Rotation plans for the Red Sox in the near term have come into focus recently, as manager Alex Cora told reporters (including MassLive’s Chris Cotillo) that right-hander Tanner Houck is likely to start the club’s game against the Orioles on Wednesday, though that could change if he’s needed out of the bullpen before then.
This doesn’t come as much of a surprise, as reports ahead of the activation of righty Brayan Bello from the 15-day IL last week indicated that the club could go with a six-man rotation at least through the off-day on this coming Thursday before transitioning to a five-man rotation that would likely leave Houck as the odd man out. Still, Cotillo goes on to note that the club does have other options: righty Nick Pivetta could be moved to the bullpen instead, or Bello, who was shelled for five runs in 2 2/3 innings of work in his first start coming off the IL, could be demoted to Triple-A.
Of the six members of the Red Sox rotation, Houck has actually been the best starter this season in terms of performance. In 21 innings of work, Houck has posted a solid 4.29 ERA, 11% better than league average by measure of ERA+, and a nearly matching 4.26 FIP. His strikeout (25.5%) and walk (9.3%) rates are largely in line with his career norms, as is his BABIP (.283). The most significant change from previous seasons for Houck in the early going this year is his groundball rate. Houck entered the season with a career groundball rate of 49.3%, but in his four starts this season, that figure has jumped all the way up to 58.9%, good for sixth in the majors among players with at least 20 IP.
While Houck’s start this season is encouraging, Cotillo notes that his success in a multi-inning relief role last year, when he posted a 2.70 ERA in 43 1/3 innings out of the bullpen, makes him a natural choice for the move. Meanwhile, Smith notes that Pivetta has resisted suggestions he could be ticketed for the bullpen after some early season struggles. Pivetta has yet to finish the sixth inning this season in a start and has posted a 4.58 ERA over 19 2/3 innings this season in spite of a deflated .275 BABIP that helps to explain his more worrisome 5.19 FIP.
Even in the event that Houck is ultimately sent to the bullpen, Boston brass will have to make another tough decision when lefty James Paxton returns from the IL, which he could do fairly soon. Paxton, Cotillo notes, has never appeared out of the bullpen in his career and struggled badly out of the bullpen in a rehab stint this season, allowing seven runs in less than an inning of work. With Paxton an unlikely bullpen candidate, the Red Sox are likely to once again be left to decide between a six-man rotation and bumping either Pivetta or Bello from the group when the veteran lefty is ready to be activated.
Moving Hauck to the pen would be idiotic, so that is exactly what they will do.
After Saturday night’s performance, in which Whitlock was unusually hittable, I’m still wondering if we will hear that he is injured. That would add to the calculations of who’s in, who’s out.
Kluber or Bello should be the one moved to the bullpen stop being a dumba$$ cora
If I could, I’d do an overhaul and change the entire rotation outside of Sale who hopefully just needs time and work. His last start aside, the team’s starters have overall been horrible.
And who would the 4 starters be to fill out the rest of your roster?
Does it really matter? They got Mayer because of a bottom finish. Either compete or rebuild by protecting those you believe in. Bello has the stuff but may not be ready. If the team chose to sign often injured players, finding other bodies won’t be hard.
Hell ya it matters! Do you really think an already disgruntled fan base would be ok with Sale and a cast of nobodies or rejects? That would be the death knell for the Red Sox nation.
When it comes to paxton, put him in the pen as the sacrificial guy to be shelled when a game is out of reach.
Or just DFA and put him on waivers.
You don’t make the rotation weaker just because he was a stupid signing and picked up a player option. It’s $4m. They’ve wasted way more than that in the last 4 years.
Besides, getting good long looks at the young arms is worth more than anything paxton would contribute, even if he puts up 4.00 era starts which early results aren’t promising for.
This team is what some of us said they were this offseason. Figure out the future arms, don’t upend the process for paxton.
GASox – Even if Bloom didn’t already dump a load of cash on Paxton, the guy still deserves a chance to show what he can do. And with his age and medical history, he probably wouldn’t adapt well to a reliever role.
FPG – I will need to actually see Paxton on a MLB mound before I will start thinking about his role. Fool me once….. fool me a couple dozen times…..
Agreed.,
Go with the young guys that have upside.
KD – I agree, but the one rehab relief appearance could indicate that psychologically Kiuber isn’t cut out to be a reliever.
It’s like how some relievers always pitch awfully when they come in during the middle of an inning.
