March 21: The Rockies officially announced today that they have signed Profar to a one-year deal. To open a spot on the 40-man roster, left-hander Lucas Gilbreath was transferred to the 60-day injured list. The southpaw underwent Tommy John surgery earlier this month and will miss the entire season.
March 19: The Rockies are in agreement with free agent outfielder Jurickson Profar, reports Jon Heyman of The New York Post. Profar will be guaranteed $7.75MM but can get the total up to $8.75MM with 400 plate appearances. The deal is pending a physical.
Profar, 30, has had an up-and-down career but is coming off arguably the best season of his career. Though his power is fairly modest, he has a good eye and strong bat-to-ball skills. His 11.1% walk rate and 15.7% strikeout rate this year were both a few percentage points better than league averages. Along with his 15 home runs, that led to a .243/.331/.391 batting line and a 110 wRC+, indicating the switch-hitter was 10% better than the league average hitter overall.
Defensively, though he’s played all over the diamond in his career, the Padres kept him exclusively in left field last year. That consistency may have suited him, as he was given a +2 grade from Defensive Runs Saved and a +1.1 from Ultimate Zone Rating, though Outs Above Average was less enthused and gave him a mark of -5. Taking his whole season together, FanGraphs considered him to be worth 2.5 wins above replacement, the highest tally of his career thus far.
Going into the 2021 season, the Padres had signed Profar to a three-year, $21MM deal that afforded him the opportunity to opt out after each season. The first year of the deal didn’t go well, as Profar hit just four homers while being bounced around the field in a utility capacity. He declined to trigger his first opt-out and stuck with the Friars for 2022, before having a much better campaign in the second year. Going into the 2022-23 offseason, he had just one year remaining on his deal, valued at $7.5MM. He decided to go for the $1MM buyout and become a free agent, leaving $6.5MM on the table.
Profar continued to linger on the open market for months, the last of MLBTR’s Top 50 Free Agents that was still available until now. Recent reporting had suggested he had been trying to get $10MM per season, but that apparently didn’t materialize based on the fact that he remained unattached for so long. He’ll now settle for a deal a bit below that, though he’ll still end up making a bit more money than if he had just stayed with the Padres.
For the Rockies, they have some question marks in their outfield, as Sean Bouchard recently underwent biceps surgery that could keep him out all year while Randal Grichuk is going to miss the first few weeks of the season due to sports hernia surgery. That leaves Kris Bryant, Yonathan Daza and Charlie Blackmon as the primary options, though Blackmon made more starts at designated hitter last year and seems likely to do the same going forward, especially considering that his 2022 was ended by knee surgery. Daza should have center field spoken for until Grichuk returns, at which point they could split the duties there as they did in 2022. Like Profar, Bryant settled in as a full-time left fielder last year, despite lengthy time on the infield earlier in his career. When Grichuk went down earlier in the spring, Bryant began spending more time in right, per Thomas Harding of MLB.com. That seems to suggest that he could yield left to Profar while splitting right field and the designated hitter spot with Blackmon. Bryant was limited by injury to only 42 games last year, making it sensible to add another corner outfielder into the mix and perhaps reduce his workload on the grass a bit. Danielle Allentuck of the Denver Gazette reports that the plan is indeed for Bryant to be in right with Blackmon primarily serving as the designated hitter.
Though Profar is coming off a decent year, there’s still some risk here for the Rockies, given his inconsistency. Once one of the top prospects in the sport, shoulder injuries kept him from appearing in the big leagues at all in 2014 or 2015. In the next two campaigns, he was healthy but struggled to establish himself in sporadic playing time. He finally had a decent season in 2018 but the Rangers quickly sold high, trading him to Oakland. Unfortunately, he seemed to battle “the yips” with his new team, as he made 11 throwing errors from second base in 2019 and got flipped to San Diego. He was solid enough in the shortened 2020 campaign to earn himself a three-year deal but, as mentioned, struggled in the first before rebounding in the second.
