The Padres have signaled a willingness to hear trade offers on Juan Soto, reports Jon Heyman of the New York Post. Heyman writes that San Diego is also open to overtures on Blake Snell and Josh Hader, though he reiterates the Friars’ preference would be to add to the roster before next Tuesday’s deadline.
For myriad reasons, it seems very unlikely the Padres would move Soto in the coming days. They’re only a year removed from acquiring him and Josh Bell in perhaps the biggest deadline blockbuster ever, sending CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore and top prospects James Wood and Robert Hassell III as part of the package to Washington. Pivoting to deal him away within a year would represent a major change in direction for a franchise that has rapidly escalated payroll and seemed hellbent on collecting as many stars as possible.
San Diego chairman Peter Seidler went on record at the start of July to say the organization wasn’t “going to reverse course” from that aggressiveness. Obviously, the Friars haven’t pulled out of their middling performance in the few weeks since then, but a Soto trade would run directly contrary to that message.
Indeed, Jeff Passan of ESPN wrote just two days ago that the Padres had been rebuffing offers on Hader and Snell. Moving Soto — who is eligible for arbitration for a season beyond this one — would require a significant change of heart. There’s been a little more chatter of late about the possibility of Hader and Snell coming available (USA Today’s Bob Nightengale also suggested as much this morning), but they’re more logical trade candidates than Soto since they’re both headed to free agency after this season.
San Diego, owner of a 49-54 record, faces a double-digit game deficit in the NL West. They’re 6.5 out of a Wild Card spot with four teams to surpass. Their place in the standings makes a run at the postseason this year unlikely, though certainly not impossible. It’s hard to envision this club kicking off any kind of longer-term retool and a Soto trade would obviously deal a huge hit to their 2024 lineup.
While Soto got off to a slow start to the season by his own huge standards, he’s looked like himself over the past few months. He owns a .286/.434/.548 line since the start of May and carries a .262/.417/.501 slash overall. There’d clearly be enormous interest if the Friars were to genuinely market the three-time All-Star. It seems they’re currently open to offers more so as a matter of due diligence than any kind of eagerness to deal him.
Whether to move the impending free agents or push in more chips in hopes of an excellent second half could be determined in large part by their next few games. The Padres have four more outings before the deadline: a three-game set at home against the division-leading Rangers, then the first contest of a series in Colorado.
It is about time
THE Friars are Below .500 since SOSO Arrived. Seemed more interested in HIS Results than Team Results.
Yes, Soto should absolutely be holding the bat for other players too. He’s also very selfish for not coming out of the bullpen to get outs every second day.
Same ol Padres we’ve seen this story before! Can’t say I’m surprised, they do what they do best!
Unfortunately the San Diego fanbase is full of morons, I’m a Padres fan, and seeing some of the idiots hate on someone who is #1 or #2 in hits XBH homers runs rbis wrc ops BB and is one of the few people who actually practices in the outfield In His offtime is infuriating. He’s selfish for what reasons? Like you said, should he bat for the other players, and pitch for the relievers? Jesus christ
It’s baseball, for the most part focusing on your results is focusing on team results
It’s not Soto. The Padres’ 5-9 hitters have been absolutely abysmal all year. Dishonorable mention to Cronenworth, Nola, and Grisham.
And whomever is the DH ..need a DH that can hit(Carp and Cruz suck, at least Cruz is gone)
Add Cruz and Carpenter to that list.
Outside of a hot 2 weeks to start the season Bogaerts has been awful, and Machado didn’t show up until July
The San Diego fanbase is mostly full of idiots.
Theyd rather hate on the guy leading or #2 in every major offensive category…
I’ve been arguing that Bogaerts is part of the problem. It isn’t that he isn’t a good player; he is. But they moved Kim and Cro off their natural positions to accommodate a good, but not great player. And spent a gazillion $$$ to downgrade their SS position instead of acquiring a 1B.
As a result, their sOPS+ at 1st is 57, which is the worst in BB.
This idea that Soto is a clubhouse issue or a selfish player is totally fabricated. I’ve seen SD, NY and Philly media say it. I have no idea where it comes from. He’s a pretty well loved guy.
“Clubhouse issue”…I think it comes from you, actually. I watch Philly and the NY teams 4+ times per week and I’ve never heard anything close to that, the media is usually fawning all over him as the next coming. I’m sure the media elites appreciate you spreading their usual (Mis)information.
You must not listen to it all that it much. WIP was just talking about how they don’t think Soto is a good fit for about half a day last week. Larry Anderson went on a rant how it would ruin the clubhouse. As for NY media, to be fair it was mostly callers calling in, so I can’t blame any actual host.
I love Soto. I’m not spreading any misinformation here. I’m just baffled because I can’t find one bad thing about Soto said by any teammate.
Here’s another source besides Larry Anderson:
sportskeeda.com/baseball/news-mlb-twitter-reacts-r…
So no. I’m not making it up. The media for some reason is stirring the pot.
I have also witnessed Philly broadcasters talking about it.
Much like Heyman making stuff up to keep himself in the public view, the media makes money by creating controversy even if it’s a complete fabrication.
I have personally seen Soto and other players out in the Gaslamp and dining in Coronado together. The Padres players are all over social media together here in San Diego. Soto bought a house a few doors down from his best buddy on the other side of the bay directly across from Petco.
The Padres seem like ome of the most fun clubhouses in the game.
websoulsurfer11 hours ago
Much like Heyman making stuff up to keep himself in the public view, the media makes money by creating controversy even if it’s a complete fabrication.
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Did Machado and Tatis get into a screaming match? Assuming the answer is yes, then could there be other issues that we don’t hear about?
