The A’s stadium drama has been one of MLB’s biggest storylines of the past couple months. The franchise has already expressed its hope for getting a deal done in Las Vegas that’d allow them to relocate out of Oakland within the next couple years. They’ve entered into a pair of land purchase agreements for potential stadium sites in recent months, but the franchise’s biggest hurdle — a public financing agreement with the Nevada legislature — has yet to get off the ground.
Reports on Monday suggested the organization was likely to formally put forth a funding proposal by the end of the week. That still hasn’t happened, and multiple reports yesterday indicated potential reluctance on the legislature’s part to meet the A’s ask. The franchise’s as-yet unofficial proposal is expected to call for $395MM in public funding via Clark County-issued bonds to be paid by tax dollars related to the stadium project. Initially, the organization was set to pursue $500MM in bonds before revising their anticipated ask after changing their target stadium site.
Even that “diminished” $395MM figure seems to be beyond the legislature’s comfort. Both Mick Akers of the Las Vegas Review-Journal and Tabitha Mueller/Howard Stutz of the Nevada Independent reported yesterday the legislature wasn’t keen on the $395MM price tag. The respective reports present differing details on precisely how large the gap between the organization and state is.
The Nevada Independent suggests the legislature is mulling an approval of $150-195MM in tax credits, which would leave a $200MM+ gap on the organization’s desired figure. The Review-Journal pegs things more closely, reporting that government officials are willing to commit $320MM in financing. That’d be a much smaller but still not insignificant $75MM shy of the A’s goal.
Akers writes that the A’s formal financing proposal is now not expected to go in front of the legislature until sometime next week. Lawmakers are only in scheduled session through June 5, leaving a small window for a deal to be approved before the session is set to close. The governor or 2/3 of the legislature can choose to call a special session to continue negotiations beyond June 5 if necessary, Mueller and Stutz note.
In any event, there’s an increasing sense of urgency for the organization to accelerate talks. The franchise is hoping to build a 30,000-seat retractable roof facility with an estimated $1.5 billion price tag on the south end of the Vegas strip. Just over $1.1 billion would be paid by the A’s under their expected proposal, with the $395MM in public funding accounting for the remainder of the costs. It’s to be seen whether either side will budge on the funding discrepancy (however large it is at present) to get a deal done.
Under the 2022-26 collective bargaining agreement, the A’s have until next January 15 to sign a stadium deal somewhere if they’re to retain their status as recipients of revenue sharing. It’s clear the organization hopes that’ll be in Vegas, though there remains some chance they turn their focus back to Oakland if talks with the Nevada legislature fall apart.
Rsox
My advice to the people of Las Vegas; don’t by season tickets just yet.
Fisher is playing a game with Oakland and Vegas and it seems like one he’s probably going to lose. Best case scenario maybe they convince the Raiders to share their already built stadium (unlikely) but a $200 million dollar gap is no small feet to overcome. Old Navy is going to have to sell a lot of sweaters at Christmas to make this happen
desertdan
@Rsox- I live in Vegas and there is ZERO chance the Raiders share Allegiant stadium with the A’s. It does appear that Gov. Lombardo wants the A’s here and should get something done to bring them here
Pads Fans
Mark Davis HATES John Fisher. He blames Fisher for the problems they had getting a new stadium in Oakland. As the saying goes, he wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire.
Governor Lombardo said he would not call a special session to give the A;s more time, so it really doesn’t seem like he does want them there.
IHLgulls
One of the most dim-witted takes I’ve ever read, congrats.
Rsox
How do you figure?
ChiSoxPain
Because the Raiders didn’t go to all of this trouble just to share another stadium with the A’s… definitely not happening.
Rsox
I did say it is “unlikely”. Point being the city isn’t giving them the $200 million difference they are asking for, and Fisher is not going to pony up the cash himself so sharing a stadium makes sense from a cost standpoint (and only a cost standpoint). In this conversation alone we have one commenter saying the governor wants the team and will make it work and another saying the exact opposite and in reality a $500 million dollar stadium in a place not likely to get money back on the return seems like a bad investment
ChiSoxPain
I have no idea what Nevada will end up doing or how much they actually want the A’s, I’d still bet on Vegas over Oakland…but I do know an MLB team will never share a stadium with an NFL team ever again. Those days are over.
Rsox
In that you are probably correct. What was an ingenious idea in the 1970’s doesn’t work in todays sports landscape
ChiSox cubPunkers
Well with the hundreds of millions they’ve saved on payroll the last 20 years, I’d say A’s ownership is sitting pretty
CravenMoorehead
Tbh I wonder how much they spent on plumbing after seeing raw sewage spill out into the dugouts numerous times 🙂
Pads Fans
Nothing. The A’s refused to pay to fix that problem even though that is part of their responsibilities according to their lease. They also have not paid to have anyone come and get rid of the possums that live in the stadium.
