The Cardinals have been hopeful of working out an extension with closer Jordan Hicks, but as of yesterday, talks had failed to progress. There’s no indication yet that the Cardinals feel an extension decidedly will not be reached, but while the situation remains unresolved, the Rangers have been angling to hammer out a trade bringing Hicks to Texas, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today.
MLB.com’s Jon Morosi recently reported that the Rangers have been exploring trades that could simultaneously address both their rotation and bullpen needs; speculatively speaking, the Cardinals could be a match in such a deal, with both Jordan Montgomery and Jack Flaherty expected to be traded between now and Tuesday’s deadline. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News offered a similar report this morning, noting that Texas could look to do the bulk of its shopping in one trade. Grant echoes prior reports that Texas has talked to the White Sox about Lance Lynn and Joe Kelly, and he further adds that the Rangers have some degree of interest in Sox relievers Keynan Middleton, Kendall Graveman and Aaron Bummer.
Hicks would be the second power arm added to the Texas bullpen in the past month. The Rangers jumped the relief market and kicked off the summer trade season by acquiring Aroldis Chapman from the Royals in late June, and it’s been well documented that they’re still looking for bullpen reinforcements.
Hicks, a free agent at season’s end despite still being just 26 years old, would fill that need in spades. He’s shaken off a rocky start to the season and been one of the most dominant bullpen arms in the sport dating back to early May. In his past 28 2/3 frames, the flamethrowing righty has pitched to a 1.88 ERA with a 31.4% strikeout rate, an 8.5% walk rate and a mammoth 66.7% ground-ball rate — all while averaging a blistering 100.6 mph on his sinker. He’s doing so while playing on a modest $1.8375MM salary agreed upon over the winter to avoid arbitration in his final season of eligibility.
Overall, Hicks currently sports a 3.67 ERA in 41 2/3 innings, though fielding-independent metrics like FIP (3.02) and SIERA (3.40) are a bit more bullish. Command has long been an issue for Hicks, but after walking nearly 20% of his opponents through May 7, he’s since sporting that previously mentioned 8.5% rate — roughly in line with the league average.
Durability has been the other primary knock on Hicks. Since debuting as a 21-year-old back in 2018, he’s pitched just 219 1/3 big league innings. A 2019 UCL tear ended that season in June and sidelined him for the entire 2020 campaign, and Hicks has also spent time on the injured list due to inflammation in that surgically repaired elbow, a flexor strain in his right arm, and neck spasms. The 77 2/3 innings he pitched as a rookie still represent a career-high, and the 40 appearances he’s made this season already mark the second-highest total of his career, next to that rookie campaign.
Hicks has avoided the injured list this season and generally been able to take the ball whenever the Cards have needed, however. He’s frequently worked back-to-back days and pitched on three consecutive days as recently as mid-June. He’s seen a modest dip in his velocity of late, “only” averaging 99.6 mph on his sinker over his past six appearances, though that includes a 100.4 mph average in his most recent appearance.
As for the White Sox group, any would add a talented arm to the back of the Texas ’pen. I took a look at Middleton’s quiet resurgence earlier this month, although he’s been scuffling of late — with a dozen runs allowed in his past 14 innings. He’s still carrying a 3.82 ERA, 30.7% strikeout rate and 10.7% walk rate this year while averaging nearly 96 mph on his heater (and playing on a low-cost deal). Graveman, signed through 2024 on a deal that pays him $8MM annually, has a 3.48 ERA with a roughly average 22.6% strikeout rate and an elevated 10.6% walk rate. His typically excellent ground-ball rate has wilted to a below-average 39.4% in 2023. Bummer has struggled to an ERA north of 6.00 but still has excellent strikeout and grounder rates on the year, with a lofty BABIP and unusually low strand rate contributing to his struggles (as I explored in a bit more detail yesterday).
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Good. Also pursue Snell, Hader, Cease, Montgomery, Kelly, a bunch of other relievers, and reaches like Soto/Goldschmidt. If they miss out on one, they would at least have fallback options. Seeping the Padres would be a start.
dudeman40
Goldschmidt definitely an upgrade but at what cost to chemistry?
