Feb. 28: The Padres have announced Machado’s new 11-year contract. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune tweets that Machado will receive a $45MM signing bonus that’ll be spread out over the 11-year duration of the contract. He’ll be paid $13MM in each of the next three seasons, $21MM in 2026 and then $35MM per season from 2027-33.
In the short term, the backloaded nature of the contract and the distributed/deferred nature of the signing bonus will provide San Diego with some additional payroll flexibility, though the year-to-year structure of the deal doesn’t impact the luxury tax hit, which is still purely based on the contract’s average annual value. That said, the lower salaries up front will dovetail both with Juan Soto’s remaining club control (through 2024) and with the eventual decrease in salary on Yu Darvish’s more frontloaded extension.
Feb. 26: Manny Machado isn’t going anywhere. The star third baseman was planning to opt out of his contract after the season but will instead stick around, as Machado and the Padres are reportedly finalizing a new 11-year, $350MM contract. The extension begins this year and will run through the 2033 campaign, which will be Machado’s age-40 season. He gets full no-trade protection and the deal does not contain any opt-outs. Since Machado had six years and $180MM remaining on his previous deal, this new agreement will add five years and $170MM in new money for the MVP Sports Group client.
Machado, 30, initially signed a 10-year, $300MM deal with the Padres going into 2019, with that deal affording him the ability to opt-out after five years. That opt-out was looming at the end of the upcoming season and multiple factors made it seem like an easy decision for Machado. For one thing, he has continued to produce at an elite level, including a 2022 season that was perhaps his best yet. He hit 32 home runs and stole nine bases last year, finishing the season with a .298/.366/.531 batting line. His 152 wRC+ indicates he was 52% better than the league average hitter. He was also graded as eight Outs Above Average at third base, with his overall contributions leading to a tally of 7.4 wins above replacement per the calculations of FanGraphs.
In addition to that, the market for elite players has been quite strong this winter, with many players going deep into nine-figure territory. Aaron Judge got a $360MM guarantee, Trea Turner got $300MM, Xander Bogaerts $280MM, Dansby Swanson $177MM, Carlos Rodón $162MM, Jacob deGrom $185MM and Brandon Nimmo $162MM. Since Machado was going to have five years and $150MM remaining on his deal at the end of this year, taking the opt-out was the clear choice from a financial perspective and Machado was quite open about his plans to take that path.
It was reported earlier this month that the Padres were planning to get an extension done with Machado to prevent him from opting out, though the talks seemed to be in jeopardy as recently as a week ago. It was reported at that time that Machado’s camp had set a February 16 deadline for negotiations, after which point he would prefer to put contract talks aside to focus on baseball. The club apparently offered to add five years and $105MM to his deal, which was not enough to get pen on paper. With the deadline having passed, it seemed possible that the season would begin with the uncertainty lingering, though reports on Friday indicated that the discussions were continuing. It seems as though the Friars bumped up their offer enough to get Machado’s reps back to the table and hammered out a deal.
This will add another hefty salary to the long-term books of a San Diego club that has become surprisingly aggressive in recent years. They had never been among the game’s biggest spenders but have changed that reputation recently. In addition to Machado’s contract, they also gave out big deals to Eric Hosmer, Fernando Tatis Jr., Joe Musgrove, Yu Darvish and others. The exact breakdown of Machado’s deal isn’t yet known, but these hefty and lengthy deals mean that the club will have something in the vicinity of $100MM on the books for 2028 already.
That increased spending has launched the club into luxury tax territory, having paid the competitive balance tax in each of the past two seasons. They are sure to do so again here in 2023, having been hovering around the third tier of $273MM in recent weeks. Recent reporting indicated that the club was narrowly below that line but it’s possible this deal might nudge them over for now. The CBT uses a deal’s average annual value rather than the salary in a given year, meaning we can figure Machado’s tax hit without knowing the full breakdown of the new deal. His previous deal came with a $30MM hit but this new one has an AAV of $31.81MM. Roster Resource now calculates the club’s tax number at $273.3MM. Those calculations are unofficial but given the previous reports about how close the club was to the line, it wouldn’t be a surprise if they were indeed a hair over now.
A club’s CBT status isn’t calculated until the end of the season, but given that the Padres are clearly in win-now mode, they will likely be in pursuit of upgrades at the trade deadline this summer. That means they are more likely to see their CBT number increase rather than decrease throughout the season. If they indeed finish up on the north side of that $273MM line, they will face increased rates of taxation but will also see their top pick in the 2024 draft pushed back by ten spots. It seems that owner Peter Seidler is more than willing to pay those penalties as part of making the Padres a competitive club both now and into the future.
For the any clubs that had hopes of making a run at Machado next winter, they will have to come up with other plans for next winter. Machado will no longer be a part of the 2023-2024 free agent class, which will be headlined by Shohei Ohtani and will also feature players like Aaron Nola, Julio Urías and Matt Chapman. For the Padres, they won’t have to worry about filling a vacancy at third base, with Machado now locked in for next season and another decade after that.
Jeff Passan of ESPN first reported that the sides were finalizing a new 11-year deal worth $350MM. Bob Nightengale of USA Today first reported that the deal begins in 2023. Dennis Lin and Britt Ghiroli of The Athletic first reported that there are no opt-outs and that Machado has full no-trade protection (Twitter links).
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
Is he the first player to sign two separate 300M+ contracts?
This kind of kills the excitement from the Daniel Johnson signing news just a few minutes before….
He’s not worth all that kind of dough, San Diego is trying so hard to buy a championship just like the Mets
And only one of those 2 teams can even make it to the World Series, let alone win it, guaranteeing there will be at least one team spending a boatload of money this year on player salaries in futility.
You can’t buy your way into the World Series. You can assemble the best possible team on paper, but you still have to go out and play the games. The best team doesn’t always win. There are injuries, players not living up to expectations, there’s clubhouse drama from clashing egos, and there’s plain old bad luck. Building a good club, however you do it, obviously gives you the best chance. But there are no guarantees.
As Bud Black used to say, “That’s baseball.”
Rarely does the team with the best record in the regular season win the WS.
wouldnt it be funny if neither team makes the world series and some team like the brewers or cubs sneak in,lol.
They’re afraid of losing him to the Mets
Not anymore
You are correct, which is why they signed him ASAP
Mets would of snagged him quick Mets aren’t effing around.
If they were willing to give Correa 12/$315, I shutter to think of what they would have offered Manny. Brett Baty will probably get $200 mil in about 3-4 years.
Well, at least he didn’t disrupt a World Series to opt out/re-sign.
I’m going to switch to being a Padres fan. Never a dull moment
The team is going to be great for a few years, but have fun with 41 year olds Bogaerts and Machado as the left side of your infield
Padres spending a fortune to play in a wild card game.
saint nick,good one,lol i agree with you.
Just like they did last year when they beat your Mets, and your Dodgers.
And still watched the WS from the couch
Not everyone could best your Phillies.
There’s more than one wildcard game these days, bro.
Apparently it’s advantageous. Ask dodger fans
What the f%@#
Man they’re just printing money down there. Good for them!
San Diego B1den$
And by the way, I’ll stop making political joke posts when this site stops writing stories with political or social justice undertones.
damn, I got here before the wow!! guy
LFGSD!
Woooow that’s unexpected. I thought bogaerts or Tatis taking over at 3b after this year but nope!
He was never going anywhere. People think he’s cocky, but thats his humor style. Everyone knew he basically wanted to add through his 40 year old year, and bump up his AAV these next few years, and he’d be good.
he will be good,but mike trout or aaron judge he is not.they are great.
I guess everyone saying he was crazy for asking for 400 mil look foolish.
Well, he didn’t get 400 million so…
I knew he was bluffing. He put pressure on ownership and they caved. I would have, too.
Lol… They didn’t “cave”. They were working together all along….
You got me. The padres clearly won this negotiation.
I think both sides “won”. They added a little AAV these next 5 years for a top 5 player in his prime. Then, he gets a little financial stability until his 40 year old year. What side loses?
Yeah they weren’t gonna even LET him test the open market
Peter Seidler, again proving that the other 29 owners are lying about $$$
28….he still doesn’t throw cash around like Cohen.
LOL I remember a week ago when the fans of both NY teams were like “Welcome to NY in 2024 Manny”
Also Joe Musgrove called, he said he doesn’t think the Mets are very good…….still
Seidler just inked his 4th deal in excess of $280m since 2019.
NONE else is committing like that. Not even Cohen.
Seidler spends like it’s 3am in Vegas, it will probably end badly but who cares.
So perhaps he had no desire playing for the Mets after all??
29 owners? The padres owner isn’t even close to Cohen.
I saw that in 2022, Padres “only” lost 32 Million overall. For a guy who is a billionaire, thats entertainment for him, and doesn’t make a dent his overall worth. Heck, signing these stars will probably add even more value.
Darn
They actually did it
Way too much. This will turn into the Padres version of the Albert Pujols contract that killed the Angels for years.
I guess Shohei is out now.
