Mets left-hander José Quintana has spent the entire season on the injured list until this week, only making his debut as a Met yesterday. Nonetheless, he’s drawing interest from other clubs around the league ahead of the trade deadline, reports Andy Martino of SNY.
Quintana, 34, had a strong campaign last year, split between the Pirates and Cardinals. He tossed 165 2/3 innings over 32 starts, allowing just 2.93 earned runs per nine innings. His 20.2% strikeout rate was a bit below average, but he paired that with a strong 46.4% ground ball rate and 6.9% walk rate. He was able to parlay that into a two-year, $26MM deal with the Mets coming into 2023, a small part of the club’s massive offseason that saw them run up the highest payroll in MLB history this year.
Unfortunately, he was shut down in the spring and required bone graft surgery for a benign lesion on one of his ribs. That kept him on the shelf until he began a rehab assignment last month and he has just now returned to the big leagues. That absence from Quintana is just one of many challenges the Mets have faced in their rotation this year, as Justin Verlander and Carlos Carrasco have also spent time on the injured list while Max Scherzer missed time due to a sticky stuff suspension. That’s left Kodai Senga as the only consistent member of the rotation this season.
The club now finds itself in an uncomfortable position, with just over a week until the trade deadline. They have a record of 45-51, which puts them 17.5 games back in the division and seven games back in the Wild Card race. FanGraphs currently pegs their postseason odds at 15.1%, still giving them a chance but surely less than what they hoped for during their aggressive winter.
Owner Steve Cohen spoke to the media last month in order to address the club’s disappointing season. He said that it would be “silly” to make additions at the deadline if the club didn’t change its position. They were 8.5 games out of the playoffs at that time and have inched closer but are still on the fringes of contention.
Perhaps a hot streak in the next week or so will change the picture, but it seems as though the club might consider selling some short-term assets before reloading for another shot at competing in 2024. They have already traded Eduardo Escobar to the Angels and it was reported this week that Mark Canha is drawing some interest. Impending free agents like Carrasco, David Robertson, Tommy Pham are also logical candidates to be discussed.
Quintana would be a bit of a different situation for the Mets, and there’s nothing in the above report to indicate they have actually entertained the idea of moving him, just that other clubs are interested. He still has another year left on his deal, which means the Mets could spurn that interest and hang onto him for 2024.
Their rotation has some question marks for next year, with Carrasco set to reach free agency and create at least one vacancy. Scherzer also has the ability to opt out of his deal, leaving his $43.33MM salary for 2024 on the table. It’s hard to say whether he would do so or not, given that he’s about to turn 39 in a few days and isn’t having a dominant season. His strikeout and walk rates are both a couple of ticks worse than last year while his 3.99 ERA is a big jump from last year’s 2.29.
On paper, the Mets have Verlander, Senga and Quintana for next year’s rotation, along with the uncertain Scherzer situation and players like Tylor Megill, David Peterson and Joey Lucchesi as internal options to take Carrasco’s spot. The upcoming free agent class is heavy on pitching and Cohen has clearly demonstrated he’s not shy about spending, so perhaps they feel they have a path to a strong rotation next year, but moving Quintana would give them one more thing on their to-do list in the upcoming offseason.
If Quintana is available, it seems fair to expect the Mets to eat most or all of the remainder of his contract in order to extract the best possible return in terms of player talent. That’s been the club’s tactic in the aforementioned Escobar deal, as well as the Trevor Gott/Chris Flexen trade and James McCann trade. That should make him theoretically attainable by any contending club, regardless of their payroll situation, as long as they are willing to part with something the Mets want.
As mentioned, there’s nothing at this moment to indicate the Mets are actively shopping Quintana, but he would surely be of interest to clubs given his lengthy track record and success last year. The Mets will have to make some tough decisions soon, given their precarious place in the standings. Part of that might involve weighing the value of Quintana’s potential contribution to the 2024 club against whatever trade offers they receive. The trade deadline is August 1.
Captain-Judge99
Isn’t Mr. Q starting today?
