The Padres already grabbed headlines earlier today by agreeing to an extension with Yu Darvish that runs through 2028. It seems the next order of business will be Manny Machado, with Dennis Lin of The Athletic reporting that the club is expected to explore a long-term deal with their third baseman prior to Opening Day. Machado’s current deal runs through 2028 but he can opt out after the upcoming campaign.
After many excellent seasons with the Orioles and a brief cameo with the Dodgers, Machado hit the open market before the 2019 season. The Padres ended up winning the bidding by signing him to a 10-year, $300MM contract, though one that afforded him the ability to opt out and return to free agency after the fifth year. The first season of the deal was a bit disappointing by Machado’s standards, as he hit .256/.334/.462 for a wRC+ of 109. He also had to play 37 games at shortstop while Fernando Tatis Jr. was on the injured list, which dragged down his defensive numbers on the season. Machado finished the year with 2.2 wins above replacement per the calculations of FanGraphs, still solid but a big drop from the 7.0 fWAR he posted the year prior.
Since then, however, he’s been largely back to his old self, with the most recent campaign arguably the best he’s ever had. He hit 32 home runs and stole nine bases in 2022, finishing the year with a .298/.366/.531 batting line and 152 wRC+. Defensive Runs Saved and Ultimate Zone Rating thought his glovework was subpar, but Machado posted eight Outs Above Average. His 7.4 fWAR was the highest tally of his career and trailed only Aaron Judge among all position players on the year. He finished second in the National League Most Valuable Player voting with Paul Goldschmidt taking the trophy.
If Machado’s 2023 campaign is even half as good as that, he should be looking at a fairly easy opt-out choice at the end of it. The original deal was structured evenly, with Machado getting a $20MM signing bonus and $10MM salary in 2019, with $30MM salaries in each season after. That means he currently has six years and $180MM remaining as of this moment, but will be down to five years and $150MM once he has to make his decision.
Machado is 30 years and will be 31 this winter, when he could theoretically be a free agent. That’s a different situation than when he was first on the open market as a 26-year-old, but a huge deal should still be attainable, especially when looking at the deals that star players have been signing lately. Judge is just about to turn 31 and secured himself a nine-year, $360MM deal that runs through his age-39 campaign. Trea Turner is about to turn 30 but got himself an 11-year, $300MM deal into his age-40 season. Carlos Correa had two separate deals scuttled by concerns over the long-term health of his ankle and still secured himself a $200MM guarantee over six years with four vesting options. Jacob deGrom is about to turn 35 and has missed significant time recently but still got $185MM over five years.
The Padres have shown that they’re not afraid to give out these kinds of deals. A couple of months ago, they gave 30-year-old Xander Bogaerts an 11-year, $280MM contract and just today agreed to keep Darvish around through his age-41 campaign. Keeping all that mind, an MVP-level talent like Machado should be able to easily find himself a guarantee larger than the five years and $150MM he’ll be sitting on at season’s end. If he were to opt out, he would arguably be the second-best free agent available in next winter’s class, behind only Shohei Ohtani. That potentially creates a situation where the ticking clock ratchets up the tension throughout the year and perhaps the club would prefer to get something done now in order to avoid that distraction.
The Padres don’t exactly have a clear long-term payroll, as Bogaerts is under contract through 2033 and Tatis 2034, but they’ve shown a clear willingness to be flexible in getting deals done when they want to. In the short term, they might have to think about the competitive balance tax, as they have been hovering around the $273MM third tier recently. If they finish the season above that line, they will not only pay higher tax rates but will also see their top pick in the 2024 draft bumped back by ten spots. Since the luxury tax is calculated by a contract’s average annual value, perhaps the Padres try to spread out a new deal in order to lower the CBT hit.
Whatever form the contract eventually takes, it seems the Padres would rather keep Machado around than see him dive back into the free agent waters. We shall find out in the next little while if they can get something done before Opening Day, which is now about seven weeks away.
amk1920
Padres are trying up an insane amount of payroll long term. The Soto trade was the final nail in their coffin at any chance of a long term window. After 2024 that team will be lucky to finish in 3rd place.
SanDiegoTom
Nice assumption.
