July 31: Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports (on Twitter) that rival clubs inquiring on Verdugo’s availability have gotten the impression the Sox plan to retain him past the deadline.
July 30: As the Red Sox remain in the wild card race and seem likely to add pieces before Tuesday’s trade deadline, the club has already dealt Enrique Hernandez and might also move other regulars in an effort to upgrade the roster as a whole. MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo and Sean McAdam report that the Sox are open to at least listening to offers for outfielder Alex Verdugo, and one unknown AL team in discussions with the Red Sox said the Sox brought up Verdugo’s name as part of ongoing trade talks.
Whether the Red Sox are in listening mode or might be more actively shopping Verdugo, it seems that there is a possibility the right fielder might be in another uniform by Wednesday. Such an outcome might have seemed unlikely as recently as June 27, when Verdugo was hitting .307/.379/.477 over his first 322 plate appearances and seemed on the way to the best season of his seven-year MLB career. However, the last month of play has been rough for Verdugo, as he followed up that dream start by hitting .143/.212/.234 over his next 85 PA.
Overall, the 27-year-old has a .272/.345/.424 slash line in 412 PA, good for a 108 wRC+ that is still above league average. And, Verdugo’s glovework hasn’t slumped, as his +15.8 UZR/150 and +11 Defensive Runs Saved rank him among the best defensive right fielders in the game in 2023. In a deadline season where available pitchers far outnumber available hitters, the Red Sox would be sure to find plenty of interest in a productive bat who is controlled through 2024 via his final year of arbitration eligibility.
Even if Verdugo is retained beyond the deadline, it isn’t clear if he is in Boston’s long-term plans. The outfielder told McAdam earlier today that “there’s been zero talks about an extension….they haven’t come to me with anything. So there’s not one way to lead me to believe that they’re interested in that, you know what I mean? There’s no real talks of an extension, so since there’s no real talk of getting anything done, there’s nothing to get done.”
Adam Duvall has also been mentioned as a possible Red Sox trade chip at the deadline, since the veteran outfielder is a free agent after the season. However, in the event of a Verdugo trade, Duvall would step in as the new right fielder, joining Masataka Yoshida and Jarren Duran as the regular starters. If chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom felt particularly bold, he could aim to both move Verdugo and Duvall in separate transactions, and look to obtain another outfielder with more long-term control. Top prospect Ceddanne Rafaela might also factor into Boston’s immediate plans, as he has been playing well in his first taste of Triple-A ball.
From Verdugo’s perspective, he said he wants to remain with the Red Sox but is understanding about the realities of the trade market. Noting that he came to the Red Sox in the first place as part of the blockbuster Mookie Betts trade, Verdugo told McAdam, “I thought I wouldn’t get traded and I ended up getting traded. This isn’t my first time and I feel like once you get traded, you don’t care….You don’t take no hard feelings. You just go out there to play, play hard. Wherever you are in the big leagues, it’s a blessing.”
Verdugo and a smaller piece for Freddy Peralta. Who says no?
I can see the Brewers saying no because of how friendly the Peralta contract is.
I say no.
Peralta does have a year left then options, but, a lot of his numbers have regressed towards what he was earlier in his career, and, the results have followed..
Verdugo plus next year’s relatively affordable arb rate, toss in another piece, I think you can do better.
Peralta is much more valuable. Everyone but Red Sox fans say no. Boston wouldn’t even start off with that as a opening offer.
Verdugo’s attitude has gotten him in the dog house the last few years. He is a solid hitter and defender. He just has an attitude of someone who is a star.
I just don’t think the Red Sox will get anything helpful for a return unless he is packaged.
I don’t pay attention to Boston media or what goes in the Red Sox clubhouse, but what behavioral signs or statements have indicated he acts entitled?
Him saying he should have been on the all-star team.
He has gotten benched a couple of times a year not running out a grounder or hustling out a ball to the OF. As he has gotten older he has been keeping that tradition alive. He also thinks he is in Devers class with how he refers to himself as the other star on the team.
“He also thinks he is in Devers class with how he refers to himself as the other star on the team.”
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This year, I’d say Verdugo is a class above Devers. Verdugo carried this ball club in April and May through very tough competition. Everyone is still waiting for Devers to turn it on.
Also, whats so bad about that, many professional players have too much confidence/cockiness. Its what gives them the ability to play in the biggest spotlight.
Its what gives them the ability to play in the biggest spotlight.
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I love that. There are a lot of players that play just fine, but would prefer to be in the shadows of guys like Papi & Manny. I’ve even seen other teams affected by their opponents swagger.
I still remember the Raiders v the Skins in the SB. The press was reporting that the Raider players were spending a lot of time on Bourbon St, while the WA players were home early. The swagger won out by a lot.
But there is a fine line. Verdugo has a real lot of talent, but his weight issues bother me, and this on again/off again attitude makes me think he will be off-again if we extend him. He’s an excellent player when we see the thinner, .775+ OPS, GG equivalent player, but we’ve only seen that twice in four years.
“There are a lot of players that play just fine, but would prefer to be in the shadows of guys like Papi & Manny.”
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Which is why is said “MANY professional players”. But, sure turn my comment into an absolute, so that it sounds dumb.
Recently benched for not running hard.
I didn’t use any absolutes. I said “a lot”.
And I said “many” players do like the limelight. What did you mean by “I love that”. Love what? Sounded like sarcasm from what Im reading. Or did you really “love” my sentence.
Perhaps “love” was hyperbolic, but I did like it. There is nothing I hate more than talkative players that haven’t accomplished anything. But the players who display a well-earned swagger have my respect. To me, as much as I wanted to hate Reggie Jackson, I just couldn’t.
Waiting for Devers to turn it on? Ya acting as if he isn’t 4th the American league in RBI and isn’t on pace for 40 HR. He is, the expectations are just ridiculous. He currently has 25 HR and is 3rd in the American league. What more do Boston fans want?
The Dodgers are getting the same production from JD Martinez for a fraction of the price…. What your defense for Dever’s shoddy defense?
As a Sox fan, we should be used to no long term contracts at 30 yrs old, now 29, since Xander left. They don’t talk contracts or extensions during season. Except Matt Barnes & where is he now? Chain Bloom is turning a Big market team into a small market team. John Henry is looking at his teenager at college not as his baby anymore. Verdugo gave all the right answers. You are talking about the team that took Betts to arbitration not once but 2x. And didn’t let Pedro retire in Boston. Verdugo understands it’s a business , it sounds to me he’s grateful for being in the position he is in. But to say Verdugo thinks he’s a superstar? Why his chains, last time I checked u can do what u want in with your $ in this country. U better have some confidence that’s always taken as ” attitude” from the stuffed, dusty, old Boston Globe readers who wouldn’t vote ” Fred McGriff” into the Hall. The game is changing for the better. But it’s not 2004,2007, not even 2019 anymore. Time to get used to the highest turnover rate in baseball. U saw what they did to Hanley when he was playing great & was about to get enough at bats for incentives. There is no loyalty in baseball anymore & hasn’t been for almost 20 yrs in Boston.
