The Mets have optioned third baseman Brett Baty to Triple-A Syracuse, placed outfielder Starling Marte on the 10-day injured list with a groin strain, recalled infielder Jonathan Araúz and selected the contract of journeyman outfielder Abraham Almonte. Almonte’s promotion was first reported by Anthony DiComo of MLB.com. Paired with their selection of reliever Jimmy Yacabonis over the weekend, New York’s 40-man roster is at capacity.
Baty heads back to Triple-A for the first time since April. The recent top prospect began the season in Syracuse but got off to a roaring .400/.500/.886 start. That earned him a big league call a couple weeks into the year — his second promotion after a debut late last season. Baty quickly pushed Eduardo Escobar to the bench (and eventually made him expendable in trade) and started the season well, mashing at a .333/.394/.467 clip through the end of April.
The 23-year-old has hit a major slump since that excellent first month. He’s been a below-average hitter in each month since that point. Things have particularly spiraled of late. Since the All-Star Break, Baty is hitting .130/.211/.261 while striking out in 31.2% of his 77 plate appearances. While the Mets have turned their attention towards 2024, the struggles simply became untenable. They’ll hope Baty can find his stride against lower-level pitching.
Whether he does so could have implications for Baty’s long-term earning power. He entered the season with 50 days of major league service. Between his April 17 recall and today, he has accrued roughly 112 days of additional service time. That brings him to 162 days overall. Players get to a full service year at 172 days, meaning Baty’s approximately 10 days shy of that mark. If he returns to the big leagues for a week and a half later in the season, he’ll surpass the one-year threshold and remain on pace to reach free agency after the 2028 campaign. If he spends the remainder of the season in the minors, his free agency trajectory would be pushed back until after the ’29 season — though he’ll be on pace to reach arbitration after 2025 as a Super Two player in that case.
Danny Mendick draws into the starting lineup at third base against the Cubs this evening. 23-year-old Mark Vientos seems the favorite for playing time there overall, with Mendick and Araúz offering utility depth behind him.
Marte’s rough 2023 campaign continues. He just returned from a two-week IL stay because of recurring migraine issues. The hamstring injury is obviously unrelated but represents another frustration in one of the worst seasons of his career. Around the injuries, Marte has hit only .248/.301/.324 with five homers through 341 trips to the plate.
His absence opens an outfield spot for Almonte. The switch-hitting outfielder signed a minor league deal over the offseason and is hitting .228/.331/.564 over 27 games in Syracuse. He’s striking out at a lofty 31.4% clip but has connected on 11 homers and is drawing plenty of walks. Almonte is accustomed to the role of late-season call-up. It’s his 11th straight year reaching the bigs, though he’s never played more than 82 games in any single season. Almonte will soon suit up for the eighth team of his career. He’s a .235/.302/.374 hitter in a little under 1400 MLB plate appearances.
Maybe it’s time to DFA Marte. He doesn’t add anything to the team.
You owe him $41.5M, and no one that is currently pushing him off the team. You need to wait until you have someone to replace him.
Mets could probably eat money in Marte and find a taker. Then again they have no one else to play his spot and last year he was good. Think the Mets will hope for a good rest in the off season and maybe be better next year
That’s the whole essence of GMing. If you develop someone, you can trade off one of the more expensive players. if you don’t develop, then you are stuck.
Like you said with Marte, unless the Mets have a reasonable solution, then almost by default, Marte is worth more to them than he is to other teams.
why would you DFA him? He’s had a rough 2023 but mostly consistent has been an above average player. (so far) he hasn’t played up to his salary. No reason to discount him coming around though.
Watch.. he will steal home from first three times a game and the fourth ab hit grand slams every game… be the MVP in the league but gets hurt right before the play offs and the Mets miss the wild card by half a game.
I know it sounds crazy but you heard it here first! haha.
I’ll have what he’s smoking
Marte isn’t getting DFA’ed until mid-2024 at the earliest. He’s struggled badly this year, but given the amount they owe him, they need to give him another shot next year.
