The White Sox seem to be gradually accepting that this isn’t their year. A miserable 8-21 start in March and April put them in a bad spot out of the gate. They managed to stay afloat by going 15-14 in May and then 13-13 in June, keeping them near contention in a weak American League Central division. But they slid a bit further recently, going 2-6 in July prior to the All-Star break. Their overall record of 38-54 has them eight games back in the division and even further back in the Wild Card race.
As of about a month ago, it was reported that they were hoping to limit their upcoming summer sell-off to just rental players. But reporting from yesterday indicates they have widened that stance, now willing to trade just about anyone on the roster apart from Luis Robert Jr., Dylan Cease, Andrew Vaughn and Eloy Jiménez.
One of the more interesting trade candidates they will have to consider is shortstop Tim Anderson. The extension he signed with the club back in 2017 was guaranteed through 2022 with a pair of club options. The Sox triggered the 2023 option and still have the potential to do so again for 2024.
The decision to trigger the first option was an easy one, as Anderson had emerged as a solid above-average regular for the club over the course of his deal. He was a solid speed-and-defense player in the first couple of years but subpar at the plate. He took a huge step forward in 2019 and maintained it in the years to come. From 2019 to 2022, he hit .318/.347/.473 for a wRC+ of 123, indicating he was 23% above league average. When combined with his baserunning and glovework, he was able to produce 13.6 wins above replacement in 374 games, according to the calculations of FanGraphs.
At the end of last season, the Sox had to decide between triggering a $12.5MM option for 2023 or buying him out for $1MM. With many premier shortstops earning north of $30MM annually, that price point made Anderson a bargain. Unfortunately, this year has been a nightmare for him. He’s yet to hit a home run this season and is batting .223/.259/.263 overall for a wRC+ of just 43, the worst production in the majors among players with at least 250 plate appearances. The advanced defensive metrics also consider him to be below average this year. Those metrics can be fickle on a year-to-year basis but this would be the second straight season they have all had him in the negative range.
On the offensive side of things, if one wanted to look for signs of hope, there are things to squint at. Anderson’s Statcast numbers aren’t drastically different from previous seasons. His average exit velocity of 88.3 mph is in the same range as where he’s been in recent years and is even above his career average of 87.5. His 109.6 mph max exit velo and 40.9% hard hit rate are similar to other seasons as well. His sprint feet of 27.2 feet per second is about a foot shy of his norms, but that’s not too shocking given that he missed about three weeks with a left knee sprain.
What seems to be a real factor is launch angle, which is averaging 0.5 degrees this year, well below his career average of 6.6. His 65.1% ground ball rate is well above the 42.5% league average. Anderson has always had above-average grounder rates but was at 52% for his career coming into this campaign. All of that would perhaps explain why he doesn’t have a home run and why his .284 batting average on balls in play is so far beneath the .376 mark he had during his strong 2019-2022 stretch.
Perhaps Anderson can produce better results going forward just by pounding the ball into the dirt less often. Regardless, the Sox have a few weeks to decide between a few different paths. One is to trade Anderson, which they are apparently open to doing, since he wasn’t listed as one of the players that are off-limits. However, doing so would mean selling when his value is at an extremely low ebb, given his awful results so far this year.
It’s possible that some clubs are willing to overlook the rough season and take a shot on him. The upcoming free agent class is very light on position players, meaning the crop of available trade candidates is likely to be similar. There are several contenders who could use middle infield reinforcements, such as the Giants, Marlins, Angels, Dodgers and Brewers. Those clubs may not have too many options for lining up on trades. The Cardinals will likely listen to offers on Paul DeJong, but he has his own issues with inconsistency and is no guarantee to be moved with a couple of club options remaining. Teams like the Orioles and Guardians have many infield prospects and could be open trading from their respective surpluses, but they would likely be looking to part with the players who aren’t helping them right now.
Perhaps that leads to someone making the Sox an intriguing offer, but it will undoubtedly be less than what they could have gotten in the past or could potentially get in the future. The other path would be to hang onto Anderson and hope he finishes strong enough for them to justify triggering his $14MM option for 2024 instead of the $1MM buyout. If he’s able to return to his previous level of performance, that would still be good value.
If Anderson were indeed able to get back to being a solid everyday player, he could perhaps help the club have better outcomes next year. Even if the club stayed on the outside of a playoff race, he could increase his trade value relative to where it is today. But the risk would be in hanging onto him and spending $13MM on another disappointing season. There’s also the injury question to consider, as various ailments have prevented Anderson from tallying 125 games in any individual season since 2018. He’s since battled a right ankle injury, two right groin injuries, two left hamstring injuries, a sagittal band tear on his left middle finger and this year’s left knee sprain.
