely changing the future course of the club. At the same time, one of the 29 other clubs would have acquired Ohtani for a postseason push, which would have had massive implications for them as well.
The Angels are just one example. The Padres have continued to scuffle and may have given more thought to moving Josh Hader or Blake Snell as their window for a late-season surge narrowed. The Mariners have played extremely well of late and perhaps would have acted differently with more time to take this hot streak into account. There are many tantalizing scenarios to imagine.
Taken as a whole, it’s a compelling case that it would be good for the game to push it back, though it’s unclear if there’s any dialogue between MLB and the MLB Players Association on the matter. Although Shea lists August 15 as the proposed date for a new deadline, it likely wouldn’t settle on a specific spot like that. The new CBA allows the commissioner to set the deadline date somewhere between July 28 and August 3 each year. This allows the league to place it on a weekday with no day games, which eliminates the chances of a “hug watch” situation where a player is traded in the middle of a game. If the deadline were to be pushed back, it would likely be a similar window with some leeway to be moved.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
A definite step in the right direction.
iverbure
It’s not. The teams that are good don’t need to make a huge trade to become better, the opposite is true as well. A team like the angels could make all the trades they wanted, they weren’t making the playoffs regardless. They’re a terrible example because if they didn’t have Ohtani becoming a free agent they certainly would have sold for sure.
Bad teams should want things to stay the same, the price of rentals will go up if there’s less available. 2nd deadline is only good for the higher spending clubs.
abc123baseball
I recommend actually reading the article. There is no talk of a second deadline. This is about pushing back the deadline.
This proposal actually serves the points you are making. If the deadline was in mid-August, the Angels would probably (butterfly effect notwithstanding) be sellers instead of buyers. A later deadline would probably mean that Ohtani as well as Giolito, Cron, Grichuk etc would likely be on playoff bound teams.
bag o ballz
It seems like a dumb argument though because things would be different if it were in July, or September or May…..
Captain-Judge99
@iverbure- Agreed let’s just go back to July 31st, at 3pm, this dope on a rope(Manfred) is messing with baseball and trying to change EVERYTHING. I wish he could just fire himself, or just quit being the commissioner, truthfully. He’s ruining the game more by all the changes. Smh.
MysterySpot
I wonder if you could have a 2nd deadline be strictly for rentals. Defined as players who are FA’s after the season (no players with club options, vesting options, etc).
For teams who are unsure of if they should buy or sell (Angels and Pads for example), they can wait a bit into August to make that decision. If you want a player controllable past the current season (think the Castillo and Scherzer trades), then deadline is still July 31.
Rentals of course could still be traded prior to the July 31 deadline, just don’t have to be.
Could be interesting as teams determine if they want to package a rental with another player before July 31, or sell the rental individually later.
Teams would also decide, if buying a rental, would you want to wait until mid August (probably lower prospect cost, less salary paid) and lose out on couple weeks production, or acquire the players earlier to help the team earlier (ie Brewers. Penny pinching club but they needed offense asap. Probably good to get Santana/Canha now rather than mid August).
I’d much rather keep it as-is and only have 1 deadline, but if extended to 2 deadlines, this probably is how I’d envision it. Think it adds some interesting strategy and opinions to the mix.
avenger65
If making August 15 the deadline so teams can act based on where they are in the standings, why not wait til September 1? Or September 15? Two weeks isn’t going to make a difference. I give Moreno credit for trading for players who could help the team contend. To me, it shows that he is serious about trying to win and possibly keeping Ohtani. With the Angels fading from a PO spot and more likely to lose Ohtani, Moreno could wait til the last week of the season. He could tell the Dodgers to either cough up prospects and established major leaguers or else he’s going to try to sign him. In that case I think the Dodgers would call his bluff, wait til the season was over, then sign Ohtani to the team he’s wanted to be with all along.
MysterySpot
I don’t disagree. Just stating that is Manfred were to attempt to make another poor decision and add a 2nd deadline, this is how I could see it being done.
Ejemp2006
Moreno took half measures and didn’t get big time impact players or even any of those invaluable glue guys. He is one of the worst GMs in baseball. It wouldn’t matter where you put the deadline, bad GMs like Moreno would make bad moves.
It doesn’t look like we’ll see Ohtani in the playoffs and that makes me upset so this post is not my best. Too clouded by emotion.
Citizen1
For mlbtr. Teams know where they stand by July
nukeg
The Angels losing 7 in a row after the trade deadline is being used as measure of why the deadline should be moved back. However, if they *won 7 in a row, it could also be used as a reason to keep it where it is.