Except he isnt.. Padres favorites to land him
I wouldn’t say the Padres are the favorites to land Ohtani. They have three huge nine figure contracts on the books for the next decade plus and potentially could have a fourth if they reach a deal with Soto. I still think the Mets are the favorites with Ohtani.
I wouldn’t say any team is the favorite right now to sign Ohtani.
They are favorites to land both Soto and Shohei. And when that happens folks still will not have caught up to what Peter Seidler (see mustache) is doing in quest for a Ring.
Peter Sellers (see mustache) in The Magic Christian adopted Ringo and did similar work only instead of mocking MLB, he mocked the vanity of the wealthy class of England.
That film came out in 1969, same year the MLB Padres were born. The parallels never end. Study this, it will explain to you everything you’re witnessing now.
The Pujols contract didn’t kill the Angels. Sure, it was a problem, but they could have worked around it. They had lots of issues besides Pujols.
Right, like not choosing to keep Albert’s ‘roid guy on retainer.
Man, the Pads payroll is going to look nasty down the road, with Bogaerts and Machado in their late 30s pulling down huge coin. And that I am a little worried about Tatis’ health; hi contract as well could turn into a huge black hole. And they traded away most of their prospect for Soto and others…
If I was Siedler, I would sell the franchise in about 3 years and let someone else deal with the consequences.
tjango If you were Seidler you’d sign Soto through 2040 because you can
@urnuts
Except that Peter Seidler is not Arte Moreno.
And Art Moreno is not Rita Moreno, though I can see him singing America
I’m a Dodgers fan, but I love this for the Padres. I can’t help but see how the Padres are doing business with one of the lowest revenue streams in the game. Those teams in that lower bracket are usually collecting CBA money, while the Padres are out spending more money than the Dodgers with the biggest revenue stream in the game. Is it sustainable? Ask Peter Seidler, and ask any true Padres fan if they care. I’m going to be a little more careful with the San Diego Hermanitos comments this year.
Padres revenue stream is top 10 even without a huge TV deal (local).. they are top 3 merch sales, top5 attendance..theyve grown the business model 200%+ under Erick G.(CEO) and are about to reneg a 30 yr old naming rights to PETCO which should equal 5x to 10x prior deal…and will soon have a new TV deal (local) with the Bally BK.. again a 20+ year old deal which should 2 to 3x prior deal..Pads are swimming in cash and should be fine long term
Yes. They’re showing they can grow revenue streams by winning and being interesting. Meanwhile, the A’s..
Except you are incorrect. Padres were already underwater on revenue when luxury tax is included. The AAV of this extension (and thus the total contract) firmly pushes them into the top tax bracket (which they were going to hit anyway). Padres revenue is $282 million. Payroll will top that by nearly tens of millions. And that is BEFORE a Soto extension. This is a money-losing, win-now experiment akin to what the Marlins pulled a decade or so ago. And we saw how that tuned out.
Comparing the Padres to the Marlins is moronic. The Marlins franchise has been last or second to last in NL attendance in 23 of the last 24 years.
baseball-reference.com/teams/FLA/attend.shtml
The Padres on the other hand were just shy of 3m fans, 5th best in baseball last year and drew around 500k more then the Mets despite them being a 102 win team with a payroll 2nd only to the Dodgers in the league.
Having people give a $*#! about the team is a pretty huge piece of the puzzle.
You’re not accounting for the fact that almost ever seat to every Padres home game this year is already sold out..which not only means millions in extra ticket revenue, but millions more in concessions, apparel, etc. no chance they lose money. Betcha Seidler still ends up at least in the plus 75m-100m when it’s all said and done.
Do you really think that a billionaire hedge fund owner would be so bad with money that he would spend 100% of revenue on payroll?
@Baseballislife: EXACTLY..gotta love these amateur accounts. Lol
*Accountants
Gate receipts are typically about 20% of a team’s revenue. Some people are also mentioning merch and ads, which are even smaller slivers. TV deals are the real moneymakers.
But these are not businesses in the typical sense. The owners are so wealthy that the team is basically like a piece of fine art. It’s not about recouping costs. It’s about selling it for more than you bought it for and enjoying it while you have it.
ABC-Exactly. And I’ve read several estimates that the Padres team value has tripled in the last 5yrs..and with the stars locked up, and multiple pennant/WS chases almost guaranteed, that number’s only gonna go higher. Nobody can change my mind that these contracts and the results of them are not a good business decision. At least not over the next several years..and after that? Being real, a 30m contract is gonna be like a 10m contract now. It sucks to pay without great production..but it’s manageable.
The fact is, if people think that what the owners have sold them over the years is the 100% real story? They need to get real. But keep going amateur accountants..
ABC, gate related revenue averages 30%. Most teams don’t sell out their seasons either.
TV is the majority of revenue for all teams.
We can look at the Braves and Blue Jays and see that teams are making far more than they have been saying.
The Padres are likely taking a haircut on their local TV contract when Diamond Sports Group goes into Chapter 11. Where will the money to pay Machado come from then?
I’m sure they have no idea.
All those billionaires didn’t see the RSN bankruptcies coming? Really?
The Harper looks like an absolute steal now. Anyway, good for the Pads and Manny.
Paying Harper to be injured every year is a steal?
With the numbers he puts up? Absolutely. Especially his playoff numbers. Guy only missed time last yeae because he got plunked in the face. If in your book that means he’s made of glass and always hurt so be it.
He was back in the lineup within a week of being hit in the face. He missed half of last season and most of this season with a bum arm. Missing over a year is not exactly screaming steal of a contract.
The ball that hit his face also hit his wrist leading to significant missed time. He has an arm injury that prevented him from throwing. He played through it putting up stellar numbers as a DH. He had surgery in the offseason so he could get back to playing defense. Clearly the injury didn’t really prevent him from a grear postseason run. He’ll be fine. Ohtani had the same surgery. Anyway, I’m talking about the total contract. The Phillies were going after Harper or Machado. They landed Harper. That deal has better value. Machado cost the Pads much more. That’s my point. Look at Harper’s numbers so far, including the injuries. Look at Machado’s numbers. Both have been excellent. One cost a significant amount more. Harper’s deal seemed insane at the time, but now it’s a steal. Take your Mets fan blinders off. He’s well worth the AAV he’s getting.
LOL @ Mets fan
Harper is about 10 times better than anyone on the Mets roster.
I get the exaggeration, but that would mean he had a 50 WAR last year or something to that effect.
So why did the Mets pummel the Phillies so much last year. Harper should have beat them by himself. I never said Harper wasn’t good. Just that his contract is not a steal missing so much time.
The thing is he missed time cause he got plunked in the face. Not because he has some lingering injury. Context is key. My point about the Harper injury being a steal relates directly to Machado. Harper and Machado signed their initial deals at the same time. Machado opted out. Harper specifically asked for no opt outs. Machado just signed a massive extension. Harper didn’t need to because the original deal locked him up for significantly lower AAV. In this context, the Harper deal was an absolute steal for the value he provides. And congratulations on the head to head record in 2022. Phillies won the NL. Harper put on a show in the playoffs, once again proving his value. Not saying Harper is better than Manny. Manny’s defense pushes him over IMO, but the Harper contract is better for the Phillies.
I agree with everything you’re saying except “plunked in the face” part. He missed time because of his wrist, right? Not anything to do with being hit in the face. If he lost time from being hit in the face, it would be a concussion issue or a broken nose or a contusion of the eye socket. Just wondering why you’re framing it in that context.
Machado and Harper are fairly similar offensively except for the amount of walks Harper gets. I believe baseball has overvalued the walk in the last decade or so. Getting a walk with two outs and nobody on is usually a wasted plate appearance. Machado is significantly better defensively at a more premium position. He misses virtually no time. I don’t have blinders on. I have watched Harper play a lot. I would take Machado day in and day out over Harper. They are bothe getting paid well deserved significant money.
This isn’t a debate about who is better. Like you, I’d say Machado. He offers solid defense at a premium position. Machado should be considered better. What I stated was that Harper’s contract value is better by a mile. And I only bring up the comparison because the two will be forever linked as they signed in the same offseason. The Harper contract is a steal in retrospect, seeing what Manny and others are getting now. That’s all I’m saying
@Ignorant Forgive my semantics, but the ball that plunked Harper in the face also nailed his wrist. That was the same injury. My point is. it came from a HBP as opposed to some chronic issue.
The only question remaining is when will they extend Soto, how many years, and at what cost? Money is no object in SD, so I shudder to think of those numbers……..and oh by the way, SD still intends to be players in the Ohtani sweepstakes. SPEND!!!!! SPEND!!!!!
Soto is the most overrated player in the entire sport. He literally rather walk then get a clutch hit and he’s the worst 23 year old outfielder ive ever seen
lol
I mean if you only saw him last season than sure. If you’ve watched him any other year then you’re statement seems crazy.
His 149 OPS+ last season was awful. Why would any team want a player like that. No way we would let him play RF for the Angels. /S
Yep, you’re right. It’s a good thing they got that Daniel Johnson deal done.