The third path would be to sign Anderson to an extension, something he openly pined for back in February. No deal has come together up until this point and Anderson’s leverage has surely dropped dramatically since then, when he said there would be “no discounts” and that he wanted to be “treated fair.” It’s unknown if the Sox ever had any formal negotiations with Anderson’s camp, but any offers they may have made at that point would undoubtedly be dropped if talks resumed. If the club believed in Anderson’s ability to get back on track, perhaps they would try to buy low and get him to agree to a lengthier pact, though doing so would essentially carry the same risks as simply triggering his 2024 option, only more so.
Each path comes with its own upsides and downsides, depending on what the future holds. Holding onto him for 2024 or longer is the smart thing if he bounces back but the wrong move if he doesn’t, while the inverse is true of the trading path. What do you think is the right choice? Have your say in the poll below. (Link to poll for app users)
BeeVeeTee
Anderson’s reputation in Chicago will never be the same with his ranting and raving for a contract extension when is already under a current deal to his off the field issues to his performance this season. Let some other team deal with Anderson and the baggage he brings with him until he becomes a free agent.
rememberthecoop
I live in Chicago and I haven’t heard of him ranting and raving.
Cohen’sLastWhiteTooth
@coop. He was never ranting and raving. We all know what OP is upset about when it comes to TA
Kayrall
I don’t. What is he upset about?
rocky7
Takes one to know one….maybe your Mom set the bar……Pretty nasty personal comment bub! Guess you’re perfect!
Mi Casas es tu Casas
If ever a thread needed moderation this is the one.
avenger65
Neither have I.
mlb fan
Tim Anderson is a drama Queen who’s always hurt. He’s first on the list of reasons that a seemingly always talented Chisox team always underperforms. Defend him if you like, but then don’t complain that the Wsox team is always far out of the playoff chase.
Ham Fighter
Trade him for who? He’s hitting 223 with 0 hr in over 200 ab. They need to DFA Jackie asap
kiwimlbfan
Send him to the Yankees after they cut Donaldson, so funny
deej
Donaldson is Babe Ruth compared to Tim Anderson now.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Getting hurt makes you a drama queen? And you know this from all the athletic participation you engage in running from the utility room to the mini fridge in your tidy whidies?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Ham fighter quoting the Alabama red neck whose been despised by former teammates on team after team that sends him away? Come to think of it, Donaldson does bear a resemblance to the redneck Phillies manager depicted in 42. Even the normally reserved Aaron Judge had to tell Donaldson to knock it off.
flamingbagofpoop
Reading isn’t that hard dude. Saying someone is a drama queen that is always hurt =/= is a drama queen because he’s always hurt. The fact that you needed to resort to ad hominem shows how weak your argument is.
neurogame
He should have never compared himself to Jackie.
BlueSkies_LA
You might want to stop stalking this guy. It’s getting kind of creepy.
Cohen’sLastWhiteTooth
Two responses make it stalking?
By that logic, your 1 response to me means you at least want this dong. Stop drooling blueskies, but this dong don’t want none.
JoeBrady
BeeVeeTee9 mins ago
Just basing facts!
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The simple solution is for you to post a few articles supporting your opinion.
BeeVeeTee
Simple thing, look it up! There is this thing called Google. I know morons like you probably don’t how to use it or read anything above four sentences.
BeeVeeTee
nypost.com/2023/06/14/tim-anderson-talks-fathering…
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Telling someone to “KYS” is a pretty horrible thing to say to someone just because he has a different opinion. I don’t agree with everything dude said, but he doesn’t deserve that. Suicide is no joke.
BeeVeeTee
audacy.com/670thescore/sports/chicago-white-sox/ti…
BlueSkies_LA
🙁
JoeBrady
“with his ranting and raving for a contract extension”
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That’s what you said. Posting an article about TA fathering a child out of wedlock does nothing to support your assertion.
JoeBrady
Simple thing, look it up!
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I did.
Nothing showed up about him “ranting and raving for a contract extension .
That’s why I asked you to back up your claim.
Now, are you going to back up your claim?
Joe Kerr
TA did an interview with Chuck Garfein before the season and discussed the disappointing 2022 season and he literally blamed the fans. not the teams play, bad defense, injuries, a 132 year old manager, terrible offense or even just give credit to the teams who played better. no, he blamed the fans and the media for their losing. it’s so obvious he doesn’t want to play on the south side anymore.
