The Mets provided an update on Justin Verlander this afternoon. Their newly signed ace has been on the 15-day injured list after being diagnosed with a low-grade strain of the teres major muscle in his shoulder at the end of Spring Training.
New York sent Verlander for an MRI this morning, raising some amount of concern amongst the fanbase. Fortunately, imaging revealed diminished inflammation, according to the club. He remains without a firm timetable for a return to MLB action but is going to continue a throwing program.
It’s a solid update, all things considered. While there’s still some issue with Verlander’s shoulder and no specific return date, that imaging didn’t turn up any serious structural issues is a positive. The Mets are already going to be without José Quintana for a few months. That pushed David Peterson into the starting staff and Verlander’s injury led to Tylor Megill claiming a back-end job. Joey Lucchesi and José Butto are at Triple-A Syracuse as the presumed next options if any of the current five suffer an injury.
In other New York news, catcher Omar Narváez left this afternoon’s loss to Milwaukee in the ninth inning. After the game, manager Buck Showalter told reporters (including Tim Britton of the Athletic) Narváez had some discomfort in his left calf. He’s day-to-day for now and will presumably be further evaluated over the next few days.
Tomás Nido is the other backstop on the active roster. Top prospect Francisco Álvarez opened the year on optional assignment to Syracuse, with the Mets preferring to get him consistent reps in the minors as opposed to more sporadic MLB playing time. If Narváez requires an IL stint, Álvarez would be the most straightforward option to replace him on the active roster. The Mets don’t have any other catchers on the 40-man roster; veteran Michael Pérez is a non-roster option in Syracuse.
He’s ok He’s ok. First start September
JayRyder, classic!
The Mets will have the highest DL list in mlb history this year
Highest in numbers on the list or in salary on the list?
Drugs?
Tribal tattoos?
As a Braves fan, I want to see Verlander back in the rotation ASAP! I enjoy playing the Mets, bring your best, make it another season to remember!
I wonder what the highest amount of salary on the IL is in history. It wouldn’t be surprising if they break that dubious record this year, especially with there unfortunate injuries before a game was even played.
The record will always be reset as time goes on because the players keep making more and more
They keep records for every other ridiculous stat, why not that one?
@michael Hayes, at the rate they’re going, probably both
Put it this way… each guy’s hourly wage, while on the IL, would pay for a minor leaguer’s entire year’s salary, under the new CBA.
Says Rhys and Bryce
It’s just an illusion because of the attention the injuries receive.
The Mets only have eight players on the IL and only four of them are major leaguers. (Díaz, Quintana, Verlander and Hunter.) And of those four, Verlander and Hunter appear to be minor and should return shortly.
It’s pretty average when looking across the league. It’s just that when a double-A reliever for the Mets gets injured there’s an article for it which doesn’t happen with other teams.
Is it really any worse than the Phillies or Braves? The Phillies have seven on the IL including the big injuries to Harper and Rhys. The Braves have 2/5ths of their rotation and their closer out just like the Mets. Yet the Mets have better depth to deal with it than both of them.
Darick Hall, who’s starting in place of Hoskins, just got hurt today and is going on the IL. That’ll make eight for the Phillies yet there’s no article. I’m sure there will be eventually but it’s just am example of the misbalance of attention that these situations receive.
I’m a Mets fan, but the very early results say that the Braves are dealing better with it than the Mets, so far – regardless of “depth.”
Hahahaha, Mets have better depth to deal with it than the Braves. This comment is a perfect example of why almost every other fan base hates Mets fans.
Not even the most injuries in their division.
@13Morg13: Wrong. That’s Bryce Harper all by himself!
It’s ok It’s ok. First one to the ledge loses.
All aboard the excuse train!
I hope JV comes back soon, it would be nice too see him get a shot at 300 wins, though 56 wins may be a bit much at this point.
Two more seasons after this provided he has a great season every year.