SD fanbase is many things. About 30% are recent additions, who jumped on the bandwagon when Seidler started spending and Chargers departed. But I’d be careful to portray the older fanbase as moronic. Deprived, sure. Anxious for a legitimate chance at sustained winning, yeah. But moronic is a bit harsh.
The trade for Soto was the penultimate stroke of real hope for a championship, and yet the team isn’t performing. Soto is the lightning rod taking all the disappointment from the fans upon his shoulders. Manny disappeared from the media during his 2-month slump, and fans left him alone. Soto goes to work each and every day and gives his all. The whining about him from newbie fanbase is unfortunate, as he’s been perhaps their best hitter/player in 2023. The comparisons by all of MLB of Soto to Ted Williams set the tone, It’s often how Americans treat their best and it’s sad. Salas need heed caution of the road ahead. The odds of winning a WS is less than 4% each year so a fan’s enjoyment can’t be based on winning it all or one becomes miserable often (like some Dodger fans!). Appreciation has to be about the game and the talent on the field, not just winning.
Exactly. When was the last time Heyman was in San Diego, cultivating all of his sources?
Just because their listening to offers doesn’t mean their going to trade him.
they’re*
Thank you! That drives me nuts!!!
Basically they’re not trading him, happy now? They’ll never get back what they traded for him, they might as well just keep ‘em’ then.
Maybe Jon Heyman is talking about Jose Soto, instead of Juan Soto?
> since SOSO Arrived.
Sammy SOSO?
Sammy Sosa’s long lost twin
Correct. Lost and apart because of a vowel.
Although Mario Soto was quite the SP in his day. Loved that guy.
It’s not real. Heyman is once again making things up to keep himself in the news just like he did about Judge signing with the Giants.
As others on this thread have pointed out, Heyman was 100% correct about the Giants signing Aaron’s twin brother Arson Judge. Idk about his other predictions tho.
Well, he did get jacked up the other day when he was cutting a tree in his yard and broke a couple of bones in his back.
I’m guessing the Rangers would kick the tires on this trade possibility, maybe the Orioles.
I hope they don’t just kick the tires, but rather they puncture those tires.
What top prospects has TEX BAL traded recently? Only team that consistently trades away the prospects it would take is SD. SEA MIN have done it.
Jays have swung some deals, have a quickly closing window and probably have just enough prospect/mlb talent to make this happen.
Yep Berrios I remember. Varasho. Not Soto level but shows they are willing to part with their top prospects.
I think Soto would augment that Yankee lineup well. A healthy Judge/Soto combination could be lethal.
Agree. And having both with the Mets being trade deadline sellers! Yankees miss a lot of big fish and have to pivot and settle for something else. Are they willing to trade the prospects? Can hear fans now. The Alien isn’t available. Volpe is the next Jeter. Better than Jetter. Soto for Andujar Frazier our 19th and 28th ranked prospects.
@Ignorant Son-of-a-b I think you are 100% correct. A lot of Yankee fans disagree, they don’t want to give up all the prospects, and have him walk away. That’s why you sign him to an extension for $480 million for 12 years lst. I mean he’s 24 years old, with a swing that’s tailored made for Yankee Stadium, what’s there not to like? $40 million a year doesn’t seem like too much either, Judge makes the same amount. Lmk, and I hope everything is well, and keep the comments coming!
Dude needs to get away from sleepy San Diego ASAP. He was on a inner circle Hall of Fame trajectory before being traded there.
He’s 24….his HOF trajectory”…Since you’ve already inducted him into the HOF at 24, soon he’ll be writing his memoirs about how he “revolutionized” the game, right?
He is still on an inner circle HOF trajectory.
From ages 20-22, he was one of the five best players in the sport. Since being traded to SD, his batting average and power have taken a nose dive, while his defense still hasn’t improved.
.291/.427/.538 with Washington
.253/.407/.463 in San Diego
Right now he is the 3rd best hitter by way of OPS+, 6th best in wRC+, and 12th best overall player in WAR.
He had a 160 OPS+ in Washington and a 158 in SD. His time in Washington included COVID year and the juiced ball season. As a Padre he has exactly league average DRS and in Washington it was -11 DRS.
You didn’t refute any of my points by posting other stats lol. Compare his slash lines with Washington and San Diego and tell me which hitter you’d rather have. And that’s not even considering he was a ages 19-22 in Washington.
That you don’t understand the stats is the issue here. Slashlines are great but mean nothing in a vacuum. You cannot compare season to season and ballpark to ballpark using them.
OPS+ is adjusted for season and ballpark. That means something. I refuted everything you said with that one stat.
I said his batting average isn’t the same as well as his power. OPS+ has nothing to do with anything I said.
Soto isn’t even in the top three hitters in NL West using the eyeball test. Freeman, Betts and Tatis are all better than Soto. And Acuna and Ohtani are better than all of them.
The more important point is that if San Diego pays Soto what he willultimately get they will not have the money that is better used for depth balance and pitching. They already have Tatis, Machado, Bogaerts and Kim. They should have passed on Bogaerts because his stats basically should be compared to 1st baseman since her caused Kim and Crony to shift. Best thing Friars can do is to trade Soto and Preller by the end of the month.
Haha I’m guessing you probably meant trade Snell and/or Hader but it’s a great slip to say trade Preller by the end of the month.
Agree they’re probably best off not extending Soto and using that money elsewhere. Keeping Soto one more year and offering nothing more than a QO might still be the best return they can get on the prospect investment they made to acquire him, but it’s at least worth weighing that against whatever offers they might get for Soto right now. Especially if they end up punting on this season and trading away Snell and Hader.
I’d just like to peel away Snell for the Mariners. Hader could be a good get for the O’s since he’s from Maryland.
Ms fan here.. why exactly do we need Snell?