I’m with you, given marte has only been ‘bad’ one other year in his career offensively before 2023 I think you have to give him a bit longer leash UNLESS you have someone who is significantly better at that moment. Even then you keep him on the roster. again until you have a surplus of above average OFs.
I would certainly hate it to pay his salary while he is playing against me. Well, unless I know his health has finally given out which is a possibility.
If he is healthy in 2024, you may regret that.
He’s hurt. He’s clearly been hurt all season. He said a month ago that the groin still hurts when he bats. People saw all the stolen bases in the first half and assumed he’s healthy, but he’s clearly been struggling with the groin. His game in center field (in Denver!) was a disaster. He could not move laterally. just as he looks as though he can’t stride and rotate properly at the plate. He’s seeing the surgeon in Philly, so perhaps he will get some answers.
Baty is a perfect example of why teams that are trying to compete shouldn’t put an unproven rookie into a position of need. The Yankees with Volpe is another one. The Mets would have been much better served trading Baty in a package for a proven player, even if that player had a lower ceiling. It’s easy to say in hindsight, but throughout history prospects that thrive often do so on middling teams or teams that are not expected to be good.
Yep. Didn’t work at all for the Braves last year with Harris and Strider.
Look up the word “often” buddy. It doesn’t mean every single time. There are far more examples of failure than success.
Are you going to support this with any additional data or just insist that it’s true?
Look up the word “often” buddy. It doesn’t mean every single time.
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So, just so I understand the math behind it, you used Volpe & Baty as examples, and he used Harris and Strider..
But you had an issue with his sample count, even though it was identical to yours?
FWIW, the issue with Volpe & Baty was not their teams depending on them. It was that neither had enough AAA at bats.
@hiflew you’re making absolutely no sense. Now you’re basically trying to boil it down to more prospects fail than succeed which is obvious. But to make a blanket statement basically saying a contender should never give a prospect a chance at an everyday job is ridiculous. I’m not going to go down the list of every player but you’ll find guys on AZ, CIN, BAL, SF, LA and several other contenders that prove you wrong. Heck Houston won the WS last year giving a rookie the starting SS job. You can simply admit you’re wrong and move on. Happens to the best of us.
It wasn’t really worth even commenting on. Ideally, he best teams should bring in AT LEAST one kid every year. You can inculcate him into a winning culture.
That doesn’t even consider the fact that, if a team has nothing but veterans, it will be outrageously expensive, and will fall apart quickly. The reason why Atlanta, LAD, and Houston have been dominant for so long is that they seem to promote someone new every single year.
The problem with the Mets is the don’t have the coaching and development. Look at the Braves they basically put chipper jones one on one with Austin Riley and Riley became one of the best players in the league.
If the Mets are smart they will limit how long Batty is done in minors. If he hits good they need bring him back up so that he has confidence going into the winter. Don’t want him to stress all off season about his future.
I think the Mets are a lot farther from a contender than they realize. They have holes at 2nd base; 3rd base; left field; right field; DH; need 2-3 maybe 4 starters; need 2-3 regular bullpen arms and a 1-2 high leverage arms. Realistic they are 2-3 years away from being a good team
@Benjamin101677 It’s even worse than that. The organization is in tatters, they’ve been unable to develop two playable minor leaguers in three years, and as of April 2023 they actually thought Alvarez wasn’t ready for the majors,
Of course, they could sign Y. Yamamoto and Urias this offseason—both are young enough to still be in their primes in 2026-27, and a rotation of
Urias
YY
Senga
Quintana
solid 5th starter
….with an average offense and three more good bullpen arms will be a contender capable of going deep in the postseason, but this FO isn’t capable of it. Still, they’re fantastically lucky wrt who is available in FA.
In any case they need a real front office, and a farm system capable of teaching one of Baty, Mauricio, or Vientos to do more than DH, and one of Peterson, Megill, Butto, or Lucchesi to throw five innings with an ERA around 4.50. The ineptitude is startling.
