Manny Machado set the Padres a deadline of February 16 to offer him an extension that would’ve meant he avoided free agency at the end of the 2023 season, according to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune. According to Acee, the Padres made just one offer to Machado two days prior to his deadline, offering to tack on an extra five-years and $105MM to his current deal. That would’ve taken their total commitment to Machado to 15-years, $405MM. Machado is planning to opt out of his contract at the end of the season, and combining the remaining value of Machado’s contract (five-years, $150MM from 2024-28) with this new offer would’ve equated to a ten-year, $255MM deal.
According to Acee’s report, Machado confirmed in a brief interview that in early December he set the Padres a deadline of February 16 because “I just wanted to focus on baseball. So once the season started, I didn’t want to really continue talking about contracts or the business side of things. I just want to focus on my team and the guys in here and what our goal is — to win a championship. So (Thursday) was our deadline, and after that it was just focus on baseball, going out there and winning.” Machado’s interview also confirmed that he received just the one offer from San Diego, but did not confirm the terms reported.
Machado’s current ten-year, $300MM deal runs through the 2028 season, but contains a player opt out at the end of 2023. Machado confirmed just yesterday his intentions to exercise that clause and opt out of the remaining five-years, $150MM on his deal. That should come as no surprise, as Machado has been one of the game’s best players in recent seasons and at 30 is both young enough and good enough to earn a long term deal far surpassing what was remaining on his current contract.
While his 2023 season will naturally play a significant part in Machado’s market next winter, there certainly seems a strong case for him to pick up a bigger deal than the ten-year, $255MM deal the Padres have effectively offered him here. Machado’s been worth 11.7 fWAR over the past two seasons and has four career 6+ fWAR seasons. Compare that to his new team mate Xander Bogaerts, who inked an 11-year, $280MM deal with San Diego this winter. Bogaerts is a fine player, but he’s been worth 10.5 fWAR over the past two seasons and 2022 was his lone 6+ fWAR season. Of course, fWAR is not the determining factor in contract negotiations, but it serves as a relevant data point to consider why Machado might see himself as worth more on the open market than ten-years, $255MM.
Machado’s resume to date is nothing short of stellar. An MVP runner up in 2022, Machado has six All Star appearances, five top-five MVP finishes, two Gold Gloves and a Silver Slugger to his name thus far. He’s a threat on both sides of the ball, as evidenced by his career 124 wRC+ and 97 Defensive Runs Saved at third base.
With Machado’s deadline now passed, it appears likelier than ever that he’ll hit the open market at the end of the season. As the likely top free agent not named Shohei Ohtani next winter, Machado seems a good chance to become the first ever player to sign multiple $300MM contracts in his career.
BStrowman
Seems fair to me.
Anyone giving a 31 year old Machado more than that is going to be eating awful money.
Dogbone
I totally agree. The money Machado has remaining on the contract is very fair for the next 5 years. Pads are smart for not giving in to his over inflated opinion, of what he ‘might’ deliver in 6-10 years from now.
Let some other team gamble on that.
johndietz
Padres offered Turner a big contract and his skill set usually diminishes with age. Manny will age into a power hitting first baseman. No reason for him NOT to get a new 10/300+ contract with no opt outs
JackStrawb
Machado does have some chance of giving the Padres 25 wins b/t 2024-2028 (25%?) given he’s a likely HOFer showing no signs of slowing down, but he might also quickly decline as so many do in their 30s. It’s not difficult to see Machado worth 12 wins from 2024-2028, close to a 5-4-3-2-2-1 decline starting from the 2023 season.
Paying Machado an additional 21m a year for his age 36-40 seasons is indeed a lot when there’s a pretty good chance (30%) his age 31-35 seasons are a real disappointment at the price of 5/160m. Who for example would sign up today for Machado’s age 36-40 seasons for $21m each, or 105m total? anyone? Doubtful.
Ha-Seong Kim
So much for all that “goodwill” he has built. Let Manny walk and be a mistake contract for another ballclub. 15 for 405mm is his worth. Extend Kim and Soto.
Buuba ho tep
You are correct…enough is enough…how much money do you need
zimerust
well, they just paid xander about 300M and he is a much worse player than Machado.
JackStrawb
Nonsense. Over the last 3-4 years they’re extremely similar, particularly when you consider that Bogaerts plays the more valuable position and that Bogaerts never had the equivalent of Machado’s lousy 2019 season.
Ha-Seong Kim
I forgot Cronenworth too. Due to his will-be older age entering FA, give him a 100-150mm to make him a Padre for life. I doubt he turns that down.
The 2022 club may have been mostly Manny, but Tatis outshined him every year when healthy. Good riddance, Manny!
LFGSD619
I see Crone being traded after 2024 when he has 1 year of arb left.
Ha-Seong Kim
Why would the Padres do that?
LFGSD619
Because he’ll already be 30 (31 in January) and only one year out from FA
Steve Cohen Owns You
They won’t.
Ha-Seong Kim
Yup, they won’t. If manny leaves, we will resign Cronenworth, IMO.
rizdakc99
AJ Preller loves veterans on the wrong side of 30.
misterb71
Tatis is immensely talented but hasn’t been able to stay healthy for an entire season with the lone exception being 2020 when everybody was limited to 60 games.
wallabeechamp
Even in ‘20 Tatis was the CLEAR MVP front runner, but he hit a wall somewhere around the 40/45 game mark and didn’t even finish with the most MVP votes on his own team. That honor went to the guy Pobre fans are getting ready to hate.
Francys01
I guess Machado is leaving the Padres after this season and he could sign with the Giants. They have the money to sign anyone that they want. But, the Mets could also try to sign him. Interesting.
davidrocholl
Both those teams will have medical issues with his knee!! Just sayin!!
JackStrawb
Francys01 Remarkable, how the Mets have had years to teach just one of SS/3B Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio to play 3B and haven’t been able to pull it off. Either their scouts don’t understand athleticism, or their minor league staff can’t teach talented young players to play 3B with error rates that pro rate to less than 35 over a full season.
Bizarre, but oh so Mets.
misterb71
The offer is fair for what Machado will likely deliver but probably won’t touch what he ends up signing for on the open market. Teams are increasingly throwing around stupid money and I can easily see Machado signing for 8-10 years for at least $275 million.
avenger65
Looking at what other players have gotten in less demanding positions (Judge comes to mind), I can’t blame Machado for wanting to be paid along those lines especially since he plays perhaps the most demanding positions (along with catcher) in baseball. I know he wants a contract worth more than what he’s getting but in his line of work, that’s the going rate.
JackStrawb
@avenger65 In fact RF and 3B are very, very similar on the defensive spectrum, and Judge can also play a slightly above average CF, which would be the equivalent of Machado playing SS at the same level or slightly better, given how bankrupt the position of CF is currently.
Factor in Machado’s never approached Judge’s peak, and we can’t use Judge as any kind of comp.
JackStrawb
10/275m when the Padres offered 10/265m? Daring!
CaptainJudge99
When a signed player is giving you a timeframe to work out an extension, it’s probably in your best interests to try to trade him. Trading Machado back to Baltimore would be pretty cool, and their loaded with prospects also.
Simm
Mannys offer wasn’t all that far off of what he should get. Xander 11/280, Turner 11/300 (year younger), manny was going to get 11/285 starting this year. Turner and Xanders last 5 years are closer to a comp for manny then judge who is coming off of one of the greatest seasons of all time. If judge put up just the numbers manny did last year these two would be looking at similar deals.
Now if manny has a season the is the same as judges last year then okay he will get near judge money. The chances of that are very small. Actually a better chance mannys numbers go down this season vs his last season considering it was basically his best full season year yet.
LFGSD619
The problem with that is that the Padres are actually trying to win a championship now.
