The Mets’ selloff at the trade deadline signaled both a concession of the 2023 season and potentially more of a turn towards the 2025 campaign, though owner Steve Cohen still expects next year’s Mets to be “very competitive” if not “as star-studded a team as it was” in 2022 and 2023. Beyond just rental players traded, Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander were also dealt in a pair of blockbuster moves, leading to a lot of speculation about what other moves the Mets might have in store for players who aren’t under longer-term control.
To this end, Pete Alonso’s future in Queens has now become subject to speculation, and it appears as though the Mets at least tested the waters about also moving the first baseman at the deadline. The New York Post’s Mike Puma writes that Alonso was “dangled” by the Mets, though “it’s unclear how serious the Mets were about trying to trade the first baseman.” It could be that the Mets were just gauging the market, as “they never came close to” an Alonso trade since no team stepped up to meet New York’s “very high” demands for a return.
Naturally the Mets weren’t going to move the slugger without getting a lot back, as Alonso carried a lot of value in a market short on available bats, let alone premium power threats who are controlled through the 2024 season. However, it could be that injury concerns might have quieted the market, as Alonso spent only 10 days on the injured list after suffering a left wrist sprain/bone bruise in early June, but then struggled after his quick return. Getting back to action on June 18, Alonso had only a .549 OPS over the 107 plate appearances following his IL stint.
Alonso has looked a lot more like his usual self over the last few weeks, giving rival teams at least some assurance prior to the deadline that his wrist was recovered. For the season as a whole, Alonso entered today’s action with a .226/.325/.532 slash line and 35 homers over 453 PA, with solid peripheral numbers except for a minuscule .200 BABIP that has held down his batting average.
In short, Alonso would still be a big trade chip for New York to place on the table this winter, if the club did have designs on eventually moving the slugger. Alonso has one more year of arbitration eligibility remaining so he’ll earn a raise on his $14.5MM salary for 2023, and he’ll be 30 years old on Opening Day 2025, following his scheduled trip to free agency during the 2024-25 offseason.
In a poll earlier this week on MLBTR, 51 percent of readers polled felt the Mets should sign Alonso to an extension rather than trade him or wait until the 2024 season to pursue either course. The Mets haven’t been shy about locking up key players during Cohen’s time as owner, though Alonso is just about the only prominent Met who hadn’t yet gotten a new longer-term deal. Of course, this doesn’t mean that Alonso’s status wasn’t or isn’t eventually going to be addressed, especially since Cohen said he wants to “work things out” on an extension, and described Alonso as “an integral part of the Mets.”
The Mets might opt to playing the waiting game on two different fronts with Alonso this winter. If extension talks aren’t getting anywhere, the Mets could pursue a trade more fervently, with any information gathered during their deadline talks acting as perhaps a stepping stone to an eventual deal in a few months’ time. Conversely, the Mets could hold off on long-term contract talks with Alonso until the more normal extension negotiation period of Spring Training, and only take that route after first using the winter to more fully gauge the market in case a suitor meets their asking price.
harrystyles
Trade him he’s so corny and annoying. Let him rot in Cleveland or summat. No charisma
HBan22
Trade him because he’s “corny”? Try taking into account what he actually does on the field, maybe.
harrystyles
I certainly considered it. Couldn’t get beyond corny and annoying. See ya
gbs42
Yeah, see ya.
Wren
feel the same way about harry styles when my kid talks about him
tangerinepony
Harry styles is related to harry colon
myaccount2
If you can’t get beyond “corny and annoying” without considering performance, you’re more interesting in the theatrics than the baseball. Pretty much a fake fan, end of story.
Bart Harley Jarvis
I believe he’s also a relative of Ginger Minge.
disgustingomar
Mint…lol
disgustingomar
Lmao
bumpy93
any relation to Harry nutzz?
Yeti
He has an emotional meltdown on the field almost every game, so that can be taken into account
harrystyles
Thanks Yadi. Also he’s fat
Yeti
He is. He also just melted down again seconds ago, acting like a big baby slamming stuff in the dugout
Mrsuntan
Wouldn’t you if you had to live in that 3rd world city playing for that joke of a team?
mlb fan
You clearly have no idea what “3rd world city” means.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Alonso is the one that plays first base. You’re thinking of McNeil. Great effort though.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Mrsuntan I think all those rays might be affecting your brain. What flyover city you live in, bud?
