Max Scherzer’s three-year deal with the Mets is now one-third of the way complete and will afford him the ability to opt out at the end of the upcoming season. Andy Martino of SNY asked Scherzer about that forthcoming choice and the pitcher was fairly noncommittal about it, complimenting the direction of the organization but also acknowledging the business aspect of things.
“You have to understand the context of why I negotiated that in, and the context of where we’re at now,” Scherzer said, before elaborating that he didn’t know what to expect from the club if Jacob deGrom triggered his own opt-out at the end of 2022. “It was, if Jake opts out, you didn’t know what was going to happen. You didn’t know where the Mets would be as an organization. A big draw for me to come to New York was to get the chance to pitch with him, and here he has an opt out in year one. If he did take it and go somewhere else, what is the organization going to do?” After a chuckle, he said, “I got an answer.” Of course, he now knows that owner Steve Cohen was willing to spend lavishly on free agents, ramping the club’s payroll to the top of the league in order to field a competitive team for 2023.
That response from Scherzer stands in contrast to that of deGrom, who was quite clear at this time last year that his plan was to trigger his opt-out. It’s been a similar story lately with Padres third baseman Manny Machado, who’s openly declared his intention to opt out of his deal this fall. The fact that Scherzer isn’t quite so emphatic is perhaps somewhat hopeful for Mets fans, but it could also come down to a business decision, something Scherzer acknowledged as well. “If it becomes a business situation, we will cross that bridge at a different time,” he added. “At the end of the year, that will get taken care of … I’m not thinking about it. Obviously, you go through six months of the baseball season, anything can change. So it’s not even worth it to comment on whether I’m going to use it or not.”
If Scherzer has another typical ace season, he would be facing an interesting decision from a business perspective. He will turn 39 years old in July and be deciding whether or not to leave $43.33MM on the table and become a free agent again. That’s a lot of money to turn down for a player that age, but his now-teammate Justin Verlander secured himself a two-year, $86.66MM guarantee going into his age-40 season, the same average annual value. With that in mind, Scherzer might actually leave more money on the table by not triggering his opt-out. If he were to decide to depart, the Mets would be losing two members of its current rotation, as Carlos Carrasco is in the final year of his contract.
Some other notes from around the National League East…
- Braves right-hander Michael Soroka is dealing with a sore hamstring that will prevent him from taking the mound for about a week and from appearing in spring games for a few weeks. “It’s a kick in the groin,” Soroka said to David O’Brien of The Athletic about the setback. “Pretty frustrating, especially given the early offseason for me, just to be able to get ready for this spring training. Then coming down with that was not fun. But that’s how it goes, and we’ll be moving forward here pretty shortly.” Soroka has been significantly impeded by injuries in recent years, with his 2020 cut short after three starts due to a torn right Achilles. The recovery has been quite arduous, involving three surgeries as he missed the past two seasons entirely. This latest issue doesn’t seem to be huge, but it’s understandably frustrating that there’s yet another hurdle to clear. In 2019, Soroka made 29 starts with a 2.68 ERA over 174 2/3 innings. He figured to compete with Ian Anderson for the club’s fifth starter spot this year but he might have to play a bit of catch-up whenever he’s healthy. He does still have an option year remaining, should he need more time in the minors to get stretched out after this delay.
- The Phillies informed reporters, including Alex Coffey of the Philadelphia Inquirer, that right-hander Noah Song has been discharged from the Navy and is expected to be in camp tomorrow. (EDIT: The club later clarified Song has not been discharged, but was transferred from active duty to selective reserves, which allows him to play baseball. Twitter link from Matt Gelb of The Athletic.) Song, 26 in May, was drafted by the Red Sox in 2019 but his baseball career was put on hold when the Department of Defense ordered the United States Naval Academy graduate to report to flight school. He was left unprotected in the most recent Rule 5 draft and was selected by the Phillies, whose president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski was with the Red Sox at the time Song was first drafted. Some considered him a first-round talent back then, though he lingered until the fourth round due to concerns around that military commitment. This will now be an interesting and unusual experiment, as Song still hasn’t pitched professionally since a stint at Low-A in 2019. He was quite good at that time, posting a 1.06 ERA over seven starts but will now be jumping straight to the majors. As a Rule 5 draftee, he will have to stick on the active roster all season or put on waivers and then offered back to the Sox if he clears. The Phils could also pursue trades, though any acquiring team would face the same roster restrictions as the Phils themselves currently face. Song is currently on the military list and isn’t taking up a spot on the 40-man roster, with Gelb relaying that he will have to be added by Opening Day.