Baseball is 90% mental, and the other half physical.
Kluber should be moved to Worcester
I doubt Cora makes any of these decisions by himself.
AITSTYW – Based on what? So you think his best buddy’s son playing is being forced on him from above? Seriously? He’s lucky to fit through the door with his ego. Any bench guy who has the balls to tell Sale how to pitch isn’t taking orders from above. He still has video of himself telling the owners about the Video Room cheating scheme in 2018 so he does WHATEVER he wants.
KD: Teams have big coaching staffs and analytics departments. I doubt managers make decisions by themselves. MLB never uncovered any evidence of cheating when they investigated the 2018 Red Sox. Mookie recently said it was an infrequent thing. No cheating could have occurred in the postseason because MLB put a monitor in each team’s replay room.
AITSTYW – First, do you know how many people are in the analytics department of a MLB team? It’s not as many as you might think.
As far as the 2018 cheating that Cora did….. Have you ever watched a murder mystery where a guy speaks up about a cartel or the mafia and then recants his statement? Multiple sources were interviewed by the Athletic and then each Red Sox employee recanted their comments. You don’t have to be Dick Tracy to figure out the who done it when you have a convict leading the charge in a similar caper.
The cheating was minimal compared to the Houston cheating that impacted up to 90 games but it was still significant enough that games could have been impacted during the regular season. Most detectives don’t believe in coincidences and the fact that Cora was in Houston and Boston when both teams were accused of cheating speaks volumes to the chances that he was dirty in both cases. The Players Association prevented justice from being done and of course it helps to have a lame commissioner. He needed to sweep the scandal under the rug as fast as possible before it became his legacy. There has been no justice with regard to either scandal. Just a minor slap on the hands and a make-up kiss when it comes to Cora. What a joke!!
When I see Cora I always see an orange jumpsuit!!!
AI – As a follow up in 2022 here are the top teams in baseball and bottom teams in baseball for analytics personnel.
Rays – 37
Dodgers – 29
Phillies – 27
…..
Rockies – 5
White Sox – 5
The As with the lowest payroll had 8.
Dodgers and Mets with the highest payrolls had 29 and 26 respectively.
Six of the thirty teams had less than 10 employees.
Eight of the thirty teams had over 20 employees.
Now break down the areas within the analytics department and how they work with the coaching staff and then tell me who has the final say on the field? Yes, Cora has many advisors but he reports to NONE of them.
It’s his call because his job depends on his choices, or at least it should!!
KD: Sounds like you have not read MLB’s report about the investigation of the 2018 Red Sox. Manfred himself was interviewing people. Despite that and months of investigation, in their report, MLB said they have a “factual dispute”, “largely have no direct evidence” and “no written record, recording or other contemporaneous evidence of the underlying events”. If there was any evidence, the facts would not be in dispute. The conclusion of cheating “on at least some occasions” was clearly based on speculation as MLB’s investigation failed to document a single occasion of cheating by admission, eye witness or any other means. I don’t believe the anonymous sources The Athletic claimed to have.
AITSTYW – I read the breaking news as it happened. I read as each Red Sox employee backed down from their statements to the Athletic. Reading fiction made up by Manfred seems meaningless to me. He gave 3 clowns a 60 game sentence for cheating on up to 90 games. He gets absolutely no respect from me after dishonoring the memory of all those players in MLB history who didn’t cheat.. He’s a politician not a commissioner. He lies for a living.
Do you even remember the details of how all the 2018 cheating was uncovered then covered up?
Lets review the sequence of events. The Athletic goes to print on a scandal related to the media room when multiple employees of the Red Sox organization tell them about the way Cora had designed the system to work. This was a follow-up to the Houston Astros scandal involving the same Alex the Cheat Cora.
During the Astros investigation the MLBPA insisted that no player talked without their supervision of the discussion. The commissioner was looking to be a protege of Selig (the liar) and wanted to save baseball yet again by ridding it of sign stealing so he initially went after the story with vigor.
Once all sides were heard, the proof of the Astros cheating was documented by players because the commissioner gave them amnesty. Then the Red Sox got a break because the names of those testifying were leaked to the public and the players were vilified. Thus, all those who testified initially to the Athletic reporters saw the consequences of having their names leaked and took the fifth instead of coming forward and helping to clean up baseball.
So basically, the cat was out of the bag and the Players Association pushed the cat back into the bag and pretended nothing happened. The Red Sox weren’t indicted like the Astros because the eye witnesses clammed up so there was no official proof. Just the words that were shared with the Athletic reporters.