Mrsuntan
One of the red states that all the new york trash keep moving to and ruining
myaccount2
All flyover states are already ruined by being boring with nothing to do.
Mrsuntan
Then why do so many of you losers keep moving there?
Highwaymenace
New York is a far cry from what it used to be. It’s crime and homelessness make it on par with many third world places. Seems accurate to me.
myaccount2
Because lower income people in expensive states want cheaper housing. Some of those people are forced out of more interesting states or are okay accepting boredom for paying less.
myaccount2
@highwaymenace- NYC isn’t even that dangerous per capita in America (it isn’t top 50), and it certainly isn’t on par with Tijuana, Caracas, Ciudad Juarez, San Pedro Sula, Acapulco, Cape Town, and so on.
Mrsuntan
They are “forced” out by their braindead BLUE politicians and their crazy laws that favor the scum over decent hard working people, who they tax to death. You can keep that mindset away from us
D2323
.820 OPS and a bunch of homers. Good not great. He’s a very good player who probably wants a superstar sized contract over like 10 years which the Mets can’t afford CBT tax wise which is why negotiations aren’t going anywhere. Mets are smart exploring trades for him it’s not wise tying up all that money on Pete. I’m a Mets fan and love the guy but he’s not consistent enough at this point. If he can come back next year and OPS over .900 they can reconsider giving him 25 mil a year or whatever he wants.
drewm
Alonso had insanely bad batted ball luck this year and it’s still at only .200 BABIP. He still barrels up and hits hard, but right at guys. Poster child for positive regression at the deadline
Gator50
Alonso is actually at .856 OPS, and .879 for his career. Last I checked, that’s quite better than most. Mistake by Mets is that they should have upgraded his contract/$ last off season and give him the modest extension into ’26. He may have jumped on it just to take his arb years salary up significantly.
JackStrawb
@Gator50 Doubtful. The most valuable thing Alonso has to sell, by far, is his age 30 FA season. He’s in the tier of players who decline significantly after entering their 30s. Sell that to the Mets and expect to lop $40-50m off his FA deal if it begins in 2026.
DBH1969
Positive regression. Ya, the rest of us call that progression.
EasternLeagueVeteran
Wait !!! Pete Alonso is having a 3.0 WAR season ( yeah it feels like it) while Gary Sanchez is having a 2.3 WAR season in San Diego ??? And Dan Stay-Puft Vogelbach is having a -0.5 WAR season.
Originally I thought that Stat was bogus, but it certainly shows that holding onto Polar Bear’s friend at DH “at a critical time in the season”, way before the trade deadline, was the bigger mistake.
I almost hope Luke Voit and Abraham Almonte get signed by contending teams and play well and show the Mets that they have made 3 bad mistakes keeping Stay-Puft around all season when they had his replacements in their own system.
And if that is on Buck, then Buck must go.
I just don’t think it is.
myaccount2
@DBH- Positive regression is an actual math term. Progression, in this case, would be Alonso actually getting better in terms of ability; positive regression is no difference in ability, just better results.
DBH1969
You guys are breaking my brain lol. Can’t we just say better results? Fewer letters and syllables. Hey, even better yet, he is having “good luck”. 2 words, 2 syllables, no DBH brain bleed hah.
myaccount2
I’m sure we could! Honestly, I’m not sure I’ve ever used that term in my life because it bothers me a bit, too, haha. I think I’d say something along your lines, maybe: “Alonso has had terrible luck this season, he’s definitely due for an increase in positive results and surely he’ll see an uptick in numbers…” Something like that.
DBH1969
See,MA2… THAT I understood hah!
Positive Regression. The oxymoron that isn’t. Who knew?
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Smh
I happen to like the Polar Bear
harrystyles
No charisma
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
What do you want Dwayne the Rock Johnson
Plenty of charisma
Decent actor
But not good enough to play in the Nfl
harrystyles
Someone who acts like a star should be able to back that up. He cannot. No charisma. Corny and annoying
myaccount2
I would love to see your list of MLB “stars.”
harrystyles
Yeah I bet you would
@DaOldDerbyBastard
harrystyles Congratulations on your badge. Sorry baseball isn’t as exciting as your Tiger Beat magazines.
harrystyles
What is a Tiger Beat magazine?