Yeah no. All that should be required is patience. Baty looked ready, but somewhere along the way he got lost. He doesn’t have the same sweet swing Keith Hernandez – and everyone – raved about in ST. He’ll have three weeks to sort himself out in AAA. But yeah – prospects can be promoted or traded. It’s up to organizations to determine how to best use them.
Baty looked ready, but somewhere along the way he got lost.
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That’s because he only had 15 games in AAA. No matter what thw writers think about service time, I feel too many kids are getting promoted too early..
@JoeBrady No sarcasm intended, but you might want to look at the age at which the Braves have brought guys up during the last decade, and the level they bring them up from.
Albies had 660 AAA ABs
Riley had 465
Acuna had 330
Baty had 57
Occasionally someone will break through, but that rarely happens. I said the same thing about Adell, and Halo fans went berserk. This is a game with a steep learning curve.
Eduardo Escobar was underperforming considerably when Baty was called up. Add injuries and Vientos not having the glove to play 3B, enter Baty. He was only tearing up AAA at the time of his promotion. This setback should be good for Baty come 2024.
You’re right Baty tearing the cover off the ball in triple A leading the league in homeruns, slugging percentage, OBPS at the time of his call up warranted him not getting a chance to play everyday at the Major League level. Is that what you’re saying?
If you’re talking to me, I was justifying the callup. I think Baty deserved the call.
It was meant @hiflew he obviously didn’t see the kids monster triple a numbers to go along with an inconsistent Escobar and every Mets fan getting pissed each day he was in AAA hitting XBH after XBH and Eppler still not calling him up to the show until he literally had no choice but to Make the right move in giving him a shot at the major league level which was warranted at the time 110 percent.
he obviously didn’t see the kids monster triple a numbers
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His monster numbers? It was 9 games. His complete lack of experience is showing.
I gave up on the Mets when they released Ed Kranepool.
Glad to see Baty go back down. Definitely not Major League caliber with bat or glove.
You guys should just ship him to the Tigers for cash, or maybe trade him for Isan Diaz 😉 Or more realistically, trade him for some young starting pitching for next year.
I’m thinking give him away for some rental like Baez for Crow Armstrong.
Not yet.
Something’s wrong with the organization, in any case. Look at JD Davis—the Mets couldn’t teach him to play 3B, either (and couldn’t get his hitting back on track), but he was instantly better in every regard after going to SF. He’s even among the top three 3Bman on defense in the NL, by OAA.
That strongly suggests organizational failure.
with as often as Marte has been injured in his career it surprised me to see that he averages over 100 games per season including 2020.
Great player, just always seems to be hurt.
Only 60 games were played in 2020, so he couldn’t have averaged 100.
He’s saying even with those 60 he averages 100. Jeez. Bring something to the table with your comments please.
Baty has been terrible. But why are we done with him after one year ? Some guys take a little time. Heck trout was terrible his first little bit of time in his first taste. Yeah smaller sample size but still. Give the guy a chance. Let him try and figure it out and see what he brings in September of March.
Baty had a horrible road trip. The plan should be for him to go down and miss the cubs and the Braves series and get confidence back in the minors.
This will be a big test of his character can he hit rock bottom and work through the issues in order to return
So if one data point is 60, an average of multiple years cannot be 100?
What? Buddy, go back to math class man. I haven’t looked at his games played, but just that sentence alone makes me sad for you.
They are all correct. When one uses the term ‘average’, it could include a set of numbers that includes even -0-.
Good move. See if he could gain some confidence along with pitch recognition skills in AAA. Should prob play winter ball too.
Baty is just an overhyped prospect. Not shocking as it’s the Mets.
@LarryJ4 The Mets had overhyped prospects? I thought the Mets didn’t have many prospects at all and have been trying to fix that.
Some people like to have it both ways. That way it’s easier to troll.
Baty was overhyped. As far as their other prospects I honestly don’t know nor care tbh. Seems they’re mismanaged anyway.
