In the wake of Arte Moreno’s decision to abandon plans to sell the Angels, the owner has been somewhat uncharacteristically willing to discuss team matters with the media. Moreno has already spoken with the New York Post’s Jon Heyman in February and Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci over the last month, and today the Halos owner engaged in his first open Q-and-A with Angels beat writers (including Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register and The Athletic’s Sam Blum) in over three years.
Today’s media session covered some of the same ground as the Heyman and Verducci interviews, though Moreno did confirm that the team is willing to exceed the luxury tax in order to keep Shohei Ohtani in the fold. The two-way superstar is scheduled to be a free agent after the 2023 season, and with speculation swirling that Ohtani could command as much as $500MM in his next contract, going beyond the tax threshold would seem like almost a necessity for any team serious about retaining his services.
Since Moreno bought the team almost exactly 20 years ago, the Angels have only once (in 2004) surpassed the Competitive Balance Tax limit. That said, Anaheim has also spent big to extend or sign the likes of Mike Trout, Albert Pujols, Vladimir Guerrero, Anthony Rendon, and several other marquee names, so Moreno is no stranger to paying for premium talent.
The Angels are projected for roughly a $226.7MM tax figure in 2023, under the $233MM CBT threshold. Moreno was non-committal about the idea of exceeding the tax this season, but said that “if we’re in it at the [All-Star] break, I want to be able to have enough cash to pick up somebody.” In terms of future CBT commitments, Moreno felt “we really positioned ourselves well” to potentially retain Ohtani, and Moreno noted that “after four [remaining] years for Rendon, we really have no long-term contracts. So we have to position ourselves and work to put ourselves in a position to have that financial flexibility.”
Having Trout, Rendon, and Ohtani all on the books through the 2026 season (when Rendon’s deal is up) would mean that those three players in all likelihood take up at least half of the Angels’ room under the tax threshold. That seems to be a bridge Moreno is willing to cross, though quite a bit of work seemingly has to be done before an Ohtani extension becomes a reality. Moreno said the team hasn’t yet spoken with Ohtani and his camp about future plans, and the owner noted that “Ohtani has to want to be here, too. It’s a two-way street.”
“When we started talking to Mike [Trout], I spent a lot of time with Mike. I just said, ’You have to make a decision. This is where you want to be.’ This is where you want your family to be. We started sitting down with the agent. And Ohtani, he has to figure out if this is where he wants to be.”
Moreno said that the Angels were likely to spend over 60 percent of their revenues on payroll this season, and the team’s current approximate payroll of $212.1MM is a new club record. Beyond these expenditures, Moreno said that GM Perry Minasian has “basically an unlimited budget to try and build our minor-league system. So those guys get cut, and we try to sign minor-league deals with them. Continue to build the depth.”
Anaheim’s busy offseason was seen as a little bit of a surprise, given how teams seemingly on the verge of being sold are sometimes in a bit of roster limbo until the ownership question is settled. That said, Moreno took the opposite route, saying that “we never stopped doing anything” despite the talks with potential buyers. “I was communicating with [Minasian] almost every day….I told him, no matter what happens, I want this team prepared to play and win. We invested a lot of money. I wanted to make sure that if I changed my mind that we were, ’OK, go.’ ”
This stance speaks to Moreno’s customary aggressiveness in trying to field a winning team, though obviously those efforts have been in vain through seven consecutive losing seasons. Moreno denied the common perception that he is too hands-on with his front office’s moves, saying that “every player that we’ve ever signed has been with a discussion of the general manager all the way through….If there’s a decision that Perry wants to sign someone, if we’re going to negotiate and we want to get a deal done, I need to be there because I need to make the call or [else] he’s running back and forth. He and I talk about the money before we make any decision.”
The fact that Moreno approached the offseason thinking he might eventually opt to keep the Angels likely speaks to his reticence about a sale, and his ultimate decision to take the team off the market. Moreno left the door open to possibly sell a minority share in the club at some point, but “I do not have a successor” in mind as the Halos’ next owner.
The club’s future at Angel Stadium (and perhaps in Anaheim altogether) was also a topic of discussion, given how back in May, the Anaheim city council voted against an agreement that would’ve seen the city sell the 150 acres of land surrounding the ballpark to a Moreno-owned management company. Moreno said he will soon be meeting with newly-elected Anaheim mayor Ashleigh Aitken “and we’re going to work with that administration” in regards to whatever next steps might come with the ballpark and development situation.
