Athletics owner John Fisher has become the subject of increasing levels of ire from a fanbase that has engineered “reverse boycotts” this season and initiated “sell the team” chants at parks throughout the league when the A’s are playing on the road. The vitriol is understandable from a group of fans that is none too pleased with the manner in which the team’s ostensible exit from Oakland has been ushered in, but Fisher unsurprisingly told Mick Akers of the Las Vegas Review-Journal yesterday that those cries have largely fallen on deaf ears.
“I have not considered selling the team,” says Fisher, noting that he and partner Lew Wolff have owned the club since 2005. “… Our goal since then has been to find a new home and build a new home for our team.”
Fisher praised the “great success stories” of new ballparks elsewhere in the league, pointing specifically to Baltimore’s Camden Yards and Atlanta’s Truist Park. He demurred when asked whether the $380MM in public funding to which the state of Nevada and Clark County have committed would meaningfully impact player payroll, instead touting how much his own family plans to invest in the stadium.
Without delving into specifics, Fisher told Akers he “(expects) that our revenues will be considerably higher in our new ballpark than they have been to date, and that that will enable us to have a higher payroll.” Later in the interview, he claimed that the A’s expect an operating loss of $40MM this season and asserted the organization lost around $175MM during the 2020 pandemic season.
Fisher’s claim of the organization’s dire financial circumstances come at a time when the A’s have slashed spending and trotted out one of the worst rosters in recent history. The A’s are on pace for a 47-115 season that’d match the ’19 Orioles for the second-worst record of the past two decades.
The club is less than three years removed from a trio of consecutive playoff appearances, headlined by back-to-back 97-win rosters in 2018-19. Those teams were dismantled via a series of trades as the A’s sliced player payroll from a franchise-record $92MM range in 2019 to just under $57MM this season, as tabulated by Cot’s Baseball Contracts. As the quality of the on-field product has dropped and the franchise has explored relocation, the fanbase has increasingly stayed away. ESPN calculates the A’s average home attendance in 2023 at a little under 10,500 fans. That’s easily the lowest in the majors and just over half the approximate 20,500 average from 2019 — the last time the A’s had a playoff team in a season with fan attendance.
Fisher told Akers that the new stadium should allow the A’s to “keep our young talent around, as opposed to sadly seeing them go to other teams.” The A’s, of course, have regularly traded players to other clubs as their young talent reaches arbitration, often lamenting that the team’s market size, stadium and television contract don’t allow them to retain core players. The open question, naturally, is one of how strongly the A’s have tried to retain said talent. Oakland hasn’t brokered an extension with a pre-arbitration player in nearly a decade. Sean Doolitte’s four-year, $10MM contract was the last extension of its kind.
The A’s reportedly put forth an offer to Matt Chapman at one point, and perhaps they’ve made other attempts in the nine years since Doolittle signed his contract. But it’s difficult to imagine they’ve been as aggressive in trying to lock up homegrown talent as other small-market organizations like the Rays, Guardians, Brewers and Pirates have. The A’s have had dozens of high-quality players graduate from their farm over the years, and the lack of subsequent contract extensions is patently bizarre — particularly for an owner that laments his ability to retain stars and inability to field a competitive payroll; most early career extensions are signed at well below-market values. Perhaps the A’s don’t want to risk being locked into a long-term deal, but the potential “burden” of being bogged down by a pre-arb extension doesn’t seem any more glaring than signing an oft-injured Trevor Rosenthal to a one-year, $11MM pact a couple years back.
Rosenthal aside, the franchise has generally done little on the free agent market. The organization’s largest contract — a $66MM extension for Eric Chavez — predated the Fisher/Wolff ownership group. A $36MM guarantee for Yoenis Cespedes shortly after he defected from Cuba stands as their largest contract of the last 18 years. Among traditional MLB free agents, Billy Butler ($30MM), Ryan Madson ($22MM) and Scott Kazmir ($22MM) are the only players to whom they’ve given a contract exceeding $20MM.
As for the relocation process itself, Fisher told Akers that the A’s have officially submitted their application to MLB. They’ll need approval of 75% of ownership groups to sign off on the move to Vegas. That’s widely expected to be granted. Fisher indicated to Tim Keown of ESPN this evening that the vote has not yet been scheduled.
The A’s lease at the Coliseum runs through the 2024 campaign. The new stadium in Las Vegas isn’t expected to be ready before ’28, leaving the franchise with some uncertainty about their home in the intervening three seasons.
Dustyslambchops23
You shouldn’t be allowed to move a team as an owner. If you fail in your city, you have to sell the team.
The leagues is basically rewarding him for his terrible treatment of the team and fans
MLB Top 100 Commenter
They have to allow that for the league and owners to extort cities into subsidizing new stadiums and upgrades.
MLB is a monopoly and the monopoly is being abused by low spending owners.
F*ckrobmanfred
And the commissioner
Drew Waters Bat
It really is the plot of Major League. She gets the team, pays no money for non-players for dirt cheap, let’s the building go to hell, will trade anything worth value for anything that hurts the fans. What’s the differences?
Unclemike1525
This must be music to A’s fans ears. That this cheapskate won’t sell.
kingbum
Exactly what I first thought too
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
^Drew waters bat, he successfully pulled off the real version of “Major League”.
GarryHarris
Model of Dominos’, Tom Monaghan of the Detroit Tigers 1983 – 1992.
Deadguy
Tell that to Stan Kronke
Money walks dude
Woods Rider
Kronke doesn’t have many fans here in Denver.
Seamaholic
Are you kidding? He just brought two titles to the city, both teams bursting at the salary cap seams. And it’s Kroenke.
