The Orioles’ 5-3 victory over the Rays today extended Baltimore’s lead over Tampa Bay to two games, and continued a dream month for the upstart O’s. Between Baltimore’s 13-6 record and the Rays’ 4-14 record in July, the Orioles have completely wiped out their 6.5-game deficit from the start of the month, and now look like genuine World Series contenders. Even with this big surge, it remains to be seen how the O’s might approach the trade deadline, as ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that according to executives on other teams, the Orioles have thus far looked like “measured buyers” who are “willing to deal from position player surplus to upgrade pitching, but not perceived to be fishing for big, pricey deals, at this point.”
Should such a stance continue through August 1, Baltimore fans might not be pleased, as the fanbase was already annoyed enough last summer when the O’s dealt Trey Mancini and Jorge Lopez at the deadline rather than make a push for a playoff spot. (Of course, landing Yennier Cano from the Twins has made the Lopez trade a lot more popular in hindsight.) Obviously selling isn’t on the radar for GM Mike Elias this year, but that also doesn’t necessarily mean a blockbuster move is in store. Since the Orioles’ core of young talent is so promising, Elias might not see 2023 as the time for an all-in type of trade, especially considering that the O’s might not yet have decided which of their many star prospects they see as building blocks, and which might be trade chips. Of course, history has shown that lower-level deadline trades can often lead to postseason success just as easily as a headline-grabbing transaction, so Elias can pursue plenty of avenues as he looks to put the final pieces to an exciting young team.
More from around the AL East…
- During an appearance on The Front Office on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM, Red Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom reiterated that the club was looking for starting pitching at the deadline, as well as a left-handed hitting middle infielder. Enrique Hernandez, Yu Chang, Christian Arroyo, and even part-time second baseman Justin Turner all swing from the right side, as do the injured Trevor Story and Pablo Reyes. Story’s return from the injured list should give the Red Sox more clarity on their muddled infield picture, yet there’s also a chance Boston could both buy and sell at the deadline, as the club did last year. To this end, pending free agent Hernandez could be expendable, and The Athletic’s Fabian Ardaya writes that the Dodgers would have interest in a possible reunion if Hernandez was open to more of a part-time role. Whereas Boston has too many right-handed bats, the Dodgers have a surplus of left-handed hitters in the outfield, so Hernandez could add both lineup balance and positional versatility as a player capable of working in multiple positions — essentially his old role when he previously played in L.A. in 2015-20.
- X-rays were negative on Danny Jansen’s left forearm after the Blue Jays catcher was hit by a Bryan Woo pitch in today’s game. Jansen was hit in the fifth inning and remained in the game until the seventh, and the Jays announced Jansen’s injury as a forearm contusion. It seems like Jansen will be day-to-day for now, though the Blue Jays could be shorthanded behind the plate until he is ready, since the Jays’ next offday isn’t until Thursday. Alejandro Kirk figures to be the starting catcher in the interim, with Tyler Heineman a call-up possibility from Triple-A, or Daulton Varsho perhaps an emergency catcher if Jansen only misses a game or two.
- In a pair of Yankees injury updates, Gleyber Torres also left today’s game due to left hip tightness. The issue isn’t serious enough at this time to require any tests, and manager Aaron Boone told The Athletic’s Chris Kirschner and other reporters that Torres was already feeling better postgame. Since New York doesn’t play on Monday, Torres might well not miss any game action after a day of rest.
- Nestor Cortes will begin a rehab assignment at Double-A today, the Yankees announced. Cortes hasn’t pitched since May 30 due to a strained rotator cuff, and the long layoff suggests that he’ll need multiple rehab outings before returning from the 60-day IL. Cortes struggled to a 5.16 ERA over his first 11 starts of the season, but if he returns in his 2021-22 form, he’ll provide a major boost to New York’s rotation in August.
Elias is so close to the vest!!!
You won’t know kw what he and Ziggy the Super Computer are doing until they donit
End of June/early July, I was in the camp that the Os MUST do SOMETHING to address the rotation.