- Sticking with the Phillies, they will be navigating an open designated hitter slot until Bryce Harper returns from Tommy John surgery. The most recent estimate on that timeline has Harper returning around the All-Star break in July, giving the club a span of over three months to navigate. It seems the plan is to not have any single player entrenched in the spot and spread those opportunities around. “At this point, I think it’s a rotation,” manager Rob Thomson tells Gelb. “Getting people off their feet. Giving them a half day, so to speak.” In order to shuffle different players through there, positional versatility will be key. It was previously reported that infielder Edmundo Sosa will be getting some work in center field in order to increase his chances of getting playing time. Thomson also highlighted Josh Harrison as someone who could also see extensive action, given his ability to play all multiple positions. He’s played every position except catcher in his career, though he’s spent more time at second and third base than anywhere else. Thomson also mentioned the bat of Darick Hall, who hit nine home runs in his first 42 major league games last year. He’s been almost exclusively a first baseman in his professional career but the club is considering getting him some outfield work to help his bat into the lineup. “If he swings the bat the way he did last year,” Thomson said, “it’s going to be tough to keep him off the club.”
NYMetsFanatic
And if Scherzer opts out, that’s fine. No hard feelings at all. Just like in deGrom’s case, he’ll be dutifully replaced.
rct
I think even if he pitches like he typically does, that’s a lot of money to leave on the table. Maybe they’d negotiate and add a year. If he pitches poorly or is injured for much of the year, he’s a lock to opt in.
padam
@rct – I though the same. I think he’s want to add another two years guaranteed at the same price if he can. If not, I see the Mets tossing dollars at Ohtani and Manny. Those two would boost the offense tremendously while addressing the replacement at pitcher. Manny is money they would’ve spent on Correa.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Blah, blah, blah, Soroka is my one concern, He could make a difference…
rct
@Curly: What? No idea what you’re going on about.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Soroka is a potential ace & you have no idea what I’m going on about? Does a TR badge give you license for nonsense?
wifflemeister
I predict that Soroka will emerge from all of these setbacks to be an elite pitcher.. The guy was too good for this to keep him down.
VonPurpleHayes
There’s no way he’s opting out. And quite honestly, the likelihood of Scherzer being great for the next two seasons is pretty low. Mets got one great season and a terrible playoff performance out of him so far. Hoping year two has a better ending, but no one wins the race against father time. There’s a career-ending ticking timebomb around the corner, but I think he can pulloff another magical season first.
User 401527550
You don’t really hope that Scherzer has a better ending this year. You would love for him to get lit up by the Phillies in the playoffs to eliminate the Mets.
VonPurpleHayes
Of course, but what I mean is, I don’t want to see him just get old overnight and fall apart. I’ve seen it often with 35+ year-old pitchers. It’s sad when they hit that wall, and I’m not ready to see Scherzer do that. Luckily, he looks pretty good still, but I just don’t see him maintaining that for 2 years at his age.
njbirdsfan
One start qualifies as postseason bum now?
Why not start engraving Trent Grisham’s HOF plaque in that case?
VonPurpleHayes
I never called him a postseason bum. I said he had a horrific postseason last year. Which is 100% true.
rct
@Von: Not only did he have a terrible start against the Padres, his last start of the year against the Braves (which, if he’d pitched great, could have won them the division and saved them from playing against the Padres) was awful as well. Makes you wonder if a younger Scherzer would have still had enough gas in the tank to pitch better.
Or it’s a fluke-y two starts. But considering his age, the question must be asked.
Rsox
With Verlander on the roster its unlikely Scherzer opts out. He’s seen Cohen go all with Verlander, Senga, and the almost Correa signing. If they had let deGrom go and replaced him Dylan Bundy or Chris Archer Scherzer would be first one out the door next winter
Dorothy_Mantooth
If Scherzer has an effective season, I could see him opt out and the Mets re-signing him for 2/$70M. That would give him an extra $26M+ guaranteed and help lower the CBT burden on the Mets as well. There’s no way he opts out and finds another multi-year deal at $43M/yr like he has now.