Woods Rider
No, I’m not..
Colorado fans love and support their teams, but that doesn’t mean they like Kronke.
I’m not a Colorado fan, but I talk Basebal and hockey shop with them all the time and I don’t know many who like the guy.
kingbum
What do you think the definition of ownership means? It’s his team, no owner is going to seriously block his move to Vegas, especially the small market clubs that want to move too like Tampa.
its_happening
If you’ve been awake for 18 years or knew what it was like to own something, you and the way too many upvoters would not have this perspective. 18 years, plenty of red tape and many other factors the media has not reported about Oakland. It’s absurd Fisher took this long.
User 589131137
More bs from an uninformed bullsh*tter.
Pads Fans
Fisher backed out of negotiations at the 11th hour 3 times including Howard Terminal. The 4th time he was blocked by MLB and the courts in San Jose.
The failure to get a new ballpark in Oakland is 100% on Fisher.
its_happening
Not 100% on Fisher. One, because you cited the court system. Two, because you’ve probably never owned anything. You don’t say yes to a deal for the sake of saying yes to a deal. To say it’s 100% on the owner when negotiations involve two sides is absurd. A deal in-place does not mean it’s a good deal.
Pads Fans
100% on Fisher. He backed out of 3 negotiations in the 11th hour.
At Howard Terminal the city had agreed to all his asks for infrastructure funding two weeks before he was to sign the papers to start the process, then at the last minute he asked for more money. 100% on Fisher.
In Fremont he got everything he wanted but then changed his ask at the last minute.
At the site of he Coliseum, the county sold him 50% interest in the site the coliseum sits on and at the last minute he dropped out of negotiations to build there.
The only other time he tried was when he tried to say he was going to build somewhere he knew he couldn’t, San Jose. MLB and later the courts told him NO! But then he already knew that and wanted to make it SEEM like he was making an effort.
Seeing a pattern?
So YES, this is 100% on Fisher.
I get that on your Taco Bell income you don’t understand how this all works, but I am on the opposite end of the financial spectrum. I can buy your fast food workplace and not even notice the money is missing from my bank account.
Benjamin101677
Have you ever been to Oakland and the stadium? Or the new locations they wanted to move? Not very safe areas it’s a good move to move
its_happening
A great move. I do not understand the angst.
Miklo916
I mean Inglewood work for the rams what’s the difference
Pads Fans
Been to both. Never felt unsafe after a game at the Coliseum or getting on the Bart.
BOTH have lower crime rates than the Strip in Las Vegas. I HAVE been robbed at gun point on the Strip. Never even been approached by anything more than a homeless person asking for a couple bucks after a game at the Coliseum.
Its obvious you have never attended a single game there nor have you been to the strip.
Benjamin101677
For those of you not from California Oakland is a very dangerous city. Around the stadium is wall to wall homeless; lots of crime. It doesn’t have a safe atmosphere to get in or out of the ballpark. The raiders and the warriors have all left within the last few years. The site Oakland proposed in jack london square wasn’t much safer.
No fans are going go to the ballpark if they don’t feel safe. I would much rather be at a night game in Las Vegas than in Oakland for safety reasons.
Instead of being angry at the athletics should be angry at the politicians in Oakland and California that let the city get so bad.
DanUgglasRing
Trash take. Oakland is much better now that it was in the 90s (I used to live there) and there are plenty of good places they could have built a stadium in Oakland including the agreed to terminal in Jack London they already had planned. The problem here is that cities should be able to use their tax bases to invest IN THE CITY. Not buying new toys for billionaires. If you own a team it’s on you to make it work spend the money and figure it out. The point is to win. Not to tank on purpose, compromise what little integrity MLB has left, and hold cities for ransom. He’s got the money. If a team owner can’t figure it out then maybe they shouldn’t own a team.
its_happening
Oakland fans didn’t support the squad when they were winning the last 25 years. Fans have themselves to blame. Tax dollars is a result of fan voting preference in elections. Fans have sent a message they aren’t interested in supporting the A’s as well as other teams in baseball.
Rounding3rd
Your analysis is absolutely wrong. The fans have loyalty supported the team but have been worn down by absolutely horrible owners since Walter Haas sold the team. Your comments is totally misinformed.
its_happening
Stats don’t lie. A’s fans haven’t showed up. Admit what is factually true. Show up to games and prove us wrong.
Drew Waters Bat
So I can tribesman a POS and it get deleted but he tells everyone to off his kids, and it stays????? Two tiered trade rumors now too huh????
Pads Fans
Its not as dangerous as Las Vegas. You obviously have never attended a single game there.
The Raiders left because of John Fisher. Go read what Mark Davis said about Fisher and the situation in Oakland.
Howard Terminal was to be a $12 billion renovation of the neighborhood. It would have been a great place for a ballpark.
Do you want to know how safe the area is? A cruise ship company offered to lease the location from the city. Do you really think that didn’t do their homework? That they want to spend several billion and then have tourists getting off a ship and getting mugged?
Captain-Judge99
He probably should reconsider his decision if he were to stay in Oakland.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
But you have sold out the fans!
Drew Waters Bat
Your a disgrace to Baseball and Oakland. I’m not even an A’s fan. Teams should actually be required to try and be competitive. His decisions to not be competitive could be considered sandbagging no? If your so poor that you penny pinch your roster as much as you do, you shouldn’t own what should become a billion dollar team simply because Vegas bailed your cheap behind out.
kingbum
You go ahead and take a 40 million dollar hit to your pocket because operations cost more than revenue generated. That’s all he has to say to these owners and show them the books to ok the move. Facts are in 2019 he decided he needed a new stadium, Oakland city council didn’t take him serious so he is tanking until the Vegas move is approved.