Everyone enjoys a little Mets bashing, but they aren’t in charge of ranking prospects. BP, BA, and MLB all ranked him between #17 and #33.
Not that other teams, such as the Yankees, overhype their prospects or anything.
Estevan Florial and Deivi Garcia, just to name two.
And Jasson Dominguez is supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
This seems an odd choice. He’s been bad, but so are the mets? Maybe they plan to bring him back up before the end of the season
He’s been bad, but so are the mets?
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One has nothing to do with the other. You demote kids when you think they have stuff to learn. You can’t do that with McNeil, Marte, etc.
Baty’s ceiling is .250 with 15hrs. I’d take that from 3rd any day of the week. I think hes average, nothing special. Hes not cut out for the majors right now. The long 162 game season has really gotten to him. He started off hot and then went downhill from there
Wow, you think that’s his ceiling and you’d be fine with? You’re cool with Dave Magadan V2.0 playing at 3B for a team that wants to win?
Yes, if he winds up hitting .288 for his career like Magadan . And also winds up as a hitting coach for 20 years. I would absolutely take that
That is awful low production out of a third base man. I think the Mets need more for that positions especially when you take a guy like Jeff McNeil who hits mainly only singles.
If you’re right about his numbers the big issue with him is that his defensive is not good enough. He is not going drive in or save enough runs to that spot down.
Mets may be better off over winter teaching him several spots and having him as a back up bench player.
Baty can’t play ANY spots on defense, and you want to teach him a bunch of positions?
Ah, you’re a member of the Mets front office! 🙂
Those numbers are not good enough from 3b. Why would you take that?
@VonPurpleHayes realistically, the Mets thirdbase spot hasn’t been good in years. Outside of JD Davis, who was a horrible defender, none of our thirdbasemen have been able to hit. Jonathan Villar, Escobar (had a hot Septemember but most of the year he was awful last year), Guillorme, etc. None of those guys were batting .250 with 15 hrs. I thought the Mets in 2021 should have went after Arenado, he would have been perfect for this team. Instead Cohen went after Lindor. If we had Arenado instead of Lindor batting third + Giminez at shortstop, this team may of actually won the World Series last year. Not blaming Eppler because he wasnt there for the Lindor trade but I honestly believe Alderson was trying ti sabotage the team. Lindor is the best defense shortstop in the game, no doubt about that. With that being said, you can’t win ballgames unless you score runs. He is getting paid 341 million dollars. Hes one of the least clutch players in the league. While watching the games just remember what I’m about to say. If there is a guy on second in a close game, Lindor will get out. If there is nobody on, 2 outs, he will get a hit. If there is a guy on second, Mets up/down by 6 or 7 runs, he will get a hit. Hes been doing this all season long. This is why on Cleveland he batted leadoff, Tito knew he wasn’t a clutch hitter, hes a table setter. Don’t understand why they never tried batting him in the leadoff spot, makes no sense. I’d personally bat him 7th in the lineup but I’d give leadoff a chance for him
The Mets had 3B all figured out when they traded Amos Otis for Joe Foy.
Othen than with David Wright, that’s been their M.O.
3B has been the black hole for the Mets for over 50 years.
@brooklyn62 You can make an arguement that outside of Ray Knight, we really havent had any good thirdbasemen. Wright was ok but he was hugely overated. He never felt like a star
lol, I told you all when he was called up it would be a disaster. Everything I said about the team falling apart having him up came true
You have to learn to project prospects and be more realistic about prospects
Fan pressure to call Baty up contributed to this collapse
Im sure you all will not learn from this and will still be fiending for Mauricio to get the call
I can assure you, neither Vientos or Mauricio will make a major impact either
It’s sad the few of us that live in reality have to endure this
While he hasn’t found his footing, he also hasn’t been the reason for the Mets having a poor season. That’s what you implied.