He’s had some bumps, but hasn’t made excuses for his actions. He’s made efforts to improve instead of doubling down like a fool. I like him. Teams explore all kinds options this time of year, with only some players declared off limits.
I love Verdugo, always have.
I think he is one of the most underrated players in the game.
He tries is his arse off, he is consistent across the board.
I was messed up when he got traded.
It was like nooooo, but we got Mookie.
Hell no.
Mil says no because of the contract, but I don’t think they hang up the phone either, I think they would ask for a prospect, but I don’t think it would need to e a top prospect.
It would be a nice fit for us.
Matt Arold would laugh his ass off and hang up the phone.
that guy with the face
Matt Arold would laugh his ass off and hang up the phone.
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Nonsense. Mil has the worst RF OPS in BB by a fair margin. They likely wouldn’t make that specific trade, but Verdugo is almost a perfect player for them.
It is a near certainty that they will listen.
This seems surprising.
For the right return it’s the smart play. Better now then next summer.
He’s not good enough to QO so he’s going to walk for nothing – someone will throw more money than he’s really worth at him, and, Boston has young OF options on the way.
Things would be a lot different if the infield wasn’t so bad. Today Devers cost the team another win with his error that led to an unearned run. Otherwise, no extra innings, no loss.
Better to trade Verdugo for prospect(s) or an SP, but I’d bet on him getting a QO. My guess is the minimum contract is $39M/3.
They traded Betts for prospects to save money and get younger talent and ended up with Verdugo in the first place. This is the whole problem with the Red Sox trying to pretend they are the Dodgers without the talent evaluation and development part.
*sigh* So many people don’t get it. Okay. The Sox wanted to negotiate with Betts. Betts refused, saying he wanted to become a free agent and test the market. The Sox figured (rightly so) they’d trade him and get something back. Betts proved to be a liar by signing an extension with the Dodgers a few months later. Then Betts also called Boston racist (the standard fallback when one doesn’t get one’s own way). Far as I’m concerned, Betts for Jeter Downs would have been fair just to get a malcontent off the team.
Doesn’t he still have one arbitration year left?
Michael – yes he does, which is why this is the PERFECT time to trade him. You get the value of the extra season, means better return.
this trade would be all about Bloom continuing to cut the payroll
what scares me about the red sox is they’re in the playoff hunt and devers has yet to really turn it on
And very little from Sale, Story, Whitlock & Houck. They have a decent deficit to overcome, but have pretty good talent.
Joe – You actually said “they”!!! Thumbs up from me.
You actually said “they”!!!
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TBH, I pay exactly -0- attention to using “we” or “they”. I don’t even know why I use different versions, other than convenience.
Vertigo isn’t a FA until 2025.
It was surprising, evidently even to them. They have already changed their mind. Sellers remorse?
Outfielder for outfielder?
Dam they don’t wanna pay the guy
I don’t blame them.
Doogie…NO! not Doogie. Anyone but Doogie. He seems to be likeable & charismatic.
If you can get some GOOD young controllable pitching by packaging Verdugo, another piece, and cash to the other team, you really need to do it
They are going to get some not good old pitching. Rich Hill?
GASox – Just so I’m clear, you are basically saying to give up on this season then … right? Not just because of the major disruption it would cause by removing a very popular player who is second in seniority for position players, but then *if* they still plan to compete they would need to trade for somebody who is capable of playing the hardest RF in baseball and is a decent hitter. Who do you have in mind you’d like to acquire?
Because two things are certain: Ref is NOT an everyday player, we saw proof of that yet again yesterday when Cora foolishly forced himself to play Ref the entire game and have him bat against RHP’s.
And the other certain thing, you cannot have Rafaela make his ML debut by throwing him into a postseason chase as an everyday outfielder. It wouldn’t benefit him, and it certainly wouldn’t benefit the team.
Fever – You are correct.
Sell Verdugo, Jansen, Paxton, Duvall, JT, among starters, and shop Dalbec, listen on some others after you make some judgment calls on the 40 man roster for this fall’s rule 5 and clear the logjam now before you have to trade from weakness.
Here’s why: this team cannot find consistency. There are SO many buyers out there, think of how 2024 would be set up with the return you could get for all those guys.
The REAL contenders were already more consistent than Boston. Many of them have been adding firepower at the deadline. By standing more or less pat, which is what this group have played themselves into deserving at the best, you fall further behind the competition.
If the goal is to make the 2020-2023 seasons worth suffering through it is the correct call to make, and does the most possible to build a strong core for a future team.
You are both Sox fans… reading a lot on here about Verdugo’s attitude, but from the outside, he’s always seemed like a solid hitter who can lengthen a lineup, especially ones that rely too much on HR. Am i wrong on that? Personally, i always wanted him on the mets, but i barely get to see him play.
GASox – I completely agree with you, I don’t view this Red Sox team as a true contender, as true contenders don’t lose games the way the Sox did yesterday (awful defense, awful baserunning, awful managing).
I think 28 of their final 38 games this season will be brutal, and all those teams have already improved the past few days.
For optics, Bloom won’t sell key players. Fair or not, a big market team that’s had lots of success since 2004 simply cannot forfeit again for the 4th time in 5 years.
I think Bloom will do his usual minor acquisitions, probably a couple relievers, to give the appearance he’s trying to win. And mark my words, we will hear “We already have a good team, I have faith in them” as an excuse for not acquiring any big name players.
I also think Bloom was listening to offers for Dugie only to gauge interest ahead of the offseason when he likely WILL be actively shopped.
Ma –
Verdugo is the guy you love to have as the worst guy in your outfield, and hate to need to point to as your best.
If I had to sum up an impression of him, it’s that he’s frustratingly average.
He’s about a 15% strikeout hitter. He gets decent average, it’s true. And he boosts the obp through walks. But he’s neither a speed threat on the bases, nor does he possess the power you expect for a corner outfielder. There isn’t that one ‘strong’ aspect to his game, just lots of ‘ok to good’ ones. He has a tendency towards mental lapses and liking to coast on his laurels.
All of it combines to give you a roughly average producing hitter.
I think he tried playing hard earlier in the season expecting that if he rose to the challenge he’d get some of that stupid money Bloom was throwing around to Yoshi and Devers in the offseason. Once he didn’t get approached about that juicy contract extension, he lost his drive, which, again, has been probably the one big knock on him in his career – staying hungry and motivated on his own.
That’s my impression from watching him play. He has the ability to be better than his results show, he just lacks the drive of a true champion.
Fever – a good GM knows when to tell a team and a fanbase to take their lumps, and force the medicine to go down.
This front office isn’t afraid of letting players go, it’s just that they dribble the changes out over time. Sometimes you’ve got to just rip that bandaid right off and give “the process” a major kick in the rump.