Soto will not get extended they want the two and a half years out of him and then move on.
Padres let the foxes into the hen house.
The small market Padres keep rolling out the dough. On the Southside of Chicago we get bupkes.
hahaha do it
Dodgers turn in 2024 to sign Urias and Y. Yamamoto, or Ohtani instead of the pair.
Now if the Padres announce a Siri extension, that’ll be news.
All 3 of those guys are Padres targets for 2024.. Padres just pouring the foundation for the next decade.. and it ain’t all poured yet
This furthers the Soto to the Mets gloom for Nats fans who also have to watch Harper and Turner.
Man I feel the Padres. So they spend all this money but have a juggernaut in their division(dodgers) who will probably win the division again. So that means the padres most likely will be playing a wild card set against another juggernaut team from the NL east (Mets, braves, Phillies take your pick). So if they happen to stumble a little and have a worse record, then it’s on the road best 2 out of 3 with a top team. That’s rough
That’s the glass half-empty view. They’re a team that will sell out the majority of games this year. They’ll sell tons of merch. They’re good enough to win the division or at the very least have a deep WC run.
I never said they weren’t making good moves. I’m just saying a road series against another top team is nothing more than a crapshoot
It may be a home series if they win the division. Dodgers lost a ton of talent. But yea, the playoffs are a crapshoot.
You think the padres win the division? I agree they have a stacked team but it just seems the dodgers have an endless supply of all stars in their system. Hard to bet against them
On the flip side Latino, LA (with the biggest payroll over the last decade) wins 100 games and finishes 2nd to Pads, they go into wildcard (like they did 2 years ago). It’s a risky business.
I’m not betting against the Dodgers yet, but this is the first time in a long time that I feel like the Padres are better on paper.
The NL is really stacked in general this year. How many teams have a chance to make it out of the AL. Yankees/Astros then uhh rays or Indians maybe? I’m the NL you got padres dodgers braves Mets Phillies. It’s going to be a great year of baseball
Mariners were arguably the second or third best team in the AL last year. I would argue the second best team because although the Yankees had a better overall record the Mariners creamed them in head to head contests and played the Astros harder in the postseason than the Yankees did. Mariners clearly above Cleveland and Tampa.
Yankees, Jays, Rays (Orioles were only 3 games out of WC last season)
Guardians, Twins (White Sox??? They were .500 last season)
Astros, Mariners.
And as a fan, I have to at least SAY that the Angels have a shot at the WC.
This signing, along with the other high dollar moves Siedler has made, has got to be making all the small/ medium size market owners nervous. The old, “We can’t spend what the big market teams do” excuse is just not gonna hold water with those fanbases anymore.
It’s funny how the same people who complain about Albies contract are saying this is too much to pay someone.
Can you provide us with a side-by-side list?
Bye Bye Juan. Would have been a PR disaster if Manny left the Friars. Wait till the Ink Dries before you Rejoice.
Bye bye Juan? He is next up..or maybe Othani 1st.. the plan is to keep all 4 together if not add a 5th(Othani)..this is just 3/5 of the plan
Financially, that doesn’t seem feasible. But what a team that would be.
It’s goodbye Juan or the other.
The Padres have two years of Juan Soto whether they choose to sign him or not. That’s plenty of time to work something out.
I think Juan would take the same offer in SD that he rejected in Washington. He doesn’t want to wind up like Mike Trout, a superstar on a team that hasn’t been to the playoffs in his tenure.
Seidler said yesterday in fact after Machado deal announced “we want to keep Soto here long-term”
Seidler also said when they traded Abrams, Gore, Hassell, Wood etc… that they didn’t do the trade for just 2.5 years of Soto.
I can’t think of a time when Seidler didn’t stand behind his publicly spoken intentions?
But Soto will have to perform in next 2 years and I think he will. And he’ll need to want to stay with Pads, and it seems like he does.
He’ll be 41 at the end of his final year, no opt-outs being reported. Crazy deal, good for him to get the bag, but, I can’t help but wonder: will all of these long term deals blow up on Preller down the stretch?
It’s a great experiment. They have $74M committed to 3 guys at age 41. Their 2027 payroll is already > $150M, with only 6 guys. 5 of those guys will turn 35 (or older) that year.
Who cares? It’s awesome right now and it ain’t my money. All teams go through boom / bust periods as their players inevitably age and turn over. The Padres will just eat those contracts in the end.
It really is a golden age of third baseman.. Manny, Nolan, Ramirez, Chapman . I dare to say Rondon if healthy. Devers. It’s really crazy one of the highest paid positions in the game
Don’t forget about Donaldson!
– Oh wait…..
I’ll never understand why teams pay $60MM a year for 5 years of production and 5 years of crap. Ala Albert Pujols’s angels contract.
No one has eclipsed $50m/yr let alone 60
Which explains why you are not a billionaire.
@Mr big dig I wouldn’t understand that either. Luckily it’s never happened.
Ohtani is really happy to hear that. He’s going to be tho only big name offensive player on the market next year.
Why pay top dollar for the decline years? Lots of choices going forward to try and replace him with younger player, at lower cost, and available ceiling. MM has already shown his best.
You pay for the declining years because you want the productive years. Fans need to look at a $350M/11 contract like:
60M
55
45
45
40
35
30
10
10
10
10
Except that the escalators go the other way which is foolish.
45 x 6
25 x 2
10 x 3
I completely agree with your general point
Padres knew if they didn’t get this done that Steve Cohen either would have gotten him or drove up his market so much that the Padres would have been paying him 40 mil a year.
40yr old Machado playing with 40yr old Xander and 40yr old Darvish all at the same time. Gonna look like a after work softball league eventually haha. I hope all the splurges pay off for them, truly. Good years ahead for Dads fans.
Nah Yu will be 40 and retired by the time Manny is 34.. our rotation when he is 40 will be Lesko 27, Snelling 26, Musgrove 38, etc.. we will have a 25 yr old C Salas, a 27 yr old SS Merrill, a 27 yr old CF Zavala a 32 yr old Sotoband 32 yr old Tatis.. lots of folks in their prime yrs
I have to Believe the Friars have a TEN Year Plan. To many SMART People in the Padre FO. When and if they Trade Juan they will get a load back. Their Scouting and AJ will have it figured out.
Not quite that bad. But in 2028 they will have $75m in luxury tax dollars tied up in a 41yo Darvish and 36yo Machado and Bogaerts. $56m for Bogaerts and Machado from then to 41. As a Giants fan, my point of reference is Crawford at 35. It’s a scary notion.
Dude Darvish will have been retired for 5 years when the others reach their 40’s.
Absolutely ridiculous.
It’s okay, champ. Maybe next year will belong to the reds?
1st player in MLB history to sign 2 $300mil deals
1st player in MLB history to have a batter infraction (Spring Trainning)
Oh Doctor!.. he is building that yellow brick road to Cooperstown
Think they saved the chalk from the batters box during the infraction just in case?
Preller wakes up, stretches, picks up the phone and says, “Hey Mr Manfred…..’eff you and those comments you made last week….and oh yeah, tell Nutting to stay in his lane…
Begins to hum “I did it my way” puts phone down, not bothering to hang up and starts his day….
Must be good to be a Pads fan this Sunday.
I remember being in Jack Murphy Stadium Lounge (Season Ticket Holders) in the 70’s, when Fingers a some the Other Players Came in after they Swept the Dodgers
. PARTY TIME it was like they won the Series. It was just 3 games. Remember the Old Times. THE NEW FRIARS ROCK.
I believe you’re referring to the “Lodge” level? Field, plaza, lodge, press and upper were the sections. I believe you’re also referencing a July 31- August 2, 1978 series where they swept LA .
I remember it as the Loge Level at Jack Murphy…
You are correct, I misspelled it.
You are Correct. Wasn’t it MAGIC???
The pinnacle of my Jack memories was ’98, the walls were literally shaking. Waving hankies, Hells Bells… It was magic and electric!!
Baseball reference shows that his first 5 years were 140 million, and his next 5 were 160 million. 2023 is going to be 32 MM, and the remaining 5 years were 32 MM each, so where is this 6/180 figure coming from? 6*32 = 192, not 180.
They basically just re-allocated the AAV savings on the Darvish deal onto this one. I thought they were going to try to push a 12th year in to lower that tax hit but it barely went up so I get it.
Will be interesting to see when the allocation over years comes out. They’re probably going to want to frontload this so they’re not paying him $30+M when he’s 40
Okay, so clearly they will not be able to re-sign Soto or will have to trade Tatis Jr, right???
Any idiot can be a general manager if they’re given unlimited resources like Preller has. Still have no idea how this team went from a small-mid market to a powerhouse seemlingly overnight?
If you build it, they will come…
Trades have been a big part. Before that it was finding quality talent in prospects that turned into said trades.
This is why opt outs are stupid for the team
They couldn’t have signed Manny without the opt out. It’s one of the reasons he chose the Padres over the White Sox.
Good for Padre fans but I still can’t get over how incredibly bad they will be in the future w older players on huge contracts. But if they win 1 or 2 WS then worth it….I guess.