Simm
Hard to believe he will lose 40m when you take everything into account including revenue sharing. I think he is full of it.
seamaholic 2
A $40m loss is not believable, but breaking about even is (meaning they can’t do a much higher payroll without losing money). People vastly overestimate how much revenue sharing amounts to (including the payments from nation TV and online contracts, which all teams get). Running a stadium, particularly an old decrepit one in a high salary city, is incredibly expensive. I bet the A’s total revenue is around $100m or so, almost all from MLB. Their gate revenue is almost a rounding error, and their local TV contract likewise.
Michael Chaney
Firstly, you’re only assuming he’s not lying. Even with such low attendance, they have other avenues of revenue like their TV deal and revenue sharing that the only way they could be losing money is if they just don’t know how to run a business. Unless they open their books, I’d be skeptical.
But even if that’s true, would you continuously lose millions of dollars every year to prove a point, or would you cut your losses and sell the team? The A’s have been successful in Oakland before, so the fact that they’re such a mess right now says more to me about Fisher and ownership than it does about the city. Someone else could buy the team and keep it successful in Oakland without having to run away and look for the best bailout elsewhere.
BrianStrowman9
Why would you not take the bailout and move to a place where you project higher revenues? It would have to be because you love Oakland or feel ethically inclined to do so.
The financial decision isn’t very tough. I think most of us would like to see these public funding packages cease—but I certainly understand why you take it when offered.
Michael Chaney
I get what you mean, and I think if anyone offered $380 million then I’m sure we’d all take it and sell our morals for it. So in that regard, I agree with you.
But the only reason this is even an option is because the A’s have been mismanaged in Oakland for a while now. The financial bailout will help start them in Vegas, but if they’re still supposedly losing so much money then I doubt much will change. They put so little into the team that without opening their books, the only way they can be losing tens of millions of dollars is by gross mismanagement. The Vegas deal is letting them blow more money, but this time it’ll be taxpayer money and not their own. It just feels like Oakland is getting the short end of the stick because their owner can’t figure out how to run a profitable business.
seamaholic 2
This. I don’t know why people are angry at the dude. He’s trying to maximize his profits like everyone else in the world. If you want to be mad at him, be mad that he made no effort to keep that excellent 2019 team together and then made horrendous trades that gifted mostly the Braves with a championship window.
seamaholic 2
The Vegas taxpayer deal is vastly overblown. It’s only a quarter of building a new stadium. None of it subsidizes payroll for the Vegas A’s. They’ll have to sell tickets (which they will … they’ll sell out for years).
User 589131137
Thank you for your common sense and decency.
rct
“You go ahead and take a 40 million dollar hit to your pocket”
lmao please tell ne you’re not gullible enough to believe that. Dude raked in more than $150 million in revenue sharing (possibly closer to $200 million) and has a payroll south of $50 million. If you think Fisher took a $40 million loss, I have a bridge to sell you.
The answer is right in front of your face. Why would he take a $40 million loss and not be considering selling the team? Put on your thinking cap here. I’ll give you a hint: that $40 million loss he’s touting is a complete and total lie.
seamaholic 2
Revenue sharing isn’t anywhere near $150m, let alone $200m. It’s closer to $100m. And teams have costs other than player payroll, especially teams playing in decrepit stadiums in high-pay cities. I agree it’s unlikely the A’s are losing money this year, but they aren’t making a ton either. I’d guess their maximum payroll while staying in the black is about $80m or so. Which is uncompetitive unless you’re the Rays.
Philly A's
The A’s spent close to $100 million on the Howard Terminal site over the past 3 years, now add Vegas stadium development into the final overall numbers as well and it makes sense.
However I agree, if he lost $175m before this and $40m this year, he needs to sell the team or get a better accountant.
Kruk's Beer League
Have him open his books and we can talk. You can say you lose as much money as you want. The PROOF is in the actual numbers.
its_happening
They could have a $200-mil payroll and they’d still not have the support in Oakland.
DanUgglasRing
I love it when fans kiss the rings of billionaire owners it’s adorable in the most pathetic way I can think of.
User 589131137
Says the loser commenting on Oakland whose not from Oakland..
its_happening
Not sure which superior winner you were trying to reference but here we go…
Oakland has been in the Top 10 in AL attendance (not MLB), six times since they won the division in 2000. Been bottom 2 nine times in that span. Bottom 3 thirteen times since 2000.
For a team in dire need to drum up fan support, they are not answering the call. If it isn’t uninspiring then what’s the problem?
Drew Waters Bat
Are you really trying to talk about Decency and Common Sense. Just repeating words you hear adults around you talking about. You know nothing of either of those.
Pads Fans
Fisher has been unable to arrange financing to build the stadium in Las Vegas. The legislation that was passed to provide him with $380 million in state and local money is dependent on him getting $1.2 billion from a BBB+ grade investment firm/bank. He has not been able to do so after 3 months.
Its the same reason he backed out of the Howard Terminal deal. He is not a creditworthy risk.
If he says he has put in the application to MLB to move, he is lying. He can’t do it until he has financing for the stadium arranged. Once that financing is arranged Nevada would immediately release the funds and that is public record. They have not done so.
Fisher is a symptom of what is wrong with baseball.
Pads Fans
Let me add to that.
Fisher says that his family will invest $1 billion in the stadium The problem is their net worth is $412 million outside of the A’s and Earthquakes. All of that is tied up in GAP stock and a few dozen office buildings that are worth less today than the day he bought them.