The Rockies will be hoping that another year of having a consistent left field position will allow him to be less mercurial at the plate. It’s also possible that playing in Coors Field will suit him well, given the famously thin atmosphere and large outfield. Perhaps those conditions will allow Profar to launch a few more home runs or simply spray the ball all over the outfield, given his low-strikeout approach. With just 11 days until Opening Day, it might be fair to expect that a player signing now would need a spring ramp-up and wouldn’t be ready for Opening Day. However, Profar might be a different case since he was recently representing the Netherlands in the World Baseball Classic.
The Rockies were already running a franchise-high payroll and this deal will nudge them a bit further into that territory. Roster Resource now pegs their spending at $170MM for the season, well beyond their previous high of $145MM, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts. However, it’s possible that the final tally ends up below that, as most observers aren’t expecting the Rockies to be contenders this year. Players like Profar, Grichuk and C.J. Cron are impending free agents and make decent salaries, perhaps leading to them becoming trade chips this summer if the Rockies don’t become surprise competitors. Then again, the Rockies have also surprised many onlookers, and their own players, by their lack of trade deadline activity, so that’s no guarantee.
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LOL, that’s like $10 more than what the Padres owed him.
Have fun winning 60 games and having no team respect your numbers in free agency next year.
Sheesh. Did Profar hurt you? Goodness.
You can look at it that way or that he’s likely going to rake there for a few months getting everyday AB’s at elevation, get traded to a contender, and then get a decent deal next offseason. If a player like Profar wants to ensure he’s in a playoff race in the stretch run signing with a non-contender the offseason before isn’t necessarily the worst spot considering most playoff caliber teams could use a guy like him at that point.
@goat
If a team is contending, they won’t have an OF putting up weaker numbers than Profar. IKF has more value as a utility player at $6MM because he doesn’t have the yips when playing IF, and the Yanks can’t find a team that wants to pay $1.5MM less for a better player than Profar. Colorado is showing their stupidity, even if they get an All Star season from Profar, as paying him $7.5MM to be a projected bench player, when no one is bidding against you, makes no sense. There are about to be lots of players getting cut from spring training invites that would be just as good, with more upside, at much better cost. Lower salaried players have more interested suitors at the deadline.
He’s not going to be a bench player. Grichuk is out for a while already. Bryant is injury-prone and Blackmon needs days off at his age. If Profar avoids the IL he’ll get 500 plate appearances at least.
He signed because they offered him a contract…I doubt it was anything more involved than that.
By more do you mean less?
You think he we be traded at the deadline?…seems short sighted
Short sited? Last place teams trading their 1 year contracts for talent. That sounds like what EVERY team under 500 at the deadline does EVERY season. This is certainly the contingency plan for Profar but it isn’t short sited.
Calm down capmyth..i was replying to the person thinking profar would be on the rockies long enough to win 60 games lol. No need to get so upset. Plus i also had a typo..meant “wont” not we ..and it is 100% short sighted to think profar will last the season with the rockies if he plays well hes trade bait. therockies are no diff than EVERY other team in that respect.my apologies if my typo caused your blood pressure to rise
But the Rockies ARE different than every other team. They don’t like to trade players on expiring contracts.
“Last place teams trading their 1 year contracts for talent. That sounds like what EVERY team under 500 at the deadline does EVERY season.”
The Rockies don’t.
@Pool. My friend, you seem like the kind of guy who overreacts when he notices a balloon floating around. The capital letters were for emphasis like how you did as well. I responded to the text you provided so not my bad. I hope you don’t get so scared at the site of puppies, kitties and rainbow sprinkles.
Weird math you got there.
He got $1M from the opt out and is guaranteed $7.75 so at least $8.75M is quite a bit more than $10
I don’t think your math checks out
Lol it is a 19% increase on his Padres salary, and it will be a 35% increase if he has 400 ABs. He will likely have more playing time on the Rockies as well. Seems like his gamble paid off and the knuckleheads like you who have been talking trash about his choice to opt out all offseason were proven foolish
So lets not look at what he was expected to get. Lets ignore that, and instead, compare this one year deal to a multi-year deal he signed 4 years ago, in the middle of covvid, and coming off a .218 batting average for the season.