VonPurpleHayes
I just cannot see a 40 year old opting out of a guaranteed deal even if it only has 1 year left. He’s an injury away from retirement. He needs that guaranteed money.
rct
@Von: I don’t think he would just opt out. If he’s pitching well, I think he will get together with the FO and work out a new deal that adds a year.
VonPurpleHayes
@rct That makes sense to me.
JoeBrady
I just cannot see a 40 year old opting out
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He’s not opting out unless he has a good season, and is relatively assured of getting a better contract. Once he opts out, the downside is just about -0-.
Sunday Lasagna
@Von, Scherzer is getting $15M per year from the Nationals through 2028 in addition to whatever the Mets pay him. He is not in need of money
VonPurpleHayes
Of course he’s not in need of money, but he’s not going to mess with his guaranteed contract.
stymeedone
He made enough money last year to last multiple lifetimes. WTF are you talking about?!
VonPurpleHayes
Exactly. And he gets that for another 2 years. He’s not opting out of anything.
Sourhaze
Where in the world is DeGrom?
Has no one noticed he ain’t pitching and is being held back?
No coverage…we know if he was on the mets it would be all over and they’d be lolmets for signing him
Max isn’t leaving all that money there. What else could someone give him?
VonPurpleHayes
What are you talking about? He’s been covered pretty regularly. Pitchers and catchers just reported. deGrom was held back out of precaution and cold weather.
gbs42
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/02/al-west-notes-maldonado…
There was this.
raisinsss
Didn’t read it.
Doesn’t count.
Still haven’t read it.
WHERE IS THE DEGROM NEWS WHY NO COVERge ?!
Sourhaze
And soroka Jesus christ, that guy is so unlucky and injury prone I wouldn’t count on him if I was the braves but they’re still stacked
Saint Nick
Soroka seems like a nice kid but my God, just retire already.
StudWinfield
Why would he retire if he’s only 25 and still has 1 more arbitration year at $2.8 mill.?
RyanD44
The dude is made of glass. He’s torn both achillies, can’t imagine what injuries he’ll run into when he actually pitches enough to put his arm at risk of injury!
SDBraves
He tore one of his Achilles. He just did it twice
RunDMC
And yet, his arm is fine. Eyes on the prize.
Love so many people giving up for him. RUDY wouldn’t exist today.
JoeBrady
It’s pretty much an insane idea. If someone wants to pay me $2.8M to pitch, I’d need to see my arm go flying off before I said no.
RunDMC
This may make you re-think that idea: youtube.com/watch?v=RbFoz_g52CE
I still remember watching that and hearing the sound of it happening. Yeesh. You can have your $2.8M. I’m out. I want out. I want to be able to pick-up my kid.
JoeBrady
Is he not able to pick up his kids? He pitched five more years, so I assume his arm must function okay. But yeah, if I had a chance at a pro career, and knew I’d fracture my elbow, I wouldn’t think about it for two seconds.
StudWinfield
But Winkler recovered from that. Sure he’ll probably have “bum” elbow issues as he gets older but he’s not disabled.
JoeBrady
I have a bad elbow too, and did it without becoming wealthy.
RunDMC
Retiring on a hamstring strain…Canadians, unlike Americans, are not known for overreacting, so I appreciate he’s not making a lifetime decision based on a pothole in the road. Gimme a break.
RyanD44
I hope some doctor or physical therapist lost their job when he re-tore his achillies before ever competing again. That’s pretty bad.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
@saint nick
That’s an absolute insane idea, he is making guaranteed money, he is still in his mid 20s and has shown the ability to be an above average major league pitcher. Why should the man give up the dream? People have gone through worse and made it back. If I was his age and as good at pitching as he is (I laugh at the preposterous idea of me a 6’1 220lb guy on the wrong side of 30 going out there and throwing 84 mph “fastballs” to major league caliber hitting.) I would try everything thing in the world to make it back before giving up!