Agreed on all relievers though! Would love to trade for Hicks and resign.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
What is wrong with Goldschmidt? He’s my favorite player not on the Rangers right now.
Cardsfanatik redux
nothing is wrong with Goldschmidt other than Texas doesn’t have enough in their system to get him.
buddyleex
What system does have enough to get him if one of the best farms in baseball does not?
vtadave
They have 5 top 100 prospects and are ranked by many as having a top 10 system, if not better. They could easily put together an offer.
User 1104686089
What? Texas is a top 10 farm easy. If they could pursue Ohtani, the could get Paul, wether they want to drain that top farm is another story
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
6 top 100 prospects and a few like Foscue, Rocker, Duran, and Harris who were recently top 100, is not enough? He has just 1 year left beyond this. That has to be more than enough.
VonPurpleHayes
They wouldn’t even have to give up all that for Goldy. Goldy to Texas is definitely possible, but I still have a hard time seeing the Cards completely sell.
Cardsfanatik redux
and that’s my point. Texas won’t drain the top, as they shouldn’t, and they’re are great at the top, but st Louis won’t trade him for someone’s 20-24 best prospect. I guess I should have been more clear
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Obviously, Texas wouldn’t trade all 10 lol. It would take a lot less. It makes more sense to spend those guys on Cease, Bednar, or Snell/Hader.
Foxtrot Unicorn Charlie Kilo
As others have already told you the Rangers have many pieces to acquire Goldy including pitching which the cards desperately need
Owen White 43
Brock Porter 59
Jack Leiter 88
All top the top 100 according to mlb,com
If I’m the Rangers I’m asking about Goldy and Hicks together.
Cardsfanatik redux
All kidding aside, what do you guys think the reigning MVP is worth? he totally changes a lineup, and that’s no joke. I don’t think St Louis will do it simply for that reason, but Walker could then stop butchering the OF. It’s going to have to be an overpay. Mo can’t afford to lose that trade. so, what do you see? Yes he’s 35, but he’s still a monster
Foxtrot Unicorn Charlie Kilo
Goldy, Hicks, and Montgomery check in at 24.5 according to BTV. Seems a little low to me so I’ll say 30 just to be safe.
Porter, Leiter, and Foscue check in at 33.5
King of Cards
It’s more about the Cardinals willingness to trade him. The Rangers have prospects that the Cardinals would want but I don’t think Goldschmidt is actually available.
Hicks and Flaherty are.
King of Cards
Flaherty ans Hicks for Lieter. That makes sense for both teams.
King of Cards
Don’t need Foscue but Porter and Lieter for sure.
buddyleex
yeah walk it back lol
VonPurpleHayes
I think if the Cards smarten up, they’ll part with Goldy. Especially if Arenado ends up in LA, which seems even more unlikely.
King of Cards
The Cardinals are plenty smart. There is a long list of players to trade that doesn’t include Goldschmidt or Arenado.
VonPurpleHayes
I think holding on to 35-year-old Goldy is foolish, especially since he’s a FA after 2024 anyway. Arenado is another story. The Cardinals are pretty far away IMO. Trading Goldschmidt can set them up for 2023 depending on the return.
King of Cards
Phillies fan right?
Dude the Phillies do all kinds of foolish things. You think when Harper is 35 they will trade him?
VonPurpleHayes
Yeah. I mean I’m not having a pissing contest here. This has nothing to do with the Phillies. Cardinals are historically a much better organization. The Phillies are in the playoff picture right now. If they weren’t I’d recommend trading some pieces, but they should be adding. The Cardinals are close to 10 below .500. They are 11 out of the division and 10 out of the Wild Card. They don’t really have much options for 2024 in terms of pitching. They have plenty of pieces to sell, but I don’t think any of those will give them a giant return. Goldy would net a HUUUUGE return that could potentially put the Cards in the 2024 playoff picture.