JackStrawb
Agreed, but the Padres have no lack of 3Bmen, and they can use the money saved to load up at the deadline. Tough sell to their fans, but it’s not like they’re creating a hole at 3B.
Rsox
He will easily double that in free agency and both he and the team know that. Sounds like a “hey, we tried” move
towinagain
Hate to say it. Bogarts was an insurance policy. Bogarts stays at ss and Tatis to 3rd. Soto gets traded and the Padres make a run at Otani, while Manny walks. Then they pursue pitching and players like a Renfro type in the OF. I want Manny and Soto here but realistically it may be a long shot. Pads are still formidable with Tatis and Bogarts and pitching.
lucas0622
Why would they trade Soto already after depleting their farm for him?
Steve Cohen Owns You
They won’t.
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
Because he has a “TR” badge so what he says must be right!
DrDan75
Cough up thirty bucks a year and you can be right too.
Steve Cohen Owns You
Some of us prefer to wait until this website catches up with the 21st century.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Machado to Dodgers, Soto stays put. Great for new rivalry!
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
30 bucks eh? Maybe I will Dirty Dan. Maybe I will
SportsFan0000
Because the Padres went “all in” to win a Championship with Soto.
Soto’s production after the trade went into the toilet.
In the 2nd half, Soto did not hit and/or play like a 300MM man or 400M man.
The Padres already dumped Josh Bell (also obtained in the Soto deal)
because his production tanked after the Soto deal also.
Soto’s agent’s MO is to go to a “bidding war” on the open market with his high end clients.
The “mystery bidder” always surfaces and is used to get the home team to bid against themselves etc..
The Padres cannot win a bidding war with the Dodgers, Yankees etc…
without “cutting corners” on other parts of their team and having to start utility guys like Trent Grisholm and Jurickson Proffar who are nothing more than part time bench players.
That lack of strategic thinking by the Padres brass may have cost them a World Series title last year (over pay for a handful of position players and then the bottom of your lineup drops off the cliff especially in the playoffs in a small to mid market budget MLB city. Ownership always has a budget, but they often do not disclose it to their fans/customers etc)…
avenger65
If Manny goes to the Dodgers, who will the fans boo when the Pads come to town?
avenger65
You’re right about Soto and Bell. If Soto doesn’t show the kind of talent he showed before the 2020 season, I would trade him for either a top major leaguer or two or for a bunch of top minor leaguers to help rebuild the farm system.
Deleted Userr
I’ll ask it again. Why would the Padres trade Soto after giving up ALL THAT, like ALL THAT, to acquire him? They can’t trade him unless they get back more than they gave up and that’s just not going to happen.
tstats
Tatis, Darvish should be booed if you look back at his playoff performance, I’m personally booing Trent Grisham, not a fan of the guy. Too flashy for a not good hitter
websoulsurfer
Soto had a 130 OPS+ after the trade. That is one heck of a great toilet. What he didn’t do is put up the 159 OPS+ he had before the trade. He was still great.
40% of “Soto’s agents” clients have signed extensions in the past 10 years.
The Padres have not been outbid in years. Players have chosen to play elsewhere for less, but the largest bid has been the one the Padres made.
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
Yea, because that worked so well the first time…
SLL
Dodgers don’t need him. Dodgers don’t want him. Dodger fans don’t want him.
SLL
If he doesn’t show that talent, what team wants to give up top players to get him? If he’s not worth keeping, why would he bring great return in a trade?
JackStrawb
If they can move him fast and not take a hit for his decline, they might want to think about it. Soto is a 5-6 win DH, nothing more.
roiste
They should keep Tatis at SS over Bogaerts. Bogey is not athletic enough to handle short through his 30s, and Tatis biggest defensive problem, throwing errors, would be an even bigger problem at 3B
stymeedone
SD already has a SS in Kim. Move XB to 3B, put Cronenworth back to 2B where his bat plays up, and look at adding Cron in the off season.
Deleted Userr
Why would they trade Soto after giving up ALL THAT to acquire him that’s the worst argument I’ve ever heard they won’t get back HALF of what they gave up to get him if they trade him now?
And don’t say “Because he’s going to walk for nothing after 2024.” He was always going to do that. If that was a problem they wouldn’t have traded for him in the first place.
Jean Matrac
The Padres got Soto because they offered ‘the’ best return for the Nat’s. Assuming teams will equal that may not be an accurate assessment. And every month he gets closer to free-agency his value goes down. Maybe only slightly, but it remains they probably won’t get back equal value to what they gave up.
The fact that they traded for him knowing he’s a FA in 2024, does not make it less of a problem. In fact, giving up what they did was a gamble, which may, or may not, pay off. But, no team is giving up what the Padres did if they were to trade him sometime in the future.
SportsFan0000
The Padres gave up way too much talent for Soto and Bell.
Both star players’ offensive production tanked after the trade.
The Nats really hosed the Padres and Preller in that deal.
The only thing that would make the Soto to the Padres trade worth it is if the Padres win the World Series in 2023.
Soto is not resigning in San Diego.
Soto and his agent are shooting for a 400-450M deal.
I have seen him play in the 2nd half and in the playoffs last year.
If the Nats would do it, then the Padres should undo that trade in a NY minute. SOTO BETTER STOP READING HIS PRESS RELEASES AND START PRODUCING IN 2023.
In the 2nd half last year, I watched Soto take a lot of fastballs right in his wheelhouse and try to work the count for walks with men on with his Padres team looking for clutch hits to win regular season and playoffs games to advance to the World Series.
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, SOTO CHOKED.
Soto and his agent (and many players, announcers and fans) ARE TOO CONCERNED WITH WAR AND ALL THE OTHER STATISCIAL NICETIES from their statistical analysis department.
I have an idea: how about focusing on winning big games especially in the playoffs?! Players/Agents are too focused on the next big contract and not on getting clutch hits to advance to the World Series and
WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP.
SOTO IS NOT WORTH 300M (400M is a joke for SOTO)
Based on Soto’s production in the 2nd half and playoffs last year,
SOTO IS THE MOST OVER RATED PLAYER THAT I HAVE SEEN IN A LONG TIME
Any owner who gives Soto 400M+ should have a family intervention
and be checked into an insane asylum.
Deleted Userr
@tad2b13 And trading Soto now only makes sense if they get back more than they gave up to get him.
Rick Pernell
Tatis is a doper whiner baby that is only focused on himself. A true cancer to any clubhouse.
Rsox
They can still make a run at Ohtani and keep Soto for at least the ’24 season
mrmackey
He’s going to double a 10 year, 255 million deal??
phenomenalajs
I think he means he’s going to repeat the remaining 5/$150M with another 5/$150M.
LordD99
The deal he’ll have to beat us 10/255. He will, but he won’t be doubling it.
deweybelongsinthehall
Owners will be pressing for a hard cap during the next CBA. They will make it high and with a higher than ever thought of floor to entice players The money big market teams currently give the smaller market clubs will be mandated to up the floor, which hopefully will satisfy the union. Others talk about all the money in the game but how much longer will fans continue to support teams that have no chance of consistently winning? I always thought the Yankees and Boston made it unfair for other clubs but the spending recently from the Mets and Padres is absurd. These are one owner clubs. Even the Yankees and Red Sox have to be run as a business because there is more than one partner.
poolerh
It would take a miracle to get 75% of the current owners to agree to a hard salary floor of any amount, much less a high one. Teams like Oakland, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Miami, Baltimore, Arizona, Cleveland and even Seattle would likely vote against that. , ,
BlueSkies_LA
I hate to break it to you but all ball clubs are run as businesses. You’re simply agonizing over the inequities built into baseball’s revenue structure and how it creates so many perennially noncompetitive teams. The owners could fix it, but they never will. Rather than dividing the game’s revenue more evenly and rewarding success, they prefer the status quo, which is to guarantee profitability to the noncompetitive teams and to reward them for failure. The system is absurd by design.