Justin “Take the money and run” Verlander
Yes, because he wanted to get hurt…
@gbs42 he didnt come to the Mets because he really wanted to. He came because Steve Cohen blew him away with money. Hes collecting his check, he doesnt care if the team wins or losses. He just spent almost a million dollars on a 2 week vacation a couple months ago. JV will comeback when he feels like it, not if the team needs him, no urgency what so ever
Those are inflammatory words. Libelous. Slanderous. Nebulous. Frivolous. I will advise JV to make a terse major statement, and then consult with his team of attorneys to consider legal action.
LFG…do you believe deGrom has a similar attitude to JV’s as he sits down in Arlington counting his piles…or is their some fire left in him, or something yet to prove to all of us??
@LFGMets: And you know this how? I think you’re just spewing to post something.
Yeah, Verlander has never really seemed to me like someone who would just “dial it in” after getting paid , i.e. Anthony Rendon. Verlander is very competitive and appears to have high expectations of himself …but he is 40 now, and , who knows, may be sick to death of baseball. Having Kate Upton at home may tip the scales in favor of playing house-husband considering the alternative of showering everyday with sweaty dudes.
@Ignorant Son-of-a-b Degrom went to the Rangers because he wanted a low stress environment and Texas is more red than NY. Hes going to play more but not try as hard now that hes on the Rangers because he got his money. Degrom would take off games with a hang nail or limit his own innings on the Mets so that he could not mess up his stats for his next contract
I mean, this isn’t cole hamels
An anagram of Justin Verlander is Injured Ventrals
Lol
No way!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again Mets are trash, so remember the name.
Yeah sure Ill remember the name when the Mets make the playoffs in September
I accurately predicted smiley face Lindor having a garbage contract, I also predicted the Mets flailing and losing the division when they had like a 10 game lead in august last year and also both Verlander and Scherezer getting injured.
Mets have no chemistry, no balls, and a bunch of units not playing as a team. Go Dodgers.
You clearly don’t know the team or how to research what you are ignorant of. Lindor has been tremendous. They won 100 games and lost to the Padres… Just like your Dodgers. Ya burnt.
Lindors batting .111 bro. Trash. The Mets are paying $120 million to Lindor Scherzer and Verlander all of which are not even playing basically.
Since when isn’t Lindor playing? I see him on Quick Pitch all the time and he seems to be on the dirt, not the IL.
His batting average is dirt. And that’s exactly what I’m talking about. He’s not producing, which is exactly what I predicted two years ago.
That team came into todays game facing a sweep, and they played hard, just as any fan would expect. It didn’t turn into a win, but they didn’t lay down, and that should be appreciated. Long season, have some faith. That team is loaded and they will put it together.
I feel bad for Mets fans. Dodgers are always accepting new fans. Ditch the orange and wear Dodger blue.
Yeah so what, I’m a Mets fan and predicted that myself, that they would fade late
It’s different this year though. The Braves are not the same team without Swanson and Wright won’t be there much either
They’ve also played 7 games. Chill.
lol my dude is out here talking about batting averages after 18 ABs like it means anything
or orrrrr OR come to the Black & Orange side on the west coast. We welcome fans like family!
@Camden The Mets shouldn’t be setting the bar at making the playoffs. They have longest WS drought in the division, 4th in the NL and we all know the spending that was done over the off season. For the Mets it’s WS Champs or bust
I watched some Mets games. What struck me was that they’re really not a very good team…..
Lindor is easily their best player. McNeil and Nimmo remind me a lot of Pedroia and Youkilis when they were with the Red Sox. They hustle, scrape, run up pitch counts and they’ll do anything to get their team runs. On D they play their hearts out. McNeil is a decent MLB 2B and Nimmo can run balls down in CF, but has a weak and inaccurate arm (he can be run on). Alonso is their big run producer, but he still messes up plays at 1B that should be easy outs. Canha, Escobar and Marte are decent veterans. Guillorme is a nice piece off the bench. Their 2 catchers are good handlers of pitchers,
Other than Lindor nothing really stands out that most other contending teams have though. The Mets are built around their pitching staff – particularly two old pitchers – both of whom should go into the HOF. But at their age they’re going to miss games as well as have some bad games. Senga may be very good – we need to see if the league adjusts to him. With Diaz out Robertson should be close to him as a closer. But the rest of the bullpen and the back-end starters are similar to the position players – again, nothing really stands out that most other contending teams don’t have.