Idk what the Mariners’ current needs are but people on this site LOVE linking players to their hometown teams.
People like playing for their hometown. I would guess that’s why.
No proof of that being the case.
And since was a prospect with the O’s…
***since HE
Only if Snell can hit .300 with bombs. We certainly don’t need the pitching.
They won’t deal for Hader to be a setup guy. The price will be cost prohibitive. They should get someone like Raley.
Run Roh.
Listening in on Soto likely means Snell and Hader are not “untouchable,” as prior reports mentioned. Clearly, rentals are more likely to be deal than Soto. Who would have thought, though, that they would be even considering dealing Soto or Hader at this time last year?
Fire Preller first. Don’t let him trade with anybody.
Constantly dealing away your best young farmhands, aka “all in”, actually shortens a teams competitive window. Atlanta, Houston, the Rays and the Dodgers, some of the best teams of the last 7+ yrs, only do this in case of emergency and that’s mostly why they mostly have elongated competitive windows. In the near future, I expect SD’s competitive window to be rather short and they’ll likely have 3+ superstars on a team with very little depth, payroll flexibility or reinforcements.
They already have 4 more top 100 guys. Preller is good at reloading the farm.
I’d they trade hader and snell they will add at least two more. If they moved Soto as well they would possibly have the best farm or top 3 in baseball.
All that and still have super stars.
Simm;
Preller is a farm director masquerading as a POBO. He’s very good at finding prospects. Ones that people that evaluate prospects love and give high rankings to.
But a POBO is paid to make the major league team a contender. To do that the organization has to develop the young players. His organization hasn’t done that…nor are they especially good at working with the veteran players he brings in via expensive free agent signings or glitzy grades where he packages numerous prospects to get one name veteran.
This year the Padres have the 3rd highest payroll in MLB. Meanwhile they’re 4th in the NL West (hardly the strongest
division in MLB).
If this appeals to you – have at it! What I’m wondering is when San Diego sports fans are going to wonder when they’ll have a teams that actually contends for something other than a Wild Card spot.
And the Braves, with a GM who is worshipped by all, have the worst farm system in baseball right now.
You act like the prospects he brings in are a bust and don’t develop. Most of them are pretty good but have been traded.
Almost all of them continued to progress through the minors and did well.
You just don’t see them on the team because they have been dealt.
Being able to get your prospects over the hump into the majors is sorts the entire key to the equation, is it not?
It’s not a key if they are traded for players like…Soto, mustgrove, snell, darvish. Some didn’t work out like they wanted but if you said he wasn’t patient then okay. You can’t say it like they were busts and were t being developed
“and still have superstars”…The on-field results are very telling; you cannot trade away your top prospects for “accomplished” veterans every year and expect to contend for long stretches. Someone in SD has clearly been drafting excellent players for awhile, but you have to let them marinate and progress to the Majors, not trade them away in attention, headline-grabbing deadline moves every year. I really do expect SD’s competitive window to be short, because the process of training a new group of prospects can sometimes take several years.
Actually it is. If teams know you are unable or unwilling to close on your prospects you will regularly have the other GM’s bending you over the table in trades because they know you can’t develop prospects in house. Preller’s inability to develop in house is also why you see a stars and scrubs roster in San Diego with no decent MLB regulars filling out the roster behind your megastar like Machado and Tatis. Finally, there’s something to be said about having your guys come up through your system, debut in the majors and hopefully eventually win a championship together. Establishing a “Padre way” instead of just a team of mercenaries. This will never show up on any stat sheet. And the boo hooers will never give it any credit. But it’s a very real thing.
So you are wrong. Being able to get your prospects over the hump into the majors IS the key to the equation. If you can’t do that, why even have prospects?
The Padres basically have to win the WS this year or next year with Soto on the roster or else that trade will go down as the worst trade of all time.
“Worst farm system in baseball” …The cost of doing business and landing STUDS like Matt Olson and Sean Murphy. How many World Series victory parades has your team held recently?
Fair enough point. I do believe you are better off building and bringing up prospects together.
Honestly think the owner pushed to rush things. Seidler is a two time cancer survivor and every year for him is one more then he might have left.
I do think you need at least two superstars to compete for a championship. I don’t think they have to home grown. The biggest issue with the padre this season has been depth along with some slow stars to their stars.
“It’s not a key if they are traded for players like…Soto, mustgrove, snell, darvish.”
“Fair enough point. I do believe you are better off building and bringing up prospects together.”
You just contradicted yourself. Which one is it?
It’s not then not being able to. It’s them not trying to. You can argue the route they chose to build a team is wrong but saying they can’t get guys over the hump is also wrong. They haven’t hardly attempted to since tatis and maybe 2-3 others like campusano who looks like he is clearing that hump.
And why would they not try if they can?
I do think it’s better to build your team through your system first. I also believe you need to make trades to add to the team as well.
As you will see this deadline when every single contender trades for players. The padres risked their way out of their rebuild and traded away a million prospects. Doesn’t mean they can’t get them over the hump. Just means you didn’t try to.
Also noticed you never replied again the the list of fwar bwar guys. Unless you are telling me Kim is the best player on the planet.
That’s exactly it, the Padres skipped the cardinal step of assembling your prospects into a homegrown core before subsidizing that core with outside additions.
If Kim can sustain that for a couple more years? You bet.
Of course you can. It’s what prospects are for. They are trade capital. They make it as great MLB players so infrequently that it’s the most useful thing any team can do with them.
Atlanta, who you seem to worship, is winning because they TRADED prospect capital for Murphy, Olson, Rosario, Arcia, Fried, Iglesias and other top players. A few of their top players are homegrown, but the vast majority of their stars came from outside the organization.