As for a hard cap, the players will never stand for it, no matter what token offsets MLB offers them.
davidrocholl
After this season, Manny Machado will leave 5/160M on the table and sign for 8/300M.
websoulsurfer
The only way the owners get a hard cap is if they:
#1 – open the books 100%
#2 – share all revenue including local TV deals 100% with other teams
#3 – guarantee the players 50% of revenue
Since none of those will happen, there will be no hard cap. In fact, with rapidly growing revenue in MLB, the 1st tire CBT threshold will go up tremendously. From $244 million in the final year of this CBA to the $270-273 million range for the 1st season of the new CBA in 2027. Maybe higher.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
20 years 510, yes
Rsox
He’ll out do the 5 year $105 million extension easy. And don’t rule out the possibility of Cohen offering $400 million if Machado out does his offense from last season
amk1920
Yeah, but on top of his current deal that’s 265 million.
stymeedone
@RSox
It sounds like a “You’re not worth more” move.
Rsox
The “we tried” is for the fans when he signs with someone else. The reality is they still would have paid Xander Bogaerts more at the end of the new deal and that has to be insulting to Machado
BuddyBoy
No, he won’t. He currently has 5/$150M left after this season. I can’t see him getting 10/$510M which is what double would be. I think he could get 8/$280M maybe which is a bit more. I think the Padres are right to not overpay for his late 30’s and early 40’s years.
Henry Silvestre
Yall remember Musgrove 8/$88 mil offer after the lockout? Eventually it became 5/$100… 10/$255 is close to what Xander got 11/$288… a good starting offer from AJP.. expect one more offer in the 10/320 to 12/345 range in the next week or so… see where that ends up
websoulsurfer
Double 10/255? No. Machado is not getting $510 million.
towinagain
As a Padres fan, so what? Love Manny hope he stays a Padre but this is about 2023
CaptainJudge99
I really hope he stays on the Padres also. I think he comes to play for the Mets or the Yankees. If it’s up to him it will likely be the Yankees, thinking the Mets will outbid them though.
Ha-Seong Kim
@Captain Judge and I think peraza Dominguez and volpe will be traded to the padres for Reiss knehr now that you guys need SP
LordD99
That’s the right attitude. If he leaves (he can still sign a new deal after 2023), the Padres will have gotten five prime years from Machado, helping establishing them as a winning team with a new reputation and a potential landing spot for other free agents.
Deleted Userr
The Manny contract doesn’t establish them as anything. Offering free agents top dollar does.
deweybelongsinthehall
Exactly. I hate Machado because he’s done some dirty things on the field but he is a talent. As much as they overpaid for Hosmer, in my view it was then needed to attract others.
Deleted Userr
@dewey No it was not!!!!!!!!!!!! Hosmer didn’t attract anyone to the Padres. Manny signed because the Padres were the only team that met his and his agent’s $300m guarantee demands.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
@Dewey, I agree with your assessment of Machado, talented but not on my top 10 personality list. Let him sign somewhere else & let his new team choke on his overstuffed contract. SD got what they needed from him.
CarverAndrews
Yup – fair offer. Also fair that in the current conditions he knows that he can get more if he is healthy and has a solid year. Some guys want every penny…don’t blame them. Can’t blame the Friars for offering up a late career value that is a bit more sane either.,
Andrew Martin
He has 32per x6 remaining per fangraphs. It’s actually a 297×11,27aav offer
Steve Adams
FanGraphs/Roster Resource prorates signing bonuses over the life of the deal by default, but Machado’s contract called for his $20M signing bonus was paid out in full within a year of him signing.
The contract paid him $10M in year one (plus that bonus) and then $30M annually.
What’s left on the contract after 2023 is a $30M annual salary for five years.
davidrocholl
Baseball Referance is showing 5@32M per which is 160M..
padrepapi
Signing bonuses are always spread out over the life of a contract with how they’re listed out on sites like BR.
So while he got a 20m signing bonus and a 10m salary in year one, its listed as a 12m salary for that season on said site.
I think it had to do with how salaries were calculated under the old CBA for tax purposes but not 100% sure.
angryyankeesfan1
One of those $32 million salaries is for 2023, so it’s more like 265×10
websoulsurfer
He doesn’t have ANY $32 million salaries for any years.
websoulsurfer
He has 5/150 left on his current deal.
Braves Butt-Head
He’ll got more from Cohen
Steve Cohen Owns You
Ohtani will be the move. Book it.
deweybelongsinthehall
It should be interesting with Ohtani. He probably knows already where he wants to play next year and will let his agent do the work in getting the Yankees, Mets, Sox, Dodgers and all other clubs to bid up the cost. Note to MLB: Have cameras and microphones set for all negotiations. it will be a once in a lifetime situation that will make for great reality TV.
Steve Cohen Owns You
Another LeBron announcement that Ohtani’s “taking his talents to South Beach”?!
ChuckyNJ
Shohei Ohtani wants no part of New York. It’ll be the Angels, Dodgers, San Francisco, Seattle, or back to Japan.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
@chucky
I don’t know, I’m pretty sure Steve Cohen can get anybody he wants if he wants them bad enough and there is no way he’s going back to Japan and the Mariners are not going to cough up 450-500 million dollars. If the angels aren’t better this year I dont think he will be back there either. The dodgers seem like a good fit in paper but I just don’t know if they will do battle with Steve “big nuts” Cohen. Especially if the Mets don’t win the world series this year, Cohen wants a chip so bad I bet he’d go to extreme measures to secure Ohtani. I think you can put it in the books is right about this one.
That Baseball Fan
Did you forget the Padres or you see a reason why he won’t sign with them?
Hammerin' Hank
He’ll go to the highest bidder. And there’s no way he’s going back to Japan.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
No of course not, they are the second most prominent team I suspect to go after him hard. I had actually meant to put them in at the bottom of my paragraph, but, I got distracted by mentioning the teams the poster above me mentioned. I really should have done some proof reading but alas, I did not.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Seattle was the runner-up choice last time around and money is not his #1 goal. Seattle has the money & motivation to sign him.
Steve Cohen Owns You
So do the Mets.
LFGSD619
Since when was Manny’s original contract for 10/$330m?
Simon Hampton
Fixed -thanks
prov356
So if I did my math right, they are paying him 32.5m aav now. if he takes the deal, which is 21m aav for the last 5, that averages out to a total contract of 29m aav over the full 15 years. If my math is right, that’s a solid offer.
These guys…
websoulsurfer
Manny signed a 10/300 deal with a $20 million signing bonus to be paid within 30 days of the deal being approved by MLB, $10 million salary for the 1st year, and $30 million salary each season after that.
He will be opting out of 5/150 after 2023. The Padres reportedly offered to add 5/105 to that. A total of $255 million over 10 years.
Simm
This is correct. If you count this season the padres offer was for 11/285m. That paid him through his age 41 season. It’s really not far off what the he is worth. If the padres sign him to that extension 75% of the comments would turn to saying the padres are going to regret this deal in 5 years. Can machado get more in the open market, probably. It don’t think it will be a lot more though.
prov356
Yeah, that works out the same as my math but I averaged the money out per year. I think it’s a good deal for a player to be guaranteed on average 29m a year for 15 years.
DarkSide830
The Bryce Harper contract looks better and better by the day.
Steve Cohen Owns You
Yes, deal looks great for Harper. Especially since he only plays a half-season at a time.
