With the trade deadline now just a few days away, teams are calling the Giants about their starting pitching, reports Robert Murray of FanSided. There’s nothing to indicate the club is motivated to move any of its starters, but it’s an interesting development nonetheless. Murray also lists the Giants as one of many clubs seeking bullpen upgrades.
The Giants are 56-47, just three games back of the Dodgers in the National League West and currently in possession of a Wild Card spot. That means they are more likely to do some buying than selling, but the interest in their starting pitching might be a function of the strange market this summer. Due to the expanded playoffs and some weak divisions, there are very few clearcut sellers. It’s been speculated that we may see more trades between contenders this year, such as yesterday’s deal that sent Amed Rosario to the Dodgers and Noah Syndergaard to the Guardians.
The Giants currently have a rotation that consists of Logan Webb, Alex Cobb, Anthony DeSclafani, Alex Wood and Ross Stripling. Webb and Cobb each have ERA under 3.50. DeSclafani is at 4.88 but with a low strand rate of 64.8%, leading to a 4.38 FIP and 4.35 SIERA. Wood is struggling this year with a 4.75 ERA but has been much better in the past. Stripling struggled earlier in the year but has a 3.91 ERA since coming off the IL in late June.
Contractually, Webb signed an extension in April and isn’t going anywhere. But Wood is an impending free agent while Cobb is in the final guaranteed year of his deal, with a $10MM club option for 2024 with a $2MM buyout. DeSclafani and Stripling are under contract through 2024, with the latter having an opt-out opportunity at the end of this year.
That’s pushed Sean Manaea and Jakob Junis to long relief roles in the bullpen, both of whom have starting experience and would be good enough for rotation jobs on some clubs. Manaea has a 5.86 ERA this year but a 27.1% strikeout rate and 55.2% strand rate, leading to a 3.98 FIP and 3.74 SIERA. Junis is somewhat similar with a 4.79 ERA but 26.7% strikeout rate and .367 batting average on balls in play, leading to a 4.54 FIP and 3.37 SIERA. Junis is an impending free agent whereas Manaea can opt out of the one year left on his deal after this one.
On top of all those major league options, the club also has more starting pitching currently in Triple-A. Keaton Winn has a 4.47 ERA at Triple-A this year in the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League, as well as posting a 4.09 in his first 22 big league innings. Tristan Beck has a 4.32 ERA in Triple-A and 3.06 ERA in 50 major league innings. Sean Hjelle has a 7.79 ERA in the bigs this year but that’s likely skewed by a .434 BABIP and 51.9% strand rate, leading to a 4.03 FIP and 4.39 SIERA. Kyle Harrison is not yet on the 40-man roster but he’s one of the top pitching prospects in the league.
Given all of those options, and widespread interest in starting pitching around the league, it’s possible the club could line up a deal that sees them move a starter for help elsewhere on the roster. As Murray mentions, the club is looking for bullpen upgrades. Their relievers have a collective 3.75 ERA that’s one of the 10 best in the league, but just about every contender looks for additions to their relief mix at this time of year.
The Giants are also known to be looking for middle infield help, with Thairo Estrada having recently suffered a fractured bone in his hand. MLBTR’s Anthony Franco looked into some potential paths for them, which included some straightforward seller options like Paul DeJong of the Cardinals and Tim Anderson of the White Sox. Some of the infielders on contenders that could potentially be available are Cavan Biggio and Santiago Espinal of the Blue Jays, while the Orioles have Ramón Urías, Jorge Mateo and Adam Frazier. Both of those latter clubs are theoretical fits for starting pitching, which could perhaps lead to some interesting talks.
Again, there’s nothing to suggest the Giants are actively pursuing this line of thinking, as Murray only reports that other clubs are inquiring about their depth. But it’s a logical part of the Giants’ roster for them to use to improve elsewhere. The trade deadline is August 1.
