Feb. 28: The Padres have announced Machado’s new 11-year contract. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune tweets that Machado will receive a $45MM signing bonus that’ll be spread out over the 11-year duration of the contract. He’ll be paid $13MM in each of the next three seasons, $21MM in 2026 and then $35MM per season from 2027-33.
In the short term, the backloaded nature of the contract and the distributed/deferred nature of the signing bonus will provide San Diego with some additional payroll flexibility, though the year-to-year structure of the deal doesn’t impact the luxury tax hit, which is still purely based on the contract’s average annual value. That said, the lower salaries up front will dovetail both with Juan Soto’s remaining club control (through 2024) and with the eventual decrease in salary on Yu Darvish’s more frontloaded extension.
Feb. 26: Manny Machado isn’t going anywhere. The star third baseman was planning to opt out of his contract after the season but will instead stick around, as Machado and the Padres are reportedly finalizing a new 11-year, $350MM contract. The extension begins this year and will run through the 2033 campaign, which will be Machado’s age-40 season. He gets full no-trade protection and the deal does not contain any opt-outs. Since Machado had six years and $180MM remaining on his previous deal, this new agreement will add five years and $170MM in new money for the MVP Sports Group client.
Machado, 30, initially signed a 10-year, $300MM deal with the Padres going into 2019, with that deal affording him the ability to opt-out after five years. That opt-out was looming at the end of the upcoming season and multiple factors made it seem like an easy decision for Machado. For one thing, he has continued to produce at an elite level, including a 2022 season that was perhaps his best yet. He hit 32 home runs and stole nine bases last year, finishing the season with a .298/.366/.531 batting line. His 152 wRC+ indicates he was 52% better than the league average hitter. He was also graded as eight Outs Above Average at third base, with his overall contributions leading to a tally of 7.4 wins above replacement per the calculations of FanGraphs.
In addition to that, the market for elite players has been quite strong this winter, with many players going deep into nine-figure territory. Aaron Judge got a $360MM guarantee, Trea Turner got $300MM, Xander Bogaerts $280MM, Dansby Swanson $177MM, Carlos Rodón $162MM, Jacob deGrom $185MM and Brandon Nimmo $162MM. Since Machado was going to have five years and $150MM remaining on his deal at the end of this year, taking the opt-out was the clear choice from a financial perspective and Machado was quite open about his plans to take that path.
It was reported earlier this month that the Padres were planning to get an extension done with Machado to prevent him from opting out, though the talks seemed to be in jeopardy as recently as a week ago. It was reported at that time that Machado’s camp had set a February 16 deadline for negotiations, after which point he would prefer to put contract talks aside to focus on baseball. The club apparently offered to add five years and $105MM to his deal, which was not enough to get pen on paper. With the deadline having passed, it seemed possible that the season would begin with the uncertainty lingering, though reports on Friday indicated that the discussions were continuing. It seems as though the Friars bumped up their offer enough to get Machado’s reps back to the table and hammered out a deal.
This will add another hefty salary to the long-term books of a San Diego club that has become surprisingly aggressive in recent years. They had never been among the game’s biggest spenders but have changed that reputation recently. In addition to Machado’s contract, they also gave out big deals to Eric Hosmer, Fernando Tatis Jr., Joe Musgrove, Yu Darvish and others. The exact breakdown of Machado’s deal isn’t yet known, but these hefty and lengthy deals mean that the club will have something in the vicinity of $100MM on the books for 2028 already.
That increased spending has launched the club into luxury tax territory, having paid the competitive balance tax in each of the past two seasons. They are sure to do so again here in 2023, having been hovering around the third tier of $273MM in recent weeks. Recent reporting indicated that the club was narrowly below that line but it’s possible this deal might nudge them over for now. The CBT uses a deal’s average annual value rather than the salary in a given year, meaning we can figure Machado’s tax hit without knowing the full breakdown of the new deal. His previous deal came with a $30MM hit but this new one has an AAV of $31.81MM. Roster Resource now calculates the club’s tax number at $273.3MM. Those calculations are unofficial but given the previous reports about how close the club was to the line, it wouldn’t be a surprise if they were indeed a hair over now.
A club’s CBT status isn’t calculated until the end of the season, but given that the Padres are clearly in win-now mode, they will likely be in pursuit of upgrades at the trade deadline this summer. That means they are more likely to see their CBT number increase rather than decrease throughout the season. If they indeed finish up on the north side of that $273MM line, they will face increased rates of taxation but will also see their top pick in the 2024 draft pushed back by ten spots. It seems that owner Peter Seidler is more than willing to pay those penalties as part of making the Padres a competitive club both now and into the future.
For the any clubs that had hopes of making a run at Machado next winter, they will have to come up with other plans for next winter. Machado will no longer be a part of the 2023-2024 free agent class, which will be headlined by Shohei Ohtani and will also feature players like Aaron Nola, Julio Urías and Matt Chapman. For the Padres, they won’t have to worry about filling a vacancy at third base, with Machado now locked in for next season and another decade after that.
Jeff Passan of ESPN first reported that the sides were finalizing a new 11-year deal worth $350MM. Bob Nightengale of USA Today first reported that the deal begins in 2023. Dennis Lin and Britt Ghiroli of The Athletic first reported that there are no opt-outs and that Machado has full no-trade protection (Twitter links).
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
TennVol
Is he the first player to sign two separate 300M+ contracts?
AverageCommenter
Yes
Steve Cohen Owns You
Great signing for the Pads whose meteoric rise is just sour grapes for Los Dodgers.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Most Dodger fans like the Padres spending. Just like the Big Red machine and Giants have been historic rivalries, maybe little brother San Diego can get in on the act.
BlueSkies_LA
Right. Some people seem to see sour grapes in their dreams. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the transformation of the Padres from footnotes into contenders is good for the NLW and good for baseball. I just hope the Dodgers ownership is taking notice, and I’m not convinced that they are.
Redwolves3
Great news for the Giants. Now Zaidi doesn’t have to finish in 2nd place again. Personally I’m glad Machado is signing an extension because he was definitely not a good fit for the Giants.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
A Fool and His Money Are Soon Parted, SD will be whining a few years from now just like they were with Hosmer. I like SD, but this is “spit in the wind” money..
LosPobres1904
Whinning in a few years but winning now.
Pads Fans
When did the Padres whine about Hosmer? When was Hosmer an MVP type player for the Padres?
thecoffinnail
I disagree. He won’t be worth $30+ million a year for more than 4 more years. The Pads are seriously handcuffing their future with these long term contracts. Preller is probably the best GM when it comes to talent evaluation but he sucks when it comes to contracts. He made that painfully obvious when he signed Hosmer and gave Machado an opt out right in the middle of his prime. I hope this roster gets Padres fans a championship because in just a few years they are going to be a clone of the Yankees from a decade ago with no hope of contending. The Darvish contract will be interesting to watch age. With his pitching arsenal he should age well but his injury history makes him a question mark. He has definitely earned the “rockstar GM” moniker.
teufelshunde4
How is Preller best GM when it comes to talent evaluation?
All of the current high end talent on Padres was trade or FA, and Preller’s picks haven’t blown up into superstars on other teams.
It’s a big exaggeration to call Preller the “Best Talent Evaluator”, Preller is better at talking the owner into spending lots of money and taking wild chances.
CleaverGreene
Great signing? The last 5 years will be an albatross. A team with finances can live with one bad contract; the Padres will have 3.
Henry Silvestre
Easy he traded for Luis Castillo (Rea trade got canceled fk)
Traded for a yet to play a pro game Dominican league or not Tatis Jr
Got Paddack,Naylor, Cronesworth, Cease,Azocar etc.. in trades before they were even in AAA
Traded to build the roster Fried, Quantrill, Eflin, Gore, Woods, Bobby Barrels, CJ, Ruiz, and another 80 specs+ over the last 4 yrs ..to build an incredible foundation in SD.. with a bit of help from FA stars (Machado and Xander) as well as astute FA Vet adds (Cruz/Teheran/Carp/Severino)
As for sustainability.. C Salas/SS Merrill/CF Zavala are perhaps the best trio of up the middle prospects in baseball.. cant think of a better trio in any system of up the middle prospects…and he is adding DeVrie (2024 Intl)
On the P side Lesko/Snelling/Mazur/Wolf/Lizarraga/Leija/Williams/Others are going to start arriving in 2024 to 2026.. bolstering the mlb rotation as Yu (retires) and Musgrove (expires after 2027)… Can easily see Othani/Urias or Nola in SD 2024 as well.. perhaps Yamamoto or Snell resigning as a back up plan
Henry Silvestre
How is Tatis a bad contract? He will be in his last few prime years when it expires..
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
*whining*
If you can’t spell whining maybe you won’t be “wining” now (sarcasm)
Hopefully SD contracts are spelled out better than what you posted…
Pads Fans
They haven’t? IIRC the Padres hired Preller before the 2015 season? Most of the prospects have not had a chance to become superstars yet, but at least one has already.
Trea Turner is a superstar. No doubt about that.
Cal Quantrill and Josh Naylor were starters in Cleveland after being traded for Clevinger. Not superstars, but being a major league starter still means they were very good.
Bednar is the closer for the Pirates
Ty France is a starter in Seattle with a 127 OPS+ and Munoz is a reliever I would really like on the Angels.
Gore and Abrams will be starters in Washington this season.
I don’t remember what other prospects they traded away, but I know there were more and that is a pretty good group on that partial list already. 2 major league starting SS including arguably the best in MLB, 2 starting 1B, 2 major league starting pitchers, a closer and a really good setup man.
When it comes to spotting and signing talent Preller’s staff is pretty good. Wish the Angels had their scouting department.
Deleted Userrr
Looks like someone forgot to sign into his “Angels fan” account before commenting.
Simm
Some of the prospects burn out but it doesn’t matter. He traded them while they were prospects and got mlb players back.
There are 3 things that happen to prospects.
You either groom them and bring them up to the major league team.
Trade them
Or they burn out in the minors.
Preller has traded the majority of them. So he got real value for them whether they turned out to be great on another team doesn’t matter. That’s on the other team that acquired them.
Prospects are prospects until they show otherwise. The fact is preller has drafted a bunch of prospects that have been highly rated or showed real talent if not top 100 guys. That has allowed him to trade them for proven mlb players.
There is three ways to get mlb talent.
1) draft, develop and bring prospects to the majors.
2) sign free agents
3) make trades which usually you are trading prospects for mlb players. Once in awhile it’s an mlb player for mlb player type of a trade.
Padres have pushed forward with option 2 and 3 more so then option 1.
People have an issue with this being sustainable because option 2 and 3 are more expensive. So far the padres owner has shown that he will pay for it. While others like the orioles and royals are sitting back and waiting for option 1 to fully pay off. I’d argue the orioles have enough now that they should of spent more this offseason to push forward but they decided they need to give it another year before doing so (unless they never really will spend again).
All these options can create a winner. People talk about how option 1 is more sustainable but it really isn’t. Both will require real money to be spent. Sooner or later (usually within 5 years) all those projects start costing big money. Which will require money to be spent or to have an amazing front office to keep young guys flowing in like the rays. Orgs keep getting rays guys to try and do what they do but we haven’t really seen anyone equal it.
So in almost all cases cash is what sustains you. Just look at the Yankees. Look at the astros who payroll is much higher than it was coming out of the rebuild. The dodgers haven’t spent much this off-season and yet are still currently a tax payer again.
If the padres are willing to continue to have high payrolls then they will continue to be competitive (may have a down year of bad performance) for years to come.
VegasSDfan
You don’t even know the saying, look it up.
sax332n86
Meteoric rise? Let’s see then win a division first. Also, check back in on SD when Soto walks as a FA, and they are stuck paying 40 year olds massive salaries.
Led Hoyer
He’s never on the field and it was completely unnecessary. They gave him market value with 4 years of control. It was a horrible contract.
Deleted Userr
You did NOT just bring up trading Fried, Quantrill and Eflin to try and defend Preller. Like oh my god those trades were terrible.
The_M4N
@Henry Silvestre, so far, it has been a bad contract. Wouldn’t you say?
outinleftfield
BlueSkies, I agree completely. I remember going to games at Dodger Stadium when the Padres were in town and there were only a few dozen Padres fans there and you could buy a great seat in field level. I also remember going to a game at the old Jack Murphy in San Diego when the Dodgers went and there were thousands of Dodger fans there.
I think that this season will be different from what we saw for decades when the Padres were so terrible. I read that the Padres cut off season ticket sales and that nearly all single game tickets were sold already. I was looking at tickets for a Saturday game at Dodger stadium when the Padres are in town in May and there are not many tickets left. It is fun to go to games like that between rivals when the stands are packed.
That makes baseball better for everyone.
outinleftfield
Did the Phillies win their division?
outinleftfield
CJML, Tatis had historic numbers through his 1st 2 seasons. He hit .301 with 39 HR, a .956 OPS, a 155 OPS+, and 6.9 WAR in 143 games and he had just turned 22 when he signed the deal. He was healthy all of 2020 playing 59 of the 60 games. That is why the Padres went after a long term deal then.
Do you really think that the Padres would have gotten the same deal a year later after he went even bigger in 2021? 42 HR. 166 OPS+. 6.6 WAR. In 130 games. He didn’t even have to play 162 games to be top 10 in baseball He was top 15-20 all time after his 1st 3 seasons.
Not likely they would have paid less. He would have gotten $10 million in his first year of arbitration instead of the $5 million salary he was due in 2022. This year his salary will only be $7 million and it would have been double or triple that in arbitration if not for the PED suspension. He doesn’t even hit $20 million in salary until 2025 on the deal they signed.
That was a very good signing. It keeps him on their team through all of his prime years and none of the steep decline years after age 35.
TMQ
The Reds have some elite middle infield talent in the minors
Steve Nebraska
I’m not sure if this counts or not. If after the first year of his contract Machado has signed a 1-year $30 million extension meaning the Padres would still owe him $300 million for the 2nd year in a row, would that count? This is basically that same scenario with different dollar amounts but both would be Machado signing 2 contracts with $300 million totals in them.
The main reason A-Rod counted is because, unlike Machado, A-Rod did in fact actually opt out of his contract making him a free agent. A-Rod signed 2 brand new contracts that had nothing to do with each other at all as he was a free agent when he signed both of them. A-Rod never signed an extension because he was not owed any money at the time he signed either of his contracts. Machado was still owed $180 million at the time this extension was signed because he never opted out.
For Machado this means he signed one $300 million contract plus a $170 million extension. You can’t count the $180 million for Machado because he was already owed that. A-Rod was owed nothing when he signed either contract so it was always all new money when he signed his extension. $180 million of this is not new money for Machado. Like I said before, if he signed a $30 million extension 1 year into his Padres free agent contract would anyone count that as 2 $300 million contracts? It would be a $300 million contract and a $30 million extension. This is the exact same thing except it’s a $170 million extension. Only new money counts because he never actually opted out.
WestCoast89
Its a lot of technicalities. But I think you’re right
Steve Nebraska
@WestCoast89: Yes. Everyone was so hyped up about the possibility of Machado being the first that they forgot A-Rod actually had to opt-out and risk losing over $100 million. Machado never opted out and this contract was started on the base that the Padres already owed Machado $180M. Everyone was halfway expecting Machado to opt out and claim that title but he never did. That’s the big thing. He never opted out. The Padres still owed him that money before conversations started and unlike A-Rod, Machado knew for a fact that money was still going to him. It’s not 2 contracts like free agent A-Rod. It’s one contract and a $170 million extension. End of story.