Big whiffa
And 1/2 game at a time
Steve Cohen Owns You
And 1 arm at a time
fred-3
Signing Xander was a mistake if they can’t afford Manny
Deleted Userr
It was a mistake full stop.
deweybelongsinthehall
As someone else said, it was insurance knowing he’s opting out the same way Boston signed Story (some insurance policies aren’t worth it however…).
padrepapi
Xander (134 wRC+,.372 wOBA, 22.4, fWAR) & Manny (133 wRC+,.364 wOBA, 23.5 fWAR) have been about as close in production as two players can be over the past 5 years.
As a Padre fan (duh), I’d choose Manny over Xander if I could only pick one. That said, if I could have both for one year by choosing Xander, well I’d take Xander long term.
They gave Xander 11/280 as a FA and just basically offered Manny 11/285. They are 4 months apart in age posting similar stats, a little strange that one deal is a crazy overpay and the other is a low ball offer… not quoting you, just in general how it seems like most view the two.
fred-3
Xander isn’t playing in Fenway anymore. Look at his career splits at Fenway vs. road. All-Star at Fenway, mediocre on the road.
padrepapi
Over those same past 5 years Xander has a 125 wRC+ to Manny’s 121 wRC+ while on the road.
fred-3
And what’s Xander wRC+ on the road in the last 5 years?
padrepapi
Huh? still 125.
5 year stats by wRC+
(overall/home/road)
Xander:134/143/125
Manny: 133/145/121
fred-3
I meant to say OPS+. His OPS was 100 points higher at home in 2022, nearly 200 points in 2021. He doesn’t hit with any power away from Fenway, besides 2019.
padrepapi
Most players have home/road splits that favor their home parks, heck look at those numbers for Machado 145 vs 121 wRC+ where 4 of those 5 years were calling Petco home, one of the better pitcher parks in the game.
Boegarts doesn’t get to his value the same way Machado does, less focused on power and more on average and getting on base, so I’m definitely not questioning Machado having the power edge. Nor am I questioning that unsurprisingly Boegarts hit for more power at home where he has hit 89 homers compared to 67 on the road. Biggest issue is how much discrediting is given to his #’s on the road.
Here are those away OPS+ for Boegarts the past 5 years:
2022: 126
2021: 124
2020: 159
2019: 133
2018: 123
And Machado’s same yearly road OPS+:
2022: 160
2021: 127
2020: 92
2019: 135
2018: 119
Calling Boegarts mediocre away from Fenway is way off base. Very consistent as well.
websoulsurfer
wRC+ and OPS+ take into account the park and the league. When using those stats, it doesn’t matter where they played their home games.
websoulsurfer
It. Doesn’t. Matter.
wRC+ factors in the park.
websoulsurfer
OPS+ takes is adjusted for the park they play in.and for the league. A 131 OPS+ as a Red Sox is the same as a 131 OPS+ playing for any other team.
LFGSD619
If his OPS+ and wRC+ are higher at home that likely means he’s more comfortable hitting at his home park.
websoulsurfer
Very few players hit better on the road.
Simm
What’s funny is lots of people call Xanders deal and overpay. While calling mannys offer a lowball offer.
Xander got 11/280 and mannys new deal would have been 11/285. They are both overall close to the same player offensively. Machado has a better track record on defense though Xander actually had some higher grades last year than machado.
Plus Xander is a two time work champion.
It’s a lot closer than people realize.
LFGSD619
Manny better
Simm
I don’t disagree but it isn’t by as much as some people think.
johndietz
Why would he extend for 5/105?!? Effectively making it 10/255 when Judge just signed 9/360!?!? There’s no way that was the Padres offer!!!! Starting point HAS to be whatever they offered Turner otherwise there’s nothing to discuss!!!
skyline619
Because he was already paid $120M for the first 4 years of his contract. If the report says 5/105 his total accumulated contract would be $405M over 15 years. That’s a fair deal already. If he’s trying to push for 500. Then the Padres have to reconsider their options.
deweybelongsinthehall
It was a good offer. Who knows what Manny’s demand was? Give and take. It was made knowing it would be turned down. What is not known is if there was a counter that the Padres walked from or if Manny’s agent simply said thanks but no thanks.
Jean Matrac
It was a lowball offer. It’s been said repeatedly that Manny could be the first player to sign two $300M contracts. Seeing what others have signed for this offseason, that’s a reasonable assumption. I would think SD would have needed to offer 5/$150M, since that would equal what his expectations are on the open market.
websoulsurfer
Tad, they have said that if he signs an EXTENSION he could be the first player to sign two $300 million contracts.
Machado is under contract for $30 million in 2023 and then would be opting out of 5/150 after the season.
By saying they would add 5/105 to the deal he currently has, they were saying he would make:
$30 million in 2023
$150 million in 2024-2028
$105 million in 2029-2033
That is 10/255 after 2023 and 11/285 including 2023. Considering the fact that most felt he would get an 11/305 to 12/320 that included 2023, they were not far off.
Jean Matrac
What he gets paid in 2023 is irrelevant. He is getting that no matter what. It’s before his opt-out. Some team will probably offer him 10/$300M after he opts out. That’s completely within the parameters of recent deals for similar players. And that’s a difference of $45M over 5 years, or $9M a year which IMO is significant. The 5/$105 is a lowball offer.
websoulsurfer
What he gets paid in 2023 is very relevant. It is part of what he is getting paid in an extension.
Jean Matrac
Websoulsurfer posts erroneous information in a reply to me and then mutes me, so I can’t reply to his obviously wrong conclusion. What Machado gets paid in 2023 is part of the original contract, not part the the extension. Machado opts out after being paid for 2023, and any extension begins at that point.
Jean Matrac
No it’s not. 2023 is part of the original contract. He gets paid for 2023 then he opts out. And extension/new contract begins at that point, not at the start of 2023.
Jean Matrac
Apologies websoulsurfer, I tried to reply to your post, but the only options were FLAG and MUTE. That’s usually a sign that I’ve been muted. The REPLY option showed up later, but it was too late to delete my post. Sorry again for the false accusation.
websoulsurfer
You are not muted. Nothing I said was erroneous.
websoulsurfer
It it’s an extension he signs this offseason, then it matters.
Jean Matrac
It matters only if SD and Machado agree to tear up the existing contract. I don’t think they’re doing that. The Padres’ offer was to add 5 years, and $105M. In that case, the extension, if Machado had agreed, would have started at the end of the 2023 season, making his salary this season irrelevant.
Also he rejected their extension offer, and SD offered nothing better before his deadline. That means his opting out is probable, and in that case, anything that happens, whether it’s a 10 year deal with a new team. or a new 10 year deal back with the Padres, makes anything he’s paid before the end of the season irrelevant.
It only becomes relevant, as I said, if the two parties agree to tear up the existing contract, which, in view of recent events, is highly unlikely. I mean, why would Machado do that unless it included a raise for the coming season? His 2023 salary is relevant only in the highly unlikely particular occurrence of something in which it appears the ship has already sailed.
bloomquist4hof
As good as 2022 was for Machado was, Judge just had one of the all time seasons.
websoulsurfer
Are you trying to say that Machado is as valuable as Judge? Really?
pinkerton
Manny being Manny
sorengo99
I see what joo did there
cmac2230
He’ll get more in free agency. He’s easily a 30 million AAV guy in my opinion
oriole
Padres should count themselves lucky that he’s about to opt out and someone else will be paying him lots of money during his decline
Deleted Userr
Nope because his production will just have to be replaced. They aren’t replacing his production for less than 5/$150m.
Ha-Seong Kim
Ever heard of Juan Soto, Harambe? Give him the money that was earmarked for Manny.
Deleted Userr
Soto isn’t signing for 5/$150 so try again.