VonPurpleHayes
Charisma is probably the least important trait for an athlete.
harrystyles
I’ve offered only valid criticisms
mlb fan
“Who acts like a star should be able”…I see the problem here; you’re clearly tuned to the wrong channel. “Dancing With the Stars” and “American Idol” are over on Channel 13, not on MLB Network. You’re welcome.
myaccount2
Imagine spending money on ad-free and then using the boards to troll instead of having intelligent baseball conversation.
iverbure
What’s everyone best fit for a Alonso trade?
Orioles- doesn’t really fit timeline, don’t want to trade prospects for rentals
Bluejays- already have 1b who’s not great at d who bats RH
Redsox- might have a budding star in Casas guess they could use a DH
Yanks- another Rh power only bat who’s limited defensively?
Rays- certainly have the farm and probably always need another bat, very unlike the rays to give up the assets for what would certainly be a rental for them.
Tribe- see rays. They also traded civale for their future 1b
White sox- should be tanking
Royals- don’t need rentals
Tigers- don’t need rentals
Twins- I don’t know what they’re doing the fact they’re struggling to win that division should tell you they don’t need any big splashy moves.
Houston- don’t need him
A’s- good one
Angels- right up their alley. Big splashy to help convince Ohtani to come back they’re high on my list of front runners.
Texas- I don’t think they really need him but I think they’d be interested
Mariners- always seem to be after more power. They’ll be building a new stadium by the tell they get smart often just to move the fences in.
Atl, phillly, nationals don’t need him
Marlins- another team always searching for power
Cardinals- have Goldschmidt
Reds- need pitching
Brewers- can’t afford him
Cubs- probably would be better off waiting till free agency
Pirates- too soon, too cheap
Dodgers- don’t need him
Rockies- need to tank
Dbacks- have bigger needs
Giants- definitely could use the bat but probably more interested in more controllable guy
Padres- always down for dumb flashy move.
I’ve got the angels and padres as front runners. Mariners 3rd I think.
william-2
I agree. Angles are front runner. Giants should seriously make a love to address that lineup. Wilmer Flores at first?
Melchez17
“Imagine spending money on ad-free and then using the boards to troll instead of having intelligent baseball conversation.”
He probably whined to his mom to pay for it. She only did it because she thinks he’s the best kisser of all the kids.
mookiesboy
He keeps using that word – I don’t it means what he think it means – Andre the Giant in Princess Bride
carlos15
Corny and annoying isn’t valid criticism it’s a list of your personal traits
BCleveland3381
Harry styles fans think Pete Alonso is corny. That is rich…..
websoulsurfer
Well, half this thread is going away. First and last time I will see one of your comments.
dave frost nhlpa
Bure just dumped the rough draft of his blog.
I’ve always enjoyed the mansplaining.
MLBeeMovie
Yeah. Real jerk move by that turd crumb
iverbure
You’re welcome you need to read anything I write in full detail.
LFGSD619
@iverbure Did you ever find those players who refused to sign with a team specifically *because* they traded him?
dixoncayne
He win the division if he played in Cleveland
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I give Alonso credit for not hoppin’ and boppin’ all over the place during this year’s home run derby.
Jurassic Carl
Bro your talking about corny with a username “Harry Styles” a dude known for rocking dresses…YOUR corny.
Indianfan
You must have loved the Lindor trade. So do the Guards and their fans. lol
DrDan75
You know who else is “corny” with no chatisma? Mike Trout.
william-2
As the first round, number 15 pick of the 1971 major league draft the Boston Red Sox select Jim Rice from T.L. Anderson High School in South Carolina. WAIT!!!! One sec, the Red Sox have just informed me they change their selection to Jeff Wehmeier from Indianapolis. Very strange. They say he has no personality and charisma. They fear it will overshadow his elite hitting tool set, and drive fans out of the stadium.
I wouldn’t care if my team drafted a cardboard cutout if it could hit 35+ homeruns a year with 100 RBI’s.
Oddball Hererra
If they aren’t trying to compete in 2024 it would have been dumb not to
Captain-Judge99
If the Mets get 2 top prospects in someone’s 1-5, and another prospect in some teams 10-15, then it could be worth it, if not then no deal. Alonso is the Met’s Judge, they should try their best to sign him long term lst, my guess they will, north of $300 million.
mlb fan
“North of 300 M”..Talk about overvaluing players; I like Pete and think he’s a good player, but he’s not even close to elite 1bman like Freeman, Olson or Goldy. If Pete is even seeking north of 200 M, he’ll be waiting an awful long time. No WAY Cohen pays him almost DOUBLE what Freeman, Goldy or Olson got.