Scott Boras, is that you?
What? Of course you posture for a bigger deal than you are likely to get, that is part of negotiating. Did you read my comment? Many have called him opting out a mistake, and it clearly was not since he got a better deal than he had with the Padres
Misguided baseball fan, is that you?
The Padres clearly didn’t care to bring him back, so what difference does it make?
They could have traded him to the Rockies for a prospect or two if not for the opt-out.
He’s guaranteed to make anywhere from $1.25MM to $2.25MM more than if he had stayed with the Padres. Remember, by tripping his opt out the Padres had to pay him $1MM, so he had to sign for at least $6.5MM to be made whole. He easily cleared that.
If he planned on winning 60 games with the Rockies he would have signed a 2 year contract
After this season, Profar will have made over $33millon in his career. He’s not going to need to sweat the loss of a few million more.
Rockies get Moustakas and Profar and the Orioles take a snooz
Smh
The Orioles have lot of good young players for those at-bats. You should look at this as a positive thing.
I am not impressed with the Oriole off-season
That’s fair, but missing on Moustakas and Profar shouldn’t be why. Moustakas sucks, and Profar is a very limited player coming off a career year that didn’t look sustainable. The O’s big mistake was that they didn’t add any frontline pitching. The lineup is filled with young studs, and you’ve got a couple top-level pitching prospects, but the FO decided to fill the holes in the rotation with mediocre filler instead of true difference-makers
@Roiste people like you that think they’re scouts and think they know what they’re talking about…. LOL STFU
Bro if you think Mike Moustakas belongs on what’s supposed to be a playoff team in 2023 then you simply don’t know ball
The Os rebuild is going very well. The players coming up may be better that anything on the market.
Take your own advice…
For position players, I agree, but they should’ve invested more in the rotation. Grayson is awesome and Kremer looks like a good middle/back of rotation guy, but the rest of that rotation is gonna have trouble against premium offenses. And there’s not a whole lot else coming down the pipeline, besides John Means out of rehab
Thank goodness you have no say in the Orioles’ decisions. The future in Baltimore is so much brighter than mediocre journeymen.
They could have signed better than innings fillers. They obviously thought they needed starting pitching, or they wouldn’t have signed anyone. Even a mediocre journeyman would be an improvement on what they did. Baltimore was never limited to signing mediocre journeymen, anyway. They could have paid for a top end starter, but were too cheap.
Would prefer they spend any available money on starting pitching, or invest it in amateur talent. They have quality at bats and/or defense coming at positions those guys play.
In a park where a pitcher’s numbers will probably skyrocket, what type of SP are you going to get for 7.75M? Can you give us an example?
The type that would get lit up in that park
To be fair, Camden is much less hitter friendly with the new dimensions. They went from the most home run friendly park in 2021 to the 25th most HR friendly park in 2022.
Are we talking Camden or Coors Field?
I took rougesaw2’s “they” to mean Rockies, not Orioles.
rsmith — The change to Camden Yards Left Field wall last year rendered it very pitcher friendly (first year, small-ish data sample).
But I get your point, no 7.75mil pitcher was going to change the rotation for better. (Gibson got 10mil, and he’s not an upgrade from last year’s Jordan Lyles).
See my comment above. I thought “they” meant Rockies. But, what you posted ‘O’s Say’ is informative, thx.
What does Profar, and especially Moustakas do for the Orioles? You’re going to play Moustakas over either Ramon Urias or Ryan Mountcastle at 3B or 1B, or Kyle Stowers/Anthony Santander at DH? If you’re really thinking second base, then you’re better off with Adam Frazier.
Where would either of those guys played for the O’s?
Would Hays, Mullins, or Santander taken a spot on the bench for Profar?
Is Moose a better bench bat than Frazier?