The fact that they’re running the highest payroll in MLB at $336m – a whopping 25% higher then the next highest payroll team (Yankees) is amazing.
Worse yet – they look like an old team….most players over the hill. They need to get some of those youngsters up and play them. Right now I just don’t see them at the level of the best 4-5 teams in the NL.
I think Alonso offensively is better than you’re giving him credit for, but overall, this is a solid assessment. The way their players are hitting at AAA supports your point that I agree with. Get them up to play… just the energy change will help. They shouldn’t have sent baty down to begin with IMO.
7 games in and samuel declares the Mets “not very good”….it is hilarious the people who comment here
Do casuals understand that sometimes the offense isnt going, or pitchers coming out of spring training still arent in shape yet?
But here we have another expert who tells us the 3-4 Mets are not very good
These are the same people who will rant at the few people who do understand whats going on here for the deeper insights that they make
Like they dont even watch games. The team “looks old” he says. Since he doesnt watch games much he doesnt grasp that the team is just 7 games in and not in top form yet
Camden, people have high expectations when a team spends $365M in payroll.
The team “IS OLD.”
They’re not very good.
Old players and old manager who is past his time. Buck relies on vets far too much. Doesn’t matter if a 24 year old has earned a shot he will stubbornly stick with the over the hill veteran. Reminds me of an old Terry Collins line, “We gotta get him going”. Showalter will ride his veterans until it’s too late. But Cohen is as much to blame as well. Foolishly throwing gobs of cash at players of retirement age and hoping they have something left in the tank. Much like the Wilpon philosophy of using HOPE as a strategy. Hope they can still perform, Hope they stay reasonably healthy. And Cohens strategy is already showing major cracks and flaws (Verlander, Quintana already on the IL before the season even started).
@86Mets. Yup!!! I would wager actual money right now to declare that this will be Billy Eppler’s last job in a MLB front office, so he better savor the memories while he can…(bitter memories though they will be.) Steve Cohen, for all his largesse, does not appear to be a very savvy or intellectual fan of baseball. He is just a very rich version of your typical low-information homer-ific Mets fan. This is proven by his over-reliance on the hopeless hapless Eppler & his assumption that throwing hundreds of millions willy-nilly on Big Name Free Agents will magically deliver him a World Series Champion. Magical Thinking indeed!
How apt. Your username perfectly describes your posts.
I think we need to put a pitch clock on the length of your post
Most players over the hill? Really? Lineup is young except Marte who is still great. Bullpen is young except Robertson who is very good. 2 older pitchers. Both coming off great years. You have no idea do you? All stars at 1st,2nd, SS, RF, CF. Stud prospects at C, 3B and DH/INF. That includes MLB’s batting champ, a HR king and an MVP type SS. Next.
You throw around words like great and very good when I’m not sure they apply. You also seem to forget that Canha and Escobar are also in the lineup with Marte, and they are all what, 34? Nimmo is either 30 or will be soon. McNeil is pushing 30 as a late bloomer. Narvaez isn’t young.
And who is this MVP type SS? I hope you aren’t talking about Lindor.
Samuel:Sorry, dude, but I’ve started bookmarking your posts because they’re so damn long I have no desire to spend time reading them all at once. At least try paragraphs.
“Over the Cliff’ Notes?
@avenger65
Want a condensed version?
The Mets are old and expensive.