He tries in the “interview” to say it will be an equity investment, but MLB has rules about how much an owner can go in debt. Its why the Padres sale to the ownership group led by Jeff Moorad fell through. To borrow $1+ billion to cover the cost of building the stadium Fisher would have to put up more than 70% of the value of the A’s as collateral for the loan. That is not allowed. Not even close.
Iacredolo
Dude you rock, thoroughly enjoyed reading this.
kingbum
Thanks for the knowledge… It’s sounding like because California has become a hell hole he can’t afford the team anymore. I’m assuming that’s where he has commercial real estate. I wonder what MLB does if an owner is dead broke or not liquid enough to meet payroll.
DanUgglasRing
We won’t miss you if you don’t visit.
Pads Fans
Force them to sell. California is just fine overall. More people are working from home, so commercial office space has gone down in value. He also invested in hotels pre-Covid and the hospitality industry took it in the shorts. He lost tens of millions. The industry is just now starting to recover.
DanUgglasRing
Gotta love when alleged baseball fans go stump for an obvious money grab from an owner who’s shown to be less than brilliant at doing business because a city they’ve never been to is “dangerous”. People walk through much of the city safely at night to this day. I know that’s probably inconceivable to somebody who watches the scary news all day but indeed it isn’t some war zone inhabited only by mad max types it’s just a normal city like everywhere else.
goob
And GAP is a fading company that is well on it’s way to irrelevance. It’s stock price was $40 ten years ago. – today it’s under $10! It’s basically uninvestable.
YankeesBleacherCreature
While I haven’t stepped foot inside a Gap for years, Gap Inc. also owns the Banana Republic, Old Navy, and Athleta brands. Gap itself is a confusing brand and partnering/collaborating with Kanye West (prior to his public meltdowns) was the worst idea ever and further created this confusion.
brewsingblue82
Very thorough. But, I’d have to say he likely isn’t lying about submitting the application.
If he lied about putting in the application, the commissioner and other people in MLB with knowledge would call him out for it, if not publicly, definitely privately. And then ahead of the voting, he’d look very badly in front of the rest of the league. And even though it’s widely expected to be voted through now, it’d be a big risk to lie about something like that and make people look down on you. Because there’s likely a couple owners that would still vote no, there’s likely some on the fence that would vote no if they felt his integrity were in question.
Yeah, the owners still want the same thing in the end: Money. But it’s not like they’re a tight enough group to back each other on anything. There’s owners who hate that revenue sharing is a thing, there’s owners who hate that teams like the A’s spend so little, yet earn revenue sharing. His lying about it, when there’s many people who could call him out on it publicly and cause any trouble on the deal, just wouldn’t make sense to do.
Pads Fans
Have you heard a single owner speak out in the past couple decades? Enough said.
acoss13
Just wanted to thank you for the information very enlightening.
User 589131137
I love people who post the truth and not their own biased bigotry. Thank you!!
rct
I love your posts on Fisher and the A’s.
sherlock_
SELL THE TEAM
LFGSD619
SELL THE TEAM!
JayRyder
Really Sucks for Oakland. As a SF resident, we know that that side of the Bay is incredibly dangerous, But also the reputation is horrific as well. I mean how do all those people travel in and out of Oakland, Commuting Downtown for work. All the Freeways. And Exist. I don’t think it’s as Bad as listed. I do believe it’s Bad. But SF is a Freaking Disaster area.
The gangs and violent neighborhoods I’m sure aren’t helping Oakland Cause. Freeway shooting reports. The whole bay area is in Chaos right now. Car break ins. Business break ins. Sad.
That’s being Said. The Warriors came over to this side of the Bay for Prestige and more Money. Period. SF is World Renown. Oakland is Not. Even parking by Jack London Square and your car is instantly broken in to.
The Raiders Bailed for Vegas Prestige. The A’s want that pie as well. That’s Greedy owners for ya. But these cities are unattainable. Oakland will never be what it was post War America. The area is warfare all over. The money is not there. And zero Prestige to offer. Vegas on the other hand is a growing Mega City Community. I would move there. Of course until they run out of Water !.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Sources? Sounds like standard NYPost-style scare tactic headlines that have a certain agenda.
seamaholic 2
San Fran is fine. A thriving, dynamic (albeit incredibly expensive) city. Oakland unfortunately is not, and it’s infecting Berkeley and the other cities around Oakland as well. They never were as wealthy as their big brother to the west, but homelessness has really crushed them in the years since the pandemic, and crime has gone way up. As a result there’s little investment and things deteriorate more. It’s got nothing to do with liberal policies in California. It’s got everything to do with nice weather and horrible housing policy.
User 589131137
Posturing for bigotry’s sake. The good ol’ San Francisco way.
JayRyder
Is that what it sounds like. Well, you are ignorant I guess.
Yeti
Incidentally, I’ve always heard that there’s a lot of drug use in San Francisco.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yeah going back to the Summer of Love and Haight-Ashbury. It’s a hippie mecca, but also has homeless issues because hey, if you’re gonna be homeless; might as well live in California where you don’t have to worry about freezing to death at night, right?
Bart Harley Jarvis
@Yeti,
Yes, we have the best meth poop.
gbs42
Jay, your capitalization scheme is the definition of random.
Unclemike1525
Are you running for office or just plain running? You know you could do something about it besides whine. Not sure exactly what your post has to do with baseball on any level. You’re probably the type who would see a murder happen right in front of you and walk away and not testify. Probably even invite them over for dinner.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yeah I normally stick to baseball, I should just follow my own advice.
WrongM
American cities by and large keep pouring more and more money into police budgets and it has no effect on crime rates.