The O’s did fine not signing either of those 2. What they need to break out is a TOR starter, not mediocre to bad position players.
Hopefully the thought here is just to plug a hole and flip him at the deadline because we all know the Rockies (much like my Tigers) are not competing for anything but the Number 1 draft pick this year. With all their injuries it might have been a good time to test drive younger players like Toglia instead.
The Rockies have never in their history lost 100 games or had the #1 overall pick. And they only had #2 once. The Rockies might not be great, but they will rarely be the worst. That’s why they are my team. I’d rather see my team win 70 games instead of 65 games. I don’t care if it means they pick 3-5 spots later in the draft. The draft is a crapshoot and likely won’t matter for the big league team for 3-5 years anyway. I just want as many wins as the Rockies can get. Worry about the future in the future.
No Grichuck, no Bouchard, and probably no Blackmon and Cron and Kris Bryant is a day-to-day wild card under the best circumstances. Guess this had to be done
Wild card “under the best circumstances” what circumstances, the rest of the teams disband? Best circumstances you don’t lose 100
I think he was saying that Kris Bryant is a wild card, i.e. his status is unpredictable – not that the team could get a wildcard (it obviously can’t – the only team in baseball who might be worse is the A’s)
That would make sense, otherwise he is enjoying to much of Colorado’s finest
I don’t think you are understanding the comment. Kris Bryant is a “wild card” because he is often injured. No one is suggesting the Rockies are a wild card team
Bryant is a wild card because you don’t know if he’ll play 30 consecutive games or miss 30 consecutive days. The Rockies are not a Wild Card contender and it seems Monfort may have jinxed the team by claiming they could play .500 ball
More wasted money by the Rockies.
WOW
Good signing
Seems like he would have been a good fit with many teams at that price. Surprised other teams didn’t make a similar or better offer.
1yr/7.75M? 2/20M predicted by MLBTR.
Looks like Boras did another mid-level player dirty.
Baseball players: If you google your name and WAR, and you dont come up with a Top 100 WAR in the league, RUN from Boras and Associates.
In the end, he still got more than if he opted in with the Padres. Boras may not have gotten him a mega contract, or massive raise, but a $250K raise is still a raise. Plus he’ll get the $1 million from the Padres for opting out.
So lets not look at what he was expected to get. Lets ignore that, and instead, compare this one year deal to a multi-year deal he signed 4 years ago, in the middle of covvid, and coming off a .218 batting average for the season.
Scott Boras, is that you?
I’m not saying it was a great idea for him to opt out, in fact I think he should have taken the option year instead of opting out. But the fact he made more than his original one year option shocks me. You also have to consider that Profar was only going into his age-28 campaign when he signed the deal with the Padres. Overall, Profar’s off-season didn’t go very well, but the fact he ended up with more money than his original opt in means he at least salvaged something.
From a pure financial perspective it was a fantastic idea for Profar to opt out. He got $1.25m guaranteed more than what he opted out of plus incentives. There is still the issue of him going from a WS contender to a team with a .500 ceiling however.
So, you want to ignore reality for what might have been? For a projection that MLBTR admits misses 30% of the time by more than 20%. WTH is wrong with you?
Coming off a shortened 2020 season where he produced a career high .278/.343/.428/.771 and a 114 OS+ and a 3.8 WAR pace, a 27-year-old Profar (he wouldn’t turn 28 for another month) got a 3/20 deal in January 2021 (NOT 4 years ago) from the Padres that allowed him to opt out after each of the 1st two seasons if he played well enough to warrant it.
Profar opted out after the second season of that deal. He played poorly in 2021 and was set to earn $8.5 million in 2022, so there was no shot he would opt out then.
With this contract with the Rockies will be paid a minimum of 15% more than he was in 2022. 23% more when gets to an almost automatic 400 PA. THEN he gets to go back into FA before his 31st birthday with what he hopes is a 2-year track record of playing LF with an above league average OPS+.
Only a moron would try to argue that this is not a good thing for Profar.
“moron”?