Man I learned many years ago that especially with veteran ball clubs you really can’t judge them until they are 40 to 60 games in. Honestly most the vets are probably still trying to get into game shape and get their timing down at the plate. The WBC helped this year, so it might be less games than 40. The first two months of the season is about finding a rhythm while not falling far behind for most clubs. I’d take winning in September over peaking in April and May any year. If the Mets play about 500 ball the first two months of the season but pick it up after who cares? This is the time to figure out what works this year.
I want to see all of these injuries end. I’d rather see each team’s best compete rather than see which team responds best to injuries.
I know it’s early, but Carrasco looks close to done to me. And I dont think with his shoulder you can count on Megill for much. That leaves ultimately Bundy as the 5th starter until Quintana gets back
The Mets have pitching issues, but every team does. It comes down to the offense ultimately and the Mets have the deepest and best offense in the NL East since Hoskins went down
I dont think the Braves lineup is what it was anymore. Swanson is gone and theres questions about Michael Harris production
Poor samuel above doesnt really understand how good the Mets offense is. It’s an OBP machine. Everyone in the lineup upper tier chase rate. Extremely good and deep offense that is difficult for pitchers to get through. Pham off the bench is a high end bench bat
But because they dont have power bats, (I guess) he declares “nothing really stands out ” about the Mets offense
Does he even watch games? Lindor is the only one that stands out to him
Who has questions about Harris’ production? Not the Braves, or anyone else that has seen him play
Harris hasn’t proven it yet. Also, even if he does have two above average seasons he projects as the type that won’t sustain it long term. Might get three good seasons out of him
Or not. He’s a harder player to project. The odds are though that longer term he is only average OPS+ offensively
The bat will slow down once he fills out and exit velo likely slows down with age. Bat gets “dull”
Camden; I’ve been following baseball for 35 years and never heard of a “dull” bat. Just curious where you picked that up from. And how can you be so matter- of-fact re: Michael Harris peaking at 24 then petering out?? That doesn’t sound like a very conservative projection. It’s more like a novel, shot-in-the-dark 15th-percentile projection.
Braves were smart calling him up early and getting probably his 3 best seasons. When he hits 24 likely he will not be the same
What an embarrassing garbage take from you. You want Nimmo to be better than Harris, he isn’t. You want Max to be better than Wright, at this point he isn’t. Just dumb. You Can Put It In The Books…..
Harris has no production issues, the season is a week old and “theres” no questions about his offense.
Once the energy and juice of youth wears off you’re left with what the player fundamentally is
And with Harris, it’s not good. Projects as typical dull bat with lower exit velo and bat speed. Probably a 100 OPS+ player or worse in three years
That’s just facts. I’ve been making these same assessments for over a decade, everyone calls me an idiot, then it turns out I’m right. You have to be able to project long term
People will be calling him “poverty” in three or four years
Plus short term even this season I am still not entirely sold on him , although probability is he has above average OPS+
Hey Cammie!1
“…everyone calls me an idiot, then it turns out I’m right…”
You’re right indeed. Everyone calls you and idiot.
I don’t though.
As a Braves fan, I’m sort of with Camden here. That is to say I’m rather guarded on any rosy projections of Harris. In many ways his start reminds me of Jason Heyward who started out like a ball of fire and then quickly fizzled down like a Halloween sparkler.
Not a single question about Harris, Arcia is basically what Dansby was in ever season other than 2022, and 2 out of our 3 rookies and/or 2nd year guys called up have pitched exceptionally well. Stop trying to make yourself feel better about your team by making up silly comments.
Harris is a stud the Mets wish they had.
Like I said hank, I think he’s an overrated prospect. The Braves were smart to call him up and ride the young energy, but when he fills out and gets older it’s going to be a different story
Once you ride the young energy and it wears off, you get what the player fundamentally is
I don’t have any bias at this point. I call them like I see them. I’m often negative about Mets prospects
At this stage of baseball experience, bias isn’t part of it
Harris projects as the type that will have 3 good seasons early and then tail off significantly, much like Heyward did
I don’t live in a fantasy world of hopeful thinking anymore. If the Mets are bad, I’ll expect it
I never got excited about Bryce Montas de Oca because I knew the arm would break
It’s much more pleasant when you get over wishful thinking and just assess things without any bias or hope
Please use periods and other punctuation. It helps give you credibility, and is easier for your audience to consume.
