The Mariners pulled back to .500 this afternoon, blanking the Twins to get to 48-48. They’re still in fourth place in the AL West, 9 1/2 games behind the division-leading Rangers. They’re five games out of the final Wild Card spot pending Houston’s night contest in Oakland.
With the club hovering around average all season, the front office finds itself in a borderline position approaching the August 1 trade deadline. President of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto suggested the team was taking a flexible approach in a chat with Mike Salk this morning during his weekly appearance on 710 AM ESPN in Seattle.
Dipoto conceded the M’s have “not really separated ourselves in a meaningful way to be aggressive on the buying end.” While he left open the potential for short-term additions, he noted they’ll use the next 11 days to evaluate if it’s “better to make a push for the ’23 season or to better situate ourselves for ’24.”
In any event, it doesn’t seem the Mariners are preparing to play at the top of the rental market. “Last year, we were very aggressive in the trade market for what I would call the big fish and we were able to land Luis Castillo,” Dipoto said. “This year, we’re probably not going to be in that market. We’re going to be more in the margins market, trying to find a way that we can get a little bit better in ’23 and better situate ourselves for ’24.”
It’s possible that could involve moving a shorter-term veteran off the MLB roster in a deal for controllable talent. Asked by Salk whether selling is off the table, Dipoto replied, “No, and it never has been. … We are always one foot in the camp of buyer and one foot in the camp of seller, believing that the best way to approach any trade deadline is with the mindset of ’how do we make the Mariners better?’”
That’s not an uncommon approach for executives whose teams are on the periphery of contention. The Red Sox and Brewers attempted (unsuccessfully) to thread that needle last summer, dealing veterans with dwindling control windows while bringing back more controllable upper level talent. As Dipoto pointed out, the Mariners have found themselves in a similar position — most notably in 2021, when Seattle traded impending free agent reliever Kendall Graveman to the Astros for infielder Abraham Toro while Houston was narrowly ahead of the Mariners in the standings.
While Dipoto’s comments leave open the possibility of parting with veteran players, they’re not about to kick off a rebuild. The baseball operations leader expressed confidence in a core centered around the likes of Julio Rodríguez, George Kirby, Logan Gilbert, J.P. Crawford, Bryan Woo and Castillo.
Dipoto attributed the club’s middling performance in large part to a lack of depth, particularly in the lineup. “We’re about an average major league offense by most advanced metrics. We need to find a way to be better than average,” he said. “In order to do that, we can tap into a lot of different avenues. Some of it is going to come from our system; some of it is going to come from outside. It has to, and maybe that starts now.”
It’s hard to argue with that characterization. Seattle entered play Thursday ranked 18th in runs. They’re 25th with a .310 on-base percentage and 24th with a .388 slugging mark, though that’s partially a product of a tough home hitting environment. By measure of wRC+, which accounts for ballpark, the M’s have been one percentage point worse than a league average offense.
Conceding that “we don’t have a next wave of bats at Triple-A ready to come and push us over that edge,” Dipoto suggested that building out the lineup depth will be a priority. He took responsibility for the club’s current struggles in that regard. While Dipoto predictably didn’t single out any players, none of Seattle’s top three offseason acquisitions has performed up to expectations.
Teoscar Hernández is hitting .243/.296/.428 across 399 plate appearances. That’s serviceable but certainly not what the M’s had in mind when they sent reliever Erik Swanson and pitching prospect Adam Macko to Toronto in November. Hernández had been an impact bat for the Blue Jays from 2020-22, combining for a .283/.333/.519 line.
Kolten Wong and AJ Pollock, on the other hand, haven’t found any success in 2023. The former is hitting .158/.240/.211 in 58 games after an offseason trade that sent Jesse Winker to Milwaukee. He has lost the starting second base job to José Caballero as a result. Pollock is hitting .169/.222/.315 since signing a $7MM free agent contract to add some right-handed pop to the outfield.
Seattle won’t be able to drum up much interest in either of the latter two players. If they seriously consider moving short-term veterans, though, Hernández should still be on the radar for clubs looking for offensive help. The M’s wouldn’t recoup the kind of value they surrendered to get him, of course, but his pre-2023 track record could make him an appealing change-of-scenery target.