Ha-Seong Kim
No poop, Sherlock. Try 14/480. Which only adds 4mm, or in other words, a 34mm AAV
Deleted Userr
Which proves my point that the Padres are not replacing Manny’s production for less than he’d be leaving on the table if he opts out. Therefore they should not “count themselves lucky that he is about to opt out” like oriole said above.
Ha-Seong Kim
Soto is a better hitter than Manny. They’d be better off resigning him at an AAV of 34mm than only keeping Manny at his AAV of 30.
Soto will sustain his production level much longer than manny given their ages. I’d bet the farm on that.
Deleted Userr
Actually they’d be better off keeping Manny for the remaining 6/$180m on his contract.
Ha-Seong Kim
Perhaps, but Manny just made it clear he will be opting out. I’ll take Soto’s bat over Manny’s at a similar AAV.
Deleted Userr
Point is our mutual friend oriole is dead wrong that the Padres “should count themselves lucky that he’s about to opt out and someone else will be paying him lots of money during his decline”
Ha-Seong Kim
To that we can agree. However, if it means the Padres can now afford Soto (which looked unlikely before this news), I’m all for it. Hell, I’ll pack Manny’s bags for him.
Deleted Userr
They didn’t need the opt-out to be able to afford Soto. Without the opt-out they could have traded Manny for all of a team’s best prospects without eating any money then used the money they now no longer have to pay Manny on Soto.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Hate to say it..but you have to assume he’s gonna leave then..and I was one of those who was 100% sure he was staying.
You don’t give a deadline, receive an offer, and announce your opting out the day after if you’re leaning towards staying.
Love Manny, but bring on Ohtani.
Andrew Martin
Actually I was wrong. 180×6 remaining + 105×5 = 285×11, or 5m more than the Bogaerts contract
Simon Hampton
The 150/5 remaining refers to money owed after this season between 2024-28. You are right that he has 180/6 remaining, but he is opting out of 150/5 next winter.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Right but since we’re comparing today, the Bogaerts deal is comparable. You’d think Machado is worth more than $5mm over 11 seasons compared to Bogaerts.
Simm
He probably is but the overall hitting numbers the last 5 years are nearly identical.
Manny has a better defensive track record but Xander actually had better defensive stats last year than manny did.
It’s a lot closer then people think.
Motown is My Town
He’ll end up with a 7 or 8 yr deal at $35M per year…wh/ will net him anywhere from $245M – $280M
bloomquist4hof
I’m thinking similar, he gets similar the total combined from the Padres with less years.
ericm25
I think Feb 16th has past..or does he mean March 16th? or maybe Feb 16th 2024??
Steve Cohen Owns You
Details aren’t important here.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Feb 16th was the deadline. He announced he was opting out the next day.
slimray
i think the arcticle meant march 16th .i could be wrong,however feb16th is past, so it would make no sense to write the arcticle 2 days late?
mikefults
This guy isn’t worth another 10-year contract. Very team he’s played on is either a loser or becomes embroiled in dugout drama. It can’t be a coincidence that he’s in the dugout every time. He sucked with the Dodgers, and does nothing with the Padres but put up great numbers, fight with teammates, and pout. As for the Orioles, well, they just sucked.
Deleted Userr
TIL that a 6.6 WAR pace = “sucking with the Dodgers”
slimray
he was on the orioles for three playoff runs .buck showalter had to bench him twice that i know about.im a yanks fan, so maybe oriole fans know more about him?everything i read makes him look bad.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Buck never benched Manny Machado. — Orioles fan
Manny is that player you LOVE on your team, and hate on the opposing team. Manny LOVES the hate, and feeds on it, and it makes him clutch as hell.
His numbers speak for themselves. Future Hall of Famer.
Cobb, Charlie Hustle himself, or Reggie Jackson were all hated/loved based on the Uniform they wore. Manny is in great company.
((Also, rookie year Manny getting scrappy w/ Josh Donaldson was the “pot meeting the kettle” first hand! Lol. Game recognized game!!))
websoulsurfer
Absolutely! Every team that goes to the playoffs is a loser. The 3 Orioles playoff teams he was on, the Dodgers, and the 2 Padres playoff teams were all losers.
Davesg81
The Orioles had the best record in MLB from ’12-’16 and were in the playoff race until the first week of September in 2017. But yeah, they sucked because of him.
JoeBrady
That’s ballpark correct. It’s an extension of $265M/10, which is only slightly less than Bogaerts is making, and Bogaerts is one year younger. They should offer him a little more, like maybe even the Bogaerts deal, since he is better.
But imo, they are not far off.
Deleted Userr
Would you rather trade Manny for prospects or lose him for nothing?
VegasSDfan
Trade for prospects.
Steve Cohen Owns You
The Padres can afford to trade a superstar like Machado if a new deal can’t be reached.
They have lots of defensive versatility with Crone, Kim, Tatis, and Bogaerts. Plus they still have that Soto guy.
They should trade Machado for starting pitching since the back-end of the rotation is fraught with uncertainty. It would also be wise to replenish the farm a bit rather than letting Machado walk for nothing.
Jean Matrac
Machado is now a rental. The return won’t be great. There is some value if he’s traded before the start of the season. But if they wait until the deadline any return will be hugely disappointing.
Deleted Userr
r/whooooooooooooooosh
JoeBrady
100% keep him. They are all-in at this point.
Deleted Userr
But I thought you said on the other thread that the Padres would be better off letting him walk and moving Bogaerts to 3rd base! With that in mind, would you rather trade him for prospects or lose him for nothing?
schellis 2
I think machado going to regret not taking that deal. Fair offer from a team that is committed to winning. The elite spending teams have ceilings that I think they won’t cross that they are up against
It is possible that he prioritizes money over winning and will take 25 million more to be on a .500 at best team
Lindsey Hill
He already signed with a team that hadn’t made the playoffs in 12 years because they offered the most $ the first time he was a free agent.
Jean Matrac
schellis 2, Well, I thought last years Yankees’ extension offer to Judge was fair, and that he might regret turning it down. Look how that played out.
The offer to Machado seems like a fair offer since that’s still a lot of money, but it’s not fair in regards to his value on the open market. He will easily beat, what amounts to, SD’s 10/$255M offer. He should have no problem getting 10/$300M, and that from a winning team as well.
Simm
Maybe. The difference is judge went out and had one of the greatest seasons of all time. I highly doubt manny comes close to judges walk season. The odds are machado doesn’t even have as good of year this season as he has last year.
Now if he goes out and has a season close to judges last year then mannys price will go up. If it’s an avg manny season then his current offer is about right. If he tanks this year he may very well opt in. Manny has a lot less risk than judhe did because manny can always opt in.
Jean Matrac
The fact that Judge had a season for the ages is irrelevant. Knowing that now is hindsight. Certainly the Yankees did not expect him to do what he did or their offer last season would have been much better.
I was not comparing performances between Judge and Machado. I was comparing the situations. Both were offered extensions that would have been team friendly.
Judge bet on himself and won. Machado is also betting on himself, but we don’t that outcome yet. But IMO Machado will get significantly more than the 5/$105M, even if he has his average season. He most probably won’t have the season near what Judge had, nor will he get a $360M offer, but his bet himself should pay off.
websoulsurfer
How was that a team friendly deal for Judge? No one was signing 31-year-old players to 9+ season contracts that offseason and $30.7 million AAV was in line with his production prior to his breakout in 2022.
It was his historic breakout season that got him both 9 years and $40 million AAV.
Jean Matrac
I agree. If Judge were a FA last season, he probably doesn’t get a 9/$360M offer. But he definitely gets more than what the Yankees’ extension offer was, which was 7/$213.5. That’s an AAV of $30.5M. What he did re-sign for was 2 additional years, and $146.5M more, for an AAV of $40M.