Whoever you think is “declaring the police are evil,” it’s not having a meaningful effect on investment or policy.
seamaholic 2
If cities are struggling to fill police positions (which they are) it’s because conservatives refuse to increase taxes to pay them enough. Cities are expensive, for cops as much as anyone else, and that’s because lots of people want to live there. Rural towns are cheap and small for a reason.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
You do realize police are leaving in droves because in some states (Illinois), police officers can be personally sued for something they did on duty.
I know a few policemen who took early retirement because it made no sense to risk their personal property with the cards stacked against them.
baseballfan90
Okay so then how do we force Fisher out?
Bart Harley Jarvis
Someone should make Fisher an offer he can’t refuse. Does anyone have a spare horse head to lend?
Android Dawesome
Is this a reboot of the movie Major League?
fredziffel78
That what I was thinking!
Bigthin13
I feel so bad for A’s fans and the city of Oakland and I’m an Angels fan! Went to a game there last year between the A’s and Seattle and it was almost depressing. A’s fans deserve better and this guy has to go. Baseball belongs in Oakland.
Waldo29
The Vegas stadium has a proposed capacity of 33k. If they average 20,500/game like the article said about 2019, I guarantee you it’ll be marketed as “we’re selling out almost 2/3 the stadium each night”. Compared to the 32.5% capacity that is for a fully open Coliseum in Oakland.
It’s all just marketing and greed. Fisher is just a cheap billionaire and purely sees the team as a money making vehicle.
(I’m a lifeline Oakland resident and A’s fan. I have so much more to say but am just sad at this point)
Pads Fans
30k exactly.
lesterdnightfly
He’s complaining about “lack of market size” in Oakland.
But Vegas is much smaller in population than the East Bay.
And Manfred and the billionaires club let this larceny pass as normal business.
Capitalism run rampant combined with unchecked greed is tainting the sport … Whoops, all sports.
Kc smoke
$ is $ they’ll be happy to sell tickets even if it’s a ballpark full of vacationing opposing teams fans
Pads Fans
They won’t get vacationing opposing team fans at the games. No one goes to Las Vegas to go to sporting events. The Raiders and Golden Knights have already shown that. If the Raiders, a team with a strong southern California following and who only play 8-9 home games per season, can’t draw out of state fans, the A’s certainly can’t do it 81 games a year.
Locals are the only ones attending NFL and NHL games in Las Vegas and make up more than 95% of fans that attend games throughout MLB. Locals in Las Vegas don’t go to the strip if they can avoid it. Especially during the summer months. That is part of the reason that the Raiders are down at the bottom of the list in attendance and percentage of capacity in the NFL.
Las Vegas is the 41st largest TV market in the US and would be by far the smallest of any major league city. TV and streaming still pay most of the bills in MLB and they aren’t paying as much for the 41st most TV households compared to the Bay Area at #6. . Before you say but, but, but San Francisco. the east Bay area has a larger population than that on the peninsula.
None of the local TV stations in Las Vegas have said they will even bid on the A’s broadcasts and MLB may have to renegotiate contracts with all their national broadcasters if a move is completed to Las Vegas because of the huge drop in media market size.
The lease on the new stadium, cost of paying off the loan, and community investment requirements of the legislation that got him the $380 million will be nearly 10 times what he is currently paying in Oakland.
So let me recap.
Fisher claims he will lose $40 million this season.
In Las Vegas he will at the very least have a TV contract that is the lowest in baseball and 1/4 the $40-60 million he is getting in Oakland.
For at least 3 seasons the A’s will be a lame duck in OAkland or playing in a minor league stadium. Attendance will be lucky to be 10k for any game.
In Las Vegas the maximum fans that can go to a game is 30k. That is capacity in the proposed stadium. Prior to Fisher becoming the managing partner in 2016, the A’s regularly drew 50% more than will be possible in Las Vegas and those fans were coming to the worst stadium in all of major sports.
Fisher is counting on 648k fans to come from out of state ever season to see the A’s play. That is 8k per game. 26.7% of total attendance. 9 times as much as any other team in MLB. Ask the Raiders how expecting out of state fans to attend games has worked out.
In Nevada, casino’s are not allowed by law to have sponsorships for or comp tickets to games for sports they take action on. That means no casino money helping fill seats. Its why the Raiders stadium is not Bally’s Stadium or MGM stadium. Naming rights were purchased by a travel company. The biggest industry in Nevada cannot help the A’s fill their puny little stadium.
Fisher and Kaval have shown no interest in putting a winning team on the field. They have consistently lied to the media and the fans. They have consistently sabotaged negotiations to build new stadiums in 4 areas of the Bay Area.
If by some miracle Fisher is able to pull off getting financing to build the stadium he will be forced to sell the team or will go bankrupt very shortly because he will not have even as much revenue as he has now in Oakland. .
Kc smoke
Are the royals going to leave Kansas City or threaten to if they don’t build them an unneeded stadium downtown that most fans don’t want? I’m sure that the chiefs success and sharing parking is a major headache for those 2 stadiums but Kaufman isn’t a run down or bad stadium. Fans aren’t supporting them because they have probably only 2 players that would make a post season roster on a real contender in Witt Jr and salvy. They’re still at least 5 years away from any postseason hopes and a downtown stadium is all that’s brought up about them too.
seamaholic 2
East Bay and Vegas metro areas are identical in size (a little short of 3m people). But a big chunk of East Bay baseball fans are Giants folks, and Vegas gets 40m tourists and convention attendees a year. It’s a freaking goldmine, which is why so many teams want to be there.
MuleorAstroMule
I remember when MLB would never consider a team in Vegas because of the association with gambling. But then Draft Kings started emptying the pockets of every rube and rubette. MLB saw the dollar signs and stopped caring.