Pads Fans
Machado’s new contract starts in 2023, so it means his old contract is null and void. Its not a 5 year, $170 million extension. Its a brand new 11 year, $350 million contract. Otherwise he would still have an opt out after next season. When the ink is dry, he will have signed two deals of $300 million.
Pads Fans
Arod never had a $300 million deal. $252 million and then $275 million
LFGSD619
That’s not true. Extensions can be signed on the condition that the player waives the opt-out.
What I want to know is if this changes the actual pay structure for 2023-28 or if it’s just tacking 5 years and $170m onto the back and Manny waives the opt-out.
BaseballisLife
Justme, can you name one? In my field, when we were dealing with union contracts, if we wanted to change conditions of employment we had to tear up the old contract and start a new one. Even if we were proposing a raise. This seems to be the same situation.
How MLB treats it for CBT purposes is obviously different.
LFGSD619
Justin Upton, Clayton Kershaw and Aroldis Chapman previously waived their opt out clauses in exchange for extensions. If you don’t want to call those extensions then go ahead. It’s elementary anyway.
LFGSD619
Ok, it looks like they restructured the 6 years he still had left as opposed to simply tacking 5 years and $170m onto the back. That to me is the difference between an extension and a fully new contract. But again, it’s semantics.
outinleftfield
Kershaw did not waive an opt out clause to sign his extension. In fact he got an opt out in that 7/215 extension and then opted out in 2018.
legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl…
“The Halos announced on Thursday that they’ve signed Upton to a new five-year contract that runs through the 2022 campaign.”
mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/angels-extend-justin-up…
Don’t know about Chapman. Not really a Yankees fan.
LFGSD619
The article you linked to literally says the Angels “extended” Justin Upton. In addition, neither of those players ever got the chance to negotiate with anyone other than the team they ended the prior season with, which is the whole point of an extension.
But again, it’s really just semantics.
outinleftfield
Actually it says “in essence extending his current deal by one year in exchange for tearing up the opt-out provision.”
In reality he signed a brand new deal.
LFGSD619
One could say the exact same thing about Kershaw, Chapman and Machado but five years instead of one year in Machado’s case. But again, semantics. Have a great day OILF and go Padres!
Steve Nebraska
@Superstar Prospect Wander Javier- You are very ignorant of the financial aspect of things. Machado never opted out so he never risked losing anything. $180 million of that is money that Machado was already owed. A-Rod is the only comparison and he actually opted out and risked losing over $100 million. Every penny A-Rod got was brand new money in both contracts.. That’s not true for Machado. That’s the difference. The money owed doesn’t count. The only reason A-rod counted was because no one owed A-Rod a penny when he signed either contract.
@Superstar Prospect Wander Javier- I didn’t mean “ignorant” to explain you as a person. I Just mean it only counts if a player is owed zero money at the time they signed the contract. It only counts if the player put his ass on the line and risked what he was owed to get it. Machado looked like he was going to do that but he didn’t. At the end of the day Machado was already owed a guaranteed $180 million at the time of his extension so that much doesn’t count. A-Rod was owed $0 at the time he signed each contract. That’s the difference.
@Pads Fans- The only thing “brand new” about Machado’s contract is the 5-years $170 million. He was contractually owed money at the time he signed. That’s why I brought up A-Rod. Unlike Machado, A-Rod actually signed his contracts with no money owed to him. He opted out. He didn’t threaten to opt out and then get an extension. There’s a difference. Also, I know most people don’t know this so I’m not trying to bash you for it, but A-Rod’s 2nd contract was actually over $300 million. It was $305 million. $35 million of that was for exclusive marketing rights to be owned by the Yankees. So yes. A-Rod did sign a $300+ million contract. Pujols g0t $240 million for playing plus another $14 million was for marketing making it $254 million. MLB has gotten rid of those clauses though for good reason. That extra money was just paid to A-Rod and Pujols as a way to acquire them but avoid the luxury tax.
@everyone- If some player signs a $300 million contract and then signs a 1 year $30 million extension every year for the next 5 years does that mean he signed 6 $300 million contracts? Of course not. Don’t be stupid. Players either have to hit free agency to make sure all the money is new money or they have to get at least $300 million more than they are already owed. I don’t get this idea of people trying to convince everyone that Machado did something he didn’t. I love Machado. I don’t like A Rod. Facts are facts though.
websoulsurfer
Machado signed a “a new 11-year, $350MM contract”. This is his 2nd $300 million deal. The moment the old contract was voided, this became a new contract. An extension starts after the current contract is over. This one starts in 2023. It doesn’t matter what the idiot gallery is trying to say. That is what happened.
Machado will get what both he and Seidler wanted, for him to be a Padre for life.
Steve Nebraska
It won’t count as two $300 million contacts by MLB though.
websoulsurfer
Yet there it is on the MLB website. How tired do you get from saying so much and being so wrong so often?
Henry Silvestre
Yes it does.. MLB.com just said send the copies of the 2 contracts to Cooperstown.. 1st player to sign 2 different $300+ million dollar contracts..and 1st player to do so with the same team
Steve Nebraska
@Henry- That happens with every MLB contract. I lived in upstate New York for years. I could go to Cooperstown (and did frequently) and find copies of almost any contract. Cooperstown has Tim Tebow’s contract and thousands of other contracts even less important than him. Cooperstown asks for copies of every contract. It’s just part of the process. It means nothing. If you want to say that Machado is the first player to sign multiple contracts that have $300 million owed to him, that’s fine. It means nothing though. It’s like signing a $30 million extension 1-year into his original contract. Who cares? MLB will not hold it in the same category as A-Rod getting actual free agent deals though. I’m sure they market it but it isn’t the same category. Extensions and free agent contracts are very different and MLB makes a point to note the difference. Machado and A-Rod don’t belong in the same conversation contractually and that’s what everyone was wondering. Will Machado beat A-Rod? He didn’t. If people want to create something new to praise Machado about even though he didn’t beat A-Rod, that’s fine. It doesn’t mean anything though.
Deleted Userr
“How tired do you get from saying so much and being so wrong so often?” he says as he ignorantly comments on the same thread from 4 different accounts.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
What’s with Steve getting all weird? It is a fact that Machado signed two DIFFERENT 300 million dollar contracts. This is technically true. It is also true that he did not fully serve each of the contracts. So what? Maybe some day someone will sign and complete two different 300 million dollar contracts but Machado did sign two DIFFERENT 300 million dollar contracts.
Latino Heat
He didn’t sign a 2nd 300 million dollar contract as the article states
“Since Machado had six years and $180MM remaining on his previous deal, this new agreement will add five years and $170MM.”
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
Signed a contract in 2019 that offered him $300M
Signed another in 2023 that offered him $300M
Just because he didn’t get all of the 1st 300M doesn’t mean he didn’t sign 2 $300M contracts
Latino Heat
That’s not how it works.
If you sign a contract for 10 years 300 mil then after 5 years (5/150 left, you’ve made 150mil) they add on another 5 years 150 mil that’s not 600 million it’s 450 million. Still an insane amount of money but he didn’t sign 2 300 million contracts
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
Bro. You are just wrong. He signed 2 contracts both stating to pay him $300M. So he signed 2 $300M dollar contacts. If he never made a dime, he still signed them.
LordD99
Who says that’s not how it works? A-Rod’s two contracts are reported that way. They don’t deduct the years he opted out of his first contract.
Mr big dig
That’s like saying I got the hottest chick in school….to reject me.
Latino Heat
I’m not wrong I even broke it down for you above. The math doesn’t add up he’s not signing for a brand new 300 million contract he’s only adding 5/170
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
If I promise to give you $20 but only give you $5, did I promise to give you $20?
yogineely
Yes he has now signed 2 separate contracts worth up to $300mm.
phenomenalajs
Where you’re AJ Preller and the chick is Manny Machado, a more accurate description would be that the hottest chick broke (or attempted to break) up with you, then you proposed and she accepted.
truthlemonade
I am inclined to believe Superstar Prospect Wander Javier. If you receive a 10 year prison sentence, get paroled after 5 years, commit another crime, and are again sentenced to another 10 year prison sentence, you were sentenced to two 10 year prison sentences, despite serving less than 20 total years.
Mr big dig
True but my phrasing has a comedic twist to it. Short and sweet.
drasco036
He signed one contract that guaranteed him 300 million dollars. Then he signed another contract that guaranteed him 350 million dollars. That’s two contracts worth at least 300 million dollars. See how that works?
drasco036
If you buy a new car for 60k, sell it for 35 five years later and then buy another new car for 60k, did you buy two for 60k each or did you buy one car for 60k and the other for 25k?
Fever Pitch Guy
Latino – Read the first sentence of the article, please.
“The Padres and third baseman Manny Machado are finalizing an 11-year, $350MM contract”.
That makes it quite clear they are tearing up the original contract and replacing it with this new one.
gbs42
The things people choose to argue about…
slimray
YOGINEELY,its obvious you have never signed a contract for a job,lol.he did not sign 2, 300 mil contracts.its a contract extension not 2 contracts.perhaps your still in high school,and you have not been in the work force to understand the difference.if thats the case then ill give you a break.
Fever Pitch Guy
gbs – I remember when guys would get all worked up about the best part of drinking Miller Lite, some thought because it’s less filling and others thought because it tastes great.
mj-2
Wrong
If he opted out and resigned a new deal you’d have a point that he signed two separate $300 mil+ contracts, even if the first before opt out wasn’t fully realized.
What he did here was received an extension for an extra 5 years for $170 mil.
It’s not a brand new contract, it’s an extension on an existing contract like the article states. So you can’t give him credit for a brand new $300+ mil deal. If he had fully opted out and went back into free agency then absolutely you could credit him with that, but that’s not what happened.
CarverAndrews
The sheer effort that can go into these silly disagreements can be mind-boggling most of the time. The Bob Nutting thread was the same.
In the meantime, I have a feeling that this particular deal will not age nearly as well as the Friars hope. All of these crazy ten plus year deals are risky, but Machado…don’t know. Now we have to wonder if they are going to let Soto walk, or will they quadruple down on the long term payroll.
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SonnySteele
Miller Lite might be less filling (whatever that means) but it doesn’t taste great.
SonnySteele
As a Mets fan, I’m glad Machado won’t be a temptation for Steve Cohen in the next off season.
CujoMarlin
Fine. He didn’t sign and fulfill two $300 million contracts. Is everyone okay with this wording?
BLIN7Y
An EXTENSION would have started next year, this “NEW” Contract Starts this Year. They tore up the Old Contract and SIGNED him to a NEW One.
That’s 2 Contracts, not an Extension. Easy to confuse but Technically it’s a New Contract
BPax
Too confusing. That’s why I don’t sign $300 million-dollar contracts. That and my 57 MPH fastball.
BLIN7Y
Yes…So where is the rest of my $20 ?
atlbraves
He might have signed two, but isn’t get paid for two.
JoeJackson4HOF
Either way it’s impressive. Two 300-million contracts or, seen in a different light, a record shattering 15-year, $470-million contract.
nosake
Right? Like you wanna have fun or do you want to be right?
DrDan75
Oh, come on. You know that Cohen would have scooped him right up if he could. Manny has also matured greatly since his time in Baltimore.
drasco036
Does his new contract start this season? That would be incredibly stupid for the Padres since his AAV would increase and push them into the third tier (estimated).
But you are 100% correct that it is a new contract and not an extension. Had Machado contract not changed how he was paid for the next five seasons, it would have been an extension. Given that it does however it’s a new contract (in the eyes of mlb).
dasit
as a yankees fan, i’m glad machado won’t be a temptation for hal steinbrenner in the next off season. great minds…
Magnoiabuck
Manny is a future HOF with 3000+hits and 500+homers when he hangs it up. Man I wish he could have played his career with the Orioles. Would have been one of the franchise all time greats and leader of the team. Padres will win a few WS in this decade. Manny deserves the deal considering what other star players receive.
User 1413108128
Yes…So where is the rest of my $20 ?
I’m saving it so I can afford a hotdog at the Padre’s game this season.
NicoHoerndawg
Exactly and even if this is considered as one contract, well then guess what haters? It just made him have the biggest contract signed probably in all of sports. So anyone who is trying to knock him down a peg isn’t gonna achieve anything. People’s insecurities and hates all are more about themselves than another guy doing his best for himself and his family.
NicoHoerndawg
So did he basically have one contract for $450m, because if this is just all one contract then he just finalized the biggest contract in sports history?
LosPobres1904
Mets and Doyers where drooling at the opportunity. I could see Doyers getting Manny and Ohtani.
dodgerfan83
Bro, he didn’t sign a 2nd $300 mill contract. He signed – 170 mill extension.
Starr247
That’s not what I think rodcannon actually meant. They said they were glad because the Mets won’t be tempted to signing Machado. Probably because Baty will be free to being the Mets third baseman. Besides, everyone already knows Cohen can sign any free agent IF he wants to.
P.S., I don’t think Machado has matured that much.
Dad
Did he make $600 million….
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
Mr. Heat — please show me this 5 year 170 million dollar contract. You can’t because it does not exist.
phenomenalajs
It’s a matter of semantics. Technically, he opted out of the remainder of one and signed a second one. That doesn’t take away from the fact that the first one was a $300M contract when he signed it. This one has no opt-outs, so it will have to be completed in its entirety barring serious violations.
Latino Heat
He didn’t opt out. They just added 5/170 to the remaining 6/180
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
“…finalizing an 11-year, $350MM contract, reports Jeff Passan of ESPN. The contract will begin this year…”
It’s a new contract.
I give no fox
Let’s just settle this. His old contract included opt outs, one after this season. This new 11 year contract does not include any opt outs. Therefore, it is NOT adding years to the existing contract because he should still have the opportunity to opt out under his original contract. You are right that he didn’t opt out. What most likely happened is both sides agreed to terminate the old contract and sign a new 11 year deal. Is everyone satisfied? You were all half right
Fever Pitch Guy
phenom – He did not opt out. Players can opt out only during the time periods specified in the contract, this was not one of those time periods.
Both sides decided to tear up the old contract, something that can be done ANYTIME by ANY players and management whenever they agree on a new contract.
Latino Heat
Then the 6/180 gets voided. So okay yes he may have signed 2 300 contracts but what I’m saying is he will not make 600+ million
TheWomanWithTheGlassEye
No one is stating he will be making 600 million. He signed a contract for 300 mil, then it got reworked and so they had to draw up a new contract worth 300 mil and he signed that. That’s twice he did it. No argument needed. Simple and straightforward. Really glad you finally came around and figured it out even if you needed a lot of help.
phenomenalajs
Of course. I think that was the point of what many of us were saying. The question was: “Is Machado the first player to sign two $300M contracts?” The correct answer to that one is “Yes.”
Others are correct here. He didn’t opt out, but he signaled his intention to do so. Therefore, both parties agreed to terminate the existing contract and replace it.
PadreB2011
@Latino…you’re the ONLY one on here bringing up $600 million…drop it Bro! It doesn’t matter!
Lorenzo
We don’t know the particulars. The Padres may have sweetened the next few years to give him more, and pay him less in his late 30s.
Pads Fans
They tore up his existing contract and signed a new one. The more you try to argue in vain that he didn’t sign a 2nd $300 million contract, the more even you will know you are wrong.