Henry Silvestre
Yeah a team with Manny Xander Tstis Soto Musgrove Yu AND Othani it’s really going to suck in 2025 2026 2027 sure
Samuel
Henry Silvestre;
I missed it – when did Othani sign with them?
Mac Attack
Cohen will offer Ohtani $500 mil. The Padres have no shot.
Henry Silvestre
And here comes Merrill/Zavala/Salas Lesko/Snelling and Mazur as elite prospects within 2025 and 2027.. not to mention another 4 drafts and International signing periods.. Padres are going to dominate the West for decades Brosky!
Simm
They already have an agreement with the second best international prospect next year after signing the top international prospect this year.
People can hate on preller but he definitely knows how to build up a farm system.
Zerbs63
You mean trade away a farm system.
Simm
Yes he trades them away for players some of names include cronenworth, Soto, mustgrove, darvish, snell, hader ect…
Samuel
Henry Silvestre;
No.
Most of the Padres past “elite prospects” have turned into anything but elite ML players.
The strategy is to use their “farm capital” to take on large salaries in trade – as they’ve been doing for years now. The NBA no longer takes draft choices seriously, and the Padres are doing the same thing with their farm system prospects. They’re just trade chips for established players – the owner will happily go over the salary cap and pay the tax. Like they care.
YourDreamGM
Rogers Manaea Clevinger Frazier Nola
Deleted Userr
Some of those dudes will bust. The rest will be traded.
amk1920
The players actually under Padres control in that sentence will all be in their mid 30s. 40 for Darvish
Deleted Userr
Who besides you says Soto and Ohtani will be Padres in 2025 and beyond?
Simm
They will get a deal done with manny and I’d give them a very good chance of extended Soto. Heck even then I’d expect them to be heavy players for Ohtani.
The owner has said he doesn’t look at this as a window and as long as he is willing to spend the window as people call it will be open.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Doubt that they can absorb both Ohtani and Soto, especially if they have to extend Manny at a higher AAV. They may not get either Ohtani or Soto. They will throw money at them.
At some point money matters. Can’t extend/re-sign everyone. And the CBT will incrementally hurt more the more consecutive years you go over. It may not now but in a couple of years it will. The more money you tie up on superstar players the less you will have to fill the rest of the roster.
Simm
I think they will sign manny to a lower aav and by giving him 12 years. They know the tax is the real issue and the way around it is to pay players into their 40’s to lower the aav therefore lowering the tax hits.
websoulsurfer
Why would they have to increase Manny’s AAV? The reality is they will probably go longer than 10 and lower his AAV. Given their recent deals, 11/300 or 12/320 is the type of deal I am expecting.
Manny doesn’t care about AAV. He cares about total dollars and a chance to win. He has expressed a desire to “be a Padre for life” and to have a statue next to Tony Gwynn. That doesn’t happen unless he gets creative with length of contract so they can continue to build around him.
As far as Ohtani and Soto go, I believe the Padres will go all in on Ohtani. If they get him, then they don’t extend Soto. If they are not able to sign him, they go all in on a Soto extension as long as he has a good 2023.
OldSaltUSNR
That’s a pretty good call, i.e. Soto or Ohtani, but probably not both (they don’t actually need both for the roster construction). Judge just proved that just because a team wants a player, and is willing to pay literally “top dollar”, that doesn’t guarantee the player wants the team. For example, if Miami were to get it’s act together, I could see Manny at least thinking about finishing his career back home, but not at the cost of losing seasons, mostly determined by opening day.
The Pads are playing for aces, position players or pitchers, and Seidler’s willing to risk ponying up for the bill. Thus far, every time the Pads have escalated payroll, Padres fans have been willing to come out and pay it, in terms of seats, merchandize, food, and the whole entire Padres experience.
The thing about Seidler is (a) he’s from a baseball family, i.e. he KNOWS what he’s doing, and (b) he’s a venture capital type investor, he knows how to take risks, mitigate risks, and make a dollar to cover the costs + risks. The Padres aren’t a vanity purchase for him (which appears to be the case for many wealthy owners/ownership groups). It’s a long term BUSINESS investment for he and his family. He won’t care how many years the Pads have to pay the lux tax, if it accomplishes the goal. AJP is more likely to call “uncle” first, due to the impact on future draft prospects, but thus far, the Pads staff has been able to find ways to keep rebuilding without those top draft picks. If they’re in the hunt for the World Series year after year, they aren’t going to HAVE any top draft picks, anyway, so why worry about that?