Good lord.
This defies logic
Players are smart to lock in these long term deals now because TV money is going to dry up and salaries are going to tank before too long. Teams are projected to lose about 70% of TV money over the next few years. I have a feeling that salaries will drop as well. Maybe not by 70%, but I wouldn’t be surprised by a large drop off.
If you are a fan of a mid- to lower-tiered team, you now have hope. Peter Seidler has only been the lead Padres investor for two seasons. He survived cancer twice. Works to lessen the impact of homelessness. And he gets how to be an MLB owner. Just *try* and we’ll have your back. I’ve been a Padres fan since the summer of 1969. I had some very bad years (shudder). There is hope for all of us. Seidler is changing what ownership can do. A few years ago, the Padres were bought on layaway by a player agent who had no money. Anything can happen. As a fan, I want to help. It’s the best feeling a fan can have. Hold on and your team can be here, too.
Angels went through this after Moreno bought the team. He’s owned the team long enough the to now be a “bad” owner.
Enjoy it while you can.
The Angels never went through an owner that was willing to spend whatever it took to win.
Moreno has been about putting just enough big stars on the field to keep the fans coming, not to win.
That is part of why he is a bad owner.
Moreno’s failing isn’t that he doesn’t spend enough money, it’s that he thinks he’s smarter than his GMs and dictates where to spend it. So he makes them do things like trade for Vernon Wells instead letting a professional staff build a wining team.
Arte has always spent JUST ENOUGH money so that no one could say he was cheap, but not enough money to put the team over the top. When the CBT was at $208 million, he spent $180 million. Now that its $233 million he’s spending $220 million this season. Just imagine what Minassian, who has turned out to be a good GM, could have done with another $20 million to spend.
He cut spending on scouting and player development to the bone. You don’t develop the best players without a great scouting and player development staff.
Arte wouldn’t allow the last 2 GMs to sign FA pitchers to long term contracts and the 3 year deal for Anderson is the longest since Wilson’s 5 year FA deal and Weaver’s 5 year extension were signed in 2012. A decade ago.
On top of that you have Arte forcing his GMs to make trades like Wells and signings like Pujols and Hamilton.
I was SOOOOO happy when I thought he was selling.
Well said Baseball Fan. But where were you in late spring April of 1969?
In 1969 I was 10 years old. Our Dad took his three kids to a Padres game while we were on vacation from Chicago. The Padres were pathetic: Ugly uniforms. No fans, No one cared. It’s the first ballgame that held my interest. I turned to my Dad and said “I am becoming a Padres fan. Someone needs to pull for this team..”
Ollie (Brown) was my favorite Padre then, but I was 5 and thought his last name was assigned due to his uni color. Same for Johnny (Padres)…thought he was just Johnny of the Padres.
Podres
So much for that extension ultimatum
This deal will age like whole milk!
They’re after 5-7 productive years at a discount, then he’s out to pasturized.
Ok that one was kinda cheesy!
yes I know my comment reeked of dairy air
A team source confirmed to The Athletic the deal is final nearly an hour ago. Probably should update the headline.
For most Padre fans, it was a done deal weeks ago, even while Nightengale spun rumors to the contrary. Seidler is a man of his word
Will they lower the price for all you can eat, drink seats, since the time of game will be drastically shortened. Just means you have to drink beer that much faster.
I remember picking Gaylord Perry’s games over RANDY Jones Games when we did All you Can Eat/Drink Seats. 3 1/2 hrs Vs 2 hr Games.
I’m curious how much the tickets will go up in say 3 to 4 years.
Best owners in baseball ranked
1) Cohen
2) Seidler
3) Guggenheim group
4) John Middleton
Just one World Series in that group.
2. Dodgers won in 2020 and Phillies were in the WS in 2022
According to the MLBPA for its goals.
Too early to make a list like this. Cohen just started and it remains to be seen if his strategy of splurging for 3 years will be viable. Phillies had 1 playoff appearance in the last decade. I wouldn’t be putting the Phils and Mets on any list yet, although I do like where both teams are now.
Ohtani to the Mets confirmed. Padres won’t be able to afford him especially since resigning Machado to an extension like that!
Everyone said we couldn’t afford Trea or Judge… then they said Manny couldn’t be retained… then they said we wouldn’t pass any upper CBT tiers… then they said we can’t spend on Soto… now you’re writing off Ohtani… keep assuming! LFGSD =)
They said they couldn’t afford Manny 4 years ago. They said they couldn’t afford Tati 14 year/340 MM, couldn’t afford Musgrove 5/100, couldn’t afford to Bogaerts, couldn’t afford Yu, never be able to extend Manny, add pieces like Wacha and Lugo and then they drop $ on Salas and the kid might play next year or year after next as the first teen ROY/AS, and so Seidler pulls out his scissors and cut out the face of Mona Lisa while Ringo laughs
Salas is in camp now and probably starts in the complex league in Arizona completely skipping the DSL. How many 16 year olds do that?
He isn’t going to the weak sister of NYC baseball teams….lol.
Nobody said anything about the Yankees.
Man, this is making owners of teams like the Pirates and Guardians look really bad… Good for the Padres.
Cleveland has pretty firm control of the ALC without spending like fools. They are playing the hand it has been dealt well. They can even trade Bieber next offseason for a mint if he understandably wants to be an unrestricted FA after his walk year.
Pitt/Oak are the natural flip side to NY/LA in a ridiculous economic system that favors geographic location above all else. The MLBPA can take some misers along with the big spenders. Feeder teams aren’t going to be forced or shamed to spend a ton when its playoff probability is low.
Way to Padres and way to go Captain Manny!
At least now he’ll be able to take care of his family.
Now it’s time to focus on baseball for the Padres. Otani and Soto can wait. 2023 is gonna be a fun one…
im a yankee fan and the season is only fun if you win the world series anything less is a failure.
Well okay then…
The last 2 decades have really sucked for you haven’t they? Just one season you could enjoy.
Overpay
Better than the Nimmo deal. He just had his 2nd healthy season in his entire career at 29 and the LOLMets threw $162 million at him.
@Sid Bream Speed Demon Thats not really an own, I think Nimmo got way overpaid as well. Hes barely worth a third of what he got. In fact, I havent liked many of the moves Billy Eppler has made these past 2 seasons. Giving a 40 year old pitcher 80 million makes no sense
Again the problem with baseball
This is not the “problem with baseball”. The Padres are a small market team with a strategy. They figure the cost of doing nothing, like the Pirates, sitting around and watching their home-grown talent go to New York or LA when they become free agents, is more than the cost of signing star players to long contracts. It is also clear that the market for star players is going up, and locking in salaries now will look like fairly reasonable AAV in 5 years. The Braves, on the other hand, are trying to lock up their players early for cheaper. The Rays rely on developing their young talent and making prudent trades to replenish the farm system before their players become free agents. The Mets and Padres are going to throw money at the problem and hope that works. I think the great thing about baseball is that teams are trying different ways to win Championships. Some teams don’t try any of these strategies. That is a problem with your owner, not the sport of baseball.
Great post
Agreed. I’m down with teams doing different things. So much more interesting than everyone following a similar playbook.
Very well said Lark
Good luck with that contract, this pretty much sums up the Padres. Throw their money at guys who don’t move them any closer to winning a WS. Machado is the laziest player I have ever watched, I’m sure that will age even better over 11 years hahahaha! What a bonehead contract this is.
I hope your wrong but my gut tells me you are right.
Top 10 3B defensively 32 HRs 100+RBIs 9 SBs and a .298 BA in 2022. If that’s what u consider lazy, teams should b trying to fill their rosters with what u deem as lazy…..
Machado is not lazy at all. Austin Riley is the better bet long term though and Riley costs $138 million less.
Riley signed while still under team control. While they re comparable position wise, dollar for dollar value they are not exactly comparable.
Also the Braves are the only team able to convince their star players to sign for peanuts
“Ken, you need to listen to me, Ken. He could have low reading comprehension, Ken.”
On top of the Bogaerts contract this should make a Soto extension pretty unlikely. Not just the amount of money itself, but Soto’s almost certainly destined for DH and it doesn’t really make any sense now to tie that up.
I think Manny will be playing 3b a vast majority of this contract like Adrian Beltre. Heck Justin Turner played 3b a majority of the time in 2022 at age 37 and he was never in Machado’s defensive class.
Boegarts I could see shifting to 2b in around 3 years while also playing more 1b during the 2nd half of the contract.
They’ll pay Soto for his bat but I don’t agree that he’ll be a full time DH until he is a couple years into his 30’s, or about when the other deals are almost up.
Nah, I think they’re going to ultimately let Hader walk. They’ve got Suarez, he will make a fine closer.
By the time he gets set in the batters box, the contract will be half complete.
Machado is a great player but SD really missed the opportunity to get the best end of this deal by just letting him opt out. He may decided against it or even if he didn’t, it would have been a good contract that now will turn into wasted 100 million.
