The Marlins have interest in Nationals third baseman Jeimer Candelario, as USA Today’s Bob Nightengale writes that Miami views “Candelario as a perfect fit.” With a cumulative -0.9 bWAR posted by Marlins third basemen this season, no team has received less from the hot corner than the Fish, as Jean Segura’s resurgence over the last few weeks haven’t been enough to erase his very rough performance over the first three months. Segura could move into a utility role in the event of a Candelario trade, as Luis Arraez is a lineup fixture at second base, Jorge Soler is primarily a DH, and the hot-hitting Garrett Cooper is the primary first baseman.
Candelario is one of the more obvious trade candidates available heading into the deadline, as the Nationals are out of the race and Candelario will be a free agent after the season. After a poor 2022 season with the Tigers, Candelario has bounced back nicely to hit .254/.333/.474 with 15 homers over 390 plate appearances with Washington. He is owed roughly $1.8MM in remaining salary this season, which is a modest sum anyway but shouldn’t be a problem for the Marlins — owner Bruce Sherman has promised financial “resources” for deadline additions. Of course, Sherman’s statement came before Miami suffered through an eight-game losing streak out of the All-Star break, but the Fish got back into the win column with today’s 3-2 win over the Rockies.
More from around the NL East…
- Speaking of possible inter-division trades, Bob Nightengale also writes that the Phillies “would love to land” Mets outfielder Tommy Pham. The Phillies are known to be looking for right-handed hitting, with an outfielder as an ideal fit if Bryce Harper is able to settle in as a first baseman. Pham has an excellent .272/.356/.475 slash line and nine home runs over 250 PA with New York this season, making him an interesting rental target for several teams. The 46-52 Mets appear to be poised to be deadline sellers in some fashion, and pending free agents like Pham are the likeliest players to be moved as the Amazins look to reload for 2024. However, Pham has missed New York’s last few games with a groin injury, though he is expected to be back in action Tuesday.
- Along these same lines, Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times figures the Rays will check in on Mets reliever David Robertson. Around $3.6MM remains on the one-year, $10MM free agent deal Robertson signed with New York last winter, and the veteran righty is a known quantity in Tampa after pitching for the Rays in 2021.
- Seranthony Dominguez is set to throw a second rehab outing today, as the Phillies right-hander might be nearing a return from the 15-day injured list. According to Alex Coffey of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Dominguez might be activated as early as Monday if he is feeling good after today’s Triple-A game. Dominguez has been sidelined since mid-June due to an oblique strain. Coffey also provided an update on Rhys Hoskins, who will be traveling with the Phils on road trips for the remainder of the season as something of a mental release from the grind of his rehab. Hoskins tore his left ACL during Spring Training and is expected to miss the entire season, but the first baseman is still hoping for a possible return if the Phillies make the playoffs.
If it doesn’t work out with Candelario the Marlins can have DeJong. No return needed salary relief will be sufficient
Perez being back in the minors is shameful and blatant service time manipulation. And isn’t that when their season went south right after they demoted him?
Skip Schumacher is cool but I don’t care for the Marlins much.
You can keep Dejong.
Goldy and Arenardo are cool but I don’t care for the Cards much.
Busch Stadium is cool, but you BOTH can drink bud light.. Since nobody cares for it
Tommy Pham has had a career that never should have existed, so much credit to him. 100 home runs and doubles later didn’t get a full year in the majors till 29… pretty amazing story
Wow I found a Marlins fan how about that.
DeJong won’t cost anything but money.
Ok you convinced me. This isn’t a deal that makes sense for the Marlins. They don’t like to spend money
Exactly!
Besides Fish prefer to continue to win big in trades vs the Cards.
Hey at least you are winning something
@King of Cards
Two championships in a short time seems like winning something to me.
And as far as DeJong, it isn’t that the Marlins don’t like spending money, it’s that they don’t like spending money on garbage, especially after they’ve done that with Garcia and Segura (and maybe Cueto).
Who do you think the Marlins are with thinking they will spend money for garbage? The Mets?
The Marlins clearly need offense. Not a guy you’re trying to unload that hasn’t hit for league average since 2018. DeJong does nothing to help them.
The Yankees have some interest in the Candy-man, wondering what the Nats would be looking at as far as prospects? Thinking one in 5-10 and one in the 15-20. Doubt they get more then that. We’ll see.
DeJong is having a 2.5 win season in 2023. He’s steady Eddy in the field he’s surprisingly good on defense. Not flashy but he almost never screws up a routine play. He’s a good player and the Marlins shortstop situation has been a revolving door for a while. He makes sense for them.