RunDMC
He started yesterday vs. CWS
Good outing: 5 IP, 2 ER, 6 hits, 0 BB, 3 K (decision: loss)
NYMetsFanatic
When I hear Verlander, Peterson, Megill and Lucchese factored in for 2024, I feel physically ill. That is NEVER going to fly and we are never going to win throwing those pitchers out on the mound after they’ve proven time and time again virtually ineffective. Lord, help us. Please send Eppler off to a barren uncharted island, somewhere.
Badfinger
He started yesterday. 5 IP 2 ER
Badfinger
Jose, thanks for the memories….um, memory.
#1WhiteSoxFan
Isn’t this the P involved in the Sox’ fleecing of the Cubs in the Dylan Cease/Eloy Jimenez exchange for “Q”?
Badfinger
#1, you are correct.
kma
Rick Hahn’s one glorious moment.
Ketch
Adam Eaton to the Nats for Giolito plus was pretty damn glorious
Fred K. Burke
It’s likely those two trades allowed Rick Hahn a job with the White Sox for life. No matter how many screw ups he’s made since.
Wheeler Dealer
Dude was absolutely money when he pitched against the Brewers for the Cubs , Reds would be a perfect spot for him
kidnova
“allowing just 2.93 earned runs per nine innings”
I don’t think I’ve ever seen ERA spelled out like this. 🙂
YourDreamGM
It’s either a Stephen King novel or keyword spamming for search engines to find article.
fredziffel78
LOL. How many pitchers have pitched a nine-inning game in the past few years?
StupendousYappi
Mets should trade that goof ball Alonso. Might get something decent for him in return and change the direction of the franchise. The guy swings at everything if some sucker is willing to give a few good prospects I would pounce on that deal quick.
RunDMC
It’d really depend on an extension. He’s been an anchor for that lineup for years despite the inconsistencies. That being said, I can’t see him aging well. He’ll be 30 when he hits FA after 2024. If he takes a Goldschmidt-like/STL extension offer, then sure, but you’re on borrowed time when he turns 36.
StupendousYappi
Mets need to do something to shake up the team. They have no life or energy. This guy is an automatic out right now and he has major holes in his swing. He might actually bring back a decent return and you dont have to pay him. Mets say they aren’t taking offers I don’t believe it.
JoeBrady
The Mets are like SD. They are so deep into this that they almost cannot say no to any extension. It’s like spending twice as much as budgeted on a home overhaul. After a while, it starts to look counter-productive to have spent $200k and then say no to a new pool.
sergefunction
Then after sinking $99,575 into the pool, it’s like saying no to the $35,000 pool house/bathroom.
The Mets are like SD. You don’t want either doing in the pool what they’re doing to their standings.
JoeBrady
Then after sinking $99,575 into the pool, it’s like saying no to the $35,000 pool house/bathroom.
========================
That’s the slippery slope. And it all started with Lindor. I only mention this because some people think you trade for Ohtani to get the inside position on signing him. The only way to sign him would be to pay whatever the agent thinks will be the top FA price.
With Lindor, you don’t give up that type of talent and then not sign him. That gives Lindor all the leverage. And once you sign Lindor to $341M, then you have to surround him with players. So you sign Marte, Canha & Escobar, pretty middling talent, to a combined $42M. Now you’re getting expensive, but not a whole lot better.
JackStrawb
Time for the Mets to begin dismounting from the Free Agent (& Overpriced Overlong Extension) Treadmill. Alonso will be a DH for most of any extension’s years. Why do that when [Vientos at 1B + FA Ace] >>> Alonso Extension, and for more or less the same price by AAV?
If Alonso can put it back together this season a 4/100m extension would be a decent bet, but it’s hard to imagine he’d accept it despite not being in Freddie Freeman’s or Paul Goldschmidt’s zip code as a player.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Alonsos BABIP before the ASB was second lowest in MLB history
StupendousYappi
He doesn’t put the ball in play much and when he does its usually a lazy fly ball or pop up.
RunDMC
Regardless, he’s mired in a slump and you’d be trading 1.5 years of control during a career-low season (115 OPS+). Again, he’s one of the only pieces out-performing his contract, which you need unless you’re in full rebuild mode.