@msalamy, oh please, enlighten us on how the Braves have the worst farm system in the majors…
@websoulsurfer, um… get some of your facts straight there buddy. Fried was acquired during the rebuild, i.e. he was gotten by selling away major-league talent. Freed was a minor-league prospects when we got him. Oh, and by the way that is from someone who “worships” the Braves.
@websoulsurfer, again I have got to call you on your facts. Harris II, Acuna, Albies, Riley, Strider, Morton, Elder, Soroka. That’s more than a few of the Braves top players.
28th – fangraphs.com/prospects/farm-system-rankings
In their post draft update BA has them 27th.
Fried was a Padre originally. The Braves got him in trade. I have my facts straight. Maybe you should try it sometime.
“the vast majority of their stars came from outside the organization”
Reading comprehension is fundamental. Strike two.
@websoulsurfer What prospect did the Braves trade for Max Fried and Orlando Arcia?
Braves have 12 players who I would consider stars. Of those 12, exactly half are homegrown. Charlie Morton and Max Fried aren’t technically homegrown because both have spent time in other organizations but Morton was originally drafted by the Braves back in 2002 and almost all of Fried’s development was in the Braves organization.
Preller is a farm director masquerading as a POBO.
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That’s been my opinion for a while. He undoubtedly finds talent. He undoubtedly has the #3 payroll. Theoretically, that should lead to the best record in BB.
Anything other than firing the GM & rebuilding the front office is simply delaying when this team can regularly contend. But it seems the ownership must be pretty smitten with the guy still.
I wouldn’t fire Preller, but get someone above him. The guy is obviously good at identifying talent, just not at the MLB level.
He can’t be that good given that they spend as much as anyone “identifying talent” & they have never been good under his “skills of identifying talent”. They trade away their best prospects to be underwhelmed in return, sign overpriced veterans. Lighting money on fire is fun & all but
Dumb. If they are going to trade Soto for a haul they might as well have a fire sale and tank. Why risk the clubhouse fallout by even putting this kind of thing out there mid season?
They’re already tanking. Whether intentionally or not. The clubhouse fallout you fear is already present and accounted for. And although there are still games remaining on the schedule, the season is at its end for the Friars & their fans. Buenas noches, Pobres.
Clubhouse knows they are finished.
you think the padres put this out there? This is from Heyman, so from Boras.
Which means Soto wants out of SD. Or Boras wants Soto out of SD.
harambe. Not necessarily. There are plenty of other potential imaginings
They didn’t. This has the same veracity as Judge to the Giants. Just like that rumor, this one was 100% fabricated.
Why not trade Soto,Hader, and Snell and bring back some good to great prospects to recoup the farm system. It’s not a fire sale or a complete rebuild. If they reset the cap threshold, they won’t lose 10 spots in the draft and go for it in the off-season. There’s Nola, Ohtani, etc. this off season barring an extension by either player. The money Hader would want in the off season is too much because Diaz set the bar pretty high. Snell would command a high salary too. Plus trying to sign Soto…. For a player that likes to walk and a defensive liability on the field. Watch the Phillies game where he misplayed that ball, gave up 2 runs, costing us the game as one example of many.
Soto still has an extra year of control and they traded their entire farm for him. They can’t trade him.
If Giolito can net angels 2 premium prospects for a rental, then Soto with a full yr and half can net a lot more in terms of prospects and mlb ready players.. probably not as much as what they sent to Washington but it’ll be close
If it’s not as much as what we sent to Washington I ain’t want it!
Can’t trade him unless they get one of two things in return:
A) CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, Bobby Barrels, James and and Jarlin Susana back
B) Something outrageous like Acuña from the Braves or Franco from the Rays
James Wood* and
They don’t need those guys, they could get 2/3 dudes that play better than them. It’s not like those guys have done anything.
Get two studs and that maybe more then they gave up. It’s about picking the right guys. All those guys the nats got aren’t going to pan out.
“They don’t need those guys…”
Lol don’t need MacKenzie Gore and James Wood preposterous.
“… they could get 2/3 dudes that play better than them.”
Who exactly is offering 2/3 dudes that play better than them for Soto?
“All those guys the nats got aren’t going to pan out.”
Powerball numbers pls.
Gore has been mid, abrams not all that good, Bobby barrels has been terrible. So that leaves woods which he could be a stud. The pitcher we shall see.
They just have to land the right guys. Will it be as much, it shouldn’t but they could do very well still.
Abrams has been worth 2.1 WAR this year, Gore has been worth 1.8 and both can reasonably be expected to get better in 2024 and beyond. Then Wood is a 20 y/o clone of Aaron Judge. Trading Soto for anything less than those dudes would be HORRIBLE for the Padres!
4 total war…stop the presses.
Yeah. That’s really freaking good. Certainly not “mid.”
Preller made his bed with that trade and now he has to lay in it.
It’s pretty close to mid when it’s divided up.
Abrams is worth 1.2 fwar and has a wrc+ of 95 which is below avg.
Gore is 1.7, that’s 2.9…quit reaching
fWAR is useless. Its fielding metric is based on where the fielders are supposed to be playing rather than where they are actually playing.
Again. Unless Preller gets those dudes back he can’t trade Soto. He just can’t.
@harambe- If the Padres land Jasson Dominguez or Spencer Jones in a package for Juan Soto, I’m sure they’ll be fine. You have no idea if Elijah Wood is going to pan out or be the next Aaron Judge either, he might however be the next Arson Judge though. So stop talking out of you’re blow-whole, guy.
Fwar is considered by most far better than bwar. According to bwar Kim is the best player in the majors. Let’s trade him and get any player in the world because he is the best.
Get out of here with your nonsense.
Have you been watching baseball lately? Abrams is really starting to show that promise.