Jake Biggar
Giants should look to add a bat this deadline if they’re going for it since the bat market this off-season is pretty bare. Unless they plan on throwing money at Chapman or maybe Teoscar. They’ll be in the Ohtani sweepstakes too I’d assume but you obviously can’t count on that.
Not sure if subtracting a starter is the best way to solve this problem but we’ll see!
Pete'sView
Trading Manaea for a used tube of toothpaste absolutely makes sense. Wouldn’t mind seeing DeSclafani go for a full tube. I’d hold Wood, Junis and Stripling if possible. Hjelle could go in the right deal.
Giants need a solid #2 or #3 starter more than the infield help, but a Tommy Edman would be a good choice if it comes to that.
just_a_giants_faaan
as crazy as this sounds, i’d prefer a middle infielder (ss in particular is a massive issue) to a starter. we were doing well in the opener + long relief games, and i’d like to go back to that – giving the younger guys a chance – rather than paying exorbitant starter prices and lean on webb/cobb as the main guys. keep three or two, like you said, let the rest go.
Snellzilla #7
@just_a_giants_faaan F the opener/bullpen games. That’s done out of desperation, not because it’s the way to go
just_a_giants_faaan
we have a winning record in those games
Snellzilla #7
We have a winning record wearing city connect jersey’s too. Does that mean we should scrap the traditional jersey’s?
ForeverGiantsFan
Giants need to let Farhan make trades. He’s good at it. Red’s India would be a good bat to add.
dubtastic
would love to see the Giants net India..def gonna cost a lot though
Pete'sView
We already have an excellent second baseman (maybe three if you count Schmitt and Wisely in that group.) India cannot play SS and according to the rumors is a fan favorite of the Reds FO and the fans. I don’t dislike India, I just don’t think he’s a need for the Giants.
ForeverGiantsFan
Estrada might be the answer at SS
Pete'sView
Could be, but I think ultimately Schmitt has the glove for SS with Luciano at 3B. At least now we have choices.
Snellzilla #7
Good at it lmao
dubtastic
or Luciano, never know but I’d like to think there’s a chance..
Snellzilla #7
He’s not good at it and India is injured.
solaris602
Yeah, I don’t care if you soak it in bleach, douse it with Febreze, or spray it with Drakkar Noir, Manaea’s 5.86 ERA stinks to high heaven. And stat freaks can spare me the whole “his ERA is deceptive because….” song and dance. I’ll even accept a toothpaste tube filled with a mystery substance to get him outta the mix.
Mac Attack
Tommy Pham. Ex Mets do well in Frisco or anywhere else.
Pete'sView
Tommy Pham is not needed or appreciated in SF. Remember last year when he slapped Joc Pederson?
Snellzilla #7
@Pete’sView I read an article linking Pham to SF. I thought about how those dynamics would play out. I also remember when Pham asserted his dominance over Joc and Joc just tucked his tail between his legs
thegiantshark
The guy had been stabbed by a drug dealer in a strip club parking lot months earlier, and came to work and slapped a dude. The guy not responding isn’t “tucking his tail” he’s just not engaging with a known psycho who was causing a fight over fantasy football (not during football season).
says a ton that’s this is your tough guy
thegiantshark
dealer in a strip club parking lot months earlier, and came to work and slapped a dude. The guy not responding isn’t “tucking his tail” he’s just not engaging with a known psycho who was causing a fight over fantasy football (not during football season).
says a ton that’s this is your tough guy
Snellzilla #7
Getting/having been stabbed doesn’t make someone a psycho.
Snellzilla #7
Yeah, can’t wait till the offseason, to almost get Ohtani
ForeverGiantsFan
If the return for our starters is strong the Giants should be open to offers. I agree the team needs hitters. India would be a nice addition. Estrada could play SS.