Padres are really going to regret having a billion dollars locked up in Tatis Machado Darvish and Bogarts in what 2 or 3 years? Tatis is an injury prone Idiot until proven otherwise. Bogarts has no power and is going to move off short very soon. Darvish is a pitcher in his late 30’s who’s been bad in 2 of his last 4 seasons. Machado has been great but I see him being worth next to nothing in 3 to 4 years.
Going all in now will be fun thou
Yep all those players suck. I’m sure preller and Seidler are already wishing they didn’t have so many bad players.
You left out the part about Tatis being 24 years old. He has plenty of time to figure it out
He had a rough 2022 no doubt, but let’s not forget that last we saw him he hit 42 homers and had an OPS of .975
I understand it’s easy to forget just how good this guy is given some of his antics, but if he truly does come back humbled, watch out.
“until proven otherwise”…doesn’t seem that he forgot
WITH a bum shoulder. That is what gets me. That kid dislocated his shoulder 3 times in 2021 and still played 130 games, totally reworked his swing, hit 42 HR and had a .975 OPS and 166 OPS+.
Five generations of Machado’s set for life!
and they still haven’t extended soto. the new dodgers.
The money for these players is not an issue for the owners. Only the fans and writers wail and say “bad contract” “ you’ll regret it “. Maybe , but the regret is only that their toy team didn’t win. Bad decisions on baseball payroll money affect their teams. Attendance even etc. but it’s still a toy. No owner says hmmm if Manny or Tatis are busts , I gotta sell one of my yachts. We fans focus on the micro but there is such a big pool of money out there , in the macro , player contracts immaterial to owners. Just part of the game.
40 year old Machado at 3rd with 40 year old Xander at short and 40 year old Darvish on this mound. That’ll be fun.
your age class distribution is a bit flawed. When Manny is age 40, Yu will be age 46, retired for 4 years, sunbathing on some tropical beach wearing 3 or 4 WS rings.
“wearing 3-4 rings”
LOL Settle down there cowboy, lets see them get their first WS win before you get all snooty and arrogant.
He never said that he won them…Yu picked em up on ebay.
As a Giants fan watching my team get 3 rings last decade, I’m uniquely experienced in these matters, and allowed as an impartial observer to make a prediction without arrogance, but envy.
I’m almost certain you are being sarcastic at least I hope so because that comes off even more arrogant, but sure I’ll bite I guess. The Giants were a great team, but it takes a lot more than being a good team or even the best team to win multiple chips in a small amount of time. A lot of luck has to go your way too, there is a reason it almost never happens. As a Giants fan you should know that more than most.
Hey relax, I’m just making a prediction as a baseball fan, if that’s not possible without being called arrogant then ok so be it
No, I’m sorry that’s not what my intentions were, I was trying to explain how difficult it would be. I could have done that without the arrogant calling.
Ok. Certainly hard to win a WS, and a lot of luck went the Giants way. My wife and kids are diehard Padre fans, and they supported myGiants back when. I admire Seidler and maybe I’ve become a Padre fan now, in return, and as a fan my hopefulness is a few rings for them too. I have to admit they’re much more interesting than the Giants! It’s all fun and games. Cheers
3 o4 titles for the padres in the next 10 years?BREW88, your delusional. im a yanks fan and i dont believe the yanks will have 3 or 4 titles in the next 5 to 10 years.the yankees have 27 titles.the padres have 0.you will never get 4 in ten years.be greatful when and if you get 1.
Hey slim. But one can be hopeful, no? It’s a wild prediction I know, crazy, insane, nutzo. Ok, delusional, fine. But as a Giants fan living in SD area with a family full of swinging monk fans, I want to see my teen kids jump up and down 2-3 times screaming LFGSD. And yes, 1 would be enough too.
Yes. Let’s immediately judge contracts by their final years.
Love what theyre doing in SD. I just wish they’d spend on new uni’s. That yellow/brown/burnt orangy-thing needs serious help. Looking at them reminds me of soiled underwear. I bet they could afford to shake things up a bit.
yes, a return to the Colbert mustards while winning a WS would be the ultimate showing up of Manfort
I don’t care for their road uniforms, but the Padres home duds are pretty snazzy. Tony Gwynn once said that he loved the brown because the only other sports team wearing the color was the Cleveland Browns.
Tony, Trevor, Manny. Hell of a ring to it.
Yep… when Cooperstown comes calling it’s no fluke. He’ll be there with Willy, Mickey and the Duke
And Gwynn… and Hoffman… and Gossage.
Isn’t Winfield in as a Padre too? I thought I saw his Padres cap at Cooperstown.
He is.
Soto is just waiting for his free agency.
and to think he’s nearly making this year what Tatis will average over this 14 yr contract
Machado was just waiting for free agency. Even said he was opting out at end of season.
So glad he can afford eggs for his family now.
Wowzers
I can somewhat understand how SD is considered a small to mid-market team about a two hour drive away from a major market team in LA but I can’t understand how Oakland is a small market team less than 20 miles from a major market team in SF.
Because that SF team controls most of that large market.
This seems something like a 3 to 5 year plan from this point. At that point they pivot and do something else. What that pivot looks like depends on the how the next 3 years go. I really doubt many baseball teams think too far beyond 2 to 3 year, I don’t see how they could. The Padres are obviously doing anything they can to stock up star talent for that run. I also think keeping Soto might not be as easy as some Padres fans think which may have increased the pressure to keep Machado.
That’s a little harsh on Tatis, but even conceding he’s injury prone, there only like 2 players in MLB history who had higher HR/162 games then his 48 bombs with a minimum of 1000 PA.
McGwire 50/162
Judge 49/162
Tatis 48/162 (as a 20-22 yr old!)
Ruth 46/162
Bonds 41/162
Arod 40/162
Aaron 37/162
Boegarts has a career .207 ISO over the past 5 years.
Yu Darvish past 4 seasons by fWAR
’19 – 2.9
’20 – 2.9 (60 Gm season top 2 CY)
’21 – 2.7
’22 – 4.2
Bad 2 of the last 4?????
For June 7, a weekday, against the Mariners, Padres still have home tickets starting at 21 each before fees.
Padres drunken sailors
Xander Bogaerts signed a 11 year / $280,000,000
Yu Darvish signed a 6 year / $108,000,000
Joe Musgrove signed a 5 year / $100,000,000
Fernando Tatis Jr. signed a 14 year / $340,000,000
Nick Martinez signed a 3 year / $26,000,000
Robert Suarez signed a 5 year / $46,000,000
Michael Wacha signed a 4 year / $26,000,000
Seth Lugo signed a 2 year / $15,000,000
Ha-seong Kim signed a 4 year / $28,000,000
+ Machado $350m
Still paying Hosmer 12.26M for next 3 years
Yet Soto looms as well.
They are going to have many old players in 5-7 years that will not live up to the contract.
As it stands only 3 guys will be around after 6 years. Tatis will be only 30 then.
More stupid money and years
A man and his baseball team. It’s a beautiful thing… Thank you Peter Seidler. I’m still getting over the Chargers leaving. This will help. Go Padres!
Padres will sign Ohtani this coming offseason as well.. they wont stop until they have multiple WS rings.
The padres are such a dumb organization. Preller should be fired for signing so many bad deals. He is going to have a roster of 40 year olds that can’t play making big bucks. Good luck building a team then. He better hope then win in the next couple years because they will be bad for a long time when these guys fall off.
Didn’t your GM throw a tantrum when Manny wouldn’t take his offer? Claimed his offer was better than the Padres’ offer? Now you know why Manny signed with the Padres.
When did the red Sox try to sign him? I’m not a fan of Machado anyway. I watched his lack of hussle during the playoffs when he got traded to the Dodgers. I loved xander but he is not worth that contract. I understand why Boston is reluctant to give 10 year deals because 90% of the time they end badly.
Assumed your username was referring to the White Sox. My bad.
It was the White Sox owner who threw a fit, not Mr. Henry.
Preller isn’t making the decision to give out $300m contracts.
I don’t think they much care about what happens in 2032. Neither do the fans. Neither should you.
These contracts will be bad 2028, not sure where you got 2032. These guys will be in their mid 30s and not very productive. I would care because I take a long-term approach. If you have 150 – 200 million in dead money, how do you build a team? I want my team to compete most years, as I do expect down years. Preller will be long fired and the team will be stuck with bad contracts and no prospects.
Unless they extend Soto, only 3 of those high priced players on the Padres roster today will be on the roster in 2028 and Tatis will be 29 that season and only making $25 million that year.
Bogaerts and Machado will definitely regress, but considering they both started at around 6 WAR in their age 29 seasons, they should still be league average or better at age 35 in 2028.
This is why I hate opt-outs. Signing Manny with no opt-out would have cost the Padres more upfront but it wouldn’t have cost them $170m more.
To those who said the opt-out was a good thing because it would save the Padres from Manny’s inevitable decline years and that they would happily wave goodbye to him after 2023, explain this extension…
You make a good point. I read takes on opt outs like that all the time. Instead of simply taking the more valuable production and letting the player walk or even trading him on his walk year to restock the farm which they need to think of to extend their contention window, they are all in for the next 3 to 5 years and then after that they have a payroll nightmare.