Fast forward 30ish days, and I say stand pat – at least in terms of going all in on a TOR type of guy. The SP has held up really nice. Grayson’s two outings post recall are encouraging. Wells last two starts have been meh – he may be hitting a wall and need an “IL” stint to rest up and conserve innings.
All that said, maybe just add a really solid BP arm or a cheaper (trade capital wise) mid rotation guy and just roll with it. It’s worked up until this point. Two game lead in the ridiculous AL East, which is INSANE. Think about where this team was two years ago n
There is something to be said about not messing up a good thing. New personalities could be toxic to the current make-up. It’s working, let it keep working.
The problem with a young team like the Orioles is the players don’t have multiple full seasons under their belts. How many times have exciting young teams fallen apart in September as the long season starts taking it’s toll? The Orioles would be wise to pick up a solid #4 type pitcher or two on an expiring contract with a history of health to give their staff some extra rest the last couple of months. Also add a versatile bench veteran with a bit of playoff experience. Jurickson Profar and Jordan Montgomery would be good options imho.
They have veterans on the roster with Adam Frazier, James McCann, and Ryan O’Hearn that are experienced and provide that veteran stability. Not sure where John Means is but he should be close to returning.
But many a GM has died on the hill of “wait another year for our young pitching to be ready”….
Poisoned: But maybe they are emerging?
As I said Grayson looks like a whole different pitcher with his latest call up.
Kremer has really emerged after a shaky start to the season. Arguably their best SP of late. People forget he was really solid last year.
Bradish has also been very good. He’s not talked about and vastly underrated.
Gibson is doing what he’s done his whole career. Gives you innings as a solid 2 or 3 type.
Wells is another story. After being great all year, minus his HR rate, he’s faltering of late. He may need his innings managed.
And for that reason they need to bring in another SP. Rich Hill is in anyone’s price range, and he’ll eat innings and keep you in the game. I’d be surprised if they even checked in on the STL starters.
How many players really get to choose their playing role?
Blue – I think when a team considers acquiring a full time player to fill a part time role a couple months before he hits free agency, it’s important the player is on board with it. Nobody wants a malcontent on their team.
Fever.. As awful with the bat as he’s been all season? Should be rarely used P/T by the Sox.
Also see 0 trade value, consider pro rated portion of 10m for this season and he’s a DFA (hope soon) candidate.
Hernandez, a potential malcontent? Even I could accept that characterization of the player, I think you make my point for me. With his production he can’t expect to be a full time player now, let alone one of the few who gets to choose his role.
I’m sure LA just wants to be sure that he’d accept the new role, and not be a cancer in the clubhouse. I would think moving from Boston to First Place LA would make a man happy.
Styme – Depends what they value more, winning or money. Yeah he loves LA and they love him, but does he love them enough to devalue his earning potential by 50%? I guess we may find out. I still say he comes up huge in the postseason, if he gets there.
does he love them enough to devalue his earning potential by 50%?
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He won’t devalue his earnings potential. Other GMs pretty much know exactly what he is by now. If anything, a change of scenery and playing on LA will likely increase his value. A guy like Brasier is likely to land a legit, albeit cheap offer this off-season for having joined LA.
There’s no guarantee that LA will end the season in first place. They did last year, but not the year before. Even if they were to do so, their postseason choking is legendary
Playoffs are a crapshoot kid. Now let the adults here talk and you go sit in the corner and be quiet.
Playoffs might be a crapshoot, but it’s a safer bet if you’re opposing the dodgers, as has been proven, year in and year out.
@iverbure so sorry my comment got under your skin so deep 🙂
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A cancer in the clubhouse? Are we talking about the same Enrique Hernandez?
I see about a 0% chance that Ki Ki would be an issue. In fact, I’d make a decent sized wager that he’d take the next flight out and run to the stadium if he had to.
Not sure what else the O’s need to see to invest.
There are literally no LH middle Infielders the Sox can get that will do anything for them. Odor? Nicky Lopez? Brendan Donovan? Jace Peterson?
Donovan will come at too high an asking price and the rest don’t move the needle at all
Rsox – Can someone explain to me why they are searching for a lefthanded bat when their entire starting OF and both starting corner IF are all lefties? That’s 5 out of 9 for those that can’t count, what am I missing here?