Would Red Sox employees be motivated to make the facts up about what Cora did to put the Media Room cheating scheme in play during the 2018 season? It certainly doesn’t seem anymore likely that the witnesses made up the story (lied) than it would seeing an eye witness to murder come forward and then change their minds when their family is threatened by the people doing the crimes.
If you want to naively believe those people were all mistaken and came to their senses, that’s fine. I don’t. They were coerced out of their testimonies just like in normal life outside of baseball.
So does that mean it didn’t happen? Only to a fan who is ok with closing their eyes to the truth.
So if you don’t believe the anonymous sources and the detailed accounts documented by legitimate reporters with the Athletic, then next time you read something on this site, just ignore it. It’s the same type of liars that made up the Red Sox cheating scandal.
You’ve heard the phrase “if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it’s a duck” haven’t you? The updated version is “if it looks like a Cora, cheats like Cora, then it must be Cora!!”
KD: Anonymous sources are nothing. They could be made up. The other part of this is that The Athletic’s reporter Evan Drellich may have had an axe to grind with Boston. He could not last at many places in the Boston market (NBCSports Boston, Boston Herald, WBZ-TV Boston, MassLive.com). Drellich was also the reporter that David Price was screaming at if you remember that incident after a game in 2017. Drellich also worked for the Houston Chronicle before Boston and didn’t last there either. Even if you disregard this, I think you are crazy to believe anything from an anonymous source.
Houck is the best pitcher on the team right now. Pivetta has scuffled but pitched better last time out. Kluber’s been terrible, Whitlock has been a mixed bag and we’ll see how Bello does today.
Whitlock is better suited for the bullpen and the bullpen is better when he’s in it
Can’t wait to see how Bello does today against the Crew with that 16+ ERA! We’ll take every opportunity to win series, thank you very much…
Bello is out pitching Burnes so far. Troll somewhere else.
You posted 10 minutes too soon.
This post aged poorly
The Red Sox crushed the Brewers 12-5 today and won 2 out of 3 this weekend. You’re welcome.
What does that have to do with the conversation?
Kluber is the one that needs to go.
This years team isn’t winning anything, so why not develop guys like Bello, Whitlock and Hauck?
TBH, I wouldn’t mind them trading Sale for prospects either.
They’ll probably ride him until he breaks down. The Klubot is clearly outta gas, but he isn’t injured, and for that reason I think they’re just gonna leave him alone in the rotation.
What prospects are any team giving up for Sale? Let’s also take into account how much of that contract they’re going to have to keep for anyone to take him
If Sale pitches a couple more games like that last one all sorts of teams would trade for him. He’s only got one more year on the books.
No, they won’t. He’s still on the books for this year and next. Nobody is taking him without the Sox eating at least half
And? Then eat half,. Who cares?
What point are you missing? It’s ok if you disagree but you don’t even seem to get it.
Dump him get a couple of mid-level prospects, and let the young guys pitch.
Definitely not. Too early. If Sale pitches like last time, Fenway is electric regardless of their record. Wait until the deadline unless you fear another injury.
Too early for what?
Red Sox aren’t winning this year and Sale could get hurt tomorrow mowing his lawn. If you’re gonna rebuild, do it right.
“Sale could get hurt tomorrow mowing his lawn.”
Fair point
I can’t believe people are advocating for paying Sale another 57 million dollars over the next 2 years.
Yeah no thanks, I don’t want Chaim Bloom shopping for more mid-level prospects. Here’s an idea: hang on to Sale, let the losses pile up and collect those top 5 draft picks
“let the losses pile up”
You’re arguing against yourself.
You are exactly right, but a lot of people have a hard time understanding trade value. Every GM in baseball knows exactly what the Sox know. There is no prospect haul coming for Sale.
Bloom will keep Sale till he walks as a FA just like he did with XB, JDM, and Eovaldi. He will value those 4th rd picks.
Did I say “prospect haul” or” prospects”?
I am not expecting a “haul”
I am talking about getting rid of him and his salary for “prospects”
I think you’re the one not understanding trade value. I am talking a salary dump for whatever they can get.
XB huge overpay, miss him but not for that much. I loved JDM while he was here, but I prefer Turner over JDM as he can play 1B, 3B while JDM is strictly a DH these days. And while Eovaldi pitched good to great for us he clearly was looking for that next pay day.