BeeVeeTee
Anderson only blamed the fans in 2022 after the story came out about getting another woman pregnant where it tarnished his image. Trust me, fans knew what was going on and we are not perfect. Anderson has been wanting an extension since the 2019 season when he won the batting title even when he signed a deal in 2017 that lasts until after next season then has this off the field issue. Anderson and his wife were doing all of this charity work in Chicago where it does not help a player’s image as the core player on the White Sox when your home life is not in order. Anderson started to slip once this story came out about getting the other woman pregnant and it has been showing since then. Again, Anderson’s off the field issues are what is hurting him and he is the only one who can fix it.
flamingbagofpoop
Take your own advice.
BlueSkies_LA
🙁 !
mrmackey
The fact that that comment is still here after 2 days makes me lose faith in this site and its ability to moderate.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
@mrmackey
For real, my post gets deleted for saying “s**t”. But its perfectly ok to tell someone to commit suicide. If they are going to have any sort of moderation on this site they should at least be consistent.
Cohen’sLastWhiteTooth
BJFJ.
iverbure
Anderson even with a higher batting average wasn’t going to highly sought after when his obp is so dependent on his babip. The dinosaurs are going to roll their eyes at that but this is one of the first things front offices think will fall off.
I’m not particularly sure how many teams are going to be interested in a guy who’s clearly not happy with his contract and thinks he’s a starting SS on a contender? Which team needs a SS?
frankiegxiii
Dodgers could use one that can hit or get on base
BlueSkies_LA
Rojas is currently better at it than Anderson, though that isn’t saying a whole lot.
BeeVeeTee
Nothing with stalking! Just inside information, and it has been obvious Tim Anderson was going through something then came out in an interview with his wife saying that had marriage issues where they were seeing a marriage counselor.
BlueSkies_LA
Okay, so not stalking, just gossip-mongering. That much better.
BeeVeeTee
It’s not gossip when it came that he has a child out of wedlock where it caused problems in his marriage the last year that he had to do an interview with her saying their marriage problems have been disruptive to his game. No one told him to have an affair then get the woman pregnant. There are things called condoms! Tim Anderson and his wife have charities in Chicago and his child out of wedlock did not look good for their reputation. It is what it is!
BeeVeeTee
If you don’t think other teams know what is going on Anderson’s personal life along with other players then you must be really dumb!
BlueSkies_LA
🙁
BrianStrowman9
Rojas is actually a SS. Not a butcher with a glove. TA is a 2nd rate teams starting SS.
Or was anyway. This version of him isn’t MLB caliber. Decline.
PiratesFan1981
Trade him, but for a few prospects that can contribute to White Sox success later on. Maybe adding some pitching in that trade.
Buzz Killington
I don’t think he has any trade value.
kellin
I heard the Dodgers offered something for Anderson, but the White Sox turned the trade down. No idea what was offered, though. So, yes, he has trade value.
avenger65
To me, Anderson doesn’t look happy. He plays as if he doesn’t want to be here anymore which, if true, would be a shame because the fans love him. I’d like to see him stay but with a different attitude. But maybe he needs a change of scenery. Another team might straighten out his game and his mental outlook. He’s made some uncharacteristic defensive mistakes this year and he seems like he just wants his AB’s to be over.
BeeVeeTee
Anderson is not happy because he got caught up cheating on his wife with fathering a child out of wedlock to his current putting an extension on their home which will be her home he has to pay for once they are divorced along with that child out of wedlock once he is no longer in Chicago. That is logic! His mind is no longer on baseball and now about money. Anderson use to be a good player and can still be one once he gets his personal life in order. Anderson is an example that game of baseball along with personal issues takes a toll on players.
PiratesFan1981
Major run on sentences. Sheez
BrianStrowman9
Is that English? What is putting an extension on their home? His wife added some rooms?
Franco22
Well how has he changed the game, he has issues other players have had in baseball history.
JerseyShoreScore
The Dodgers offered Noah Syndergaard to offset the two salaries, as both players are worthless…
Ma4170
Agree, he doesn’t have the type of trade value he once had and the white sox wish he had.
rememberthecoop
They’d be selling very low if they moved him now. And they would have to eat some money.
For Love of the Game
Not much money – he is owed about $6 mill. for 2023 and there is a club option for 2024 that could be declined in favor of a $1 mill. buyout.
flamingbagofpoop
He’s had some bad babip luck, but I wonder how much would be selling low and how much he’s just bad.