Depending what you focus on getting back for the players you dump, there’s no reason it can’t be young talent that’s mlb ready or nearly so. The trick, and where a true GM/PBO earns their keep is taking the piece you have, finding a team that needs it who is stacked in a place you’re not. That’s where you trade, and, you both get better. Them for the postseason run, you for next year.
Reload on the fly. When you’ve got SP, RP, 1B/3B, OF, and DH/corner IF depth pieces to move, theres no reason you can’t get back what you need. Paxton for a verdugo-esque corner OF with control, and add a prospect if you need to. Duvall for whatever. JT for maybe pitching, or, middle IF help. Jansen for some young RP or IF help as well. Dalbec for RP.
Looking at the teams who need those types of players, I think the returns are, or were, there to be had. The more teams that are buying elsewhere, the less deals are to be had
We’ll give you Winker
Not a bad idea. If the Brewers send $ and a 25-30 prospect out of their deep system. Verdugo and Winker are both classic “change of scenery” players.
Winker changed scenery this past offseason after a bad year and it proved ineffective. He’s just broken at this point. Verdugo is at least a league average hitter. It would take way more than a 25-30 prospect attached to Winker to make it worthwhile for Boston.
Maybe if they attached JBJ to Winker, it would be a done deal.
Verdugo is not league average. Only if you do not count the last 2 months. Both verdugo and winker are poor hitters.
Jeremy320- Verdugo has had an OPS+ of 113, 123, 107, 101, and now 104 this year over his last 4.5 seasons. He has also had a wRC+ of 112, 125, 107, 103, and now 107 this season over that same time frame. That’s pretty average. He gets hits, just doesn’t slug incredibly high.
With a comment like that, I doubt he understands how OPS+ works. He obviously doesnt know how to look up Defensive Stats either.
He has a career. .771 OPS
League average is around. .750.
So….
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He has also had a wRC+ of 112, 125, 107, 103, and now 107 this season over that same time frame. That’s pretty average.
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That’s not “average”. Average is 100. By definition, all five of those numbers are above average.
Semantics. 100 is the mean, of course, but if you go by the literal definition then only a few batters in the league are average. I have always used around 95-105 in both categories to define an average batter since there are obviously more than just a few average batters.
But also, note that I said “at least” league average.
“Semantics” Thats not semantics, thats rounding down to get the result you want.
How about going by WAR in RF per Fangraph. Same position and incorporates fielding as well:
Of the 32 players that have at least 250 PAs in MLB, Verdugo is in 9th place.
So are we rounding down from 9 all the way to 16, so we can call him “pretty average”.
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It is most definitely semantics when discussing athletic performance. Everyone knows there is a difference between labeling intervals/ratios as average compared to player evaluation.
All the players you mentioned are average players. You think they’re different quality. Sorry, they’re not. By the exact definition, there are only a few average ballplayers and if you ask 100 random fans about player quality level, you will almost assuredly get responses of more than just a few average players.
Also, if you’ve ever taken a statistics course, you would know that there is a margin of error that can allow numbers other than the mean to be defined as average, particularly if you look for the median instead.
Verdugo is 9th out of 32 rightfielders, per Fangraph. No Way that is average. No stats guy would round down that far. Use all the BS condescending terms you want. Youre WRONG.
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We aren’t talking about WAR, which accounts for overall value–including defense (something Verdugo is very good at)–we’re talking strictly about his offensive abilities. If you’re going to argue something at least use the correct statistics to cite it.
If you sort by OFF, he’s 13th as a RF aka right around average.
Who said “strictly about his offensive abilities”
The talk was about making a trade.
“It would take way more than a 25-30 prospect attached to Winker to make it worthwhile for Boston.”
Those are your words. When you make trades, you dont look at Defense?
Then I said “He obviously doesnt know how to look up Defensive Stats either.” Meaning Defense adds value to Verdugo.
I guess you want to shape it so it works for you. Whatever.
Verdugo is still above average hitter too.
1) You find an average.
2) Is Verdugo above or below or right at the average?
3) No statistician uses the word “around” average. You’re just being pedantic.
I wouldn’t take Winker for free.
Music to Andrew Friedman’s ears
Lol Bring ‘em all back
He’d allow Pederson and Sabol to get off of defense….which would be a blessing
Yeah Sabol sucks defensively, especially behind the plate. Bailey has hit a wall offensively too. Might be time to call Bart back up
It’s his frequent mental errors on the basepaths that are Sabol’s biggest problem. Got doubled off at second yesterday on a liner to kill a rally, again. No excuse for that sort of thing.
LOL “Joey Bart”
LOL “KingOmar”
Maybe the Giants can trade for Duvall back… Irony
Wow. C’mon Farhan, before they leave town! Lol
No thanks, Verdugo is overrated and has the SA case tied to his name forever
He’s not been convicted of anything, there’s zero proof of guilt.
He’s not a bad player to look at “selling high” on. Low power, not a speed guy at all, I’d say his ceiling is up in the air. Definitely has a nice pure swing and approach; but do you expect him to ever hit 20 hrs? And if that never happens, he’s gotta keep the batting average and obp up HIGH, and his value will rely heavily on those stats.
How much better than peak David DeJesus is Verdugo likely to get?
I say get what you can in the final two days of a trade market bereft of MLB-ready hitters and cast your lot with Duvall in RF.
Very much reminds me of a Nick Markakis-esq player. Decent contact hitter that’s usually at slightly above league average stats. However their attitudes are nothing alike!
Verdugo won’t ever be an all star, but he is a winning player that isn’t very expensive. He is Cole Calhoun 2.0.
Doogie would be a perfect fit on Minnesota, if they had the guts to go for the gusto.
Another AL team? So what are the Guardians offering – Quantrill and arias, or Allen & freeman?
Cleveland would not offer anything. Cleveland is looking for a right-handed power bat, not another left-handed hitter with limited pop that struggles with lefty pitching.
Just going out on a limb. But the American league team. Might be the Detroit tigers. The red Sox might want. E rod & Jason Foley? Maybe k carpenter in the mix?
Screw that jay. We don’t want Erod, He is too brittle
Doesn’t make sense for a non contender to trade for him. They can just sign someone for next year.
Verdugo is not worth Erod and Jason Foley, let alone adding Kerry Carpenter in. I think that is what you are saying? You wouldn’t get any of the three straight up for him, because he is not what the Tigers are looking for. Carpenter and Foley are only leaving for an overpay, and young MLB ready IFers are what the Tigers need most. Talk Yorke or soneone not Verdugo.
The Tigers don’t think they are too far from contention so they’re not going to trade away a very good young hitter like Carpenter.
I do like the idea of Boston and Detroit making a Verdugo trade happen, though. I wonder if Casey Mize might get it done.
How about they aim a little lower and send Reese Olson and a flier?
I think Reese Olson is off limits in trade talks unless he is a part of a very unlikely blockbuster package. He looks like a future front line starter for a contender.
The Tigers are not far away. They need some glue guys like Kiner-Felefa or Verdugo who can show the youngsters how to grind out professional careers.