I’m also not suggesting they part with Goldy because he’s 35. I’m saying they should part with him because he’s gone after 2024 anyway. Hell they can even resign him then if they want, but they can net a huge return right now.
King of Cards
Goldschmidt is not gone after 2024. That’s false you made that up. He’s a free agent after 2024.
VonPurpleHayes
“Goldschmidt is not gone after 2024. That’s false you made that up. He’s a free agent after 2024.”
Right. Uhhh….that’s exactly what I said. I even said the Cardinals can resign him after 2024 if they want. Nothing I said was false or made up.
iverbure
Rangers aren’t giving up Leiter for two rentals. Leiters value is roughly double for the 2 months each of control you get from those two players.
asdfgh
Yeah and we want pitching that’s elite and ready and you don’t have that meaning not enough. Also we aren’t selling its amazing how many pretend GMs don’t read or get carried away with a rumor and don’t know crap apparently of what the cardinals have very much made known we want pitching we don’t need position players. Also yeah you are giving up something big he just won MVP and an elite 1B!! Also Hicks and our other pitchers are at the top of the market it’s a sellers market so yeah you are going to give up an arm and leg!! So get with reality folks
King of Cards
I think the return on these rentals is going to be pretty good. Heck Cardinals payed a nice price to rent Quintana last year. Cardinals fans know what rentals cost.
rememberthecoop
Not a Cards fan by any means, but Goldy is a leader, and I highly doubt he would cause a chemistry issue.
mlb fan
Goldy’s a stud and a real team guy; the worst thing I’ve ever heard about him, is he may have trouble catching up to high velocity up in the zone. I worry about a meteorite hitting my house, more than I would worry about any Goldy “chemistry” issue.
Seamus O'Meara
Not sure why teams show interest in Joe Kelly. Sure he throws really hard but he is simply not that good.
Dad
But every team needs a red ass and Kelly is that Guy! If Kelly would have been pitching when our Catcher got intentionally hit last night with the bat up side the head, the next pitch would’ve been 96 mph thrown at his head not a 40 mph plunk on the buttocks!
settledownitsjustagame
If you thought that was intentional, you shouldn’t be watching any baseball games.
Dad
Lynn is a strike out or home run threat
nottinghamforest13
Rick Helling and Mike Venafro for Hicks.
King of Cards
Is Venafro the guy from Moneyball?
AHH-Rox
I’d rather watch Venafro than Venmullet.
Motor City Beach Bum
Call the Tigers for one stop shopping. Erod or Lorenzen plus bullpen arms. Cost is Justin Foscue plus more!
stymeedone
I like Jonathan Ornelas as a good fit also. Cisnero would be a good fit for Texas. Not Hicks level, but hits 98 on the gun.
kidnova
Go get him.
mlbnyyfan
Rangers going all in for Bochey good for them.
Domingo111
Is this a great fit? The rangers have a lot of hitting prospects but the cards are already crowded with hitters and desperately need good pitching prospects with stuff.
The rangers have two famous pitching prospects but both are compromised, one just had TJ and the other one pitched very badly his last two seasons and might be on the way down.
I don’t see a really good fit here, foscue is a good bat but bad defender, the cardinals already have the same hitter in nolan Gorman.
Jeremy320
A 2 month rental of Hicks is not that expensive.
King of Cards
Porter, Leiter and Rocker. Cardinals would want those guys.
Daniel Youngblood
For two months of Hicks? The rental reliever market has already been set with Chapman and Robertson. It’s not a great seller’s market.
King of Cards
I didn’t suggest all 3 for just Hicks. Rangers want a starter too and the Cardinals have those.
I simply said those 3 are guys the Cardinals would want. They want high upside pitching.
CardsFan57
It becomes more of a sellers market with each pitcher taken off the board.
King of Cards
I can’t believe the Dodgers wanted Lynn.
Daniel Youngblood
Not really, because the number of potential buyers decreases as well. And relief arms are available in such abundance that there will never be enough scarcity to create any serious desperation.