The Angels having those assets two weeks earlier to spark that winning streak could have been a franchise altering event.
So let’s not move a trade deadline back two weeks because of Phil Nevins inability to manage a bullpen and properly manage new assets.
signenderinciarte
Nah the single trade deadline makes it fun.
sidewinder11
They’re proposing moving the deadline back a couple weeks, not adding an extra deadline
martras
I like the current trade deadline better than a proposal to stretch it out. There are more teams interested in trading at the end of July than the middle of August. Setting the trade deadline back just means fewer teams will be trying to make the playoffs.
sidewinder11
Which also means there are more players available to be traded. Like the article says, there’s a good chance teams like the Angels and Padres decide to sell if the deadline was now instead of 2 weeks ago.
martras
@sidewinder11 – I could make the same argument in an opposite direction about teams who’ve gone on winning streaks between the end of July and middle of August.
KingKen
More teams considering themselves still in the race at the deadline actually leads to fewer trades, as all those teams are inclined to hang onto their players vs. considering trading them. Pushing it back would give more teams clarity on their realistic chances and likely lead to more impact moves.
martras
@KingKen – Are you proposing trades make the game better or more interesting than having more teams trying to compete?
Trades happen, for the most part, when teams have given up on the season. That’s not a good thing for baseball or baseball fans as far as I’m concerned. I do not like knowing what teams are going to be in the playoffs 2 months before the season’s end.
mohoney
Yes. More trades would increase the quality of postseason play.by re-routing more of the best players to playoff-bound teams.
martras
@mohoney – Why track team records at all? Instead of postseason normal teams, we could just have AL vs NL postseason All Star Series. That would increase the quality of the postseason play.
nrd1138
Id rather see the waiver deadline back. Yeah it was complicated, but -IIRC- it allowed teams to rethink their stance and if they did want to trade, there was at least a drawback that another team (further back in the standings) could block the claim (or make the trade themselves to get better).
DBH1969
Increased trading isn,t happening. Instead you have teams caught in the middle, paralyzed about what to do. The number of teams on the fence, doing nothing is increasing. I would add the Red Sox and Yankees to the list stated in the article, and I am sure there are others here who could post and add to the list.
Something needs to be done. I like the moving the single deadline back a couple weeks, personally, but would be okay with some kind of slimmed down version of the wire deadline.
martras
@DBH1969 – Exactly. Increased trading isn’t happening. That’s a good thing because trades inherently mean teams have given up. It’s not a good thing for baseball or baseball fans to essentially demote 15 teams to AAAA for a big portion of the season. At least, that’s the way I feel.
Some of the greatest stories in baseball are because teams didn’t trade all their assets. “Moneyball” never happens with an extended trade deadline and many other great late season comebacks never happen. You lose excitement by creating “All Star” teams for the playoffs.
Murphy NFLD
I think it should be pushed back 7-10 days. The extra time as noted means more sellers so it also means a buyer’s market, in the sense that things will be cheaper with more sellers less buuers
DBH1969
@Murphy
I like the idea of a buyer’s market because it will put more pressure on the bottom feeding teams to create better rosters. Teams that run minimal payrolls while suckihg off the revenue sharing teet shouldn’t be rewarded with sellers’ markets
nrd1138
Im probably in the minority but I liked the August waiver trade deadline. It helped teams not relevant (or whose teams whose moves did not make them better) relent and trade guys but was punitive enough to not make it easy for the best teams to get better. It kept the news and attention on MLB despite the end of the season where many teams or their fans had anything to look forward to in the postseason. It also led to some interesting trades.
Carl W.
The additional wild card has more to do with it then a single trade deadline. IMO
jorge78
Good point. And the players union was against it. I wonder why? Can’t remember anyone explaining that…..
Joshy
A second deadline means less articles and buzz at the first deadline, however does probably create a larger total number of trades, which means more trades, more MLBTR articles, more fun which I’? all for.
jorge78
The main point of the article is moving back the deadline, not creating a second one…..
Joshy
Oops. Read the whole article and still missed that. Thanks.
Melchez17
Who really thought Ohtani was available?
They should have a trade deadline in the middle of August… then another deadline up until the first day of September where you can only trade within your division.
How desperate are you to go all in for the playoffs? Will you help your division rivals for a one time shot?
I don’t know… give it a try. Heck, if we are having ghost runners in extras and time clocks… no idea is too weird.