Pads Fans
Braaaaack. Wrong answer. Care to try again.
San Francisco Bay Area Population is 7.753 million with less than 1 million living on the peninsula. Clark County which makes up all of southern Nevada has a population of 2.292 million. Alameda and Contra Costa Counties have a population of 2.8 million. Even that small portion of the East Bay is 20% larger than Clark County.
The Raiders are at the bottom in the NFL in attendance. Visitors are not attending their games in any great numbers. NFL publishes those numbers of out of state visitors so you can go look yourself. They only have to draw those fans to 8-9 home games per season.
The largest industry in Nevada, casinos, is prohibited by law from giving out tickets or providing sponsorship money to any team in any sport they take action on. Its why the Raiders stadium naming rights are from a travel company and not a casino. Its why there is no advertising in-stadium for casinos and no luxury boxes owned by casinos. So casino’s won’t be helping fill seats.
Casinos make their money by you coming and staying as long as possible in their casino and losing money. They do NOT want you walking out that door. Their job is to keep you away from the stadium. They will do all they can to draw visitors into their casino and away from MLB, just like they have NFL.
Locals in Las Vegas avoid the strip like the plague. Unless you have friends or family from out of town, you work on the strip, or you are a degenerate gambler, you just don’t go there. Ask anyone who has ever lived in Las Vegas and they will tell you the same thing.
Las Vegas is the 41st largest media market in the US. The Bay area is the 6th largest. The TV deal the A’s get in Las Vegas will be 1/4 the size of what they were getting in the Bay Area. That is if anyone agrees to broadcast them at all.
Las Vegas is the opposite of a gold mine for a MLB team. Cash poor Fisher will collect the $180 million in transferable tax credits and sell them, collect the revenue sharing from MLB through 2028 or 2029 when the stadium opens, then either sell the team or go bankrupt. He will walk away with hundreds of millions and the team will be stuck in the financial hell hole that is Ls Vegas.
seamaholic 2
Every owner sees their team as a money making vehicle. Why the heck else would you buy a team when you could spend your money on literally anything you like? Sports fans are amazingly blind to this fact.
Omarj
I totally agree that MLB should have stepped in and forced a sale if an owner has difficulty operating because of losses etc. Sports franchises only go up, and it’s ridiculous this guy can hide. Say the avaluation is $1.5B. Then vet and let the next billionaire willing to “lose” money and keep it Oakland for x amount. Grow the sport, and it’ll be better for it and owners will be richer. Just sad. I hate Manfred and am furious for the lack of outspoken owners who want to grow the sport. Dumb
Pads Fans
$1.4 billion valuation.
kingbum
Sports franchises might have just gone up in the past but everything has a ceiling don’t be a fool. Seems as if the real estate values for other properties Fisher tanked because Oakland and San Francisco are disasters. This very well could be the Giants as well in a couple years if they don’t turn the city around. Why doesn’t Kansas City ever get any heat for being broke? Kansas City and Oakland would be my first two to get rid of.
johnrealtime
KC won a WS in the last decade, has a payroll approaching 100 million this year (even while not being competitive). Not sure why you name them, they are 5 teams that are better examples than them
Kc smoke
Kc got their team stolen when the A’s went to Oakland and now you think they should lose their team just cause their original team is moving again? Where should they go? Kc doesn’t want a downtown stadium and the team is awful. They’ll support them when they try and win.
kingbum
Contraction….Teams low on the revenue generating pool and not getting consistent results need to be done away with and those players on those teams should have to enter a draft. I’m looking at Pittsburgh, Oakland, Kansas City, and Miami. Tampa has proven they can build a winner that keeps winning they no longer belong on that list. That’s 2 teams each league that nobody needs, almost every year they get beaten on by everybody else and they need revenue from the other teams to operate. I would put a team in Mexico City and in San Juan because Hispanics love the game. Miami doesn’t have any fans they don’t deserve that franchise, San Juan would do better. So, cut 2 teams out and relocate 2 other teams.
kingbum
If the Mexico City idea isn’t for ya since the ball there will fly even better than it does at Coors field I’d suggest San Antonio or Austin
Kc smoke
You don’t understand baseball then wanting teams moved out of its home country to a cartel run country. Mexico is a dangerous vacation and would make Oakland look like paradise.
kingbum
You don’t understand Mexico, the Cartels don’t run Mexico City, they run the northern border where the CIA gives them weapons. The area of central Mexico is ran by the Mexican government, not the cartels.
The NFL has considered putting a team there in the past and has actually played games there. The US and Mexican soccer leagues already schedule matches against each other in what is known as the league cup. Golfers go to Mexico for tournaments and are just fine. Mexico City is not Juarez. Yes, if you are looking for big media markets it’s time to move out the US. KC, Oakland, Pittsburgh, and Miami are habitual losers reliant on revenue sharing to pay their bills. Tampa at least is in contention on a regular basis and has been for 15+ years. Vancouver is too close to Seattle, they go to Seattle games. There might just be 4 markets left in the US that could support a MLB people don’t talk about. You have San Antonio and Austin in Texas, either city would be a fine place for a team. Nashville is another spot where I think a team would do just fine. This is probably the best location for a team that currently doesn’t have one. Then you got New Orleans…..Two other cities could be Indy or Salt Lake City. You have 4 teams though that have to move somewhere. KC, I mean their world series title was an aberration. After that they pretty much sucked donkey balls. Miami has a couple titles, but mostly they suck donkey balls.
Kc smoke
They don’t have to move somewhere and there are bad teams in every sport. Should Charlotte lose their nba team or Cleveland their nfl team? Both of those franchises are perennial losers and haven’t won a title in decades and those teams aren’t being mentioned as needing to move immediately because of performance. Would you move the teams as fast and wreckless as the A’s are trying to move with no real plan or stadium built at least?