When they put ink to paper, Machado will be the 1st player in MLB history to sign 2 contracts for $300 million or more.
Pads Fans
Fever pitch, what he did do was agree to tear up his old contract. Its over. A new one starts with opening day 2023. That one is for 11 years and $350 million.
nitnontu
Thank you, phenomenalajs!! It certainly is a matter of semantics. It’s true that he won’t receive over $600 million. I agree that this is a bit confusing and I don’t necessarily think not liking Machado is the reason why some are arguing that this is just an extension because in effect it is. But the fact remains that he has signed two $300 million contracts.
Steve Nebraska
@Superstar Prospect Wander Javier- You are very ignorant of the financial aspect of things. Machado never opted out so he never risked losing anything. $180 million of that is money that Machado was already owed. A-Rod is the only comparison and he actually opted out and risked losing over $100 million. Every penny A-Rod got was brand new money in both contracts.. That’s not true for Machado. That’s the difference. The money owed doesn’t count. The only reason A-rod counted was because no one owed A-Rod a penny when he signed either contract.
@Superstar Prospect Wander Javier- I didn’t mean “ignorant” to explain you as a person. I Just mean it only counts if a player is owed zero money at the time they signed the contract. It only counts if the player put his ass on the line and risked what he was owed to get it. Machado looked like he was going to do that but he didn’t. At the end of the day Machado was already owed a guaranteed $180 million at the time of his extension so that much doesn’t count. A-Rod was owed $0 at the time he signed each contract. That’s the difference.
Lorenzo
He had $192M left in his last six years, including this season. The $30M everyone uses is the AVERAGE. He signed for $10M the first year and $30M the next 9 years, with a $20M bonus paid out over the 10 years at $2M/year.
The first contract was a total of $300M over 10 years. Now he’ll throw the last six years of that plus five years more into ANOTHER contract worth $350M. Just because he didn’t finish the first contract doesn’t mean his won’t be signing two $300M contracts.
BaseballisLife
He had $180 million left over 6 seasons left.
Pads Fans
Lorenzo, Machado signed a deal for 10/300 with an opt out after season 5 that included $10 million in salary for the 1st season and a $20 million signing bonus that was due e30 days after MLB approved the deal. Each season after that he was to be paid an even $30 million per season.
The signing bonus was NOT paid out over the 10 years. Some website just automatically prorate it that way.
Machado was due $30 million in 2023 and $30 million in each of 2024-2028 on his old deal That is a total of $180 million over 6 years.
Now that is null and void He will be owed $350 million from 2023-2033 on his new deal.
NicoHoerndawg
So you’re saying he’s signed a $450m contract? Still a record.
Pads Fans
If it was not an entirely new deal, Machado would have still had an opt out at the end of the 2023 season.
Dogbone
Will there be another ‘opt out’ in this new deal?
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
“The new deal does not contain any opt-outs”
cobby
No opt out.
Steve Cohen Owns You
Do you read?
Francys01
Oh, Mets will not be able to sign Machado anymore. Machado is an excellent player and I’m glad for him that he got a contract extension. That’s a very good contract.
LosPobres1904
I hApPy hE No CoMin tO MeTs
Old timer 78
Creative Financial Contract. Very Smart FRONT OFFICE. Friar Faithful Dancing in the Streets.
mike127
This kind of kills the excitement from the Daniel Johnson signing news just a few minutes before….
Elbo
He’s not worth all that kind of dough, San Diego is trying so hard to buy a championship just like the Mets
kingken67
And only one of those 2 teams can even make it to the World Series, let alone win it, guaranteeing there will be at least one team spending a boatload of money this year on player salaries in futility.
DrDan75
You can’t buy your way into the World Series. You can assemble the best possible team on paper, but you still have to go out and play the games. The best team doesn’t always win. There are injuries, players not living up to expectations, there’s clubhouse drama from clashing egos, and there’s plain old bad luck. Building a good club, however you do it, obviously gives you the best chance. But there are no guarantees.
Lorenzo
As Bud Black used to say, “That’s baseball.”
websoulsurfer
Rarely does the team with the best record in the regular season win the WS.
slimray
wouldnt it be funny if neither team makes the world series and some team like the brewers or cubs sneak in,lol.
isolatedpower
They’re afraid of losing him to the Mets
dvmin98
Not anymore
isolatedpower
You are correct, which is why they signed him ASAP
LosPobres1904
Mets would of snagged him quick Mets aren’t effing around.
isolatedpower
If they were willing to give Correa 12/$315, I shutter to think of what they would have offered Manny. Brett Baty will probably get $200 mil in about 3-4 years.
abcrazy4dodgers
Well, at least he didn’t disrupt a World Series to opt out/re-sign.
natsgm
I’m going to switch to being a Padres fan. Never a dull moment
johndietz
Arte, PAY ATTENTION!!!
ibuititnoonecame
Why??? What have they won…..
towinagain
But…if at first you don’t succeed, try try again and man AJ does that. Hard work pays off
VegasSDfan
You don’t go from a proverbial 100 loss team to a championship caliber team overnight.
Clearly, they are all in and going for a championship a s hard as they can.
Its just matter of time with this team.
ibuititnoonecame
You have to have the right chemistry.
Brew88
They were one of the last 4 teams standing last year in October ibuit. That’s success, no?
Boston2AZ
What have they won, ibuititnoonecame? Nothing. But you know what? Neither do 29 other teams every year. The Padres provide 6 months of enjoyment and competition for their fans. That’s WAY more than most teams do and it makes them easy to root for.
ibuititnoonecame
IMO No not with that money spent last year. This year the money is even more it’s championship or failure.
ibuititnoonecame
Also I didn’t say it isn’t fun what they are doing. As a fan right now and for 1-3 years it’s fantastic. But the bill will come due. Any and all teams handing out 11 year deals to players older than 25-26 are Insaine. Please tell me what 300 kill 10 plus year deal has worked out well.
Lorenzo
And the right owner, with deep pockets. This isn’t coming out of existing revenue.
Lorenzo
They’re not spending it all in one year. The contracts are for multiple years of contention.
SalaryCapMyth
@ibuit- Another way to say what you said is, it’s only success if the amount of money they spent is not above X amount of dollars. That seems like a peculiar way to evaluate success. I think it’s a little more common to measure success based on how you did against your competition.
Ma4170
I agree it’s great to see teams go for it like this, but when it seems such a clear overpay for declining years it lessens the value. If they win the WS in the next few years though then it’s all worth it I guess. I feel like it will force SD to be a top heavy team with below average value at the non star positions though.
ibuititnoonecame
Nope didn’t say that don’t think that. It’s only a success if you win the title.
ibuititnoonecame
Name the 10 year contract that has brought a title and didn’t age horribly????
BaseballisLife
Betts.
ibuititnoonecame
Brought a title yes. We need to see how it ages I would predict it ends badly.
LosPobres1904
So don’t try like the Pirates? B like the As? You’re comment makes zero sense.
Pads Fans
The CEO said last week that they didn’t lose money in 2022 and they won’t in 2023. No one knows the Padres financial situation better than he does.
I am thinking they are just fine and the bill has not come due nor will it any time soon. With the core locked up this team will win for the next 4-5 years and as long as they are winning, the revenue will keep pouring in. .
Pads Fans
Lorenzo, the CEO said that it is coming out of existing revenue. That the ownership group has not had to “come out of pocket” yet. Quite sure he knows the financial situation of the team better than we do.
Pads Fans
So you are saying that 29 teams are a failure every season?
Pads Fans
Name a 10 year contract that aged horribly. I only know of one. Pujols.
Interestingly enough Arte Moreno said that Pujols was the best contract he ever signed and he made the team money. I guess you have to clarify what you mean by age horribly.
With a definition of performance judged by WAR,
If Trout’s career ended today his deal is a great one for the Angels.
If Harper’s deal is in surplus value for the Phillies so far.
Machado had provided $30 million in surplus value through the 1st 4 seasons.
Lindor’s deal is only $4 million in surplus value after 2 years.
Stanton’s deal has provided $196 million in value while he was paid $175 million from 2015-2022. Good so far.
Joey Votto’s deal has been a big winner. He could take 2023 off and its still a great deal for the Reds.
Alex Rodriguez was a huge clunker in his 2nd deal, but not because of performance. Because he was not on the field because of PED suspensions. He wasn’t paid in those seasons, so based on performance per dollar paid it was still a good deal for the Yankees
So what deals exactly are you talking about?
slimray
that makes them one of the last 4 loosers.
AverageCommenter
The team is going to be great for a few years, but have fun with 41 year olds Bogaerts and Machado as the left side of your infield
duffys cliff
If you think those two are going to stick with their original positions at that stage of their careers, I have some oceanfront property in North Dakota you may be interested in.
AverageCommenter
I know that, but the point is at some point the either will have to eat a lot of money, or be stuck with a lot of aging stars
duffys cliff
Oh yeah, no I agree with you there. In the not too distant future, they’re going to have a lot of aging stars. Great for their 3-5 year plan, not so much for the 5-10 year plan.
avenger65
But the Padres are looking at this as win now. They’ll worry about the future later.
LordD99
Seidler will do what he did with Hosmer. Eat the contract at the end. Could also time it to a rebuild period. He’s playing to win. Good for him and Padre fans.
StreakingBlue
After the team gets sold to some schmuck.
deweybelongsinthehall
Agreed but unless the CBA changes, I don’t see how they will get under the taxes and their future draft picks and international pool money will only get worse. They will have to continue to spend as injuries and age catches up to the current roster. The Mets mixing in long and short term deals so they can in a few years reset to then re-load. Such assumes the Mets will not sign Ohtani.
Lorenzo
Right now, the Padres have a 42 year old RHH DH, and a 37 year old LHH DH (who plays 1B and RF right now). They’ll both be gone, opening up DH/1B for Manny and Xander in their late 30s. Look at how the Reds deal with Votto and the Tigers deal with Cabrera.
Lorenzo
A rebuild might never be necessary, just a reload once in a while. The Padres have 24 year old Tatis signed for 12 more years. When Manny and Xander are 36, he’ll only be 30. Other younger players will come along, and the team can still be competitive for 6-7-8 more years, not just 1 or 2 and done.
ibuititnoonecame
Has Tatis proven he can be counted on? Do we know he only took steroids to get healthy or was he Always on them. Machado and Xander will noticeably decline by year 3 of these deals as far as performance compared to level of pay.
Pads Fans
In 2024 the Padres have a $197.6 million CBT payroll including projected arbitration cases but not including player options with a CBT threshold of $237 million. If all the players pick up their options the Padres are at $232 million.
In 2025 they have a $177.6 CBT payroll including projected arbitration cases but not including player options with a CBT threshold of $241 million. If all the players pick up their options they are at $236 million.
Pads Fans
Have you heard of testing? The only time players were not being tested in the offseason was when there was a lockout. When did he use steroids? During the lockout.
Machado and Bogaerts will begin regressing in the 2nd year of each deal. About 7% per season until they hit 36 and then the regression will steepen.
That said, both will provide 32-36 WAR over the next 11 seasons based on the base level of their last 2 seasons, 5.3 WAR for Bogaerts and 6.0 WAR for Machado) and the regression we know is coming.
websoulsurfer
So, what you are saying is that their payroll will end up between those two numbers? Don’t forget that they will also have to replace the FA they will lose.
ibuititnoonecame
Don’t be crazy they have ways around tests. The minute they have a test people are making ways to get around them
Pads Fans
The player take blood tests and hair follicle tests today. Its not just peeing in a cup. Unless there is at least 3 months from the time any steroid is taken to the time the unannounced testing is done, then they are at risk of being popped. And some PED like Clostebol stay in your fatty tissue even longer.
Go get some knowledge of how the tests are done and the different PED out there. If he was cheating as a regular course of action he would not have used Clotebol and he would have been popped long ago if he was using Clostebol prior to the lockout when there was regular and unannounced testing.
You still have not answered my question about 10 year deals that aged badly.
Pads Fans
Just saying that payroll will be at those levels with the players that will still be under contract. Some of those positions will be filled with young players that make less and some will be FA agents that have to be signed.
oscar gamble
How much per acre?
deweybelongsinthehall
Love your handle. Although I’m a Sox fan, I loved seeing Gamble in the box with that fro sticking out of his Helmut as he crouched down in his stance.
deeds
How much?
User 401527550
Ok so have fun with the right side of your infield.
Lyman Bostock
Lol those are the condos right near where they’re building the new MLB expansion team’s stadium right?
CrikesAlready
Humm… Sewer or septic tank??? Natural gas, other utilities?
8-D
stymeedone
Ok, have fun paying an aging DH and 1B that type of money, while they produce Hosmer type numbers late in the contracts. Doesn’t make it any better does it, Duffy?
ARC 2
He may have 5 years left on defense then its 5 years as a DH/1B. This is why baseball is so expensive paying old players for what they did in the past.
duffys cliff
I never said that was good either, stymeedone.
A comparable example to what they’re doing is the late 2010s Nats, just with more money being spent I think.
I’ll let you all decide if that’s a good move or not. Flags fly forever, but do you want to be in the basement for years after that? Decisions, decisions…
Senioreditor
It’s expensive because EVERYTHING is expensive. Every professional sport is expensive to attend regardless of the contract price. It’s doesn’t cost $3.50 to attend A’s games because they’re payroll is low.. NBA, NFL, NHL all expensive with zero 300 million dollar contracts.
dvmin98
If they bring a championship to SD, no one will gaf
ARC 2
How I look at attending a game now days is it worth almost a day’s wages to go to a game after paying for 2 tickets, parking, gas, food, and drinks? then dealing with wasting a hour to get out of the parking lot? Nope.
baumann
This is why more teams need to invest in light rail and other public transit leading to their ballparks. 🙂
Pads Fans
Padres have light rail that comes to the ballpark and free parking at all the stops With an average ticket at $27, you are in and out for under $100 on average for 2 people including food and drinks at the ballpark. I sincerely hope he is making more than $100 per day.
If you aren’t making twice that much, you should be more worried about getting job training and a new job than attending baseball games.
ARC 2
That would be more than $100 a day. 2 tickets transportation will cost $40 or above depending where you are coming from. there. 2 hotdogs, nachos, and 2 beers would run another $50 plus. 2 tickets will cost $55. So as you can see almost $150 plus for a game for 2 people.
ARC 2
padres average ticket is not $27. That is if you buy tickets way up in nose bleed sections. Average is around $54 a seat.
websoulsurfer
In San Diego the trolley would be $6, 2 hot dogs $12, 2 beers $18 and tickets $54. I don’t eat the nachos so can’t tell you the price at Petco.
In Chicago the L ride is $5, 2 hot dogs is $13, 2 beers is $19.50, and the tickets would be $90.
I may be mistaken, but I think his point is if you are making that little money, going to baseball games is the least of your worries.
websoulsurfer
Average ticket price for a Padres game was $27.74 last season. That takes into account all sections. It’s one of the most affordable parks in the country.
ARC 2
$27 for upper deck and $54 of lower deck. parking is not free $10 to $35 depending on how far you want to walk.. Padres are one of the cheaper parks but still that is a lot of money to spend for a few hours.
Pads Fans
If you live in SD and you are only making $100 or $150 per day you are in some serious bad shape or you live with mom and dad still.
The average ticket price last season was $27.74 in San Diego. You can buy much more expensive tickets than that or you can get a nosebleed or Park at the Park ticket for less.
