FEBRUARY 6: Heyman today provided more specifics of the incentives on Twitter. Greinke will get that $8.5MM guarantee, then $450K for getting to 90 innings pitched and every five innings thereafter up until 135. At 140 innings pitched, he gets a further $300K and keeps adding that amount at each five-inning interval until 185.
FEBRUARY 3: The Royals officially announced Greinke’s new deal. According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post (Twitter link), Greinke will earn $8.5MM in guaranteed money, with up to $7.5MM more available in incentives.
JANUARY 30: The Royals have reached agreement on a one-year contract to bring back veteran starter Zack Greinke, according to Bob Fescoe of 610 Sports Radio in Kansas City. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand hears that the deal will be worth $8-10MM in base salary, plus performance-based bonuses. Greinke is a client of Excel Sports Management.
Greinke began his professional career with the Royals way back in 2002 as the No. 6 overall pick in that year’s MLB Draft. He made his big league debut in KC in 2004 and spent his first seven seasons there, highlighted by an AL Cy Young Award win in 2009. Following successful stints with the Brewers, Angels, Dodgers, Diamondbacks and Astros between 2011-2021, the eccentric right-hander returned to his old stomping grounds in 2022 and worked to a 3.68 ERA in 26 starts covering 137 innings.
His paltry 4.8 K/9 last year was a career-low and ranked as the worst K/9 of all 90 major league pitchers who logged at least 130 innings over the course of the 2022 regular season. But the 39-year-old showed terrific control (1.8 BB/9) and was generally able to induce more soft contact than hard contact to help pave over his diminished swing-and-miss stuff. Among the 585 total batters he faced during the 2022 campaign, Greinke surrendered only 14 home runs. That worked out to a 0.92 HR/9, putting him right around rising studs like Nestor Cortes, Logan Gilbert, Ranger Suarez and George Kirby.
Greinke can hopefully again serve as an innings-eater and clubhouse mentor for a Royals rotation that has undergone a few offseason changes but will still be relying on a lot of youth pushing forward. Brady Singer, 26, stands out as somebody who made significant gains in 2022, perhaps thanks in part to Greinke’s tutelage. Brad Keller, 27, and Daniel Lynch, 27, could use a similar type of molding.
Greinke figures to be named the Opening Day starter for the Royals in 2023, as he was last year. Singer and Keller project to fall in somewhere behind him, along with newcomers Jordan Lyles and Ryan Yarbrough. Kansas City finished 27th among all 30 teams in combined starter ERA (4.76) in 2022, despite Greinke’s contributions and Singer’s mini-breakout. KC’s combined starter K/9 of 6.9 ranked 28th.
genuinely hope he has some sort of resurgence. probably not going to happen but would be super fun to see.
Does he really need a resurgence though? 38 year old Zack Greinke pitching to a 3.68 ERA over 26 starts sounds pretty good to me.
There seems to be a fair amount of value to me, for guys like greinke to contenders that the industry isn’t seeing. 26 starts with a sub 4 era to the royals if they’re below .500 isn’t that valuable. That’s more valuable to the jays or Phillies for example who fancy themselves as fringe contenders and beyond. I don’t think I want him starting a playoff game for me but for 8 million in this day and age in baseball it’s a good gamble for a 5th,6th starter.
@iverbure You’re right, but if you can afford $8m for a 6th starter you either have a lot of controlled guys on your payroll, or you’re going over $300m given all the other needs on a 26-man roster.
Still, that’s exactly where a rich contender should be spending money. Keep guys off the mound who curse you with a 5.50 ERA and a lot of losses. The Rays don’t allow it, Neither do the Dodgers and Houston. The Rays do it with smarts, the Dodgers with money, and the Astros with both. No wonder they won’t miss Verlander in ’23.
Resurgence in what sense? He’s past peak, but he was still good last year.