DMiles5149
I don’t see why they didn’t trade him. It doesn’t seem like he’s resigning. And the Angels stink. I feel like a bidding war breaking out for him would have resulted in far more than a compensatory pick if he leaves.
Rsox
The problem is the Angels tried a thinly veiled attempt at convincing Ohtani (and everyone else) they were a playoff team and it didn’t work. Of the 7 players the Angels added throughout the season Moustakas has been decent, Escobar has been ok, Lopez and Leone of done well out of the bullpen. On the other side Giolito has been awful in all but one start, Cron and Grichuck unsurprisingly have not away from Coors Field and are a combined 16 for 84 with 3 HR’s, 26 strikeouts and only 6 walks between them. The only good thing for the Angels is they didn’t give up a lot to get these players
DMiles5149
Yeah the Rockies/Angels trade was like a Yankees trade with Oakland for a pitcher. You’re instantly getting a worse player once they leave the home ballpark.
hiflew
In your mind, how does Coors Field have anything to do with the number of strikeouts for Cron and Grichuk? In case you missed it, both of them struck out A LOT for the Rockies, especially Cron. And neither walked much. The Angels knew what they were getting and some magical Coors Field effect had nothing to do with it.
Plus, their first game for the Angels against the Braves, those two basically won the game by themselves.
DMiles5149
-.5 WAR with the angels for grichuk. -.4 for Cron so far with the Angels. And I believe Coors field is the best hitters ballpark in the league. And losing the ability to play half your games there are not going to be good for the player. Have a nice day.
hiflew
It’s been 12 games man. Take a pill.
DMiles5149
I commented on another posters comment about them. And I compared the situation to the Yankees acquiring pitchers from Oakland. No need for the pill.
Tom
How much revenue do they generate having Ohtani on their roster? Even for just two more months it might be more valuable than the prospects they get in return. Baseball is a business, about making money, and having arguably the most marketable player in the game’s history on your roster is worth it.
Rsox
With Ohtani they are averaging 33+k in attendance per game. According to a recent Forbes article Ohtani is the #2 selling Jersey in MLB (Ronald Acuna is #1). Plus additional tv revenue from games broadcast back in Japan i imagine the revenue stream for the rest of the season greatly outweighs the future prospects the Angels could have received via trade
Slider_withcheese
Make it in April and force these clown GMs to do a better job with talent evaluation.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
Case in point. If there was an August 15th deadline, Ohtani would be traded, as the Angels are now toast.
Rsox
No he wouldn’t. Arte was never going to trade his cash cow and will settle for draft pick compensation when he signs elsewhere next winter
DMiles5149
I just don’t get that logic. And I’m not saying you’re wrong. Obviously the organization has much more of a feel than I do where he’s going to sign. But it seems like he’s gone and the team itself isn’t going anywhere. Not to mention they’ve proven one player doesn’t make that much a difference. They haven’t won anything with him and Trout. I feel like Danny Ainge in this situation would have sent him packing for a haul.
Rsox
Ohtani sells tickets. Ohtani sells jerseys and t-shirts. Ohtani gets them nationally televisied from time-to-time and Ohtani gets them international exposure. All of that goes away next winter so it’s about captilizing on what little time they have left as much as possible
Wilmer the Thrillmer
If Artie would settle for a third round pick (end of second round) over a huge cache of top prospects he should not be an owner. Ohtani would NEVER re-sign with a team run by such idiots.
Tom
What’s more important to Arte (or any sports team owner)—a cache or prospects or a wad of cash? Pro sports is.a business, not a game. Arte’s in it to make money (as he should be); Ohtani generates money, therefore he was never trading him.
DMiles5149
Got no problem with an owner wanting to make money. But a dose of wanting to win should also be included I would hope. I guess that’s why they’ll be watching the playoffs again.
iverbure
If you don’t think Ohtani is signing with the angels you should bet on it, and make more money than you’ll ever dream of having. Vegas has the odds of Ohtani as a big huge favourite. If you want to ever see how ridiculous your opinions are ever, check out Vegas odds. If you have some nonsensical opinion that will never ever happen, you can bet on it and lose money and then reaffirm you don’t know anything, or win a fortune and not only tell everyone you were right all along but have a boatload of cash to prove it.
DMiles5149
My Sportsbooks don’t have odds up.
iverbure
It’s a good thing there’s 1000s.
DMiles5149
The first odds I saw online (not at my book) have the Angels -250. I’ll be sprinkling elsewhere if I get the opportunity.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
Dude, the Angels are the 6th favorite team to sign Ohtani. YOU should bet on the Angels and make a lot of money.