I honestly think the lux tax is irrelevant for the Padres, for the next 3 to 5 years, while they build a solid, repeatable, winning foundation.
CaptainJudge99
I’m sure Machado will pursue that opt out in his contract, regardless of how the Padres play in 2023.
OldSaltUSNR
I’d bet cash that Preller pursues him, AND get’s him extended, before its even an issue for this season.
Jaysfan1981
As a Jays fan. I’m not going to hate on the Padres.
They are doing everything their fanbase can ask. And somehow keep getting fresh kids with high ceilings come through the minors
All they gotta do is win once in the next few years and it’ll justify everything Preler has done
James Midway
Tell me you know nothing about baseball without telling me you know nothing about baseball.
amk1920
Name me how many mega deals for players in their 30s have worked out. They just did one for Darvish. Xander got a ridiculous Pujols 2.0 deal. Name a Padres homegrown player they actually developed and kept.
James Midway
Darvish has been a workhorse. He also sells merch. For 18 a year it’s a good deal. They won’t extend Soto and that’s fine. But they will be fine for a while.
amk1920
He sells merchandise? OH let’s pay him until age 42! I’m sure the Padres will run out a 500 million dollar payroll to keep their window open
LosPobres1904
The Padres are screwed and so? Why are you worried what billionaires do with their money? It’s billionaires hobby
Michael Chaney
Honestly, if they can keep enough long-term payroll space and stop trading with the Guardians, I think they’ll be fine
SFGLifer
What a silly comment
Hired Gun 23
Get it done sooner than later. No use letting this drag out, they got a season to play with the least amount of distractions as possible…
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
Give Manny anything he wants plus a statue next to Tony.
dvmin98
Winner winner, lobster dinner (tired of chicken)
Gwynning
Add 5yr/$150 to erase the opt-out, boom bada bing.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Seems about right.
websoulsurfer
Start a deal with 2023 for 12/320. Gives him the total dollars he deserves and takes him through 2034 in a Padres uni. Gives the Padres the flexibility to go after more star players.
Deleted Userr
Well that would put all the delusional debbies who think the White Sox’s offer was better than the Padres’ offer in their place.
Buzz Killington
Honestly that deal has gone way better than I thought it would. They are just trying to do themselves in by spending like crazy. Preller did a great job building the farm system but a terrible job building out the team with lots of stupid signings and trades.
Samuel
The Padres owner (along primarily with the Mets owner) is trying to take MLB to where the NBA is…..
Draft choices mean nothing anymore – they’re just trade chips. No one wants to take time to develop youngsters, they’ll just pay for the ones that are developed. 26 of the 30 NBA teams are over the cap, and 2 of the 4 under it are under by less than $1m (current salary cap is $123,655,000).
The NBA shares most revenues, so teams can do that. But if we see perhaps 12-15 of the 30 MLB teams routinely going over the cap, the owners under have no way of competing with the revenues they bring in. Since MLB League owners are in fact partners, the cap penalties will have to be radically increased and the majority will vote for it. If the players union holds it up the league will not play for a season or two. The solution of course is total revenue sharing.
dvmin98
Padres are in win-now mode. They are using their draft capital to get there.
YourDreamGM
Say it again Sam. Most teams love prospects and will continue to. The NBA draft has few elite prospects and it’s hard to find something outside the very top of the draft. They also don’t have 5 years to develop them and another 7 to keep them for minimum wage and no guarantee money other than signing bonus.
websoulsurfer
Anytime your team is in the NLCS, you are doing lots of things right, regardless of how much money you spent. When you do it without your best player all season …
99socalfrc
Add 5/$120m to his current deal.
His next 11 years pays him $300m (More than they just gave Bogaerts, which IMO will be his ask)
His AAV on the current contract actually goes DOWN. Total deal would be 15/$420 or $28m AAV compared to the $30m he is at now.