Don’t forget McGuire when he comes back. I don’t get it either, honestly we need guys that can field their positions more than worrying about what hand they hit with
Rsox – I was including McGuire/Wong along with Martin/Duvall in the 4 RHB’s, to go along with the two RH middle infielders.
So why would Bloom be unhappy with 5 LHB and 4 RHB for the primary starting lineup? The majority of pitchers they will be facing are RH, so I would think 5 LHB would be ideal.
The only thing I can think of is if the price to get some SP they want involved mlb level talent headed the ither way that upsets the L/R balance somehow.
It’s a stretch, but, it’s one of the few things that would make sense
Can someone explain to me why they are searching for a lefthanded bat
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I presume it is because Chang, Ki ki, Arroyo & Story are RH. All things being equal, if you could flip one of them for LH equivalent, that would make sense.
The Red Sox need to just jettison Cora’s BFF, Kike. Cora has coddled that guy for the past two seasons and Hernandez barely qualifies to be 25th man on the A’s.
what am I missing here?
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Yeah. What MLB-R reported is not what took place. What MLBR wrote was:
“During an appearance on The Front Office on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM, Red Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom reiterated that the club was looking for starting pitching at the deadline, as well as a left-handed hitting middle infielder.”
But the tweet that MLBR references says:
“Chaim Bloom CBO #RedSox just shared with us they are looking for a starting pitcher at the trade deadline. The Red Sox could also use a LHH middle infielder to best balance their roster.”
By putting the period after Bloom saying we need an SP, it suggests that Bloom did NOT say that he was looking for a LH MI.
I don’t understand what the Sox are saying about their needs. Boston does not need a LHH middle infielder. They have 5 starters who bat LH already in Devers, Casas, Verdugo, Duran & Yoshida. That’s more than enough LHH for them to match up well against tough RHP and they will have another they can deploy once McGuire comes back from his injury.
If you have all LH batters in the OF, as the Sox do with their starters (the outgoing Duvall aside), then you want a RH batter on the OF bench to come in and pinch hit when needed who can stay in the game and play the OF (Refsnyder). Same with the INF–if the bats are all RH, then you need a LH on the bench to pinch-hit for an infielder from the right side and then play the position (reminder: Reyes bats right). So the comment that the Sox need a LH bat looks strange at first, but makes a certain positional sense.
I’d like to think most of the teams in MLB have finally taken off the rose-colored glasses when looking at Odor. Whatever problem you have, he’s not the solution. I’d rather see them roll the dice on Nicky Lopez if they have to choose one from that bunch.
*Orioles comment* I think Elias would be open to adding a controllable TOR starter but I don’t know of any actually available. It’s all rentals. Last year, Luis Castillo and Pablo Lopez were obvious pieces but this year it’s unclear. Cease would be obvious but is apparently not available, maybe Mitch Keller (if available) knowing the Pirates’ history? There will be a lot of guys in the FA market or maybe they trade for 1 year of Corbin Burnes in the offseason but there’s just nothing obvious at the moment.
Stroman?
100% agree with this take. If Cease were available, he’d be the guy I targeted, but that also means all other contenders would too which would drive up his asking price.
If Elias could pull off Burnes in the off-season, I’m all about that.
wbz: I’m not sure Stroman classifies as TOR, at least in my view. He’s a 2 or 3 to me. Talented for sure, just lacks year over year consistency to be TOR.
Player option for 2024 so essentially a rental with added risk
why would Milwaukee trade its TOR pitching when they are battling for first place?
You must not be familiar with the Brewers. See last year.
Nobody mentioned trading for Burnes at the deadline though because they already said they wouldn’t do that again. He will only have 1 more year left before FA though and he’s been unhappy with their front office so I’m confident he will be available…in the offseason.
stymeedone: like another poster said, the MKE front office totally pissed off Burnes during this past offseason arbitration negotiation period. It got personal and ugly. The have zero chance of signing him to a contract extension, so might as well get something for him other than a draft pick.
Max Fried??