Yanks4life22
Mets already have a $300+ mil contract in Lindor and Alonso has been a better player than him every single day since the ink dried on that paper. They should have thought about the repercussions of that contract before they recklessly handed it out. Now everyone who is better than Lindor (gonna be a lot of their players going forward) will feel entitled to that money and they should as they are outperforming a fellow employee on the reg.
Sunday Lasagna
At some point Lindor may need to move off SS as his body ages and slows. If Baty, and Acuna are the left side of the IF by 2026, Lindor might be the first baseman. Banks made the move from SS to 1B as a 31 year old, Carew made the move from 2B to 1B as a 30 year old, so it wouldn’t be unheard of for a MI like Lindor to go to 1B.
Tigers3232
@Yanks, Lindor has been 50$ more productive than Alonso this year alone. The notion that Alonso has been the better player every day is utterly false. They keep statistics on those type of things….
D2323
yeah you don’t watch Lindor he’s worth way more than Pete he’s a gold glove shortsop with a 120 OPS+ on the year those are way more rare than 1B/DH power hitters he’s one of the top all around SS in the game there is not one person on the mets roster deserving of big money than him
D2323
Acuna’s best position is 2b and that’s where he will play. And you’re completely undervaluing Lindor’s current defensive ability he’s a phenomenal defensive SS showing no signs of slowing down.
Yanks4life22
Yeah his numbers the last 3 years scream elite lol
His value is in his defensive metrics which is still a extremely volatile and inaccurate measurement. Not saying he isn’t great defensively but it doesn’t justify $300mil.
And no he isn’t even close to as valuable as Alonso is. There are plenty of better SS’s out there…..Wander, Bichette, Witt Jr., Seager….heck Trea Turners horrible 2023 is right in line with Lindors stat line. I’d even take Tatis and Siemen who were moved to other positions at SS over Lindor. How many 1b can you put ahead of Alonso? Freeman is really the only clear cut option. Alonso has out homered Olsen over the last 5 years so that’s a tough argument to make that Olsen is the clear cut superior player when their stat lines look similar outside of Pete out homering him. Goldy WAS better than both Alonso and Olsen but looks like Father Time got him this year.
Tigers3232
Lindor is currently the 2nd most valuable SS in baseball as he was first last year. Alonso is currently 3rd behind Freeman and Olason as he was last year. That’s just by position.
But in total value provided, again Linfor is 50% limited valuable and that is a measurable.
websoulsurfer
6.8 WAR and 4.3 WAR with 25% of the season to go. Yeah, Lindor is elite.
There is no SS that the Mets can possibly add their team that is better than Lindor. There might now be a better SS period.
But you are a troll that really doesn’t care about facts, you just want to troll. You succeeded.
Yanks4life22
Oh you poor soul with the WAR. It can’t be wrong right? It’s an absolutely flawless stat and whatever it says is gospel. JC think for yourself man.
websoulsurfer
And you just proved that you are both stupid and simply a troll. Love that mute button.
raisinsss
The guy who criticizes war just used “# of homers over the past 5 years” to compare him to Matt Olsen.
This kind of post is wrong enough to be useless but not wrong enough to be funny.
showman
Put down the crack pipe. It’s not even close.
Francisco Lindor 2023 Value: $34.2 million, 4.3 WAR
Pete Alonso 2023 Value: $19.9 million, 2.5 WAR
Lindor 2022 Value: $54.0 million, 6.8 WAR
Pete Alonso 2022 Value: $31.9 million, 4.0 WAR
Paleobros
What’s the difference between a Yankees fan and a dentist? One roots for the Yanks, the other Yanks for the roots.
jvent
8/$200 that’s enough, especially since he’s not great defensively, $25 mill is good for him, if they happened to trade him , where would their power come from, I would trade Alonso and Baty to Atlanta for Olsen and Riley lol, if the Mets were to trade him, what would they get , they should sign Josh Bell to DH and backup plan IF ? But I could see a batting order of Acuna, Nimmo, Lindor, Alonso, Bell, Alvarez, McNeil, Marte and Baty, but instead of trading Alonso, I would trade Marte and McNeil instead, they could play 1 of their young prospect OF and maybe sign Bellinger..