LOL quit reading metrics websites, Abrams has been developing and it’s not like he’s 30. CJA has the look of a kid that is gonna make it. Washington probably knew he wasn’t gonna be a stud his first full year there, this is a long game play and the indication is CJ is coming into his own.
You do realize players, especially very young ones, actually improve? Quit reading aggregate stats that comprise of his developmental period.
Yeah, I’ve watched him a lot. He has been better lately but he is still a below avg hitter for the year even with his hot streak.
You can post small sample sizes if you want. Maybe he turns the corner and becomes very good but you certainly can’t say that yet.
It’s possible sure…I guess we shall see in a year or two.
“Abrahms is worth 1.2” In your first year that’s actually very good. Examine Mike Trout’s first year(demoted) or Max Scherzer’s first year(not good at all) and also examine the first years of today’s most successful players.
Todays new age analytics formulas can pretty much explain everything as “bad luck”. Baseball analytics is for people that don’t actually watch the games.
Far as I know the actor who played Frodo Baggins was never a prospect in the Padres or Nationals systems.
Who besides you says fWAR is superior? And if it is why does ESPN use bWAR?
And as others have said, the Soto package was all prospects. The oldest player the Nats got in that trade is just 24. No one expected them to IMMEDIATELY come up and perform. Just because they aren’t superstars YET doesn’t make them worthless.
Ask around…I guess you think Kim is better than acuna. Bwar does…literally 95% of people who use war for position player will say fwar is more accurate.
Ask around and learn.
Regardless of what people think the fact of the matter is fWAR uses a defensive metric that is completely useless. Facts over opinions.
Your facts, while 95% of the world who speaks war doesn’t agree with you on which is better overall.
Go learn something and then comeback.
So? 95% of the world thought the Earth was flat once too.
And you probably still do
I’m sure you are correct though. Means Kim is having a better year than acuna, freeman, betts and a bunch of others.
Go look at the fwar list and then look at bwar.
If you think bwar list is more accurate then there is no reason bothering with this conversation.
Neither are perfect but fwar is far more accurate
“Kim is having a better year”….First off, I LOVE Ha Sing Kim and thought the M’s should target him and not Kolten Wong for trade this past off-season. All that being said, any reference system that suggests that Kim is better or “having a better year” than Betts, Acuna or Freeman is suspect and borderline ludicrous. Kim is a very good player, one of the BEST gloves I’ve ever seen, but he’s clearly on a lever rather far below all those other guys. Kim is not a franchise level player, he’s just not.
Exactly, now go look at fwar rankings and tell me they aren’t more accurate
@Simm. How can Abrams be below ave hitter when his OPS+ (as of 7-27-23) is 103?
@Captain-Judge99 When was the actor who played Frodo Baggins or Mark in “The Good Son” ever a prospect in the Padres or Nationals systems?
All those guys the nats got aren’t going to pan out.
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Abrams has probably outplayed Soto over the past 28 days. Soto has a .941 OPS against Abrams .904, but Abrams also has a 11/0 SB/CS over the same period, and plays SS.
Good luck with that
Either that or keep him.
Theirs others teams who haven’t decide if Buyers or Sellers yet and might have somebody better then Soto and Teams might not need an OF,
There won’t be someone better then Soto available
Shohei, Part 2!!!
I do wonder if this would have come out if Shohei Ohtani was still theoretically on the block.
Grease fire
IF you’re gonna trade Soto, it’s better to do it in the off-season. Now Hader and Snell would fetch a good amount of talent…
No it isn’t lmfao. You’re not going to get more for 2 potential postseasons worth of Soto than 1.
Why when there aren’t many stars available. Might be able to the guys willing to give a ton for Ohtani. Just trade them Soto and snell.
Wtf does all that garbled up mess mean?
I’m still holding on to 2023 playoffs but if they are going to do it, Soto to Rangers; Snell and Hader to O’s; Lugo to TB.
That could basically allow Padres to acquire 6, 7
Top 100’s. Some of them 2024 ready and freeing up a lot of cash to pursue Ohtani. My number excludes the top 10 from being included.
You’re not going to see 6 or 7 top-100 out of those 4 guys, even if they did move them all.
Soto is the biggest get since you have him for 14 months.
Snell and Hader are 2 month rentals each.
Lugo only has a player option. As a buying team you treat that as a 2 month rental. His 7.5m option isn’t exactly loaded with surplus value even if he does exercise it.
Between all 4 you’re lucky to get 3 top-100s, and only if you see a few teams generate a bidding war for someone in addition to than Soto.
I think 4 would be possible. You’re likely not getting a top 100 for Lugo, but you could get 2 if Snell and Hader are paired or 1 each if they aren’t. Soto I could see a team giving up 2 for him. Not anywhere close to what SD gave up for him though.
After what gio got you would definitely get at least 4. Not 6 or 7 though.
Then how do you explain match this up with the Giolito return?
Easy. Selling prices represent the HIGHEST offer.
Players aren’t like stocks where you have designated market makers that are obligated to buy at some set value.
Giolito saw a return that took the 2nd best offer, and, escalated to exceed it. The second best offer for Gio will be less, and, it’s that buyer who will pivot. They aren’t likely to increase their offer. Possible, sure but not very likely at all. Most teams have a set value they will part with to secure a rental starter.
You can hope for a bidding war to erupt, but, one thing we’ve seen in recent trade deadlines is a trend towards teams setting a budget in prospect capital they’re willing to part with for a particular need and sticking with spending that, or less.
Maybe but many have called this the best sellers market they have ever seen.
Supply and demand
Yes they would. At least 4 top 100 prospects including some teams top overall prospect for Soto. 1 top 100 prospect each for Snell and Hader plus other players in the packages. Look at the White Sox trade. It’s a seller’s market.