A majority of his value is in defense. The Marlins need offense. His WAR is irrelevant in this case.
The Marlins can use a shortstop regardless of how we provides value as long as he does. Shortstop is a problem for the Marlins has been all year. And he’s OK offensively. Slightly under league average and I mean slightly. For a shortstop that’s solid.
Marlins could really use Herrera but he won’t come cheap.
Alonso for Alcantara and 2 more pitchers.
Smart move would be for NYM to deal. Some years it just seems like it’s not working and this is it. Reminds me of a less seismic version of that early 90s roster that had Saberhagen, Gooden Bonilla, Howard Johnson, Eddie Murray, Vince Coleman. Rotisserie team and nothing seemed to go right
Great comp! I hadn’t thought of that head scratcher of a squad in ages.
Baseball is so funny. Some years an entire team has bad juju. Sometimes, everyone is succeeding individually, but the hits never seem to come at the right time.
I guess the best consolation from this Metty year is that they didn’t get stuck with Correa.
I wouldn’t say it’s a great comp. This team seems more like the 2002 Mets. The reason is because, just like that 2002 team, the glaring obvious thing was the age of the stars who had very long resumes on the back of the card.
This isn’t an odd year for the Mets since so many of us pointed out that it would be interesting to see if age didn’t affect them. Clearly it has. In the last two years, they signed a bunch of guys who are far into the wrong side of 30 – signing some of these guys over teams who refused to give the amount of years the players wanted, while the Mets did.
This season for the Mets isn’t “bad juju” or just “not working”, and it was never a “head scratcher”. It has simply been what everyone questioned all along, and we’ve seen in the history of mankind since life formed in the universe, that Father Time beats everyone. Mets spent all that money, committed more years than they should have, and didn’t realize that they also brought in Father Time to hang out in their dugout. So many of us called it. Anyone who didn’t see the possibility of this were just living in denial or a delusion. Just go back and see the many threads about the Mets roster over the last year. You’ll see how many of us pointed out the age thing. You’ll even find many articles all over many platforms that questioned the ages of the Mets coming back to haunt them. But everyone chose to listen to the Mets hype machine and the homers who root for them in the media, and NY and Boston loving E!SPN and FOX Sports.
Father Time beats everyone. He doesn’t care how loud fans squawk or how many times homer or biased media tries to pretend that he doesn’t exist in order to push their click-bait “news” coverage.
The biggest problem is not scherzer and verlander eve though they are underachieving clearly, but it is Alonso not batting his weight, Lindor and marte also not hitting for average and McNeil batting 250. Also they do not have a real dh and continue to play Vogelbach who is awful. Their bullpen has also been bad and diaz injury was horrible. These guys other than scherzer and verlander are in their primes and not old. So the age argument is silly. Only one guy has an ops above 800(nimmo). They have just not played well bottom line.
They have 21 year old stud catcher and 21 year old starting 3b.
No one should be surprised that a 36 yo Eddie Murray underperformed, or that Mets squads playing guys out of position (HoJo in CF?!!), using 37 yo Willie Randolph as their primary 2Bman and Dick Schofield as their SS in 1992, a pointless Vince Coleman who was never particularly valuable even at his peak, lots of mediocre starting pitching and lots of lousy relievers never won anything.
Some of the worst-built teams ever.. Those Mets actually made Coleman one of the highest paid players in baseball. Astounding. They actually thought he was a star when they got him.
He may not be “valuable” but I’d love to see a few more Vince Colemans in the league.
Mackey Sasser got Vince Coleman paid.
I believe the Perez demotion was a means of workload control. He hasn’t thrown much in his young career.
You can’t control workload while being on the big league roster?
Service time manipulation dude. As blatant as it gets.
How’s a team suppose to control a guys innings while on a big league roster while in a pennant race? Play a man down for weeks at a time. Just shouldn’t bring these guys up until they’re ready to pitch a full season. Then people will cry about that. Then cry when you over work them. No winning
Put them in the bullpen?
Are you liking your own comments?
This isnt the first time in baseball history a team had to manage innings for a pitcher down the stretch.
You put the guy in the bullpen. That’s how it works. You don’t send him to AAA so he can stop earning service time.
This is shady as it gets.
Put him in the bullpen, just like that?
“Hey Eury, we know that you’re used to having a bunch of time before a game to get your arm loosened up and get ready, but we’re now going to change all that at the drop of a hat to suit some jackass on mlbtr who cant stop crying about service time in every comment section instead of using logic and common sense”
Btw there Columbo, Eury still hasnt entered a game since being sent back down to the minors. So they actually are managing his workload. Id assume they still have him on his regular throwing regimen, but hes not pitching. Which they wouldnt be able to do with him on the active roster.