I take the train and transfer to the trolley after parking for free. My transportation costs are $15 round trip and I travel from 47 miles away to Padres games. From most areas of SD county the price would be $3-6 for a day pass (round trip) but we will use my costs because they are at the top of the scale.
Hot dogs are $7.50 unless you want a Randy Jones 1/2 lb dog and those are more. You can probably share on of those.
Beers are $9-13. I don’t drink so a couple sodas are $12
Nachos are $8.
We typically go out to eat before the game in the Gaslamp and bring in some peanuts or another snack we paid a couple bucks for, so no nachos for us but I will include them in pricing,
$15 for a train and trolley round trip
$28 for a ticket ( I rounded up)
$7.50 for a dog
$13 for a beer (I figure if you are going to spend stupid money on a beer you may as well have a craft beer)
x2 and you are at $127 if my math is right.
Add the nachos and its $135.
If that is more than a day’s pay for you, the problem isn’t the game, its your job.
Pads Fans
Single game tickets range from $22.50 to $94.00 this season Park at the park tickets are less. Standing room tickets are less.
In the section where I sit the tickets are $40 for single game tickets but I pay substantially less because I have been a season ticket holder for so long. My wife has seats in another area and paid $32 per game on average for her half season package this upcoming season.
The average ticket price was $27.74 last season.
Pads Fans
The hot dogs are $7.50 each now. A 25 oz can of Bud (about the size of 2 regular beers) or a craft beer could be as much as $13.
Pads Fans
Why would you drive to Petco. Park at a trolley or train stop and get their fast and cheap.
Section 227 is $22.50 for single game tickets. Section 130 at field level is $40 for single game tickets. Section 120 ranges from $40 to $77.50 depending on who is in town and the day of the week. Want to see the Dodgers on a Saturday with a giveaway or go opening day and you will pay more than if you want to see the DBacks on a Wednesday. Buy any kind of season ticket package and its less.
Last season the average ticket price was $27.74.
Again, if that is too much money, get a better job or watch the games on TV.
ARC 2
why do you assume i make $100 a day when i make $200 plus a day. Second why are you pretending to low and also i said for 2 people not one. So now you say $270 for 2 people. So again why would i spend $270 for a few hours?
Pads Fans
So you are saying you can’t do simple math and have zero reading comprehension?
$15 for a train and trolley round trip
$28 for a ticket ( I rounded up)
$7.50 for a dog
$13 for a beer (I figure if you are going to spend stupid money on a beer you may as well have a craft beer)
x2 and you are at $127 if my math is right.
Add the nachos and its $135.
whyhayzee
By the time their contracts expire, the ocean will have reached North Dakota.
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
It’s Arizona bro!
phenomenalajs
Well with the current climate trends and potential nuclear threats, that oceanfront property in North Dakota could be available by the end of the century, but I digress… Teams execute these deals with their eyes on capturing the crown in the near term.
jdgoat
Flags fly forever. One win and those contracts will be worth it
LordD99
The bar isn’t even that high. Give the fans winning baseball for six months. This is sports-entertainment. Put a competitive team on the field and entertain the fans. Padres are doing that. Meanwhile Nutting, the 10th richest owner in the sport, will conspire for higher profit and a losing team.
skip 2
Load@ Nutting needs to Nut more often.
Jeremy320
Padres are owned by a hedge fund. They will do the same thing they did with Hosmer. Trade/Cut them and eat the salary.
Angel Hernandez’s Eyesight
The Padres are not owned by a hedge fund. They are owned by The O’Malley Group, which consists of Peter O’Malley (former Dodgers owner), a guy that owns a beer distribution company – Ron Fowler, and Peter Seidler. Seidler is also the managing partner of a private equity firm, but they have nothing to do with the team.
Jack Dawkins
The Seidlers were minority owners during the O’Malley Dodgers era. So two out of the three Padre owners understand that winning requires several really good ballplayers. You can wait to get lucky and develop all of them yourself on your farm teams or you buy them when available. Assuming that all of the Padre owners do not need a dime of income out of the team revenue stream to maintain their lifestyles, they can afford to pay all these big contracts.
My question is where are the Padre limits? Even my Guggenheim Dodgers had to cut back this year in order to create tax relief for the Otani sweepstakes later this year.
johndietz
They’ll be 40 year old DH and first baseman
Astros2017&22Champs
Your definition of great differs from mine i guess.
Magnum
Shows how much you understand what the team is doing. Neither player will be at their current positions for the last few years of their contracts.
DrDan75
I can see Manny having an Albert Pujols style future. Slowing down a bit, still plenty of power and sliding into the DH role quite nicely. Maybe he will play his last year back in Baltimore as well.
bjsguess
Pujols did not slide nicely into the DH role. Pujols is the cautionary tale to every team signing these mammoth deals. He wasn’t the only reason that the Angels were held back but he certainly was a big one. Having huge amounts of dead money is a killer.
If you want a fun exercise, head over to Fangraphs. Pulls stats by year and filter on those that are 36 and older. With few exceptions, there are many players who simply don’t deserve a roster spot. You can go back several years and watch the pattern. Maybe Machado is the next Nelson Cruz. Or maybe he is Pujols. A guy that gave the Angels about 2 quality years out of 10.
websoulsurfer
By the time Pujols signed his deal with the Angels he had been primarily a 1B or DH for 8 seasons in St Louis. He never had the range or athleticism that Machado has now.
Henry Silvestre
They will move to the right side when the time comes.. and as a Padres fan all I want is 6 or 7 runs at a WS and then can cheer both of them on as they aim for 3000 hits and punch their ticket to Cooperstown..1st half of their contract “go for it” 2nd half individual milestones ..love both as a fan
Cedric Lee
That’s not a unique problem. Any team that wants to have any superstars will have to deal with that issue otherwise they’re not getting them signed. Padres will deal with that issue later on and by then contracts will be even more expensive anyways.
dvmin98
Manny will DH and Bogey will play 1B. Problem solved.
websoulsurfer
Below Average Commenter, do you seriously think they signed either thinking they would stick at SS and 3B until they were 41?
Saint Nick
Padres spending a fortune to play in a wild card game.
slimray
saint nick,good one,lol i agree with you.
Scream_name
Just like they did last year when they beat your Mets, and your Dodgers.
flamingbagofpoop
And still watched the WS from the couch
Scream_name
Not everyone could best your Phillies.
abc123baseball
There’s more than one wildcard game these days, bro.
Ryan W
Apparently it’s advantageous. Ask dodger fans
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
What the f%@#
dshires4
Man they’re just printing money down there. Good for them!
yankeedoodledandy
San Diego B1den$
yankeedoodledandy
And by the way, I’ll stop making political joke posts when this site stops writing stories with political or social justice undertones.
User 899214610
damn, I got here before the wow!! guy
zeuz1
LFGSD!
Rbase
Woooow that’s unexpected. I thought bogaerts or Tatis taking over at 3b after this year but nope!
VermonsterSD
He was never going anywhere. People think he’s cocky, but thats his humor style. Everyone knew he basically wanted to add through his 40 year old year, and bump up his AAV these next few years, and he’d be good.
slimray
he will be good,but mike trout or aaron judge he is not.they are great.
User 401527550
I guess everyone saying he was crazy for asking for 400 mil look foolish.
DTD/ATL1313
Well, he didn’t get 400 million so…
avenger65
I knew he was bluffing. He put pressure on ownership and they caved. I would have, too.
VermonsterSD
Lol… They didn’t “cave”. They were working together all along….
User 401527550
You got me. The padres clearly won this negotiation.
VermonsterSD
I think both sides “won”. They added a little AAV these next 5 years for a top 5 player in his prime. Then, he gets a little financial stability until his 40 year old year. What side loses?
DepressedDodgerFan
Yeah they weren’t gonna even LET him test the open market
99socalfrc
Peter Seidler, again proving that the other 29 owners are lying about $$$
LonnieB
28….he still doesn’t throw cash around like Cohen.
99socalfrc
LOL I remember a week ago when the fans of both NY teams were like “Welcome to NY in 2024 Manny”
Also Joe Musgrove called, he said he doesn’t think the Mets are very good…….still
99socalfrc
Seidler just inked his 4th deal in excess of $280m since 2019.
NONE else is committing like that. Not even Cohen.
Seidler spends like it’s 3am in Vegas, it will probably end badly but who cares.
padrepapi
So perhaps he had no desire playing for the Mets after all??
User 401527550
29 owners? The padres owner isn’t even close to Cohen.
VermonsterSD
I saw that in 2022, Padres “only” lost 32 Million overall. For a guy who is a billionaire, thats entertainment for him, and doesn’t make a dent his overall worth. Heck, signing these stars will probably add even more value.
FenwayFanatic
Darn
fre5hwind
They actually did it
urnuts
Way too much. This will turn into the Padres version of the Albert Pujols contract that killed the Angels for years.
I guess Shohei is out now.
Henry Silvestre
Except he isnt.. Padres favorites to land him
phenomenalajs
I wouldn’t say the Padres are the favorites to land Ohtani. They have three huge nine figure contracts on the books for the next decade plus and potentially could have a fourth if they reach a deal with Soto. I still think the Mets are the favorites with Ohtani.
gbs42
I wouldn’t say any team is the favorite right now to sign Ohtani.
Brew88
They are favorites to land both Soto and Shohei. And when that happens folks still will not have caught up to what Peter Seidler (see mustache) is doing in quest for a Ring.
Peter Sellers (see mustache) in The Magic Christian adopted Ringo and did similar work only instead of mocking MLB, he mocked the vanity of the wealthy class of England.
That film came out in 1969, same year the MLB Padres were born. The parallels never end. Study this, it will explain to you everything you’re witnessing now.
gbs42
The Pujols contract didn’t kill the Angels. Sure, it was a problem, but they could have worked around it. They had lots of issues besides Pujols.
Steve Cohen Owns You
Right, like not choosing to keep Albert’s ‘roid guy on retainer.
jtango
Man, the Pads payroll is going to look nasty down the road, with Bogaerts and Machado in their late 30s pulling down huge coin. And that I am a little worried about Tatis’ health; hi contract as well could turn into a huge black hole. And they traded away most of their prospect for Soto and others…
If I was Siedler, I would sell the franchise in about 3 years and let someone else deal with the consequences.
Brew88
tjango If you were Seidler you’d sign Soto through 2040 because you can
DrDan75
@urnuts
Except that Peter Seidler is not Arte Moreno.
Brew’88
And Art Moreno is not Rita Moreno, though I can see him singing America
derail76
I’m a Dodgers fan, but I love this for the Padres. I can’t help but see how the Padres are doing business with one of the lowest revenue streams in the game. Those teams in that lower bracket are usually collecting CBA money, while the Padres are out spending more money than the Dodgers with the biggest revenue stream in the game. Is it sustainable? Ask Peter Seidler, and ask any true Padres fan if they care. I’m going to be a little more careful with the San Diego Hermanitos comments this year.
Henry Silvestre
Padres revenue stream is top 10 even without a huge TV deal (local).. they are top 3 merch sales, top5 attendance..theyve grown the business model 200%+ under Erick G.(CEO) and are about to reneg a 30 yr old naming rights to PETCO which should equal 5x to 10x prior deal…and will soon have a new TV deal (local) with the Bally BK.. again a 20+ year old deal which should 2 to 3x prior deal..Pads are swimming in cash and should be fine long term
LordD99
Yes. They’re showing they can grow revenue streams by winning and being interesting. Meanwhile, the A’s..
lebowskiachiever
Except you are incorrect. Padres were already underwater on revenue when luxury tax is included. The AAV of this extension (and thus the total contract) firmly pushes them into the top tax bracket (which they were going to hit anyway). Padres revenue is $282 million. Payroll will top that by nearly tens of millions. And that is BEFORE a Soto extension. This is a money-losing, win-now experiment akin to what the Marlins pulled a decade or so ago. And we saw how that tuned out.
padrepapi
Comparing the Padres to the Marlins is moronic. The Marlins franchise has been last or second to last in NL attendance in 23 of the last 24 years.
baseball-reference.com/teams/FLA/attend.shtml
The Padres on the other hand were just shy of 3m fans, 5th best in baseball last year and drew around 500k more then the Mets despite them being a 102 win team with a payroll 2nd only to the Dodgers in the league.
Having people give a $*#! about the team is a pretty huge piece of the puzzle.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
You’re not accounting for the fact that almost ever seat to every Padres home game this year is already sold out..which not only means millions in extra ticket revenue, but millions more in concessions, apparel, etc. no chance they lose money. Betcha Seidler still ends up at least in the plus 75m-100m when it’s all said and done.
BaseballisLife
Do you really think that a billionaire hedge fund owner would be so bad with money that he would spend 100% of revenue on payroll?
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
@Baseballislife: EXACTLY..gotta love these amateur accounts. Lol
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
*Accountants
abc123baseball
Gate receipts are typically about 20% of a team’s revenue. Some people are also mentioning merch and ads, which are even smaller slivers. TV deals are the real moneymakers.
But these are not businesses in the typical sense. The owners are so wealthy that the team is basically like a piece of fine art. It’s not about recouping costs. It’s about selling it for more than you bought it for and enjoying it while you have it.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
ABC-Exactly. And I’ve read several estimates that the Padres team value has tripled in the last 5yrs..and with the stars locked up, and multiple pennant/WS chases almost guaranteed, that number’s only gonna go higher. Nobody can change my mind that these contracts and the results of them are not a good business decision. At least not over the next several years..and after that? Being real, a 30m contract is gonna be like a 10m contract now. It sucks to pay without great production..but it’s manageable.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
The fact is, if people think that what the owners have sold them over the years is the 100% real story? They need to get real. But keep going amateur accountants..
BaseballisLife
ABC, gate related revenue averages 30%. Most teams don’t sell out their seasons either.
TV is the majority of revenue for all teams.
BaseballisLife
We can look at the Braves and Blue Jays and see that teams are making far more than they have been saying.
ChuckyNJ
The Padres are likely taking a haircut on their local TV contract when Diamond Sports Group goes into Chapter 11. Where will the money to pay Machado come from then?
BlueSkies_LA
I’m sure they have no idea.
outinleftfield
All those billionaires didn’t see the RSN bankruptcies coming? Really?
VonPurpleHayes
The Harper looks like an absolute steal now. Anyway, good for the Pads and Manny.
User 401527550
Paying Harper to be injured every year is a steal?
VonPurpleHayes
With the numbers he puts up? Absolutely. Especially his playoff numbers. Guy only missed time last yeae because he got plunked in the face. If in your book that means he’s made of glass and always hurt so be it.
User 401527550
He was back in the lineup within a week of being hit in the face. He missed half of last season and most of this season with a bum arm. Missing over a year is not exactly screaming steal of a contract.
VonPurpleHayes
The ball that hit his face also hit his wrist leading to significant missed time. He has an arm injury that prevented him from throwing. He played through it putting up stellar numbers as a DH. He had surgery in the offseason so he could get back to playing defense. Clearly the injury didn’t really prevent him from a grear postseason run. He’ll be fine. Ohtani had the same surgery. Anyway, I’m talking about the total contract. The Phillies were going after Harper or Machado. They landed Harper. That deal has better value. Machado cost the Pads much more. That’s my point. Look at Harper’s numbers so far, including the injuries. Look at Machado’s numbers. Both have been excellent. One cost a significant amount more. Harper’s deal seemed insane at the time, but now it’s a steal. Take your Mets fan blinders off. He’s well worth the AAV he’s getting.