The SF offer to him was the same as NY’s, and SD’s was for even more. Despite his historical season, those offers weren’t based solely on one outstanding season. It’s safe to assume, had he been a FA last season, Judge would have gotten something with an AAV of about $35M. That would mean the $30.5M in the extension would have been team-friendly.
slider32
The Padres have built a great team, but they need to win the world series this year, something they have never done! They certainly have spent the money to do so.
Chemo850
They have spent the money, but still don’t have any pitching. Their rotation consists of two guys who peak as #2 guys on their best days and a bunch of scrubs. I suspect that drought will continue beyond this upcoming season.
Deleted Userr
Which one is the scrub out of Blake Snell, Yu Darvish and Joe Musgrove?
Steve Cohen Owns You
Blake Snell.
Chemo850
Definitely Blake Snell. He was suppose to be a #1 and he’s pitched like a #4 or #5 at times. It’s crazy to look at the disparity that still exists between the Dodgers and Padres. Of course Padres fans are claiming they’re gonna win the division again due to their additions and Dodger subtractions. But if you look at both rotations objectively, the Dodgers are MILES ahead. Just look at old broken down Kershaw’s stats from last year and compare them to every pitcher in the Pads rotation. I suspect the Pads will be in trouble again this year and this will finally be the end of Aj Preller, as it should be
Brew88
Snell’s 3.3 ERA doesn’t seem to fit the definition of a scrub, but ok. His k/9 led MLB. HOFer Kershaw is great (in the regular season) but his 22 starts in each of the last two years compared to 30+/year by Darvish, and Musgrove might be a concern. The LA rotation will hinge on whether they can stay healthy and someone (like May) will replace Anderson’s unworldly performance from last year. Big iff
Simm
Most projections have the dodgers and padres neck and neck this year. The avg padres fan would say it could go either way. Some will say the padres are better and there is certainly a case for that to be made as well as one can be made for the dodgers. Of course you will have fans on both sides say they know definitively one way or the other.
User 3595123227
Opt out and get out. Go sign with the Pirates or something.
poolerh
Manny is a solid but somewhat overrated player. Depending which metric system you use, his WAR ratings vary. WAR seems to be one of the prevailing metrics used by today’s standards. According to Baseball Reference, a WAR of 8.0+ is MVP quality, and 5.0+ is all-star quality. In Manny’s career he has not achieved a WAR of 8.0 or better in any of his seasons, and has not even approached that number since 2016. He achieved 5.0 or better in only 6 of his 11 seasons, and one of those he was right on the bubble at 5.0. Whether he is worth or will get better than the 10/$255M the Padres offered him remains to be seen. I predict he will be next year’s version of Carlos Correa in terms of FA drama. I think after the Correa scenario unfolded this year teams will be more diligent in their medical history researches on these top dollar players.
CardsFan57
Everything you say is true. It’s also true that Manny has outplayed many of those people who just signed bigger contracts. Given the shortage of top players available next year, some of the teams missing out on Ohtani will be desperate to make a big move. They pivot to Machado. He;s not going to repeat the Correa drama unless someone discovers a big metal plate in his ankle. I think San Diego would have been wiser to extend Machado instead of signing Bogaerts. Just my opinion, not trying to hurt anyone;s feelings. San Diego must be in win this year no matter what mode.
LFGSD619
Would have been wiser to never give him an opt-out in the first place and just pay him more money upfront to sign with no opt-out.
davidrocholl
Machado does have a surgically repaired knee.
websoulsurfer
Machado has missed 38 games in the last 8 seasons. Injuries are not a consideration with him.
stymeedone
Manny doesn’t have Correa’s medical history. It won’t be a factor. The delay will be like Wacha had. It will be due to over valuing himself.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yes, I read somewhere before how these guys who don’t sign extensions will indeed get the run-around by owners when they opt-out and hit free agency. Carlos Correa is example #1, he went thru hell to finally get a contract and look at all the millions left on the table. He had to accept, in a humiliating fashion, a much lower deal with the Twins after opting-out. Judge on the other hand played it masterfully. But he is a unique unicorn. I predict Manny will not be treated so well in the free agent market, and get yanked around some by the owners.
websoulsurfer
Correa got a higher AAV than either the Giants or Mets were offering.
rememberthecoop
So yeah, he put in a deadline cuz he doesn’t want to talk about it. Yet it’s the first thing out of his mouth now. OK.
mcmillankmm
If the Padres struggle this year will they consider moving him at the deadline? Tatis and Xander already taking up big money with Soto due crazy money soon as well.
LFGSD619
Wouldn’t be popular but I’d do it. IF the club isn’t realistically in the hunt that is. Can always bring him back as a FA ala the Yankees and Aroldis Chapman.
CardsFan57
The Padres struggling this year would be the shock of the year. They won’t trade him. They are in win now mode.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
They only trade him if they have zero chance of even being a wild card as the trade deadline nears. Less than one percent likely.
O'sSayCanYouSee
I think the Front Office has demonstrated, that IF they are not in contention, they will trade at the deadline to become in contention. They aren’t taking a year off. Additions to MLB club at the expense of farm…kinda a trend in SD.
Jean Matrac
Machado being dealt at the deadline with the opt-out looming won’t bring back much of anything.
LFGSD619
Would still bring back more than the nothing the Padres would get if they don’t trade him and he opts out.
Jean Matrac
If past examples are any indication that something might not be worth more than the comp pick.
LFGSD619
I mean, anything can happen. But probably more than 90% of simulations end with whatever the Padres get for Manny at the deadline producing more than that 4th/5th round sandwich pick they get from the QO.
websoulsurfer
If he opts out they can make a QO and get back a draft pick.
websoulsurfer
If what the Dodgers gave up for 2 months of Manny is any indication, then it will be worth more to trade him. The Padres will not be trading him at the deadline because they will be in a pennant race.
Jean Matrac
What the Dodgers gave up was more quantity than quality. Most of those guys aren’t with the O’s anymore. A couple were waived and claimed by other teams. One was sold. None made the O’s top 45 prospects.. If that’s the kind of return they’ll get for Machado, Padres fans will be disappointed.
LFGSD619
That’s revisionist history. Yusniel Diaz and Dean Kremer were hot prospects when they were traded.
Jean Matrac
Calling them ‘hot prospects’ might be a bit of hyperbole. None were on MLB’s, Baseball America’s, or Baseball Prospectus’ top 100 lists. Fangraphs ranked Diaz #11 among Dodgers’ prospects. Kremer did not make their top 23 prospects list. Valera, who was also involved in the trade, was ranked #21.
LFGSD619
Diaz was #64 on this list
mlb.com/news/2019-top-100-mlb-prospects-list
Jean Matrac
That’s the year after he was traded. His value at the time of trade was not that of a top 100 prospect.
websoulsurfer
One of them is the Orioles #3 starting pitcher this season. In his first full season in the majors in 2022 he made 21 starts, threw 125 innings, and put up a 3.23 ERA and 3.80 FIP.
Diaz was the Orioles #1 prospect in 2019 #64 overall prospect in MLB, and was a guy the Dodgers had just spent $31 million to sign out of Cuba. A comparably graded prospect in the 2023 prospect rankings is Jasson Dominguez.
Kremer was the Orioles #8 prospect. Pop #20. Bannon #23 mlb.com/prospects/2019/orioles/
Valera exhausted his rookie eligibility in 2018, so he was no longer a prospect. He was already a MLB player.
Your claim was 100% wrong.
websoulsurfer
Tad, you are wrong. Diaz was the Orioles #1 prospect and #64 overall in MLB to start the 2019 season. Kremer was the Orioles #8 prospect. Pop was the Orioles #20 prospect. Bannon their #23 prospect. Valera exhausted his rookie eligibility playing in the majors in 2018. mlb.com/prospects/2019/orioles/
Brew88
Many thought AJP/Seidler would have added 5 years $150MM, not $105MM….typo?