That being said, the Padres are not moving Soto. They are too thin in the OF and contending teams are not giving up the young, controllable major league players the Padres will want in return.
Plus, Seidler committed (to fanbase) to win including in 2024, this message was heard and believed by the fanbase that has sold out almost every home game when he traded for Soto last year.. A trade now that involves Soto does not help them get better in 2024, and if Seidler has shown one thing, it’s that he backs up his commitment. Padre fans are very fortunate in this regard.
Probably more like 4…1 snell, 1 hader, 2 Soto. Maybe a top 150 for lugo, not sure of his market but he has been better then gio…
Yeah my thought on Lugo – if Gio got that return then why not a 50-75 guy for someone that has shown much better?
More like 6-7 top 100 prospects plus other players. Lugo Has an interesting contract that could make him a FA at the end of the season, so it would be interesting to see, but take a look at what the White Sox got for a rental starter with similar performance this season.
Pointless discussion really, as they’re not trading Soto in 2023. With Angels brass announcement a few days ago, media doesn’t have Ohtani to rumorize, so they jumped immediately to Soto as next on fabricated headlines. MSN.com = MLB.com
Ohtani wants the hell out of nasty California, like millions more.
Too many MLB teams are located in those types of states.
You are correct. Texas anyone?
Texas sucks. Have you been there? I have
‘Types of states’? You mean united with every other state?
Wrong. But thanks for spreading haterade on the state.
You don’t seem to understand that the top offense in MLB that scored like the 1927 Yankees for the first 60 games probably would go for Snell and Hader instead of Soto. They need pitching badly, particularly bullpen help. Offense is a low priority, even in the outfield. I would love to get Soto too, but I would strongly prefer the other 2 and maybe another reliever or 2.
When is a story not a story?
Maybe when it’s Trevor Story
when it’s a rumor?
Teams willing to part with their best prospects for Ohtani suddenly have a new place to turn
I knew the Padres wouldn’t hold onto Soto. I mean, the guy can’t even play shortstop.
Does “signaled a willingness” simply mean “My horoscope picked the Padres as the Team of the Day to lie about today” in Heyman-ese?
Take it easy man! Heyman was 100% correct about the Giants signing Arson Judge(Aaron’s twin brother) in the off-season.
It’s EXACTLY what it means.
Soto and Bell trade last year wasnt the biggest blockbuster ever, there are several others that top that one.
Roberto Alomar and Joe Carter for Fred McGriff and Tony Fernadez always comes to mind.
“…biggest deadline blockbuster ever…”
The Padres & Blue Jay’s blockbuster happened in December.
He didn’t put “deadline”. You did.
“trade last year wasnt the biggest blockbuster ever”
He thinks the McGriff/Alomar trade was bigger. I agree.
Well if you go up and look it says deadline now and that’s what I read so whatever.
A year ago Soto was worth a top 15 prospect, two top 60 prospects and a former top prospect pitcher with upside. I’d argue Soto’s trade value now isn’t a whole lot less considering you’re getting him for this pennant race and all next year. A draft pick if/when he leaves. Let’s hear your proposals
Billy – I was just saying above that I thought they could get 6 or 7 (exclude top 10) in total for Soto, Snell Hader and Lugo.
I was thinking Soto had 3 – maybe 1 15-25; 1 35-50 and 1 75-85.
Snell good for a 50 and a 90.
Hader 60 ish
Lugo – 75 ish – better than Gio this year and well, that set a bar.
A year ago Soto and Bell was worth two former top 10 prospects in Abrams and Gore, and two top 100 prospects, plus a high ceiling player outside the top 100 and a MLB player.
His value is not much less. 4 top 100 prospects including whatever the top prospect is in the system and several of the players being MLB ready.
It’s a year less control, he will be worth proportionally less, I guess what counts as a whole lot is subjective, but I’d think his trade value is significantly less, since the padres ate up his cheapest team control in that year they had him on top of it just being less control of the player.
Probably pointless discussion, as they’re not trading Soto in 2023. Everyone listens to offers, so I guess Heyman isn’t totally bull shucking. With Ohtani rumors shelved, the media acquiesced to the next juicy plum so we’ll now get a dose of Soto rumors, improbable as they may be.
SD should go for it. Let’s see a deal that has Soto for Ohtani.
What makes you so sure Ohtani wants to resign in San Diego?
Cap, I’m a fellow Yankee fan. Would you trade Dominguez, Pereira, and Warren for Soto?
I don’t think so but add jones and maybe we are cooking.
@Perksy- Most definitely, but it would take a much bigger haul to land Mr. Soto though. Throw in Oswald Peraza, Luis Gil, Randy Vasquez and Clarke Schmidt/Domingo German. Something like that, and the Padres just might do it.
@Simm- adding Spencer Jones or a Roderick Arias(hand surgery) is probably unnecessary. Dominguez is a must though in any Soto trade. Dominguez, Peraza, Pereira, Sweeney, German/Schmidt, Vasquez and Casey Hampton, probably gets it done. If Hader is included Will Warren and Luis Gil likely go back to SD also.
Wow, so aside from multiple top prospects they would be looking for quantity as well. I know they want to recover some of what they lost in the deal with Washington last year, I just figured since he has one less year left maybe it wouldn’t cost as much as they gave up a year ago.
Why would the Padres do that when they can sign Ohtani in the offseason and keep Soto?
Padres aren’t signing Ohtani
I hope the Padres sell. It would hurt at first no doubt but the current group just isn’t playing well as a team. Padres could accrue lots of hungry young talent that way. I think the current Padres are too heavy on ego. and light on team. Something is wrong with this group…obviously. SELL
The problem is that their team is stars and scrubs. This is what hurts a lot of teams that push their chips in too quickly. Padres trade away a lot of talent and generally fail to develop the talent they keep…it leads to quite a few black holes on the MLB roster.