99socalfrc
LOL @ Mets fan
Harper is about 10 times better than anyone on the Mets roster.
phenomenalajs
I get the exaggeration, but that would mean he had a 50 WAR last year or something to that effect.
User 401527550
So why did the Mets pummel the Phillies so much last year. Harper should have beat them by himself. I never said Harper wasn’t good. Just that his contract is not a steal missing so much time.
VonPurpleHayes
The thing is he missed time cause he got plunked in the face. Not because he has some lingering injury. Context is key. My point about the Harper injury being a steal relates directly to Machado. Harper and Machado signed their initial deals at the same time. Machado opted out. Harper specifically asked for no opt outs. Machado just signed a massive extension. Harper didn’t need to because the original deal locked him up for significantly lower AAV. In this context, the Harper deal was an absolute steal for the value he provides. And congratulations on the head to head record in 2022. Phillies won the NL. Harper put on a show in the playoffs, once again proving his value. Not saying Harper is better than Manny. Manny’s defense pushes him over IMO, but the Harper contract is better for the Phillies.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I agree with everything you’re saying except “plunked in the face” part. He missed time because of his wrist, right? Not anything to do with being hit in the face. If he lost time from being hit in the face, it would be a concussion issue or a broken nose or a contusion of the eye socket. Just wondering why you’re framing it in that context.
User 401527550
Machado and Harper are fairly similar offensively except for the amount of walks Harper gets. I believe baseball has overvalued the walk in the last decade or so. Getting a walk with two outs and nobody on is usually a wasted plate appearance. Machado is significantly better defensively at a more premium position. He misses virtually no time. I don’t have blinders on. I have watched Harper play a lot. I would take Machado day in and day out over Harper. They are bothe getting paid well deserved significant money.
VonPurpleHayes
This isn’t a debate about who is better. Like you, I’d say Machado. He offers solid defense at a premium position. Machado should be considered better. What I stated was that Harper’s contract value is better by a mile. And I only bring up the comparison because the two will be forever linked as they signed in the same offseason. The Harper contract is a steal in retrospect, seeing what Manny and others are getting now. That’s all I’m saying
VonPurpleHayes
@Ignorant Forgive my semantics, but the ball that plunked Harper in the face also nailed his wrist. That was the same injury. My point is. it came from a HBP as opposed to some chronic issue.
solaris602
The only question remaining is when will they extend Soto, how many years, and at what cost? Money is no object in SD, so I shudder to think of those numbers……..and oh by the way, SD still intends to be players in the Ohtani sweepstakes. SPEND!!!!! SPEND!!!!!
Astros2017&22Champs
Soto is the most overrated player in the entire sport. He literally rather walk then get a clutch hit and he’s the worst 23 year old outfielder ive ever seen
Brew88
lol
VonPurpleHayes
I mean if you only saw him last season than sure. If you’ve watched him any other year then you’re statement seems crazy.
outinleftfield
His 149 OPS+ last season was awful. Why would any team want a player like that. No way we would let him play RF for the Angels. /S
DrDan75
Yep, you’re right. It’s a good thing they got that Daniel Johnson deal done.
James Midway
Soto will not get extended they want the two and a half years out of him and then move on.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Padres let the foxes into the hen house.
ASapsFables
The small market Padres keep rolling out the dough. On the Southside of Chicago we get bupkes.
drewm
hahaha do it
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dodgers turn in 2024 to sign Urias and Y. Yamamoto, or Ohtani instead of the pair.
Now if the Padres announce a Siri extension, that’ll be news.
Henry Silvestre
All 3 of those guys are Padres targets for 2024.. Padres just pouring the foundation for the next decade.. and it ain’t all poured yet
drewnats33
This furthers the Soto to the Mets gloom for Nats fans who also have to watch Harper and Turner.
Latino Heat
Man I feel the Padres. So they spend all this money but have a juggernaut in their division(dodgers) who will probably win the division again. So that means the padres most likely will be playing a wild card set against another juggernaut team from the NL east (Mets, braves, Phillies take your pick). So if they happen to stumble a little and have a worse record, then it’s on the road best 2 out of 3 with a top team. That’s rough
VonPurpleHayes
That’s the glass half-empty view. They’re a team that will sell out the majority of games this year. They’ll sell tons of merch. They’re good enough to win the division or at the very least have a deep WC run.
Latino Heat
I never said they weren’t making good moves. I’m just saying a road series against another top team is nothing more than a crapshoot
VonPurpleHayes
It may be a home series if they win the division. Dodgers lost a ton of talent. But yea, the playoffs are a crapshoot.
Latino Heat
You think the padres win the division? I agree they have a stacked team but it just seems the dodgers have an endless supply of all stars in their system. Hard to bet against them
Brew88
On the flip side Latino, LA (with the biggest payroll over the last decade) wins 100 games and finishes 2nd to Pads, they go into wildcard (like they did 2 years ago). It’s a risky business.
VonPurpleHayes
I’m not betting against the Dodgers yet, but this is the first time in a long time that I feel like the Padres are better on paper.
Latino Heat
The NL is really stacked in general this year. How many teams have a chance to make it out of the AL. Yankees/Astros then uhh rays or Indians maybe? I’m the NL you got padres dodgers braves Mets Phillies. It’s going to be a great year of baseball
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Mariners were arguably the second or third best team in the AL last year. I would argue the second best team because although the Yankees had a better overall record the Mariners creamed them in head to head contests and played the Astros harder in the postseason than the Yankees did. Mariners clearly above Cleveland and Tampa.
outinleftfield
Yankees, Jays, Rays (Orioles were only 3 games out of WC last season)
Guardians, Twins (White Sox??? They were .500 last season)
Astros, Mariners.
And as a fan, I have to at least SAY that the Angels have a shot at the WC.
rondon
This signing, along with the other high dollar moves Siedler has made, has got to be making all the small/ medium size market owners nervous. The old, “We can’t spend what the big market teams do” excuse is just not gonna hold water with those fanbases anymore.
LonnieB
It’s funny how the same people who complain about Albies contract are saying this is too much to pay someone.
LordD99
Can you provide us with a side-by-side list?
Old timer 78
Bye Bye Juan. Would have been a PR disaster if Manny left the Friars. Wait till the Ink Dries before you Rejoice.
Henry Silvestre
Bye bye Juan? He is next up..or maybe Othani 1st.. the plan is to keep all 4 together if not add a 5th(Othani)..this is just 3/5 of the plan
VonPurpleHayes
Financially, that doesn’t seem feasible. But what a team that would be.
rondon
It’s goodbye Juan or the other.
DrDan75
The Padres have two years of Juan Soto whether they choose to sign him or not. That’s plenty of time to work something out.
I think Juan would take the same offer in SD that he rejected in Washington. He doesn’t want to wind up like Mike Trout, a superstar on a team that hasn’t been to the playoffs in his tenure.
Brew88
Seidler said yesterday in fact after Machado deal announced “we want to keep Soto here long-term”
Seidler also said when they traded Abrams, Gore, Hassell, Wood etc… that they didn’t do the trade for just 2.5 years of Soto.
I can’t think of a time when Seidler didn’t stand behind his publicly spoken intentions?
But Soto will have to perform in next 2 years and I think he will. And he’ll need to want to stay with Pads, and it seems like he does.
obkjacob
He’ll be 41 at the end of his final year, no opt-outs being reported. Crazy deal, good for him to get the bag, but, I can’t help but wonder: will all of these long term deals blow up on Preller down the stretch?
JoeBrady
It’s a great experiment. They have $74M committed to 3 guys at age 41. Their 2027 payroll is already > $150M, with only 6 guys. 5 of those guys will turn 35 (or older) that year.
DrDan75
Who cares? It’s awesome right now and it ain’t my money. All teams go through boom / bust periods as their players inevitably age and turn over. The Padres will just eat those contracts in the end.
Fg-3
It really is a golden age of third baseman.. Manny, Nolan, Ramirez, Chapman . I dare to say Rondon if healthy. Devers. It’s really crazy one of the highest paid positions in the game
Yankee Clipper
Don’t forget about Donaldson!
– Oh wait…..
Mr big dig
I’ll never understand why teams pay $60MM a year for 5 years of production and 5 years of crap. Ala Albert Pujols’s angels contract.
Ryan W
No one has eclipsed $50m/yr let alone 60
Inside Out
Which explains why you are not a billionaire.
VonPurpleHayes
@Mr big dig I wouldn’t understand that either. Luckily it’s never happened.
CardsFan57
Ohtani is really happy to hear that. He’s going to be tho only big name offensive player on the market next year.
stymeedone
Why pay top dollar for the decline years? Lots of choices going forward to try and replace him with younger player, at lower cost, and available ceiling. MM has already shown his best.
JoeBrady
You pay for the declining years because you want the productive years. Fans need to look at a $350M/11 contract like:
60M
55
45
45
40
35
30
10
10
10
10
This one belongs to the Reds
Except that the escalators go the other way which is foolish.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
45 x 6
25 x 2
10 x 3
I completely agree with your general point
Braves Butt-Head
Padres knew if they didn’t get this done that Steve Cohen either would have gotten him or drove up his market so much that the Padres would have been paying him 40 mil a year.
B-Strong
40yr old Machado playing with 40yr old Xander and 40yr old Darvish all at the same time. Gonna look like a after work softball league eventually haha. I hope all the splurges pay off for them, truly. Good years ahead for Dads fans.
Henry Silvestre
Nah Yu will be 40 and retired by the time Manny is 34.. our rotation when he is 40 will be Lesko 27, Snelling 26, Musgrove 38, etc.. we will have a 25 yr old C Salas, a 27 yr old SS Merrill, a 27 yr old CF Zavala a 32 yr old Sotoband 32 yr old Tatis.. lots of folks in their prime yrs
Old timer 78
I have to Believe the Friars have a TEN Year Plan. To many SMART People in the Padre FO. When and if they Trade Juan they will get a load back. Their Scouting and AJ will have it figured out.
foppert
Not quite that bad. But in 2028 they will have $75m in luxury tax dollars tied up in a 41yo Darvish and 36yo Machado and Bogaerts. $56m for Bogaerts and Machado from then to 41. As a Giants fan, my point of reference is Crawford at 35. It’s a scary notion.
padrepapi
Dude Darvish will have been retired for 5 years when the others reach their 40’s.
This one belongs to the Reds
Absolutely ridiculous.
Steve Cohen Owns You
It’s okay, champ. Maybe next year will belong to the reds?
Henry Silvestre
1st player in MLB history to sign 2 $300mil deals
1st player in MLB history to have a batter infraction (Spring Trainning)
Oh Doctor!.. he is building that yellow brick road to Cooperstown
ohyeadam
Think they saved the chalk from the batters box during the infraction just in case?
cpdpoet
Preller wakes up, stretches, picks up the phone and says, “Hey Mr Manfred…..’eff you and those comments you made last week….and oh yeah, tell Nutting to stay in his lane…
Begins to hum “I did it my way” puts phone down, not bothering to hang up and starts his day….
Must be good to be a Pads fan this Sunday.
Old timer 78
I remember being in Jack Murphy Stadium Lounge (Season Ticket Holders) in the 70’s, when Fingers a some the Other Players Came in after they Swept the Dodgers
. PARTY TIME it was like they won the Series. It was just 3 games. Remember the Old Times. THE NEW FRIARS ROCK.
Senioreditor
I believe you’re referring to the “Lodge” level? Field, plaza, lodge, press and upper were the sections. I believe you’re also referencing a July 31- August 2, 1978 series where they swept LA .
Gwynning
I remember it as the Loge Level at Jack Murphy…
Senioreditor
You are correct, I misspelled it.
Old timer 78
You are Correct. Wasn’t it MAGIC???
Gwynning
The pinnacle of my Jack memories was ’98, the walls were literally shaking. Waving hankies, Hells Bells… It was magic and electric!!
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Baseball reference shows that his first 5 years were 140 million, and his next 5 were 160 million. 2023 is going to be 32 MM, and the remaining 5 years were 32 MM each, so where is this 6/180 figure coming from? 6*32 = 192, not 180.
CNichols
They basically just re-allocated the AAV savings on the Darvish deal onto this one. I thought they were going to try to push a 12th year in to lower that tax hit but it barely went up so I get it.
Will be interesting to see when the allocation over years comes out. They’re probably going to want to frontload this so they’re not paying him $30+M when he’s 40
holecamels35
Okay, so clearly they will not be able to re-sign Soto or will have to trade Tatis Jr, right???
Any idiot can be a general manager if they’re given unlimited resources like Preller has. Still have no idea how this team went from a small-mid market to a powerhouse seemlingly overnight?
padrepapi
If you build it, they will come…
Ryan W
Trades have been a big part. Before that it was finding quality talent in prospects that turned into said trades.
fred-3
This is why opt outs are stupid for the team
DrDan75
They couldn’t have signed Manny without the opt out. It’s one of the reasons he chose the Padres over the White Sox.
fba0017
Good for Padre fans but I still can’t get over how incredibly bad they will be in the future w older players on huge contracts. But if they win 1 or 2 WS then worth it….I guess.
SODOMOJO
Good lord.
This defies logic
hiflew
Players are smart to lock in these long term deals now because TV money is going to dry up and salaries are going to tank before too long. Teams are projected to lose about 70% of TV money over the next few years. I have a feeling that salaries will drop as well. Maybe not by 70%, but I wouldn’t be surprised by a large drop off.
That Baseball Fan
If you are a fan of a mid- to lower-tiered team, you now have hope. Peter Seidler has only been the lead Padres investor for two seasons. He survived cancer twice. Works to lessen the impact of homelessness. And he gets how to be an MLB owner. Just *try* and we’ll have your back. I’ve been a Padres fan since the summer of 1969. I had some very bad years (shudder). There is hope for all of us. Seidler is changing what ownership can do. A few years ago, the Padres were bought on layaway by a player agent who had no money. Anything can happen. As a fan, I want to help. It’s the best feeling a fan can have. Hold on and your team can be here, too.
fansincethe80s
Angels went through this after Moreno bought the team. He’s owned the team long enough the to now be a “bad” owner.
Enjoy it while you can.
BaseballisLife
The Angels never went through an owner that was willing to spend whatever it took to win.
Moreno has been about putting just enough big stars on the field to keep the fans coming, not to win.
That is part of why he is a bad owner.
smuzqwpdmx
Moreno’s failing isn’t that he doesn’t spend enough money, it’s that he thinks he’s smarter than his GMs and dictates where to spend it. So he makes them do things like trade for Vernon Wells instead letting a professional staff build a wining team.
outinleftfield
Arte has always spent JUST ENOUGH money so that no one could say he was cheap, but not enough money to put the team over the top. When the CBT was at $208 million, he spent $180 million. Now that its $233 million he’s spending $220 million this season. Just imagine what Minassian, who has turned out to be a good GM, could have done with another $20 million to spend.
He cut spending on scouting and player development to the bone. You don’t develop the best players without a great scouting and player development staff.
Arte wouldn’t allow the last 2 GMs to sign FA pitchers to long term contracts and the 3 year deal for Anderson is the longest since Wilson’s 5 year FA deal and Weaver’s 5 year extension were signed in 2012. A decade ago.
On top of that you have Arte forcing his GMs to make trades like Wells and signings like Pujols and Hamilton.
I was SOOOOO happy when I thought he was selling.