JoeBrady
It’s not the BABIP. It is the launch angle. When the writer mentioned 0.5, I assumed it was either a typo )like it should be 5.0) or some other LA data I was unfamiliar with. I don’t recall ever having seen a 0.5. That’s why his slugging is an almost impossible low .263.
The better question is, is it fixable?
jasonconnor612
Between his subpar performance (along with the huge drop off in trade value), the below-market value option and the lack of options for 2024 in free agency, I don’t know how the team could trade him at this point.
drasco036
It would be a horrible time to trade Anderson, any team would only offer a lottery ticket prospect in hopes he regains his form.
From an acquiring team, it would be win/win, if Anderson is terrible, they can decline his option and if he’s good, they get to pick it up and retain an extra year of control.
I think the White Sox should hold onto him and see what happens over the next year. It’s not a huge investment given his previous production
jasonconnor612
Exactly.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Also to add that the acquiring team can flip TA in the offseason if he regains form this second half. He’s not worth much in prospect capital now. It’s a gamble to take on his remaining salary and hope for good production and getting much better prospects than what they gave up.
stymeedone
If the White Sox pick up the option, it will be like picking up the option on Kimbrel. Trading him will be difficult because of his down year, and there being no extra value at that price tag. There will be a lot of risk taking to keep him and little money to spend in other areas of need if they do. Even with a rebound in the 2nd half, there is no guarantee he will maintain that next year. I’ve watched Williams and Hahn repeat mistakes before. Hopefully, they won’t get the opportunity again. Get something now, because you don’t want to pick up that option.
avenger65
The problem is, if they trade TA, who’s going to play ss?Does any Sox fan believe the FO has enough knowledge to trade for prospects that are actually considered good or will they get fleeced (again.)
MPrck
Seems kind of unstable to me. If someone on the 1980’s Tigers had said I’m the next Al Kaline, and guys on other teams called him Al, he’d have to take it because he said it. Now 4 decades later it’s no longer sticks an stones, but laws against making fun of people.
Since that dust up J.D just gets bad press about everything, but making fun of what someone proclaimed to be should not ever be one of them. Judge J.D on his baseball, not for making fun of someone’s stupid comparison. Anderson might be a good player, but he needs to own what he says, not blame others.
Dumpster Divin Theo
JD has had bad press and bad relations with teammates throughout his career. Ask former As, Twins and Jays. Pretty embarrassing when the normally reserved but highly regarded Judge has to tell him to STFU. Meanwhile TA was getting plaudits from Trout, Derosa and other teammates on Team USA for his positive energy in the dugout. Lance Lynn’s reaction: “that’s how he’s always been in the clubhouse”. Google the Ken Rosenthal piece.
flamingbagofpoop
None of what you said discounts anything in the post you’re replying to?
watup0100
No point in not trading him right? Is he the guy they want to continue to build around for the future/next contending team?
mrmackey
Only that they would be selling low.
Vincent854
It doesn’t matter what his value is. Trade him. They don’t have a front office or ownership that is worth a damn. You should always eat money to increase the quality prospects coming back. They will never do that because reinsdorf is cheap af. I’ve loved this team my whole life. The last 3 years have been the most frustrating of my life. Without a new owner nothing will change. Come on football season.
roob
Bingo. Reinsdorf is the worst owner in Chicago sports history and that is saying a lot.
flamingbagofpoop
They have the 12th highest payroll and the 24th highest attendance. Is he cheap, or does the team not make as much as people think it does?
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Get Donaldson and have him call Anderson “the modern day Jackie Robinson” to get him fired up. Somehow, it irritates him only when Donaldson does it. Maybe then, he may start caring enough to put in a consistent effort to improve.
DodgerBlue22
He doesn’t want a good o’l boy like Donaldson calling him that. Pretty obvious.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
What about a good young “girly-man”(Arnold Schwarzenegger quote)? Liam Hendricks, for example
DodgerBlue22
Anderson would definitely not be threatened by Liam or his big bro Thor(not Noah the real Thor). That would be 100% acceptable.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
I don’t understand whether you are mocking him or being serious here.
DodgerBlue22
Mocking T.A.
Donaldson would eat Thor’s little hammer!
kevinb
Looking a lot like the Cubs a few years after winning the World Series in ’16. Tons of talent, can’t seem to win games. Time to move some guys.
Tom Emansk1
Except for the whole haven’t won a single playoff series part of it lol. But yeah, the wheels on everybody seemed to fall off all at once. They had a really promising core and once they hired LaRussa it all went downhill.