The Angels’ lease at the stadium runs through the 2029 season, and the team can also exercise an option to extend that least through 2038. Moreno didn’t offer any comment on the idea of a potential move, saying “We’ve been there a long time, and we’ll see what happens.”
kiddhoff
Wow!
Texas Outlaw
@kiddhoff very insightful xiable. Tell us more
kiddhoff
OMG
iverbure
Why is the first 3 paragraphs of this about angels exceeding luxury tax. The angels haven’t made the playoffs for like 10 years and it’s got nothing to do with the amount of payroll in that time.
pohle
i actually agree for once. this is mostly inspiring tidbits coming out of arte moreno, i dont mind a majority of the things that he has said since deciding to keep the team. it seems him and perry are very close in a good way; perry seems to have a sensible idea of who arte is and how to go about his organizational plan knowing arte needs to be on his side. next offseasons drama(and baseball in general) would be better with the halos in the playoffs
harrycarey
So will he be building Angel Village next to Disneyland?
User 2079935927
No. There’s no room to build around next to Disneyland. In fact Disney is going to use what is now a parking lot next to Katella and Disney Way for the next theme area.
There’s Hotels all around Disneyland. No room for anything else. It will have to be the Stadiums current location the land is border by Orangewood to the south. State College to the west,, Katella to the north and the 57 freeway to the east.
On the other side of the 57 freeway there’s the Honda Center. where the Anaheim Ducks play. Ducks ownership is going to build a mix use Hotel/ Retail Urban Center named “OC Vibe” They plan on starting construction next year. They want it completed by2028 when the Olympics come to LA
Halo11Fan
He’ll stay in So Cal, but why would he stay in Anaheim?
aragon
where would he move to? long beach airport is occupied. tustin is building houses in the lot. seal beach leisure world lot is next to navy land that stores bombs. the only place i can think of is inglewood sofi stadium parking lot. but they would have to build parking structures for both football and baseball.
Halo11Fan
He’ll move to who gives him the best deal.
James Midway
I hope he can build a new stadium. Sitting along the third base line you can tell it used to be a football stadium with few seats actually facing home plate.
i like al conin
That all was redesigned in the mid-1990s when they made it baseball-only.
User 2079935927
It was originally a baseball stadium. It wasn’t built with football in mind. When the Rams played there. The goal post on the south end was about where 1st base is And of course the north goal post was about the middle of the bullpens. The seats behind the bullpens was put there when they expanded Anaheim Stadium before the Rams 1st season in 1980.
Before that when they had high school football games there. The football field ran from home plate to CF.
boblowlaw2
Be careful talking to the new mayor, don’t get her fired too!
Halo11Fan
The voters will decide if the Angels stay. The Mayor will act accordingly.
BaseballisLife
Anaheim City Council will decide. Just like they decided not to give the Angels all that c land for a pittance.
baseballteam
Has Arte decided to change hair dye brand?
sacball
hahahahahaha!!
Old York
Ohtani will end up in San Francisco in 2024.
toycannon
Only when his new team, the Mariners, visit SF.
letsplaytwo
Yep, that’s my call. Ohtani will shun the Padres, Dodgers, and Giants, and take tens of millions less to play for the Mariners.
Samuel
Will he be batting in front of or behind Carlos Correa in the line-up?
Old York
@Samuel
You’re assuming Correa will be healthy enough to still be in the lineup. Probably not.
amk1920
No chance. That team isn’t competitive enough on a year to year basis. Would be stunned if Ohtani isn’t wearing Dodger blue in 2024
User 2079935927
Get ready to be stunned. In face fact book your room at rehab facility asap,
Rsox
@amk1920
Not only are they not competitive on a year to year basis, the only year they have sniffed the playoffs with Ohtani was the 2020 extended spring training
letsplaytwo
Get ready to be stunned. Coming from a Dodgers fan since 1959. Shohei brings his show to the Great Northwest and takes the Mariners to the World Series, maybe for the second year in a row!
Halo11Fan
He’s already turned down Seattle. I highly doubt he’s been born again
BaseballisLife
He also turned down the Dodgers, Padres and 4 other teams. espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21607835/breaking-seven-fi…
Are you trying to say that all those teams are out of the running?
Halo11Fan
Baseball life…wrong. He turned down teams that didn’t hav a DH. That’s not the case this time around.
BaseballisLife
Wtf are you talking about? He turned down 6 teams. 2 of them could have offered DH. OHTANI chose who those final 7 were and he said that DH was not the deciding factor.
Pull your head out.