Olson is their number 4 starter if they don’t sign any free agents next year. Skubal, Mize and Manning are ahead of him. I think he’ll be a good 3 or 4 at best and still has some potential to end up a bullpen piece. He’s already been mentioned in at least one trade rumor I saw. Next year will be an important year for him. Hopefully no growing pains like Wentz had this year.
We have some glue guys now I think but Verdugo is a good player who plays hard so point taken. They should just clone Kirk Gibson…that’s a guy who would teach the young guys how to play…even when you’re only playing on one good leg 😉
I would rather ship Duval because Doogie is a great defender. RF in Boston isn’t easy. I’m thinking the other AL team is Detroit I can’t believe Erod is still available the way he is pitching plus his PS experience. He will be a awesome addition to any team in the hunt for a WC.
Unfortunately after singing Verdugo’s praises about how Cora challenged him over the winter and how he was rising to meet the challenge there has been little in the way of praise coming from the Sox regarding Verdugo. Probably not coincidental Verdugo’s slide started around when Duran was coming on strong. The Sox need another RH to put in the OF and could use a power bat out there. Not sure if they get one in a trade for Verdugo or find one mext winter
Supposedly Devers is demanding that the Red Sox front office add pitching at the deadline. Hopefully since he is the face of the franchise that are FO will deliver. Devers said and I quote we have killed ourselves to be in the position we are in, we have proven we can beat the best teams. Hopefully we will be rewarded for our efforts with adding quality pitching at the deadline. Note Sale, Houck, and Whitlock are all returning soon.
Yes, I think the hold up with e rod is. They are in talks with clubs. But the clubs are seeing if they can get him to stay on his contract & wave his player opt out. Guess detroit & the other team would get more. But Chris fetter is a great pitching coach. I think since he came aboard we are seeing some guys who were average to below pitch better at times. Some still have that rough start or two because they aren’t elite. But if Chris wasn’t there it would be worse off. I hope your red Sox do get some good players added. Always fun to see a team so close make it into the playoffs.
I don’t blame him. Watching bullpen games is horrible so it must be terrible playing in them, let alone two out of every 5 games
As far as I’m concerned Devers can shut it until he learns to play defense and not make errors on routine plays that cost wins.
@GA. I was thinking the same thing!
Why would he learn now? He’s already been paid. Should have thought about that BEFORE signing him.
Red Sox would be better defensively with Justin Turner playing 3B and Devers at DH.
As a Yankees fan I say the Red Sox should go all out this year to try and remain competitive.
Would love the Braves to go get him but not sure we have the right pieces to make it happen
Discussing Verdugo when Duvall and Turner are already a ‘no’ for 2024 tells me that next year will be full-blown WooSox time in Boston. Good luck with all that.
So, despite the fact that we just signed both those guys, you think there is no chance we could re-sign them?
I can see the Astros going after him. They are looking for a lefty bat.
The Sox will have literally nothing to show for the Mookie Betts trade. Lol
David Hamilton. Lol.
Connor Wong, Alex Verdugo. Do you know what “literally” means?
(Hamilton came to Boston in the JBJ trade)
Two trolls, and neither one of them can figure out who is on the RS team, and how they got there.. The dumbing down of America is complete.
How about payroll flexibility?
Just for the record, Verdugo and Wong have combined for 4.4 bWAR for $7M while Betts has 4.6 bWAR for $30M.
I like how you pick bWAR for one season. Why don’t you check the bWAR of Mookie Betts in total as a Dodger vs the combined bWAR of Verdugo and Wong in the same period of time.
The issue with bwar total is that Mookie signed a contract and is slowly getting older. He may have had a couple of superb seasons, but he’s not going to get younger. He’s out of his prime days or close to it.
Wong and Verdugo barely make anything in comparison and put up similar numbers.
Whatever way you look at it, I don’t think it matters who is better. The point is Betts was expensive for the numbers he put up and I’m glad we are no longer a huge part of that. I still think Bloom could have gotten a much BETTER return for Betts, so I’m not fully praising him.
This is the first year Wong is a full time player. Does that answer your question?
Mookie Betts is only 30. He still had good years left. As for the cost this isn’t like overpaying some good not great guy. I think if he doesn’t meet the criteria of the type of player that actually deserves a big contract then there are few players alive you would be happy with paying. Instead, money went to guys like Evovaldi and Sale. All the while Betts has a ring and the Red Sox who were said to be retooling not rebuilding haven’t been relevant.
Except Eovaldi and Sale were under Dombrowski, Betts was under Bloom. That’s apples and oranges and two completely different philosophies for running a team.
Bloom has not sent a vote of confidence to his team and like last year, has basically shown he is not in on this playoff push. He is too tight fisted with his prospects.
I like Verdugo. He is an excellent RF’der. He paces himself which gets interpreted as him being lazy. He’s got way above-average baseball skills & mentality. Change of scenery may help him. Yaz for Doogie?
Or Doogie for an oft-mentioned Verlander trade? Henry appeases the fanbase by spending money? Duval is beginning to heat up.
Other than the Mookie deal, which was the beginning of the ‘Money-Dump’ what trade has Bloom made that worked? Bloom–Bellichek neither know how to pull the trigger.
Devers at 3B–he has power no doubt. Devers has difficulty concentrating.
We are at a turning point., sink or swim in Seattle.
Devers is your piece to move that would return what you need. Trading Devers frees up $25 M to extend Paxton. JT could play 3B and make all the routine plays for the last 57 games.
It appears Ceddanne is going to be a player like Mookie & Boggie, He’s on the doorstep. Play him. More young controllable pitching is what we need. I hesitate to move Paxton and Sale might be valuable down the stretch. All those teams would find a move for Devers very appealing
Who’s got some pieces that would make us better? I say the Dodgers, the Rangers, are desperate to win, Houston, DD in Philly. The Marlins are still in striking distance. The Braves are loaded. The Twins.
Are you kidding? Trading Devers and extending Paxton…Two sided horrible idea.
I’d be open to trading Verdugo of the return is worthwhile. The postseason is still very questionable on our end- I see highs and lows and this team is just hard to read overall.
I agree the Brass of the American League is just too tough. Especially after Texas acquired those pitchers. Red Sox have a lot of chips they could trade (Verdugo, Paxton, Duvall, Turner, Jansen).
They could clean up and be set up nicely for next year and beyond. But, oh the crying we would have to endure.
I think a lot of the crying you are talking about is caused by the Puplic Relations lies that occasionally come out of the front office. Some people seem to believe then. “Mookie is our top priority” “Bogey is our top priority” “Staying under the threshold for next year”
Most of know this is BS, but some buy into it. And can you blame anyone? I was tempted to believe Bogey was a priority because I loved the dude. Not 400 million man love though lol.
I think we agree on the direction the team should take now though.
Or maybe they regurgitate what is said on talk radio.
I was tempted to believe Bogey was a priority because I loved the dude.
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Bogaerts was my type of player. Good player, doesn’t miss games, very consistent.