Maybe the Pads lowballed now to stay under the next CBT threshold?
Looks like Soto now has a much better chance to be a Padre for a long time.
stymeedone
I disagree that the Padres are “lowballing” MM. A 10 yr contract for $29mm per seems very fair.
LFGSD619
If he can get more than that as a FA they’re lowballing him. Regardless of what you think is or isn’t fair.
Brew’88
The new offer is 10 yrs $255 MM no?
websoulsurfer
Its 10/255 deal or 11/285 if you include 2023.
SportsFan0000
Soto’s agent likes his clients to go to free agency and set new records for contracts. Soto turned down what? 350M or 400M already from the Nats?!
And, Soto’s production tanked after the deadline trade that landed him with the Padres. Soto needs to get serious and produce @ his former levels in 2023.
OR, I could see the Padres dealing Soto before free agency to recoup some great, young talent (3-4 young players_) to stay competitive for the foreseeable future.
An off season New Soto deal after the 2023 season with the Padres picking up at least 2-3 top young prospects/players to play with current Padres team and add SS Jackson Merrill in a year or two from their farm could extend the Padres window of contention into the next decade.
JoelP
Might as well just start making Machado Cub jerseys
CardsFan57
I could see that happening if the Cubs stay out of the Ohtani bidding and go right after Machado with a good offer.
I don’t think any team outside of NY or LA has a real shot at Ohtani. I see the Dodgers as the favorites. They are smart and they are looking to overtake the Yankees as the financially dominant team of MLB They’ve already passed them in annual revenue. Ohtani puts them over the top on market value in my opinion. The Japan merchandising alone will be huge and will continue long after Ohtani retires. I assume the Yankees see that so they won’t make it easy for the Dodgers to seal the deal
Cohen has his sights on taking NY market share from the Yankees. Ironically, he operates more like George Steinbrenner than the Steibrenner boys do. He doesn’t care how much the other owners hate him any more than George did. He’s going to go hard after Ohtani too I look for lots of personal wining and dining for Ohtani once he hits the market. I’m starting to think everyone will be utterly shocked at the contract Ohtani signs next winter. His overall financial value is greater than his huge onfield value.
88dodgers
Link back up with Hosmer
leftykoufax
Let him walk
BlueSkies_LA
Better than throwing him a fastball down the middle.
O'sSayCanYouSee
BlueSkies — You get to check that off your bucket-list!…
Hitting a {lefty}Koufax fastball down the middle! 🙂
{tips hat}
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Blue skies
Nicely done
SportsFan0000
Padres should let him walk.
Too many big contracts and the Padres will crash to last place and have little or no financial flexibility if too many veteran players in their mid 30’s are making budget busting big bucks in 4-5 years.
They have Baegarts, Tatis Jr, Soto and top SS prospect Jackson Merrill.
Move Tatis Jr to 3B until top SS prospect
Jackson Merrill is ready for a promotion to the big leagues.
Save some $$ for starting pitching and OF.
Too many big contracts and in 3-4 years the Padres could crash to last place or the 2nd Division in the NL West if too many veteran players in their mid 30’s are making budget busting big bucks with declining production.
Hard to tell if the Padres ownership has the stomach, long term, to be big spenders in the NL West. If they win a title in the next few years, then the ownership group could change direction, sell the team and revert to a mid market spending team
instead of a big spender challenging the Dodgers’ yearly budgets.
bloomquist4hof
They are at risk of the big contract trap. I suspect they know that and are hoping to do what it takes to buy a WS which could give them the revenue to eek out a bit more time before aging catches up with them. That said if baseball salaries are headed back into an inflationary period like it seems they might, some of these contracts may not look half as bad.
websoulsurfer
Goodbye Manny. Yaniee is going to kill you. Divorce in 2024?
Hello Ohtani! Welcome to San Diego. And a Soto extension is coming soon.
Steve Cohen Owns You
Hang ten, brah
Scream_name
I was thinking its a good time to put that house in LaJolla on the market.
websoulsurfer
Machado lives in Coronado. Incredible house with a view of Petco across the bay.
LFGSD619
Ridiculous.
websoulsurfer
Yes, your comment is ridiculous.
LFGSD619
Nope. Just yours.
CardsFan57
Yeah, it’s not the first time they’ve changed addresses. I’m sure she likes the money as much as Manny does. Who wouldn’t?
websoulsurfer
It is the first time she has built a home and then called it her forever home.
Lindsey Hill
@WSS are you ever going to use your Koamalu account again? Just wondering. Troll.
Steve Cohen Owns You
WSS is seemingly nothing more than a stalker. Some of his comments here are questionable.
B4Pilgrams
Loyalty. Haha. Are you loyal to your employer? It’s just business.
Benjamin101677
Really sad that certain players just chase money and not a good environment for them and a team that could be long term successful.
Also shows you the steals money wise that Atlanta did with their core. Atlanta has 2-3 stars locked up for what manny is going get paid per year.
I hope manny ends up on a team that never sees much post season
CardsFan57
No matter where he goes, Manny will drive his Bentley back to his mansion and beautiful wife. I doubt he’ll cry a lot if he never sees much post season.
LFGSD619
Already signed with a team that hadn’t made the postseason in 12 years the first time he was a free agent.
88dodgers
Mets cubs giants and Yankees would be happy to give him 300 mil
Simm
Setting a deadline of feb 16th seems like he wanted to pressure the padres. Season doesn’t start feb 16th. Padres off is a bit low but not insultingly low. They prob expected he would counter but he seem more he’ll bent on leaving or getting paid a massive wad. If they have to offer him much more they might as well resign him as a free agent. Don’t usually extend guys at top free agent value.
The way he is going about this id consider trading him. At least exploring what he is worth, think he has a partial no trade clause.
Either way manny isn’t acting like a player who wants to stay in San Diego. He is acting like a guy with only one thing on his mind $$$.
Maybe the padres keep him and get a judge like season from him. I’m sure that’s what he has on his mind right now.
Padres are about as well built as any team to survive the loss of manny next year. Even the loss of him this year if they can get a decent return.
Ancient Pistol
This is the guy the Yankees should have signed a few years back. If we have we wouldn’t have had to worry about getting a JD or Gio. Now he’ll be too expensive a risk at 30+.
Tdat1979
Everyone gives small market clubs grief for not signing big name free agents. Well, every top free agent wants 10+ year contracts. Small market teams don’t want to be paying a 40 year old $35 million to hit .210 with 6 home runs.
BlueSkies_LA
Actually, nobody does.
Ma4170
I think Manny is one of the better players in the league, but committing 10-255 to him at age 31 with all the baseball miles he has on him is borderline foolish.
Brew88
but 10-300 is about right
Ma4170
Any deal over 6 years w him will age very badly
damascusj
I say add 5 years for 110m opt out after the first 3 and front load the first 3 years at 30m each, lowers the CBT number, gets him paid and if he wants to retry FA he can
Jean Matrac
damascusj, No way would Machado take that deal. Adding 5 years covers his age 36 through 40 seasons. I doubt an opt-out at age 38 is going to have much, if any, value for him. And why would he take $110M when some team will pay him $30M a year for those 5 seasons?
fatdumbandhappy
Strange that they would cheap out on Manny
Moneyballer
He will get more on the open market. 28-30 mill a season is what he would command.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
I truly wish these MLB owners would STOP PAYING THESE RIDICULOUS SALARY DEMANDS!
and consider the people who used to go to games.and actually invite family and friends……
THAT will interest people….MORE THAN RULE CHANGES!