Add getting rid of Bloom and the coaching staff and I’m in agreement. This franchise is going nowhere fast with the same lousy decision makers in charge.
You clearly arent watching the games.
There are five comments thus far, three mentioning Tanner Houck. Of those three, one managed to spell Houck correctly. Impressive.
Even more impressive is derailing a baseball conversation, on a baseball website no less, to talk about the correct spelling of a players name.
Bravo.
It was a very well-written comment about nothing though… Everything was spelled perfectly.
Spelling queen in the house yall
Houck is an above average piece in a rotation. Basically, he is a mid 3’s to 4+ ERA guy in that role with 1.2+ WHIP. He certainly is more effective out of the pen seeing a lineup once, but the tradeoff isn’t all that much on a team with bad pitching.
If we had viable, talented, consistent, and durable alternatives to replace him this would be a non-issue. He would go to the pen. We don’t. We are already forcing Bello into the rotation when he would have been much better served pitching out of the pen for his first full season gradually building his usage as a multi-inning guy, and gradually increasing the difficulty of his situational use.
There are no real answers to fixing this staff other than huge, marked improvements by most of these guys. They counted on overachieving, and positive rebounds from health issues. We are thin in the minors. No real help is incoming from within.
Management knew going into this season there was nearly zero chance at making the playoffs. I do not expect them to bring in talent outside of a late season surprise trade looking forward to the following year, which in that case would mean losing pieces at the same time. I think that is the way forward. If they weren’t thinking in that direction they are fools. If you look at the contracts, this team is built so that the vast majority of players can be discarded. 24 1yr contracts, 4 2yr contracts in Jansen, Turner, Martin, Blier, then 4+ years in Whitlock, Sale, Devers, Yoshida, and Story.
If the approach has been (as they say over and over) to build a consistent winning team over time built on evaluating and finding value, I cannot fathom how they are spending so much money for so many questionable health guys and mediocrity. What happened to the consistent winning part of the equation? I know Bloom is a dead man walking, but I wonder if the Sox learn anything at all, and if they do, does it stick?
William that is a brilliant post except for 1 small detail. I totally agree that many of the signings Bloom has made are trade candidates at the deadline but after watching Bloom let XB, JDM, and Eovaldi walk for nothing but 4th rd or later picks i have no confidence in him getting and reasonable value back at the deadline.
That’s just it tho. If Bloom was only horrid at one part of his job it would be one thing but he’s terrible at trades, negotiations and player elavuation the holy trifecta of sucking. The sooner they fire Bloom the better. He’s already done enough damage already.
@Boxscore, regarless if anyone agrees or disagrees, ” the holy trifecta of sucking” is the funniest comment so far this year!
Bravo, Boxscore. Bravo!
Randy,
The RS were in talks with XB and got blown out the water by the offer the Padres made, they under estimated his value. JDM wasn’t going to get you anything at the trade deadline and nor was Eovaldi, but were worth a 4th round pick.
Houck, Bello, Whitlock, Sale need to be in the rotation. Houck is adding new pitches to his repertoire he is a viable big league starter. Whitlock has a starters mix and he should continue to go out as a starter let him work through kinks but I feel he will be a solid starter. You also need to let Bello start he easily has the best stuff in this rotation and out of everyone has true ace potential based on stuff and I think he has moxee as well. Sale also needs to be in the rotation to see if he can recapture his true #1 perfrormance. Easily the next most important young pitchers are the maturation of swing men Winckowski and Crawford who could step in as starters if needed but are very valuable in that swingman role. There’s a lot to like about the young pitchers Boston currently has.
The fact is this team just isn’t as good as the the big top 3 in AL East they just aren’t so let’s give these young pitchers all the experience they need this year keep throwing them out there. At this point we need to start thinking about next year and how can this rooster be improved. Next years free agent class is weak and more and more teams are extending their free agents to be. One way imo to improve next years roster is to get these guys as much experience as possible these guys are the future let’s let them pitch maybe take some lumps this year and start planning for next year.
Exactly, Bello, Houck, and Whitlock all need to be in the rotation over Paxton and Kluber. They aren’t doing anything this year anyway.
If they just let the young guys play this year could actually be fun.
“Need” is a strong term on a team that has little to no chance of making the playoffs. I am for anything that adds marked improvements to the talent level and by doing so pushes dead weight off the team roster, especially this pitching staff. I think Bello was better served out of the pen his first full year to gain reps, and much needed exp in handpicked situations, but throwing him in the rotation is fine if you don’t mind the ugly learning curve for him. We were in dire need of a top end arm for the rotation, and we failed there.
