3:10pm: Bloom didn’t provide a specific timeline on Story for the upcoming season, noting that a return is possible “but it’s not something at this stage we want to bank on,” per Alex Speier of the Boston Globe. Bloom also said Story was preparing to play shortstop before aggravating his elbow, per Speier.
2:50: Red Sox infielder Trevor Story had internal brace surgery on his right elbow yesterday, per a release from the team. “Boston Red Sox infielder Trevor Story yesterday underwent a successful internal bracing procedure of the right ulnar collateral ligament (elbow),” the statement reads. “Dr. Keith Meister performed the surgery at Texas Metroplex Institute in Arlington, Texas.” Chris Cotillo of MassLive. reported the surgery shortly before the official announcement and adds that chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom will speak at 4pm Eastern/3pm Central.
The club has not provided a timeline on Story’s expected recovery, with that information perhaps to come when Bloom speaks. Until that information comes out, we can only speculate on the timeline, but it’s worth pointing out that the UCL is the same ligament that is replaced in Tommy John surgery. The internal brace procedure is generally considered to be less invasive and allow players to return quicker, but the recovery period still usually takes months. For one recent example, outfielder Eli White underwent the procedure while a member of the Rangers last year, with the club announcing at that time that White was expected to miss six months. Each player is unique and will have their own responses to different injuries, but it seems fair to assume that Story is slated for a significant absence of some kind.
For Story, there have been concerns swirling around his throwing arm for some time now. He made 11 throwing errors while with the Rockies in 2021, with some scouts expressing trepidation about this throws after that season. Statcast’s new arm strength leaderboard ranked Story as averaging 79.1 mph on his throws from short, a mark that placed him 52nd out of 58 shortstops to make at least 100 throws that year. That was a noticeable drop from 2020, when Story was at 82.3 mph and ranked 22nd out of 34 shortstops who made 100 throws.
Despite those concerns, the Sox signed Story to a six-year, $140MM deal going into 2022. At the time of the signing, Story was expected to play second base in deference to shortstop Xander Bogaerts, but it was also seen as a possible safety net for a Bogaerts departure. Since Bogaerts had the ability to opt out of his deal after 2022, the Sox would then have the option of sliding Story to the other side of the bag to replace him.
The position change gave Story and the Sox a year to evaluate things, with Story making shorter throws from second. He averaged 76.1 mph on his throws last year, which was another drop from the year before and placed him 61st among 70 second basemen to make 100 throws on the year. On top of that, the Sox indeed saw Bogaerts opt out of his contract and sign with the Padres this winter.
Though Story’s timeline is still to be determined, it seems like the Sox will now have to figure out how to navigate their middle infield without Bogaerts or Story, at least for a few months. If the club decides to stick with internal options, they could go with Enrique Hernández and Christian Arroyo, though Hernandez seemed ticketed to be the everyday center fielder, so they would have to figure out a solution there. Jarren Duran would be an option to take over in center, though he struggled in 2022 by hitting just .221/.283/.363. There are some other infielders on the roster such as David Hamilton and Enmanuel Valdez, though they’ve only recently been added and have no major league experience.
It’s also possible the club could look for external upgrades. The top free agent options are all off the board, assuming today’s Carlos Correa deal with the Twins is the one that finally gets across the finish line. Elvis Andrus, Josh Harrison and Andrelton Simmons are some of the middle infield options still on the board, if the Sox decide to go that route. On the trade market, there are some players who could be available, such as Isiah Kiner-Falefa of the Yankees, though an inter-division trade might be tricky. Amed Rosario of the Guardians has been mentioned as a speculative candidate, as has Nick Madrigal of the Cubs. The Sox and Marlins have reportedly discussed Joey Wendle and Miguel Rojas in trade talks, so perhaps those discussions could be revisited in light of today’s news.
However the Sox approach it, it seems fair to say that they have been dealt a blow for 2023. Despite being hurt in 2022, Story still hit 16 home runs in 94 games and slashed .238/.303/.434. One silver lining of the surgery is that there’s at least an explanation for his diminished arm strength. If the surgery is successful in repairing his ligament and he’s able to get back into form, perhaps he can take over the shortstop position later in the year. Story’s contract runs through 2027 but he has the ability to opt out after 2025, with the Sox then able to negate the opt-out by tacking on another year and keeping him through 2028.
swinging wood
Small, medium or major deal?
YourDreamGM
One of my kids had it, 3 months. Story is older and mlb level. Probably 6 months. To many factors though to know. Would need to be his examining doctor.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Bloom thought he was getting fair value for 140 million and thought he was smarter than everyone else what a moron
YourDreamGM
I’m starting to think sox fans don’t like bloom.