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Yeah, that’s right…YOU @$#!#! MANFRED…..when someone’s dad, grandpa or uncle takes them to the game..
It tends to.mean something….. for a lifetime and you want to pass it on.
I.am.guessing…you really don’t get it.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Ghost runner…..still makes me binkers.
nutznboltz
I can’t believe someone would leave SD for 40 million over 30 million per year. How much money does one person need or does it come down to ego? SD has to be in the top 5 cities if not the top city in all of the US to live in. To me, it’s a no brainer to stay in SD
nutznboltz
I can’t believe someone would leave SD for 40 million over 30 million per year. How much money does one person need or does it come down to ego? SD has to be in the top 5 cities if not the top city in all of the US to live in. To me, it’s a no brainer to stay in SD. Stay and finish what you started. You wear a cross on your chest which means you are a Christian which should also mean that money and the love of money should not be your main priority. Practice what you claim to represent.
Steve Cohen Owns You
Take your religious rants elsewhere, Jesus.
nutznboltz
Hardly a rant. It’s more of an observation.
JoeBrady
As a Christian, I don’t like bringing religion into the discussion. I doubt Jesus was talking about baseball when he mentioned ‘the love of money’. I’d like to think the love of money philosophy has more to do with doing something amoral is the pursuit of money.
Playing for a team that will pay you more? Not so very much.
DodgerOK
Now let’s see if Manny can handle the pressure of a contract year after running his mouth.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I hope this doesn’t leave too much of a damper over the upcoming season. Manny created a lot of goodwill with this fan base and pretty much rehabilitated his reputation. Now where does all that goodwill go knowing he’s gone after the season?? How will his decision play in the clubhouse, which is loaded with big stars and big egos?? Team cohesion and fanbase enthusiasm could take a hit with Manny’s decision to opt-out.
nutznboltz
The Padres gave him what nobody else would and this is the thanks they get. I’ve defended Manny to all my friends that don’t like him and am very disappointed.
Deleted Userr
So he’s just like almost every player ever? Big deal. Nolan Arenado is the exception, not the rule.
nutznboltz
Yes he is just like almost every other player and that’s why people are getting turned off to pro sports. Makes me appreciate Tony Gwynn more and more.
slider32
The Padres are in win mode, it will be tricky for them to keep all their top players. Manny could go to the Mets, Cohen will pay him the most. Soto is going to free agency and will go to the highest bidder, and Tatis contract has been a nightmare so far. Padres are hoping to win the world series before they leave to their new teams. This team just seems to be in flux all the time, with little stability.
mrpadre19
How has the Tatis contract been “a nightmare so far”?
He made $5 mil last year in the season he missed….
CenterWingPolitics
I mean everyone knew this was coming when they went and signed Bogaerts.
Next season Manny likely signs with the Giants or Mets.
Xander plays 3B
Kim plays SS
Tatis in RF
Soto LF
Brew88
Who’s on first?
Deleted Userr
I don’t know.
Third base!
bloomquist4hof
I asked ChatGPT to generate a 10 year aging model for him using normal aging curves and convert to a contract and it got 10/265. I know it doesn’t really know but found thst number interesting. I think it’s lowball but found it interesting how it broke it down. It has him at 5 WAR and going down from there. It was using 8 million per war which seems low now.
bloomquist4hof
I’m not suggesting ChatGPT has any business projections players and salaries but it’s a fun experiment
bloomquist4hof
I had to coerce it into reasonable numbers. I had to tell it to use reasonable aging curves then got some decent results
bloomquist4hof
Ok it seems to know what current $/war and against curves are for steamer and zips and when I told ot to use those numbers and 3% inflation it came up with 10/329 which may or may not be reasonable. I’ll stop with this but it’s fascinating because it understands enough of the concepts that when you start to prompt it right, it looks very reasonable. I don’t know how accurate it’s aging and cost estimates are but don’t seem completely wrong
bloomquist4hof
After playing with it for a minute it’s pretty clear it doesn’t really know these concepts well enough, but I think teams are or are about to incorporate their own models into their decision making
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
Manny will play all star caliber ball this year in attempts to get a giant contact from the likes of the Yankees, Mets or Giants. Only to see his World Series dreams be flushed down the crapper! He has a strong possibility of a ring this year. I’m not saying by any means, the Padres will ever make a dynasty run before freaking Jesus returns. But, if he goes to the 3 previous mentioned teams…good luck Manny at being Manny, ya SOBiscuit!
friarfootin
I knew the media would have to get this out and kick it around. The Padres spent a little cash to sit in with the big guys. Forget about it! It’s spring time and the 2023 season is here. Anybody who has ever played the game would want to be a part of what’s happening in SD. Manny wants a statue outside Petco next to Tony. That only comes with greatness. Let’s party like it’s 2023 and worry about the off-season BS later. Viva Padres!
BenBenBen
“…worth more on the open market than ten-years, $255MM.”
Um, you don’t need a hyphen between ten and years…
mrpadre19
The comments bashing Manny as selfish or greedy are asinine.He’s aboput to be 31 and its his last chance to get a large deal.NO ONE,Not a single one of you….would play for $150 mil when you could just as easily play for $300 mil.
Are you suggesting Manny should just opt in and try to sign a new deal at 36 yrs old?
You know how stupid this sounds?
nutznboltz
It is greedy, but unfortunately that is the world we live in. When Musgrove signed his 5 year deal for 100 million, some people in the press criticized him for not going out in the open market. They said he could get 140 million or more. His answer to the critics was,”I want to be in SD and I think me and my family will be ok with 100 million dollars.” Nowadays, it’s all about feeding the ego. Nobody can argue with that.
JoeBrady
I have no idea how this qualifies as greedy. Either Manny gets the money or Seidler gets the money.
nutznboltz
Maybe Manny should retire and buy his own team.
nutznboltz
Nobody but the Pads would give Manny 300 million for 10 years do why would anybody give it to him now that he’s 5 years older?
Deleted Userr
Because the market has changed.
JackStrawb
So the current 5/160m is for ages 31-35 and the Pads offered $105m for ages 36-40, totaling 10/$265m for ages 31-40.
Bogaerts, who has been as good as Machado over the last, relevant 3-4 seasons particularly since Bogaerts plays the more valuable position, got 11/280m for his age 30-40 seasons.
Assuming Machado is unlikely to give the Padres many millions of dollars by renegotiating the payouts, taking fewer tens of millions up front, his $265m is very comparable to Bogaerts’ $280m, so in the unlikely event that Machado is playable and is willing to play at age 41, Bogaerts is effectively giving the Padres a free if ancient year compared with Machado. OR, Machado is getting the chance to sell his age 41 season to the highest bidder.
The likelihood is that neither will be worth a lineup spot at the end of their deals, so the deals are about the same—but somehow Machado thinks he’s worth a $240 million extension above and beyond the 5/160m the Padres owe him if he opts in. Strange guy. Seems irreconcilable. The Padres have several major league shortstops so they might want to think about dealing Machado, moving one of their SS’s to 3B, and living without him. The Mets might give them two of Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio for Machado. Pads should think about it, in any case.
Richard Alicea
The Mets are not going to 400 with Machado, plus they have a kid in Baty that could very well be as productive with less power as he is still developing and filling out.
Richard Alicea
That extension is very reasonable and will put him in 300mil again, for a total of 405mil for 15 years. I don’t believe he will get a team to dish out 300mil for him for 10 years, he’s 30 now. The teams that can afford that type of contract are no longer looking at the SS market or 3d base market at that price as they have numerous large contracts already, so out of the remaining teams I don’t see any team that would be willing to dish out that kind of money so he can play 3b or SS. On a shorter deal, maybe. The Padres have a dilemma as they have multiple large contracts on the books.