That is what fans with no knowledge will all say. Mobs of them will like your post, because most people have no idea what’s going on. The one person that does, in this case me, will be the one they ridicule
The reality is moving on from Escobar and replacing him with Baty’s poor defense is the #1 reason for the collapse
They were 10-5 before he was called up and three weeks later they were 16-17, just as I predicted. Instantly the team fell apart and lost defensive and offensive coherency. Sure they still had problems, but Baty was the nail in the coffin
I predicted that the day he was called up and the clueless prospect worshippers all opposed me then too
You people have zero clue what’s going on
But I’m glad it all happened, because they came out much better off with the trades they made
@Camden453, considering only 10% of minor leaguers ever see even a day in the major leagues let alone have success, prospect projection is extremely difficult. Scouts are paid to find major leaguers and they fail at that 90% of the time. It could be said that organizational coaches failed the prospects talent, but that’s another subject. Even when a prospect is a first round pick, been scouted thoroughly, crosschecked and has the organization totally on board…that prospect only has a 66% chance of seeing a day in the majors. Scouts fail in projecting the very top echelon of prospects 33% of the time. For all the fans that think this team or that team is tanking to get better draft picks, take a look at how many top draft picks fail. Those numbers above are seeing a day in the majors…..successful major leaguers, now the percentages really plummet. Major League scouts fail at projecting at an alarming rate, all the data analytics folks fail at projecting at an alarming rate.
It’s not difficult at all
Camden453, I love the confidence! Can you give some insight as to why Bobby Miller is so inconsistent? Big body, easy repeatable motion, secondary pitches to go along with the 100MPH heater, so what do you see?
Wow. You sure have it all figured out. Escobar being replaced was the #1 reason for the Mets collapse? Unreal.
They’ll let anyone post office this board apparently. Yeah, it was all Baty’s fault.
Moving on from Escobar certainly didn’t help, but the Mets stunk with Escobar as well.
It’s pitching! The 2023 Mets can’t pitch. Having produced a collective 5.3 WAR in just under 1000 innings. They are the second or 3rd worst pitching team in all of MLB I’m dubious you based any of your opinions on data, or even watched Batty play in the minors. How you can confidently claim the promotion of Batty over Escobar is key to the team having fallen apart is even more suspect. FWIW Batty has a WRC+ of 77 in 311 PA. He replaced Escobar who has 77 WRC+ in 213 PA.
Nope. Pitching struggled because the offense instantly fell apart without Escobar
If you can’t grasp why then you are one of the many who have no idea how it works
Novices are foolish enough to cite stats. Individual stats are totally meaningless to overall team offensive output
If you can’t figure out why again you are clueless
“Individual stats are totally meaningless to overall team offensive output”
—Imagine someone not in a home saying this in earnest.
@SgtGrumbles
Don’t you know that Camden is smarter than everyone else on here? He knows more than most GM’s too. Camden could be a baseball executive but he isn’t by choice.
Yep,. They have no clue what they’re doing. Look at what the Angels just did and tel me that GMs have a clue
Trust me, they don’t. And neither do people here
People here or on Twitter haven’t a clue what’s happening
Please stop posting novices and “liking” replies from other novices
I literally spelled out step by step the day Baty was called up what would happen. Every thing I said was exactly what happened
Refrain from making any more naive comments on the internet about any of this
Probably the scouts recommended he get called up so they could get him out out of the mix sooner
Camden453: Nothing in your rambling, incoherent diatribes makes any real sense. Baty is not the #1 reason the Mets have tanked. “Pitching struggled because the offense tanked without Escobar.” “Novices are foolish enough to cite stats.” “Individual stats” are meaningless to overall offensive output. What planet are you from? Do you really believe yourself? Your Monday morning quarterbacking a move from April and without any evidence claiming to have called it. LOL. I’ve never seen a worse poster on this site than you.
Hahahaha! Omigosh dude, give it a rest. We’re gonna need a bigger board to fit your over-inflated head on here.
And what’s with the anger? Lemme guess: you were the little league kid who only played one inning a game because the coach was require to play you?