Kc smoke
I’m really just kinda hurt someone is bringing up kc losing a team for the 2nd time. They aren’t supported atm here cause they can’t draft very well and won’t ever be a 500mil 1 season salary team. All of the talk about needing to move downtown out of Kauffman is sad because they just redid it recently and it’s a nice stadium. If they would attempt to be competent and actually hire some good scouts they wouldn’t be a league $ leech, but sadly it’s stadium as the main talk with them too. Would Mexico support the team if they got 100 loss seasons forever?
johnrealtime
I’d advocate for owners having to sell their teams for being in the state OAK and PIT have been in, before I would say that cities should lose those teams. The fans aren’t the reason why those teams are operated poorly and without funding.
Do you actually think a team in Mexico City would be more profitable than KC? Do you think they would be filling up a 30k seat stadium with tickets priced the way they are in the USA? To fill a stadium like that, they would be charging a fraction of what American stadiums charge and that will negate the profits of having more fans in the seats
Pads Fans
Might want to look up crime rates in Mexico City. They are not even close to cites in the US like St Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, and others.
Rather walk around Mexico City at night than Las Vegas.
angelsfan4life
There are Angels fans, who would have an owner like this. Now Arte isn’t perfect. But I’d still take him, over an owner like this.
Florida=WorldsBiggestToilet
Eat poop John Fisher. I hope you die in a fire
Iacredolo
A POOP FIRE!
Buzz Killington
These numbers are a joke. Lost $175 million during COVID. $175 million of what? Valuation or operating expenses? One time expenses maybe contributing to a $40 million loss this year? I think he’s being overdramatic and deceptive. Can’t really tell though. He’s definitely tarnished the franchises image. Used to be highly respected and admired.
angelsfan4life
Nah he is saying, he only made 125 million in profit, instead of 300 million that season.
Pads Fans
Angelsfan, you got that 100% correct.
Rsox
He has not considered selling the team—yet. Once he’s fleeced Vegas for a new ballpark he’ll pull a Jeffrey Loria and take the money and run
billw-2
so, what is the team worth? Surely not the 1.5 billion someone mentioned above. Not when it’s in Oakland. But, would there be a buyer at say, 700,000,000?
might they (MLB) reconsider them moving to San Jose now?
M.C.Homer
The A’s were nice enough to give the Giants the exclusive rights to San Jose when the Giants needed a new home. The Giants refuse to give it back.
Now we have all this…
MuleorAstroMule
The Marlins went for $1.2B six years ago. Seems like a reasonable number for the As considering inflation.
Pads Fans
It’s current valuation is $1.4 billion. During the negotiations with Oakland, part of the process was getting a valuation of the team since Fisher claimed he would be developing Howard Terminal in part with equity financing.
Asfan0780
How about manfred waiving the $300 million relocation fee for cheapy fisher. That should be investigated and ridiculed more
User 589131137
They’re bed buddies.
Rbiggs2525
Baseball needs to start putting in a salary floor. There is no reason this storied franchise should be leaving. Rob Manfred should be sticking his head in here and helping guide Oakland and Baltimore. Chapman, Murphy and Olsen should all still be in Oakland.
seamaholic 2
The owners wanted a floor in the last negotiations. Most owners hate the revenue sharing system (because they’re paying into it, not benefitting). The players rejected it.
Old York
Still upset that the A’s were moved out of Philadelphia. The Phillies are not the same team that the A’s were. 5 Championships in Philadelphia and 3 in Jokeland while the Phillies only have 2 championships? Dump the Phillies and bring back the A’s.
Philly A's
Same here. I dont care where they play, because I only see them play in other cities or on the mlb app. I’ll only stop watching if they change the name. In fact when I buy apparel I try and find it without Oakland on it.
The a’s put a 97 win team together (2 years in a row) and fans never showed. They are top 10 in wins since Fisher bought the team but bottom 5 in attendance. But yeah, let’s blame Fisher for moving. He’s a billionaire (or is it $450m?) and he should just dump his money into a team that only 9k of fans will enjoy each home game.
Go Vegas!
User 589131137
More lies and bigotry…
Philly A's
Since 2005 A’s are 8th in wins, 11 playoff appearances, 4 AL West titles and the best attendance for them was in 2013 and 2019 which was still 23rd in mlb. Facts are easy if you know how to Google.
Pads Fans
How about since 2016 when Fisher became the managing partner?
Lew Wolff was the one running the team the first 11 years.
Philly A's
Got me there, but still 3 playoffs appearances, two 97 win seasons and two 100 loss seasons including this year.
Fisher isn’t a good owner, my point was even with a good team fans didn’t show up.
LordD99
Lies.
Mikenmn
Of course he’s says he’s not selling, but for the right price he would, just like many of the owners. But he has no reason to sell when he’s subsidized by MLB, rewarded for stinking up the joint with high draft picks, and has enormous amounts of taxpayer money to be thrown at him.
kodiak920
Honest question here: have the Athletics ever drawn in Oakland? They have had some amazing teams over the years from Reggie to Billyball to the Bash Brothers to Hudson/Mulder/Zito and beyond.
LordD99
They’ve never been a top attendance team, but they’ve had four and five year stretches when they draw north of two million, and in the 90s when they went to three World Series, they drew close to three million. There higher attendance stretches correspond to winning teams. That didn’t hold true recently, likely because ownership wouldn’t invest and they created a sense of malaise.