Could be a good option to consider this offseason
Trade for a rental then. Duh
I think Kyle Hendricks would be a nice, quiet pick-up for the O’s. Seems just their style and he has postseason experience.
Cubs need a 3b. Wisdom is sketchy there they need 3b help.
My O’s just need to get me a solid starter for the rotation. Bradish and Wells have done very well so far, even if they don’t have the most consistent track record. Kremer, Gibson and Grayson are a toss up at this point for what you get in a start.
Say what? Bradish, Kremer, and Grayson might be the reliable ones. Wells has been junk for his last two starts.
I questioned the moves last deadline and was wrong. I questioned this past off-season moves and was wrong. Been a great month but shows how fast things can change so I hope they do something to improve but I’m gonna trust whatever moves are or aren’t made
Go – How do you know they made the right decisions last trade deadline? If they had bought instead of sold maybe they make a deep postseason run. Nobody knows.
Considering last year’s deals of Mancini and Lopez enabled Bautista to step into the closing role where he’s thrived, brought in Cano who acts as a bridge to Bautista, and added multiple pitching prospects in Povich, Johnson and McDermott I’d say it’s worked out well. They would have needed to add multiple starters and possibly a bat to challenge last year — way too expensive at that time.
Fever: Judging by the returns on the trades last year, looks like the Os were buyers…at least in Elias and the rest of their FO eyes. It’s all about perspective…
Fever: The trades they did make were excellent. Should they have made others? That is moot.
GoRav114;
I realized how good the Orioles organization was last year. Led by Mike Elias and Sig Mejdal they delegate, empower people under contract, believe in those they continue to employ (including players), and have patience with everyone. It shows in the way they’ve been winning this year – it’s never a core of 3-4 players carrying them, it’s laterally different players pitching in each day
and seems like a different hero each game – tough to strategize against.
I believe the O’s are now established as one of the top quality organizations in MLB – along with the Braves, Astros, Dodgers, and Rays….with the Phillies walking in and out of the door.
Winning in Rotisserie League is trading for the right players whose statistics are going to get hot. Winning in MLB is developing your own players to take actions on the field that help their team win each day – particularly the pitchers. The overall general players statistics may or may not show that….probably won’t.
The O’s continue to baffle the media and most fans that don’t understand the actions the FO takes. Since most of them obviously don’t watch the games, we’ll have to wait until the playoffs before they’re tune in and possibly the light will go on…..with some of them. By time the Hot Stove heats up late in 2023 they’ll be back looking at their spreadsheets, waiting to appoint next seasons Padres, Yankees, Mets, Blue Jays and other big spenders that make glitzy moves as 2024’s powerhouses.
LOL Phillies included on this list,
I was going to post – oriole fans .. trust the process. Trust Elias. You’re in first place because of the process.
“Now for the daily Yankees injury report…we will return to regular programming at the top of the hour.”
Think the yankees should trade every prospect and glayber for Soto.
Yankees are not getting Soto unless some team takes Stanton. Yankees need to learn from the Orioles and build from the draft and do better at player development. Yankees would have no dynasty without the core 4 plus Bernie.
mlbnyyfan;
It’s a lot more than “build[ing] from the draft and do better at player development”. It’s having workable philosophies that all support staffs understand and agree with, being patient with players, and building off their young players strengths instead of forever harping on their weaknesses (although high priced veterans and pet prospects can do whatever they want).
And having a fan base (or lack therof) that can tolerate years of absolute tanking. The yankees will likely never undergo a teardown and rebuild like the o’s just did.
The Yankees don’t have to. They can just buy buy buy
Yes Samuel! Teams used to have their own styles and identities. Now it’s cookie cutter platoon players and moving anyone to a COF position, even though every team has a DH.
“Build from the draft”…In the last 12+ yrs the Yankees have replaced over 45 yrs of seasoned, veteran scouting, training, pitching and batting experts to bring in younger, new-age analytics “gurus” and clearly, the Yankees haven’t accomplished much since.