What if they still finish behind the Dodgers?
Manager’s fault – Fired
Behind Giants – Preller fired
Then they finish behind the Dodgers. You just have to build the best team you possibly can and then hope for the best. The problem with winning a World Series is that there are also 29 other teams that want the same thing.
This is absolutely absurd. Five years and $180 million for his age 36–40 seasons. Not one of those years will he be worth what they’re paying him. I feel confident that Preller will not be around for any of those five years.
In my mind, Preller should have been secretly grateful that Machado was going to opt out after the season. It was the perfect excuse to say to his ownership we got the best of this deal on the front end, and let somebody else take this guy’s worst years. Most importantly, it would’ve given Preller the opportunity to seriously go after Soto with big bucks and keep him during seasons where he was going to be a much better player than Machado.
Unless, of course, Seidler is the next Steve Cohen, this is simply ludicrous…
I would look at it like they are paying that extension for those twilight years of his career to keep him around for the next 3 to 4 years productivity because he would otherwise go elsewhere.
I guess I’m not disagreeing with you. However you choose to break the $$$ down seems to be inconsequential to the fact that they will be paying huge dollar amounts to Machado well after his productive years as well as others. I am interested to see if they can navigate the unproductive dollars they will have later and still be competitive or maybe even just relevant.
No Preller shouldn’t have been grateful (secretly or unsecretly) that Manny was going to opt out after 2023 because if he didn’t then Preller could have traded him to some other team for all of that team’s best prospects without eating any money. What sounds better to you: trading Manny for prospects or losing him for nothing? Would you rather have prospects or not have prospects, all other things equal?
The Padres certainly would not have traded Machado of he did NOT opt out. I kind of wonder if you meant to say if he HAD opted out?
They are playoff contenders. No team trades Machado like production for prospects in the middle of a competitive window unless they can’t get him to extend and even then they sometimes don’t.
@SalaryCapMyth Well according to our mutual friend norcalblue Manny absolutely would not have been worth the money in 2024-2028 and Preller should have been secretly happy if Manny opted out because he wouldn’t have had to pay him for those years. If that is indeed the case, why wouldn’t Preller trade Manny if he hadn’t been able to opt out (or simply chose not to)? That kills two birds with one stone: makes it so the Padres don’t have to pay for Manny’s decline years AND allows them to snag all a team’s best prospects.
You wouldn’t get, “all of a team’s best prospects”, for the decline years of that contract…unless the padres were paying 100% of it.
@flamingbagofpoop Well sure you would. If Machado at 5/$150m wasn’t tradeable the Padres would never have tacked an extra 5 years and $170m onto it.
Baseball owners are all billionaires. They can afford it. A billion is a thousand million. That’s an almost incomprehensible amount of money.
@norcalblue You see, what actually happened here is that you undervalue Manny Machado relative to how the actual GM’s value him. If your valuation of Manny Machado was accurate, he wouldn’t have opted out at all.
The Padres better make this next few years count because they are going to have a bunch of old declining ball players taking up payroll. For Padres fans, I hope it happens you deserve something good, but I can’t help to feel like in the not to distant future (4-5yrs?) The Padres are going to regret this strategy, I hope I’m wrong cause it would be nice to see them get that chip but IDK. Guess we will see
This is the window of opportunity not 6 years from now. You worry about it like you own the team.
I obviously know “6 years” isn’t the window of opportunity. I was just saying that if they don’t get that world series it is going to be an exceptionally long and painful rebuild with all those long term deals. I’m not worried at all, they aren’t my favorite team so I could care less. I was just commenting about the situation and wishing you guys the best. You don’t need to get so defensive, I have no problems with the friars.
Asinine. As a Padres fan, this is just stupid economics.
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So many people worrying about 5-6-7 years from now. Who cares, it’s the price you pay for basically a free agent now. He is a top 4-10 player in the league right now.
Of one or two of these guys really suck in their last 2-3 years then they can just eat the money and walk away.
Neither Xander or manny are getting top aav dollars. Xander 25, manny 31.8m, people are too stuck on the number of years. If the padres paid manny 9 years 350m would that sound better or 8 years 320m?
Padres ran up the years to lower the aav and save one some tax dollars. It’s what you have to do to keep cost down when you are a constant tax payer. Pay more now or pay less later.
SIMM,i agree with most of what you say.however manny is not in the top 10 players in mlb.i could easily pick 10 players i would take on my team before him.hes maybe 15,16 or 17 wich is still very good.
You’re crazy if you don’t think manny is a top 10 player. Finished top 3 in mvp votes 2-3 3 years and 4 times already. He had a better years then bookie last year who was 4th on the top 100 right now. Sorry but most people would disagree with you.
In 6 years Xander’s and Manny’s aav will be very reasonable still, if not discounts. If Tatis stays healthy and out of trouble, they get him at age 30 for a veritable steal of an aav. .
That’s where I disagree a little. The aav would be reasonable in those years if they were not old and most likely declining. But like you said, it’ll happen when it happens.
I hope he gets extended from 6’3″ to 6’11”.
And the Phillies’ decision to go after Harper now looks that much better.
I love the Padres and Phillies owners. Both of them have been asked about the crazy spending, and have said things like “does anybody care what the ’27 Yankees payroll was?” They care about their cities and winning baseball more than making every dime that they can. People will remember their teams and be grateful for them, and the owners will do just fine.
Padres are going to be seriously fun to watch, if Tatis stays out of trouble and off the DL. Xander, Machado, Soto, and Tatis might be as good as any four in any lineup in the past 20 years. There have been some good lineups, but hard to come up with one that had a better big four than that.
I think it’s the most explosive lineup in baseball. Going to be a wild year.
There is no longer baseball, there is just money.
Sports is Circus and Bread if you didn’t know. Entertainment is about money what else could it be?
I think you mean bread and circuses.
Ten years (or less) from now, there will be so many bad contracts.
There will be but as long as there are championships won who cares.
Best part about this is the Cubs won’t sign him. Love it.
Crazy
Aj Preller and Peter Siedler will not stop untill they have multiple WS titles… simple as that…. now that chado is locked, dont be surprised if they land Ohtani this offseason. He would love to play with Yu Darvish and before choosing the Angels, he nearly chose the Padres but no DH at the time, ultimately chose the Angels. This offseason can be different..
Its a done deal. Manny is a Padre for life. Lots of people that are eating crow on this site right now.
manny is not a lifetime padre.he spent 5 years with orioles and one year with dodgers.most of the fans in la say he was cancer.
Machado started his career in Baltimore and most fans there will consider him an Oriole for life. Machado spent 2 months, 66 games, with the Dodgers. Now he will spend the rest of his career, a total of 15 years by the time this deal is done, with the Padres.
Risky business!
Trevor Bauer who? Don’t make little brother smack ya again for gettin’ mouthy!
What if he flunks the physical haha
Hey….you know what?
Oooh dang, I forgot for a second because I was laughing at all your ridiculous responses as I went through that 1-5 top of the lineup.
Oooh and this, they’ll be whatever age when their contract expires…jealousy looks ugly on you bruh! The dude stuck with the mid-level chick always has the lame comeback!
@BringBackTheRoids- I wish some league would. Not MLB but with all these weird rule changes and football having leagues like XFL (and all pro-football leagues take steroids) I wish baseball something like that. Maybe 9 defensive players who only play for defense and 4 Barry Bonds juiced up DH’s. The best hitters vs the best pitchers and best fielders. I don’t want steroids in MLB but an XLB version that allowed it like football and wrestling does might be entertaining. A constant stream of power hitters vs power pitchers and great defense should be worth watching in theory. Not at the MLB level though.
Was there ever any doubt?
Kinda sounds like you doubted it.
“Goodbye Manny. Yaniee is going to kill you. Divorce in 2024?”
Geeezus. The Padres now have 5 contracts totaling ~$1.2B
That’s nuts.
Wait until the sign/extend Soto and or Ohtani.
Sooner or later everyone will realize Seidler is going to continue to spend.
I’ve never seen a team spend so much just to finish in 2nd place every season.
I’ve never seen a team like the dodgers spend so much money the last decade only to when a trip to Disneyland land to pick up their Mickey Mouse ring.
The Padres owner would spend another billion for a Mickey Mouse ring.
All those teams trying to get to Anaheim. That’s funny.
The only thing that makes sense with the Padres extensions to guys who will be 40-42 at the end of their contacts is they expect the CBT to go way up in the next 10 years and feel they will be able to release these guys and pay their salaries while still fielding a competitive team.
I don’t care what/who the player is. Never mind when it’s 3/4 guys. 38 to 42 years old is highly unlikely to result in productivity. Look at Pujols contact with LAA (granted he had a hell of a comeback last year but still) there’s no way the team is actually expecting anything from these guys in those years. But the benefit of lowering the AAV now is worth it to have to bit the bullet on the other end.