Snellzilla #7
India is injured
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Trade Sean Manaea, sure, why not? The rest are needed for wild card push
Snellzilla #7
Stripling sucks
Captain-Judge99
I just don’t see Logan Webb or Alex Cobb moved by SF at all. I would think every team in the league would want or take either on their pitching staff.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Agree, title should be other teams have interest in Giants’ deposed starters
GSWfanklay
They only use Cobb and Webb as starters now days. Even Discslfani is a long man. Of course in games they use an opener they are something like 12-4 with low 3 era
scottn59c
Yeah, those guys are not for sale. Cobb MAYBE if some team offered an overwhelming package, but Giants need him to compete. The rest of the bulk innings/starters-converted-to-relievers are hot garbage.
Snellzilla #7
Actually this is Cobb’s walk year and he could net us a decent return
foppert1
They have a 10m club option on Cobb.
Pete'sView
Not only that, but I could see the Giants extending him another two years even at his age.
Snellzilla #7
Pete’s View I like Cobb. I would be ok seeing a 2-3 year extension. Farhan refuses to sign ANY pitcher longer than that. For example Logan Webb’s extension was only 3 more years of team control. That’s why I’m sure we won’t be signing Ohtani, as long as Farhan’s around. Unless it’s 10 years from now.
DarkSide830
Save for the fact that this makes no sense at all, it males perfect sense.
GMoney2850
Makes perfect sense. They have a glut of backend types and lots of depth – Beck, Winn, Harrison – in AAA who would project to approximate that performance in the bigs.
Dealing from a surplus to fill other needs
guynamedchris
@GMoney Agreed. The point here would not be about selling off valuable assets, but rather to open up roster spots for guys like Winn and Beck right now.
sfgiantkev1
This makes me laugh because we actually need more Starting pitching. If you can trade Wood, Desclafani, and Stripping, and Villar and Bart I would be happy. Maybe throw in some prospects.
Verlander, Lance Lynn, Flaherty are on the trading block. Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez are off the block
Pete'sView
let’s back off Lynn and Flaherty, please. Montgomery, sure.
Pickle_Britches
Stroman please
Snellzilla #7
I’d like to see Montgomery.
Snellzilla #7
Bart shouldn’t be traded. He’s got light tower power, 114+mph exit velocities. Bailey hasn’t played 3 months yet and the league is adjusting to him. Bailey’s bat isn’t as hot anymore. Sabol is ok, but he’s really not a catcher
its_happening
Please take Cavan Biggio.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
I’ll pass but thank you for offering sir!
tedtheodorelogan
For Manea straight up.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
That’s actually not a bad idea Ted!
Pickle_Britches
Nah lol he’s straight doodo butter
King Floch
It would be pretty funny if the Orioles traded for Alex Cobb after how his previous stint in Baltimore worked out.
Captain-Judge99
It’s okay no worries. Arson Judge comes of the IL tomorrow. It’s a done deal.
baseballknower69
Only to be back on the IL in 4 days bc lol Yankees
Atloriolesfan
Sure, the Os would take him back. Jamai Jones was a top 10 Angels prospect, but the Os prospects blew him away. Cesar Prieto for Cobb works for me.
Pete'sView
Giants aren’t trading Alex Cobb.
Snellzilla #7
Alex Cobb is probably our most valuable trade chip, if the Giants sell.
thegiantshark
Astros or Orioles make a lot of sense for Cobb. I don’t hate it
Snellzilla #7
If we get swept by Boston, then lose the first game to the dbags, it could happen
just_a_giants_faaan
look, man, if the front office can somehow trade the vets so i can enjoy watching beck, winn, and eventually mason black, harrison and whisenhunt pitch instead, then i’d be thrilled
keep one or two of manaea, stripling, junis, and disco, jettison the rest and eat their salary
i’m sure someone will take them
bag o ballz
I am in the same mindset – both beck and winn have shown enough to be there and manaea and wood really haven’t. their roster spots can be used for guys to go back and forth with them and some others in the youth movement. the front of the rotation and the non-long guys in the pen are solid – it is everything in between that can get shuffled
just_a_giants_faaan
totally agree. what have guys like wood, disco, and junis done this season that outpaces what beck, winn, and even mason black (eventually) could do, especially in the long term? like honestly. and the latter group are more likely to be the giants present and future than any of the former group while *still* being able to compete now and shore up a weakness (like the middle infield). if the dodgers can get something for syndergaard, then we can get something for our guys.