The Padres are a better team, but it’s similar to the problem the White Sox have.
winning in baseball is hard. Kim, Soto and Tatis have been good. But Manny (until recently) and Bogey haven’t been great as expected. AS 2Bman Cronenworth seems to be in major decline after team committed to him long-term and moved him to 1B. Nola fell off the planet and Cruz and Carp signings were disastrous. Then the bullpen, thin and injury-riddled as it was, imploded and lost about 10 games they normally would not. Then there is the San Diego Sports Curse, for those who know what I’m talking about. The Curse creates freakish and funky happenings whereby games are lost in the most improbable and unlikely ways to San Diego sports teams more than any other cities’ teams, and this has been statistically proven and published. This season the Padres are 0-9 in extra innings, and have the 3rd worst record in MLB history by a plus .450 team in games decided by 2 runs or less. Uncanny (and sometimes amusing) how many ways they’ve found to lose the close ones.
So now they sit just below 500 as a team, looking for a winning streak that changes the course of the season. I have to believe they will be good next year given the talent and picking up a few prospects this year by dealing Snell and Hader probably won’t impact the team much or at all in 2024. So Padre fans probably shouldn’t expect much “selling” in the next few days, and if anything, I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t stay on course and keep Hader and Snell, and add a DH type hitter, in hopes of getting back into the WC hunt, somehow.
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At what point will people finally admit he’s no Ted Williams.
35 deg 31.845 minutes North, 115 deg 40.726 deg West, at about 2,863 ft elevation
XD
Well done, sir.
Haha. I’m heading there to get a head count.
This is either click bait which is most likely or if the padres are listening to offers I’d expect this report to gain some momentum. Otherwise I’d assume the padres will squash it pretty quickly with Soto.
I don’t think they want it known if they are listening because that wouldn’t help any possible ideas of extending him. Remember this is liar time of the year.
This close to free agency, they’re not extending him unless they offer an instantly regrettable deal. If they offer that, I don’t think any rumors are going to stop him from signing it.
I’ve never found a Soto extension to be all that bloody likely in the first place but tons of good players have signed extensions when they were closer to free agency than Soto is now.
Soto for Ohtani. Who says no?
Padres. The extra year of control matters. Like a lot.
The saner team (the Padres) – 2 months vs 8 months of playing time
I’d rather hold onto Kim. Very good all-around player. But I agree with the rest of your moves. SELL!!!
With the Padres opening 2024 in South Korea I think that means there is a near zero chance they trade Kim before then.
I’m a Dodger fan but damn. I’d be fuming if we traded away some good prospects for a Primadonna bust like Soto.
Racist
Yeah dude has a 1000 OPS over his last 74 games (335 PA) hitting 291/.442/.558… hence why he is top 10ish in WAR in all of baseball for the season.
The Padres have been a major disappointment this season but Soto isn’t the reason why and he definitely isn’t a “bust”.
Padres just plain suck
I don’t think bust is the right word, but he’s definitely been disappointing since coming to SD if you expected him to be at or above the 2021 performance.
He’s still been a very good player, but not the 7 fwar type guy. Agree that he’s not the problem, though.
Imagine trading away your farm for a guy like Chris Taylor. That’s what the padres essentially did
Crazy they keep listing this team as a buyer. Give it up guys. You’re not going to jump that many teams.
I think they want to buy and hold out hope until they aren’t buyers. Prob sat or Sunday they will become sellers unless they sweep the rangers.
So they are playing both sides. Also perhaps they are buyers until someone give them an offer they can’t refuse.
@harambe- Nah man, he just has something you don’t have.
Kim has one more year left. The padres also may decline their options on wacha.
I wonder when the OWNER is going to dismantle that front office what a disaster
The Padres have sold out 48 times this season and have so many people on the waiting list for next season’s season tickets that they are pretty much already sold out too. Why would they consider him a failure?
Because they can’t win a world series if they’re not good enough to even GET to one
@FireFarhan. They are trying, and the point websoul made is a good one. The Padres have never had an owner willing to commit 100% to winning, and his front office appeals to him. The fanbase has responded by pouring their disposable income into the team. The mere hope for a contender has transformed the fanbase, and frankly made a lot of people a lot of money.
They went to the pennant series last year. The WS-or-bust mentality is odd, given the odds of actually winning a WS (less than 4% of teams win it every year). If they don’t make the playoffs this year (and that’s looking likely) they probably will next year, and beyond. So no reason to blow things up if you’re Seidler!
@Brew88 I understand what you’re saying. You’ve listed a few of the reasons the Padres team has been perpetually made fun of. If I was a Padres fan, I’d be excited too, not gonna lie. But I don’t see them making the playoffs this year, time will tell next year… But I think the clubhouse chemistry isn’t there to do it
The chemistry seemed good actually, fun group of dudes many of whom hang out together/train together, but as they continued to lose games I wouldn’t expect it to be bliss in there. They just haven’t played well, nearly every hitter except Kim has performed below their career norms. But yeah, time will tell if they ever coalesce the talent into winning.
I wonder if SD trades Soto and Hader with another player for Ohtani….that would be a bold move
No chance
Why would the Padres trade Soto plus MORE for Ohtani the rental???? It would be the Angels adding more to a Soto for Ohtani trade not the other way around.
Like maybe Snell
Who would want somebody that looks like he wants to charge the mound on every pitch. He is also a clubhouse cancer from what I hear. No thanks
I’ve literally never heard a single player say anything bad about him. Manny even said when he signed his deal that he hopes Soto is next.
It’s not the chemistry that’s killed them it’s the slow start with their offense. Followed by the pen taking a crap.