Halo11Fan
WTF are you talking about? The Padres, Giants and Giants didn’t have a DH.
So he really didn’t turn down those teams. He turned down the NL.
Are you this dense?
AngelsFan1972
I don’t think Ohtani turns away any West Coast team (sans the Las Vegas A’s) if they are the highest bidder. Just because he decided not to go to Seattle the first time around, that does not preclude him from signing there this time.
Ohtani WILL hit the open market and some one will overpay him. I hope it is not the Angels. I think Ohtani’s AAV will be north of $40 million for 7-9 years. I don’t see him staying a 2 way player for more than 4-5. He is worth the money if all you want is ROI and not worried about the albatross at the back end. I would hope the Angels learn their lesson on signing players like that.
I am a big Ohtani fan. I love to watch play and appreciate his talents. I just don’t think the Angels can remain competitive with that much money tied to the top 3 players, If they can cultivate a decent farm system with a good group of pitchers year in and year out, they will be in the playoff hunt year in and year out.
outinleftfield
As long as he stays healthy this season, Ohtani’s value in free agency will surpass the AAV of Scherzer and Verlander. Because 2024 will be his age 29 season, hi next deal will be at least 10 years and possibly more,
Halo11Fan
It does not preclude him, but I think the odds are long..
User 2079935927
yeah when the Angels come in for a 3 game series.
Logistics Guy
Please the only reason he did not sell the LAA was he was looking to get 4 billion dollars for the club.
So like almost every sport team owner the city and state will build him a new billion dollar ballpark.
And he will add hotels and restaurants and bars and a casino and other shops.
After this he announce that he selling the club.
Book It my friend
Rsox
Arte votes conservative. There is zero chance Gavin Newsom builds him a ballpark so the “state” is out. Whether the new Mayor of Anaheim is willing to play ball is another issue entirely
DarkSide830
Call me crazy, but think Gavin Newsom has bigger priorities than stiffing Arte.
Rsox
Sadly, you’d be surprised…
Halo11Fan
He’s not going to be I. Power and cities make decisions, not states.
outinleftfield
Bigger priorities means not spending taxpayers money to build a stadium for billionaires.
Halo11Fan
Out in left field. That’s a bit simplistic. Did you go to the AOC school of economics?
BaseballisLife
Halo, how much did the state of California pitch in for the Rams, Giants, Padres, and Warriors stadiums and arenas? How much are they on the books for in Oakkand? If you said absolutely nothing you would be correct.
Outinleftfield got it right. Newsom has bigger fish to fry and giving away money to people that don’t need it like Moreno is not on the agenda.
Halo11Fan
Tell me about the property the stadiums were built on.
BaseballisLife
Tell me about how many dollars the state of California spent. California is not going spend a dime on a major sports team.
None of the land belonged to the state of California. The state didn’t spend anything on infrastructure. Total outlay by the state of California? ZERO.
Halo11Fan
It’s about property dude. Man you are dense.
Look what LA did for the Dodgers. They evicted 10,000 families.
How dumb are?
User 2079935927
Logistics Guy you’re wrong on 2 counts
#1He got an offer that was more than what Cohen paid for the Mets. He plain and simple didn’t want to part with the team. Why is that so difficult to understand.?
He said he might still a minority ownership in the team.
The state of CA has never before and will not now finance a stadium.
Angel Stadium originally Anaheim Stadium was financed by the City of Anaheim.
Originally other cities in Orange County were going help but they backed out and City of Anaheim decided to go it alone.
Logistics Guy
Winslow Leach Please check your facts before opening up your mouth.
Steve C pay somewhere near 2.2 – 2.7 billion dollars for the NY Mets.
Second I still think that he will get help from state of CA and some city In the state to build a new stadium. Since most states official like to say no state funds were used to help with building of the unit. Months or few years later some smart newspaper person or other media person finds out that this is a load of crap.
User 2079935927
Logistics Guy are you dense or just plain ignorant? I just told you.
A. Arte reported he got an offer north of what Cohen paid for the Mets.. I know it’s hard for you to believe but it happened.
B. The state of Ca has never helped a team professional MLB,NBA,NHL or NFL finance a new stadium or arena. Or as you call “Unit”
What gives you any idea they’re going to start now?
User 2079935927
Name 1 stadium that the state of California has financed .
Giants-Privately built
Dodgers- Privately built
Padres-Municipality
Angels Municipality
Rams/Chargers-Private
Clippers future home-Private
Ducks-Municipality
Warriors=Private
A’s-Private
Lakers/Kings-Private
Halo11Fan
The Stadium in San Francisco was built for 357 million dollars. How’d they get the land? Disney spent over 100 million just to refurbish the Stadium owned by the City.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
As a distant LAA fan, this all sounds confusing to me.