We “need” Whitlock in the rotation? I don’t mind what they are doing because I support starting guys in the pen and moving them into the rotation if they have stuff, and 3+ quality pitches. Need? You think his rotation slot is the piece that we will need to get us 4th place? See my point? I support him in the rotation because it was the natural progression, and if it works will solve 1 problem of which we have so many.
@William. You definitely aren’t getting what I am saying. I am not talking about “getting in 4th place”
I am not talking about this year at all. I am talking about playing the young guys and seeing what they have to offer.
I get what you’re saying. I am just pointing out that this team has zero chance of making the playoffs unless unusually terrible luck happens to multiple teams in regard to many of their top players getting injured.
We have a depth of mediocrity that should allow us to bring guys along at a preferred speed and in preferred roles. We aren’t hurting like smaller market teams to even find 26 major leaguers within the system causing rushes, and we aren’t on the cusp of the playoffs.
I think your point of your preferred outcomes is valid, it just isn’t needed today, tomorrow, or even this year.
And the Giants won 107 games in 2021 so anything is possible.
You got way too hung up on the word “need”.,
I used a lot of other words, if you want to move on from that one.
Bello, Whitlock, and Houck would all play up in the bullpen. I think Bello would be the best option of the three for it, but they’re all starters next year.
Typical Boston negative hysteria. The bullpen has been outstanding, and it should be clear that the offense is good enough. Of course Houck needs to stay in the rotation: he’s a rising star, and the team has strong long-relief already. Sale’s last start showed that he still has ace stuff. Pivetta is solid;. Whitlock is also obviously a young stud: making a big deal out of last night’s start is silly. If Paxton can pitch like he did before his injury, of course he deserves a shot at the rotation.
The rotation is a potential strength that hasn’t been sorted out yet. (Kluber might have to be DFA’d—we’ll see.) The conventional wisdom that the Sox aren’t play-off contenders is just lazy. Watch.
I mean, 20 teams are “playoff contenders”
Jack, this team needs many more arms to stay competitive. At the present rate, the Sox pen will be burnt out by the ASG.
Kluber, I have a feeling with one more bad start will be DFA’d. He is not a good finesse pitcher. Is anyone in the minors pitching well with the exception of Bello that can be added to the rotation? This is going to be Bloom’s last year with another last place finish.
Lol! Good one. 10M and a vet and you give him til the end of April to prove himself.
Jack I don’t think it’s lazy to say that barring crazy injuries Boston really isn’t a postseason contender but it’s not all doom and gloom either there are positives. The problem is the AL in general I just don’t see the Red Sox finishing ahead of Tampa, Toronto or NY. I think there are just too many quality teams in the AL. If we assume they aren’t going to finish above 4th in the AL then it’s going to be real tough to get to the postseason. I guess all three wild card teams could come from the AL East but then you would have to beat out the Orioles and that’s no sure thing.
Pivetta to the pen will produce fireworks for sure, like his head blowing up.
Hope he sticks in rotation….All the guy has done is grind it out.
poet – I totally agree! Take away his ONE bad start against the Angels, and he’s given up just 4 ER in 3 GS (15 2/3 IP) with a K/BB ratio of 3.16
Sure he’ll have a handful of clunkers throughout the season, but all the brilliant outings more than make up for it..
They completed the easy part of their schedule with the exception of Tampa and lost all 4 games to them. With all the winning they have been doing they are .500 and in last place in the division. They actually gained a half game. Now the schedule starts to get difficult. They are unfortunately a last place team and I hope this spells the end of Chaim Bloom and his Reign of Incompetence. In 4 years the Red Sox will have finished in last place with one year where they played over their heads. I am tired of Bloom’s offseasons where he constantly disappoints and picks up underwhelming bargain ball players except for a few that overachieve. How he let Bogaerts go when he could have signed him last year for a lot cheaper than he signed for. John Henry please get a GM who knows what he is doing.
No love for Kutter Crawford? Since his first appearance, he has a 1.13 ERA. And he scored a run! He’s a duble threat!
Too many people spent too long bashing Crawford to even acknowledge him now. Same with Winckowski. I’m not sayng they can’t revert, but it is surprising how little commentary these guys get when they are going well.