Snellzilla #7
Wood needs to stay here and to be starting
sanfranb27
But Manaea and Wood are lefties. Ship the others
Snellzilla #7
We need lefties
King of Cards
Giants should be trying to win not trading off their talent.
Returnthegame
Takes talent to acquire talent. Unloading an arm for middle infield help is exactly what they need right now.
King of Cards
Sure a minor league arm. Not someone who the team needs to contend.
just_a_giants_faaan
i like our minor league arms better than the vets, trade the vets
Returnthegame
They currently have seven big league starters on their roster right now. I don’t disagree with your point, but someone like Junis or Manaea has real value to teams still trying to contend this year.
thegiantshark
Everyone loves the backup QB
Pickle_Britches
As long as it’s not Cobb or Webb yea. All other SP are buns so let em go. They need alot more to compete in the playoffs as I doubt anyone will beat the braves. No sense trying with the lineup they have now it’s terrible. Keep the prospects and hope for a better year in 24 and sign some FA Starters
Pete'sView
King of Cards — The kind of talent (?) we’re talking about trading are the underachievers (Manaea, Desclafani, maybe Wood, though I’d like to have him for the playoffs). Giants aren’t trading Webb or Cobb or any of the young guys (Winn, Harrison, Whisenhunt, Beck).
Snellzilla #7
Or Hjelle
Redwolves3
Zaidi needs to answer any and all calls about DeSclafani, Junis, Manaea, Stripling and Wood. Fans won’t complain one bit if all 5 are traded.
It’s past time to part ways with all of them. They aren’t the future of the Giants.
It’s time for Zaidi to get impactful SP.
wiggysf
Honestly I wanna hold on to stripling, he’s been pretty encouraging the last month or so. The rest of them should absolutely be on the block, because Winn, Beck, and Walker can all go multiple innings and have had success so far. Junis really has no role on this team, and manaea has been an unmitigated disaster, so if any contender wants to roll the dice on either, we should trade them
sacball
Stripling has been pretty good since coming off the DL, can Disco and headcase Wood please be dealt.
sacball
All of this!
luvochka
This is crazy, the Giants need starting pitching, their rotation past the top two has been awful, sure unload some of these guys if you can but then what is your rotation?
Central Valley
Farhan should call the Rays and ask their advice, because Tampa Bay is amazing at evaluating and finding talent, also knowing when to unload their players..
I don’t know how they do it so consistency…
luvochka
There’s always a curve, it just hasn’t caught up to them yet. You could say the same thing about the Cardinals or the As, they’re always good, but eventually being good degrades your draft picks and the quality of your team, unless you’re a big market team, then your problem isn’t a depleted pipeline of talent it’s a roster of aging expensive players…
Not a clever name
Giants have tons of starting pitching, outside of Webb and Cobb none of it good.
norcalblue
Succinct and perfectly stated.
SFBay314
Trade wood. He complains constantly about not starting and he is mediocre. Guy is a dodger through and through.
Trade him for a sack of potatoes I don’t care just get him out of here.
Pickle_Britches
Nah trade him for a bag of stale sunflower seeds. Dude is terrible to watch and his attitude is like a sissified nerd
Snellzilla #7
Speaking of dodgers through and through…
frugalfarhan
Trading Wood now won’t get you much and neither will Disco, Manuar, Junkis or Striptease! Together those 5 are making around 100 million. Not sure the money could have been spent better but also way more sure that these guys aren’t gonna win anything if they are lucky enough to get you to the playoffs. Most likely they keep you afloat which gets you another mid round draft pick and more lottery tickets for Farhan to scratch. Would have much rather just rebuilt and had prospects like the Orioles and Reds to look forward to! Why do people still believe in Farhan?