If one’s too expensive, you just move down your list. As bad as the Rangers right-handed bullpen arms have been this season, it won’t be hard to find an upgrade or two.
User 1104686089
Don’t forget Owen White, Tekoah Roby. If you like relievers we have Marc Church, Chase Lee or Antoine Kelly who are on the way up. I also think Cole Winn still has a chance to figure it out, he just won PCL pitcher of the week twice in the same month, the cards might help him figure it out.
King of Cards
I like Kelly as a potential elite reliever.
The Cardinals have a specific need it’s not just pitching its potential. It’s guys who have a chance to be top of the rotation guys and if risk is part of the deal so be it. They don’t need depth there are lots of back end starters coming through the system the problem is high end pitchers.
I know Lieter,Rocker,and Porter fit that bill. I do think the 2 teams match up well.
User 1104686089
I don’t think any of those guys are going to be considered for a rental, honestly I don’t. Probably Roby or White are what you are after.
Domingo111
I agree. They do have guys who can throw strikes and be a 5th-7th starter, they Lack the guys who can miss bats and be 1-3 starters.
The cardinals long time had a philosophy of throwing strikes and play good defense but the shift ban hurts contact pitchers so you need a bit more swing and miss.that means the cards need to shift their philosophy which will take some time.
King of Cards
Cardinals don’t need Roby or White. Heck I think White is higher rated than those other guys I mentioned but Cardinals want upside not some innings eater type.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
The prior article wrongly states that Bummer is in the last season of his extension, followed by 2 options. The year is 2023, not 2024, meaning he has another year left, along with 2 option years (3+ years vs 2+ years of team control).
Daniel Youngblood
As a lefty, Bummer makes little sense for the Rangers, who already have four lefties in their current bullpen. He also has been pretty terrible this year, if we’re being honest.
I want to add a mid-rotation starter or better and two RH relievers. If we can get a bat after all that, great. But the lineup is not really an issue at all currently.
Wheeler Dealer
Don’t trade with Cardinals or Rays
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Adolis Garcia, Sandy Alcantara, Randy Arroz, and Zac Gallen were all stolen from them like candy from a baby. Why shouldn’t teams trade with them? Also, Nathaniel Lowe exists
Domingo111
The rays do sometimes trade away good prospects but usually those are guys in their last year before rule 5.
They don’t like to lose guys in rule 5 so if they have a 24 yo hitting decently in AA who is blocked by 3 guys they will trade him instead of losing him 5 months later to free agency. Jake cronenworth is a good example for that (he sucks this year but produced almost 10 war after getting traded in 3 years from 2020-2022).
So if you want to trade with the rays go for the 23 yo who is rule 5 eligible next year and not for the raw, higher upside 19 year old because the rays can evaluate those guys quite well.
nottinghamforest13
The one thing I’ll say in the Cardinals’ defense is that none of those players were close to being finished products when they were traded. They had some significant holes that could have easily not gotten solved. So it definitely looks bad in hindsight, but anyone who says they knew for sure those guys were ready to breakout is being disingenuous.
JosephK
All of the cardinals rookies are good players. Cardinals have so many good players in their minor league system that they have to let some of them go because they have no place for all of them. It would be unfair to minor league players if one team held them back in the minors just because that team did not need them right then. Baseball is made better by the Cardinals farm system.
CardsFan57
MIami would like a word. about trading with the Cardinals. They love trading with the Cardinals. The Rays also love trading with the Cardinals.
User 1104686089
i love it when fans say “don’t trade with X you always lose.” reality is that every team has lost a trade or six, it happens. Just ask the Rangers about Kyle Hendricks
teufelshunde4
What did Marlins all world studs did get for Stanton and Yelich? Asking for friend.