But even when I was okay with giving him a little bit north of the Story contract, I had serious questions about whether it would work out. He didn’t figure to stay at SS more than two years, and his power was down, and say a 7-year contract was well past the point I was comfortable with.
past that, no FO ever tells the unvarnished truth, same as in the executive office of every company. There is just no reason to.
How do you know that’s all from the front office and not what’s rumored? I know they said Bogey was a top priority but I never heard them say that about Mookie Betts.
Bogey is not doing so well this year and not worth the money he got. Can’t say the same about Story, but I do believe it was right to lock in Deversfor what we gave him because his talent alone is insane.
Bogey was good but he was not a generational player in my book. It would’ve been nice to keep both but I do believe Bloom made the right choice here especially after the Story signing.
It’s going to turn into one of the worst contracts ever.
I’m about as vocal against bloom as you get from people with rational underlying reasons for their dislike of him.
That said, I’d 100% support his blowing up this team and selling the guys who either are named Verdugo, on a walk-year, or, hold a player option that’s a lock for them to decline after this season. I’ll also add any aging players over 35 who only have one additional year – I’m lookin at you Kenley.
Letting all those guys go for young talent, or, affordable productive vets with control, set up 2024 nicely, and is worth punting 2023. None of the guys I listed are part of any ‘core’ to build off of, but, the returns you get for them could be….
As I posted in another topic, Sox should not be looking to post season but to next year. This year has been a win with giving the young players at bats/innings pitched. Don’t blow the win. Trade JT, Duvall, Doogie, or anyone else that isn’t in the long term plans. I like three I mentioned, but the Sox need to be real this year. They are not WS team this year.
I would go into Spring Training mode NOW, call up the MLB ready prospects and give them some saddle time. Heck, they might even still get a wild card with the IL group returning. Great opportunity to give even more young guns some big league taste.
I am not a big fan of Bloom’s last 2 years, but have to give the dude his props for this year. He has had a really week. Build on that and take the win.
DBH – I don’t think it’s a good idea to alienate what’s left of the fanbase by raising the white flag when you’re just 2 games out of a playoff spot Especially when they’ve already proven they can beat the best teams in MLB, and they have guys like Story and Sale and Houck potentially returning soon.
FPG- I see your point, I really do. But I am starting to get that 2022 felling again. Bloom made a great move with Hernandez to start the week, but he is kinda stuck now. If he adds, he is over the threshold and looses ground on his rebuild that isn’t called a rebuild. And, if he sells he will hear it from a chunk of the base. He has to look at reality.
Angels a half game behind us, yanks and Seattle 1, and Cleveland 2.5
Why is it folks think we can jump hurdles and they can’t? Sox are a maybe at best, but they’ve followed a hot streak by dropping 3 in a row. Been like that all season.
So again, Bloom should sell who he can and build on what appears to be a promising 2024 team. But he won’t. It is 2022 again. Hold on to players who will be bounced out of the first round of playoffs, if they even get in, and get NOTHING in return. It is too bad.
They could sell prices and still get in!
This is the OF Braves should be after not Duvall
Duvall wont cost a third of Verdugo. Braves are smart, they’ll move only if the price is right.
Verdugo is the only player who is a bigger tool than Machado
Yanks – Are you ignoring Donaldson because he’s done for the year?
I agree actually lol
I would give Turner an extension of a couple of years. Trade Duval, Dalbec, any of middle infielders, Jansen, Verdugo, a minor league shortstop prospect (not Meyer, but they have 20 of them seemingly drafted in the last 5 years). Cedanne is nearly ready to take an outfield spot along with Duran and Yoshida. There are other prospects getting close. If we are not going to be serious about contending, then give the kids a try and bring a decent controllable pitcher. I don’t call being just good enough to make the last wildcard spot and losing in the first game as being serious.
This is what’s pissed me off we traded MOOKIE for this guy and he no where near MOOKIE and Connor wong isn’t no better .. so yeahhhhh I know mookies contract would have been a lot but I’m sorry that trade was awful everything about it …
1) Red Sox were over the cap in 2019, wouldve been over the cap in 2020. Signing Betts wouldve been hard hit for the team to do. It shouldve been done years earlier, when Red Sox had leverage with control years. Instead, it was all in, to win WS, which is fine. But that win came with a cost, of Betts and more.
2) No where did Betts say he wanted to re-sign with Boston. He wanted out of here, probably because of the irrational fans. As proof: Betts with Red Sox ‘I dont want to sign now, I want to wait for Free Agency’, with Dodgers ‘Contract extention? SURE, why wait until Free Agency.
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1) So the Red Sox shouldve signed Betts when financially it wouldve been near impossible.
2) Sign Betts to a team with several other players ready to leave. Betts, Benintendi, JBJ, Rodriguez, Martinez, Porcello and soon after that Bogaerts and Devers.
3) 31 minor leaguers traded away in the 3 years leading up to 2020, meaning no help coming in the near future.
4) He didnt want to stay in Boston. Otherwise he wouldve been open to negotiation.
Sure, whatever.
There is no “cap” in baseball
“cap”
Thats all you got? Whatever.
‘He didn’t want to stay in Boston.’
At the time of the trade, he was looking to purchase a house in the Boston area. There isn’t any evidence he wanted to leave town.
‘I wont negotiate with the Red Sox until after Im an FA, I will negotiate with Dodgers even before Im an FA.’ — That is definitely evidence.
Mookie was looking to buy a house in Franklin, TENNESSEE and the not-too-bright thought it was Franklin, MA. Do some reading.
tennessean.com/story/news/local/williamson/2019/08…
Mookie only signed an extension with the Dodgers because the pandemic. Had the Red Sox waited, he probably would’ve been willing to sign with them, too. Of course, no one knew a worldwide pandemic was coming, so there’s that as well.
And the funny thing was u see the interview with Brock holt . MOOKIE said he wanted too stay here and they didn’t offer him a fair contract or he would have stayed .. they offered him 10 yrs $300 mill but that wasn’t enough for him apparently.. he 100 percent did not want too be here any longer .. that world series deff cost us a lot …
So much bad information. Thank you Bostonsports85 for setting the record straight on Mookie. Other wrong statements in this string of comments:
1) So the Red Sox shouldve signed Betts when financially it wouldve been near impossible.
Silly statement. Red Sox had Betts at $27 million for 2020 and were $20 million over the 1st threshold. When Price opted out the $32 million came off the books for 2020. $32 million saved if he was in Boston but instead it was split with LAD. The $32 million puts them below the 1st threshold and resets the luxury tax costs. Keeping Mookie would have been a $9 million dollar increase to the annual salary beginning in 2021 when they had more than $9 million rolling off the books. Your statement is totally wrong!!
2) Sign Betts to a team with several other players ready to leave. Betts, Benintendi, JBJ, Rodriguez, Martinez, Porcello and soon after that Bogaerts and Devers.
Again completely wrong!! The plan under Dombrowski was to keep the core together through 2022. None of the other players were preparing to leave. Bloom did that and the players for the most part all wanted to stay.