Hernández is playing this season on a $14MM arbitration salary. He’ll be a free agent at season’s end. A couple months ago, he looked like a lock to receive and reject a qualifying offer. That’s no longer an obvious decision, at least raising the possibility of Seattle getting no compensation if they hold him past the deadline and he departs in free agency.
Seattle’s only other impending free agent is backup catcher Tom Murphy. He’s affordable ($1.625MM arb salary) and mashing at a .275/.330/.539 clip in a limited role. As a rental backup catcher, he wouldn’t bring back a major return, but the M’s shouldn’t have a problem finding a trade partner if they were to put him on the market.
Reliever Paul Sewald could be Seattle’s most appealing realistic trade chip. The righty owns a 3.03 ERA with a massive 37.7% strikeout rate over 38 2/3 innings. He has been excellent in all three of his seasons in the Pacific Northwest.
Sewald is eligible for arbitration for one more year, so the Mariners would hold firm to a huge asking price if they made him available at all. Dealing him would probably be their best chance to get an upper level bat with an extended window of team control, assuming they’re not interested in dealing any of their prized young starting pitching.
dipoto will make a bunch of unnecessary trades
That’s better than not making any necessary trades at all.
Is it?
Nope. DTR always makes the most asinine comments. Truly brain dead.
First I agree with you about DTR generally. But even a broken clock is right two times a day.
Taken literally you can make unneeded trades that are neither good nor bad, but rarely do well with no trades at all.
I read that one time and understood it perfectly. Then read it 3 more times and confused myself.
It’s basically better to throw something against the wall than throw nothing? That’s what I got. And I don’t agree. Degrom is saying it because his team is in first for once.
Unnecessary doesn’t imply bad. Say Texas has Moore and Pérez and could get something. They should deal them and get something. The same goes for Ohtani, Hader, Giolito, and Snell. A contender could still deal from an area of surplus to pad an area of weakness. I am assuming that these “unnecessary” deals would still be dealing from an area of strength, and those would have some chance of paying off.
I’m predicting that Pollack + $ gets sent to LA for a low level prospect at the deadline.
AJP has no value. I don’t know that any team would pay a $ over the league minimum for him at this point. Certainly no prospect is coming back.
If anything, a Geno trade to the Dodgers is more likely. One more year of control with a team option is more likely to get back something than Pollock
Dodgers would get Carlson, Canha or even Grichuk ahead of Polluck.
Geno is not going anywhere. Do you remember the Kendall Graveman trade? This would go over worse.
I’m not so sure about that. There’s a huge difference: This team isn’t in contention. I would guess that the players are anticipating a shake-up.
I’d like to see the O’s inquire about Brash or Munoz. We could certainly send Connor Norby + back. That’d give the M’s a real 2B prospect for the foreseeable future.
Munoz has got to be one of the most valuable BP arms in the league with his extension. Especially with his super affordable team options where all three have no buyout.
You are right. That’s not enough—I didn’t consider that. I’d have interest in Brash if Seattle wanted a deal around one of the 2B prospects Baltimore has available:
Either Ortiz or Norby is clearly blocked. Westburg is up on the big league squad now but I don’t think he’s completely untouchable either.
BAL needs to clear out some of these prospects or a Ramon Urias at some point here. Just too many guys for too few slots.
There’s guys like Kyle Stowers in the upper minors who have no path to playing time but are crushing the ball in AAA. Don’t know that the M’s will be the team. The O’s typically go for the undervalued relievers and fix them but there’s clearly chips to play with.
Seattle lacks any real ML ready hitting prospects. There’s quite a few here to potentially make a match for someone.
I could see Brash being moved for one of those guys. Mariners are my second team since I live close, so Im reluctant because I think brash is turning a corner. But, mariners need some one for the keystone.
Edit:one of those guys..plus others of course.
Munoz is going nowhere, and being built as the M’s Closer of the future…
I am sure the walkout song and merch is already in production…
Sewald is the piece to go based on his production (and age adding to SEA willingness to send him off).
They don’t need anymore middle infield prospects. The M’s have 4 2B prospects. Cole Young, Colt Emerson, Tai Peete, and Felnin Celestin. Jose Caballero who has been one of out biggest surprises also plays a good 2B. What the M’s need are “IMPACT” bats. It doesn’t matter which position it comes from, because they could use an offensive boost at every single position on the diamond.