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Youre headhunting right now, and this is a conversation I had 7 hours ago. I dont care.
Take it easy, relax. Youre 100% right. Now please go away.
It doesn’t matter if it was 27 hours ago. You answered so you obviously care. So, you are not only calling yourself a moron, but you are also not telling the truth about caring. I guess that fits for you.
I’m with WSS on this one. The projections were too bullish on Profar. At the end of the day the people making those projections are still human. The fact of the matter is that opting out paid dividends for Jurickson. Yet another one of those opt-outs that Preller handed out biting him in the behind. Only one that hasn’t so far is Hosmer.
You mean .400 ceiling
But now he misses out on any playoff runs with the padres… Hopefully the altitude helps him hit consistently
What are you talking about? He got a substantial raise.
Padres paid him $1 million when he opted out of a $7.5 million salary.
He got $7.75 million plus a chance to get another $1 million just by staying healthy.
He will make a minimum of $8.75 million and possibly $9.75 million. Both are a lot more than $7.5 million.
Ya figure a week til we hear about his oblique?
Profar has averaged 477 PAs over the past 5 years.
7.75M is a very manageable number. Risk/reward is in Rockies favor.
rsmith, you are off base again. You included a 2020 season where the max anyone had was 267 PA.
Profar had 658 PA appearances last season, and he has averaged 546 PA over the past 4 full seasons and has not dipped below 400 PA in any of those seasons.
He will easily surpass 400 PA if he stays healthy.
“rsmith, your the one who’s offbase again”
He got how many PAs in 2020? 267 add that in to the 5 year average how many you have? 477.
That is a valid statement. You want to counter-point that with 2020 was a shortened season, go ahead. How do you know he’s going to be healthy during the entire season.
Youre the one off base, or should I say being a DBag for some reason.
You can’t even get simple math correct.
Here are his stats. baseball-reference.com/players/p/profaju01.shtml
There is a FREE calculator on EVERY browser. Figure it out or GTFOH.
Oh wait, I don’t think you are capable of figuring out how it works so I will be magnanimous and help you out.
Profar had 2384 PA in 2018-2022, the last 5 seasons.
In 2020, a season shortened to 60 games by COVID, he had 202 PA.
2384 PA minus 202 PA = 2182 PA
That means he had 2182 PA in the last 4 FULL seasons
2182 PA divided by 4 seasons = 545.5 PA per season
I rounded up to 546. You can round down to 545 if you like.
It STILL means he is likely to get far more than 400 in 2023.
NOTHING is guaranteed in life or baseball, but since he has stayed healthy for 5 seasons, it’s a pretty good bet that 2023 will not be the outlier.
Maybe, just maybe, when it’s broken down into baby sized bites you can understand that. But I am not holding my breath after all of the comments we have seen from you.
I guess if he plays well they can flip him at the deadline. Maybe by then Zac Veen will be ready to call up.
They still need another CF until Grichuk gets back — maybe they are planning to keep Harold Castro, or give Kris Bryant some time in CF.
Hitting Harold is no center fielder. Tolerable defence at best in a corner OF spot.
They started him in CF in yesterday’s ST game. Didn’t see the game so don’t know if he looked viable as a temporary backup there. I can’t think of any other options to back up Daza besides maybe Bryant. It has been 5 years since Blackmon has played there, and with good reason.
He can temporarily back up anywhere and will grab key hits as a bench player. His defense is not good st any position though. Handy player to have around.
Veen is going back to AA where he hit .177 with a .496 OPS in 34 games last season. Before you anoint him a MLB player in the 2nd half, it might be good to see if he can actually hit above A ball.
Good pick up by the Rox. I’ll see him opening day vs. the Padres…
About time.
He’s gonna rake! Quadruple crown, here he comes.
He will lead the NL in strikeouts, GIDPs, popups, and pickoffs?
In Colorado the ball will go far with Profar 🙂
I wouldve profarred another destination for him.
Expect some Anti-far protest in Colorado.