$500 million for Ohtani? Alrighty then.
Good luck to all
User 2079935927
Thats what people are speculating because he can pitch and hit. I think it be closer to $400M
outinleftfield
Ohtani is going to get a million or two more AAV than Scherzer or Verlander. 10 years at a minimum and $45 million AAV. Maybe as much as 12 years, which is why so many think he will get $500 million.
Halo11Fan
I don’t know how much Ohtani will get because I don’t know how much he’s going to limit his choices.
He may say he’s wiling to play for the Yankees, but is he? If he was willing to play anywhere, 500 million seems reasonable. But maybe he’s already limited his choices to the Giants, Padres, Dodgers and Angels.
If he wanted to go to Seattle, he would have already gone there. The DH in the National League opens up three new West Coast teams that offer different opportunities five years ago.
I don’t know how much more the Padres can spend. I don’t know if the Giants are competitive enough, and if the Angels don’t make a run this year… that leaves the Dodgers.
i like al conin
Wait, there’s less than 2 weeks until Opening Day and they haven’t yet talked with Ohtani?
User 2079935927
Because they have 6 months to do it?
i like al conin
Winslow, most players stop negotiating after Opening Day. Perhaps Ohtani is different and the Angels know this, but as the season gets closer to being done Ohtani loses the incentive to negotiate and the Angels their leverage. Seems after 5 years the Angels should have been talking well before now.
User 2079935927
I read in a article Arte say’s he’s been talking to Ohtani’s agent although I don’t believe any hard figures have been exchanged.
i like al conin
The article above and that on MLB.com says they have not started talking. That’s concerning.
Samuel
Perry Minasian is easily the best Angels GM since Bill Stoneman. He came from the Braves and has restructured the organization and the ML team in a like manner. (People thought Brian Snitker was a joke of a manger for years after he’d been hired – lots of Angels fans are making the same mistake about Phil Nevin.)
Whether or not they sign Otahani past this season, that organization is finally on the right track.
aragon
are you his uncle’s lover or something? that statement is really unwise considering he hasn’t built a bulpen to win in the playoffs let alone in the regular season. on top of that he has signed many questionable free agents to multi-year contracts.
Halo11Fan
Perry could fart and some people would say it Devine wind.
He didn’t build the core of this team. He didn’t build the rotation. He extended Fletcher and Stassi, both looks like bad moves. He made horrible moves in 2021, and 2022. And of course this bullpen, which is all him, looks really bad.
I’m willing to say his future should ride on this pen. But many Angel fans don’t want to hold him accountable for anything.
User 2079935927
Aragon-It doesn’t happen over night. The Angels have some good young arms going in for the bullpen. I know you’re not an angels fan, so you don’t know. But the angels will have better than you think BP this year.
Halo11Fan
Dipoto built his pen with great arms in less than a year. The bullpen is the only thing you can build in a short amount of time. This pen is all Perry. And win or lose, he should be held accountable.
Everyone should agree on that.
aragon
angels fan since ’65. advertised backman who could come up the earliest among all the drafted players. he is not only not ready but not very good so far in minors. another wasted first round pick as many through the years.
the farm is ranked somewhere between 30th and 26th depending on who you are talking to. call that improvement?
BaseballisLife
I’m confused. What FA signed a long term contract for the Angels? I can’t find many long term contracts in 2021 to 2023 while Minassian has been their GM. He signed Fletcher in 2021 to a 5/26 deal that was considered a team friendly deal at the time but since then the longest deal has been 3 years and there has only been one of those. Who did I miss?
Halo11Fan
I was not thrilled about the deal and I was ripped.
I thought the Stassi deal was pretty good though.
These are two deals that have tied the Angels hands a bit.
BaseballisLife
Lmfao. Two deals that totalled $43 million tied the teams hands? Are you serious?
Halo11Fan
Well, right now there is a log jam at catcher, and the Angels are carrying two utility infielders.
You really are stupid. Roster spots have value.
Are you right about ANYTHING?
Setzer
Perry, is that you?
Samuel
Setzer;
LOL
Usually the baseball-challenged trolls write:
“Are you Perry’s mother”?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Out of every team in baseball, the Angels singularly have the most individual top tier talent without a team make up to make them worth anything in so far as playoff potential is concerned.