Saint Nick
Again he seems like a great kid and I have no doubt that he has a future as a color commentator for the game. He was awesome in the booth. He just hasn’t pitched in so long and it’s just one injury after another. When he faced minor leaguers last season he did not look good at all. I get why HE hasn’t retired…making millions a year to basically rehab over and over again seems nice but as a Braves fan I feel like they aren’t getting anything on their end of the bargain. I’m sure once he’s a FA he will go to the Dodgers and be a perennial all-star.
raisinsss
I dunno. You could be right.
This sore hamstring might be that killer blow that ends his career.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
@raisins
That sarcasm made me chuckle. And saint it’s been two years, like I said people have came back from longer. Also, his arm is fine
angt222
Yeah because Scherzer would be walking away from a $43.3M payday at the age of 39. That’s why he’s not seeing himself opt out.
Mikenmn
Scherzer is just reserving his options, as he should be. Opt-outs are funky….they can benefit the team as well. Maybe the Mets don’t actually want to pay Max for more than one year… That’s a big salary (plus CBT penalties) to be out from under.
But this is an area that seems to me might be addressed in the next CBA. It creates a lot of uncertainty on a year to year basis.
JoeBrady
Again, much ado about nothing. I’m getting close to retirement age, but I am not committing to anything until I have to. Maybe Scherzer washes out, declines his option, and sails off into retirement. Or maybe he makes 30 starts, finishes 2nd in the CY voting, and is looking at a $110M/3.
Poolhalljunkies
Really hope noah song comes back to red sox…be shocked if he makes this phillies team after not playing since 2019..great talent though
Bruin1012
What an epic fail by Bloom. Loses Noah Song when all he has to do is place him on the military reserve list and start his clock. DD outplays Bloom.
Poolhalljunkies
Per this article song was discharged and must now be carried on the phillies active rostor THIS year…bloom might be genius
Bruin1012
Let me spell it out for you Pool all Bloom had to do prior to the rule 5 was add Song to the 40 man and then immediately place him on the military list. He technically has been added to the 40 man thus not eligible to be drafted in the rule 5 but doesn’t count against the 40 man because of being on the military list. The only drawback is Song begins accruing service time as soon as he is added to the military list. So in this example let’s say he takes two years in the minors to get to the bigs he would only have 4 years of control instead of the usual 6. I’m sure Bloom new he could protect him from the rule 5 but didn’t think anyone would take him and didn’t want to start his clock. He was wrong.
JoeBrady
Let me spell it out for you Pool all Bloom had to do prior to the rule 5 was add Song to the 40 man and then immediately place him on the military list.
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As per the article:
“with Gelb relaying that he will have to be added by Opening Day.”
It feels like you are just making this up as you go along.
Poolhalljunkies
If hes not in the military…cant hide him on a military list
Dorothy_Mantooth
I’d say there’s less than a 10% chance that Song stays on the major league roster all season. I see him coming back to Boston fairly soon. I really think Dombrowski selected him as a middle finger to Boston for letting him go.
Song is a talented player but he has virtually no minor league experience and hasn’t pitched competitively in over 2 years while in the Navy. If he makes the Philly team and stays on the roster all year he’s an absolute stud.
Bruin1012
I agree Dorothy that he probably won’t stay on the Phillies roster all year but he has to clear waivers and there is no way he clears he will be snatched up by a bottom dweller for sure no way he clears he’s a good as gone if he has to clear waivers like the article says.
kingken67
But any club claiming him off waivers has the same rule 5 restrictions of having to carry him on their active roster. Even a cellar dwelling team isn’t likely to tie up one of 26 roster spots for a player who can’t really contribute anything. Not to mention doing that essentially costs Song yet another year of potential development making it even less likely he ever amounts to anything.
Bruin1012
Why not your telling me a team that has nothing to play for that knows they aren’t going to to the postseason and could add a potential mid rotation arm and all they have to do is carry him on the 26 man in a meaningless season? Of course they will normally rule 5 guys are fringy by nature and not worth sacrificing a 26 man spot so normally they go back. Song is completely different he has way more upside, or at least he did before going into the military. I guarantee you there is no way he gets through waivers if he shows even the slightest likelihood of still potentially being that mid rotation or better arm.
