The Rays could use some starting pitching and apparently have some interest in Cubs right-hander Marcus Stroman. On the Onto Waveland podcast with Brett Taylor, Sahadev Sharma and Patrick Mooney, they relay that the Rays aren’t currently in on Cody Bellinger but are “doing homework” on Stroman. (Discussion around the Rays starts around the 29-minute mark.)
It’s fairly logical that the Rays would be interested in Stroman, who has a long track record of big league success and is having an excellent season. He has a career 3.55 earned run average in 1285 2/3 innings dating back to his 2014 debut. This year, his ERA is down to 2.88 through 20 starts. His 21.3% strikeout rate and 8.8% walk rate are both close to league average, but Stroman’s always been a ground ball specialist and his 58.4% rate in that department is his highest since 2018.
Despite Stroman’s contributions, the Cubs aren’t having a great season overall. They are 45-50, putting them 7.5 games back of the Brewers in the National League Central with the Reds in between, and seven games back in the Wild Card race as well. Perhaps a hot streak in the next week or so could change the calculus, but it seems fair to expect the club to consider selling off some players who aren’t part of their long-term plans.
Stroman has one more year left on his contract, set to make $21MM next year, but has the ability to opt out and return to free agency after the current campaign. Given his strong results, it will be a fairly easy decision for him to trigger that opt-out and secure a larger guarantee on another multi-year deal. He has been quite candid about his desire to stick with the Cubs via a long-term extension, but the club reportedly doesn’t share his same enthusiasm to work out a new deal. All those factors seem to point to Stroman being traded in the coming days and he was placed in the #6 slot on MLBTR’s list of top deadline trade candidates.
The Rays could use another starter, given that they have dealt with multiple significant injuries to their rotation. Shane Baz had Tommy John surgery last year and was known to be a non-factor this year, but they have since lost Drew Rasmussen and Jeffrey Springs to season-ending surgeries with Josh Fleming seemingly set for a significant absence as well. They still have a solid front four in Shane McClanahan, Taj Bradley, Tyler Glasnow and Zach Eflin, but each of those pitchers except for Bradley has been on the IL this year, leading the club to deploy bullpen games at various points.
Getting another starter into the mix would strengthen the overall group for the postseason push, but acquiring a rental could be a logical move for the Rays. Each of their four current starters are still under contract or under club control for next year. Baz could rejoin the rotation going into 2024, with Springs and Rasmussen potentially coming back in the middle of the next campaign as well. Getting a short-term fix would require the club to send a lesser return the other way, compared to a pitcher with a longer window of control. The Rays have already been connected to impending free agents like Jordan Montgomery, Jack Flaherty and Lance Lynn, the latter of whom has a club option for 2024.
Stroman would also fit the bill, given his ability to opt out of his deal this fall. His ground ball tendencies would also be a good fit for a Tampa club that generally has strong defense. The Rays collectively have 16 Defensive Runs Saved from the shortstop position, the best mark in the league. Their 10 Outs Above Average at that spot are second only to the Cubs. Their tallies at second and third base are a bit lower but still above average. Their first base marks are subpar, but it’s still a solid group overall.
It’s worth pointing out, however, that Stroman’s opt-out does complicate his trade candidacy slightly. As mentioned, he’s currently looking like a lock to exercise that opt-out in a few months, given his good numbers on the year. But there’s always the risk of that situation changing after a deal. If the Rays were to acquire Stroman and he then suffered some sort of injury that would carry into next year, perhaps he would decide against triggering that opt-out, instead just taking the $21MM that he already has in hand.
Some clubs might be fine with taking that risk, but the Rays are one of the lowest-spending clubs among contenders. A $21MM salary might be a drop in the bucket to some clubs — but not to Tampa Bay. Their highest-paid player this year is Eflin, who’s making $11MM. They also have a big spike coming up next year, with Glasnow’s salary set to jump from this year’s $5.35MM to next year’s $25MM, a big financial outlay they made in order to push his free agency back by one year.
Per Roster Resource, the Rays have already committed $74MM to next year’s club, just shy of this year’s $78MM payroll. That’s before even factoring in arbitration raises for players like Randy Arozarena, Harold Ramírez, Jason Adam and others. The Rays often find ways to save money in the offseason by trading players with significant salaries, but they are currently trending to have a larger payroll next year. Although Stroman is likely going to be opting out, the Rays would be taking on at least some risk of an extra $21MM being added to that equation.
Any team acquiring Stroman would be in a similar situation, but most would have a bit more financial wiggle room. He is still likely to generate plenty of interest regardless and has already been connected to the Astros and Blue Jays. The trade deadline is on August 1, less than two weeks away.
nottinghamforest13
The site is clearly desperate for content and clicks. Used to be a landing pad for high quality, insightful articles and updates.