Yanks4life22
Lolol okay okay have fun with Lindor and his “winning ways”
I’m aware the Yankees are sinking…..love when other fans are delusional though and can’t admit things. Lindor is not a winning player. Anybody who ACTUALLY WATCHES him will say the same. You looked up obscure stats that have been proven to be highly volatile…..and you don’t even understand how they work!!!! Some website gives you a number and you run with it Lolol. So sad. People just blindly believe anything.
mrmet5
You think Cohen knows baseball?
Yanks4life22
TBD….I think he will figure it out and get the right people in place eventually. There was a stigma attached to him and the Mets franchise by the rest of baseballs front offices and they still are getting their baseball op’s sorted out. I think once Stearns inevitably comes over to the Mets and has an unlimited budget it will be sorted out quickly.
Gotta remember they are doing this all with a horrible GM right now bc that’s the only one who would take the job out of fear of being blackballed out of the game by the rest of the front offices.
BaseballisLife
A horrible GM that won 101 games in his first year. Do you even realize how stupid that sounds?
Yanks4life22
A horrible GM who allowed a 100 win team to collapse by not addressing a single need at the 2022 trade deadline and allowing the Braves and Padres to steam roll them in mediocrity which has held true to this day.
A horrible GM who spent more than anyone ever in the history of baseball fighting to stay out of last place.
A horrible GM who floundered having a combo of Trout/Ohtani bc he could not build a team around them.
A horrible GM that baseball collectively agrees is trash and only got a job that nobody else in baseball with experience would touch.
Do you know how stupid you sound defending Epler?
Tigers3232
A GM who spent at the owners discretion to try and attempt a stop gap at contending without leveraging the teams future whatsoever. And even expediting the future when breaking it down.
Mind you it is the richest owner in the sport by far, so the $ he paid attempting to do so had little impact on him relative to his net worth.
BaseballisLife
I agree with what you said about them needing to extend him. I just see the Olson deal as the comp to what he will get.
LFGSD619
Can still sign him if they do trade him.
iverbure
While it’s true, usually it doesn’t happen. Teams who want players don’t trade them for a year to resign them later they just pay the player and not take the chance. If you’re someone reading this thinking it happens often please cite examples. If you’re struggling to come up with a example and the one example you do have is 5 years old, my statement is true and I should just say it doesn’t ever happen because it happening once 5 years ago is the same as it’s never happened or doesn’t ever happen. It’s like people suggesting sign and trades at the trade deadline which also don’t happen.
toptimrubies
huh?
LFGSD619
@iverbure Bruh I can name 10 players that signed with teams that traded them for every one player you can name who refused to sign with a team specifically *because* they traded him!
JackStrawb
So Alonso, who clearly isn’t in Goldschmidt, Olson, or Freeman’s tier among FA isn’t going to just beat their deals, he’s going to double them?
Welcome to Bizarro World.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Hmmm, so the story says the Mets “dangled” Alonso, well that’s interesting because my wife just said I need to stop “dangling” my dingle.
brooklyn62
Sounds like you have more of a proprietary dongle than a dingle.
Captain-Judge99
@Ignorant- Dangling it’s alright though, but playing with your dingy or dingle isn’t, especially if your out in public. You can get hurt that way, or hurt someone else.
cah011381
It’s perfectly natural to dangle your Peter once in a while.
This one belongs to the Reds
If they don’t think he’s signing, they’d be fools not to.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Leverage in future negotiations matters. If they cave to a weak offer, other teams may not take them seriously and could harm the team in the long-term.
Yeti
As star studded as the 2023 team? Cohen fits the Mets like a glove. Match made in heaven
95mphslider
The guy is a total idiot as an owner, truly clueless when it comes to baseball, and Mets fans continue to worship him, all through his 2nd disaster season in just 3 years as owner, because he’s rich. If there was ever a fanbase that deserves exactly what they get, it’s them.
Yeti
Lol I totally agree. Now they are going to “sort of rebuild” which I find hilarious because the Mets have been in that mode as far back as I can remember. Basically, hope to be a middling wildcard team with a huge payroll that gets lucky in November.
95mphslider
They’ll bring back Tommy Pham, overpay Eduardo Rodriguez, and get one relief pitcher who was good in 2014, and their fans will throw a parade because the owner owns many expensive sculptures. It’s not a baseball team, it’s a cult.
BaseballisLife
He bought a team that was coming off a season with a .423 win percentage and a bottom 5 farm system.