They pay only $1.2 million in rent each season and their lease is up at the end of next season, so the Coliseum Authority is certainly not going to put out any money at this point.
outinleftfield
Seriously? WTH!
Pads Fans
sfchronicle.com/sports/athletics/article/coliseum-…
The A’s replaced broken seats with folding chairs last season. LOL
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
Remember when lockdown happened and almost INSTANTLY Fisher said “Ok im not paying any minor league staff at all”. He was first in line to say it. A billionaire refusing to pay what is essentially minimum wage. John Fisher is an absolute loser in every sense of the word. A’s are never winning with him as the owner, ever. He will die before that happens.
StupendousYappi
MLB really should reconsider this deal and ban all gambling sponsorships while they are at it. I’ve seen so many games tanked by players this year it’s pathetic. Earlier this year there was an outfielder on Baltimore he dropped a lazy fly ball in the outfield with 2 outs in the 9th and then Boston ended up winning it. Pitcher for Baltimore put the ball right down the center of the plate and of course it got clobbered. Anyone could have knocked that ball out that was disgusting.
I noticed a lot of delays during games as well and I believe they are figuring out where all the money is going and then they go the other way. The other night Padres lost to Kansas and then they lost again to them. Give me a break, I know there is no integrity in sports anymore that is obvious but this kind of stuff is destroying the game for people like me. If they actually allow an MLB team to go to Las Vegas there is no coming back.
YankeesBleacherCreature
That shipped has sailed with legalized gambling. If you correlate all fielding errors and pitching mistakes to players cheating, then there isn’t much left for you in baseball.
StupendousYappi
Go watch the highlights you will see they tanked it on purpose. Casino refused to refund my bet too. I did get a $10 food voucher tho because I raised hell over it.
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
Californian voters (including me) keep voting against expanding gambling. Love that we are allowed to vote on the issue. There’s simply no difference between gambling and alcoholism. We should hard ban it nationwide, its so useless to society. Do literally anything else with your time and you’re doing better by yourself and everyone around you.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Lol. To the extreme, both alcohol and gambling are bad. However, the majority of adults can moderate themselves engaging in these forms of entertainment. A federal ban on either isn’t going to make them go away. The tax revenue generated will. They’ll just go underground like the old days.
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
Then let them. Gambling is entirely useless to society. Name one benefit. Booze at least makes some people temporarily more funny.
The corruption part is by far the worst part that everyones conveniently ignoring…
Hired Gun 23
Las Vegas will be the home of the A’s, sooner or later. This is all part of the negotiation process. For now, just enjoy the AAA’s and their scrappy style of play. Hahahaha
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
Its not “scrappy”, its exciting offense with sleek, elite talent like Ruiz, Bleday, Rooker (leads MLB in lots of stats) and Allen (Ozzie Smith 2.0), paired with the worst pitching staff you’ve ever seen. Get it right
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
Almost forgot: Ryan Noda has been playing everyday as a rule 5 select and still has a .400 OBP, nothing “scrappy” about that, that’s pure elite zone mastery, its being highly skilled at hitting in a way teams play big for, nothing more or less.
Even Clemente took until age 27 to whip out that OBP, although Noda is also 27, he’s in his first year and the Pirates eased Clemente into the game from age 21-26.
Pads Fans
Hey guys, did I miss it or did you? Seth Lugo was taken out of his start early on the 16th and is expected to go on the IL today.
That is much more important than anything John Fisher does.
websoulsurfer
That happened yesterday. Seems like that would be a rumor worth reporting on.
Tom
The A’s—and all major sports teams—should get $0 of public money for their stadiums. They should pay or finance every dollar it costs. They are private businesses. If any team receives tax-payer dollars, then the percentage of the amount of funding that is provided should be returned to the tax-payer coffers in perpetuity. If the A’s take $395M in public money for the $1.5B ballpark (about 26%), then for every dollar of revenue generated by that ballpark (ticket sales, merchandize, parking, etc.) the taxpayers should receive 26 cents forever.
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
Exactly right. Billionaires can literally afford to build a stadium out of their own pocket, so make them. So sick of this wave of Elon Musks who do nothing and expect everything and get it. “I need your tax dollars help” – you have literally a billion dollars, get lost idiot.
Old York
Move them back to Philadelphia. Should never have left. And bring back those old school unis.
zacharydmanprin
Also, bring back polio and segregation and the draft.(sic)
Old York
@zacharydmanprin
That’s why I like old school baseball. Modern baseball is quite boning and lacking in quality.
Starters pitch 2 games of 4 innings total and then go on the injured list for half the season.