No team in the history of baseball has ever handled a pitcher the way Marlins have with Eury Perez.
Thats great and all, but considering this is a new age where rarely is a pitcher allowed to go more than 6 or 7 innings, you cant judge anything based on the so called history of baseball as there are always new precedents being set.
Yep new precedents alright. New ways to manipulate service time.
King of Cards
You wonder why so many Cardinals pitchers struggle even though they have great stuff? It is because teams like the Cardinals try to manage people’s innings by putting them in the bullpen. Not everyone is built like Wainwright or Smoltz when the Braves moved him to the bullpen.
Most of these guys are creatures of habit. The routine for a starting pitcher is completely different then that if a relief pitcher. So when you have a star caliber pitcher like Perez, you learn to nurture it and rest him. Yes that may mean you send him back down to AAA to monitor his innings. This protects the pitcher.
If you don’t believe me just look at the track record with the Cardinals and how the handled Shelby Miller and Carlos Martinez. Both had terrific stuff but the Cardinals kept moving them back and forth between the rotation and bullpen and messed with their heads, especially Martinez.
You put the guy in the bullpen.
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LOL! No way you put the best SP prospect in baseball in the BP.
FWIW, using the standard +30 IPs for young kids, given that he had about 77 IPs the past two years, his projection should be about 107 this year. He is already at 84. That leaves you with maybe (5) 5-inning starts. I’d be looking at him as a September call-up.
Look at the Braves recent broken pitchers. Fried has been hurt most of 2023. Sykora went from really good to really bad.
It’s not unique to the Cardinals knucklehead
The difference between the 2 is Fried and Soroka got hurt. The Cardinals screwed up Miller and Martinez by moving them back and forth between starter and the rotation.
Also Soroka was never shuttled back and forth between the rotation and bp. The Marlins are doing the proper thing with Perez. Giving him extra time off and monitoring his innings without throwing off the way he needs to prepare by moving him to the bullpen.
The Cardinals screwed up Miller so bad that he had a great season for you and got you Dansby Swanson. Come on dude.
Martinez is a small guy it was always a question if he could hold up over a full season and with a full workload. And Martinez was a moron he was hanging out with strippers and doing stupid stuff in his free time. He was sued because he gave a girl an STD or something like that. He was an idiot. Just like Ozuna and Garcia and Arozarena. Cardinals don’t like idiots.
Yea I’m liking them 9 times. Shaking my hand.
Service time manipulation dude. As blatant as it gets.
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Explain. He was already well past Super-2 status, so leaving him on the major league roster had no downside service risk. And he is easily the youngest player in baseball.
Unless they leave him down in 2024, then thee is -0- service time manipulation.
Dude they are avoiding super 2 by sending him down when they did. That’s EXACTLY why the did it. Look it up. Do the math. I did.
Did the math, heh? Then im sure you wouldnt mind telling the exact date they are going to call him up to avoid super two status.
It’s not an exact date it changes year to year. You call a guy up in late July you will avoid super 2.
Wait until after the 2023 season is over. Check how many days of service time Perez has accumulated and then check when the super 2 cutoff is. You will see for yourself what I am saying is true. It’s not a coincidence because I am telling you how it’s going to play out before it does.
Yeah ok. You just said do the math you did. Lmao.
Dude wait and see. It’s all going to magically work out in the Marlins favor. He’s going to barely miss the super 2 cutoff just wait and see.
I love how a random guy on the internet without access to as much info on the player knows exactly how to keep a stud pitcher healthy longterm. You should apply for a job at mlb team because for 20 years teams have been trying to figure this issue out.
Never in the history of baseball has a pitcher been handled the way Perez has this year.
So who’s the revolutionary thinker here me or the Marlins?
If you haven’t noticed baseball has changed for a bit in the last couple years. This year for example they’re using a pitch clock. It’s actually been a great change despite a vocal minority hating it and saying they would never watch again. It’s increased viewership by like 7 or 8%.
“Do the math, I did”
Youre a clown. Why should i wait until after the season to see how much time he accumulated, you already know. Based on your amazing calculations, which i can only assume are as good as your scouting reports, you should simply be able to figure out the approximate or even exact date of his promotion based on the 5 year average is 2 years 124 days.
If they actually were still letting him pitch at double A that would lend credence to your argument, but the fact he actually hasnt pitched since his July 7th demotion shows that they are in fact limiting his workload. If you’re implication that they dont actually care about workload had any merit, they wouldve just kept him in the minors till July and brought him up for the rest of the season, but they did not. Cry elsewhere.
Hes also a pro scout, dont you know?