There are actually worse posters.
I may have muted most of them. This guy is just obscene.
Camden for commissioner. He’s playing chess. We’re all playing checkers. Bow to the king.
Jeez…not only the pitching, it’s also the hitting! Lack of clutch hitting with RISP this year. Alonso is hitting like Kingman 2.0, McNeil can’t seem to get on track, Lindor hits into double plays, Nimmo is in a prolonged slump. It’s foolishness to say Baty is the cause. But Camden453 is such a genius and a baseball svengali, please oh magnificent Camden,please tell us who will be in the World Series so we can line our pockets with riches and praise you even more! What a funkin’ hack…
I’m not saying the team doesn’t have problems. It always did
But when you add Vogelbach, Pham, and Baty into the mix, you can kiss it goodbye
A good GM would never add that to a team that is winning
Nor would he sign David Robertson
I also said the day they signed Robertson that now Diaz will get injured and Robertson will assume the closer role
What other projections do you want? Parada will be an average major leaguer if he’s lucky. Christian Scott is the top pitching prospect
Everyone says I’m wrong until it happens. I said when Harvey was at AAA that he’d be out of the league once he lost velocity. Draft Chris Sale, Michael Wacha, Gorman I said
This year I was calling for Houck. They actually drafted him
Last year I wanted Crawford and Barriera
I’m right 90% of the time because it is not difficult to project
Name any prospect and I’ll tell you EXACTLY what will happen
When everyone was raving about Bryce Montes De Ova I said he would just get injured, it’s absolutely inevitable
You can take one look at anyone’s mechanics to see what they’ll be
You have 90% of the industry microanalyzing their swing data. Drafting Courtney Hawkins based on the raw data
It is so easy to gather all of the top prospects in one draft because these people are going only on raw combine data
Alex Ramirez is another “he’s got raw tools” prospect. He’s not even a good prospect. Only in the minds of prospect list people who overrate “raw” power and “tools”
Literally a 98% chance he doesn’t pan out
Christian Scott is currently the 29th rated prospect by mlb pipeline. That’s absurd. These people are looking at “data” and can’t see reality
Ok…when you take the self aggrendizement out, you actually are pretty savvy. Props to you.
The data driven analytics just makes me nuts. All the college degrees in the world and nose down in numbers and figures, can’t replace the human element of heart, passion and leadership in a ballplayer. The data driven seamheads have taken alot of the simple joy of the game for me as a fan with a voluminous compendium of useless “facts”,ratings, launch angles, BABIP, yada, yada. It’s like bored nerds took over baseball and injected it with their version of watching baseball through the lens of physics/geometry/data.
@Camden453 You were right about Jankowski. He’d be the best hitter on the Mets right now. People don’t give you enough credit
@lfgmets Thank you. Exactly. He’s got a .385 OBP and 112 OPS+ now
Only 1% of people have the type of mind that can understand reality
Jankowski is actually better than Ohtani. I think baseball is beneath Jankowski. He’s too good.
So you think a team with a half-billion dollar payroll succumbed to ‘fan pressure’ rather than simply not having an actual 3Bman when it brought up Baty, who was tearing it up in the minors?
Escobar was replacement level when they brought up BB. They kept EE around for a while, in case, and they also had LG around and healthy, in case. It made sense on every level of the argument to bring Baty up, though a lot of this is on the organization for failing to teach him to field 3B competently and to be unable to sort him out at the MLB level.
Imagine punting the season, and STILL making the right move in sending Baty down. At this point it’s also on the player. Teams out of the running routinely live with young players with .620 OPS’s on the MLB roster. Both the org and Baty have really effed this one up.
They’ll rush up Acuña next and the same will happen. They expect him to be his brother Ronald and he will crack.