Agreed that they need impact bats but the MI prospects you mention are teenagers who are years away from helping the mlb club if they get there at all. Caballero has been a nice surprise but idk if there’s enough track record there yet to say that he’s the guy to count on at 2b for the foreseeable future. They could probably use some closer to mlb ready talent at MI rn as well.
Did you really just name two guys that we just drafted out of high school less than 2 weeks ago and a 17 year old international prospect? Cmon man. They’re all years away. Young is still a couple away too.
Sewald for an offensive return makes 1,000% sense… Even if this team strikes a match and heats up this year, they’d be fine in the bullpen.
Totally agree!
LET’S GO!
Not all ballparks are created equal. T mobile park, like Target field, has something of a funnel shape to the outfield: the only power alley is straight up the middle. The Mariners are second to only the Twins this season in strikeout rates.
Higher pitch velocities mean hitters have to literally muscle out a hit. Hit placement is becoming a lost art. Small outfields then reduce extra bases and runs. The obsession with home runs and the wow factor doesn’t really fit with the advanced metrics obsession. Something has to give.
Maybe they should make bases larger and speed up play and ban the shift
The right center field wall at Fenway is 420ft and the park is an extra base haven. Comerica park was recently the same distance to dead center and an extreme pitchers’ park.
Since they brought in the left field fence at Comerica, adding the bullpens there, Comerica has been pretty much a league average ball park. It just seems pitcher friendly because the Tigers have no hitting.
@dankyank- you have to factor more than just distance. Seattle’s mix of temperature, wind, breeze, and air mass creates a marine layer. This makes it much harder to hit home runs in spring or on chilly nights and also makes balls hang in the air longer, reducing extra base hits into gaps. That’s the major reason T-Mo has pitcher-friendly park factors.
I’m more concerned about who you give up then on the return. since more than likely pitching is what other teams are going to want, unless you get creative with positional platers as well.
Who would that be? but also the return might seem minimal at best not enough to change much of any outcome. Last year the team was for whatever reason were hitting better, so what happen this year?: Maybe their malas will wear off. personally I feel the teams energy made the difference, so far I haven’t seen it they may need to experiment with the chemistry some with moving players around more however limiting that might be.
Miller for Tommy Edman. Who says no?
Cardinals have Winn coming he’s ready to play right now. Certainly use Miller.
The M’s easily. Tommy Edman isn’t providing a very big offensive jolt. He’s only controllable for 2 more years after this campaign. Can’t imagine there’d be any interest to give up Miller’s 6 years for that.
Edman has a track record of being a 5 win player. His offense tanked when moved to center where I can tell you he definitely does not belong. He’s a good player. And he’s a good fit for the Mariners.
Edman primarily provides defensive value to get to that WAR number. He also outproduced his expected stats to get there.
He’s a good player but not worth giving up that many years of a mid rotation arm. Id pass pretty easily. 2 years just isn’t enough to justify.
Good defense is valuable. And I dint know what outproduced expected stats even means. He has a track record.
Mid rotation arm for a 4 or 5 win player makes sense for both teams. Mariners because they have more arms Cardinals because they have Winn.
Edman does not have a track record of being a 4-5 win player. He has a career war of 15.8, last year he was worth 6.4 war and this year he is 0.8. That leaves 8.6 war for the 3 years prior. So last year is likely the outlier here. He is more of a 3 war player at best.
All of his value is in his defensive versatility. The Mariners need IMPACT bats and Edman is absolutely NOT that.
Even MLB trade simulator has Miller worth way more then Edman. It’s not even close and would be a massive overpay for the Mariners.
On a 600 at bat basis he’s a 4 to 5 win player. That’s reality.
Defensive versatility doesn’t produce WAR defensive ability does.
Yes the values are close.
How many times you gonna lie in one post fella? Good gosh.
You’re right His DEFENSIVE ability creates his WAR, not his offensive ability.
Reality is he has had 1 year where his WAR was good. Reality is the Mariners need a hitter with more offensive value. Reality is, Edman is not the player. Reality is Miller is worth more then Edman.
The values are not really close. The MLB trade calculator suggests it would take both Edman and Burleson to get Miller and it be an even trade.
I didn’t lie a single time. Everything I said was fact based.
Also I’m not a Mariners fan.
Value is value. Wins are wins. It doesn’t matter if you provide value through offense or defense. Wins are Wins.
You think adding Burleson would keep the deal from happening???? Lol. Done deal. I never suggested a 1 for 1 was how the deal had to play out. You assumed that and then argued about it.
