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I agree with him on the Reds at the end of 2021 by the way.
Fans can complain all they want about the Reds but they are not the ones managing their books.
To me, it’s better to understand your resources and situation, start your rebuild early vs a year too late. The Reds didn’t have the money to re-sign Castellanos and pay Castillo and Gray and so on.
They have one of the top farm systems in the game right now, they have two pitchers under team control for a while that are projected to be TOR starters, they have a pretty clear financial book ahead of them once Votto retires and they have a handful of guys who should see the bigs either this year or next.
I give credit to the Reds management for being proactive and honest about their long term outlook. They will do what they did for their last rebuild and spend when the time is right and hopefully for the Reds fans, nothing like Covid will come in and ruin their revenue stream. As a Cub fan however, I hope I’m wrong
well said, drasco-county. you are correct
I can’t argue with most of that except the part where they have an estimated 80 million payroll this season when they have spent 140 a couple years ago. So while they can’t get a guy like Judge at 40 mil a year like most small markets, they can fill several holes at 8-10 per with that kind of cash.
Right but again, you don’t know how much of a loss the Reds took on the 2020 and 2021 seasons. They could be attempting to get back into the black.
Also, as perspective, you are purposing a 60 million dollar increase. The Reds average ticket price is $25… let’s just say an individual spends an additional $50 dollars at the stadium. The Reds would have to have a fan increase of nearly 800,000 people to offset that 60 million.. actually, probably closer to an additional million fans given the added operational costs.
Do you think adding 6 marginally better players, making the team marginally better would increase attendance by a million fans?
Urshela wasn’t projected to make 11 million in arbitration, he was projected to make 9.2 million. Then within days they turned around and signed the far lesser Kyle Farmer for 5.75 million. They cut 3.4 million dollars, and lost 2+ WAR in the process. There’s not much justifying that one
WAR? What’s it good for? Absolutely nothing!
Been wanting to say that for a while to the stats boys. Not everything is about stats.
What makes no sense is them getting Farmer when they went out later and signed Correa for a fortune.
A “WAR” song reference, how original.
A WAR stat reference, how original.
A WAR stat reference is relevant to baseball.
Reds, How to say you don’t understand baseball or math in one post. Brava
If one art is all you go by then it is you who does not understand baseball. But stats boys don’t get that and never will.
Who in this discussion has said they only use one stat? It is just one of many evaluation tools, and there’s no reason to throw a useful tool out of your toolbox. If you disagree that it’s useful, that certainly your prerogative, though there is plenty of evidence that it is useful.
“Stat boys” run baseball and have for a few decades. Either get with the program or get left behind “get off my lawn” man.
Anyone who knows baseball knows stats are just part of the equation. Guess you haven’t learned that. Even so called analytics guys get that.
Who in this discussion said stats are the only part of the equation? And why do you keep trying to put words in other people’s mouths?
WAR is helpful, one of many stats that – along with scouting, training (physical and mental), experience, sleep, nutrition, and other factors – can help players and front offices be successful.
For a team that wants to compete, it’s okay to have both Farmer and Correa. Farmer isn’t moving the needle for any team. He had a 90 OPS+ last year, the best of his career yet, but he can only hit LHP. He has a career .650 OPS vs RHP against a .837 OPS vs LHP. He plays an okay SS/2B/3B and has played a handful of games at 1B as well. Right now, the Twins have Jose Miranda listed atop the depth chart at both 1B and 3B, and while they still have Royce Lewis and Nick Gordon, Farmer can play wherever he’s asked on the infield to a semi-respectable degree. He can also help off-set some of Gordon’s struggles against LHP as he had a .793 OPS vs RHP but a .542 OPS vs southpaws.
Whether you believe in WAR or not is irrelevant.
How about going from .285/.333/.429 with plus defense to
.255/.315/.386 with negative defensive rating?
Urshela has seemed to get passed around like hot-potato over the last few seasons. He might not be the best player in the league or at his position, but he’s a solid everyday regular who averages 2.5-3.0 WAR a season. He’s not the guy you build a line-up around, but he reinforces one. Wonder where he’ll play on the Angels. Seems too good to just slot into a part-time 1B/3B role, granted Anthony Rendon’s health is questionable at best, and who knows what Jared Walsh will show up next year. Maybe him and Drury end up on the corners at some point next season.
Lars Nootbar has the best hockey name in Baseball
Haha! Michael Bunting has the best baseball name in hockey then I think
MLB is not a level playing field – and putting that on owners of small market teams to pit their fans against them is pure demagoguery.
Bill Belichick said it’s better to move on too early than too late on players that were peaking? Wow! Branch Rickey first said the same thing in MLB over 100 years ago, and did that all through his FO career.
The Reds made the playoffs then broke up their team? How about doing some research and finding out how much they would have had to pay the players they moved, and how those players produced in 2022. They moved a bunch of junk too early and not too late. By your own criteria they should have been commended.
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One other thing. Professional sports fans in small markets know that if their MLB team has a lot of stars, most will be gone. The field is not level. Revenues aren’t remotely shared. Kansas City got to the AFC Championship game the last 5 years, and to the Super Bowl in 3 of them. They can afford to pay their stars. Cincinnati has gotten to the AFC Championship game the past 2 years, and the Super Bowl one of them. Their players aren’t leaving en masse. Milwaukee’s NBA team has stuck together for years, went to The Finals numerous times and won a championship. The stars are still there. Every sports fan in Milwaukee knows the Brewers could never do that.
MLB will never have a level playing field. That’s fine. But no reason to dump on the owners of small market teams…..where fans are skeptical and tend to show up only at the end of the season if they’re winning and then the playoffs if the team makes them. But they don’t go out and buy a lot of season tickets for the next year because they know some stars will be leaving in the winter and more the year after. Small market teams in the NFL and NBA don’t have this problem. Has nothing at all to do with the owners.
In the chat someone asked about baseball names…..always laughed at the bulging arms coming out of the sleeves of…..Rip Ripulski…haha
@Samuel. Couldn’t put it better.