Simm
Manny will get a new 12 year deal, it will start this year. 12/300m, added to the deal he has been paid will lower his aav. Padres will continue to do deals to pay players until their early 40’s to save on the tax hits by lowering their aav’s. Even if they don’t keep them all playing that long the money they save on the tax penalties pays for all of that. If the player plays well into their 40’s that’s a bonus.
99socalfrc
So you expect he will take a $5m per year paycut each of the next 6 years?
Good luck with that.
I don’t even know if the players union allows voiding a current deal to replace with a new one, it certainly hasn’t happened on a high profile case recently.
Simm
Literally just happens with darvish. Manny doesn’t have to take a pay cut the next 6 years they can front load the deal.
99socalfrc
I still don’t think he would go for that deal. It’s less AAV than they just gave Bogaerts and to put it plainly, Machado is better than Bogaerts.
I suspect every part of Machado’s deal (AAV and total $$$) will need to be bigger than Bogaerts
websoulsurfer
You seriously think Machado is worried about AAV and not just total dollars?
Deleted Userrr
Already went with total dollars over AAV the first time he was a free agent and now that he’s in his 30s the preference for total dollars over AAV would likely be more pronounced, rather than less.
CarverAndrews
Somewhere in there during this drive to do long term deals that has become so prevalent in the game today, there should be some form of assigned risk factor that pertains to the actual % of the roster that is under a long term deal.
As much as I admire what the Braves have managed to do with so many youngsters only tied up into their prime years, they are still going into the next few seasons with a high floor on the payroll that will leave them much less room for maneuvering and subject to the tax unless they make other moves. A little bit of bad injury or performance downturn related issues and then the lack of fluidity can hamper finding other solutions, unless they are willing to step up into the stupid money game (hat tip to my team owner).
Staggering the end of terms seems to be a part of the solution. And yeah…teams certainly know all of this as they project their payroll obligations into the future. But, without actually digging into the details for the Padres, they seem to be locking themselves into a far higher risk area than most others in a market that cannot quite support their level of current spending..
YourDreamGM
Braves are fine. When you look up that many all stars you don’t need much else. Rosario Ozuna Morton and others will be coming off the books. Extend Grissom and or another youngster and start shopping at the dollar store. Lots of good players in the 3 to 10 million range.
CarverAndrews
The Braves probably ARE fine…but the theory still applies. They have corporate ownership that is spending more than they ever have before, and if too many things go wrong, well…I have spent a lot of years watching big corporations change their approach to budgeting due to influences that have nothing to do with the situation at hand. So – a major injury to Strider and Riley, along with Acuna not getting his head together…tied into corporate undergoing internal or external market changes and who knows?
This does not mean that I don’t approve of, or am not slightly jealous of what AA has been doing.
YourDreamGM
Spending more than ever because they are making more than ever.
Fans have thought they are just a farm system for large markets for 20 years. Any small market fans in here who don’t realize this?
cecildawg
ca – and? blah yadi yadi
rct
They should tap the brakes on a Grissom extension. MLB history is littered with exciting, small sample rookies who never lived up to that rookie season the rest of their career.
Examples: Grissom had a 121 OPS+ (with a very high .350 BABIP) and 0.8 WAR in 41 games. Shane Spencer had a 236 OPS+ and a 1.1 WAR in 27 games as a rookie and was mediocre the rest of his career. Rico Brogna had a 158 OPS+ and 1.2 WAR in 39 games as a rookie and ended up with a negative career WAR. And on and on.
Braves might want to wait until some point later in the season before approaching Grissom.
Samuel
CarverAndrews;
The Padres will work around it. In least 5 years most of these players that look great in 2023 will regress as they age and their production will go down. Now, assuming the Padres bring in enough revenue, they won’t care about having underperforming contacts on the books – they’ll just buy more young free agents. Maybe move a few guys to other teams to get roster spaces and pay a good portion of their remaining salaries.
As I noted above – when fans in the bottem half of markets realize that they’re a farm club to the top 12-15 markets and the only name players that can get are over-the-hill players from the larger markets that pay a large portion of their salaries – they’ll lose interest in MLB. Without total revenue sharing this is where MLB is headed. The Seidler’s and Cohen’s could care less about how MLB plays nationwide. They’re only concerned with their team and how its market supports the team.