StupendousYappi
But the Mets can’t pay everyone even Cohen has to have some kind of limits. Why not take a chance to change the team and get some value back? I understand his value is lower then usual at the moment but I believe someone would make a good offer for him.
RunDMC
Who? What contending teams? I can understand a culture shift, but is that possible when you have Lindor?
metzfan
this is ludacris. not only don’t you trade your face of the franchise homegrown Talent who might set every record for a Mets hitter, but you absolutely don’t trade him when he’s at his lowest value. do you know nothing about baseball?
StupendousYappi
Mets record books must be pretty terrible if this guy is in danger of breaking all records.
MarkNYM
He’s definitely not at his lowest value. He’s just in a slump. Big difference.
kma
I don’t know anything about baseball, but I know how to spell ludicrous.
Btw, wasn’t Ludacris the most cringe-worthy thing about the movie Crash? The Oscar winner not the Cronenberg fetish film.
yetipro
Wow, Ludacris is on MLBTR! Awesome
VonPurpleHayes
Might set every record? Only two: homeruns and strikeouts.
MarkNYM
I agree, the local media is afraid to mention this but this is the best avenue to the Mets’ improvement. And he is indeed a goofball, not a face of the franchise you want. Sell.
mlb fan
That would be crazy; I’m hardly a Mets fan or apologist, but Pete hasn’t been the same since the HBP earlier this year and you’d really be selling low on him. He’s typically one of their most consistent players and sources of power. Not to mention the PR disaster of trading him.
metsfan79
seeing lots of people that watch absolutely no Mets games talk about how bad he is lol he was at 297 before he got hit on the wrist. he’s always been a good hitter…y’all have some dumb takes
JackStrawb
From 2020 through yesterday, Pete’s SLG is barely .500 (.506). His OBP is a modest .337. In sum, with his defense, he’s a pretty good DH whose extension is going to excise what little fun there is in having him on your team.
He’s headed for a 2-1/2 win season this year and we may not have seen the bottom of the crater yet. If there are two things Pete isn’t, it’s smart and classy. He peaked with his rookie season and thought both miming sexual convulsions with his teammates while on-field, and teaching little kids to insert obscenities into the Mets’ decades-old catchphrase were hilarious.
Dump him off to any team that thinks he might still be a 4-win player, before they come to their senses.
377194
Goofball? He’s in a bad slump. He’s been one of the premier HR since he came into the bigs. I hope the Mets sign him to a long contract.
JackStrawb
You could have said the same of Dave Kingman, Adam Dunn, and Chris Davis, and will have the same regrets wrt Alonso as soon as he’s mired in his early 30s.
Jdt8312
The Mets won’t be picking up any salary unless some top prospects are involved here. If the Mets have a commodity, other teams can pay for it with prospects, and taking on that salary, which isn’t high at all, for an effective pitcher. Good article until that line.
JoeBrady
LOL!
He was already an overpay at $26M/2. And you think that they teams that didn’t want to pay $26M/2, will now pay the pro-rated portion + give up a prospect, especially given that he has been injured the entire season?
Jdt8312
If you have a commodity that other teams want, ie “he’s drawing trade intersst”, that means teams are inquiring about him, then you have to pay for that commodity. If a team thinks they are that close to getting in, and winning it all, then the Mets have all the power in that negotiation. What other starters are on the market to be had? Everyone is looking for starting pitching. And 13 mil per isn’t a big salary for a quality starter. If other teams want him, they’ll have to pay for him, because he’s a quality starter, and he’s controlled for a whole year after this one. You’ll pay for it if you really think you have a chance to win it all.
flamingbagofpoop
He’s drawing interest doesn’t mean teams are willing to pay his salary and give up prospects.
There are plenty of other starters…Giolito, Stroman, Lorenzen to name a few.
mostlytoasty
@JoeBrady
Quintana’s under the hood numbers from last year will likely push him to some regression this season, but $13 mil for a guy that has the potential to be a sub-4.00 ERA arm that can eat innings isn’t a bad deal given the elevated numbers of injuries this year. Quintana was hurt of course, but it wasn’t a pitching injury.