True Joe, I wasnt a fan of Kutter, but now I see the light and the Fastball.
From my amateur perspective, I like to look at good streaks for younger pitchers. From 4/23-8/2, he had 49.2 IPs, with a 50/11 K/W, 6 HRs, and a 2.90/3.39 ERA/FIP. It’s not a huge sample size, but it is usually indicative of some talent. If he had fatal flaws most opponents would find out before 50 IPs.
And even the haters should be rooting for a pitcher named Kutter.
The article is about the rotation and not how Crawford has been out of the bullpen.
Crawford’s had two starts and has the best K/W on the team by a far margin. He deserves to be considered. He’s been so good out of the BP, I’d probably leave him as out #6, But I would definitely rank him ahead of Kluber at this point.
This team is such a joke. And I’m a Sox fan. Or at least I was until Henry and Bloom decided to become the Oakland A’s.
Hyperbole is so fun.
Boston is a .500 club. Oakland is at .190. Help me out, because I’m not seeing the comparison.
Red Sox are secretly planning to move to Vegas.
You guys know what I meant by that comment. Ownership won’t spend money anymore, for no real apparent reason. Allowing Xander to get away was the final straw for me. Comprende?
Red Sox spent 211M last year thats more than 4 times what the A’s spent (48M). You know your opinion doesnt match up with reality, comprende?
It’s not my OPINION that the owner and GM are cheapskates now. That’s a fact. Letting Bogaerts walk was unacceptable. There is a reason that two days after he signed with the Padres, Sox fans heckled the crap out of Henry. The Sox are not a small market team.
Also, I can’t believe how many people take things so literally. I was obviously exaggerating about them becoming the A’s. Just saying they are CHEAP now, because they are!
“so literally”
Oakland has been a bottom dweller in payroll for as long as I can remember. They were so cheap they sold Joe Rudy and Rollie Fingers to the Red Sox! Henry on the other hand has been in the top 7 in payroll every year since he came here.
Im not taking you too ‘literally’ there has to be a little bit of truth for that to happen. Youre talking in complete fantasy land.
HBan
And you would be bitching and moaning if the RS gave Xander that ridiculous contract.
utah cornelius – I believe HBan22 wasn’t comparing winning percentages he was basically saying both suck. Considering where they were with DD and where they are now, he’s 100% right.
If I told any of you that our bullpen would be a strength ( without Tanner/ Garrett and my buddy still in it) which one you would have tightened the straps to my jacket… Crawford/ Jansen outstanding!!schribber/ blier solid… my buddy Brais top notch against best players!!! Ohtahni/ trout… it’s the rest of the bums that rake him!!
oimtiant – I think you had everyone until you used the words Brais and top notch in the same sentence. Remember, sample size is important as is history. Brais has sucked for years. A good game or two does not a career make!
KD17:
Dont you have a rant about Devers’s Defense to do about now.
Heres a Terrible Defensive Play by Devers from yesterdays game. A good defensive 3B wouldnt have had to get his pants dirty.
mlb.com/video/victor-caratini-grounds-into-a-doubl…
Jonathan Henry has around 2 billion reasons to move the Red Sox if Boston doesn’t build a new stadium for him.
The city of Boston wont contribute a dime to a team building a new stadium. Maybe infrastruture of the roads around the park, that it. Boston doesnt succumb to blackmail, ask Robert Kraft. That is reserved for towns that have weak fanbases, like Miami.
And that stadium is practically Rhode Island. The Sox are never leaving Boston and Henry would never be stupid enough to make that threat and not expect to live the rest of his life in hiding
“practically Rhode Island” You mean Foxboro?
And Rhode Island gets “practically” zero of the income tax, sales tax, etc from their 18 mile distant vantage point to the stadium.
You are a couple of billion short on that estimate!!
Great victory!!!
Red Sox take 2 out 3 from one of the best NL teams, on the road. This after taking 2 out 3 from Division Leader Minnesota, after taking 3 out of 4 from LA Angels (Angels were in first place, until they came to Boston).
If you still think this team “sucks”, I got news for yeah: Youre Wrong!
This is a gritty team that grinds out every AB. Defense is playing excellent too. Pitching is meh, but baby steps for now.
Agree r Smith!! For even baby steps is moving FORWARD!!!
Is that all you got out of my post? Somebodies a simpleton.
Taught to keep it simple…
Hopefully THIS is the Masataka Yoshida we can expect to see for the next several years. Turner looks a lot better at the dish too. There is a much better team here than people realize.