Salvi
There’s a handful, they just have the loudest mouths, and have multiple accounts at MLBTR.
Also, Talk Radio doesnt do the team any favors. Angry people are more dedicated to tune in, and listen much more intently. The stations know this and exploit it for revenue. Its all about the $$$.
CarverAndrews
Talk Radio has been a general scourge and not just sports talk radio.
Screaming heads get the ratings, because most people are kinda’ stupid. Level heads don’t get the ratings as they are not controversial enough. Exhibit A Infowars; exhibits B through Z plus every other alphabet possible available.
soxshortstop
yep. there was a reason Story was a late signing. everyone else knew. why didn’t he have it done in early October – would have been 3 months removed from surgery…..just bad decisions after bad decisions – what a shame. Starting SS is Arroyo and maybe put Durran who played 2B in college there?
Salvi
Agree Carver:
I sometimes have agreed with Talk Radio’s ‘angry’ points, but even when I agree, i can only take it for 15-20mins, before I get aggrevated. Then realize they’re just playing a broken record, repeating the same point over and over for listens (aka old school clicks).
“Bloom Sucks”
“Belichek Sucks”
“Cora Sucks”
“Kung Fu Panda Sucks”
“Bobby Valentine Sucks”
“Edgar Renteria Sucks”
It gets old fast.
Salvi
Soxshortstop:
“everyone else knew”
Really, then why werent you guys screaming when Story signed. I looked at “Red Sox sign Story” MLBTR page. Some sited the elbow question, mostly discussing when he’ll get healthy, but no one was outraged then. But, “everyone knew” according to you.
Also Why in the world would you put “Durran” at 2B when you have a career infield (Kiki) in CF?
123redsox
Duran isn’t a good outfielder, kike is almost gold glove in center. Duran was drafted as an infielder. That would be “why”… but Duran hasn’t played the IF in years and isn’t going to restart halfway through the offseason. So as much as the logic is there, the practicality isn’t. Especially when they have Valdez who hits better in the minors and does play second and hit left handed
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Is that why boston sports radio talk was nearly all about patriots during the brady years mo ron
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Chaim Bloom stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis blues again.
william-2
I will give you the feeling from back when we signed him. Story could hit, period. We knew there was no chance he was playing short, and no one believed the Sox would botch the Bogaerts negotiations.
The feeling was we were finally solving the second base problem we have had since Pedroia. The price was reasonable in hindsight for a premier bat at the time, the defense was going to improve immensely at second, and gave us some insurance in the case Bogaerts got hurt, or Bloom botched the negotiations. I liked the deal simply because it solved issues at second, middle of the order, helped the defense, and didn’t cost prospects. No one anticipated Bloom happening. It was unimaginable going into the off season before the signing of Story.
Kevin 23
No, it’s far more than a “handful”, it’s basically EVERY Red Sox fan whose understanding of the game of the baseball is above that of a 5 year old’s! Bloom has been utterly abysmal in virtually EVERY facet! He has failed on his trades, Betts for nothing but AAAA players, Renfroe for JBJ, Benintendi for Cordero, Winckowski, and bums, etc. He has failed in free agency, overpaying for Story, Paxton, the Bogaerts failure, etc. He has lead this organization to last place finishes in 2 of his 3 years and they are headed towards another one this year. There is NOT a single human being on planet Earth that can make a compelling argument that Bloom has been a successful GM in Boston, not one!
soxshortstop
Durran looked lost in CF. RS want Kiki in CF. Maybe a reset at the position he played at in college.. “Others” meant GMs. Learn to read…”there was a reason Story was a late signing” and look at the content before commenting. Honestly, where do you folks come from.???
Salvi
“mo ron” obviously a Talk Radio fan. Thanx for proving my point.
For Love of the Game
Kevin, tell us how you really feel.
Salvi
kevin:
You forgot:
Betts was traded per ownership, and had to get rid of Price’s terrible contract
You forgot:
Pivetta and Seabold for Workman and Hembree
You forgot:
McGuire and Broadway for Diekman
You forgot:
Vazquez for Valdez and Abreu
Are you the “5 year old”? Youre sure acting like one.
AL34
Absolutely 110 percent correct and in the money! I wondered if Bloom is on the Yankees Payroll!
YourDreamGM
I wasn’t a fan of the contract under the assumption his elbow was fine. I am sure if I was on here that day I made my opinion known. Only people who could have known would have been his family, Colorado and Boston. Other teams would need permission. They probably had their suspicion. Anytime someone isn’t throwing as well it gets your attention. Boston failed somewhere of this was a detectable issue or of they known and gave him contract anyways.
fitted54
Don’t like it’s more like hatred
deweybelongsinthehall
No one wants to hear this but the team should re-sign JBJ cheaply and move Hernandez to short. If he shows nothing, he gets cut. That an allow the youngsters the opportunity to compete for CF in spring training.