If Ohtani just wants individual statistical records and the salary, he can stay with the Angels. If he wants pennants and World Series titles, he will likely have to go elsewhere.
But a ton of free agent contracts just result in money and not titles, so maybe Ohtani should just stay where he is. Be Like Mike- Trout. Stay, break indivisible records, make record breaking money, accept that you won’t win any team titles.
angelsfan4life
If Ohtani decides to go somewhere else. That is his choice. But that’s no guarantee that the team he goes to, will win anything either. Junior decided to leave Seattle, never seen the playoffs again. The Dodgers are as close to guarantee to making the playoffs as a team can w. Their roster isn’t as good as it was 2 years ago. Houston is the most guaranteed team to make the playoffs right now. That could be completely different in 3 years. The Yankees are one of the oldest teams out there. The Roid Sox are the worst team in that division. They also have less pitching than the Angels. The Mariners, are a nice story. Until Trader Jerry feels the pressure to be a WS contender and he starts making bad trades. And that’s coming. The Giants don’t have a better roster than the Angels do. Ben Joyce will the biggest key, to how good the Angels will be this season.
letsplaytwo
LOL……….an Angels fan still bashing Dipoto, who has put together a roster that nearly got to the ALDS last year and traded for Luis Castillo. Get caught up Angelsfan4life. Dipoto is doing a GREAT JOB with the Mariners.
Appalachian_Outlaw
Thus far he’s made about 45m dollars in his career, which isn’t small change. This will be his first -and probably only- mega deal, though. So if the Pirates shock the world and offer 500m, you take it and head to Pittsburgh. If it’s the Angels, you stay. When you’re looking at a ten or twelve year deal, it’s just too hard to size up who’ll be competitive and who won’t, so why stress it?
Halo11Fan
Ohtani has made a fortune outside of baseball.
letsplaytwo
Ohtani isn’t going to Pittsburgh and probably stays on the west coast.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Had Ohtani waited and played two more years in Japan, he would’ve been an unrestricted free agent. MLB execs and agents had predicted Ohtani would sign a minimum of $200MM on that F.A. contract. He chose not to wait. Somehow, I don’t think money is his primary motivator. He was already wealthy and a superstar in Japan.
User 2079935927
THe Pirates are not offering $5m let alone $500m
Marlins_Fan
Anaheim is going nowhere and Ohtani will leave and they will get nothing when he does. Unbelievable he hasn’t been traded already and that they decided to throw away a great opportunity to help rebuild the farm system. If they traded him last season (especially before the season), they could have easily gotten 3 or more great prospects- plus change. If they decide to trade him at the trade deadline this year, they will probably get 1 great prospect. Dysfunctional, incompetent organization that has Zero chance of winning a World Series in the next 5 years.
Samuel
More_Than_4000_AB_In_MLB;
Quit living in the past. Perry Minasian has fixed the farm system. He used all 20 draft picks in 2021 on pitchers. Of course he was ridiculed – including here in the comment section.
MLB.com had a nice article last week detailing that the returns thus far and been surprisingly positive. In today’s MLB a team can always trade excess pitching for position players – not so much he other way around. And buying a quality pitcher is quite expensive – developing your own is what keeps the small market Guardians and Rays in contention, and has been the key to the Astros success.
CleaverGreene
For the most part the Rays do not develop their own pitchers. They trade for them.. Usually, only 3-4 pitchers on their 13 man staff are home grown.
Samuel
SCarton12;
You didn’t comprehend what I wrote……
The Rays develop pitchers, and use many of them in trades.
Halo11Fan
You are the one that thinks a war of 2.5 over 53 games can be extrapolated into a war of 5 over a full season.
No one in their right mind would pay any attention to you.
Marlins_Fan
Wrong. I was using info from a different stat website than you were to extrapolate the number, and you know it, since I said that during the exchange. You’re such a boring liar.
Halo11Fan
You are using bWAr instead of site that crunches stats. You have no credibility. Especially putting so much stock in te games. And dWAR. Lol funny.
Marlins_Fan
Ok, so now it’s not that I ‘can’t do the math’ like you first claimed, but it’s actually that you think Baseball Reference is an unacceptable statistical website. So now, that’s the reason. Again, you’re such a boring liar. Also, I don’t know what ‘te games’ means or is supposed to be referring to.
Halo11Fan
You are putting all this weight on dWAR over 53 games. That makes you insanely ignorant.