In 2 years the Mets won 101 games. In 3 years they have the 12th ranked farm system.
If that is an idiot, every team needs one at the top.
Yeti
Did they hang a banner in the stadium for the 12th ranked farm system? What an incredible accomplishment!!!
Sunday Lasagna
@yeti, did someone on the Mets piss on your shoes?
roob
Love the mute feature now.
95mphslider
Okay, they had one good year after reverting back to being a total laughing stock. Congratulations!
That 12th ranked farm system isn’t gonna change that laughing stock status anytime soon either. They literally have no good young players at the MLB level besides Alvarez. Not one. They’re years away from being remotely competitive and only have a Wild Card round exit to show for it.
websoulsurfer
Well BIL, you found the biggest idiot on the board.
websoulsurfer
They have had 2 drafts and 1 international free agent signing period since Eppler was hired. WTF did you expect? Are you really that stupid or do you just play a moron on baseball boards?
BaseballisLife
Yes to both, but sadly not the biggest one.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
95mphslider How is that Cohen’s fault? They were drafted before he owned the team. You just sound like a bitter idiot. He’s doing what he can to build a team and look to the future. It doesn’t happen overnight. Now wipe your chin and go back in the corner.
Ma4170
You all are on crack saying alonso isn’t in olson’s tier. He clearly is… in fact, olson has had to have a fantastic year to even it out. Last three years WRC+ olson 140 alonso 137
Ops+ olson 142 alonso 138
Yeah theyre worlds apart
drasco036
Worst part of being in New York is Alonzo’s terrible commercials.
As a Cubs fan, I really wish they would have dealt him, dude single handily won the series for the Mets.
RunDMC
They’re almost as bad as the city’s smoking scare commercials. If they could make an anti-smoking commercial using cringe Alonso — that’d reduce bad local TV ads by half.
cleonswoboda
WTF? you don’t like pancakes?!?
Churchill’s Pancakes
Who doesn’t like pancakes?
95mphslider
How many players actually sign extensions right before their contract year? Seems like he’d be betting against himself. Maybe they do offer more than he’d ever get on the open market, but even then, he’d be giving up the one chance he has in his prime to play for an organization that isn’t a total dumpster fire.
BaseballisLife
34 since 2010 according to Spotrac extension tracker.
KingZeke8
You know what? I don’t blame them either. He’ll be 30 at the end of 2024 when he hits free agency, generally when hitters begin to decline (if they haven’t already). He’s still a great hitter for sure, but according to Max Scherzer’s comments, the Mets are aiming to return to real contention in 2025-2026. Do you really wanna have that contract hanging over you going into that window. What, $30-$35 million a year for however many years? I think he’s destined to get flipped in all honesty.
websoulsurfer
If you believe Scherzer, I have beach front property in Arizona I would like to sell you cheap.
MPrck
You have to wonder about the C word. He’d be a natural to succeed with the Yankee’s. A recreation of multiple years of the Mantle Maris wonder season. I don’t like reading of collusion between the Mets and Yankee owners. I defiantly don’t like the fact that the so called commissioner hasn’t righted the Galarraga perfect game wrong. That was a real tragedy. The umpire went up with the wrong hand while the runner was a stride away, no going to the back of the glove nonsense, he wasn’t there. It was stolen from him, right the wrong.
Alonso and Judge would go a long way to making baseball great again. Of course if there is collusion then it needs to be looked into. If the Mets keep him or not after next season the smart move is to trade him. Of course the Ohtani sweepstakes goes on first, Having Judge and Alonso on the same team would be the perfect fit, and if it doesn’t happen ?
RunDMC
Collusion? Don’t you have to have a distinct advantage then? Someone is going to overpay Alonso and he’s bound not to age well. Just let him go back home to Tampa for a modest chunk of change (remember they reportedly had the highest Freeman offer) and go all-in for the Sho-hei Kid.
iverbure
You think the rays are going to sign Pete Alonso and Ohtani. If you actually think either one of those things have even 0.00001 of happening which they do not whatsoever, you should bet 100 bucks on it to happen and buy a nice vehicle.
That’s the nice thing about betting being legal now, and you don’t even need to bet even a 100 to make multiple 1000s when you say ridiculous things like that. And don’t be one of those “I shoulda been bettors” I hear at the casino every night.