At this point in his career, is he really worth $8.5-$15MM? If healthy and able to take the ball for 5 innings every 5 turns, that’s very expensive for what you will likely get. He had a great career, and there was a time he was worth that type of contract. Not now.
If he can win 67 games, he’s a lock for the HOF.
Have to probably pitch until he’s 44. But could be done. I mean Wainwright is 42 and still decent
to get 67 wins he might have to pitch until he’s 50.
Would’ve had a better chance to reach that milestone on a contender.
He is a lock for the HOF if he retires today.
He’s not going to retire today. He just signed a new contract with the Kansas City Royals.
I’m assuming that’s a joke. Greinke’s in. Not by a mile, but he’s definitely in.
17 complete games and 5 shutouts.
5 shutouts, tied for 1,176th all time. If he gets one more he can join 232 others tied for 944th place including Steve Avery, Neal Heston and Ben McDonald – nice company there.
Career 3.42 ERA and 123 ERA+ but he didn’t have to pitch late into games. ERA+ does not take into account having to strategize how to get a guy out the 3rd or 4th time through a lineup, only for park factors and opponents.
Can’t compare todays pitchers to those of the finish what you start era.
welp, then I guess no pitchers will enter the HOF after 2030.
Wonder how Chapman and greinke will get along lol
Chapman and anyone, really.
Yeah I bet it’ll be awkward because kc is so young. Not a good leader on chapman’s part.
I wonder if they’ll enter the HOF together
He’ll get to 3,000 K’s before his career is over with. But yeah, he’s already a HOF.
Oh hell yes
Future HOFer returns to KC. Love it!!
Zack the anxiety attack is back!
thats disrespectful to a man who has been open with his struggles with anxiety.
Lol tstats
With an average season he will finish top five all time Royals strikeouts and top ten Royals career wins. If he wasn’t a Royals Hall Fame lock before he will be by seasons end. Borderline MLB Hall Fame at this point and I’d say that’s most likely.
I guess those trades freed up enough cash. Hopefully he has one more decent season left in him
Good to see him hopefully retire in KC blue.
Another starter on the move? It was hinted last week that additional trades were being lineup for the Royals.
Greinke the next best thing in KC, after Mahomes.
@Capt
Except generally, Greinke has a lot more control on the mound and doesn’t throw behind the batter like apparently Mahomes did in college as a reliever. Lol.
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He should finish his career in KC, hope he puts up a great season.
Baseball Refrence doesn’t show him pitching for the Angels after he was traded from the Brewers. But he did.
Yes it does.
2012 28 LAA AL 6 2 .750 3.53
You’re right. My bad.
It happens.
Nice overpayment
Hope I’m wrong, but I’d rather have had Zack in the ATL for $8-10 than Morton at $20…..
Now that the HOF election is won with skee ball tickets, the Royals are banking on their hat in the hall more than his name.
Last stop on the Hall of Fame Farewell Tour.
If Grienke got $8-10 million, no way in hell is Wacha getting $15 million a year.
there’s a reason Wacha remains unsigned. I think his agent must have thought at least one team would get desperate enough to overpay for his current asking price, but so far… nobody has broken
That certainly took longer than it should have.
Finally. Glad they gave him what he wanted. The man was the face of the franchise for a while, I’m happy he will be able to retire in KC. He will probably have a year similar to last year.
If he pitches 130 innings at an ERA of 4 they will probably be satisfied. As to his HOF credentials, yes, he’ s got the stats, even if he doesn’t make 3000 K’s. He personality is what it is–he wouldn’t be coming back if the Royals didn’t want him on the team or in the clubhouse. I don’t see the comparisons to Schilling. Greinke’s an odd duck, Schilling spent a lot of time deliberately angering people. Personally, I think Schilling earned his way in on performance, but I wouldn’t want to be a writer/voter and have to put my personal feelings aside to show how big I was.