Glad he got his money in the end. Dont like that he’s still in the NL West though. He seems like the guy that takes #revengegame seriously, and is going to have a 4-6 with 6 RBIs in a Rockies-Padres extra inning win at Coors that the Padres really needed more than usual that night because the Dodgers had already lost to the Pirates.
Got his money? That’s a round about way to get a raise.
He is going to there to pad his numbers to go back into free agency next off season.
Ultimately, Profar is a utility player with limited value.
Except HE chose to leave.
If anything, the padres will get their revenge on him…
bottom line for me is, he was a central part of the most entertaining Padres team of my adulthood, so I’m not NOT gonna root for him. He gets a nice little cheer first time back at Petco, right?
I don’t get it
What a mess of a Rocky roster!
The only thing that will keep this signing from being a complete bust is the fact he gets to play half his games in Colorado…..hitters paradise.
Well at least the game of chicken paid off. That is like a million wings. Maybe more if you buy the farm
You could do a lot worse than having Bryant and Profar at your corners and in your lineup.
Neither one has a good glove and it’s a stretch to begin with putting Bryant in right. Signed a third baseman to play in right for 184m. The team will be lucky to win 70 games
How soon til he gets injured because he missed most of spring training?
It will be a waste of money either way with his lack of real production.
Why this guy was over hyped is beyond me. My guess is his agent.
GIven the market for Profar wasn’t great, this deal might work out for him. He’ll likely get 400 ABs and nearly $9MM, and at a mile high he could easily surpass his offensive numbers at sea-level. Those numbers will serve him well in FA next year.
Plus, I doubt he would have played much in San Diego, with Tatis moving to OF
But my oh my, the spending by the ROckies sure puts a lot of stress on the other teams
Except everyone will say his numbers only because he was hitting in Coors. And if they don’t improve, then he is probably looking at a minor league deal next year because people will say he can’t even hit at Coors. It really is a lose-lose situation for a hitter on a one year deal.
Happened to Jose Iglesias.
He didn’t get a multi-year deal, so ….and yeah sure he could suck and not get a deal next year. But a full off season of not getting signed and seeing his hope for a multiyear deal fade, getting this deal isn’t a bad outcome because it’s a chance to play, and in a hitters park. If he has one year to prove his value, not a bad place to play. It’s a better situation than one year in stat-killing Petco as a 4th or 5th OF.
My point was that Jose Iglesias hit nearly .300 last year and still could only manage a minor league deal. Unless Profar hits .375 with 30 homers, I don’t see him getting a better deal next year. Colorado on a one year deal might pad career stats, but it will not improve your market value.
Profar had a 114 OPS+, a 3.1 WAR, and a 2 DRS in 2022. He made a positive contribution on both sides of the ball.
By contrast Iglesias had a 90 OPS+, 1.2 WAR, and a -4 DRS. He was below average at all aspects of the game.
Profar was 24% better with the bat and more than twice as good overall when you factor in defense.
Profar does not have to improve on those numbers to get a multi-year deal at similar AAV. He just needs to show he can repeat his performance.
That’s because OPS+ punishes Coors Field hitters and rewards hitters in parks like Petco. That is my whole point about taking a one year deal with Colorado. Some say it “neutralizes” parks. I say it just guesses what might have been in some perfect world that will never exist.
For what actually happened. Iggy had a .708 OPS at the shortstop position. Profar had a .723 OPS in left field. I’m not trying to sat Iggy had a great year, but I am OK with a .708 from an everyday shortstop. I will be very disappointed by a .723 from an everyday left fielder.
How to say you don’t understand the stat without saying you don’t understand the stat. Go learn what the stat means and come back.
Oh yeah someone dared to question a stat therefore they must not understand it. I know exactly what it means. That is why I understand its limitations.
That “how to say” joke is not original or clever. I would try a different tactic next time. But your call.
Very shocked he actually got more money than his original opt-in. At this point, I figured he’d make a lot less than his opt-in, maybe at most having enough incentives to match it.