The fact is Edman is a very good player. If the Cardinals didn’t have Winn ready to play they wouldn’t even consider trading him. If you don’t understand he’s a good player then do some researhch.
You’re original statement actually does suggest 1 for 1.
“Miller for Tommy Edman. Who says no?”
So the answer to your question is NO.
I never said Edman wasn’t a good player. I think he is a very solid player, but the Mariners don’t make this trade. Edman does not fit their needs. Yes Miller definitely fits the need for the Cardinals, but you have to be willing to give the Mariners what they need. Edman isn’t that.
And it does matter where the value comes from if you are a team looking for an “impact bat”. A team like the Dodgers would value Edman more because of his defensive versatility, where the Mariners would be looking to add a Goldschmidt or Arenado type player because of their offensive skill set.
Add something to it. The trade still makes sense. Emdan isn’t less valuable because he’s good at defense like you are suggesting.
The Mariners need someone who can play 2b. Edman can also backup short which I believe is a team need of theirs too.
They got an impact bat in Teoscar Hernandez. How’s that working out?
This trade doesn’t make sense for the Mariners.
I didn’t say he was less valuable. I’m saying he doesn’t fit the needs of the Mariners. The Mariners have Caballero at 2nd who has a higher WAR (1.6) then Edman (0.8) does this season. So it is possible Edman would still be a utility guy in Seattle.
Due to Hernandez not working out they way they hoped they still need an impact bat.
Edman flat out doesn’t fill the need the Mariners are looking for.
@king of cards- you’re not going to be able to talk M’s fans into wanting to give up Miller for anything less than as part of a package for a star offensive player. I’m with bstrow, that’s an overpay for Edman. I’m higher on Edman than many, but Miller is already a solid mid-rotation guy and his ceiling can be even higher.
Gorman for Gilbert?
Oh wait. Gilbert is the next Nolan Ryan. Can’t have him…..
If I am the GM I am done talking and moving on to someone else to trade with.
If you think you are getting a star offensive player for your 4th best starter you are delusional.
@KOC the problem here is that you’re arguing based on a premise that Edman’s value is fixed and universal and driven solely by holistic statistical and skill set factors, which is not the be all and end all of how value is determined in a trade context. In trade scenarios value is relative to the prospective acquiring teams’ immediate needs and broader/long-term organizational goals. The Ms being a fringe contender at best who both immediately and long term need impact offense are not likely to value edman as highly as a different team in a different position of needs and goals might. (like the dodgers or other contending teams with up the middle defense concerns might hypothetically). This is what people have been trying to explain to you. Pointing this out doesn’t invalidate the idea that Edman is a valuable player on individual merit.
Great. If his mentality is the same as yours, I hope he hangs up and moves on.
Gilbert doesn’t need to be the next Nolan Ryan for this to not make sense. Controllable pitching is (and should be) expensive in trades. Edman has lots of value but you’re asking the M’s to give up a player at a more critical position for a guy who plays a less impactful position and isn’t even performing that well this year. If you were asking for Bryan Woo plus more, it would be a different story.
And for what it’s worth, if you were talking about Edman to Miami for someone like Braxton Garrett, I’d have the same take… even though I think Gilbert has a bit more value than Garrett.
You can say “4th best starter” all you want (he’s probably 3rd anyway) but that title doesn’t mean much when he would be a 2nd best starter on many teams. His value will show when he isn’t traded at the deadline because teams won’t meet the asking price. Teams don’t just part with controllable, mid-rotation pitching.
You can tell me how great your pitching is but the position players are not. That’s why trades happen. The Cardinals have the opposite that’s why I suggested a trade. You want to ignore your needs and tell me how great your pitching is go ahead.
He’s the “4th best starter” because of three studs in front of him. In addition, Miller is a rookie who got his call up on May 1. The kid has already shown the ability to be a top of the rotation pitcher on many teams. The Millers of the world don’t grow on trees, so asking for a star offensive player isn’t nonsense. Go back to little league!
Gilbert is going nowhere for a guy like Edman. Great young starters are worth far more than a dime-a-dozen middle infielder with a little upside.
I’m not doing that. I’m just saying Edman is not the guy to give up a mid-rotation, controllable SP. Controllable pitching is much harder to obtain than a serviceable 2B. We would be better off trading prospects for a starting IF.