“Team that is competing for a playoff spot may have some level of interest in a quality arm likely to be traded before the deadline.”
Stunning information.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
I mean, it is a rumor that was reported by another site. This is like Wikipedia in the sense that it aggregates information from other sites. It’s a rumor site. Readers do provide revenue by indirectly helping with advertisers, but this site does have some good content. At least, this isn’t the Darragh McdDonald stuff like “You Won’t Believe this Pitcher’s Turnaround Season” clickbait.
nottinghamforest13
Fair enough. McDonald’s content, so-called, gets increasingly hacky.
Hemlock
“On the Onto Waveland podcast with Brett Taylor, Sahadev Sharma and Patrick Mooney”
Umm…who? The what?
rondon
The biggest homers around- and I’m a Cub fan.
Appalachian_Outlaw
Did you read beyond the headline?
They provided information on Stroman’s contract situation, as well as the Rays payroll situation moving forward. Darragh also provided some analysis on fit. All of that is insightful information.
I’m not sure what more you’d want? It’s a free baseball rumors site that does a great job providing content.
James123
i agree on both fronts- it is sort of a “duh” point for the headline, but they do break stroman and the complications with trading for him down in a reasonable way.
That said- Stroman and Erod= 2 of the maybe top 5ish SP trade targets have tthe same issue.. Top 5 are ohtani, giolito, Montgomery, stroman, Erod…. there may be someone i am forgetting- but Ohtani is going to demand a monster return, so teams are going to be more likely to gamble that they do not get stuck with a bad option for Stoman and Erod- or end up overpaying on giolito and Montgomery.
SalaryCapMyth
Nobody making you stay.
I’ve been on these boards for quite some time and this sort of article is as common as it gets. It’s also entirely in line with their site name.
I think people just like to complain. If they don’t have a good complaint than they will develope one.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
I guess Nottingham didn’t have any previous grudge against Stroman for some legal issue a decade ago to complain about, or the organization(s) involved having no morals for employing/being interested in acquiring him, so we got this instead.
Steve Rogers
I keep reading that the Astros and Yankees are interested in Bellinger but never what the Cubs would receive in exchange. Those teams farm systems are barren of top prospects. What the Cubs don’t need is an outfielder. With prospects PCA, K. Alcantara and Shaw there’s no room. So like every major league team they need pitching. Nobody is going to trade a top pitching prospect away. Therefore, write your hearts away and dream of screwing the Cubs. It’s not happening…period!
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Nobody is going to trade top pitching for a rental guaranteed 20 million over a year. Now, maybe a top 300 prospect and a top 200 prospect could go to Chicago for him and lots of cash.
BrianStrowman9
Glasnow’s $25MM salary will prob not be paid out by TB next year. Seems like a prime off-season mover for them.
acoss13
Agreed. Tampa will find a buyer and get a decent return. 25 million dollars is a drop in the bucket for a lot of other teams.
James123
I am not so sure- TB abd Baltimore are 2 of the top teams in MLB without anyone making much money; so that may be the new plan for a lot of teams moving forward.
For the Os, Chris Davis’ defered money makes him the 4th highest paid player, and Gibson as an inning eater is making 10m to be the highest paid. Frazier at 2nd (both position and as the 2nd highest paid player) is a spare part now they may flip for something if they like Urias at 2b and Mateo as the UTINF.
acoss13
True, this season has proven that spending big doesn’t necessarily pay off. The Reds, Rays, Orioles are in the hunt while the big spenders like Padres, Mets and Phillies aren’t really doing anything. But 25 million is a lot for Tampa, I still expect another team to get a deal done for Glasnow.
BrianStrowman9
Fits the Rays MO to move glasnow in the off-season. They don’t like to get nothing but a comp pick back for their guys. They’ll get a lesser arm and work with him and probably get 6 years of production out of him. (Until they inevitably injure the pitcher anyway)
Samuel
I wouldn’t sell short on the Phillies in 2023.
ccahoe02
There is zero chance glasnow throws a pitch in a rays uniform next year. Margot is almost certainly gone as well
Wheeler Dealer
Stroman and Bellinger aren’t going anywhere if Cubs can get to 500 by Aug 1 book it
jade 2
If the Cubs go 8-3 and get to .500 – the Brewers are still 10 games above .500
The Cubs probably need the Brewers to do some losing too.
kma
They will have to go 8-2 to get over .500 on July 30. Schedule is against Cards at home for four games, two at the Sox, and four again with the Cards in StL. That’s a tall order plus the Reds have to beat the Brewers this weekend for the Cubs to make up ground.
MattLaCasse
I’m a Cubs fan and lemme tell you. “if” is doing a LOT of work in that sentence.
LordD99
Marcus Stroman: Have ego, will travel.