RunDMC
@iverbure – No, I don’t think TB will sign Alonso, but I’m just proposing scenarios. Alonso is a hometown boy & TB extended a surprising amount of cash for a 1B (Freeman) 2 offseasons ago. If they’re serious about moving into a new stadium and contending, would that do that again? Do they see him as a fit? He’d be a great poster boy and may consider a sizable, albeit not winning offer, if they’re serious…and he wants to go back home. I’d see PHI/NYY/CHC having some interest, but only if it’s not a contract at peak value.
Re: the Shohei reference was in regards to NYY, not TB.
iverbure
I have no idea why the Yankees would have any interest in an expensive RH power only bat who doesn’t field a position very well. I can see why fans would think that’s a good idea as they don’t have any idea how important defence is.
websoulsurfer
Alonso is a 5 DRS/0 OAA defensive player this season and has similar career numbers. At the very least league average. with the glove. He is definitely not a defensive liability. The past 3 seasons he has a .257 BA and .342 OBP so he is not power only.
JackStrawb
@iverbure Two stipulations:
1. Alonso is below average on defense, but not by a lot.
2. Defense at the corners declines more slowly than we think it does.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Where are the LolMets comments? I come here for those. Also, where are those Mets fans wishing Texas finished under. 500 because they couldn’t get over deGrom leaving them? They did get their wish, just for the wrong team lol…
@DaOldDerbyBastard
I’m glad they didn’t sign deGrom. Love the guy but he’s damaged goods. I’m also happy for Texas. I’d love to see deGrom win another CY and wouldn’t be upset if Texas brought home a championship.
nbresnak
Teams always do their due diligence and the trade deadline. It doesn’t mean much at all.
The Mets will eventually sign Alonso to another contract by extension before he becomes a Free Agent in the off-season or at the end of 2024 as the Mets did with Nimmo and Edwin Diaz.
LFGM!!!
Rsox
Outscored 27-3 at home in a Double-header today so it’s not like they would be really any worse without him. That being said, they traded Scherzer, Verlander and sacks of cash for magic beans they probably shoukd have taken whatever minor leaguer they coukd have got for Alonso
websoulsurfer
Difference is Alonso is 28 and under team control another year. Scherzer and all the rest of the guys the Mets traded were old. 34 was the youngest. 3 of the 5 were 38 and up. The Mets want sustainable excellence, and you can’t do that with 20% of your team being older than dirt.
ChuckyNJ
They take aggregate into account only in soccer, never in baseball.
If it ain’t about losing 21-3 in the day game, it’s about the Fox nightcap that culminated with a towering upper-deck HR by Ozzie Albies.
Butter Biscuits
Juan Soto for Pete Alonso and a high level prospect
websoulsurfer
After the dressing down Machado and Soto gave the rest of the Padres team, I am sure trades are coming in the offseason. It just won’t be Soto.
It would take much more than Soto and a single prospect to get Soto. They are in a different class of hitters. Alonso is good. Soto is top 5 or so in the game.
Braves Butt-Head
Pete Alonso unleashed the “Throw it again” curse upon the Mets and probably should be traded
Domingo111
Resigning him will be a tough decision.
He will be 29 next season. A 6-7 years Deal would be very good but he likely will want 10 and it could end like pujols or miggy.
On the other hand the Mets probably won’t get a better first Baseman for the next 3-4 seasons, they could but baty or vientos there but neither probably is as good as alonso, especially vientos has big hit tool concerns.
But of course the Mets also need a lot of pitching so saying that money would help too.
aragon
The Angels should have traded for him at the deadline to play in the postseason. And trade him during the offseason.
websoulsurfer
What is far more likely is that after the trade of Scherzer teams contacted the Mets and asked if he was available. Then they were told, “Sure. Here is what it would take, your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ranked prospects and a major league 1B” to which the other teams quickly said, “well, if you don’t want to trade him you should have just said so..”
I sincerely doubt he was “dangled” in trade talks. The Mets only traded 34+ year old players.
nbresnak
Finally, it’s an actual comment that makes sense. Agreed!
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Trading Alonso would have been immensely unpopular with Mets fans.
Benjamin101677
Mets suck they have scored 3 runs in 3 games
raisinsss
They’ll never catch the As or Rockies, but I do think they’re after a top 6 pick. And at this rate, they’ll get it.
Outside of Senga and Quintana they don’t stand a chance of winning.