Miller has what 12 big league starts?
He has proven nothing.
Here’s an idea
Castillo
Trammell
For
Donovan
Gives you a 2b or 3b who is instantly one of your best players. He’s not a home run guy which should play better in that park. You can take the money saved from the Castillo deal and spend it on help in the offseason
You’re offering things that make no sense. I can’t tell if you’re trolling or just way undervaluing pitching. It makes no sense to trade our best player and get significantly worse in the rotation, plus Castillo is an ace on a below-market deal for even a #2.
M’s will have at least $30M off the books after this season, so what they should do is trade Woo or Miller plus top prospects to a team who is rebuilding for one of their controllable bats, then use the leftover money to sign one lineup changer in the offseason. We’re likely not going anywhere this year, so it can wait until the offseason (Dipoto said they likely aren’t making any major moves at the deadline). MLB player for MLB player swaps are rare for a reason.
My trade works with the unbiased trade simulator
You got any ideas? Feel free to share instead of just trolling mine.
Likely not going anywhere this year lol. Good gosh.
Not suggesting any ideas is better than suggesting stupid ones. “Trolling” your trades… if that’s how you feel, I’m sorry a dozen or so people have trolled your proposals.
I don’t think M’s and Cardinals line up on a trade at the deadline. Much more likely in the offseason. No point going all-in on this season and would be dumb to sell off great pitching. Should have spent more on bats in the offseason. They didn’t. Cardinals aren’t going anywhere either so why bother making this trade? Just silly.
I want Castillo because he’s ready to throw enough innings to be able to be strong in October.
I understand you are not familiar with your team playing in October. So you probably didn’t think of that.
People only resort to ad hominems when they know they’re wrong or their back is against the wall lol. I’m sorry you feel ganged up on.
Also, you might want to stop living in the past. The M’s made it further in the playoffs than the Cardinals last season and they’re much better this season. I’m not sure why you’d be worried about Castillo pitching playoff innings for STL when you have virtually no chance chance (<1%) of making it there. STL shouldn't be trying to make the playoffs anyway, they should be trying to solidify a lottery pick and finding someone better to lead that team than that clown, Marmol.
How much is 30 million plus Castillos salary?
Thats about how much Ohtani is going to make is what it is.
But you don’t want Ohtani right????
………
Marmol is a clown for sure
Your team has 1 playoff appearance in the last 2 decades combined. I truly don’t think you know what it takes to build a successful team year in and year out. How would you?
Enough of the Tommy Edman BS already
Just to be clear the Mariners who are 9th in defense and 27th in batting average should acquire a glove first outfielder? (insert your own *gimme what he’s smoking/has dude ever seen a baseball?” insult….
You Mariners fans are a special bunch. You have only made the playoffs once in the last 20 years so not only are you conditioned to lose you don’t really understand baseball it seems.
My team is going for their 7th consecutive win today. I was there in 2011 I went to 30 games that year 27 regular season and 1 each for each round of the playoffs.
It was great. Maybe one day you will get to experience that for yourself.
Make bad points so go for the ad hominem despite multiple people (some not even Mariners fans) providing you with a reality check. Get real.
How many 4 win position players do the Mariners have?
Julio
Who else?
Bro any talent evaluator worth their salt will tell you that war is not the only factor or significant data point in player valuation, especially when considering cost of acquisition. Funny seeing you flex about the cards’ performance rn considering you’ve been complaining daily about the team at every level in the mlbtr comments like it’s your job.
You mad bro?
How do you evaluate a players value of you don’t use WAR? Don’t say RBIs…..
I never flexed about the Cardinals performance. And I haven’t been complaining either. You made those things up.
1 playoff appearance in 20 years. Thats all.
Nah I’m doing fine! Thanks for asking homie. You seem pretty mad though. Might be time for a lil break for ya imo.
My life is one giant break. And I certainly didn’t ask for your opinion.
Enjoy rooting for mediocrity.
Lol I’m not even an Ms fan bruh. And judging by the responses you’re getting folks are getting pretty tired of your opinions round these parts. Pity that it seems you’re not using this giant break of a life to learn anything new tho
If you are not a Mariners fan what are you doing here?
You are a troll. Run along.