CarverAndrews
@Samuel – RE: the Padres handling it. Perhaps, but I would feel far less secure with their position than some of the other high spending teams. They are definitely edging into new territory for them. Clearly, the owner has given the green light, but if they don’t bring home the hardware in the next three years what if he alters his approach? Their safety net is not quite as large, unless he just decides to fund it in a huge way from outside interest.
As far as the “farm club” scenario…you know the history lesson. Most of the formative years and the “glory years” in baseball were under a system where even fewer teams had a real shot most of the time. No way that the Yankees win 20 WS titles if they don’t have two key factors – utter market / destination dominance that gave them much more of an unfair advantage than today, added to the win the pennant and head straight to the WS setup that was in place. Even more teams were “farm Clubs” in a way than today.
So as much as the game is filled with market=based inequities today, the gap is smaller than before due to the revenue sharing models. Plus, sports have become professionalized over time, so we don’t have penny-ante owners making arbitrary decisions anymore. Heck, as recently as the Carlton trade, the Cardinals unloaded him because the owner refused him a reasonable raise (don’t remember how much, but it was in the thousands per year).
My guess is that baseball continues in fits and starts to address the market variance dynamics even more over time.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Lock him up until he’s Medicare eligible.
Old timer 78
You have to weight MACHADO vs SOTO, which one do you want? Which has Better ROI. Do you keep Future HOF or Trade a Possible one. After Soto’s 2022, leaves a big question mark
Simm
No you don’t, they will do whatever they can to sign both.
Armaments216
Lock up Machado now if they can. Then wait and see at least another season with Soto. It’s not as if Soto is going to be offering any discounts to extend early.
YourDreamGM
I want the one that provides the most surplus. Might not want either. After the Hosmer Tatis Bogaerts contracts they are probably better off going with neither.
James Midway
Soto is going to hit the market. They won’t extend him
Simm
Yeah and that’s what I hear about manny from many fans. You shouldn’t underestimate the padres owner.
Deleted Userr
They still haven’t extended Manny. At least not yet.
Logistics Guy
Waste of time Both Tom R & Jed H of the Chicago Cubs. Will be In San Diego CA the day that 2023 San Diego Padres season end. With checkbook In hand. Just think Happ and M M could hit 750 million plus dollars In their two contacts combined
YourDreamGM
Machado is going to get 600 million or Happ is going to get 350?
The Big Yo
Padres have too many luxury players and not a lot of hard workers
YourDreamGM
#bringbackadamfrazier
SanDiegoTom
Manny works his butt off. Not a good take
99socalfrc
In his last 8 seasons Manny Machado has missed 38 games.
In 8 seasons COMBINED.
He misses an average of 4.75 games a season.
Him “not working hard” is basically the worst take of the day.
Brew88
Play well, and you get extended. Next up Manny and Juan. After 3 or 4 MVPs, they’ll extend Tati too
CrikesAlready
The players will put themselves ahead of the team being able to take on Ohtani in free agency. Fine.
Mikenmn
Probably a counterintuitive take, but the Padres might best be served by him opting out after a strong year, and Machado signing with another team.
YourDreamGM
Agree with their contracts history.
Deleted Userr
Absolutely not. If he has another strong year him opting out and signing elsewhere is equivalent to the sky falling. If they are worried about him declining they can trade him for a haul. No need for him to opt out.
Tiger_diesel92
I’m just curious how many of these players are going to perform at a high level once they reach 35 and later. Like some players value really drops bad. Cano, arod, pujols.
cloutthedriver
Over a 100,000 people showed up for the padres fan fest this year and season tickets had to be capped to let single game tickets be available , most exciting team in california this season means millions over extra money coming in to pay for the contracts being so close to the border you get all the Baja mexico fans too
websoulsurfer
You will be hard pressed to get single game tickets from the Padres site as of today. The Padres just might sell out the season before it actually begins.
cloutthedriver
Over a 100,000 people showed up for the padres fan fest this year and season tickets had to be capped to let single game tickets be available , most exciting team in california this season means millions over extra money coming in to pay for the contracts being so close to the border you get all the Baja mexico fans
YourDreamGM
Refusing to sell season tickets sounds awful to me. I want guaranteed money for every game.
cecildawg
mouse droppings
websoulsurfer
Its state law. They have to cap them to make single game tickets available. That may not matter soon, because there are not many single game tickets left if any.
cloutthedriver
they should spend that money on soto instead of machado let him walk
YourDreamGM
A dh coming off a down year who wants half a billion or more. Pass for me.