3) 31 minor leaguers traded away in the 3 years leading up to 2020, meaning no help coming in the near future.
Someone doesn’t understand the value of farm players. They have three paths –
1 – Graduate and be an everyday player or back-up on the MLB team
2 – Be traded for a necessary part for the MLB team to win
3 – Live in the minors until DFA’d.
The players leaving Boston didn’t develop into every day players that impacted the teams they went to. So to suggest they had value for Boston in the future is very misleading. The three biggest names were Anderson Espinoza who never amounted into anything. Moncada and Kopech who 6 years later have done next to nothing compared to Sale ever with his injuries. The players traded were all completely replaceable and have been. Guys like Casas and Duran were added while those players were departed!!
4) He didnt want to stay in Boston. Otherwise he wouldve been open to negotiation.
He was open to negotiations for a fair market value contract. He stated it many, many times publicly. Boston chose to not offer it and after the trade Betts got an above market offer from LAD to stay. The $65 million in year one of his deal rockets the net present value of his deal far higher than just to total money split over the years of the contract. It’s called finance and the time value of money. Mookie got an over the market deal from LAD because they had cap room in 2020 allowing them to take the $65 million dollar one time hit to their payroll.
There is no need to fabricate opinions when the actual events are well documented. Not one of the four statements were true.
I think Bloom has to pick up some help here. I think another last place finish this year finishes him with the Red Sox. They are competitive up to a point and when you get your hopes up they let you down. If they trade Verdugo who was supposed to be the center piece of the ill advised Mookie Betts trade Bloom is never going to be looked at the same. That trade should never have happened and I wonder about Henry’s involvement because Bloom cannot tie his shoes without permission from Henry.
“finishes him with the Red Sox.”
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Bloom’s not going anywhere. It would be moronic after all this team building to let him go.
Ain’t happening. We are competitive while building a sustainable model. That’s what Henry wanted, and what Bloom promised.
We have maybe 13 guys between position players, rotation & BP that can play for good teams. Plus a decently robust farm, with few onerous contracts… Just IMVHO, we are a 86.5 win team that should only get better.
Joe – Why don’t you look at THEIR schedule from August 21st on.
28 of their final 38 games are against Toronto, LAD, Houston, Texas, Tampa and Baltimore. It’s a brutal schedule, everyone knows it.
You’re making the exact same mistake you made last year.
Why don’t you look at THEIR schedule from August 21st on.
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1-In the post I made, I never mentioned their schedule.
2-In any case, if I were going to refer to their schedule, I would refer to their ENTIRE schedule, not just the easier or harder portion.
3-Almost by definition, I would assume that EVERYONE in the ALE has a tough schedule, since every team is > .500.
4-And just getting back to the science. the remaining schedule (using opponent records from about a week ago) is .513. Without looking, I assume that all ALE teams have the same SOS.
Fever – Well said. Strength of schedule dictates performance most of the time. Boston has won against good teams and lost to bad teams so they are more unpredictable than many other teams in 2023.
We have seen many teams surprise everyone this year including Arizona, Colorado, Cubs, Rangers, Orioles and even the Giants. Some have fallen back as the year progressed and some have not. Boston is hard to predict because they don’t follow the normal pattern of beating bad teams and losing to good teams.
That said, the Yankees are a mess and they should finally be able to beat them regularly down the stretch. TOR just lost arguably their best player in Bichette and it’s not clear for how long. BAL is for real so BOS will struggle to beat them. TB always seems to have the Red Sox number late in the year and only once hiccuped iin the post season (2021). Houston just got Verlander so they will pound the Red Sox. LAD in Aug and Sept is not a team we are likely to beat. So there is some strong support for the challenge of the strength of schedule being much more difficult the last two months.
One breather occurs after the TOR series that follows the current SEA series, we get KC, DET and WAS. This season, those types of teams have done well against BOS but who knows! If they can dominate those series and break even in the tough series they could be near playoff contention but they could just as easily finish behind TOR, NYY, LAA, SEA and CLE for the 3rd wildcard spot.
They are too unpredictable this year to have any certainty as to their future. The luck of 2021 seems to be back and then it suddenly disappears and they go on a losing streak. Your guess is as good as mine or Joe’s.
Joe – 1. You pumped up your projected wins to 87 based on their current record after playing weaker teams
2. I specifically chose last 38 games because Story, Sale and Houck will supposedly be back by then
3. Not every ALE team is playing so many games against the Dodgers, Rangers and Astros. And the other ALE teams are playing the weaker Red Sox, and not playing themselves. So not the same schedule.
4. Refer to #3, not the same schedule. Which games are tougher to win, against the Sox or against the O’s/Rays/Jays? And you’re not taking into account improvements the Jays, Rangers, Ray’s, Astros etc made at the deadline. It’s called critical thinking.
Moniak and Cron for Vedugo? Come on Boston you know you want to make this deal
Not much of an “angelsfan” if you want to do that deal.
Moniak pads his stats vs bad pitching. Can’t hit lefties strikes out over 30% of the time and walks less than 5% of the time. Cron has always been overrated garbage. Who pads his stats during garbage time. Verdugo adds a above average defender in the outfield. Who puts the ball in play, while getting on base on a consistent basis.
Then lets make a deal.
After this year: Moniak’s 4 years of control on the cheap for Verdugo’s 1 year. Im good with that.
everybody pads their stats against bad pitching… not many hit 320 though… he has hit in 18 of 19 games…must be facing a lot of bad pitchers lately. The strikeouts for a young player can be improved…
I wouldn’t trade Moniak for Verdugo if they had the same amount of control. To thrrow in Cron is an exaggeration to make a point.
Not liking Moniak is your choice. Ignoring his stats isn’t something most people would do in evaluating him Or maybe rationalizing his stats is a better way to express it. The kid has taken longer than expected to develop into the player they wanted when they got him but better late than never.
i like verdugo to NY yanks
similar to what they did last year with the bone head benetindi
Can anyone explain the hate for this guy? The numbers are solid is there a personal issue I haven’t read about?
It’s simple he was part of the Mookie Betts trade so short of becoming a superstar himself then he’s always going to be somewhat hated.
The problem is most people don’t seem to understand how trades work. The Red Sox traded Mookie Betts with one year of control for 17 years of control of three guys. It turns out 6 years of that control of Downs was a complete bust but they did get at least an average outfielder and what appears to be a big league catcher for the 11 years of control.
Ownership could of and should of signed Betts to a big mega deal but that didn’t happen so now ownership gets to watch Betts go into the hall in another uniform.
Another thing about Verdugo he plays hurt probably to his detriment he’s a gamer and just wants to play. When he fractured his toe on April 15th last year it probably affected his hitting and for certain caused a downturn in his fielding yet he still played he tried to fight thru it. Not many players do that kind of stuff anymore. He’s a tough guy who just doesn’t get his due is probably playing with some kind of ailment now that would send lesser men to the IL.