Dude the problem didn’t show up out of nowhere with his innings. They could see it coming.
Much in the same way they surely wouldve seen the super two status coming and held him down till July to avoid it in the first place.
Yes I might have done that.
Almost all teams do it. Just admit it.
reading “the phillies would love to acquire mets outfielder tommy pham” i immediately start crying laughing
Same here except there was no laughing i was crying because im a phillies fan and would rather make no move than make a move for Tommy Pham who i have the lowest opinion of as a player and teammate.
Phillies seem to have a certain locker room heirarchy (far from perfect…and potentially a quiet one) and unless you are adding a true top tier talent Pham and his long history of being, well, not agreeable, would seem an odd fit…
Agree. He’d be a good addition for the Phillies or any other contender for the stretch run
Enough? Pham is 35 and hasn’t had a good year since 2019. He’s also a jerk. His critics are very much still here and NOT silent.
Ageed with Darkside. Pham’s brief success in 2023, is just a small sample size. He isn’t a great talent or a decent human.
Hes a bad baseball player most importantly
We’re talking about a rental for the stretch run here. He’s not bad at all.
Gotta be a reason whey Pham keeps getting moved from one team to another, But if he can play, I’ll take him on my Phillies. They need a RH bat in LF.
I don’t hold grudges. I’m saying he isn’t a great career ballplayer and he has quite a few incidents on his record. You can ignore one of these things if the other wasn’t true.
A lot of trash talk about Pham but his 129 OPS+ is better than literally anyone on the Phillies roster with a minimum of 60 PAs by a substantial margin.
Right, but it’s a small sample size, and there’s no reason to think he can realistically sustain that, let alone do it in the playoffs.
No one is being a loser. Pham is 35 years old. What he did in a brief stretch with the Mets is just a blip. He has a proven track record of failure and mediocrity. He’s having a great season, but it’s a very limited stretch. If he was a great player career wise, this would be a different conversation.
What are his stats over the last 5 years? There’s no trolling here. I’m sorry if you’re related to Tommy Pham. He hasn’t been a player worth trading good prospects for in quite some time outside of this brief stretch. If the Phillies could get him for nothing, then yeah sure take a chance.
There are no lies being told. Look at his recent stats as I pointed out. Let’s just take batting average as an example. .211 in 2020. .229 in 2021. .234 in 2022. These numbers seem more of the norm than the .270 he’s hitting this year. Nothing special IMO. He’s having a special little run with Mets, but I don’t see that being realistic to sustain for a 35 year-old veteran. He was very good back in 2015, but those days are long gone.
I trust Dave Dombrowski to make the right moves more than any other active GM. If he gets Pham, then we should probably believe it’ll positively contribute to a run at the title.
I didn’t know he was a jerk…seemed pleasant enough to my son at spring training and signed his ball, more than I can say for a lot of the players. I’d take him if I were a Phillies fan
I hope that’s not why everyone says what they are saying but I am glad he is on the Mets
I think Deborah Winger’s on here too
Oh good the rah rah cheerleader with all the awesome handshakes is gonna make
Road trips. Make sure he forgets the bus one of these trips so he doesn’t have to make any more. He is such a clown. Rhys Hoskins go away
I would wager Hoskins decided to go on road trips because he needs an excuse to be away from a toxic relationship at home.
Takes a clown to know a clown
Who pissed in your Cheerios?
Hoskins just seems like an awesome teammate to me. Your assessment is way off base. He wants to be there with the team instead of just collecting a check.
‘However, Pham has missed New York’s last few games with a groin injury, though he is expected to be back in action Tuesday.’
He got another one of those ‘stripper initiated’ herpes flare ups I see.
Sounds like something a racist would say to deflect attention from themself actually. You do you I guess.
The guy slapped a teammate over fantasy football. He has well documented personality issues. He was also stabbed in the parking lot of a strip club.
He has a reputation of frequenting said clubs as well. I’d say getting herpes from a stripper would be very in brand for him.
Maybe learn to take a joke instead of being a hyper literal, race bating douchebag?
Hoskins, hopes for a return WHEN the Phillies clinch a WC berth….
Had to fix that….
The Phillies need to get candelario before Miami grab it move bohm to first Harper DH
Harper is playing a good first base and Bohm should be even better at third the more he is consistently playing there. LF, a better bench, and another starting pitcher are far more important upgrades than third base.
What do you do with Schwarber? You can’t play him in the field anymore
Full time DH in Philly or with another team. Dombro won’t trade him, but his 20+ homers is a small consolation in exchange for lousy defense, tons of Ks and a BA that makes Mario Mendoza look like Rod Carew.