CardsFan57
They got Alcantra, Gallen and two other players from the Cardinals for Ozuna.
msqboxer
Rangers should get at least a pair of mid-tier relievers to get through the stretch run. Especially guys that can throw 2 innings if necessary. Hicks has a electric fast ball when he can spot it, but walks to many batters and get wild sometimes. Still think a Lynn and Middleton deal makes more sense because Lynn takes the ball every fifth day and gives you 5+ innings and if he had a team that would give him some runs he would turn his ERA around. Not to mention Bochy is an old school guy and would like to have someone who will battle and keep you in ballgames without taxing your pen.
kidnova
Lynn is washed. I loved him while he was in Texas, but he doesn’t meaningfully improve this rotation.
No Soup For Yu!
Hicks walked 10 hitters in April alone, but has walked 14 in the 3 months since then. He’s been spotting his fastball for a while now. Also not sure how Lynn “keeps you in ballgames without taxing your pen,” when he has a 6.47 ERA.
kidnova
Yup, I heard a local DFW radio host yesterday afternoon talking about how his ERA was inflated because of a rough start. Naturally I checked his June/July numbers and his ERA is 6.36 the last two months. He’s done and it’s time for him to move into his pre-retirement role of long relief somewhere.
msqboxer
If the cost of a Lynn is 2 prospects outside of your top 15…you have to consider his BAbip is .328 due to horrid defensive team behind him. I’d much rather have a Lynn down the stretch because he’s healthy, great clubhouse guy and has pitched in big games and not cost me top tier prospects.
kidnova
You’re right about the intangibles, but I don’t see him jumping anybody in the current rotation, especially in the playoffs when we drop down to 3/4 man rotation. Sure he’d be cheap, but if they’re going to utilize prospects then go get someone who will actually contribute when it matters.
This one belongs to the Reds
I can’t blame them. They want to improve the bullpen instead of doing nothing. Good for them.
baseball lifer
Acuna, Foscue, Winn, Saggese, and Ornelas could all be had fairly easily in exchange for SP and RP help (maybe a LF).
dankyank
Mozeliak looks clueless with all the back and forth on Hicks.
CardsFan57
Mo wants to extend Hicks if he can. He will be traded if they can’t extend him. That’s not back and forth. That’s negotiating while exploring all your options. It’s a narrow window so I’d expect nothing less. I’m not a big Mo fan but there’s nothing wrong with keeping both avenues open with Hicks.
teufelshunde4
Mo strikes when there isnt news… News of extension is bs.
Trade him no need for him going forward.
Slider_withcheese
Hicks reunited with the pitching coach that can bring out the best in him.
JosephK
Rangers have to beat the Astros. Just so Rangers know, Hicks is not that great without Molina framing his pitches and Molina in general working with Hicks. The reason why the Cardinals are not good this year is because Molina is gone.
If I was a Ranger I wouild look at Justin Lawrence from the Colorado Rockies. That guy is pretty much completely shut down when he comes in.
FrontOfficeStan
What? This is without a doubt Hicks’s best year. If you’ve seen Hicks before, then you know that nobody could frame his pitches, he was that off. Has nothing to do with Yadi being gone. He was worse with Yadi still here. Biggest question about him now is will he melt under the pressure of someone in contention?
User 1104686089
I suppose it’s nice that we have the best pitch framer this side of Jose Trevino then lol
User 1104686089
We also taught Jose Trevino to frame pitches so that counts too lol. Bobby Wilson for the win!
leftcoaster
Cardinals are trying to fix their pitching problems by trading their stud reliever. Smh. Sign Hicks, check that box and move on
CardsFan57
It takes two to sign an extension. A lot of players want free agency. The only way to sign them is to overpay.
BradBaar
Okay, here’s the problem with Cards’ fans. They’ve been brainwashed by the Cards FO, specifically DeWitt & Moe. Pitching is ALWAYS TOO EXPENSIVE! It’s always over-priced. It always costs too much!
There’s no end to it and the fans allow this crap to continue by supporting these out-of-touch clowns. Cards will be spending a boatload on pitching this winter and it won’t be coming cheap. Hoping to land Yamamoto from Japan as an ACE.
realbaseball
Worst manager in baseball. Nothing but front office puppet.