BrianStrowman9
I wouldn’t put it all on Larussa. It’s an entire organization problem/
Teams without minor league depth don’t win ballgames. You need at least 35 guys to make it through a year. Look at the padres or Mets. They spent all that money but have absolute trash coming up from the minors taking innings. No depth makes success next to impossible:
flamingbagofpoop
especially when so many pieces of your core are injury prone
flamingbagofpoop
LaRussa didn’t make their players injury prone.
DCartrow
I’d have him outta there before he could say Jack Robinson.
acoss13
He has no real trade value at this point, the White Sox would be getting bread crumbs for him.
stymeedone
Beats getting nothing, and nothing is what they are getting from him currently.
flamingbagofpoop
By fWAR he’s produced -1.1, so they’d actually be better off if they were getting nothing from him, instead he’s hurting them.
dankyank
What team is going to pay roughly $5.5 million and a prospect for Anderson’s total lack of production? The White Sox are stuck with him until they can buy him out in the offseason.
stymeedone
They can pay down his contract in the trade.
MadSkillsUniversity
Tim can still be a great player, but I think he needs a change of scenery. I also don’t like his attitude, especially when he says he’s the best player on the field when he is OBVIOUSLY not. A log ha a better personality, and I am tired of who now call Mr. Cool. 🙂 Trade him to LA so he can play with his boy Mookie. They will be better, and so will Tim. Mookie should be in the OF, anyway. IMHO.
Dumpster Divin Theo
When did he say he was the best player on the field? You seen triggered
ChicagoCool
…MLB.com headlined just that in a TA article, available on the WhiteSox site
dazedatnoon
I feel like the Dodgers can “fix” several players, maybe he is a good fit there.
He should have been moved to 2B and one of the 6-8 shortstops in the last 2 years signed to play quality defense. That ship has sailed….
DCartrow
Yes, playing with Mookie on the Dodgers would help him immensely.
Even if he plays like crap, they can package them as “Mookie and Dookie”
88dodgers
Lol
deej
They couldn’t fix Gallo.
deej
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sheerterror
JACKIE!!!
mlb fan
Addition by subtraction; move on from the constantly injured drama queen known as Tim Anderson.
RobM
His trade value will be minimal because he’s performing so poorly. He’s injured. No player with his skill set and at his age collapses to this level without being injured. No contending team will want to acquire a player in his state, so the best move by the White Sox is to hold him, get him healthy either in the second half, or likely for next year, and then either let him help the 2024 White Sox, or trade him at the 2024 deadline. The biggest question: Will the White Sox pick up the 2024 team option, or will they cheap out, pay him $1MM to walk away? A smart team would try to maximize his value. The White Sox under JR have not always been a smart team.
mlb fan
“No player with his skill set”…Exactly when was Tim Anderson that good anyways? Players that had maybe a good year or two crater ALL the time in MLB. I never really thought Anderson was anything special, although opinion-manufacturing media elites may disagree.
BrianStrowman9
TA was a good offensive player. He’s not a major league SS on a winning club though. He needs to be playing somewhere lower on the D spectrum.
BeeVeeTee
Tim Anderson was always considered a bad fielder and the Sox wanted him to develop in the minor leagues before bringing him to the show. Unfortunately the White Sox had to bring up Anderson a year or two sooner.
flamingbagofpoop
2019-2021.
DarkSide830
No sense selling as low as CHW would be.
JerseyShoreScore
The correct answer: Non-Tender him in the off-season.
solaris602
They’d actually have to decline the club option and buy him out for $1M which is probably what they’re planning to do at this point.
KingZeke8
Trade him. Wrong side of 30, get what you can for him.
mamss
Don’t know is really an option, c’mon now.
FullMontilla
Anderson will get traded to the Giants for a couple mid-range minors suspects
SupremeZeus
TA will be traded at the deadline. The 2024 trade deadline. You’ve been Hahned!
nottinghamforest13
Everything comes down to some type of sociopolitical wrongdoing with him. Nothing is ever his fault or even happenstance. It’s always a victim of oppression situation.
roob
I think you’re trying to say that Josh Donaldson is a scum bag.
BrianStrowman9
JD could be a scum bag and TA could still blame everyone and everything but himself for all his issues. You know both can still be true.
sss847
in the past 5 years tim anderson has a batting title, a silver slugger, and 2 all-star appearances.
its probably better to treat this year as an aberration and bet on a bounceback than trade him for a random A-baller we’ll never hear from and save the equivalent of 10% of javier baez’s contract.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Also came up clutch in the playoffs and WBC. Career .350 avg including that massive walk off in the Field of Dreams game. True he’s likely to decline past 30- but don’t we all.