VonPurpleHayes
Here in NY, media is acting like Manny and Ohtani are locks for the Mets. So I’m hoping they stay on their respective clubs.
Simm
Manny will be extended, so you can cross him off the list. He has already told the padres where he stands and now they are going to work out a deal. He will get paid and he loves San Diego.
websoulsurfer
I was watching a TV show about his house in Coronado. Insane!! He can see the ballpark from his house and could take a boat from there to the ballpark if he wanted.
YourDreamGM
I want to see a billion payroll personally.
llokokokok
Which team do you support?
websoulsurfer
Cohen is moving in that direction.
Sunday Lasagna
Machado doesn’t sign an extension (period)
He knows the Yankees, Mets and Dodgers have holes at 3B. Machado waits, it’s his market. No matter what the Padres offer the open market with those teams involved will offer more.
Simm
He loves San Diego he has already let his feelings known to the padres and said it’s up the owner and preller. They know he wants to be there and know what he wants. This deal will get done.
Sunday Lasagna
Every free agent, free agent to be and extension candidate says that they love where they are. Negotiations 101. Make them think you love your job.
llokokokok
People outside of San Diego who have concluded he isn’t staying just made up a story as they always do for everyone that they decide will come to NY or wherever. Absolute delusion. There isn’t even a small feeling of doubt in SD about Machado staying with the padres for his entire career. After all the money Seidler has spent, what makes you think Machado is where the line is drawn in terms of payroll? Seidler just said he will do everything to keep Manny in San Diego. Pretty straight forward. Any article or mention of him going to Yankees or Mets is just some rando in NY who needed some clicks.
OldSaltUSNR
As I’ve written elsewhere, Manny loves home, which is Miami. If he thought Miami would be anywhere near competitive, home plus Florida’s zero income tax rate, might very well push him to finish his career at home.
However, that’s about the only direction other than San Diego, I think he might go. He might have liked the bright lights of L.A., but the Dodgers and he didn’t exactly mix. From everything I’ve heard and read, he’s happy with his pay, he’s happier than he’s ever been in San Diego (and he liked Baltimore a lot when he was there), and if AJP and his agent can work out the details, that extension is a done deal, just simple paperwork.
Again, I don’t have special sources, and Manny is actually a “bright lights” kind of guy (i.e. he’s a Miami boy), but he’s never sought out Chicago, NY, or other Eastern big city destinations, and LA clearly didn’t work out. I think he fits in San Diego, and recognizes that. I also don’t think he’s hoping to be the first 3/4 $BILLION ballplayer, either.
cecildawg
Let manny stay in SD. We had him for a pinch. I would not want him for twenty bucks. His mind.
99socalfrc
Do you honestly believe Peter Seidler is going to be outbid? His track record right now is basically flawless in this regard.
The Dodgers already passed on Machado so I don;t see them bidding on him.
The CBT went up this year given the new deal in place, next off season will be much a much tighter market.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
I love all the accountants on here pretending like they know what team’s yearly finances are. Hate to break it to y’all, but I’d be willing to bet that in reality, every MLB team banks between 100m-400m after everything’s said and done..and if any owner wants to cut into that amount to get better? They can do exactly what Seidler’s doing in SD..but they chose to be mediocre in most cases, and just pocket the profits.
Personally, I think Seidler’s lifting the veil on how much behind the scenes money there is..and I’d be willing to bet that even with the payroll shooting through the roof, he still banks somewhere in the mid level of all teams at the end of the year through greatly increased revenues.
By some accounts, the team value’s tripled over the last 5 years under his watch..and maaaan..I’m glad I’m here to see it.
LFGSD
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I wouldn’t be surprised if Padres go bankrupt in a couple of years.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Lol, right! You imagine dividing up all “assets” in court, and some Investor gets Tatis doing his yard work (his wife demands “shirtless” as part of their uniform and grooming policy!).
llokokokok
Can’t even sell any tickets those broke idiots. Oh wait.
websoulsurfer
Well they can’t now. Season tickets are sold out. Single game tickets will be in the next few weeks.