Bill M
So true. He keeps saying how much he wants to stay in Chicago. Once he’s traded, you’ll be able to count the seconds he’ll be badmouthing them.
mlb fan
“Bad mouthing them”…I wish I could say that wasn’t true, but I just can’t. Carry on gentlemen.
James123
He is literally the best journeyman SP of this generation. Has anyone else been this consistently good, but never locked up long term anywhere?
its_happening
Some teams don’t want the baggage.
This one belongs to the Reds
I’d be surprised if most teams haven’t at least checked out the rumor he may be dealt.
Jason Hanselman
It would be curious to see if a me-first player like Stroman could mesh into a group that realizes it’s about everybody. I would expect some friction between him and hard-workers like Randy Arozarena and Wander Franco who know the game is more important than showing up your opponent.
drasco036
As soon as Stroman is mentioned, the haters come out of the woodwork!
HatlessPete
They sure do. Him and TA both lately. Gets me wondering what the motivation really is there…
kylelohse
Hmmmm, in the comments section on this site, and an intelligent outspoken black man. Wonder why the haters might come out…
Jason Hanselman
When a person highlights the work ethic of a Cuban and a Dominican player pretty sure the beef isn’t about race. I am, however, not surprised that when a person cannot refute the childish antics of a player who has held back good teams that they make it about race. Good luck with this guy. He’s only out for himself in a game where team chemistry is not a myth.
HatlessPete
@kyle ya I think we’re on the same page here.
@jason “childish antics” huh? Nonspecific value judgments don’t exactly give the impression of an unbiased perspective dude.
PizzaForBreakfast
“Wander Franco who know the game is more important than showing up your opponent”…..
Franco?
Slider_withcheese
Tampa won’t even make the playoffs. It’s best they just sit this deadline out and try again next year.
fljay73
Time will tell about that. There was always that skid that can happen & the Rays are currently in that skid but it has nothing to do with the pitching side of things (look up the Rays pitching stats).
Samuel
In a 162 game season all teams have winning and losing streaks. FO’s know it. Managers know it. Coaches know it. Players know it.
Only fans read into these things.
Orioles had a bad losing streak about a month ago. Rangers played poorly before the All-Star break. Crummy teams went on winning streaks. So what?
James123
yup, and fans will see the sky falling when there is a 4 game losing streak. It happens. That is why teams want an ace, to end it at 4 games. It only gets scary when you are losing a lot.
Right now the Rays only have to worry if they fall enough during this skid to be fighting over a wild card rather than a divisional title.
sonorawind
“…..the Rays are currently in that skid but it has nothing to do with the pitching side of things (look up the Rays pitching stats).
I don’t get why writers aren’t getting this. They clearly havent been following the Rays all season. It’s HITTING, not pitching, that has collapsed on the Rays. But they keep regurgitating the same old story about the Rays loss of pitching when Baz and Springs were basically gone the whole time they were hot. Rasmussen hasn’t pitched in almost 2.5 months. Yet the Rays kept winning until the last three weeks when the hitting dived. I was shocked when the Rays didn’t add any bats in the offseason and was even more shocked with the way they hit for 2.5 months. But they are now hitting as expected, to me. I say add Bellinger at first, move Yandy back to third and have Paredes play 2nd, with Walls as the defensive option at 2nd and 3rd. Get Brandon Lowe’s flailing bat out of the lineup!! He needs a change of scenery. Package him.
Four starters like Glasnow, Eflin, Mac and Taj is better than many playoff teams have. The Rays pen is pitching well, too.
GO GET MORE OFFENSE!!!
BrianStrowman9
They’ll need a #5 at the least to finish out the year. They’ll probably want to watch Taj’s innings. Their depth has been obliterated by injuries.
CleaverGreene
However, they do need pitching, starter and BP, add a ‘spark’ with a cheap bat.
mlb fan
Texas too was skidding for awhile, but seems to have recovered and righted the ship. I think Tampa will too and I’d be surprised if their skid knocked them out of the playoffs.
sonorawind
I think they will make the playoffs, too. But their offense won’t cut it, facing playoff caliber pitching……..just like last year! (one run in 24 innings!) If they don’t trade for more offense, then Margot, B. Lowe and Walls have to really pick it up. That’s possible with Margo; unlikely with Lowe and Walls.
Bellinger would be a good fit. A power lefty bat to replace B. Lowe. Both Diaz and Paredes have played those respective positions before.
James123
i agree- out of the division title- maybe, but playoffs not likely.