Marlins_Fan
Trout has had 1 good season in CF since 2016. 2020 (when he was awful) was a part of the trend. He was also very bad in 2013 and he was bad in 2014. Aside from 2012, he has been a mediocre OF and defense has always been the weakest aspect of his performance. He’s not a good CF and 53 games is not that small of a sample size- especially when it represents almost the full ‘season’ that was 2020.
Halo11Fan
dWAR. Lol funny. Do you still use a VCR as well?
Halo11Fan
It’s so nice to have another team depend on an Angel bullpen member and lose. I’m glad someone other than Angel fans feel the pain of depending on the Angel bullpen..
Marlins_Fan
sportsinfosolutions.com/2022/03/15/why-move-mike-t…
There are more than enough ‘non-Baseball Reference’ stats in this article, including Trout being ranked 32nd in Defensive Runs Saved per 1,000 innings in center field from 2020-2021, as well as sloppy video lowlights of Trout screwing up out there. He’s not a good CF- he should be either a corner OF or a DH. Probably a DH, since the logic of a bad CF becoming good when move to corner OF has been disproved. Trout would also be a liability in the corner OF. He’s an extremely fragile, 1 dimensional DH type of player now and his running game (once great) has deteriorated into nothing.
Halo11Fan
And they are using the same stat. Get with the decade. Go look at Outs above average.
And toss your VCR out..
Marlins_Fan
They use many stats in that article to demonstrate how bad of a CF Trout is. By the way, of course Trout has been refusing to move from CF, since he’s not a team player. Same reason he shamefully sided with Pujols publicly against the team when the piece of garbage Pujols was clearly in the wrong (another terrible Moreno signing and he was already 30+ and in serious decline before arriving in Anaheim).
Halo11Fan
The data was the best we had five years ago. But nothing has evolved more over the last five years than defensive stats.
If you have a thirst for knowledge, and want to learn as much as you can about this game, you’ll move forward, if not, then you’ll keep using obsolete analysis. And no one would apply it over 53 games. Therefore the War you keep bringing up is meaningless.
Marlins_Fan
Trout’s weak noodle of an arm is another aspect of him being a liability in CF- as discussed in the article. I doubt that you believe that he’s actually good in CF.
Halo11Fan
More great analysis. You’re not only stupid, you’re a jerk. Bye.
Marlins_Fan
Good thing that I don’t take insults personally when they are from a nobody like you who is clearly unhinged with barely contained rage. Which is why I have never muted you despite the nearly constant name calling. Whatever.
User 2079935927
How many Gold glove winners won it because of throwing. It’s mostly for making good catches that win games
Marlins_Fan
Gold Glove awards don’t mean much, as they frequently go to the non-best fielder at any given spot on the field. Adam Jones, for example. And in fact, 1 of the main reasons Jones was awarded the Gold Glove (more than once) was because of his throwing ability.
User 2079935927
you’re high. who’s your dealer ?
User 2079935927
ooooh 1 guy.
Marlins_Fan
It’s called ‘an example’ and it also completely refutes the nonsense you said about throwing arm not being taken into account for the award. I’m not going to go through season after season of Gold Glove award winners to type a list for you.
MrAngelFan
What a silly argument. Seems like a an obvious troll post. Trout is still the best CF in the game. Show me anyone that says otherwise and I show someone that doesn;t know baseball. Mike Trout had a back condition last year. He still managed average defense. He had 0 DRS and -2.2 UZR, so not good, but not horrible Fangraphs uses UZR and Baseball Reference uses DRS. Neither uses OAA. His offense makes up for any defensive short comings he may have He had, 40HR and 6.3 WAR in 119 games. Yes, Mike Trout with a bad back is still better than your center fielder. Deal with it. At some point, he won’t be the best, but that hasn’t happen yet.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
The problem with the Angels is that a lot of these big free agents come there to get overpaid and take a vacation/early retirement. Expectations are always low for this club, it shows in the players performance. Guys like Upton, Rendon, Pujols, Cozart, Hamilton, Fowler, Vaugh, etc. no that no one cares if they arent playing well, just laugh it off and take the money. Moreno probably got tired of all this bs, last straw was Rendon’s contract. He should just sell the team and be done with these dogs
User 2079935927
LFG- You’re wrong about 2 players Pujols and Vaughn. Vaughn had good season with the Angels. go look it up. Pujols got the Angels a big TV deal. Sure he didn’t put up the numbers he did in St Louis. He wasn’t total bust either. The jury is still out on Rendon.
kellin
Heh another bad take. Moreno was the one that wanted the likes of Pujols, Hamilton, Rendon and probably Upton as well. Cozarts contact wasn’t franchise killing, neither was Fowler, and Vaughn was before Moreno owned the team.