foppert1
I answered it in the Llovera thread. Enjoy.
frugalfarhan
As a matter of fact I did enjoy that! Very well thought out and I can’t argue with any of the points you made. Believe it or not I appreciate all of the things you mentioned but I’m not sure Farhan is the reason for any of them. I also have my doubts as to whether you can win it all in a highly competitive environment without superstars and one thing Farhan certainly has not proven is that he can acquire/create/find/develop superstars. Superstars are the cornerstone to a championship organization and we have none of them. None want to sign here either. This is not my opinion it is fact. Until Farhan figures out how to get a few superstars in Giants uniforms it will continue to be a mediocre product with all the wonderful vibes and particles you mentioned just no rings.
foppert1
Correa wanted too. They got him but showed the discipline required to reject him. Judge used them. Harper was too early in the process.
I understand the love of superstars you people have but it’s not like they aren’t giving it their best shot. People just assume. Like Conforto. He was an afterthought according to many, when in reality, the Giants were sending him video highlights of his career and little league accomplishments 12 months prior to signing him. They are an impressive organisation. Patience is required. Appreciate the good because there is plenty there. They are 3 games out of first place and holding a wild card spot. They have done that despite a challenging schedule and a thousand injuries. Mediocre is not doing them justice.
sacball
All of this!
Not a clever name
And if they had mookie bets and Freddy Freeman? Because that’s what they are competing with a deep farm system year in and year out with two of the top talents in the league, sometimes more holding down everyday spots. I am all for sabermetics and platooning but if you can pencil in 2 or 3 guys 150 games a year or opens up 4-6 more roster spots to platoon and specialize and Farhad dumpster dive with. And that’s what it takes to keep from being a second or third place team every year for the next decade.
Snellzilla #7
@foppert1 ‘”howed the discipline required to reject him”, lmao! You must be a professional salesperson. With spins like that, it sounds like you could sell a bowl of feces, as ice cream lol.
Definitely some marketing department wording there. Just sayin’
foppert1
I’ve sold a thing or too in my time.
But I disagree. Not succumbing to the pressure of a crying fan base and getting a bit of Mr Popular in your life would take discipline. Especially being that close to shutting one or two of them up. Respect. Tough unpopular decisions made in the public arena require strength and discipline.
Snellzilla #7
foppert1 I understand what you’re saying. But being able to stick to your decisions is a virtue too. Not doing so loses credibility
PKVA
Farhan have you lost your mind? You spent about $52.3 on those 5 for this year not $100 mill nutball…
frugalfarhan
My mind is good you do realize most of those contracts are multi year right? Disco signed for $36 million, Wood $25, Manaea $25, Stripling $25, and Junis is only $2.8. Thats around $114 million total spent on these 5 gas cans. How is that not a huge mistake? Is it really that much better that only half of it counts this year or is it worse that most of these guys are signed through next year?
foppert1
Which one of those contracts is stopping them from making moves or going big ?
Answer. None.
Wood is gone next year. Junis is petty cash.
Manaea, Stripling and Desclafani are $37k total next year. Their sub par performance is not hindering their flexibility in any way shape or form. Mistake ? Sure. Huge mistake ? No chance.
Snellzilla #7
@frugalfarhan Well said
Central Valley
Keep getting younger Farhan…
baseballknower69
Dear every team seeking pitching, you guys absolutely need Alex Wood, Sean Manaea and Anthony Discalfani on your team. Don’t let the numbers fool ya, they can absolutely take your team to the next level. Run, don’t walk for these guys.
– a very hopeful Giants fan
norcalblue
I guess if there is a market for Noah Syndergaard, there’s probably one for Sean Manaea and his ilk.
mostlytoasty
There is no way Biggio or Espinal have any trade value at all.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
Cobb has an 8 mil net option next year (100% no brainer). Stripling has been pretty decent lately. Wood is Jekyll & Hyde (he was the good one last night).