BeeVeeTee
Anderson’s past statistics are not the issue.
It’s Anderson’s personal issues that are affecting his game and he publicly came out the last month saying it in an interview how fathering a child out of wedlock affected his marriage to playing baseball. I am no genius but when you married with children and get some other woman pregnant where everyone knows about it is not going to make your life at home so easy! Anderson and his wife Bria have all of the charities in Chicago so yes that causes issues with their image. This is something only he can fix and no one else. Anderson was pumped as the White Sox’s future to this role model but his off the field issues kind of hurt his image along with his skills on the field as a player. The old saying baseball is 90% mental and the other half is physical.
JoeBrady
That’s all well and good. But everyone makes mistakes. Just for fun, how many players in MLB have girlfriends on the side? TA simply got caught or got careless or whatever.
Where I come from, all he has to do is own up to his mistake and take care of the child.
stymeedone
His wife begs to differ.
one
he fell off after he was hurt last year
leftykoufax
Good change of scenery player who is only 30.and had some very good years.
CKinSTL
If you can get a pitcher that factors into 2024 and beyond, just trade him. If not, I’m guessing the Sox pick up his option and bank on him rebounding in 2024.
teufelshunde4
Doesn’t take a genius to see why TA’s production cratered, .346 lifetime BABIP, and as someone who doesn’t take walks, as soon as his BABIP leveled off to league avg, his production cratered.
Either TA is hurt, or his bat speed has slipped and TA hasnt found an answer.
mlb fan
Saying Tim Andrew is hurt doesn’t take a genius; the dude is always hurt and that’s why the Whitesox need to move on. In MLB, you need durable, core, up the middle everyday guys and nothing about T.A says “everyday”. Just look at the Atlanta Braves for example, their core, everyday guys actually play almost everyday.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Valid point about being hurt and reliability- can’t fault that. TA has a tendency to get hurt due to his athleticism: he didn’t start playing baseball until high school and was originally a hoops player so it took him a while to develop natural baseball instincts. Why some think he might have been better suited to the OF- maybe do a reverse Mookie
King of Cards
These comments are ridiculous.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
What would you like people to type instead?? Enlighten us !!!
solaris602
Tim isn’t an oft-injured prima donna who is having a bad year and behaving like he doesn’t want to be in Chicago. He’s just misunderstood!
King of Cards
Solaris
Are you a White Sox fan?
It seems weird how many people have hard feelings over this guy. I wonder what the motivation is.
solaris602
I’m a Guardians fan – there you go. Is there anything I stated that isn’t true?
King of Cards
So why are you attacking a guy personally like this?
It’s weird
Dumpster Divin Theo
Lot of personal attacks based on the publicity of the JD dustup and a perception that he’s some egotistical NBA showboating thug- it makes for an easy narrative. Those that follow him day in, day out knows that he’s soft spoken and shy in interviews, leads by example in the dugout, does a ton of charity work in the city, and is always positively interacting with fans: he’s the designated guy who every inning tosses a ball into the stands looking for kids and newbies. He’s clearly frustrated being hurt and most regular fans have his back.
BeeVeeTee
When you are a professional athlete in a major market city where you want the attention along with fame to big contract then you better live a well balanced life without personal drama. Anderson did it to himself with comparing himself to Jackie Robinson to his ranting and raving about his next contact to his personal life and now his poor play on the field due to marriage issues.
flamingbagofpoop
Are you new to the internet?
King of Cards
NBA showboating thug????
Ok…..
RockinRobin
The 2019 – 2022 Tim Anderson is valuable with his .820 OPS and avg 3..1 WAR and 122 OPS+.
The 2023, not to so much. Lost some trade value. What happened in 2023? Negative WAR and a 46 OPS+. (46!?!?)
dazedatnoon
here’s a shocker….luis robert to the IL.
BeeVeeTee
No indication of Robert to the DL. Robert just chose to sit out of the All Star game. Don’t be mad that Robert took over as the star as the White Sox where Anderson’s time as the star is over with.
pharmorlover
He’s a bum and just cancer. No where near the hype. Trade him while you can! Now kiss me you fool !!!
DCartrow
Wow, if he doesn’t even merit a “word on the street” take from the Pharmster, he must indeed be a bum!
Fred K. Burke
The way things are going and have been going. Looks like the White Sox need to offer Jobu cigar and rum.