You’re not an Ms fan either dude lol. I just like to talk baseball and don’t mind a bit of a debate either. And I do enjoy mixing it up a bit with people who are loud wrong in these conversations from time to time. You’re free to dip out of this back and forth any time you want but I’ll engage with any thread on this site that strikes my fancy. If you don’t like the game nobody’s making you play it but you.
You troll me again I will report it
Peace
Ok your majesty, I pinky swear that this will be the last time I respond to you here. Report if you want but i and other people started by trying to have a reasonable conversation with you in this thread. It’s a bad look to turn around cry troll and threaten to tattle when people call you out for resorting to ad hominem attacks and respond in kind when you instigate that. You wanna find the troll in this thread, look in the mirror.
Nobody is trying to have a reasonable conversation here. Not one person has suggested a different trade. I suggested a deal and a bunch if wait until next year fans said it was no good. You never offered any thoughts of your own you just showed up to troll.
I don’t know what the Mariners are doing. Being a 500 team is the worst.
@King of Cards
Here is a trade proposal for you.
Cards get Jared Schuster and Victor Vodnik (MTV says it is worth 6.3)
Braves gets Jack Flagerty and Jordan Hicks.(MTV says it is worth 7.3)
MTV accepts the trade based on overall value.
The Cardinals get 2 pitchers controllable long term which they obviously need and the Braves get 2 rental pieces to hopefully improve their chances at a WS ring.
I appreciate actually making a legit proposal.
The Cardinals don’t need ordinary pitching they need top of the rotation pitching. We have tons of back end guys coming soon. I understand teams don’t want to deal top end guys that’s why I look at guys who are hurt or on teams that don’t need them anymore.
Most importantly though I don’t think the Caridnals are selling anymore. They never wanted to sell. The team ks playing good again.
Braves are in good shape one way or another. But I don’t think my team is gonna help you get there.
Yes, you’re right. The Cards have a much better history, but you have to live in St. Louis. God help you!
Tattletale
I live in Denver lol. From St Louis. I blame my parents but at least I know what good baseball looks like. I have seen Albert play in person over 250 times.
The Mariners. You don’t trade a young controllable starting pitcher for a utility Infielder. Especially that already has several
Edman is a 4 or 5 win player. How many Mariner position players can say that???
He’s a utility player on the Cardinals because the team is stacked with position players. He’s not a utility player on most any other team. He wouldn’t be on the Mariners.
It would be fascinating to see the Reds & Mariners just reverse course on the trade they made last year for Castillo, which seems to be rare a win win trade for both sides so far…. Mariners get back the prospects they gave up who are another year along & balling…. The Reds get back there Ace Castillo (they desperately need) & his new contact….
Obviously it’s unlikely but would be funny as heck & very interesting…
I wish!
“Reds and Mariners just reverse course”….Very interesting, intriguing proposal and it’s not as crazy as it sounds, since both teams are in completely different situations than when they did that deal.
Except that Castillo is set to make over $96 million over the next few years and we know how Castellini hates paying players not named Joey Votto
If my team had only 1 playoff appearance in the last 20 years I wouldn’t be so quick to approve of a sell off of talent.
Bryce Miller for Tommy Edman would be fun. Not a buy or sell just a swap of talent.
Dude, just stop posting about this. Multiple threads now. As per your handle, you are too biased to appropriately evaluate cards players. Edman is not that valuable and Miller is much more.
Look at the unbiased trade simulator. It’s not that far off.
Cardinals look like they might not be sellers. But they have an infielder to trade one way or another.
It is far enough off to say that it would be an overpay and the Cardinals would have to give up more.
Lol, MIller is good, not great. He has gotten TORCHED by good hitting teams this year. You can google it yourself if you don’t believe me. You can keep Miller for all I care.
Forgot to change the handle back?
What?
Ahhh the “what” reply which has dodged so many people getting caught in history.. like I mean never kinda history. Like it’s a dead giveaway when you reply with what you hauled tacos to log out and back in. Like who did you think you were throwing off with “what”. Did that answer “what” for you? Some peoples kids lol
Take the tin foil hat off you idiot. I don’t have multiple accounts. I saw the comment and am smart enough to understand that’s what he was trying to say. I don’t have 2 accounts.
Good gosh man. Get outside. Go enjoy life. You are insane.
The King of Cards is an idiot. He’s trolling you and everyone else. Miller for Edman is ridiculous and he knows it.
Sewald and Murphy have been huge clubhouse guys.