Jdt8312
The market isn’t defined by the parameters you laid out exclusively. The market is defined by what else is out there for trade, the quality of what is out there for trade, how desperate someone who is looking for an upgrade is, and how valuable said commodity is to the team who has control of the commodity. If there is no good starting pitching on the market, the Mets can name their price.
Samuel
“If there is no good starting pitching on the market, the Mets can name their price.”
Jdt8312;
Of course the Mets can name their price.
The trouble is finding someone willing to pay it….and the first team that comes to mind as sucker enough to do so is the Mets. LOL
Assume calls into Preller are happening as I type.
flamingbagofpoop
You’re going to be really disappointed with what they get back for their players.
Jdt8312
The Mets aren’t shopping him. Note “he’s drawing trade interest”. There has been nothing in the NY media about the Mets trying to deal him. Teams are inquiring about him. So if they want him, and the think they need him bad enough because he’s the best option at the time, the Mets can name their price and get it. You’re taking that one line completely out of context from how I meant it.
Jdt8312
I am under no illusion that the Mets can get rid of most of their players in trade, even if it were for equipment of 80’s vintage. But they do have some players of value that could help a contender, should they decide to sell. I’m not convinced that they will sell.And if they do, the players that would be of any interest to a contender will be priced according to that is out there.
JackStrawb
Quintana’s a bit of an odd duck—does any team view him as the #3 in their postseason rotation? They also know he might be worth a win over two months compared with a pitcher with an ERA around 4.50, so what’s that worth? If he’s their postseason #3, that he sat out for 3.5 months has real value since he’ll be about the freshest experienced SP among all 12 postseason teams.
That the Mets might be willing to pick up his remaining $18m in salary is also unusual, but how many teams want to surrender that significant prospect the Mets would be effectively buying for cash? Probably not many.
Jdt8312
Given the free agent class of pitchers coming up, I don’t know why the Mets would even entertain trade talks.
Samuel
Joe;
Just goes to show how desperate MLB teams are for starting pitchers.
Better to have a deep bullpen with 7-9 guys at AAA and AA ready to be called up when the bullpenners on the ML roster are tired.
thejerkstore
Ask the White Sox for Jimenez and Cease
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Wow. Amazing.
DCartrow
Lol who?
msqboxer
He’s a career .500 pitcher who has 5 innings under his belt in 2023 and still owed $18MM or so….only thing the Mets are getting for Quintana is another guy on a 40 man roster that has under achieved or fallen out of favor with their current club. (Cardinal – Tyler O’Neil SF- Joey Bart..or some 19 year old pitcher that throws 100 but can’t find the strike zone.
Bill M
Yup. Unless someone offers something worthwhile, he’s going to be a Met until next year. Why would anyone offer something worthwhile, when he’s completely unproven coming back from injury?
RunDMC
Honestly, ATL would be interested. They wouldn’t mind paying some if the quality of prospect would be lower (allowing them to continue to build depth). Quintana is a proven innings eater, which, if successful, would mean you wouldn’t have to build/spend as much for the bullpen. And with ATL’s offense, they have a high-floor/lower risk for an incoming P.
Note: bottom-third in MLB vs. southpaws (team AVG): LAD, MIN, SF, SD, SEA — all teams that could be contending and you may see in the postseason.
ohyeadam
How about Quintana to the Twins for Randy Dobnak? Lol
BlueSkies_LA
Would he be marketed as a starter or reliever at this point?
YourDreamGM
Starter 100 percent
brooklyn62
Good lord, Quintana as trade bait, really? Trade Carrasco , Mr. 4 1/3 strong innings! Trade Vogelslug for a chubby ballgirl to be named later. Trade Canha for a supply of Excedrin Migraine Relief for Marte.
Samuel
brooklyn62;
“4 1/3 strong innings” is more then teams get out of most starting pitchers today.