Macbeth I don’t get the dislike for the guy either he is dirt dog really the kind of player Boston fans should embrace yet they really don’t seem to.
Yeah it’s weird to me. I didn’t see any news stories about him being a clubhouse cancer or anything else although I could’ve missed some.
His production reminds me of Bryan Reynolds (being a pirates fan myself) medium pop, takes walks, hits doubles. I’d love to slot this guy into our lineup.
Bruin – Let me ask, which is better 1 year of control of an elite generational player with an opportunity to sign him or 17 seasons of league average or below players?
The 17 seasons of league average or below players can be replaced by other league average players or below at the same price so there is no cost savings and since the players had no star power to become long term keepers the Red Sox got absolutely nothing for 1 year of Betts and a chance to sign him if the owners got off their high horses and apologized for their behavior towards him.
Obviously the owner egos would not allow that to happen so the deal needed to be made and the return needed to have long-term keeper potential. It didn’t so LAD made out like a bandit on the Mookie deal. He continues to be an elite player who now plays multiple positions, leads off with power and takes a run at the NL MVP every year. We have a DFA, a league average at best catcher and a league average outfielder. Nothing of value. League average players are a dime a dozen and we got 2 and a DFA.
I guess Macbeth might point out that he’s a league average dirt dog who is completely replaceable at a lower cost. Thus, he is much ado about nothing!!
If ownership had any intention of signing Betts long term obviously you keep Betts but I don’t think they thought were going to be the high bidders if that is the case then what do you think getting Verdugo and Wong you sure looks like a big league catcher more valuable then a comp pick? I think so. If you are going to go on the assumption that ownership intended to sign Mookie long term and that Bloom just said f that we are trading Mookie to get under the lux tax then yes Bloom should be tarred and feathered. It’s not what happened but yes I’d rather have Verdugo and Wong for 11 years total over one year of Mookie and the comp pick if ownership was convinced they weren’t going to be the high bidders in free agency.
Nicely said Bruin.
So you justify making a bad deal that gets you nothing of long term value by rationalizing it’s better than a comp pick? That shows you don’t comprehend the value of an elite player even for just one season or his value at the trade deadline.
It was a February giveaway that returned nothing of value. It’s taken 3 years to prove that all those in Red Sox Nation that hissed at this deal were right. No lasting value from it. The controlled years were wasted on bad teams.
You sound like the Bloom apologists making up rationalizations for his mistakes. Do you know that Mookie was going to make $27 million in 2020 and the Red Sox were $20MM over the cap. When Price opted out they would have fallen below the cap and had they not made the premature bad deal they would have had other options for the future?
The money that rolled off in 2021 would have kept them under the cap again so nobody can claim that the giveaway was based on sound financial reasoning because it wasn’t. Whether it was Mookie or ownership if he had to go the entire argument here is that they should have gotten at least one long term player from the deal and price wasn’t significant skill was the key to the return for Mookie. You don’t give up elite player for league average guys and come out ahead in the deal.
My suggestion to you is to keep your day job because as a GM you think like Bloom. 2 league average and a DFA no matter how many years does not equal one year of an elite player with the option of extending him or dealing him at the deadline. Verdugo and Wong are completely replaceable at the same cost so there is no value add from the deal.
Look at the way he dresses. He’s a dbag
I have actually met him. You’d be surprised how many ball players dress like tool bags.
I worked at a hotel where every single team stayed during their away games in my city. Guys you think are great guys, are often tool bags.
How do you dress bro?
Macbeth – Google “Alex Verdugo Hotel” and you’ll see, some people just can’t let it go.
And another reason is he’s very flashy and not the brightest bulb. Very nice guy though.
Bloom is in a tough spot here. Devers and Cora are demanding that he bring in some pitching help but he does not want to give up any of his good prospects. He tried pushing Duvall but found out that he would not get any decent major league pitching for him. Now he seeing what’s available for Verdugo.
Bottom line is that no contender is trading away even a number 3 starter now. Teams that are out of contention want prospects not guys a year and a half from free agency. To make this work he would need a third team involved.
Mostly true, but I am not sure we need a third team. If we can get a prospect for Duvall or Verdugo, then we can afford to trade a prospect for a pitcher. It is all about the net value.
Joe, perfect opportunity for a 3 team deal.
Ship Verdugo to someone who is willing to give something up one of the teams with young controllable pitching want. May even require tossing in a red sox prospect, but, worth it to get a good arm
Verdugo is one of those weird players who is seen as a massive disappointment because he isn’t a 30+ HR .300 BA etc. player.
He may not be worth $20M a year, let alone $40M a year, but he’s a solid 3.0 WAR player who will give you 10-20 HR’s a season, etc. he’s solid. He’s slightly above average for the higher end players who aren’t ultra cheap journeymen who are borderline quadruple-A.
He’s like the definition of a major league quality player who isn’t a super star.
In today’s market, that kinda guy is still worth like $10M a year, give or take $3M.
I think Verdugo could live up to a 6 year/$78M deal w/ $67.5M of that in FA money.
I think paying much more than that would make him look overpaid or overrated- and paying him that much would make him seem underrated- because it’s the rare player that sports writers and fans agree is paid exactly what they’re worth, no more and no less.
If Verdugo can get his WRC+ down to 100 even, then Bloom will open extension talks..
Dugie, Dalbec and a minor league Pitcher to Cards for Flaherty and Carlson
Throw in Chris Sale and pay half his remaining salary too.
Verdugo to Mets for Verlander and cash
Depending on the amount of cash, I could do that.
Of course he is dissatisfied.
He would much rather be playing for the Superfife ‘s Tigers…..
“If chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom felt particularly bold…” When has that ever happened? Bloom is about as bold as a turnpike toll collector.
And he’s a dullard. Another deadline fiasco.
red sox fans wanting bloom to punt on this year is depressing
Six should trade for tv announcer too…
… I miss Don Orsillo. I’ll never understand why the Sox ran him out of town. Dave O’Brien is boring and someone needs to tell Sean McDonough he’s not funny.
All likes and dislikes aside Verdugo is a league average player who starts out fast and finishes slowly. Sale is the same way but he’s elite in his fast starts and slightly above league average as he finishes a season making the year well above league average. Verdugo is two notches down. He’s above league average to start and below league average to finish the year thus ending each season at league average.
Verdugo is exciting and opinionated and a character of the game but his play is league average so his pay needs to be league average after control is over. Does anyone think Verdugo would sign for $5 million to $10 million when he hits free agency? I don’t. Is he worth more? His stats say no.
A trade makes perfect sense even if you don’t get much for him except upside potential. He’s not a long term keeper so get some value for him.
The only issue might be outfield depth if the Red Sox think they can make a run this year. Duran, Duvall and Yoshida can handle things until one gets hurt. Then the next man up is nowhere near as good as Verdugo. It’s a risk but if the return is worth that risk I say do it.
Yaz for Verdugo?
Which Yaz?
Verdugo would be a great get for the Tigers.