If they intend to contend in 2024, they should keep Sewald and extend Murphy.
That said, there is a ton of work to do.
Couldn’t agree more. My only fear is we resign them both and Dipoto says, “we spent our money”
It’s not up to Dipoto how much money is spent, it’s up to Stanton. You think Dipoto wouldn’t love to add Ohtani if Stanton signed off on giving him $600M+ to do so?
Of course it is. Have you ever heard Stanton say “we’ve spent all the money we can” though? I haven’t. I HAVE heard Jerry say it though.
Kind of weird that your takeaway from my comment was that I believe Dipoto sets the payroll.
“We’re going to be more in the margins market” = ownership doesn’t want to add any more salary.
Can’t blame them too much considering what Jerry did with the additional money spent.
Kolten Wong, Aj Pollack, & Teo Hernandez is a lot of money for nothing…..
…but you can get chick’s for free…
Hernandez’ numbers are actually on par with where they should be. Wong and Pollock have been terrible though. If the M’s can find a taker for any of them they’d be very lucky
Whose at fault?
Sounds like they are out of the Ohtani trade market while preparing for the 2024 FA bidding for him. They’ll look to trade away an SP and 2024 salary.
The M’s lineup has more strikeouts than the pitching staff. DiPoto could start there.
Julio Rodriguez face planting in his sophomore season will probably correct itself next year and maybe this year. They need better production out of the left side of the Infield. Trade Miller to St Louis for Goldschmidt if St Louis ever stops overvaluing their “assets”, trade someone for a blocked middle infielder in Baltimore.
Goldschmidt’s probably not approving a trade to a team that’s not any better than the one he is currently on.
The M’s have 6 middle Infielders in their top 30 prospects so adding another one is probably not a priority.
Lots of players suffer the sophomore jinx, hopefully Julio spends less time making commercials and more time working on his hitting next winter
Teams that are trying to win don’t worry about who is on their top prospect list. Many of those infielders you mention are years away. Some teams play to win today.
The M’s once included David Arias as the player to be named later in a trade for Dave Hollins, who played 28 games for the M’s. As most everyone here knows, Arias changed his last name to Ortiz and ended up in the Hall of Fame. He was in more than one way ‘the player to be named later’
Lets be fair, Ortiz was a-barely-holding-on-to-a-roster-spot player on the Twins until they finally cut him lose. But for the grace of god and Pedro Martinez did he end up in Boston, and only after an injury to Jeremy Giambi did he actually get a chance. Lets not act like the Twins stole one or the Mariners gave one away
dont forget Lowe and Veritek for a bag of crap on fire(slocum)
M’s are K’ing way to much!! Historic level. 4 players are on pace for 170 k’s.
Teo and Geno should be moved and replaced with player that K less.
Teo,Pollack and Woo to Yankees for Torres and DJ.
Torres is the prize for Sea.
The yanks are trotting journeman OF and Bader just got hurt. AJ -change of scenery.
Torres and DJ- more contact type hitters. Torres 1 more year of control and DJ -3 years. Yes, DJ is getting old.
THe diff in K’s are about cut in half. .
Boy, three trades that went nowhere no wonder things are what they are. The three that they brought in need to go, package them with some pitching get at least a couple of bats. I don’t care where you find them just do it. You can start with facebook market place, maybe start with yard sale with plenty of pictures. Yeah that should do it.
I’m here to save the day. This team needs a chemistry change. If you have problems hitting the ball then you need to out quick them on the bases. The whole idea is to create stress on the base paths. Sure you need to get on base first, the hitters are going to have to be more discipline their going to have to wear that under there cap. Of course changes in personal are going to be needed which there does exist some challenges with flexibility issues, but if you want to save the day your simply going to have to be both more pliable, and creative that which has been in short supply lately.. May I suggest you start with bringing up players such as Mathias, Scheiner, Haggerty, that would be a start. Deloach, and Trammel or not. This trade deadline could together become somehow a reboot if you play your cards right. Now don’t screw it up.
Thank You very much, and you’re welcome.
Pollack and Wong have zero value on the market and on the roster. DiPoto doesn’t have the appetite to DFA either or both which is the only option beyond just riding them out for the rest of the year. He takes too long to admit certain players are busts (Toro). Just trade Hernandez to the highest bidder and see how the season plays out. M’s aren’t in a position to do much more than that.