The Orioles built their current team through high first round draft picks, which means they were one of the worst teams in baseball for 5+ consecutive years. Somehow, I don’t see NY following the same path. Sure they can draft and develop better than they do, but the talent available in the Top 3 picks of most drafts is superior to the talent selected with the 20th – 29th picks in the first round.
“In the top 3 picks”….Not really disagreeing with your central point, but the Dodgers show an astute, nuanced organization can get talent just as good drafting last or nearly last every yr.
The Orioles best player was drafted at #42.
Look at how well the Dodgers have drafted while being one of the winningest teams year in, year out. It’s untrue that winning teams can’t draft future high-quality major leaguers.
The current Orioles are not built on high draft picks. Hays, Mullins, Mountcastle and Rodriguez are from the GM Duquette era. Wells and Santander are Rule fivers. Frazier is an FA. Cano and Bradish and Vavra via trades. Urias and O’Hearn from off the scrap heap as are several bullpen pieces.
So far from the high draft pick era, Rutschman is huge and Henderson is getting there. The jury is still out on the Westburg and Cowers of this group.
@dorothy
The O’s only key contributor that was drafted in the top 5 currently is Adley Rutschman.
Go around the team and look—-O’hearn was a deal for cash. Urias was a FA signing out of Mexico. Henderson was drafted later than the “20-29th pick” Hays was a 3rd rounder. Santander was a R5 pick. Cano was a secondary piece in a trade. Mullins was a late pick. Frazier a FA. The whole rotation currently was not drafted early w/ the exception of Grod, who has not been an impact player for us thus far. Bautista could’ve been plucked out of our system as a R5 guy.
That’s a false narrative at best. Once the top 5 picks all arrive and start performing the team gets that much better.
There was only one year when the yanks built from the draft: when they lost close to 100 games and Steinbrenner was suspended. Other than that year, the Rule 4 draft has never really been their thing.
The Os “build from the draft?”. First place team with 4 key players (Adley, Gunnar, Hays and Baumann) that they drafted, although GRod will become key and Mountcastle might get back there.
They’ve got a wave of drafted talent coming, but they’re the best team in the AL BEFORE it hits.
Best record in the AL, 3rd lowest payroll, the prospects and the financial ability to get any player out there, and we’re gonna sit with a thumb up our hoop. I just love the Angelos family dynasty
This guy gets it
The team is doing its part. Now it’s time for ownership to step up and do something. It can’t always be get em next year. The team is in first place in the best division in baseball. This is a legit contender and making a big move could mean a championship. That’s a big deal.
It’s a shame if that happens because nothing is guaranteed for 2024, no matter what team we’re talking about. If you’re this close, ya gotta grab for the brass ring. At least do something! Don’t just sit there.
Yeah just try. Make a real effort. Use the money you didn’t spend last offseason and make a move.
Nobody is trading Jackson Holliday that’s obvious. But last time I checked the Orioles had 8 prospects in the top 100. You can trade 1 or 2 for a shot at winning it all in 2023.
I think they will. But I also don’t think they’re going to sacrifice anything beyond depth pieces. They aren’t going for a “window”. And that’s the big difference between how you (and so many others) are thinking and how Elias is thinking. Elias has stated his goal is a perennial contender. No way they can pace NYY in payroll. So they have to develop and trade. We’re just getting into the competitive phase, so they aren’t going to trade 10% of future WAR (or whatever) for a slight bump in the 2023 playoff run.
With all the Os prospect capitol they don’t have to settle for rentals either
Rotisserie baseball?? You’re really dating yourself there Samuel. I bet ya Gunnar Henderson doesn’t even know what that is.
Huh? Roto is still HUGE, whether you call it “fantasy” or something else.
Baltimore is good enough to be in 1st place in the AL East. playoffs are a crapshoot. Why deal players with 6 years of controlled salary for a very slightly better chance at a chip. If you are talking about adding Ohtani, I agree take the chance, but a hard pass on trading high end prospects for mediocre rentals.
Why do you assume the team has to make a bad trade in order to make a trade? You made that part up in your head. Every year teams make deals at the deadline. That’s what winning teams do.