While the angels will more than likely still lose Ohtani, the team is in a much better place than it’s been in years
Halo11Fan
Pujols led to a huge TV contract. Hamilton was a bust. Rendon story has not been written yet.
As far as Upton, who knows?
Halo11Fan
Hey nice to have Quijada in the game. He gave USA a chance.
outinleftfield
73-89 last season. 2015 was the last year with a winning record. Its been all downhill since then.
If all the balls bounce the right way and Trout, Rendon, and Walsh are all healthy enough to play 140-150 games, we have a real good shot at .500
That is not good enough.
User 2976510776
He can complain about salary cap but that’s no excuse for lousy drafts. Especially first round picks that haven’t lived up to the hype.
He also said,”a new owner that just paid a high price for a team might raise prices….Sometimes people want something and they really don’t know. I really want that car and then they have to make the payments.” so Angel fans are simple minded bumpkins and rubes. He’s saving us from having to spend more money foolishly. What a guy.
And signing replacement level guys to replace your replacement level guys to minor league deals is not building “depth”. It’s like robbing Peter to pay Paul.
outinleftfield
There were lousy drafts because Arte decimated the scouting departments. Until Minassian the Angels had no pro scouts, Arte felt they could do it by video. At one point we had ONE guy as our international scouting department until Eppler came in. We still have one of the smallest scouting departments in baseball. Hard to draft well when you have very few scouts looking at the players.
Arte has always felt and acted that if he just signed a couple of the top players in the league that he would draw enough fans to make it profitable. That he didn’t need to have a winning team, just one with big draws. He is right. 3 million people show up at the Big A every season including this foolish old fart.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
This is weird, after an hour there is only 1 thumbs up (self anointed?)
Never saw this before on this site…
Samuel
Curly;
Angles fans have joined Red Sox fans on here in complaining about past FO administrations, and not watching what the current ones are doing – particularly with their farm systems.
Fact is that at the beginning of last year I watched at least 6-8 Angels vs. Astros games. I don’t remember who won the series – maybe it was tied – but it was like watching 2 top heavyweights battle. Those 2 looked better than any other team in MLB. Then one injury after another hit the Angels, and when Trout went down the bottom fell out. What the front-running fans missed was that as the season progressed the Angels pitching coaches brought along 3 young starters….and while people here complain about their bullpen I was watching their games while listening to radio feeds from the teams playing them; and those broadcasters were concerned about how good their bullpen was. In fact, they dumped Raisel Iglesias and his salary on the Braves as he wasn’t closing out games and they had other bullpenners that were better.
I’m tired of hearing about the Mariners. Julio Rodriguez is not Mike Trout, Luis Castillo is not Shohei Ohtani, and the Angles now have a much deeper and better all-around ML roster that should hold through the inevitable injuries.
A good chance they go to the playoffs in 2023….but lots will happen between today and late September.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
I concur Samuel, I just found it strange how no one “thumbed up”, is that due from a dislocation of the franchise & it’s dubious future & questionable leadership??
Folks are ever so ready to pound that “thumbs up” & it took a long time & a lot of posts before somebody did. I found that very odd.
kellin
I will thumb up your post, Samuel. You’re right about how good the team was looking until Trout went down, and it cost Maddon his job
Samuel
kellin;
I believe Maddon was a part of the problem.
The coaching staff had a much better impact on players after he left. Similar to what happened in Philly when Thompson replaced Gerardi.
A lesson to be learned there about how MLB now operates.
Halo11Fan
There were major issues with this team. The writing was on the wall when Rendon and Walsh and Fletcher went down. I remember talking about how shallow the lineup was and once again I was ripped for being right.
This year doesn’t have the same problems. But it does have the same bad bullpen and that will be a problem.
User 2079935927
Samuel- Trout went down after Maddon was fired. I know this for sure because he played in the last series Maddon managed and that was against the Phillies.
Originally according to Maddon when Minasian came to Maddon’s house he wanted to fire the coaching staff. Maddon talked him out of it. Telling Perry they were doing a great job.
Maddon told Perry he should take the blame. and he was let go. Maddon had a mohawk. He did it to bring some levity into the clubhouse
But Maddon was pissed at Miniasian earlier in the season when he called down to dugout and told Maddon to remove Trout from the game.
That is why Maddon has said he only manage another team if he can be in total control of in game decisions.