Recent ownership and the ballpark have hurt. Look no further than the Giants. Their attendance exploded with a committed ownership and a great new ballpark. The same would happen with the A’s, but Fisher really has destroyed any enthusiasm. This is MLB’s fault for allowing owners like Fisher in the game. It’s hurt the game tremendously.
seamaholic 2
The relationship between attendance and winning teams has been broken across the sport for quite a while now. But yeah, once upon a time it was much stronger. Part of the reason is local TV revenue is now a much bigger part of teams’ budgets, and those are pretty much locked to market size only. So big market teams can outclass small market ones in payroll, and some small market owners are saying “eff this, I can’t compete, I’m just gonna try and moneyball my way to respectability and make a nice profit.” But most aren’t the Rays and can’t do it.
enricopallazzo
Around 1990 they were top 2/3 in attendance. When they had a good team and ownership that was willing to spend.
Pads Fans
Yes. As recently as 2019 they had games with more than 50k attendance in that garbage dump called the Coliseum. This season they have had games that outdrew what would be possible in the proposed stadium in Las Vegas with the highest 2023 attendance being 37.5k.
Post Covid team President Kaval said they were no longer going to try to put a winning team on the field, that fans should not come to games, and then doubled ticket prices in 2022. Attendance has plummeted since then.
Oakland will fill a nice ballpark with a team worth backing.
whyhayzee
A’s Owner: “I Have Not Considered Making The Team Any Better”
User 899214610
Bold strategy Cotton.
M.C.Homer
The Giants share blame here.
The A’s would successfully be in San Jose if not for the Giants refusing to give that territory back to the A’s
Chicks dig bunting
Well Oakland is in California so it is a s*** state
Super2
The biggest lie around this is that the A’s are a small market team. They WILL be, AFTER they move to Las Vegas.
alstott40
blah .. blah .. blah .. fisher is a hypocrite.. does anyone really think a new stadium will change the A’s business model of generating a profit being cheap as possible ?
sadosfan
And I thought the orioles ownership was bad.
steven st croix
John Fisher is a terrible person
James Midway
Why would he sell? The A’s were top 5 in revenue last year. He doesn’t have to spend and he can get that sweet revenue sharing cash. It’s like printing money. Why would he want to get rid of that?
Pads Fans
The A’s were bottom 7 in revenue last season. Its why they get revenue sharing. Team president Dave Kaval said the team relies on revenue sharing and will continue to rely on it in Las Vegas, so they are trying to rig it so they continue to be in the bottom 7 in revenue.
If they spend nothing on players, they will continue to make a profit regardless of how much money they bring in because the other MLB owners will continue to subsidize the team.
Clofreesz
You are destroying the rich history of this team and the city. It appears that you have not learned the cultural impact of the Raiders leaving. The city of Oakland has done everything to make you stay, but you will not. And you have no heart for Oakland fans, shame on you.
You will be condemned to the baseball abyss, along with the Black Sox and Pete Rose.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Shame we’re gonna have to wait at least 3 years just for them to break ground in Las Vegas. I’m pretty sure they’re gonna add seats to Las Vegas Ballpark but will that even make a difference? Will the A’s fan even show up ?
Whenever the A’s officially move to Vegas I’ll definitely be trying to get Cubs and A’s tickets. Because it’s the cubs the prices might be tripled. To what otherwise would be like maybe $15 for a good seat.
dano62
Fisher couldn’t manage a lemonade stand but he sure knows how to sour a fanbase. How can you walk away from a greater population base, one where they’ve been profitable at for years prior to his inheritance, and shuffle off for a sugar momma like Vegas? He won’t be happy with just that $360m either; the cost to build the stadium will guarantee that he pleads poverty on-field and just rips off locals & tourists a like. Yes, the A’s are MLB’s original vagabond franchise but the history in Oakland and roots there are deep. Despite it being futile, I hope fans everywhere greet the team with “Sell the team!” chants — signed a disillusioned Expos fan
User 589131137
Lying ass bundle of sticks Fisher: we all know you don’t have the money to fund that stadium. MLB is greenlighting your bullsh*t because the Bay didn’t bend over backward for them… F*** you and Slob Manfred!!!
RDOZ
No one takes a $40m loss. He’s going to make $40m less than wanted. Pit a crap product in a crap stadium you get crap money on return. Vegas will make him millions more and I’d bet money it doesn’t improve the product on the field
Bobby smac9
Well……..reconsider.
websoulsurfer
How do you know Fisher is lying? His lips are moving.
Lee Harvey Oddball
One more dirtbag to add to the collection.
Ironkevin49
Go bye Oakland see you in Las Vegas in 2025 what the team goner look like it’s anybody guess
M.C.Homer
Fight for an expansion team A’s fans.
You’d be way better off!
Rickover50
They’re about to sellout in Vegas. Why would he sell the team but you shouldn’t be allowed to benefit as a failed owner by just moving..
Pads Fans
They are not going to sellout in Las Vegas. No one that lives there wants to come to the strip if they can avoid it and they can’t come close to sellouts without local fans.
Please don’t even try to say “but fans from out of town”. They don’t go to Las Vegas to attend baseball games. Casino’s make money by keeping people IN their casino and they can neither give away tickets nor spend any sponsorship money on sports they take bets on. The A’s will get NO support from the biggest industry in the state of Nevada.
jorge78
That cornnut could have turned the coliseum site into the mixed use crown jewel of the west, with a beautiful baseball park in the middle. Accessible to mass transit and highways, but greed, stupidity and hubris had their way with him. I pity the fools in Lost Wages who do business with that cretin…..
Pads Fans
Fisher still owns the 50% of the rights to the Coliseum site.
rags26
Should consider a new front office! How’s that Moneyball thing going?