Brew88
Well said Baseball Fan. But where were you in late spring April of 1969?
That Baseball Fan
In 1969 I was 10 years old. Our Dad took his three kids to a Padres game while we were on vacation from Chicago. The Padres were pathetic: Ugly uniforms. No fans, No one cared. It’s the first ballgame that held my interest. I turned to my Dad and said “I am becoming a Padres fan. Someone needs to pull for this team..”
Brew’88
Ollie (Brown) was my favorite Padre then, but I was 5 and thought his last name was assigned due to his uni color. Same for Johnny (Padres)…thought he was just Johnny of the Padres.
Brew’88
Podres
vaderzim
So much for that extension ultimatum
Rhino
This deal will age like whole milk!
Brew88
They’re after 5-7 productive years at a discount, then he’s out to pasturized.
Gwynning
Ok that one was kinda cheesy!
Brew88
yes I know my comment reeked of dairy air
LordD99
A team source confirmed to The Athletic the deal is final nearly an hour ago. Probably should update the headline.
Brew88
For most Padre fans, it was a done deal weeks ago, even while Nightengale spun rumors to the contrary. Seidler is a man of his word
cardsfanboy
Will they lower the price for all you can eat, drink seats, since the time of game will be drastically shortened. Just means you have to drink beer that much faster.
Old timer 78
I remember picking Gaylord Perry’s games over RANDY Jones Games when we did All you Can Eat/Drink Seats. 3 1/2 hrs Vs 2 hr Games.
bigeasye
I’m curious how much the tickets will go up in say 3 to 4 years.
davidk1979
Best owners in baseball ranked
1) Cohen
2) Seidler
3) Guggenheim group
4) John Middleton
fred-3
Just one World Series in that group.
outinleftfield
2. Dodgers won in 2020 and Phillies were in the WS in 2022
cwsOverhaul
According to the MLBPA for its goals.
VonPurpleHayes
Too early to make a list like this. Cohen just started and it remains to be seen if his strategy of splurging for 3 years will be viable. Phillies had 1 playoff appearance in the last decade. I wouldn’t be putting the Phils and Mets on any list yet, although I do like where both teams are now.
metsfan1992
Ohtani to the Mets confirmed. Padres won’t be able to afford him especially since resigning Machado to an extension like that!
Gwynning
Everyone said we couldn’t afford Trea or Judge… then they said Manny couldn’t be retained… then they said we wouldn’t pass any upper CBT tiers… then they said we can’t spend on Soto… now you’re writing off Ohtani… keep assuming! LFGSD =)
Brew88
They said they couldn’t afford Manny 4 years ago. They said they couldn’t afford Tati 14 year/340 MM, couldn’t afford Musgrove 5/100, couldn’t afford to Bogaerts, couldn’t afford Yu, never be able to extend Manny, add pieces like Wacha and Lugo and then they drop $ on Salas and the kid might play next year or year after next as the first teen ROY/AS, and so Seidler pulls out his scissors and cut out the face of Mona Lisa while Ringo laughs
Pads Fans
Salas is in camp now and probably starts in the complex league in Arizona completely skipping the DSL. How many 16 year olds do that?
Sid Bream Speed Demon
He isn’t going to the weak sister of NYC baseball teams….lol.
User 401527550
Nobody said anything about the Yankees.
Jake Biggar
Man, this is making owners of teams like the Pirates and Guardians look really bad… Good for the Padres.
cwsOverhaul
Cleveland has pretty firm control of the ALC without spending like fools. They are playing the hand it has been dealt well. They can even trade Bieber next offseason for a mint if he understandably wants to be an unrestricted FA after his walk year.
Pitt/Oak are the natural flip side to NY/LA in a ridiculous economic system that favors geographic location above all else. The MLBPA can take some misers along with the big spenders. Feeder teams aren’t going to be forced or shamed to spend a ton when its playoff probability is low.
towinagain
Way to Padres and way to go Captain Manny!
VicM
At least now he’ll be able to take care of his family.
Hired Gun 23
Now it’s time to focus on baseball for the Padres. Otani and Soto can wait. 2023 is gonna be a fun one…
slimray
im a yankee fan and the season is only fun if you win the world series anything less is a failure.
Hired Gun 23
Well okay then…
outinleftfield
The last 2 decades have really sucked for you haven’t they? Just one season you could enjoy.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
Overpay
Sid Bream Speed Demon
Better than the Nimmo deal. He just had his 2nd healthy season in his entire career at 29 and the LOLMets threw $162 million at him.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
@Sid Bream Speed Demon Thats not really an own, I think Nimmo got way overpaid as well. Hes barely worth a third of what he got. In fact, I havent liked many of the moves Billy Eppler has made these past 2 seasons. Giving a 40 year old pitcher 80 million makes no sense
gary55wv
Again the problem with baseball
larkraxm
This is not the “problem with baseball”. The Padres are a small market team with a strategy. They figure the cost of doing nothing, like the Pirates, sitting around and watching their home-grown talent go to New York or LA when they become free agents, is more than the cost of signing star players to long contracts. It is also clear that the market for star players is going up, and locking in salaries now will look like fairly reasonable AAV in 5 years. The Braves, on the other hand, are trying to lock up their players early for cheaper. The Rays rely on developing their young talent and making prudent trades to replenish the farm system before their players become free agents. The Mets and Padres are going to throw money at the problem and hope that works. I think the great thing about baseball is that teams are trying different ways to win Championships. Some teams don’t try any of these strategies. That is a problem with your owner, not the sport of baseball.
Steve Cohen Owns You
Great post
foppert
Agreed. I’m down with teams doing different things. So much more interesting than everyone following a similar playbook.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Very well said Lark
Rocker49
Good luck with that contract, this pretty much sums up the Padres. Throw their money at guys who don’t move them any closer to winning a WS. Machado is the laziest player I have ever watched, I’m sure that will age even better over 11 years hahahaha! What a bonehead contract this is.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
I hope your wrong but my gut tells me you are right.
Tigers3232
Top 10 3B defensively 32 HRs 100+RBIs 9 SBs and a .298 BA in 2022. If that’s what u consider lazy, teams should b trying to fill their rosters with what u deem as lazy…..
Steve Nebraska
Machado is not lazy at all. Austin Riley is the better bet long term though and Riley costs $138 million less.
Tigers3232
Riley signed while still under team control. While they re comparable position wise, dollar for dollar value they are not exactly comparable.
Ryan W
Also the Braves are the only team able to convince their star players to sign for peanuts
Rallyshirt
“Ken, you need to listen to me, Ken. He could have low reading comprehension, Ken.”
Armaments216
On top of the Bogaerts contract this should make a Soto extension pretty unlikely. Not just the amount of money itself, but Soto’s almost certainly destined for DH and it doesn’t really make any sense now to tie that up.
padrepapi
I think Manny will be playing 3b a vast majority of this contract like Adrian Beltre. Heck Justin Turner played 3b a majority of the time in 2022 at age 37 and he was never in Machado’s defensive class.
Boegarts I could see shifting to 2b in around 3 years while also playing more 1b during the 2nd half of the contract.
They’ll pay Soto for his bat but I don’t agree that he’ll be a full time DH until he is a couple years into his 30’s, or about when the other deals are almost up.
DrDan75
Nah, I think they’re going to ultimately let Hader walk. They’ve got Suarez, he will make a fine closer.
njbirdsfan
By the time he gets set in the batters box, the contract will be half complete.
gorav114
Machado is a great player but SD really missed the opportunity to get the best end of this deal by just letting him opt out. He may decided against it or even if he didn’t, it would have been a good contract that now will turn into wasted 100 million.
BRICKHARDMEAT220
Padres are really going to regret having a billion dollars locked up in Tatis Machado Darvish and Bogarts in what 2 or 3 years? Tatis is an injury prone Idiot until proven otherwise. Bogarts has no power and is going to move off short very soon. Darvish is a pitcher in his late 30’s who’s been bad in 2 of his last 4 seasons. Machado has been great but I see him being worth next to nothing in 3 to 4 years.
Going all in now will be fun thou
Simm
Yep all those players suck. I’m sure preller and Seidler are already wishing they didn’t have so many bad players.
99socalfrc
You left out the part about Tatis being 24 years old. He has plenty of time to figure it out
He had a rough 2022 no doubt, but let’s not forget that last we saw him he hit 42 homers and had an OPS of .975
I understand it’s easy to forget just how good this guy is given some of his antics, but if he truly does come back humbled, watch out.
flamingbagofpoop
“until proven otherwise”…doesn’t seem that he forgot
outinleftfield
WITH a bum shoulder. That is what gets me. That kid dislocated his shoulder 3 times in 2021 and still played 130 games, totally reworked his swing, hit 42 HR and had a .975 OPS and 166 OPS+.
leftykoufax
Five generations of Machado’s set for life!
thomyorke'sbag
and they still haven’t extended soto. the new dodgers.
Edp007
The money for these players is not an issue for the owners. Only the fans and writers wail and say “bad contract” “ you’ll regret it “. Maybe , but the regret is only that their toy team didn’t win. Bad decisions on baseball payroll money affect their teams. Attendance even etc. but it’s still a toy. No owner says hmmm if Manny or Tatis are busts , I gotta sell one of my yachts. We fans focus on the micro but there is such a big pool of money out there , in the macro , player contracts immaterial to owners. Just part of the game.
put it in the books
40 year old Machado at 3rd with 40 year old Xander at short and 40 year old Darvish on this mound. That’ll be fun.
Brew88
your age class distribution is a bit flawed. When Manny is age 40, Yu will be age 46, retired for 4 years, sunbathing on some tropical beach wearing 3 or 4 WS rings.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
“wearing 3-4 rings”
LOL Settle down there cowboy, lets see them get their first WS win before you get all snooty and arrogant.
flamingbagofpoop
He never said that he won them…Yu picked em up on ebay.
Brew’88
As a Giants fan watching my team get 3 rings last decade, I’m uniquely experienced in these matters, and allowed as an impartial observer to make a prediction without arrogance, but envy.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
I’m almost certain you are being sarcastic at least I hope so because that comes off even more arrogant, but sure I’ll bite I guess. The Giants were a great team, but it takes a lot more than being a good team or even the best team to win multiple chips in a small amount of time. A lot of luck has to go your way too, there is a reason it almost never happens. As a Giants fan you should know that more than most.
Brew’88
Hey relax, I’m just making a prediction as a baseball fan, if that’s not possible without being called arrogant then ok so be it
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
No, I’m sorry that’s not what my intentions were, I was trying to explain how difficult it would be. I could have done that without the arrogant calling.
Brew’88
Ok. Certainly hard to win a WS, and a lot of luck went the Giants way. My wife and kids are diehard Padre fans, and they supported myGiants back when. I admire Seidler and maybe I’ve become a Padre fan now, in return, and as a fan my hopefulness is a few rings for them too. I have to admit they’re much more interesting than the Giants! It’s all fun and games. Cheers
slimray
3 o4 titles for the padres in the next 10 years?BREW88, your delusional. im a yanks fan and i dont believe the yanks will have 3 or 4 titles in the next 5 to 10 years.the yankees have 27 titles.the padres have 0.you will never get 4 in ten years.be greatful when and if you get 1.
Brew88
Hey slim. But one can be hopeful, no? It’s a wild prediction I know, crazy, insane, nutzo. Ok, delusional, fine. But as a Giants fan living in SD area with a family full of swinging monk fans, I want to see my teen kids jump up and down 2-3 times screaming LFGSD. And yes, 1 would be enough too.
VonPurpleHayes
Yes. Let’s immediately judge contracts by their final years.
Cleon Jones
Love what theyre doing in SD. I just wish they’d spend on new uni’s. That yellow/brown/burnt orangy-thing needs serious help. Looking at them reminds me of soiled underwear. I bet they could afford to shake things up a bit.
Brew88
yes, a return to the Colbert mustards while winning a WS would be the ultimate showing up of Manfort
DrDan75
I don’t care for their road uniforms, but the Padres home duds are pretty snazzy. Tony Gwynn once said that he loved the brown because the only other sports team wearing the color was the Cleveland Browns.
los_leebos
Tony, Trevor, Manny. Hell of a ring to it.
DrDan75
Yep… when Cooperstown comes calling it’s no fluke. He’ll be there with Willy, Mickey and the Duke
And Gwynn… and Hoffman… and Gossage.
outinleftfield
Isn’t Winfield in as a Padre too? I thought I saw his Padres cap at Cooperstown.
Pads Fans
He is.
Old York
Soto is just waiting for his free agency.
Brew88
and to think he’s nearly making this year what Tatis will average over this 14 yr contract
Pads Fans
Machado was just waiting for free agency. Even said he was opting out at end of season.
RedFraggle
So glad he can afford eggs for his family now.
Deleted Userr
Wowzers
phenomenalajs
I can somewhat understand how SD is considered a small to mid-market team about a two hour drive away from a major market team in LA but I can’t understand how Oakland is a small market team less than 20 miles from a major market team in SF.
flamingbagofpoop
Because that SF team controls most of that large market.
bloomquist4hof
This seems something like a 3 to 5 year plan from this point. At that point they pivot and do something else. What that pivot looks like depends on the how the next 3 years go. I really doubt many baseball teams think too far beyond 2 to 3 year, I don’t see how they could. The Padres are obviously doing anything they can to stock up star talent for that run. I also think keeping Soto might not be as easy as some Padres fans think which may have increased the pressure to keep Machado.
padrepapi
That’s a little harsh on Tatis, but even conceding he’s injury prone, there only like 2 players in MLB history who had higher HR/162 games then his 48 bombs with a minimum of 1000 PA.
McGwire 50/162
Judge 49/162
Tatis 48/162 (as a 20-22 yr old!)
Ruth 46/162
Bonds 41/162
Arod 40/162
Aaron 37/162
Boegarts has a career .207 ISO over the past 5 years.
Yu Darvish past 4 seasons by fWAR
’19 – 2.9
’20 – 2.9 (60 Gm season top 2 CY)
’21 – 2.7
’22 – 4.2
Bad 2 of the last 4?????
MLB Top 100 Commenter
For June 7, a weekday, against the Mariners, Padres still have home tickets starting at 21 each before fees.
Datashark
Padres drunken sailors
Xander Bogaerts signed a 11 year / $280,000,000
Yu Darvish signed a 6 year / $108,000,000
Joe Musgrove signed a 5 year / $100,000,000
Fernando Tatis Jr. signed a 14 year / $340,000,000
Nick Martinez signed a 3 year / $26,000,000
Robert Suarez signed a 5 year / $46,000,000
Michael Wacha signed a 4 year / $26,000,000
Seth Lugo signed a 2 year / $15,000,000
Ha-seong Kim signed a 4 year / $28,000,000
+ Machado $350m
Still paying Hosmer 12.26M for next 3 years
Yet Soto looms as well.
They are going to have many old players in 5-7 years that will not live up to the contract.
Brew88
As it stands only 3 guys will be around after 6 years. Tatis will be only 30 then.
Cooperdooper7
More stupid money and years
friarfootin
A man and his baseball team. It’s a beautiful thing… Thank you Peter Seidler. I’m still getting over the Chargers leaving. This will help. Go Padres!
Danny D
Padres will sign Ohtani this coming offseason as well.. they wont stop until they have multiple WS rings.
soxfan4381
The padres are such a dumb organization. Preller should be fired for signing so many bad deals. He is going to have a roster of 40 year olds that can’t play making big bucks. Good luck building a team then. He better hope then win in the next couple years because they will be bad for a long time when these guys fall off.