Jed Hoyer go get Robertson back and lengthen that pen, also see if we can get Scherzer for cheap it’s my birthday Thursday make it happen
I believe Jed will be selling. The plan was to sign and flip Bellinger at the deadline . Not extending Stroman seems to show Jed’s intent, which will set the rebuild back a year or more
Lack of development set the rebuild back, trading Bellinger and Stroman is a result of that.
Candy has been decent all year for Nats, can’t believe Harris didn’t offer him a contract last winter, instead we’ve had Ofer Maton. He’s good for 0for 4 about every game
The Phillies potentially “lov[ing] to land” Tommy Pham is the low point of the season.
Pham hit pretty well after going to Boston last season but should not be at the top of anyone’s list that has eyes on the postseason
Pham’s OPS+ with Boston was 84.
Pham’s OPS+ with the Mets is 129. The current best OPS+ on the Phillies is Marsh at 121, bolstered by his 190 OPS+ in April. He’d be a solid addition.
And his OPS+ over the past 3 seasons prior was 92, which only clears two Phillies starters this season, and Pache easily clears that as well. He’s, at best, the 8th best hitter on this team, and unless they can find the will to bench Turner (would be 9th), he has no spot in the lineup if Pache comes back.
Look at Pham’s career as opposed to a brief stretch where he’s playing out of his mind.
I believe the overriding factor in pursuing Pham is that he’ll be very cheap to acquire. Other outfielders supposedly on the trading block like O’Neill, Carlson, Senzel, and Bryant would cost more.
I’d bet real money that Nightingale just made that up. But he is a good fit. I liked the RS trading for him, but he was pretty bad.
As a Mets fan why would they help out the Phillies lol, unless they had something really good to trade back
He’s a rental who will be a free agent at the end of this year, and the Mets have almost zero chance of making the playoffs. If it was someone with years of control then yeah, they wouldn’t trade him within the division. But for a rental, there’s no reason not to if the Phillies offer them something good in return.
As for *what* the Phillies would offer them, idk.
another bum like they gave the Mets for Espinosa
The general thinking is, this season is over for the Mets. Who cares if you help out the Phillies in 2023, if you’re getting a return that could help in 2024 and beyond? It won’t be a huge return for Pham, but at the same time, Pham is simply a rental, now a player that will haunt the Mets for years to come.
*now=not
It’s nice to see stories about the Marlins actually interested in trading FOR players instead of trading AWAY players
Would love to see the Diamondbacks trade for Robertson.
D-Backs can have Robertson but what do the D-Backs have to give us
Ok I guess some of us don’t know how the trade deadline works. Teams that are trading players who are on expiring contracts that are playing well are not just going to give them away. Your team that is playing well wants them. It just goes to how much the team is willing to give up.
Any reason why the Marlins should actually be buyers?? Before todays walk off (when the bullpen blew another late lead) they had lost 8 straight games and 10 of their last 12. The Phillies are in a playoff spot now, but when they started the home Cardinals series none of the Cards/Phillies/Rockies were in playoff position and those were 4 of the next 5 series before the Rays series. As said, they had lost 8 straight, getting swept by the Cards, who at the time had the 3rd worst record in the NL, and a home series loss to the Rockies who are the worst in the NL. The bullpen also blew late leads in 3 of the 8 games. Unless it’s a minimal prospect for a minimal return (like Alec Burleson for example) the Marlins should swap Soler for example instead of trying to add a corner OF bat. It was a nice run, but I think they are done.
With Candelario, the Marlins need to put some wins together to make sure they are still in the hunt at the deadline. Also, they still need a Clsoer since Puk seems to have hit a rough patch or reached the end of the line in the role. We don’t need to be going back to career middle relievers like Tanner Scott or Dylan Floro in the hopes that they can secure the role that they failed to do previously.
Puk’s been a Midsummer Nightmare.
IRT the Phillies, Duvall would make a perfect addition. But I don’t see any good matchups. Sosa is too big an ask, and the Philly BP is too inconsistent to part with Strahm.
I’ve seen some suggesting a trade involving Song’s rights for Muzziotti and Brogdon, which is funny because Muzz and Song but also could work for both sides. Granted, I would not want to part with Muzz for a rental and a question mark, and Brogdon us valuable as an optionable RP.
Can’t understand Dombrowski’s interest in Tommy Pham. Known as a clubhouse troublemaker. Injured frequently. He better not empty our farm system for the likes of a LOSER like Pham. We NEED PITCHING, DAVE. And NOT dumpster divers!
it reminds me of what the mets did with naquin
OK Marlins fans. How bout Candelario for Sixto?