I suspect they will flip Luisangel before he’s ready for MLB. Mets have a SS and theres no need to waste Luisangel at 2b
lol, you suspect. Another dude who has no idea what’s going on
You people are everywhere. Absolutely no idea what’s happening
At least 99% of the people “haven’t a clue”
Of course they’re not going to flip Acuna
@camdem, your preposterously pompous prognostications have enabled you to attain genius status in your solipsistic simplemindedness.
Your pathetic passive-aggressiveness in entertaining. You, in fact, have no idea what the Mets are going to do. You may believe it would be unwise for them to flip him, but you have no clue what Cohen and Eppler (or Stearns) are going to do. What a megalomaniac you are, you classless coward
I see Toronto’s Chapman as the next Mets 3bman.
Not sure the Mets will spend the money for Chapman as they are not ready to compete. Chapman will be a 3-4 contract and be no use for the money if the Mets don’t have a team that can winn
What do you think the likelihood of Alonso getting traded is?
I’m a Giants fan, just curious..
I wasn’t sure if you were talking to me, but I do believe the chances the Mets trade Alonso are right up there with the chances of me winning “Mega Millions”. Pete is a fan favorite, still young, good teammate, posts regularly and still a very productive Major League hitter. I would trade my sister, if it improved my team, but I would NOT trade Pete Alonso because there’s no real reason to do so.
It’s a possibility. The new administration will want to move on from the Wilpon era players
But it isn’t that easy to replace a 1B like Alonso so it’s a toss up whether they actually go through with it. Probably not
Someone needs to save this response so when you later tell us “I said the Mets should have XYZ”, we can point out that you continue to really say nothing at all.
I think if Alonso gets traded it will be early spring training time. The Mets are going be looking to sell season tickets etc. Mets will
Probably be linked to a lot of free agents but sign only small deals.
Then I think reports will leak that Alonso doesn’t want to sign for the money or the years the Mets have offered. Kinda make Alonso look bad in the media before a trade
I also just don’t see how MLB at bats won’t help him for the rest of the season????
Lol Mets,
I didn’t think after the trading deadline that the Mets could keep getting worse but they still haven’t hit rock bottom. It’s just a nightmare over on Roosevelt Avenue.
The Titanic payroll hit the iceberg at the Trade Deadline and is sinking to the bottom of the NL East. Not enough lifeboats, either.
On July 18th the Mets and Cubs had identical records at 45 – 50 7 GB of the Wild Card.
Tonight they begin a series playing against each other and the Cubs are in the Wild Card while the Mets are 7.5 GB. Amazing
Not or nothing but who actually cares about the Cubs. They aren’t going nowhere they won’t make the playoffs the team is a joke.
The reality is the Mets fell apart last year when they added Vogelbach
The chemistry was never the same again. All it takes is one guy who isn’t a fit to break down the uniformity of the team. They all shared a similar mindset…until Vogelbach
Pham, Robertson, and Baty were just the final nails in the coffin
Oh I thought their collapse was when they brought Baty up? Or letting Escobar go? (By the way, how is little Eduardo doing now with a new change of scenery?). But now it’s Vogelbach’s fault.
Dude, you are a and are embarrassing yourself
I will agree with you on this. Vogelslug was a terrible pickup, as were Ruf and Naquin. Chemistry was definitely off late last year, and this year. I dare say that for as much as a HOFer that Scherzer is, he began to be a cancer last year during the last Braves series and in the WC against the Padres when he started hanging sliders for HRs.
The Mets need to trade Danny Mendick to Oakland for Richard Lovelady. The Mendick – Lovelady trade would be epic. The Mets need pitching.
Brilliant idea just for the sheer entertainment factor. I would definitely do it just for a laugh
Mendick was the only good relief pitcher on the Mets lately!
Why aren’t fingers being pointed at the hitting coach here. .250 is the best we got…that’s a hitting philosophy problem.
Agreed. Chavez did well as the Hitting Coach last year.Barnes not so well. Hefner is not a MLB level pitching coach. I wouldn’t be disappointed to see both get fired at year end.
You know your organization has hit rock bottom when you add Abraham Almonte to your major league roster. It’s hard to believe he’s still in baseball.