Deleted Userr
Didn’t your GM throw a tantrum when Manny wouldn’t take his offer? Claimed his offer was better than the Padres’ offer? Now you know why Manny signed with the Padres.
soxfan4381
When did the red Sox try to sign him? I’m not a fan of Machado anyway. I watched his lack of hussle during the playoffs when he got traded to the Dodgers. I loved xander but he is not worth that contract. I understand why Boston is reluctant to give 10 year deals because 90% of the time they end badly.
Deleted Userr
Assumed your username was referring to the White Sox. My bad.
DrDan75
It was the White Sox owner who threw a fit, not Mr. Henry.
flamingbagofpoop
Preller isn’t making the decision to give out $300m contracts.
csspackler
I don’t think they much care about what happens in 2032. Neither do the fans. Neither should you.
soxfan4381
These contracts will be bad 2028, not sure where you got 2032. These guys will be in their mid 30s and not very productive. I would care because I take a long-term approach. If you have 150 – 200 million in dead money, how do you build a team? I want my team to compete most years, as I do expect down years. Preller will be long fired and the team will be stuck with bad contracts and no prospects.
outinleftfield
Unless they extend Soto, only 3 of those high priced players on the Padres roster today will be on the roster in 2028 and Tatis will be 29 that season and only making $25 million that year.
Bogaerts and Machado will definitely regress, but considering they both started at around 6 WAR in their age 29 seasons, they should still be league average or better at age 35 in 2028.
Deleted Userr
This is why I hate opt-outs. Signing Manny with no opt-out would have cost the Padres more upfront but it wouldn’t have cost them $170m more.
To those who said the opt-out was a good thing because it would save the Padres from Manny’s inevitable decline years and that they would happily wave goodbye to him after 2023, explain this extension…
SalaryCapMyth
You make a good point. I read takes on opt outs like that all the time. Instead of simply taking the more valuable production and letting the player walk or even trading him on his walk year to restock the farm which they need to think of to extend their contention window, they are all in for the next 3 to 5 years and then after that they have a payroll nightmare.
Poolhalljunkies
What if they still finish behind the Dodgers?
Datashark
Manager’s fault – Fired
Behind Giants – Preller fired
DrDan75
Then they finish behind the Dodgers. You just have to build the best team you possibly can and then hope for the best. The problem with winning a World Series is that there are also 29 other teams that want the same thing.
norcalblue
This is absolutely absurd. Five years and $180 million for his age 36–40 seasons. Not one of those years will he be worth what they’re paying him. I feel confident that Preller will not be around for any of those five years.
In my mind, Preller should have been secretly grateful that Machado was going to opt out after the season. It was the perfect excuse to say to his ownership we got the best of this deal on the front end, and let somebody else take this guy’s worst years. Most importantly, it would’ve given Preller the opportunity to seriously go after Soto with big bucks and keep him during seasons where he was going to be a much better player than Machado.
Unless, of course, Seidler is the next Steve Cohen, this is simply ludicrous…
SalaryCapMyth
I would look at it like they are paying that extension for those twilight years of his career to keep him around for the next 3 to 4 years productivity because he would otherwise go elsewhere.
I guess I’m not disagreeing with you. However you choose to break the $$$ down seems to be inconsequential to the fact that they will be paying huge dollar amounts to Machado well after his productive years as well as others. I am interested to see if they can navigate the unproductive dollars they will have later and still be competitive or maybe even just relevant.
Lindsey Hill
No Preller shouldn’t have been grateful (secretly or unsecretly) that Manny was going to opt out after 2023 because if he didn’t then Preller could have traded him to some other team for all of that team’s best prospects without eating any money. What sounds better to you: trading Manny for prospects or losing him for nothing? Would you rather have prospects or not have prospects, all other things equal?
SalaryCapMyth
The Padres certainly would not have traded Machado of he did NOT opt out. I kind of wonder if you meant to say if he HAD opted out?
They are playoff contenders. No team trades Machado like production for prospects in the middle of a competitive window unless they can’t get him to extend and even then they sometimes don’t.
Lindsey Hill
@SalaryCapMyth Well according to our mutual friend norcalblue Manny absolutely would not have been worth the money in 2024-2028 and Preller should have been secretly happy if Manny opted out because he wouldn’t have had to pay him for those years. If that is indeed the case, why wouldn’t Preller trade Manny if he hadn’t been able to opt out (or simply chose not to)? That kills two birds with one stone: makes it so the Padres don’t have to pay for Manny’s decline years AND allows them to snag all a team’s best prospects.
flamingbagofpoop
You wouldn’t get, “all of a team’s best prospects”, for the decline years of that contract…unless the padres were paying 100% of it.
Lindsey Hill
@flamingbagofpoop Well sure you would. If Machado at 5/$150m wasn’t tradeable the Padres would never have tacked an extra 5 years and $170m onto it.
DrDan75
Baseball owners are all billionaires. They can afford it. A billion is a thousand million. That’s an almost incomprehensible amount of money.
LFGSD619
@norcalblue You see, what actually happened here is that you undervalue Manny Machado relative to how the actual GM’s value him. If your valuation of Manny Machado was accurate, he wouldn’t have opted out at all.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
The Padres better make this next few years count because they are going to have a bunch of old declining ball players taking up payroll. For Padres fans, I hope it happens you deserve something good, but I can’t help to feel like in the not to distant future (4-5yrs?) The Padres are going to regret this strategy, I hope I’m wrong cause it would be nice to see them get that chip but IDK. Guess we will see
LosPobres1904
This is the window of opportunity not 6 years from now. You worry about it like you own the team.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
I obviously know “6 years” isn’t the window of opportunity. I was just saying that if they don’t get that world series it is going to be an exceptionally long and painful rebuild with all those long term deals. I’m not worried at all, they aren’t my favorite team so I could care less. I was just commenting about the situation and wishing you guys the best. You don’t need to get so defensive, I have no problems with the friars.
beyou02215
Asinine. As a Padres fan, this is just stupid economics.
KingSall77
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KingSall77
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Simm
So many people worrying about 5-6-7 years from now. Who cares, it’s the price you pay for basically a free agent now. He is a top 4-10 player in the league right now.
Of one or two of these guys really suck in their last 2-3 years then they can just eat the money and walk away.
Neither Xander or manny are getting top aav dollars. Xander 25, manny 31.8m, people are too stuck on the number of years. If the padres paid manny 9 years 350m would that sound better or 8 years 320m?
Padres ran up the years to lower the aav and save one some tax dollars. It’s what you have to do to keep cost down when you are a constant tax payer. Pay more now or pay less later.
slimray
SIMM,i agree with most of what you say.however manny is not in the top 10 players in mlb.i could easily pick 10 players i would take on my team before him.hes maybe 15,16 or 17 wich is still very good.
Simm
You’re crazy if you don’t think manny is a top 10 player. Finished top 3 in mvp votes 2-3 3 years and 4 times already. He had a better years then bookie last year who was 4th on the top 100 right now. Sorry but most people would disagree with you.
Brew88
In 6 years Xander’s and Manny’s aav will be very reasonable still, if not discounts. If Tatis stays healthy and out of trouble, they get him at age 30 for a veritable steal of an aav. .
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
That’s where I disagree a little. The aav would be reasonable in those years if they were not old and most likely declining. But like you said, it’ll happen when it happens.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
I hope he gets extended from 6’3″ to 6’11”.
Kruk's Beer League
And the Phillies’ decision to go after Harper now looks that much better.
Augusto Barojas
I love the Padres and Phillies owners. Both of them have been asked about the crazy spending, and have said things like “does anybody care what the ’27 Yankees payroll was?” They care about their cities and winning baseball more than making every dime that they can. People will remember their teams and be grateful for them, and the owners will do just fine.
Padres are going to be seriously fun to watch, if Tatis stays out of trouble and off the DL. Xander, Machado, Soto, and Tatis might be as good as any four in any lineup in the past 20 years. There have been some good lineups, but hard to come up with one that had a better big four than that.
VonPurpleHayes
I think it’s the most explosive lineup in baseball. Going to be a wild year.
baseballteam
There is no longer baseball, there is just money.
LosPobres1904
Sports is Circus and Bread if you didn’t know. Entertainment is about money what else could it be?
sheerterror
I think you mean bread and circuses.
rodcarew
Ten years (or less) from now, there will be so many bad contracts.
LosPobres1904
There will be but as long as there are championships won who cares.
Catuli Carl
Best part about this is the Cubs won’t sign him. Love it.
FrontOfficeStan
Crazy
Danny D
Aj Preller and Peter Siedler will not stop untill they have multiple WS titles… simple as that…. now that chado is locked, dont be surprised if they land Ohtani this offseason. He would love to play with Yu Darvish and before choosing the Angels, he nearly chose the Padres but no DH at the time, ultimately chose the Angels. This offseason can be different..
Pads Fans
Its a done deal. Manny is a Padre for life. Lots of people that are eating crow on this site right now.
slimray
manny is not a lifetime padre.he spent 5 years with orioles and one year with dodgers.most of the fans in la say he was cancer.
outinleftfield
Machado started his career in Baltimore and most fans there will consider him an Oriole for life. Machado spent 2 months, 66 games, with the Dodgers. Now he will spend the rest of his career, a total of 15 years by the time this deal is done, with the Padres.
DodgerOK
Risky business!
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
Trevor Bauer who? Don’t make little brother smack ya again for gettin’ mouthy!
baseballteam
What if he flunks the physical haha
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
Hey….you know what?
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
Oooh dang, I forgot for a second because I was laughing at all your ridiculous responses as I went through that 1-5 top of the lineup.
Oooh and this, they’ll be whatever age when their contract expires…jealousy looks ugly on you bruh! The dude stuck with the mid-level chick always has the lame comeback!
Steve Nebraska
@BringBackTheRoids- I wish some league would. Not MLB but with all these weird rule changes and football having leagues like XFL (and all pro-football leagues take steroids) I wish baseball something like that. Maybe 9 defensive players who only play for defense and 4 Barry Bonds juiced up DH’s. The best hitters vs the best pitchers and best fielders. I don’t want steroids in MLB but an XLB version that allowed it like football and wrestling does might be entertaining. A constant stream of power hitters vs power pitchers and great defense should be worth watching in theory. Not at the MLB level though.
websoulsurfer
Was there ever any doubt?
LFGSD619
Kinda sounds like you doubted it.
“Goodbye Manny. Yaniee is going to kill you. Divorce in 2024?”
neurogame
Geeezus. The Padres now have 5 contracts totaling ~$1.2B
That’s nuts.
Simm
Wait until the sign/extend Soto and or Ohtani.
Sooner or later everyone will realize Seidler is going to continue to spend.
DarrenDreifortsContract
I’ve never seen a team spend so much just to finish in 2nd place every season.
Simm
I’ve never seen a team like the dodgers spend so much money the last decade only to when a trip to Disneyland land to pick up their Mickey Mouse ring.
DarrenDreifortsContract
The Padres owner would spend another billion for a Mickey Mouse ring.
outinleftfield
All those teams trying to get to Anaheim. That’s funny.
Jeff Zanghi
The only thing that makes sense with the Padres extensions to guys who will be 40-42 at the end of their contacts is they expect the CBT to go way up in the next 10 years and feel they will be able to release these guys and pay their salaries while still fielding a competitive team.
I don’t care what/who the player is. Never mind when it’s 3/4 guys. 38 to 42 years old is highly unlikely to result in productivity. Look at Pujols contact with LAA (granted he had a hell of a comeback last year but still) there’s no way the team is actually expecting anything from these guys in those years. But the benefit of lowering the AAV now is worth it to have to bit the bullet on the other end.
Even more so with Darvish. With him it seems obvious he said something like I want 3/$90M and they said “okay but let’s make it 5/$90M but you can retire at any time you like and still get paid”
csspackler
I don’t think they much care right now about what happens in 2031.
Simm
Yeah that’s why the front loaded the darvish deal.
What people have to take into account is the tax dollars. By stretching out the years it is saving them million and millions in tax dollars the next 4-7 years. The tax threshold has gone up about 50m in the last decade. It surely will continue to rise the next 5-10 years. Padres aren’t signing these deals thinking these guys will be good when they reach 39-42. That is a sunk cost that they are willing to eat if needed on the back end. Still vastly saves money overall on the deal the first few years. These deals have all but secured the padres will be paying the tax for the next decade.
JoeBrady
The $50M increase only helps if you can replace the talent. In four years, you will be paying $100M to four players that will be 34 or older, and will be in decline. That leaves about $148M to build the rest of the team.
But at the end of the day, as long as Seidler (or the NYM & Philly) don’t mind going over $300M, they will almost certainly have a good team.
outinleftfield
No team is going to raise payroll that much just because they think the CBT threshold will go up in future seasons. They do it because they believe revenue will go up substantially in future seasons.
When it comes to the CBT, Cohen and Seidler have shown that the CBT threshold is a joke. When one of the 7 smallest market teams can blow past it while still not losing money according to their CEO, then the CBT needs to be raised substantially.
Do you remember the amount that the MLBPA asked for the CBT to start at in the most recent CBA negotiations? $255 million. With the Mets spending $350 million and the small market Padres spending around $270 million, the players are going to demand the lowest level start around where the Padres spending is now when they go back to the table for the next CBA negotiation after the 2026 season.
The MLBPA is also looking at things like the Braves having $545 million in revenue in 2022 and the Blue Jays $524 million. Those 2 teams are not top 5 in revenue and they could still have player payroll of $260-270 million while keeping payroll at 50% of revenue. The players are asking that player salaries and benefits get to the 50% level that it is in all the other major sports, so if teams that are not the top teams in revenue can profitably spend that much. why would the CBT be less than that level?
What ticks me off as an Angels fan is that the Angels ARE a top 5-6 revenue team and Arte has not spent anywhere near that level.
fw-
Isn’t this the same team that spent years building up their farm system and was a continuous number 1 in prospect rankings, only to see almost all of them traded away for a few stars and a bunch of flashy names. The lack of homegrown talent will be their downfall. In a few short years the Padres will be looked at as an example of how not to build a baseball team.
csspackler
Wanna bet?
slimray
yes ill bet you,the padres dont win a title this year. send me an email and we will work out details on the amount of the bet
fw-
Csspackler, I do. What’s your proposal? Let’s lay out the details so everyone on mlbtr can be witness to it. My proposal – if the Padres win the World Series in the next say..3years (a season of at least 100+ games) I’ll PayPal you $100. If I win and they fail, you have to wear an LA Dodgers PFP for 2 Weeks. Good deal for you, no?
Simm
In a couple of years they will have replenished the farm system. It’s already has real talent coming again. Merrill, Zavala, lesko, snelling, Salas. Plus have already agreed to sign the top or top 2 international prospect again next year.
Padres have a great international scouting group. Plus players like manny, tatis, Xander and Soto make it even easier.
They traded away prospects for more than a few mlb guys. Soto, mustrgrove, hader, snell, darvish, cronenworth, Grisham, Nola.
Their Asian international scouting has also lead them to finding guys like Martinez, Suarez and Kim. All of which are playing a big role on the team.
As long as Seidler is willing to have a high payroll the padres will be just fine. People keep asking how long can it last but he is signing guys for 5 plus years. Most have no trade clause so their plan isn’t to cut payroll anytime soon.