Even more so with Darvish. With him it seems obvious he said something like I want 3/$90M and they said “okay but let’s make it 5/$90M but you can retire at any time you like and still get paid”
I don’t think they much care right now about what happens in 2031.
Yeah that’s why the front loaded the darvish deal.
What people have to take into account is the tax dollars. By stretching out the years it is saving them million and millions in tax dollars the next 4-7 years. The tax threshold has gone up about 50m in the last decade. It surely will continue to rise the next 5-10 years. Padres aren’t signing these deals thinking these guys will be good when they reach 39-42. That is a sunk cost that they are willing to eat if needed on the back end. Still vastly saves money overall on the deal the first few years. These deals have all but secured the padres will be paying the tax for the next decade.
The $50M increase only helps if you can replace the talent. In four years, you will be paying $100M to four players that will be 34 or older, and will be in decline. That leaves about $148M to build the rest of the team.
But at the end of the day, as long as Seidler (or the NYM & Philly) don’t mind going over $300M, they will almost certainly have a good team.
No team is going to raise payroll that much just because they think the CBT threshold will go up in future seasons. They do it because they believe revenue will go up substantially in future seasons.
When it comes to the CBT, Cohen and Seidler have shown that the CBT threshold is a joke. When one of the 7 smallest market teams can blow past it while still not losing money according to their CEO, then the CBT needs to be raised substantially.
Do you remember the amount that the MLBPA asked for the CBT to start at in the most recent CBA negotiations? $255 million. With the Mets spending $350 million and the small market Padres spending around $270 million, the players are going to demand the lowest level start around where the Padres spending is now when they go back to the table for the next CBA negotiation after the 2026 season.
The MLBPA is also looking at things like the Braves having $545 million in revenue in 2022 and the Blue Jays $524 million. Those 2 teams are not top 5 in revenue and they could still have player payroll of $260-270 million while keeping payroll at 50% of revenue. The players are asking that player salaries and benefits get to the 50% level that it is in all the other major sports, so if teams that are not the top teams in revenue can profitably spend that much. why would the CBT be less than that level?
What ticks me off as an Angels fan is that the Angels ARE a top 5-6 revenue team and Arte has not spent anywhere near that level.
Isn’t this the same team that spent years building up their farm system and was a continuous number 1 in prospect rankings, only to see almost all of them traded away for a few stars and a bunch of flashy names. The lack of homegrown talent will be their downfall. In a few short years the Padres will be looked at as an example of how not to build a baseball team.
Wanna bet?
yes ill bet you,the padres dont win a title this year. send me an email and we will work out details on the amount of the bet
Csspackler, I do. What’s your proposal? Let’s lay out the details so everyone on mlbtr can be witness to it. My proposal – if the Padres win the World Series in the next say..3years (a season of at least 100+ games) I’ll PayPal you $100. If I win and they fail, you have to wear an LA Dodgers PFP for 2 Weeks. Good deal for you, no?
In a couple of years they will have replenished the farm system. It’s already has real talent coming again. Merrill, Zavala, lesko, snelling, Salas. Plus have already agreed to sign the top or top 2 international prospect again next year.
Padres have a great international scouting group. Plus players like manny, tatis, Xander and Soto make it even easier.
They traded away prospects for more than a few mlb guys. Soto, mustrgrove, hader, snell, darvish, cronenworth, Grisham, Nola.
Their Asian international scouting has also lead them to finding guys like Martinez, Suarez and Kim. All of which are playing a big role on the team.
As long as Seidler is willing to have a high payroll the padres will be just fine. People keep asking how long can it last but he is signing guys for 5 plus years. Most have no trade clause so their plan isn’t to cut payroll anytime soon.
They won’t have replenished the farm I. A couple years. They no longer have top 10 draft picks to work with and any prospect that does a good job will just get traded.
Just curious, but have the Dodgers and Yankees had top 10 draft picks to work with in the past decade? Has that stopped them from having great farm systems? How do winning teams keep having all those great prospects when they never have those top 10 draft picks?
Let’s see merril was drafted 21’ and the first round pick 27. Is now a top 20 prospect. That same year the drafted woods in the second round and he is a top 10 prospect. You don’t need to 10 picks to draft well. The dodgers are a great example of this. They have the top farm right now and never draft in the top 20.
This isn’t football or basketball.
The point is the farm won’t make it back to the level it was at 3 years ago. Dodgers and Yankees farm systems are nothing compared to that one.
Dodgers have 7 players in the top 100. 3 in the top 50. They every bit the equal of the Padres farm system of a couple years ago.
The Padres can and will be back in that category in a couple years. They have Merrill a consensus top 20 prospect and Lesko in the top 100 now.
Salas will jump into the top 100 as soon as he actually plays a few pro games. How good is he? At 16 his scouting grades are higher than #14 overall prospect Diego Cartaya’s. He is camp with the Padres and expected to skip the Dominican Summer Leagues and go straight to Arizona Rookie League ball. I cannot remember any prospects that have done that at 16 before.
Zavala is on all of the other top 100 lists except the one by MLB. He will jump into the top 100 as soon as a couple of players graduate.
Snelling will as well.
At 18, Lizarraga put up a 3.43 ERA in the Cal league where the average ERA was 5.12 and the average age is 22. At 18!! He will bust into the top 100 by mid season.
Adam Mazur, the Padres 2nd round draft pick in 2022, has a shot at jumping up the lists once he plays pro ball. The Padres shut him down after he threw 93 innings in college ball last season.
I am going to mention one other name that may make it to the top 100 before graduating to the Padres once there is an injury. Jay Groome. He is sitting 94-95 with his fastball early in camp, velocity he has not seen in years. He put up a 3.16 ERA in 10 starts for El Paso after being traded to the Padres. The average ERA on the Chihuahuas was 5.53 and in the PCL it was 5.39. Its a haven for hitters.
That is 5 and possibly 7 on the to p100 by the middle of this season.
It seems your articulate post above is needed in every mlbtr article/rumor involving the Padres, to clarify the reality of Seidler being in this game for a long time. Fans get it right when they say the Pads are all in. But what they don’t get is that under Seidler they’re all in, in perpetuity.
The Padres overall scouting success, especially international outreach, has been one of the biggest stories in baseball the past 5-7 years, staying under the radar with most fans.
And the WBC is like a recruiting tour for SDP
FW- dumb user name btw. You have absolute no idea what you are talking about so go continue to be worthless and voluntarily unemployed somewhere else….mmmmkkkk big guy?
That’s quite the projection. You ok?
The Padres will be a force to be reckoned with for a long time, despite what a bunch of jealous fans of inferior teams may believe.
You ok DiehardFriarsFan? dumb user name btw.
I never understood why teams feel necessary to throw money at a player a second time after they trigger their opt-out. The Padres were on track to get Machados 5 primes seasons with no strings attached now they have to cross their fingers he stays motivated/healthy going forward.
Because they don’t want to lose the player and know he will get a lot more in FA. Same reason you guys threw money at A-Rod and Aroldis Chapman when they triggered their opt-outs.
I hated those deals for Arod and Chapman. I also knew they were both overrated and choke artists when it counted (A-roids 2009 playoffs aside) and also despised them as people.
With the opt out you get their premium years without the liability of them losing it in their 30’s and it becoming dead money. I would love that ad an owner.
Actually you do get the liability of them losing it in their 30’s and it becoming dead money. In fact, you get it even WORSE because the player will opt out if and only if they DON’T lose it in their 30s. Look at the history of players with opt-outs for proof of that.
The real problem is that the Padres gave Manny Machado an opt-out at all.
Dodgers are WEAK this year. Just look at their new infield it’s absolutely pathetic. Can’t wait to “Slay The Dragon” for a second year in a row. Permanently, most likely. Dave Roberts has already been job hunting behind closed doors. I know it. And every single one of you on this website knows it too.
So Max Muncy and Miguel Rojas are the new rival team competition for Machado?! LMAOOO.
Seems you’ve forgotten karma. That’s why humility is the better course of action.
Miguel Cabrera contract 2.0
Cabrera was a Gold Glove caliber 3B when he signed that extension at age 33?
Sure, but Machado is not the hitter Miggy was
The difference is not that great. 159 OPS+ vs 169 OPS+ in their platform years. The big difference is age.
No he is not just sign a new second $300 million contract…he signed a six year extension on top of the current five years remaining on his contract
No he is not he signed a 6 year extension not a new $300 million
Underpay
This was a ploy on his part just to get more money
What do you want him to do, try to get less money?
All of those saying the Padres will be sorry one day haven’t been paying attention for the last FIVE decades.
We’ve never won anything!
We never spent money and mostly finished 4th or 5th.
You think anyone involved with the Org,or the fans,would prefer that over this?
Lol
I’ll take 10 years with a top 5 team over what I’ve seen since 1969 no matter how it looks in 2033!
Exactly………Aj Preller doing what he’s paid to do Entertain us and keep the Padres in the headlines everyday
3 out of the 5 top trending players are Padres
This what they call marketing winning!