He. said you NEVER call down to the dugout. Gene Mauch wondnt stand for it. Neither would Scioscia or Billy Martin and Earl Weaver.
Can you imagine if they did that to Martin and Weaver
BaseballisLife
Sammy, The winning percentage went down with Nevin.
BaseballisLife
Moreno lied. Their revenue is higher than either the Braves or Blue Jays according to Manfred and both of those teams were over $500 million last season.
At $226 million his payroll is under 40% of revenue.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Without opening the books, it’s impossible to ascertain what the actual revenue he is referring to is. Moreno didn’t lie, he was vague. There should’ve been a follow-up interview question and I’m sure he would’ve deflected it to his team president or CFO as any team besides the Braves would have.
BaseballisLife
Manfred said that while the Braves had record revenue in 2021 they were not among the group of top revenue earning clubs that included the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Phillies, Angels, and Rangers.
The Braves were over $500 million in revenue and their books are open.
You can take it any way you want. I say he clearly lied. They are not spending anywhere close to 60% of revenue on payroll. Not 50%. Or even 40%.
outinleftfield
THIS ^^^^^
outinleftfield
How can you tell Arte is lying? His lips are moving.
Angels are a top 7 revenue team. Larger revenue than the Braves. The Braves had revenue of $545 million in 2022. Even if you say the Braves revenue is that high only because of the $64 million they received from postseason play last season, that is still $480 million and the Angels revenue is higher than that. $226 million is no where near 60% of $480 million in revenue. So unless Arte plans on adding $60 million to the payroll before the end of the season, they won’t come even close to 50% of revenue being spent on MLB payroll.
All Arte did was allow Minassian to make short term commitments. EXACTLY what an owner that was selling the team would do. There are no long term contracts and all but two of the additions are off the books at the end of this season.
The Angels were 15 games out of the WC last season. Does anyone believe they added enough with guys like Urshela, Renfroe, and Drury to make it this season?
LFGSD619
Hunter Renfroe will do it
Plugnplay
You forgot the added pitching in Anderson, Estevez, Moore, and who knows who else steps up among the youth and invites.
BTW, this 15 games out thing you talk about is nothing. One might say they could of made that up with the same exact team, with better health.
So an easy “YES”! They have plenty enough to make the playoffs.
outinleftfield
Which is why Las Vegas has them at 80.5 wins. An increase but nothing exceptional, still under .500 and OUT of the playoffs by 9-10 wins.
sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/mlb/mlb-win-total-odds-e…
User 2079935927
Well for one thing when your dealing with anything in the state of California it takes forever..
So it’s bet to go it alone. But California has these Environmental Impact Reports that slow everything down to a crawl.
They (California) want to make sure that when you build something you’re not disturbing the natural habitat of a bird. Or a tiny insect.
Than everyones palm needs to be greased before moving forward.
The Angels have tried to get things going with the City of Anaheim.But the that jack ass Governor Newsom mandated that any new housing project a percentage must include affordable housing. Affordable housing is a nice way of saying the subsidize housing. And with that you get cars parked out on the street that look abandoned. It lowers the value of all the dwellings.
That put a kibosh into the stadium development. Then FBI was looking into Mayor of Anaheim who received $1M in kickbackscks who later resigned
Thats just a small sample of what we the California taxpayers have to put up with. Never mind the droughts, floods ,forest fires, earthquakes and the homeless people who get bussed in from other states and southern open border. And paying more for everything.
THEY LIVE!!!
Arte should offer Ohtani 25% ownership in the team. That is my 2 cents Werth.
emac22
Customary aggressiveness trying to field a team? So you’re saying he’s really bad at the whole baseball thing?
JoeBrady
If Moreno was willing to break the cap, he should’ve done so this year. They aren’t without talent, but they really should’ve added a closer and/or SS.
Halo11Fan
Unless Rengifo plays short, I’m not all that worried about short. Neto may be up before too long.
The pen is terrible. That’s where the Angels should have focused more this off-season.
Samuel
Joe;
They have 3 guys that can close (which is why they traded Raisel Iglesias last year…that were better than him) and 4 guys that can play SS.
Halo11Fan
Samuel, they have one RP who stuff pitching plus was in the top 100 of RPs and that was 89. You can say it, but it doesn’t make it true.
So basically, on average, most teams have 3 better arms in the bullpen than the Angels best arm.
Unless Hezel can work miracles, this will be another botched Perry pen. Ignore it if you like. People have been closing their eyes to this issue for awhile.
johndietz
Who wants to see Mike Trout in the box against Ohtani in the finals? ♂️