LFGSD619
They won’t have replenished the farm I. A couple years. They no longer have top 10 draft picks to work with and any prospect that does a good job will just get traded.
outinleftfield
Just curious, but have the Dodgers and Yankees had top 10 draft picks to work with in the past decade? Has that stopped them from having great farm systems? How do winning teams keep having all those great prospects when they never have those top 10 draft picks?
Simm
Let’s see merril was drafted 21’ and the first round pick 27. Is now a top 20 prospect. That same year the drafted woods in the second round and he is a top 10 prospect. You don’t need to 10 picks to draft well. The dodgers are a great example of this. They have the top farm right now and never draft in the top 20.
This isn’t football or basketball.
LFGSD619
The point is the farm won’t make it back to the level it was at 3 years ago. Dodgers and Yankees farm systems are nothing compared to that one.
Pads Fans
Dodgers have 7 players in the top 100. 3 in the top 50. They every bit the equal of the Padres farm system of a couple years ago.
The Padres can and will be back in that category in a couple years. They have Merrill a consensus top 20 prospect and Lesko in the top 100 now.
Salas will jump into the top 100 as soon as he actually plays a few pro games. How good is he? At 16 his scouting grades are higher than #14 overall prospect Diego Cartaya’s. He is camp with the Padres and expected to skip the Dominican Summer Leagues and go straight to Arizona Rookie League ball. I cannot remember any prospects that have done that at 16 before.
Zavala is on all of the other top 100 lists except the one by MLB. He will jump into the top 100 as soon as a couple of players graduate.
Snelling will as well.
At 18, Lizarraga put up a 3.43 ERA in the Cal league where the average ERA was 5.12 and the average age is 22. At 18!! He will bust into the top 100 by mid season.
Adam Mazur, the Padres 2nd round draft pick in 2022, has a shot at jumping up the lists once he plays pro ball. The Padres shut him down after he threw 93 innings in college ball last season.
I am going to mention one other name that may make it to the top 100 before graduating to the Padres once there is an injury. Jay Groome. He is sitting 94-95 with his fastball early in camp, velocity he has not seen in years. He put up a 3.16 ERA in 10 starts for El Paso after being traded to the Padres. The average ERA on the Chihuahuas was 5.53 and in the PCL it was 5.39. Its a haven for hitters.
That is 5 and possibly 7 on the to p100 by the middle of this season.
Brew88
It seems your articulate post above is needed in every mlbtr article/rumor involving the Padres, to clarify the reality of Seidler being in this game for a long time. Fans get it right when they say the Pads are all in. But what they don’t get is that under Seidler they’re all in, in perpetuity.
The Padres overall scouting success, especially international outreach, has been one of the biggest stories in baseball the past 5-7 years, staying under the radar with most fans.
And the WBC is like a recruiting tour for SDP
DiehardFriarsFan
FW- dumb user name btw. You have absolute no idea what you are talking about so go continue to be worthless and voluntarily unemployed somewhere else….mmmmkkkk big guy?
fw-
That’s quite the projection. You ok?
Hammerin' Hank
The Padres will be a force to be reckoned with for a long time, despite what a bunch of jealous fans of inferior teams may believe.
fw-
You ok DiehardFriarsFan? dumb user name btw.
Yanks4life22
I never understood why teams feel necessary to throw money at a player a second time after they trigger their opt-out. The Padres were on track to get Machados 5 primes seasons with no strings attached now they have to cross their fingers he stays motivated/healthy going forward.
LFGSD619
Because they don’t want to lose the player and know he will get a lot more in FA. Same reason you guys threw money at A-Rod and Aroldis Chapman when they triggered their opt-outs.
Yanks4life22
I hated those deals for Arod and Chapman. I also knew they were both overrated and choke artists when it counted (A-roids 2009 playoffs aside) and also despised them as people.
With the opt out you get their premium years without the liability of them losing it in their 30’s and it becoming dead money. I would love that ad an owner.
LFGSD619
Actually you do get the liability of them losing it in their 30’s and it becoming dead money. In fact, you get it even WORSE because the player will opt out if and only if they DON’T lose it in their 30s. Look at the history of players with opt-outs for proof of that.
LFGSD619
The real problem is that the Padres gave Manny Machado an opt-out at all.
DiehardFriarsFan
Dodgers are WEAK this year. Just look at their new infield it’s absolutely pathetic. Can’t wait to “Slay The Dragon” for a second year in a row. Permanently, most likely. Dave Roberts has already been job hunting behind closed doors. I know it. And every single one of you on this website knows it too.
DiehardFriarsFan
So Max Muncy and Miguel Rojas are the new rival team competition for Machado?! LMAOOO.
utah cornelius
Seems you’ve forgotten karma. That’s why humility is the better course of action.
AAATIGERS2020
Miguel Cabrera contract 2.0
outinleftfield
Cabrera was a Gold Glove caliber 3B when he signed that extension at age 33?
fred-3
Sure, but Machado is not the hitter Miggy was
Pads Fans
The difference is not that great. 159 OPS+ vs 169 OPS+ in their platform years. The big difference is age.
letsgopadresialsolikeoakland
No he is not just sign a new second $300 million contract…he signed a six year extension on top of the current five years remaining on his contract
letsgopadresialsolikeoakland
No he is not he signed a 6 year extension not a new $300 million
Dumpster Divin Theo
Underpay
1975Reds
This was a ploy on his part just to get more money
Hammerin' Hank
What do you want him to do, try to get less money?
mrpadre19
All of those saying the Padres will be sorry one day haven’t been paying attention for the last FIVE decades.
We’ve never won anything!
We never spent money and mostly finished 4th or 5th.
You think anyone involved with the Org,or the fans,would prefer that over this?
Lol
I’ll take 10 years with a top 5 team over what I’ve seen since 1969 no matter how it looks in 2033!
spectaculer187
Exactly………Aj Preller doing what he’s paid to do Entertain us and keep the Padres in the headlines everyday
3 out of the 5 top trending players are Padres
This what they call marketing winning!
Deleted Userrr
Actually he’s paid to put a winner on the field. It’s better to be a completely boring winner like say, the 2015 Royals, than make a bunch of headline grabbing moves and chase a bunch of shiny objects only to fall flat.
JackStrawb
It’s abject foolishness. The Padres would do much better by simply putting that $350 million towards a sensational FA (or plural, if you like) during the 2023-2024 offseason and get the heart of a great player’s career—-not just the end of his peak then a long, bitter rind of decline.
prov356
I love franchise players. It’s good for baseball and fans.
JackStrawb
Ridiculous. The Padres will be paying Machado 6/190m for his age 36 to 41 seasons.
Meanwhile the Twins are paying Correa, who has been a hair more valuable on the field, 6/200m for his age 28 to 33 seasons.
It’s spelled b-o-n-e-h-e-a-d-e-d. There’s a decent chance Machado will only be ‘worth’ (in MLB’s bizarre finances very roughly $9m per 1 WAR) about what his current contract would pay him: 5/160m in 2024-2028 for 18 rWAR. He’d do that with a pleasant decline of something like 4.6, 4.0, 3,4, 2.7, 2.0 rWAR—then throw in 1.3 rWAR at the finish with the Diamondbacks or Marlins before he hangs them up after his age 36 season and waits the requisite five years before the HOF inducts him in 2035.
In order to ensure they enjoy these three good, not great seasons, then two respectable seasons at about market rate, the Padres are tossing in another $190 million. It’s lunacy. It’s not even close to sane. There’s no argument for it unless you think inflation is going to double digits over the next decade.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Trying to keep a popular player and core intact while remaining perennial contenders has its cost.
BaseballisLife
He is coming off 2 straight MVP caliber seasons. The next 3 seasons are likely to be great too. Then followed by a couple of good but not great seasons and a couple of respectable league average type seasons then a couple seasons as a respectable hitting DH then a couple of seasons that are just bad.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
The NPV on this deal will save the Padrees quite a bit of money here. It’s a decent deal for them.
waterdog311
And I never thought I’d root for the Dodgers! Here’s hoping the Pads don’t even sniff a wildcard.
Smelly_Cobb
You hate Machado or what? What’s causing you to root for the doyers?
LordD99
I understand how paying him less the next four seasons helps by reducing payroll, but what advantage do they get by declaring $45MM of the contract is a signing bonus if it’s paid over 11 years? Why not say it’s all salary with the same pay schedule?
mydadleftme
Can’t trade a signing bonus
YankeesBleacherCreature
I guess it allows them, if needed later, to restructure/defer only the signing bonus portion without drawing the ire of the MLBPA.
Old York
Give a new meaning to Senior Circuit.
Sunday Lasagna
3952-4568, .464 W-L%. 5 division titles and 18 last place finishes. Longest streak of winning seasons 4. Prior to last year, the Padres had 10 consecutive losing seasons (can’t count 2020 as a winning season unless you agree the Dodgers won a World Championship). The Padres have a history of losing far more than they win……until they outlive the shadow of their losing ways, no matter what their payroll is they are just a 2nd division team.
Simm
Keep praying that’s the case…Seidler will prove otherwise.
On a side 2020 was a shell of season so it’s fair not to count it as a winning season. Or any season at all for the perhaps of results.
So padres winnings season in a row stands at 1
Padres championships the last 34 years equals the dodgers. Sounds good.
Sunday Lasagna
When Machado jogs to first base, the team will follow suit. Non hustling overpaid losers……..
foppert
Listened to an interesting take on Machado’s
v Harpers agents yesterday. Both originally became free agents at the same time.
The greatest agent in the universe gets Harper 13 for $330. Machado’s guy ends up getting him 15 for $470. That’s quite the difference. Bryce must have some serious FOMO.
Simm
Perhaps Bryce was happy with 330m and didn’t want to become a free agent again. Was more than willing to stay a Philly for life.
Padres back then never spent real dollars or were known for spending like the Phillies.
Different players, different orgs they signed into at that time.
Really don’t think it matters from an agent standpoint.
Machado prob wanted that in his contract to protect vs the padres be the same old padres.
Instead it came up at the right time when huge dollars were being spent so he took advantage of it.
Once again I think this was about the players, orgs and timing…not the agents.
foppert
I think Machado’s guy including a 5 yr opt out was very very wise. Dude must have a crystal ball.
Deleted Userr
Bryce could have stayed a Phillie for life if he had an opt-out. Manny having an opt-out sure didn’t stop him from staying a Padre for life.
The opt-out was precisely for this situation, Manny continuing on his Hall of Fame trajectory and the market changing such that players like him get paid more.
Preller really ended up with his pants around his ankles for giving Manny an opt-out.
Luke Strong
This is the kind of franchise-wrecking deal the Tigers gave to Cabrera, except when they did it, he was better than Machado ever was. Sure as sunlight, it wrecked the franchise. The Padres will never win.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I’ve always loved Cabrera but he was never a good fielder and unfortunately he hurt his back in the 2017 WBC and has never been the same since.
Very few players have ever hit like Cabrera in his prime but Machado is way more athletic and I think he will age just fine.
Will Machado be worth 39mil at age 40, unlikely – but clearly he is worth way more than 17mil right now.
BaseballisLife
I love Miggy. He is one of the greatest hitters I have ever seen. He was coming off a monster year at the plate in 2015 when he signed that extension. He hit .338 with a 169 OPS+ and 4.9 WAR. Insanely good, especially at his age.
The problem with his contact was that he was going into his age 33 season, was already a full time 1B/DH, and had missed 40 plus games because of leg injuries in 2015.
Machado is coming off a 159 OPS+ season with the bat, 6.8 WAR, and hasn’t missed 40 games in the last 8 seasons combined. He was 2nd in MVP voting in his age 29 season. 2023 will be his age 30 season. 3 years is a lifetime in baseball.
Other than both being future HOFers, not a good comparison.
LFGSD619
Tigers extended Miggy after 2013…
Pads Fans
Miggy was a better hitter than Machado. Miggy had a 169 OPS+ in his platform season compared to Machado’s 159 OPS+. That is 10% better.
Miggy had already been stuck at 1B and DH since 2008 when he signed that extension prior to the 2016 season and he was 3 years older than Machado is now. .
Miggy’s WAR in 2015 was 4.9 compared to 6.8 for Machado in 2022. Machado was the better overall player in his platform season compared to Miggy in his. platform season.
The Padres have 3 full seasons of Machado before he gets to the age Miggy played at in his first season of that extension.
In the 5 seasons after he signed that extension, at age 33-37, Miggy was a 117 OPS+ hitter. If he had played good defense at 3B like Machado does, his WAR would have still been above league average over those 5 seasons.
Sal66
The Padres have a superstar team for five years. Only three current players have contracts extending to year six. One will be a still-young Tatis.
Manny’s 300M contract, 30M year, became obsolete after four years, so he opted out. And you are all whining that 39M/ year eleven years from now will be too much?
This is sustainable and will work out fine.
RobM
Fans of other teams who complain about the outer years of a contract really do it because their team doesn’t have the player. Complaining about something 8+ years out is pretty pointless. Of course Machado won’t be as good then, but the deal is for the next six years. The outer years will allow the Padres to reset, meanwhile, the value of the dollar will deflate, the luxury tax thresholds will be higher, other contracts will be long gone, etc. Spreading the value out over 11 years is preferable to a higher AAV over eight years.
slowcurve
I could see SD taking the west this year.
Luke Strong
The one thing about these type of contracts that stands out most to me is how the club can only get their money’s worth if the guy plays at an All-Star level every season. It’s unlikely he will deliver more value than they are paying him, but they take on all the risk of his regression. They almost never work out, and it’s like certain owners never learned from all the similar contracts signed in the past that have been disastrous to the franchise. The GM’s have a pretty good idea they won’t be around when it all blows up, but in the moment today, it makes them look good to the fans. The Padres just ruined their roster flexibility for years to come. This deal will haunt them like Pujols, Cabrera, Rendon, Chris Davis, Cano and many others.
baseballteam
a761506 – right on, Padres 2026 and on will be a catastrophe.
BaseballisLife
If long term deals didn’t work out the billionaire owners and their genius IVY league employees wouldn’t keep signing those deals.
saratoga72
Mets and Padres are owned by 2 enormous hedge fund managers… I wonder if they have any actual limit to what they will spend…
Does anybody doubt the Mets and Padres will both offer Ohtani $500M next year (assuming he is healthy)? If they run payrolls around $600M/year, would MLB step in and do something g before the CBA is over? At some point it will be a joke to pretend all 30 teams are playing the same game.
bcjd
He ought to turn over that signing bonus to Dustin Pedroia to make amends for ruining his career.
saratoga72
Hypothetical – if Elon Musk buys the Angels, Warren Buffett buys the Nationals, Jeff Bezos buys the Marlins, Larry Ellison buys the Cubs, and Steve Ballmer buys the Giants…. All insanely rich billionaires with huge egos… How would any low Revenue teams handle it. The league could have 8 to 10 teams with $500M+ payrolls and 8 to 10 with $50M-$75M payrolls. It is happening already. Only a matter of time before more hedge fun billionaires buy teams.
G-Force
These multi-million dollar contracts sure make me feel poor af lmao…
Best of luck to Machado and the Pads. Padres will sure need to win a championship now or within the next few years with all of those bulky contracts. That said, it’s great to see them trying to win.
Sal66
The Padres have at least five years of Manny still in his prime, five years of Bogaerts, five ears of Musgrove, and ten years of Tatis.
They’ll likely get ten years of Soto.
I’ll take it.