I try not to overuse my colon:::
Of course. Why be an a$$?
Good news with the inflammation subsiding.
If push comes to shove, go Butto before Lucchesi? Younger, small injury footprint. May not be fully ready but can eat innings where Lucchesi is limited because of TJ recovery pitch monitoring.
Nah, Lucchesi, unless Butto has greatly improved control/command. Didn’t look that way in spring
Always better to go with better command/control, even if velo/stuff is worse
Butto wild? Didn’t know that. Saw him in person last year. Looked under control to me. That said, Lucchesi is definitely the more experienced. Who’s up first I think depends on the Mets strategy when bringing back an SP 1st year after a TJ rehab. Baltimore had Wells in the bullpen exclusively. Yet, Houston put Verlander back on the bump like nothing ever happened. Mets?
I wonder how miss t n a feels about him being hurt?
1st, hate to see Verlander down. Dude can still be a stud. Hell, he won the Cy Young last year. Mets aren’t some garbage team that will struggle all year long like Nats too much talent on that side and won 101 games a year ago. Always, respect the team in that other dugout, this is baseball which is unpredictable sometimes. Lastly, fans of the other NL East teams keep on underestimating our Braves, every year it’s the same thing and no one picks us to be good. Braves Country, see you at Truist tomorrow as they as they raise another NL East division Pennant. For the A!
I disagree about the Braves respect. Every media outlet had the Braves winning the division. Philly radio has them winning. NY radio has the Braves or the Mets. The Braves are one of the most respected teams in baseball. The Mets get all the offseason hype, but MLB Network, ESPN everyone had the Braves for the most part. Fans too.
I listen to Braves Radio (680 The Fan) out here in Zona. Good announcers. I think it’s Joe Simpson and another guy. They also said it was Don Sutton’s birthday the other day. Used to enjoy him and Skip Carey back in the day.
Throw money at the problem.
That always works…
Helps my problems.
78-84
I don’t like the Mets at all after their relentless attacks on deGrom this offseason, but they are way better than that. I would be surprised if they didn’t win 95 games. They probably would have to have all the worst luck in the world to fall below 90 wins.
In past seasons, when the Mets get hot early, and many of their fans start planning parades, other fanbases rightfully tease them, but it works both ways. Too many people are judging the Mets as “not very good” after 7 games. It’s super early. Every game matters, but we don’t know what the Mets are yet. Chill.
Don’t look now but DeGrom is baaack!
The Rangers’ $185-million man opened with four perfect innings, allowed two runs over six and struck out 11 Orioles in a 5-2 Texas victory that provided deGrom his first win as an American Leaguer and the Rangers a 4-2 homestand.
Bruce Bochy, imho, is the best skipper in baseball, and a future HOFer. I think Texas is going to surprise people.
PUT IT IN REVERSE, TERES!
What did the Mets think they were getting when they shelled out $43 million a year for a 40-year-old pitcher, who spent a significant latter part of the.2022 season on the IL. They’ll be lucky to get 10-15 starts out of him this year, if that.
They thought they were getting a Cy Young winner of a World Series winner. They were correct.
As they say on Wall Street, past performance is no guarantee of future success.
Wow. A detailed description of the injury, an update provided on same day as the MRI. If he was on the other New York team we would get one syllable words from Dr. Boonedoggle. “His arm hurts. It’s an ouch.”
If a guy gets moved to the 60-day IL, that’s money-talking, and boolsheet-walking.
And I say that as a Yankee fan
Buck Showalter. And the horse he rode in on.
And Buck you too.