BaseballisLife
Its a lottery now, so is that why you said top 6?
raisinsss
Yup
Clubs that are $40 million or more above the threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
They can’t get a top 10 because of the luxury tax penalty. Their draft pick drops 10 slots for exceeding by $40 million.
raisinsss
Wrong. I just posted the exact rule.
They can’t get pick 7-16. (Subject to other disappointing teams…)
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Okay
LordD99
The wise choice is the difficult choice. Trade him or let him play out his contract. The power is obviously real, but his overall hitting skillset, led by a middling walk rate (for a power hitter), doesn’t look to age well as he enters his 30s. I don’t see Once he experiences some loss of bat speed
LordD99
Hit post in mid-sentence.
…”I don’t see him being worth $25MM+ once he experiences some loss of bat speed.”
If they are intent on signing him longer term, I’d do it now with a higher AAV that doesn’t take him past his age-33 season. He might not go for that.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Power is generally the last thing to go.
BaseballisLife
His OBP over the past 3 seasons is 80 points higher than his BA. That indicates he is taking walks at an above average clip.
His 9.7% walk rate is substantially higher than the 8.3% league average over that period. It has gone up to 10% this season.
If you just take into account the 9 hitters with 30 plus home runs per season over that period he is almost exactly average in that group for walk rate. He also has the 2nd lowest K% in that group.
SupremeZeus
Let the guy go to the open market and wait him out. The number he is looking for is not out there. Let him come back hat in hand and he will take what Uncle Steve says he is worth.
BaseballisLife
You talked to his agent and know the number he is looking for?
pmollan
I guarantee that if David Stearns is hired this winter, Alonso will go. He is not the type of player Stearns and Co. value.
BaseballisLife
He’s not a Rowdy Tellez, Luke Voit, or Carlos Santana type?
Is that because Alonso is actually a good power hitter and Stearns prefers bad ones?
Trying to understand your logic here, so help us out.
pmollan
Actually not valuing the player/position is exactly how you wind up with cast-offs and re-treds.
BaseballisLife
So you are trying to say Stearns is stupid?
pmollan
Sure. If that’s what you’re hearing.
Melchez17
Verlander was called a “Diva” by an unnamed Mets player… ?
Melchez17
Top 3 teams with the Highest payrolls… Mets, Yankees, Padres all lost last night. going 0 for 4 (Mets had a double header). They got outscored 33 to 6. For $860 Million, they now have a combined record 168 and 183. OUCH!!!! And these teams have recently been in the playoffs… it’s not like they are rebuilding. They were supposed to be favorites to win their divisions. What a huge disappointment.
DBH1969
@Melchez. Well, as a Red Sox fan, I feel zero disappointment about the Yankees. In fact, I am out right giddy about it 🙂
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Melch That’s why the games are played. Nobody actually wins on paper.
DCartrow
Wonder how much the Mets would be willing to take for Frank the Tank in a fan swap.
That is one explosively and cussedly abrasive sob!!
But oh so funny!
suntv
Spoiler Alert: they did not trade him in July
padam
They considered it, and should. Defensively he’s below average and his hitting focus is touching all 4 bags (protect the plate on a two strike count – a single isn’t too bad). Outside of that, he’s an improved version of Dave Kingman. As a Met fan, I wouldn’t be disappointed if they did move him – I can use a break from his whiny facial expressions and childish outbursts.
BaseballisLife
Alonso is above average in DRS and exactly average in OAA. So at the worst he is league average.
He has hit .257 with a .342 OBP over the last 3 seasons, so he is not a Dave Kingman type.
If, as a Mets fan, you wouldn’t be disappointed if they traded a player whose production cannot be replaced in the current market then I would question your understanding of baseball.
slider32
Fangraphs has Alsonzo as the 5th best first basemen over the last 3 years. I like the Polar Bear, he is a real country boy who can hit homers. Who would the Mets get that is better than him. Letting him go would make no sense to me.
jdavidbr
By the time the Mets are good again, Mr. “Throw It Again” will be on the back side of his career.
BaseballisLife
The Mets will be good next season.
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t think so, but it’ll certainly be interesting.
BaseballisLife
4th. Here is the link. fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat…
There is no one available the next 2 and possibly 3 offseasons to replace his production at 1B.
Jack Buckley
White Sox traded away good guys but kept Grandal, Moncado and Tim Anderson keeping their most unlikable team in sports tag intact. I don’t know how anyone can pay to see the games, unfortunately nothing will happen
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Um, wrong