What would the Tigers be willing to give up for him?
Only 1 more year until FA for Verdugo, I would think Tigers would be looking to obtain players with longer control.
Are the Red Sox really in the race? Can they vault the Ranger/Astro second and the Orioles/Rays/Jays second and third? No.
If you’re going to use the word “and” to begin a sentence, it should never have a comma after it.
And, comma. What’s for dinner? Fish sticks here.
What are you, a gay fish?
Sorry to disappoint you but no.
Verdugo just isn’t exciting. He’s not the best, not the worst. He comes to play, hits here and there, makes a good play, it just isn’t dynamic enough. He just always misses that next level.
He’s the most average player. He’s just kind of a guy who plays baseball. He’s good at playing baseball. He does not stand out. He’s not bad at playing baseball. It isn’t painful to watch him. He just is.
He’s frontrunner for a Gold Glove, he’s the best defensive OF in the AL right now. That’s still better than a lot of “average players”.. He just hasn’t hit much since the all star break, but was above .300 before that
High – Two points
League Average is often measured by OPS+. It’s 106 for his career and it’s 106 for his time in Boston.
If you ever watch his routes to the baseball as a defender you won’t conclude he has gold glove skills. If a “service” is telling you he has GG in his future, then I would look for a different service to follow.
Inclined to keep him because no one wants him
So the original rumor was a filthy lie
Cripes, even though the Orioles are in the same division, I bet they have someone the Sox would covet and or like
Verdugo would help the Os
Translation: the return offers aren’t that good
With the way the Suk Sox have been playing lately, they should be clearing house like they missed doing last year. Any chance not to is a missed opportunity.
We get above .500, then go on a losing streak then gradually get above .500 again. That’s not a winning mentality in that tough division and it’s pathetic how we have a winning record against good teams but trash it all away against losing teams. Pathetic.
I think it’s time to clear house. The gate is closing.
“How bad they’re playing lately”
…They have the best record in all of baseball going back to June 30th, even with losing the last 3 games. Relax a little
Best record which isn’t enough when Blue Jays keep winning. They’ve never been on top and follow their good streaks with bad ones.
Although I know the Sox would never do this they’d be better off trading Devers to the Yankees for nothing. Then they could sign a real 3B next year, Matt Chapman.
Verdugo and Sox ownership are TRASH!
Yup I still can’t believe they thought Verdugo for mookie was a great idea lmfaooooooo yup I could have done much better elsewhere…
Verdugo is a little above average player. He is not anywhere near the caliber of Mookie Betts. That was a bad bad trade Bloom pulled off. I wonder how much Henry was involved in that one. I don’t think Bloom ties his shoes without permission from Henry.
Newsflash, it wasnt Verdugo for Betts straight up. There was salary being eaten (Price), there were other players involved (Wong). Betts only had 1 more year of control, while the other players had many years. Red Sox were in a must trade due to Salary Threshold problems.
To act like Verdugo and Betts were the only parts is disingenuous at best. Haters always dumb down the conversation, leaving out parts they dont like.
Yahoo fantasy sports ranks Verdugo as the 304th player overall. Do I need to explain how mediocre 304th OA is??
“fantasy sports ranks”
Lol. Seriously? How much weight do they give to his defense?
Rankings in Yahoo vary drastically per league lol.
ROTFLMAO!
How u guys feel about Verdugo for Kodai senga??
Or how about Verdugo for Logan Gilbert and teoscar Hernandez??
Boston Sports 85 – Done. Senga is worth far more than a league average outfielder who won’t be sign-able in a year due to his self perception of his abilities.
Hahaha. “Sox might sell Doogie”. Go to bed, wake up to “syke! Keeping Doogie”
It is like watching a crazy guy argue with himself
I am guessing that all 30 GMs listen on every player and every prospect. They would stupid not to. Would Bloom, or anyone else, say no to their #1 prospect in exchange for Julio Rodriguez?
Joe – About 25 teams would say no because of that ridiculous contract of his.
I heard the Dodgers were offering Mookie Betts for him.
He has one more year of control, but if this was next year, he would be gone I’m sure!
Somebody slipped Chaim some Zzzz-Quil, and he is not due to wake up til about 8:00 Tuesday evening!
Another last place finish and Bloom will be done. He dinks and dunks on contracts on players. This way he is going about might be okay in small market Tampa but not in major market Boston. The fans and media are not going to tolerate a missed playoff opportunity and last place finish this year. He needed a pitcher when Sale who I am stunned he counted on this year with his injury history. Houck went down and Whitlock went down with another injury like he does every year . Kluber stole money this year with the productivity he gave this team this year. One of our strategies is to start a reliever one inning then use the whole bullpen to pitch the rest of the game. Why not pull Pivetta and use him as a starter and put another pitcher in long relief. Bloom needed a pitcher and did not pick one up. I don’t get this guys strategy at all.
That’s the thing THEY DONT CARE ABOUT THE FANS OR MEDIA ANYMORE .. just look at the way this team is run that god awful mookie trade to letting Xander walk listen he was not coming back with us plain and simple so they got story and I love story but once they did that Xander was out !! We should have gotten a nice haul for him and a few of the other players on last year’s team but nope God forbid he made some trades .. know this year he says we need stuff but did nothing he’s gonna say he answered all types of calls and the prices were outrageous blah blah blah meanwhile we still have a mediocre farm system and nothing too show for our team . We have devers and YOSHIDA and both aren’t superstars like a MOOKIE or ohtani .. we have mid of the pack players and it shows and as far as pitching goes it’s always been our weakness and it still haunts us . They forget that pitching wins u world series .. scoring runs does too but pitching is everything …
I agree!
Somebody wake up Bloom and tell him there is 10 minutes left in the trade deadline!!! Is this guy afraid to trade ? All he does is pick up released players and then release someone else. I don’t get it. Please don’t fall in love again with Dalbac! It is like Bloom is afraid to give up one of his precious cheaper payroll team controlled rookies.
Oh he’s awake and blocking calls at this point .. just like Dylan cease is available yeah it’s gonna take alot so send Verdugo , Paxton , bleis and someone else for Dylan cease or something of a package .. but that’s it not one trade what a joke ….
And yes that’s exactly how it is . He doesn’t want too trade his precious prospects that rank in the middle of the pact like yup sorry ur prospects aren’t what u think they are …
Here we go ladies and gents chaim.bloom is coming too talk on nesn and give us the most BS stories .. every team did something that needed too but us … Even the angels who are behind us in the wild card made moves .. this team needs pitching so bad and yet we sit here and do nothing … I’m telling u when I see this scum bag he makes me sick too my stomach .. if TB didn’t want u why would our sox want him … I can’t take anymore of this team and the excuses …
He legit just said there happy where they are … So ur happy with no bullpen and no starting pitching lmfao .. what part of Garrett Whitlock is not a starter don’t they understand and tanner houck samething .. like wow u can legit see that he lets his computer do the work .. he doesn’t know baseball man ..