Every team is burning their pitchers out. MLB is now a bullpen game.
brooklyn62
Oh trust me, I know. Been watching the Mets arson squad masquerading as relievers all year. Buck started burning out the bullpen in late April.
Jdt8312
Who would take those players? No one is interested in players that have no real value in improving their team. Quintana is a good pitcher, who was on the IL, but not for arm issues. He’s a quality pitcher, and his arm is fresh from being on the IL. It makes sense that teams would call about him. I don’t think the Mets would trade him unless someone made an offer we couldn’t refuse. From what I understand of next years free agent pitching class, it isn’t great. And we don’t have any pitching that is close in AA, or AAA. It would have to be something the Mets couldn’t say no to because Quintana is signed for next year.
Jay 30
That creep can roll, man.
CardsFan57
Just keep Quintana if you plan to compete next year.
Cohn Joppolella
Don’t trade him- sign him to an extension.
mostlytoasty
Seems to be a lot of folks hating on Quintana here, but I think his 2-year deal was pretty fair provided he can pitch something like a 3.50/3.75 ERA. He’s very good at inducing weak contact, which worked when he had a great defense behind him in STL last year. Feel like he would be a good match for someone like the Jays or Rays. Orioles maybe as well, but they’re a team filled with SP3+ kinda guys already and need a bit more upside in that rotation IMO.
YourDreamGM
Compared to other Mets contracts he was a absolute bargain.
VonPurpleHayes
Mers legend
Jrnomo100
Cards could use him
VonPurpleHayes
Both teams should be selling
Jrnomo100
Cards need pitching for next year
Bill M
So does every other team
Jrnomo100
A new bullpen would be nice too
Attystephenadams
I think that it’s unlikely that they trade Quintana. They need starters for next year, he’s signed to a reasonable deal, and they’re not going to bring back top prospects for him. Peterson, Megill and Lucchesi have yet to show that they are reliable options at the MLB level.
They actually came up with a pretty good strategy to sign starters to short term contracts while waiting for their prospects (Vasil, Hamel & Tidwell) to get to the majors. If they have to go looking for starters this winter they’ll have to pay too much for longer contracts. Even though Cohen could spend lots of money every year, he knows that model isn’t sustainable and is looking to develop from within.
Nearly everyone not named Alvarez, Lindor, Pham, Senga, Rayley and Robertson have underperformed so far. I can’t believe that they could all have such off years for an entire season, and I expect many of the others to rebound for the rest of the season. They may wind up being sellers on some players, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t pick up a couple of relievers. They still have a reasonable shot at the wild card.
foppert1
The precedent was set last year. Quintana and 3 prospects to the Giants for Sean Manaea.
brooklyn62
Darin Ruf, is that you trying to be a comedian?
Rickover50
He is awful and wouldn’t bring back a top 30 prospect
brooklyn62
I looked up all the stats at Syracuse; the Mets have no one,ZILCH,NADA to promote to the big league except Mauricio, but he doesn’t have a position. Their AAA roster is devoid of any help this year. That’s a sad reality.
Jdt8312
And that is why we didn’t make any real moves last year at the deadline. Everyone was asking for Alvarez, Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio. And that would have left the cupboard bare., and us up somethings creek without a paddle.2/5th of our current infield wouldn’t exist as we know it.
citizen
must been the yankees calling since the like injured starters
JackStrawb
Doesn’t make much sense to deal Quintana if you’re not overwhelmed—and you won’t be.
If the Mets treat themselves to a genuine ace this offseason and behind him go with Senga, Verlander, Quintana, and Scherzer and their 2 through 5, that’s a good wildcard contender’s rotation. Add a stud to the lineup, figure one of McNeil and Marte will rebound, figure that Baty will be a competent 2-win regular, that one of Vientos or Mauricio will be worth a roster spot…, and that’s a solid if not a spectacular lineup. Now if they just buy a bullpen, if Edwin Diaz comes back at 90%, if Buck feels ten years younger, if Cohen stops pretending he’s a GM, and if Billy Eppler is confined to paperwork, they just might have a shot at 95 wins and a mean around 90.