Cincyfan85
Incoming absurd extension through his age 43 season.
Simm
This I believe.
cecildawg
Classic!
Jean Matrac
Teams can reduce the CBT hit by adding extra years, reducing the AAV. It’s a common practice. But there are limits. MLB is not going to allow a team to sign a 31 year-old guy to a 14 year deal. When it becomes clear CBT manipulation MLB will step in.
Another thing is how many guys can you do that with? At some point, paying tens of millions of dollars to multiple players in their 40s is going to be a problem. Sure, teams can release non-productive players, but they still have to pay them. There has to be some point where that starts to hurt a team and their payroll flexibility.
Simm
Depends on if they all become 40 at the same time. Darvish will be 40 way before Xander. Now if they pay machado until he is in his 40’s then Xander and machado would both be 40 around the same time. Tatis only runs until he is 35. If they did the same thing with Soto he would be 40 after these guys are off the books. They could also front these deals since is more about keeping the aav down. So the amount they get in the 40 range could be pretty manageable.
Jean Matrac
It still seems to me that it isn’t that free of problems, just slapping extra years on a deal to reduce the AAV. Front loading the deals helps, but for guys in the $25M-$30M AAV range, it’s still going to be tens of millions for multiple players in their 40s. Plus, MLB would not allow the front loading to be extreme, since it would be obvious CBT manipulation.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Realistically though..Darvish is still most likely very good for the next 3-4 years, then is serviceable for the last couple..and even if he’s a 4.5 era guy in ‘26-‘28 at 18m/yr, based on the way the salaries are skyrocketing, and the way the luxury tax threshold is going up, it seems that’ll be about where he’d be valued in the market.
Jean Matrac
FirstRoundAdiosMets, I completely agree. My post was a general team-wide comment. I think the Darvish extension is a really good deal that should pay off for them. I’m just thinking that the Padres signing/re-signing/extending a number of guys, and adding years on to reduce the AAV is eventually going to give them several guys that are going to be paid a lot of money when they’re in their late 30s and even 40+.
It’s just that a number of posts suggested extending Machado, and Soto by adding years on to their deals. With Bogaerts being paid almost $25M in his age 40 season, it seems like it could be a problem adding a couple more guys like that, as well as wanting to sign Ohtani. At some points the chickens will come home to roost.
Simm
There is a good chance you may have some dead money on the books the last 1-3 years or so. The dead money on the back end is less than the tax hit on the front end. So overall it’s less money for the padres and pays the player what they want. Plus there is good reason to believe todays athlete is better conditioned to play longer and still be useful.
It’s pay more today or pay less tomorrow. They will pay at some point.
The other thing to keep in mind is where will the tax level be in 5 years. It very well may go up to 260-280m in 10 years. Making the back end of these deals even cost less.
There is real risk, no doubt but the padres owner will do pretty much anything to win a championship.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Simm-18m I’m dead money on the books in 4-6yrs should realistically be like about 10m now..and most teams have at least one of those guys who they’ve bought out or paid off to trade.
websoulsurfer
MLB revenue, meaning team revenue, roughly doubled from 2011 to 2022. If it does that in the next 12 years, then teams can continue to spend on players.
This one belongs to the Reds
I’m sure Heyman will report a new contract for Michael Machado any day now.
Deleted Userr
Is that Jason deGrom’s roommate?
This one belongs to the Reds
I think he knows Arson Judge too!
friarfootin
Ownership will get something done to prevent this from becoming a distraction. We are on course to building a dynasty along the same path as the 1980s Lakers and the 1990’s 49ers.
mrpadre19
All of you that don’t follow the Padres closely don’t know what you’re talking about if you think he’ll reach free agency.Manny and Seidler are CLOSE.
Seidler has had Manny involved in re-designing the Clubbouse.
He just built a home and says he wants to stay.
Think of it this way….why would SD have signed Xander if that meant they wouldn’t have the $ to extend Machado?
Answer is they wouldn’t.
Machado is next and IMO it will be before the WBC starts.