They just haven’t had all parts get rolling at the same time.
Plus debts has killed them.
The Brewers need to make a Soto trade happen. Give up prospects now and get prospects back this winter. Clock ticking on Burnes time in Milwaukee
It’s the chemistry that’s killed them
The lunacy never stops
Any team that trades for whack job Snell deserves what they get
cleveland_spider- I hear you, I wouldn’t want that Country Farm Boy anywhere near the Yankees, he wouldn’t be able to handle all the pressure in New York. I definitely see a Sonny Gray.
Yeah, you gotta watch out for those Country Farm Boys from Seattle. They be trying to run you down with their sporty sneakers driving their fancy german sedans. Lord help us all.
@padrepapi- I’m not saying Snell isn’t a good pitcher, Sonny Gray is a good pitcher also, but every time he pitched in New York, he was like a deer in headlights, some guys just can’t pitch here. Ed Whitson, Javier Vasquez, Jeff Weaver, Kevin Brown, and Jose Contreras all come to mind. It doesn’t mean their not good pitchers, they just couldn’t pitch in NY, that’s all really.
geez, do facts matter at all?
Padres are cutting payroll because that great local TV deal they thought they had went away and they were left holding the bag.
I wonder if any franchises will go under because baseball got in bed with Bally’s and they can’t pay the bills.
That’s just not true. Clearly the padres don’t want to trade anyone. They also wouldn’t if they were playing better. When you have long shot at making the playoffs the right thing to do is looking at trading players.
They still haven’t traded anyone and may not trade anyone. There has been as many reports of them buying as selling. They won’t move Soto to get rid of payroll. Even in this report is said they would require a huge return. This isn’t the padres of 10 years ago.
The Padres are making more money since Bally’s SD went welly up. They increased their market by more than 1 million homes that can view them now and have sold nearly a quarter million single team packages on MLB.tv at 19.99 per month so people can view them locally of which the Padres get 80%.
Baseball is hoping beyond hope that DSG can’t pay the bills to more teams and the broadcast rights revert to the teams.
Considering they have already sold out 45 home games this season that seems a bit of a hyperbolic take.
48 sell out crowds this season.
They have so many people on the waiting list for season tickets that they are guaranteed to sell out season tickets again next season and they haven’t even opened them up for sale yet.
The ownership group is not jeopardizing that by moving Soto now.
Teams don’t make the majority of their revenue from ticket sales.
maybe they’ll trade him to the Rangers since they will be in town. it could be a welcome to San Diego gift.
We know from actual insiders like Lin and Acee, writers that are inside the Padres clubhouse and offices daily, that the Padres have rebuffed all inquiries so far about Snell and Hader who are FA at the end of the season. So, what does that tell you about a rumor regarding trading Soto who is under team control through the end of 2024?
What is says is that Heyman is trying to keep his name in the news and will tell any story that will keep clicks coming regardless of its veracity.
Soto is a top 3 hitter by OPS+, top 6 by wRC+, and top 12 overall player by WAR. That is exactly the kind of player a winning team needs to anchor the lineup. Unless by some miracle a team in contention would be willing to offer multiple current MLB players with multiple years of control that can immediately offer the same production, moving him is detrimental to winning.
Soto is going nowhere.
That didn’t age well. Now it’s reported that they’re listening on Snell and Hader and are eager to dump soso
Did I ever tell you guys about the time I ran into Juan Soto at a grocery store in Coronado? I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to bother him and ask him about his struggles after being traded to the Padres or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the Milky Ways and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Wow, he sounds like a real piece of work!
Sometimes you feel like a nut
Sometimes you’d rather bust one
I just don’t get the hype on Soto. I recall he was touted as a “once in a generation” player. Yeah, good OPS, WAR, etc., but he’s not feared in any way. He walks a lot. Yippee. Boring player who’s hitting .262 Wow. What am I missing?
Everything? Maybe it’s time for you to learn what those stats mean.
@TellItGoodbye well said
The Padres are not moving Soto. After all the sold out games with the goal of winning the World Series? It’s not over yet. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
The world series lmao
Considering the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor. Ha!
Splendid – that was a reference to a famous line by brother Bluto in Animal House. A must see National Lampoon movie from the 70’s.
The San Diego Padres. LOL!
Y’all are salty as hell tonight! Listen…as a Padre fan I may be delusional at times but I am no idiot. That comment is way to salty, y’all need to simma down!
As far as Soto, homeboy has a big ole’ house on Coronado he’s not leaving that place this summer. Texas is the worst, New York is awful and Baltimore…are you flipping kidding me! When I say the worst and awful, I mean weather wise. Any of those 3 places in August are like, ugh! No, none of your beaches even come close!
Is this season a complete train smash for the Padres? Yes, that was true before the AllStarr break. This team seemed to never have that spark or charisma, even back in Spring Training. Not sure why the need to sign Xander, Kim was and is better! Should’ve given Jake’s contract to Kim, but hindsight is worth, shhh…don’t let AJ know!
Not sure how Preller still has a job.
I would have defended Preller up until a couple months ago. He seemed aggressive and the good type of aggressive. A GM with the owners checkbook and a green light to use it. So he didn’t hesitate, he wrote massive checks and then reality came and called the note on each of the checks he wrote. Not all of those checks had sufficient funds and they bounced. He apparently did put overdraft protection on the Padres account, because this team is broke!
Nice win against Texas tonight! Sadly, they got all their hits/runs out tonight and it’ll be crap for the next two games. Consistency is a word that must not be taught in the clubhouse or it’s like a fart in church, to be avoided at all cost!
Yes. Sorry about that I did not make the connection to Animal House. Great movie! Thought you might be young and dumb and just not know like most people now.