Rsox
GM’s propose and October 1st trade deadline because teams will know for sure whether they are in it or not by then
jorge78
LOL
ray1
It would have to be negotiated.
blueboy714
Another stupid way to ruin the game – just like ghost runner on 2nd base. Our beloved commish Rob Manfred will probably fully support it.
nrd1138
I think the Pitch clock was a great idea, drastically reduced the length of the average game and I think would eliminate the need for a free runner on second.
RyanD44
Why do we want more trades at the deadline? I think it’s healthier for the sport to have more teams convinced they are in it and going for it instead of tanking. If you think you have a shot, and you’re wrong, you should have made a better decision.
Perksy
Because Manfred wants baseball to be like other sports where there is excitement for at least one day. Kind of like NFL draft day or when free agency begins. MLB having trade deadline day with more deals gets more eyeballs and adds excitement in their eyes.
baumann
I think it’s tough to balance the sides. More teams going for it is cool, good for fans of those teams … unless it blows up in their faces like it did with the Angels, and then maybe those teams are worse off long term. More trades does create more general buzz around the game, and for me, the big thing is that with more trades, you get to see more stars in the post season and playoff races. But, again, more teams going for it can also be very exciting. I see both sides.
Noah H.
I can see the reasoning behind pushing back the deadline with the extended playoffs and all but at the same time I already hate how most teams wait until the deadline to make a trade. Pushing it back even further just makes it even less likely teams would pursue any sort of mid-season trades to improve.
nrd1138
Or add a second trade window that would allow teams who have a worse record since the first deadline to be able to change their mind and sell?
Huvie
They need to let teams trade draft picks
Tom
Good in theory but probably a bad idea unless there are significant restrictions put in place.
Without restrictions imagine these trades:
Detroit trades Javy Baez & 3 1st Round picks to NYM for Jose Mana
Colorado trades Kris Bryant & 3 1st round picks to NYM for Junior Santos
How many draft picks would owners like Steve Cohen purchase? Without a salary cap like the NFL/NBA (which baseball should never have), draft picks would become capital for a team looking to dump salary.
mgomrjsurf
Yes to that.
Al.so ca.n still can Trade Otanhi after World Series before he becomes a Free-Agent.
No Deadline but a Team making the World Series would want to aquire help.
semut
Omggg can we stop monkeying with the rules every five minutes?! LEAVE THE GAME ALONE
Not the real Sports Pope
I don’t think because the Angels and Diamondbacks over evaluated their team the trade deadline needs to be moved to accommodate their lackluster performances post deadline. If LA wanted to move Ohtani they easily could have and probably should have
Whifff
I have THE solution.
I like having “the main” trade deadline but would like to see more activity later.
Create a 4 days trading window in August, but you aren’t allowed to trade rental players any longer.
We’d enjoy the main trade deadline, then get a few weeks of rumors on much bigger deals. Most won’t happen but we’ll get a couple and be entertained by more rumors. This allows significant incentive to keep the first deadline as the primary.
You’re welcome.
LABeachguy
There is so much in baseball that just makes sense, but doesn’t happen. Pushing the trade deadline as mentioned here seems obvious. With the pitch clock now, can get rid of the other rules, 3 batter minimum, ghost runner in extra innings. No more of games starting at 6:40. Night games that end before 9pm doesn’t seem right. Also, that means more of the game where the shadows play a role in seeing the pitch for the batters. One more, make it to where trades for draft picks are allowed. Sure would make the draft a lot more exciting to watch. Top ten draft pick traded for a Pete Alonso type player. I’m in.
This one belongs to the Reds
Honestly, could could extend it until the end of August just before they expand rosters if they wanted.
The end of July is tradition, though. I see no need to mess with it but they seem to want to do nothing but mess with the game. The pitch clock being the only thing that was really a great thing.
Grantastic
Here’s the fix: construct a schedule with makeup days built in, so the all-star break and draft actually fall at the exact middle – 81 games – and have it be the first weekend/Mon/Tues in July, and piggyback off the 4th of July festivities when they coincide. Bam – a whole month to prepare for the trade deadline line now. Can’t tell me in 2023, some algorithms can’t smash together a MLB schedule where this is feasible. Keep the deadline where it is, end of July, and force organizations to make hard decisions. Sorry, Angels, Moreno rolled the dice and looks like he’s gonna crap out with holding onto Ohtani. Such is life.