As it stands now they had a super hot streak to start the year, and this streak to offset it- and played about what they were in the middle. Is this a 100 win team- not likely. Is this a 90-95 win team- likely. Most teams shoot for a 90 win season since that is a playoff team 95% of the time (it does happen that a 90 win season is out, but with the wildcard change, i am not sure if it really happens anymore)
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Ok Cubs: Pay the rest of Stroman’s 2023 salary, add Fulmer and James Triantos and get Junior Caminero and Colby White.
johncal25
Colby White is already in Chicago!
fljay73
Not getting Junior for only rentals. Rays probably look at him as a SS & sliding Wander over to 3B or the other way around. Rays could also trade Wander down road also especially when they also have Carson in the system.
StusFirstDollar
I’d bet some serious $$$ that Carson ends up at 2B
James123
Junior is likely the 3b- not the best glove, and not likely destined for SS long term. Mead also makes a good case for their ss of the future- but looks destined for 2b.
If i were trying to win next year and get a controllable asset for stroman now- i would be willing to talk about a trade built around Aranda and ______; and then ask for Joey Ortiz (really their version of Aranda) and _____; and take the better offer for the 2nd piece. The Os are in more need of a playoff rotation arm- the Rays just need an inning eater… the Os with the current line with a playoff 3 man rotation are going Wells, Bradish and then rolling the dice on guy with an ERA well over 4 like Kreamer or Gibson (or praying that Grayson figured it out in the minors).
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Is Aranda really going to be any better than Mastrobuoni? I like both of them, but until this week against the AAA-quality Nationals Mastrobuoni has been really poor at the plate in multiple call ups?
I agree with the idea of Joey Ortiz, though.
Brosseau's_Revenge
Depending on who they give up I like this for the Rays. And Stroman lives in Tampa so I wouldn’t dismiss a longer term play, especially if they move Glasnow in the offseason. Rays have more $ to play with now than at any point in their past.
Rays thought process always fun to watch. They’ve committed $182M or so to Franco and are loaded at the SS position on the farm. Franco and Manzardo for Ohtani, Neto and Quero?
StusFirstDollar
Put the crack pipe down there’s children here
James123
Crazy trade idea- and i think it actually would make some sense- but TB seems happy to just keep putting out playoff level teams and not pushing it all in on any given year- so i doubt they would do it.
I think they have the pieces without Franco to get Ohtani if they want. Mead, Junior, Walls, Aranda, and a bunch of other prospects. On a strictly value for value trade (and not the Ohtani hype trade that is likely to happen)- I think the Rays and Os have the best shot without giving up an mlb regular or super prized prospect. (os would start an offer with Joey Ortiz, Connor Norby and Stowers, the Rays with Aranda, Manzardo, and Basabe…… neither team would need to touch their top 3 prospects to offer 2 top 100 guys and another top 150 that is mlb ready)
kenly0
Manzardo has struggled this year, but he’s exactly who the Cubs need. I’d swap Stroman for him in a heartbeat
Yanks2
This guy is a clubhouse cancer. The Rays are too good and have too good of a team chemistry going to invite someone like Carlos Gomez into their team
C Yards Jeff
Do they have good team chemistry?
Story right here a month or so ago about having to sit Franco for a couple of games due to incidents during the course of the season with teammates.
This stuff happens in every clubhouse but not heard of because it gets handled in house among teammates typically through the team captain. Not a good sign when the Manager and POBO have to go public with this.
its_happening
StroME is a good pitcher. He wants to win as long as the spotlight shines bright on him. He’s also trying to build his own brand. Tampa would not boost that. A good landing spot for any pitcher looking to win right now.
Wheeler Dealer
As a Cubs fan I’m glad the Cubs didn’t give him a LTD He’s a powder keg waiting to go off if things go badly, ride him all summer and act disappointed when he leaves
SalaryCapMyth
I would be interested in what Stroman would think about being traded to Tampa. He is looking pretty hard for an extension and that isn’t USUALLY the Rays way of doing things. I wonder if he would prefer to get traded to a contender that MIGHT extend him. He doesn’t have much say in the matter and perhaps he should be happy enough being moved to a contender unless he really does want to stay with the Cubs that much.
dankyank
Am I the only one who feels as if there’s always a carousel of injured SPs in Tampa? Their opener strategy was developed in response to a shortage of starters in 2018.
Samuel
Like the Rays, but they burn their pitchers out……
Then again, they’re a trendsetter. Happening all over MLB this year, as winning is now all about a teams bullpen.
CardsFan57
Oh yeah Cardinals, drive that Stroman ERA up. Make Monty the more attractive rental pitcher.
NickGarren
Rays got kids in AA and AAA that might be worth it. They are loaded with talented prospects
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Marcus and Mark Leiter Jr. For Mason Montgomery and Evan Reifert. Who says no? Just any fyi I don’t know anything about the Rays Prospects. Would the Cubs be able to get more? Or would this be an overpay? I also would like the cubs to get players that could help within 2 years not 5-6 years.