Actually he’s paid to put a winner on the field. It’s better to be a completely boring winner like say, the 2015 Royals, than make a bunch of headline grabbing moves and chase a bunch of shiny objects only to fall flat.
It’s abject foolishness. The Padres would do much better by simply putting that $350 million towards a sensational FA (or plural, if you like) during the 2023-2024 offseason and get the heart of a great player’s career—-not just the end of his peak then a long, bitter rind of decline.
I love franchise players. It’s good for baseball and fans.
Ridiculous. The Padres will be paying Machado 6/190m for his age 36 to 41 seasons.
Meanwhile the Twins are paying Correa, who has been a hair more valuable on the field, 6/200m for his age 28 to 33 seasons.
It’s spelled b-o-n-e-h-e-a-d-e-d. There’s a decent chance Machado will only be ‘worth’ (in MLB’s bizarre finances very roughly $9m per 1 WAR) about what his current contract would pay him: 5/160m in 2024-2028 for 18 rWAR. He’d do that with a pleasant decline of something like 4.6, 4.0, 3,4, 2.7, 2.0 rWAR—then throw in 1.3 rWAR at the finish with the Diamondbacks or Marlins before he hangs them up after his age 36 season and waits the requisite five years before the HOF inducts him in 2035.
In order to ensure they enjoy these three good, not great seasons, then two respectable seasons at about market rate, the Padres are tossing in another $190 million. It’s lunacy. It’s not even close to sane. There’s no argument for it unless you think inflation is going to double digits over the next decade.
Trying to keep a popular player and core intact while remaining perennial contenders has its cost.
He is coming off 2 straight MVP caliber seasons. The next 3 seasons are likely to be great too. Then followed by a couple of good but not great seasons and a couple of respectable league average type seasons then a couple seasons as a respectable hitting DH then a couple of seasons that are just bad.
The NPV on this deal will save the Padrees quite a bit of money here. It’s a decent deal for them.
And I never thought I’d root for the Dodgers! Here’s hoping the Pads don’t even sniff a wildcard.
You hate Machado or what? What’s causing you to root for the doyers?
I understand how paying him less the next four seasons helps by reducing payroll, but what advantage do they get by declaring $45MM of the contract is a signing bonus if it’s paid over 11 years? Why not say it’s all salary with the same pay schedule?
Can’t trade a signing bonus
I guess it allows them, if needed later, to restructure/defer only the signing bonus portion without drawing the ire of the MLBPA.
Give a new meaning to Senior Circuit.
3952-4568, .464 W-L%. 5 division titles and 18 last place finishes. Longest streak of winning seasons 4. Prior to last year, the Padres had 10 consecutive losing seasons (can’t count 2020 as a winning season unless you agree the Dodgers won a World Championship). The Padres have a history of losing far more than they win……until they outlive the shadow of their losing ways, no matter what their payroll is they are just a 2nd division team.
Keep praying that’s the case…Seidler will prove otherwise.
On a side 2020 was a shell of season so it’s fair not to count it as a winning season. Or any season at all for the perhaps of results.
So padres winnings season in a row stands at 1
Padres championships the last 34 years equals the dodgers. Sounds good.
When Machado jogs to first base, the team will follow suit. Non hustling overpaid losers……..
Listened to an interesting take on Machado’s
v Harpers agents yesterday. Both originally became free agents at the same time.
The greatest agent in the universe gets Harper 13 for $330. Machado’s guy ends up getting him 15 for $470. That’s quite the difference. Bryce must have some serious FOMO.
Perhaps Bryce was happy with 330m and didn’t want to become a free agent again. Was more than willing to stay a Philly for life.
Padres back then never spent real dollars or were known for spending like the Phillies.
Different players, different orgs they signed into at that time.
Really don’t think it matters from an agent standpoint.
Machado prob wanted that in his contract to protect vs the padres be the same old padres.
Instead it came up at the right time when huge dollars were being spent so he took advantage of it.
Once again I think this was about the players, orgs and timing…not the agents.
I think Machado’s guy including a 5 yr opt out was very very wise. Dude must have a crystal ball.
Bryce could have stayed a Phillie for life if he had an opt-out. Manny having an opt-out sure didn’t stop him from staying a Padre for life.
The opt-out was precisely for this situation, Manny continuing on his Hall of Fame trajectory and the market changing such that players like him get paid more.
Preller really ended up with his pants around his ankles for giving Manny an opt-out.
This is the kind of franchise-wrecking deal the Tigers gave to Cabrera, except when they did it, he was better than Machado ever was. Sure as sunlight, it wrecked the franchise. The Padres will never win.
I’ve always loved Cabrera but he was never a good fielder and unfortunately he hurt his back in the 2017 WBC and has never been the same since.
Very few players have ever hit like Cabrera in his prime but Machado is way more athletic and I think he will age just fine.
Will Machado be worth 39mil at age 40, unlikely – but clearly he is worth way more than 17mil right now.
I love Miggy. He is one of the greatest hitters I have ever seen. He was coming off a monster year at the plate in 2015 when he signed that extension. He hit .338 with a 169 OPS+ and 4.9 WAR. Insanely good, especially at his age.
The problem with his contact was that he was going into his age 33 season, was already a full time 1B/DH, and had missed 40 plus games because of leg injuries in 2015.
Machado is coming off a 159 OPS+ season with the bat, 6.8 WAR, and hasn’t missed 40 games in the last 8 seasons combined. He was 2nd in MVP voting in his age 29 season. 2023 will be his age 30 season. 3 years is a lifetime in baseball.
Other than both being future HOFers, not a good comparison.
Tigers extended Miggy after 2013…
Miggy was a better hitter than Machado. Miggy had a 169 OPS+ in his platform season compared to Machado’s 159 OPS+. That is 10% better.
Miggy had already been stuck at 1B and DH since 2008 when he signed that extension prior to the 2016 season and he was 3 years older than Machado is now. .
Miggy’s WAR in 2015 was 4.9 compared to 6.8 for Machado in 2022. Machado was the better overall player in his platform season compared to Miggy in his. platform season.
The Padres have 3 full seasons of Machado before he gets to the age Miggy played at in his first season of that extension.
In the 5 seasons after he signed that extension, at age 33-37, Miggy was a 117 OPS+ hitter. If he had played good defense at 3B like Machado does, his WAR would have still been above league average over those 5 seasons.
The Padres have a superstar team for five years. Only three current players have contracts extending to year six. One will be a still-young Tatis.
Manny’s 300M contract, 30M year, became obsolete after four years, so he opted out. And you are all whining that 39M/ year eleven years from now will be too much?
This is sustainable and will work out fine.
Fans of other teams who complain about the outer years of a contract really do it because their team doesn’t have the player. Complaining about something 8+ years out is pretty pointless. Of course Machado won’t be as good then, but the deal is for the next six years. The outer years will allow the Padres to reset, meanwhile, the value of the dollar will deflate, the luxury tax thresholds will be higher, other contracts will be long gone, etc. Spreading the value out over 11 years is preferable to a higher AAV over eight years.
I could see SD taking the west this year.
The one thing about these type of contracts that stands out most to me is how the club can only get their money’s worth if the guy plays at an All-Star level every season. It’s unlikely he will deliver more value than they are paying him, but they take on all the risk of his regression. They almost never work out, and it’s like certain owners never learned from all the similar contracts signed in the past that have been disastrous to the franchise. The GM’s have a pretty good idea they won’t be around when it all blows up, but in the moment today, it makes them look good to the fans. The Padres just ruined their roster flexibility for years to come. This deal will haunt them like Pujols, Cabrera, Rendon, Chris Davis, Cano and many others.
a761506 – right on, Padres 2026 and on will be a catastrophe.
If long term deals didn’t work out the billionaire owners and their genius IVY league employees wouldn’t keep signing those deals.
Mets and Padres are owned by 2 enormous hedge fund managers… I wonder if they have any actual limit to what they will spend…
Does anybody doubt the Mets and Padres will both offer Ohtani $500M next year (assuming he is healthy)? If they run payrolls around $600M/year, would MLB step in and do something g before the CBA is over? At some point it will be a joke to pretend all 30 teams are playing the same game.
He ought to turn over that signing bonus to Dustin Pedroia to make amends for ruining his career.
Hypothetical – if Elon Musk buys the Angels, Warren Buffett buys the Nationals, Jeff Bezos buys the Marlins, Larry Ellison buys the Cubs, and Steve Ballmer buys the Giants…. All insanely rich billionaires with huge egos… How would any low Revenue teams handle it. The league could have 8 to 10 teams with $500M+ payrolls and 8 to 10 with $50M-$75M payrolls. It is happening already. Only a matter of time before more hedge fun billionaires buy teams.
These multi-million dollar contracts sure make me feel poor af lmao…
Best of luck to Machado and the Pads. Padres will sure need to win a championship now or within the next few years with all of those bulky contracts. That said, it’s great to see them trying to win.
The Padres have at least five years of Manny still in his prime, five years of Bogaerts, five ears of Musgrove, and ten years of Tatis.
They’ll likely get ten years of Soto.
I’ll take it.