I know there’s a lot of Boras hate around but he’s VERY good at his job. Profar seemed like he was heading into a May pro-rated signing. There’s one almost every year. This deal was way more than I had expected when March rolled around.
Good landing spot. Nice fit for the player.
And a likely trade chip
I’m thinking teams didn’t buy the contract year spike in production enough to offer much long term. Maybe if he has two good years in a row he will be more reliable in someone’s eyes. But Colorado stats aren’t going to convince everyone, and if he is traded (likely) it will look bad if he slumps over the last couple months or so away from Coors.
A rental of Profar would not get a meaningful prospect later even with a decent first half. Not seeing the upside of a non-contender like Rockies spending close to 8 or 9 mil……compared to trying youth or an upcoming dfa.
Most rentals don’t get their team a meaningful prospect in return. Only ones that do are top of the line players, players who have a corner of the market to themselves, or are the only player left in their respective area of the market. I doubt think the Rockies are signing him with the expectation that they’re going to get a top 100 prospect back, but a low-level, teenage prospect with some upside, or an older pitcher who might become a decent reliever in the future
mlb1225;
It’s not just you….
Every time a veteran FA is signed to a one year contract this board is pelted with “They’ll flip him at the deadline”. I must have seen this 30-40 times this offseason.
I would be amazed if 5 of those guys were traded at the deadline, and even then I doubt most would bring back anything more than salary relief and a low level prospect. .
Correct, you are making my point. Why would a non-contending Rockies club pay this much when the best upside is a “lottery ticket” flip later? Clubs can take shots at finding diamonds in the rough for close to nothing financially speaking……or put those millions toward someone they want to extend.
Because their owner and FO are delusional enough to think they can contend for a WC this season.
You don’t trade rentals to get big time prospects. You trade them for lottery tickets that might turn into meaningful prospects. Kind of like Tatis for James Shields. He was not a high prospect when dealt, but developed into one.
Not saying that is what will happen here by any means, but you never know.
hiflew;
1. James Shields was a known and still productive player when he was traded.
2. These boards have been taking about underperforming to washed-up guys that have to take on a one-year contract. If they’re having a good year they’ll be traded at the deadline.
3. Few of them are traded. And the teams that get them for a stretch run aren’t counting on them playing for the team in the following season.
4. The Cubs signed David Robertson as a FA for one year in the 21-22 offseason. They hit on him (possibly better than any other .FA on a one year contract). He had a great year. The Phillies got him for the stretch run at the deadline. They traded pitcher Ben Brown – playing for their High-A team after coming off of 2021 TJ surgery and did well.. He was promoted to AA and didn’t do as well He’s 23 years-old and now will open the season in AA. Maybe he’ll amount to something in he majors. I wish him well
But let’s put this into perspective – at the time of the trade David Robertson was having a bounceback year and was one of the best relievers in MLB. Of the 30-40 players I saw on here this offseason that signed one year contracts which caused multiple people to write that they’ll be flipped at the deadline, maybe 5 will be attractive enough in 2023 to be traded. And of those, I don’t think more than one or two will have the year Robertson had in 2022.
Shields was 3 years older than Profar at the time of the trade and he put up less WAR the prior year than did Profar. I think I will stick with the comparison. Plus, I was not the one saying they should sign him to trade him, I was just stating that rentals usually only get lottery tickets in deals. So I don’t get why the response was directed at me specifically.
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he will play well in Coors Field as he is selective and makes contact
I hope he Rakes!
He will be in the grass more than Charlie bad-back man
Blackmon was set to be the full time DH again this season. With all the Rockies injuries, signing Profar was a move to guarantee he is able to do just that.
Living in Colorado, yes painfully I am a Rockies fan. Yes I know they have the most dysfunctional FO in baseball. When you have prospects like Toglia and Veen close to making the jump and you fill spots with Moustakas and Profar it doesn’t make sense. Let the kids play and develop while you try to win 60-65 games.
I said that about the Tigers but they just kept bringing in vets with the intention of trading them and ultimately getting fleeced.