I think DD felt betrayed by Boston ownership and is sticking it to there new boy. He knows even if they don’t keep him he won’t pass through waivers by claiming him he ended any chance of Boston getting him back.
roiste
Song has not thrown any professional innings since 2019. Sure, there’s no harm for a cellar dwelling team to roster him, but the chances he becomes a mid rotation starter like you say are almost none if he does that. Pitchers need experience to develop, and Song isn’t gonna do that if he’s just sitting on the bench or getting absolutely demolished by big league hitters for a whole season.
Your theory is melodramatic nonsense. DD picked Song in the hope he could hide him on the military list through the Rule 5 year. That didn’t happen, and now Song will most likely come back to Boston because teams aren’t wasting a roster spot just to destroy some guys future. Song getting released was great new for Boston
cpdpoet
Dombrowski knows what he’s doing. Did some reading up on Song when the Phils snaked him in Rule 5… His upside is that of a solid 3, mid 90’s good control or a closer type. Was looked at as a late 1st rounder.
It will be interesting for a team with WS aspirations, what the Phillies have planned for him.
My early guess is that he flips him back to the Sox for another player in their system he has good knowledge of…
To keep him on the roster would be seriously ballsy.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Boston won’t need to offer another player to get Song back. The Phils need to keep him on the major league roster all season or will have to offer him back to Boston for a small fee ($25K or $50k), after which Boston can assign him to the minor leagues without taking up a 40-man roster spot.. The chances of another team trading for Song are slim to none since they would need to carry him all season long as well. Song clearly needs another 2 seasons in the minors before he’ll be ready for big leagues, especially after such a long layoff. If he somehow makes the team out of spring training, that would be quite the accomplishment itself, but for him to last in Philly all season seems highly unlikely at best.
Bruin1012
They do if they don’t want him to go through waivers. This the key if he has to clear waivers like the article said then no way he clears. A team like Washington will claim and just keep him on the 26 man and throw him in the bullpen. He’s as good as gone Bloom screwed up especially when all he has to do to protect him from the rule 5 draft was to place him on the military reserve list. Bloom didn’t think anyone would take him after being away so long but the fact is he could of avoided this by placing him on military reserve list at the very least it’s a failure in judgement.
Poolhalljunkies
That doesnt make sense. How do you know its a fact? I dont believe the military list was an option to protect him from the rule 5 or they would have.
all in the suit that you wear
The Nats are already trying to carry Rule 5 pick Thad Ward on the 26 man roster this year. It will be interesting to see what happens with Song. Ken has a good point that Song sitting in a bullpen all year and pitching in low leverage situations does not seem good for his development.
JoeBrady
Bruin10123 hours ago
They do if they don’t want him to go through waivers. the fact is he could of avoided this by placing him on military reserve list at the very least it’s a failure in judgement.
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You used the word “fact”, but are either of these really facts?
I don’t think he goes thru waivers. If the Phillies cut him, which I assume they will, they have to offer him back to the RS.
IRT to the military reserve list, as at least one other person has pointed out, he isn’t in the military.
JoeBrady
I dont believe the military list was an option
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I like to research these things for my own education. But it seems so far-fetched to think you could use the military list for someone not in the military, it just doesn’t seem worth the effort.
JoeBrady
The Nats are already trying to carry Rule 5 pick Thad Ward on the 26 man roster this year. It will be interesting to see what happens with Song.
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I think there is a significant difference. Ward might be able to pitch, and even if he doesn’t do well, he might still be worth it to carry him for 2024. Abd if he is still hurt, they can stash him on the IL.
But Song doesn’t seem remotely close. He has an arm, but didn’t play in a tough conference, and hasn’t throw since 2019. If we drafted him today, he would take 2-3 years to work his way thru the system.
all in the suit that you wear
Joe: Agreed there is a significant difference between Ward and Song. I was trying to say it seems doubtful a team would attempt to carry two Rule 5 picks in their bullpen, but I guess it is possible.
JoeBrady
This falls under the category of “anything could happen”. When you pick up a Whitlock type, you have a chance of a reasonable 6th inning guy. He had > 200 minor league innings, and pitched a year in AA.
For all practical purposes, this is like drafting a guy out of college, and immediately starting him in the pros.
Bruin1012
Joe Brady what are you talking about Song absolutely was on active duty in the military so whoever pointed out he wasn’t in the military prior to the rule 5 draft is wrong. He was in the military, in fact, DD placed him on military list so he didn’t have to add him to the 40 man. He was just released from active duty and placed in the reserves which is why he will be in camp tomorrow.