AdmiralPatton
I voted because this bum deserves a DFA
AdmiralPatton
I voted other because this bum deserves a DFA
rct
Surprised at the lack of DFA as a choice.
johnnynoitall
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johnnynoitall
It is rare if it is “ever” their year. Post season once every 20 years on avg
Samuel
SS is a defensive-first position. To be successful the SS must have a high Baseball IQ to read the game situation, and being the hub of the defense needs to be in the right place on the field and quickly make the correct play.
Anyone that understands SS play and has watched Mr. Anderson throughout his career, has to believe that saying that “He was a solid speed-and-defense player in the first couple of years and is still regarded as a quality ML SS because of defensive statistics – has to question the validity of defensive statistics. Can say the same thing about his baserunning, unless stats are calculated primarily on the speed of the runner.
dazedatnoon
How about a deal involving Tim Anderson and Joey Bart? Change of scenery for both. Add players to whichever side needs
Wheeler Dealer
Tim Anderson has got a lot of side pieces making life difficult
Franco22
Grew up watching Robin Yount make the transition from SS to CF and to HOF status.
TA could have been a all star Outfielder but his ego got in the way. I don’t think he likes Chicago could be a hotshot in LA. It’s over here let him get a fresh start elsewhere. He never was a SS, doesn’t have the mindset for it.
mike127
Please don’t use Robin Yount and Tim Anderson in the same thought, paragraph, sentence ……
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
TA has hurt his value exponentially with his mouth and marital indiscretions. Good luck in free agency dude.
JoeBrady
Keeping him is a slamdunk. Right now, he is worthless.
But in the three previous season, he had a 4.8 bWAR/650 PAs. The WS have to make this gamble.
BrianStrowman9
Why though, Joe?
What do you get for a rental on a $13MM contract? if they intend to compete next year—maybe he’s useful again. But I doubt he’s a good starting SS. He’s always been carried by athletic ability.the white Sox certainly aren’t an organizations that teaches fundamentals.
If Ta’s bat speed has slowed at all—-he’s about cooked. He has no plate discipline or skills to fall back on. Stat cast is indicating he’s lost a step running as well. Unless the ChiSox feel that something outside of a decline in his athletic ability is the root cause—-you gotta take a pass.
JoeBrady
Here’s my figuring.
1-If the WS are going to tank completely, it is probably okay to trade him, since 2024 won’t matter. But I think their intention is to just clear out the guys that won’t be here in 2024.
2-If they want to compete, who is going to play SS? If they have a ML-ready SS prospect, then it is probably okay to save the $14M, but I don’t get the impression they have a replacement.
3-IRT his present talent, FG rates his speed as good, but UBR as shaky. EV and maxEV are career norm. The biggest issue I see is his launch angle, which is incredibly low, which is leading to his -0- HRs. I don’t know enough about hitting to know whether that is a short-term issue and fixable.
TA feels both like high-maintenance and a good guy. If I were the RS, and I could add TA for nothing more than salary, and then have TA & Story in the MI, and Arroyo back to the UIF, I’d have to spring for the $14M.
With the full acknowledgement that this could go sideways real easily. And, FWIW, I appreciate your comment that is neither “TA is a bum” or “TA walks on water”.
BrianStrowman9
Feels like a Mondesi move but pricier. TA also doesn’t have the same severe injury history…..
I could see it. I think the WS are completely delusional to think they can compete next year. They have a good SS prospect that will be ready—Colson Montgomery. But other than that, their minor leagues are not bringing reinforcements. Giolito/Clevinger are both FA’s. Lynn has an expensive option if he’s not traded. You’d need to replace 40-60% of your rotation without really having anything internally to do so. They could try Crochet as a starter again but he’d be on an innings limited if he was even successful.
I just don’t see a path for a team that is that weak and doesn’t have tons of talent on the way.
BrianStrowman9
The white Sox essentially have to rebuild their pen too. It’s a pretty good one right now but they stand to lose a good bit of it to free agency.
They’ll need a catcher as well. They really need an OF and a real 2B. On top of the SP’s they’ll need to replace.
I don’t see how you rebuild that club and compete next season. That would be a miracle coming from any FO—let alone that one.
Samuel
Bstrowman9;
Your first Reply hit it on the head.