In truth, most of the Rockies’ position players are looking good this spring:
C Elias Diaz
C Drew Romo
1B Michael Toglia / CJ Cron
2B Ryan McMahon
3B Mike Mouskes / IF Elihuras Montero
SS Julio Carreras / Ezequiel Tovar
LF Jurickson Profar / OF Brenton Doyle
CF Yonathan Daza
RF Kris Bryant / Zac Veen
DH Charlie Blackmon
Sub Harold Castro
After German Marquez, the pitching isn’t very good.
Profar is the perfect example of how wrong scouts and fans who parrot scouting reports can be. I remember when he came up, the hype about his defense was insane. Great tools but it never showed up as results in the field.
Him and Bryant make Colorado WS contendors
Profar feeling like that geeky weird kid from grade school that always got picked last.
Except for the millions of course..
Doubt that he was picked last. He played in the Little League World Series.
It’s interesting when a player plays up to their contract and the value of an option and by doing that, think they can be paid more than what they’re already guaranteed or can opt into.
Baseball, more than any of the other major sports leagues, seems to have a “problem” where players live up to a contract and play to the value of their salary- meaning the salary, the option, the contract, etc. is justified- and by doing so, think they are worth more than that when they are actually simply living up to their deal.
This seems to have led to a culture of perception where players are under paid or over paid and virtually nobody sees themselves or is seen as being paid exactly what their value is.
There are rare exceptions, there do seem to be occasional players who play through the entirety of a mega deal and live up to it but realize they can’t beat it on the open market so they don’t opt out, or guys who make their peak value salary- say, $6M or $7M or whatever- and as their value dips a little with regression from them aging, they maintain that same salary level thanks to inflation, while younger players with comparable stats to their earlier performance are making an extra $1-$4M a season on equivalent deals from a few years ago (so a guy who was coming off 3 years/$21M signs a couple of 1 year/$7M deals while similar players 5 years their junior sign 3 years/$25M or 4 years/$35M or something based on current salary trends)
Anyway- funny that Profar might as well have not opted out… but then again he opted out of a $7.5M salary for a $1M buyout and winds up making $7.75M to $8.75M on the new deal, so it is a net gain of $1.25M to $2.25M over what he salary would have been…
Guess Profar opting out didn’t benefit the Padres after all.
It didn’t hurt them either. Would you prefer Tatis in the OF or Profar?
Actually it did hurt them. If he hadn’t opted out they could have traded Profar this offseason to the Rockies (or whoever) for a prospect without eating any money. But with the opt-out they pay him $1m to go away. Which one sounds better to you: trading a guy for a prospect or paying him to go away?
Good luck, kid. I’m still pulling for u to make good
I’m surprised he got even that, given that there didn’t seem to be that much interest out there, or at least none was reported on. He remains an eh player, regardless of his salary.
So he will make $8.75 million in 2023 when you include the $1 million buyout from the Padres and if he gets 400 PA he gets $9.75. Not bad.
Not quite what I think he was looking for in terms of guaranteed money, but a little raise for this season.
Did any team offer 6.5MM to force them to 7.5MM with incentives? I think not.
As usual, you are talking out your nether regions stymeed. He signed for $7.75 million, not $7.5 million. You have no idea what the negotiations were or what other teams were involved.
Are the Padres better off trading Profar for something or paying him $1m to go away?
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With so many injuries on their roster, this is a good signing for the Rockies. He will slot in as the starter in LF with Bryant in RF allowing Blackmon to be a full time DH. He should hit well in Coors Field too.
It was a good signing for Profar too. He gets a not insubstantial raise and a chance to go back to FA and get a multi-year contract if he can repeat his 2022 numbers.
You didn’t answer my question. Are the Padres better off trading Profar for something or paying him $1m to go away?
He’s hoping a front office sees the increased raw offensive numbers and doesn’t look at the + stats. (Kidding.)
Meh. I’m not sure pushing Kobe into RF is a great idea. BTW, who is the Rockies CF?