Schilling has the numbers and postseason history to be in the Hall of Fame regardless of how he acted outside the game. Normally I’d say character matters, but there are those in the Hall of Fame that have questionable characters. Greinke deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, he doesn’t have any baggage.
Greinke also won silver slugger awards and has more playoff hits than Mike Trout.
Nice veteran pickup for KC. Greinke will lead that rotation in innings.
I’m still shocked that someone thinks Jordan Lyles is worth paying to play baseball in the year 2023.
DarkSide830;
There will be at least 75 pitchers that suit up in MLB that are worse then him.
Make that at least 100 pitchers.
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Terrible take Samuel
Yay! Reset the market (or what’s left of it) and it feels good
Nice to see Greinke finishing his career with the Royals. Not sure how much he has left in the tank as his fastball faded down the stretch, but he survived on placement and movement. It’d be nice if Greinke’s success afforded a resurgence in placement and movement when it comes to drafting and development. Right now, every high school kid focuses on throwing a fastball as hard as they can until their arm explodes in the hopes they’ll be drafted.
I agree, scouts analytics departments jerk off to velocity without looking at what else the prospect has to offer.
WAR is an overrated sabermetric without taking into account GAMES PLAYED AND INNING PLAYED. You must deduct whole numbers from 1-2 for games played or for a single pinch at-bat in a game without playing defense. They must deduct 1-2 whole numbers for games played lower than 100 games or 2-3 whole numbers if lower than 115 games played.
Keith Woolner and Bill James did not consider or imagine the reality of a player or MLB or contracts being advertised or negotiated as being the best, based solely on WAR playing only a few games. He obviously didn’t anticipate anyone thinking he could lead just one team to a World Series with 20 home runs and 60 RBIs. Today’s blind WAR fans think that roster protection is just a matter of luck and they don’t know how to calculate synergy. They think that a leader could be a cheater since it only matters blah blah blah yada yada yada.
Don’t go to hire a replacement with lower value, contracted on purpose to make a player look better. That is not cheating only bad management or administration, and only Pete Rose should be penalized for that.
It was interesting that every baseball writer crowned Julio Rodriguez as ROY in September, ultimately defending their stances with his 6.2 to 5.2 bWAR advantage over Rutschman although Rutschman had a higher WAR/inning average. (Rutschman .062 to Julio’s .055. WAR flavors are based partly on the positional advantage, but people who quote WAR must accept that as part of their claim. Will be interesting to see how the WARs compare this season.
PS: I am not contending WAR/inning is how things should be determined.
WAR is based off plate appearances and innings pitched. i.e. More innings = higher multiplier of WAR. You’re welcome.
Wow, you can read. Way to go, you’re a big boy today!
PS, you will want to look up the meaning of “magnifier” before you misuse it again.
*multiplier* too 🙂
Hope Greinke pitches until he’s Tom Brady’s age.
I’d like to see Greinke go for the 3 thousand Ks mark this season.
Is Greinke a hall of famer? Personally I never thought Scott Rolen would be.
Good point, I probably had Greinke higher up on my potential HOF list
Well he’s got the huge goggle sunglasses at least.
Good for him and KC, hope it works well.
I have absolutely no memory of him with the Angels.
I remember it now once mentioned, but I wouldn’t have remembered before reading this. His path out west to the Dodgers first went briefly through Anaheim.
So very quick math, $13MM (maybe 50K under?) if he makes it to 140 innings?
To me that sounds like he gets a $8.5 million base + $450k for getting to 90 IP + $450k for each additional 5 IP up to 135 or $4.05 million + $300K at 140 innings pitched and then an additional $300k for each additional 5 IP after that.
So if he pitches matches the 137 IP from 2022 he gets a total of $13 million?
If he matches the 171 IP from 2021 he gets a total of $15.1 million?
Please check my math.
One of my favorite players because he doesn’t hide who he is. Wish I watched him in his prime (didn’t get into baseball til 2013). Go Royals! Also cheers to asocial folks. Let’s celebrate happily separate.
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