RSmith
And doing this without Duvall and shaking starting pitching from Sale and Kluber.
The team doesn’t suck but they just aren’t as good as the big 3 in the AL East brutal division Baltimore isn’t too shabby either.
Fever all I know is Bello has a true 96-97 mph bowling ball sinking fastball that gets pounded into the ground. He also has had a really good plus changeup a pretty good slider that flashes plus as well. He also has a high 90’s four seam fastball that plays up in the zone and is working on a curve ball. There is no one on the Red Sox staff that has his stuff except possibly Sale if he can revert to vintage Sale. This is why he should stay in the rotation and work through the growing pains.
Bruin: Agreed.
If Houck’s next start is like his last start, he will have earned his rotation spot!
After watching the three games against the Brewers, I’m starting to wonder if I’ve underestimated this Red Sox team. They seemed to have circled the wagons and played some decent baseball. Can they keep it up for an extended period of time or is it like last year when they fell apart? The jet is getting the SP to go at least six innings so the bullpen isn’t over worked. Chang has impressed at SS with his fielding and if he can hit .250, I’d be happy. I will continue to watch.
All the complainers about the Red Sox, especially those who think it would be wise to trade Duran for a bag peanuts…. how is that looking for you now? The same people will be whining about Casas….. he will figure it out…. have some freaking patience.
dooper – Well said! Dombrowski’s players tend to do well because he’s an expert when it comes to identifying talent. Personally I would love to see Duran play CF almost every day, with Kiké at 2B.
As for Casas, he needs to figure it out in AAA. He is a black hole at a position (1B) where offense should be well above average.
FPG… I agree…I would play Turner at 1st base and send Casas down for a couple of weeks to work it out. DH Yoshida, and mix in Tapia/Reifsnyder platoon in LF.
“Dombrowski’s players tend to do well because he’s an expert when it comes to identifying talent”
Are you saying these are good Drafts? Top 5 picks from 2016 to 2019:
2016
Jay Groom
CJ Chatham
Shaun Anderson
Bobby Dalbec
Mike Shawaryn
2017
Cole Brannen
Tanner Houck
Brett Netzer
Jake Thompson
Alex Scherff
2018
Triston Casas
Nick Decker
Durbin Feltman
Kolee Cottam
Thad Ward
2019
Cameron Cannon
Mathew Lugo
Ryan Zeferjahn
Noah Song
Jaxx Groshans
Bahahahahahah! Zero All-Stars. Not one 2.0 WAR player. Tanner Houck and 19 throw aways. That is a pathetic bunch using any metric. I think you’d have a tough time finding a different team with a worse group of draft picks from that period.
Dooper – Sounds like a good plan to me. Casas’s confidence must be at an all-time low, he can rebuild it with AB’s in the minors.
FPG – Sample size is always so important. I agree with you and Cooper that Casas needs to go down. The problem is still defense. Devers kills you whether the score keeper counts the errors or not, Yoshida kills you and if you put JT in the field his risk of injury increases and we need his bat.
So I suggest using Dalbec at 1B and if he fails this time, DFA him after he gets a fair shake to prove himself. Remember, they are on a 74 win pace right now so this season is NOT a playoff season so giving Dalbec one last chance simply buys Casas time to get his act together.
We have MANY 10 year vets that have sucked for their first 10 years and when they do well everyone exaggerates their success. Kiki is hitting .232. When JBJ hit that badly we said replace him and he was a far better defender. When Dalbec hit that badly we sent him to AAA. When almost ANYONE else hit that badly they were DFA’d. Kiki is HOT and hitting .232. That’s why his lifetime average after 10 years is .239. He sucks.
Chang while playing well right now is another Kiki. 10 seasons in the MiLB and MLB and his career numbers are .248 but his MLB average is .208!!
Hot streaks are great but you can’t forget all the cold streaks. As of today, he’s hitting .146. That’s only 44 PAs but remember his lifetime number is .208. What is his real upside? Not good.