JoeBrady
He still needs to be added to the 40-man roster, and needs to be on the roster the entire season.
Do you really think that the Phillies are going to use one of their 8 BP spots on a guy almost guaranteed to add no value? He’ll get lit up like a firecracker.
Bruin1012
Joe my point is and it still is that he could of been protected. The Red Sox were the only team that doesn’t have to carry him on their 26 man. I think it’s unlikely that the Phillies can carry him since they are trying to win now. I also think it’s highly unlikely that he makes it through waivers some team that has nothing to lose will carry him for his potential upside. He isn’t coming back to Boston. The only part I’m wondering about is if Boston would have to put him on the 40 man now or if they could wait until next years rule 5. It’s a unique situation one in which I’m not convinced Bloom just didn’t misinterpret the rule.
JoeBrady
I also think it’s highly unlikely that he makes it through waivers some team that has nothing to lose will carry him for his potential upside. He isn’t coming back to Boston. The only part I’m wondering about is if Boston would have to put him on the 40 man now or if they could wait until next years rule 5.
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I don’t think waiving him is an option. They either trade him or offer him back the the RS. But I also can’t see a trade either. As I mentioned with Ward, he’s probably a year away. A bad team can let him learn on the job, and if he has a 4.90 ERA, you can write that off as the cost of development.
But Song, imho, isn’t particularly close. That means two things. The first is that he would have to stay in someone’s BP without making a contribution for at least two years, with no certainty at the end.
The second, and more important issue, is that I can’t see him developing in the pros. Think about it from a draft prospect. How many SPs go from college straight to the pros? I don’t think that ever worked, and I think David Clyde is the only one they ever tried.
With a guy with 17 innings, 3+ years ago, and not even a major college division? I think the only possible way for him to develop would be to spend 2+ years in the minors, and even then, nothing is near certain.
Kewldood69
You have the overpaid donky Scherzers and Verlanders in MLB, and then studs like Noah Song. Then again, he’s a Southern California boy… We grow them good out here.
raisinsss
The world is worse for having you in it.
Kewldood69
Keep countrying it up, country boy
Neon Cop
The Mets will always be a joke, no matter who they sign. Basically the LA Clippers of baseball.
Big whiffa
Does that mean they’ll never win it ? Define joke ? Kinda hard to not take them serious at this point
Bill M
When a baseball team wins 101 games in a season, calling them a joke is pretty much meaningless
Neon Cop
Do they hang banners for 101 wins? Maybe they’ll choke the division earlier this year…
VonPurpleHayes
So by that logic everyone but the Astros are a joke? Winning the WS takes a lot of skill and a lot of luck. It’s the highest metric of success, but it shouldn’t be the only metric. Mets won 101 games last season and were a top 5 team in baseball despite the poor showing in the playoffs.
wifflemeister
Soroka is more likely to win the Cy Young this year that Either Scherzer Or DeGrom.
You read it here first.
VonPurpleHayes
The fact that I’m equally concerned about Soroka’s health as I am the health of two 39+ year-olds tells you a lot about Soroka. No one denies his talent. He just needs to stay healthy.
BenBenBen
I bet the fact that there’s a military list is something that hasn’t changed in baseball since before WW2.
JackStrawb
145 ip last year, and still faded at the finish line. I’m not too worried about him opting out.
He was terrific through mid-September, though. That’s something. But it’s probably not enough on a team chock full of old starters with very limited durability
Verlander—pitched in a 6 man rotation most of the year, down to 175 ip, he’ll be 40.
Max—had the least durable season, 145 ip since, well, ever–and he keeps getting older. 38.
Senga—who knows, really. Averaged 130 ip 2020-22. Sunday pitcher. 30.
Quintana—6 and 10 the last three seasons–COMBINED. 34 yo, probably 140 ip in 2023.
Carrasco—ERA over 5 two of the last four years. 2022 was the first time he pitched more than 80 innings since 2018. 2018. Rates to pitch 100 very mediocre innings in 2023. He’ll be 36.
I hope Peterson and Megill get it together, or Lucchesi from 2019 shows up. Mets are going to need those guys.