If Farhan can trade DeSclafani, Junis and/or Manaea, he should go for it. The Giants have Winn & Beck to take up slack plus I really think Farhan will trade for an ace.
agnes gooch
Hi Wilmer! Don’t worry, Z has this in in the bag if he can find compatible partners!
Snellzilla #7
Lol agnes cooch, you wish. Remember, this is the same guy who promised us Aaron Judge. “We won’t be outbid”, lmao
Snellzilla #7
ag I’m sorry you like to be miserable. That must not be a pleasant existence. But, as a Giants fan since the 70’s, I’m not going anywhere. Cope harder
Snellzilla #7
@agnes gooch We can tell you have a crush on Farhan, you didn’t have to tell us. Personally I’m more interested in seeing the team be good, than senselessly crushing on millionaire celebrities, who don’t gaf about anyone but themselves. I guess we’re different people.
As far as spreading love, that’s actually exactly what I do. I run multiple social media pages dedicated to spreading positivity, inspiration and love. Many people recognize that about me. Nice try with the hyperbole personal attack attempts, over nothing more than a simple difference of opinion though.
You’ve proven yourself to be exactly what you’re trying to make me out to be. That behavior is typical of narcissistic abusers. Have you done any inner work, looked into therapy, any of that? Just speaking from honest legitimate concern, my friend. *Hugs* <3
agnes gooch
Get help FireFarhan, you seriously need it
17dizzy
Cobb would be a good trade target for the Cardinals.
just_a_giants_faaan
cobb is not the type of guy they’re thinking about trading.
Snellzilla #7
Cobb is exactly the kind of guy they’re thinking about trading
17dizzy
Cobb would make a good trade target for the Cardinals.
gravel
cobb is not the type of guy they’re thinking about trading.
Snellzilla #7
Cobb is exactly the kind of guy they’re thinking about trading
RadioPirate
The only way they’d deal Cobb would be if they were selling and IFAIK, they ain’t selling.
Snellzilla #7
If they get swept by Boston, then lose the first game to the dbags, it could happen
Central Valley
The Dodgers are now attempting to get Arenado, come on Farhan..
Snellzilla #7
While Farhan’s thinking about what snack will taste best next
biffpocoroba
The fact is that these other teams wouldn’t be calling Zaidi if the Giants had definitely told the league their SP wasn’t available. Given the arms they have in Sacramento, and their need for one innings-eater veteran SP , 1-2 RP’s, and a run-producing bat, I could see Farhan making several deals.
Then again, since it’s Farhan, I could see him doing nothing consequential as well.
Snellzilla #7
Farhan f’n sucks
17dizzy
Cobb would be a good fit for the Cardinals.
sfjackcoke
This is a weird market, with the LAA not only keeping Ohtani off the market, they’ve gone and taken one of the top starters off the market in acquiring Giolito. A market already VERY short of arms had a top one taken off, hence people asking SF about their surplus
I think the Giants may end up buyers and sellers, I somehow see them getting Eduardo Rodriguez from DET and then flipping one of Stripling, Manea or Wood, maybe 2 of them,
That said, they need a shortstop/middle infielder ASAP. Crawford’s knee just hasn’t been right all year to count on him even being the strong side of a platoon. Schmitt’s glove is ready his bat is not. Luciano is here to help get wins right, he improves the 26 man roster but the bat is ahead of the glove. Thairo Estrada can’t get back fast enough, DeJong makes a lot of sense.
In general I’ve been on board with most of what Farhan has done, the one exception was not matching TOR for Gausman, he wanted to stay.
Snellzilla #7
The Gausman slip was huge. Could sure use him this year
giacgara
Giants need to get a solid starter and send the lesser ones away in separate deals. Figure out a way to get a Verlander or Scherzer or like, and send a Stripling, Wood or Manaea plus whatever for MI.
Snellzilla #7
Shouldn’t have sent Gausman packing