Every time the Red Sox have a small spurt of good play we think back to DD’s team and how they could turn it on and win a division. This team can’t do that. The AL East could put in 3 wild cards but Boston is going to be in 5th and that’s not good enough for the post season. If Sale dominates tonight the fans will start thinking playoffs and that’s unfortunate. I remember my first forty plus years thinking the same way and always being disappointed. We need talent. Chang, Kiki, McGuire are not MLB level talent. Yoshida, Devers and Turner can’t play defense but only ONE can be DH. Duran is an up and comer who needs to prove himself. Verdugo is a league average player who is going to want more than he’s worth when his arbitration years are over and Story won’t be back for months. If money is no object as suggested by the CAP violation in 2023, then to be a playoff team in 2023 Bloom needs to get replacements for Kiki, Chang and McGuire at a minimum. If he can deal, Yoshida and Turner for two way players that would allow Devers to move to DH and swapping out Devers and getting a good defending SS that can hit would significantly improve the team.
Every team that hopes for the playoffs needs a combination of star power and complimentary power with respect to the offense. Boston has Devers and maybe Turner as star power at hitting. They have complimentary power with Verdugo, Yoshida, Duvall and Story when he returns. The rest needs to be upgraded to compete in 2023. Otherwise, the young guys need a shot at the other spots like Duran and others from the farm system. As good as TB, NY, TOR and BAL are in 2023, Boston won’t be in the playoffs even if they maintain a .500 pace for the full season.
You know, at times I have thought you were a tad contrarian for the fun of it, but I can’t argue with a word of that other than I would give Casas another 50 ABs
Duran’s numbers are less than the sum of the pieces. He has -0- HRs in 23 ABs with a 9/3 K/W. That’s terrible, his current OPS notwithstanding. A lot of our numbers will revert up and down as the season progresses.
I could give a crap about Duran hitting HR’s…. get on base, use his legs not only to get in scoring position, but also to get weak hitting Chang batting behind him fastballs because of his speed threat…. it is much more than stupid just stats….I’ll take the Strike outs/Walks ratio as long as he continues to get hits with runners in scoring position with less than two outs…. which he is doing.. Also, his AB’s are a lot better than last year… seeing a lot more pitches.
I agree with Coop. You want HRs out of your fastest guy. Should we also be concerned that Devers has zero SBs?
Dooper – Great post!!
Only Joe could call a guy with a .565 SLG and .994 OPS “terrible” just because he doesn’t have a homerun yet. That’s because he zeroes in on the latest “in fashion” stats and totally disregards other facets of a guy’s game that are more important. The tunnel vision is sad.
Joe, Why do you indulge FPG? The guys a dicck.
Only Joe could call a guy with a .565 SLG and .994 OPS “terrible” just because he doesn’t have a homerun yet.
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Because that’s how BB stats work. BABIP/HRs is always, always the baseline. There is virtually a -0- chance that Duran maintains a .563 BABIP. It is simply that you don’t know this.
He is on pace for 235 Ks in 600 ABs, and -0- HRs. Do you know how players survive that? -0-.
His ignorance is a teachable moment, at least for those who are not True Believers. There is no shortage of people engaging in fantasy BB that will buy or sell players because they have no idea of what BABIP or HR/FB means.
I love a good debate, but its the ‘never wrong’ attitude he has to keep. If you point something out to me, I’ll say “good point”. You’ll never get that from FPG or KD17. Thats why its a worthless debate, whether they’re right or wrong, they’re never wrong.
It is sometimes worthwhile to me. The BABIP & HR stats are BB101, but there are other times where, if I have trouble explaining something, it forces me to dig deeper.
FWIW, I agreed with promoting Duran, and I hope I am wrong. But his current numbers are way, way overrated. It’s a small sample size, but I doubt anyone in history has ever survived a 32.1 K-rate with Duran’s lack of power. There were only 3 in BB last year that exceeded 30% and they had 25, 22 & 31 HRs.
Small sample size, the Ks worry me.
But, any help right now is big. There are players on the mend (Story Mondesi) and we need to get to June in a decent state. Every game Duran helps is one day closer to reinforcements.
Joe – Funny how you assume Duran’s 23 AB’s will project out ONLY on the negative stats, and NOT the positive ones. I have a feeling you are laughing as you typed that, just like I’m laughing while reading it!
And no I will never value BABIP as much as you do, even though I’m very familiar with it from reading this site. That’s because unlike you I understand BABIP can be inflated because the hitter either hits the ball too hard to be fielded or he’s able to hit ’em where they ain’t!
And at least get the math right! BR says he’s on pace for just 185 K’s in 552 AB’s.
BTW – After the same 23 AB’s Kiké was batting .115 with a .233 OBP, how is THAT “on pace” working out for ya???
Red Sox are playing much better than their 11-10 record indicates, when you take into account the opponents they’ve played.
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