In other news, Manfred is still a joke.
suntv
they should TAX the teams that make trades at the deadline. Just the side that receives the most ML Service Time. IE: in the Phillies/ Tigers trade, the Phillies would get taxed and not the Tigers since Michael L. had the most Service Time of everyone in the trade.
DarkSide830
lol
hiflew
I like the August 1 trade deadline. It forces teams to bet on themselves. But as the Angels and Padres have proven, sometimes bets do not pay off. Making the deadline later will just make the trade returns much smaller because teams will only be getting players for 1.5 months instead of 2. I think if the deadline is going to be moved, it should be moved BACK to mid-July. The only teams that should be having fire sales are teams that are HOPELESSLY out of it like the A’s, Royals, and Rockies. Teams like the Mets and Padres and Angels that just spent a lot of money unwisely should not be rewarded with a plethora of new prospects because their teams underperformed.
Foxtrot Unicorn Charlie Kilo
So your rockies being bad and cheap should get prospects. But Padres shouldn’t get prospects. Right. No bias there.
Any team should be allowed to decide their future at any time during the season prior to a deadline regardless how much they spend or how theyre performing. Go for it. Trade off assets. Fire sale. It’s the teams decision how they want to approach remainder of the season and beyond.
Wheeler Dealer
Put it back the way it was
whyhayzee
Why not mandate that every team has to trade 2 players off their 40 roster? Or 4 players? Every year? Mandate that at least one three team trade has to be executed by every team at least once every two years? Mandate that 1 player on each team has to be injured every month? Maybe 2 players? One player per team has to miss an entire season at least every two years? Have the postseason include every team but you can’t move on unless you used at least 8 pitchers in one of the games? Have every runner be a courtesy runner? Have no time between pitches? Do away with commercials, have the opposing team get on the field in 30 seconds? Have a mandatory bench clearing brawl in every game where at least 1 player from each team is required to throw a punch? Why not include space aliens in the draft? Let’s improve the game and have more to talk about, yes, yes, yes.
Blobbity.
Foxtrot Unicorn Charlie Kilo
Nah. Early August makes sense.
By mid or end of August teams are out of contention. Least with the current trade deadline they have 2 month / 60 games to get things done.
Mid August puts them at 45 and end of August puts them at 30 give or take.
I feel like pushing it back will create more sellers than buyers. It’s fun when teams on the border go for it. But pushing it back could make them sellers rather than buyers.
NMK 2
I don’t have enough business experience to say whether the trade deadline should be moved. However, I can safely say there will always be second-guessing and someone who’s unhappy. The Angels could have been hot until late August and collapsed again. Does that mean we should push the trade deadline to Sept. 1? Should we abolish the deadline at all? Should teams swap players amid postseason series?
If we keep drawing lines in the sand, it can’t end.
wifflemeister
Unless I am mistaken, Fred McGriff came over to the Braves in this fashion. Nobody expected him to be listed, much less claimed at that point
I personally believe the August 1st trade deadline day to be the most exciting day in MLB other than a LCS or WS game 7.
miltpappas
Every time MLB makes a change, it turns out to be garbage. Leave the trade deadline alone.
DBH1969
I wouldn’t mind a 2nd d3adline, but only for players who have been on the 40 man since June 1.
kingbum
I think September 1st should be the deadline, you know for sure by then if you are in a race or not. You know if you wanna dump for next year or add for the playoff run. More teams will be willing to trade I believe. Teams like the Red Sox and Yankees stood pat at the deadline because they didn’t have a clear picture of where their teams are at.
DarkSide830
Just bring back the 2nd deadline.
Old York
Get rid of the trade deadline. Should be able to trade during Game 7 of the world series.
BaseballBrewTown
I like the idea of an alphabetical staggered trade deadline. Players with last names starting with A-M must be traded by August 10th. Those with last names starting with N-Z are traded between August 11th and the 15th.
DBH1969
What if you want to trade A for Z?
jdgoat
Bring back the waiver trade deadline!
dlw0906
They should go back to a June 15th trading deadline.
Steve E.
On the other hand, why would a GM trade high-caliber prospects for a six-week rental? There’s not as much time to make an impact with a late trade deadline. Would the Dodgers have traded all those prospects for six starts from Scherzer and 150 ABs from Trea Turner? Doubtful.
But It Do
“Another point made by Shea is that, up until recently, there was a second trade deadline.”
There should be no comma after “that.”
sanomorestrikeouts
Why even have a deadline? What was the point in the first place?