In fact, not only can that be said for him, but for almost all the WS players. Their players can look good for a few years when they’re young. But there’s no organization in place to have then play smart fundamental baseball in order to help the team win when they have little injuries, in slumps, or age. I’ve seen high school teams that play better baseball. Year-after-year this is one of the most undisciplined teams in any pro sport. Players come over from other teams, get lazy and develop bad habits. Doesn’t matter who the manager or coaching staff is. The PoBO and the GM are awful, but it goes to the owner that sets the tone and is like a parent that protects his/her kids. But these are adult human beings and are being paid astronomical salaries to do what they do…not kids.
This is not an indictment of Anderson or any one player – it’s an indictment of the entire White Sox operation and emanates from their owner.
roob
Anderson’s game was never sustainable and he is unlikely to age well. Unload him.
Trooper344
I would like to see him get traded. He made the comment that “ he knows when he steps in the field, that he is the best player out there and everyone else on the field knows that too”…..
No doubt the talent is there, but he is all about himself. Unfortunately he is horrible this year, possibly a clubhouse cancer, but they have him at a reasonable price. I wish Montgomery was ready but coming off an injury, he may be two years away.
Hope he gets hot next year then launch him at the deadline.
theknuckler
Only thing to do now is to attach him to a more valuable piece at the deadline, kind of like they do in the NBA with albatross contracts .
For instance, if say the Yankees want Giolito,
you make them eat Timmy’s contract too.
Rsox
Trade him and get whatever you can. Odds aren’t great he bounces back this season and they are most likely buying out his option for next season anyway so might as well get something, anything in return
Fire Krall
DFA
Viveleempireevil
He and his whole perpetually red-assed routine will not interest alot of clubs. Plus, he’s not the player he was just a few years ago. If they can get a bag of balls for him, that might be the best they can hope.
Dumpster Divin Theo
But he’s not perpetually red assed routine. Is this some kind of easy narrative? African Americans being thugs and Latino players being emotional? But a Caucasian player showing grit and being heady if he shows enthusiasm? Hey but if this makes it easier for you to process the game, you do you. Check out the Rosenthal piece on his popularity on the WBC club with Derosa and Trout for context. And maybe talk to the fans and kids who are delighted to get baseballs from him midgame.
flamingbagofpoop
victimhood mind virus
Viveleempireevil
My good man…why do some people always bring up race? Trevor Bauer was perpetually red-assed as is the likes of Alek Manoah and Jorge Soler. So? What does this prove? Dunno. That there are always a-holes of every stripe? Will leave that to others to conclude.
JoeBrady
What does this prove? Dunno.
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IMO, comparing himself to Jackie Robinson should rankle people no matter what color they are. He’s not close to Jackie in terms of talent without even considering Jackie’s historical significance.
I’d bet 90% of players didn’t like the comments, but only 1% was stupid enough to say something.
leftyleftylefty
For you to say hes not is just incredibly disingenuous.
How about screaming and yelling and calling a white player the “N” word.
And getting suspended for it.
Maybe it is about race because HE made it about race. Maybe HES the racist.
How about flipping off two fans for simply asking him “what’s the score?”
And getting suspended for it.
Or how about going full aggressive nut job on an umpire last year.
And getting suspended for it.
What—that’s not enough for you?
Then let’s add the off the field issues—that HE brought on himself.
Yeah.
The guy is toxic, and I would bet most teams want nothing to do with him.
Moneyballer
Bat him last, hope he finds his swing/power. Trading him at his lowest point makes no sense. Continuing to bat him leadoff makes no sense. The answer isn’t to just bench him either as he needs to play to work out of whatever it is he’s dealing with. There’s a great hitter in there, he needs to find it – again.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Man after reading the comments I really should have voted DFA.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Dairy Queen. Tim Anderson definitely needs a trip to the Dairy Queen. Solves most everything.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Not a bad idea- he probably has that in his contract rider from the commercials
DCartrow
No Dairy Queen for TA.
Problem with the Blizzard what with the white out aspect and all.
Franco22
Well dumpster, Apr, 2019 bat.flip saga. Calls opposing pitcher the N word, has a string of suspensions, likes to tag runners with an empty glove, gets time off for groin. Pulls with mistress, claim he the new JR , 60% of poll says not worth the hype or. effort but you want him, pay his salary then
Earle Combs
Just release him. He is a bum.
Redwolves3
Trade Anderson to any team. Just don’t trade him to the Giants. Anderson is definitely not a good fit for the Giants.
SODOMOJO
Trade him to Seattle for Jose Caballero and Bryan Woo.
its_happening
Deal him to the Dodgers or another team needing a middle infielder. White Sox need a bit of a reset. Anderson looked good at 2B in the WBC, IMO.