And another thing is Vientos and Mauricio are not even prospects. So overhyped
They aren’t even on the radar if you know what’s going on
Vientos was just a Wilpon cost cutting pick. Mauricio is never going to be more than a backup
And with the new additions Parada is actually way down on the list. Probably 8th or 9th
A few people are talking about Marte in the thread so I’ll give my opinion. I have seen him play a few games this year I am almost positive there is something wrong with his eyes. He may need that laser eye surgery.
About Baty he has no business being in the major leagues. Honestly he’s not even good enough to be a minor leaguer really. I have no idea why the Mets got rid of Escobar and paid his entire salary to boot. I’m guessing he was not liked by someone in management. The fact the Mets thought Baty could play for them really says a lot about the team. If I was the owner I would get some new blood in there for analyzing players. Whoever they have don’t have a clue.
There’s a hole in his Baty and Glovey.
The Mets fell apart when they got swept 3 games in Atlanta. Then final game was a punch to the gut. When Arcia hit the 2 out 2 strike game tying home run in the 9th; and then Albies the walk off in the 10th. The Mets went from leaving town only 1 game lost mind set to losing. Mets never recovered
I mean it’s fun to think 1 game ruined the Mets, but that’s not it. They lost their star closer before the season started. They didn’t sign Walker and Bassit despite having backend depth problems. A number of players who had career years in 2022, are MIA in 2023. They’re just not a good team.
@VonPurpleHayes Most of what you cited is attributable to the front office, as well as more generally to the organization, which has also been unable thus far to get anything of value from Megill, Butto, Lucchesi, Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio, and barely anything from Peterson.
The failure to recognize they got remarkable good health and performance relative to projections in 2022 and did so from an old roster set up the FO’s failures of 2023, and probably contributed to the decision to get even older in 2023 since age didn’t hurt them in 2022.
That’s the kind of decision a bad FO will make, and they’re likely to continue these mistakes until Cohen stops playing GM, until he stops relying on sub-mediocrities like Billy (But He Signed Ohtani in 2017!) Eppler, and until he hires a good GM and PBOPs to rebuild the organization from the ground up.
It should be obvious by now that the fiascos of 2021 and 2023 are where the true organization talent level lies for the Cohen Mets, really, and that 2022 was a lucky breather for fans.
Bloviating Mets fans and dopes like WFAN host Brandon Tierney had Baty pegged as the next Mike Schmidt. Pathetic. The Mets ate $85 million to dump their crumbling antiques Scherzer & Verlander but the Mets fan needs to uptake that “playing the kids” is likewise a dark tortuous thicket which can lead to nowhere.
The research and proofreading on this site is often dismal.
“Baty quickly pushed Eduardo Escobar to the bench (and eventually made him expendable in trade) and started the season well, mashing at a .333/.394/.467 clip through the end of April.””
—-When the Mets decided to deal Escobar he was outhitting Baty, .695 to .673 OPS for the season, and was the better fielder by DRS and OAA. Escobar had also been completely outhitting Baty since Baty was brought up for the April 17 game, with EE posting a line of .323/.373/.548 for a .922 OPS from April 17 on with the Mets, compared to BB’s OPS of .673.
When the Mets brought Baty up, Escobar’s OPS was .402 (!) and they simply handed Baty the job. Escobar completely outplayed Baty after that.
In fact the Mets dealt Escobar because the FO especially Cohen was already bailing on the team’s 2023 season. They were 13 games behind the Braves, they were 5 games under .500, and were doing nothing well. The Angels needed a bat, EE was playing extremely well, so they offered respectable prospects for him.
If the Mets want to trade Marte, Marlins will gladly give you Avi Garcia.
I’m so glad that Camden453 came out of his brief retirement to educate and entertain all of us. I especially like his take on the Mets signing David Robertson. That a good GM wouldn’t have signed him, and even better, it’s the reason Diaz got injured. Pure comedy gold. Please don’t leave us again.