Hitters play half the season in the field and then the other half on the IL or DH.
All the outcomes are either, HR, Strikeout or Walk. Sure, they’ve brought back SB, but it isn’t like it once was when runners ran wild. Teams still like those 3-true outcomes.
zacharydmanprin
Congratulations. This is the dumbest thing on the internet today. You are completely unhinged and detached from fact and reality.
Old York
@zacharydmanprin
Sorry to hear you’re having a bad day, today. I hope you have a wonderful weekend!
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
I love the part how fans simultaneously say “Ptichers who dont have high K rates are trash and not MLB level” then say “Hitters are striking out too much”.
You cant have it both ways, either hitters are going to strike out 200 times a year, or pitchers are going to have low K rates. Such a moronic hill to die on.
You are never going to be happy ever as a fan in this game.
CravenMoorehead
Anyone remember when the Athletics had their home opener delayed in 96 bc of the Raiders returning and the construction of “Mt. Davis”?
The A’s ironically played in Las Vegas briefly and were delayed making their Oakland debut until April 19, seven “home games” into the season.
zacharydmanprin
I still remember sitting in the seats while they were doing construction. The workers said it was the best job they ever had. 4-5 hours of ‘work’ while they watched the A’s play. That ‘96 team hit a ton of HR so the construction workers were busy in the outfield.
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
If you remember back before 96 then you remember the Coliseum being known as one of the best parks in the game with the prettiest views and best scoreboard/sound system. Google if you don’t believe me. That park was gone after the Davis rebuild. Wild how badly the Davis family hurt the A’s.
marcfrombrooklyn
One thing that I don’t think I’ve seen here that was raised in the Ballpark Digest articles about the A’s stadium deal is that reported size of the Tropicana-Bally’s site–nine acres–is too small for a ballpark with a retractable roof. The two smallest current ballpark sites are Fenway and Target Field at around eight acres each while the roof at T-Mobile Park alone takes up nine acres alone when retracted from over the field. So, the reported deal doesn’t add up Something more must be involved that hasn’t been reported.
DanUgglasRing
The A’s should stay in Oakland and Fisher should be relocated to the moon.
Pads Fans
I am thinking Bakersfield. The moon is too scenic.
Old York
@Pads Fans
Oh, man. Bad memories of Bakersfield as a child. Someone, please remove that place from Earth.
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
Prison. He belongs in prison for stealing wages.
luca brasi
The bottom line is that John Fisher doesn’t have the money to build a stadium and no one is going to lend him any money unless he puts the team up for collateral; and I don’t think major-league baseball bylaws allow him to do that. The logical next move for Fisher is to sell the team. Does somebody with real money, who is committed to building a stadium in northern California. Public financing is just not going to happen in this day and age.
DanUgglasRing
Isn’t fisher like the 4th wealthiest owner in MLB?
Pads Fans
Not close. His GAP stock fell by a billion dollars in the last 2 years and other than the A’s and his share of the San Jose MLS team, he really has no other assets he can leverage.
Outside of the A’s, but including his shares of GAP stock, Sansome Partners investments, and the San Jose Earthquakes, his net worth is $656.77 million as of May 2023 according to Forbes.
Including the A’s, his wealth ranks 17th among MLB owners.
DanUgglasRing
Yeah I’ve always been a little struck about how nice the quakes stadium is compared to the coliseum but obviously one is much newer construction than the other. Seems like perhaps at one point he could’ve got this done anyway.
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
Fisher was, but like many right wing rich guys, they got destroyed by lockdown 2020 when everyone worked from home and then everyone got better paying jobs than he was offering.
outinleftfield
My daughter’s college roommate from UNLV is in the Nevada State Assembly, the lower house of the state legislature, and she told my daughter that she will not vote for more than $150 million, but that a few members of her party are willing to go as high as $195 million including the Floor Leader. She is in the majority party in the assembly and represents a portion of Las Vegas/Clark county.
It is looking more and more like the A’s are not moving to Las Vegas.
StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings
I literally wrote this in the other thread but will repeat it for fun:
John Fisher is far too incompetent and corrupt to get this deal done, and Las Vegas the city itself, has also a billion red flags as a MLB site. Look at that sham of a AAA team.
San Jose should have been the place all along. Just build one there and MLB will put a team there and tell SF to get lost. Like, what is even the worst thing that could happen to MLB here? The Giants cant sue MLB for this, but if they did, MLB would kick them out of MLB. Just move the A’s next to the Sharks, tell the coward loser Giants that they can have the whole east bay instead of the south bay, and call it a day.
RDOZ
Dont give in Nevada. Let him buy the Rio for $1 and finance his own park. A stadium on the strip would be an eyesore and nuts on traffic which is already a problem