Baltimore has an enviable farm system that has a ton of middle infielders and lacks high end starting pitching beyond Grayson Rodriguez. Seems you can probably let someone go to get what you need there. Yes you have 6 years of control, but there are only so many positions.
Exactly. They also have an extra outfielder perhaps but yes middle infield for sure
There is also an issue of team chemistry. Folks complained all off-season about the Os not acquiring more pitching, but they stayed the course and are now #2. Adding outsiders doesn’t always work.
Yes I am sure an ace would screw up team chemistry. Lol.
Once again Elias’ approach is exactly right. They need one more bullpen arm and a mid level starter to take some innings away from the young guys that are at risk of wearing down.
As good as Wells has been he may be tiring already so maybe he moves back to the pen for the last two months. He’s a proven reliever and this will cut back his innings…
The item says “a pair of Yankees injury updates” and then only updates us on Torres. Mark must have been in a hurry to get to the chat.
There was an update on Nestor as well.
Ah, so there is. He confused me by putting it under a separate bullet point rather than also under the one that talked about a “pair”.
And it is funny how the iPhone tries hard to keep me from typing the word “bullet”.
O’s vs. Braves is the dream matchup
News flash: O’s fans are happy.
Zero Orioles fans were upset we traded Lopez and Mancini. Those trades made sense.
What was frustrating is right after the trades when Elias said ‘they’d be targeting a big splash in FA’ and then we did nothing different financially.
But overall, Orioles fans don’t criticize anything Elias does because he is GOATED.
I agree – nobody is upset at Lopez and Mancini not being on the tea this year.
We missed Jorge at the end of last year. But that was our Jorge Lopez. Not the twins version. That deal was obviously a huge W.
Maybe we get Jorge back this off-season and fix him. I would think he’s a non tender candidate by MIN.
The O’s have the luxury of time. Their young core isn’t going anywhere, so they can afford to not go crazy this deadline. Kne school of thought says they are pretty close as is. I would target two starters and perhaps one other bat that can be had for a reasonable price.
O’s might not make many big moves at this deadline. The big moves might happen with some arbitration-eligible players this offseason to make room for the guys knocking on the door. Not saying they will do this. They MIGHT do that.
What they do need is a top starting pitcher or two. What they also have is a ton of depth with position players.
I still expect Elias to trade surplus veterans for pitching prospects. Organizational pitching depth is the Orioles’ true weakness at this point. The team seems inclined to sort through GRod, Irvin and Means (when he returns), for the final rotation spot.
With Ortiz needing a longer look and Kjerstad, Mayo and Norby all close to the majors, the only real imperative is to sort through the position player logjam.
I just don’t see the Orioles making a move beyond picking up middle relief in exchange for a low to mid level guy on their prospect list who probably wouldn’t have much of a crack at the team. Moving a high level prospect for a big splash just seems extremely unlikely.
The problem is, I don’t think they have the horses (SPs) to make it down the stretch. Regression and innings are catching up to Wells. Kremer has gone from bad to average, but will it stick? Will Grayson Rodriguez build on two fairly positive starts since coming back up? That’s pretty shaky my friends. A stretch fade to finish out of the playoffs is still possible, though you have to look at the chasing teams and see they’re also dealing with their own issues, injuries, etc.
I don’t see them making any moves for offense, I think they are happy with depth and their platooning. Hopefully they stay healthy.
One player can make a difference. In 1996, a .500 Orioles team traded for Eddie Murray and ended up making a stretch run to 88 wins and a wild card. And I don’t trust the process for anyone ever since Syd Thrift said “give me 3 years” and was bragging when the Orioles hit 63-63 in August…only to go 4-32 down the stretch and Syd didn’t make it back for a 4th.
This is exactly how I had hoped we would approach the trade deadline. Don’t want rentals, don’t want to give up any top prospects. Sure up the bullpen, add a mid starter maybe…and ride it out.
Don’t get it twisted.
The Orioles fans are PLEASED!
You can’t wipe the smile off the faces of the Orioles fans.
Don’t be bringing up old weird revisionist history stuff.
In Elias We Trust
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Bickford sucks.
Bickford for a bag of peanuts would be a good trade.