PulledaBloom
Huntington – You are right fans shouldn’t complain about winning a ring then firing the architect and hiring a demolition guy like Bloom. All fans root to finish 5th in their division after winning it three straight years.
It sure is easy to blame the fans for not liking Bloom rather than reviewing his results. Wake up to reality. Bad performance draws boos and Bloom is getting booed on all sports media because he’s been terrible.
Hard to spin his performance into anything except an embarrassment for Boston fans.
Bright Side
I didn’t agree with the signing either. That said, it’s too early to judge. Moreover, I’d rather have him than IKF and/or Hicks.
PulledaBloom
soxshortstop – Red Sox don’t want Kike in center field CORA wants him there since he the son of a close friend. He hit .250 in his good year which was 9 points about his lifetime average. He’s no different than JBJ except he’s not as good at fielding.
Duran needs to start in center field so the team can give him a fair chance at proving himself. If he fails, no problem just DFA him like so many others. Your suggestion of him at 2B isn’t terrible. He did play it but Yorke is on the way so why waste time playing him there? He needs to prove he can play CF for the future. If he can’t he’s gone. He’s not a Bloom guy so he most likely gone any way.
Kike is a waste of money in CF. Guys with lifetime averages of .241 don’t hang around 10 years as starters, they are utility guys at best. Sure am glad Cora is unbiased and playing his buddy’s son. NEPOTISM, look it up Bloom/Cora supporters, you’ll see Kike’s picture!!
The hot mess keeps getting messier!!! Fire Bloom today and save a mistake in the future!!!
PulledaBloom
Huntington – Nobody got rid of Price’s contract. They ate half of it like fools. It wasn’t about the money it was about the race of the player. That has been clear for over 3 years now. Price’s contract when signed was not that bad but removing Farrell for the bench jockey was a huge mistake for the pitching staff. Cora ruined both Price and Sale. Also, Boston should have hired a financial consultant to tell them the Price buy down was exactly the same mistake they made with Hanley, Panda and others. They spent years fighting the CAP thanks to buy downs so Bloom naturally does a buy down in one of his first transactions with Boston. What a twit.
You sure enjoy spinning tall tales in hopes of making Bloom look less inept.
PulledaBloom
Dewey – Should they just make the Kike move and put Duran in CF? JBJ is not a future member of the team whereas Duran could be if he proves himself. The team still needs to look to the future even if the present is going to be a disaster.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Story hurt his arm during the offseason getting ready for this year so I’m sure he didn’t know he even needed this procedure until very recently. While his arm strength has been an issue for a while had they known he needed a UCL procedure, they would have done it in August once he was basically shut down and the Sox were out of the playoffs.
Yankee Clipper
First, I can’t believe you said “Kung Fu Panda sucks.” That’s just too far.
Look, I know this appears to be a bad Bloom decision to many, particularly in light of his very public failures, and I have been an ardent critic (or supporter as a Yankees fan) of Bloom. Nevertheless, I can certainly understand why they acquired Story on this contract. As a Yankees fan, I admittedly wanted him on the Yankees. In hindsight, I’m thankful Cashman passed on him, but he was certainly on the top of my list because of his ability.
all in the suit that you wear
What was the diagnosis that “everyone knew”? I think all we know is that Story missed some time with elbow inflammation in 2021. I don’t think he had any elbow problems in 2022.
stymeedone
Sign Andrus to a one year, and he can move to 2B if needed when Story returns. Simplest solution and cost effective.
stymeedone
So Bloom does what the other GMs did in Boston? Maybe its not the GMs making that decision. Hmmm.
flamingbagofpoop
Considering what the Padres gave him, I fail to understand how Bogaerts is a FA failure.
deweybelongsinthehall
Exactly Dorothy. He apparently was working on longer throws to return to short when he felt pain. For all those Bloom haters, he’s actually done what ownership has wanted as otherwise they would have already canned him. His plan was long term and 2020 made things hard on most teams. Give him to 24 to see if his drafts and trades work out. To start over before then without a truly open bankbook is stupid. Besides even with an open wallet, many players won’t trust ownership based on their recent decisions. Hopefully though the Devers signing is the start of a change. I find it curious that a no trade clause was not included. That would leave me Leary if I was Devers or a player about to test free agency.
fivepoundbass
@poop I agree. The only failure I can think of would be not trading him
Boxscore
Not a case of liking or dislike it’s all about results and Bloom fails on multiple levels: trades, negotiation skills, media/public relations ect. The sooner they fire him the better.
Salvi
yankee clipper: I cant believe you said Kung Fu Panda.
Im not sure what that means. Im nots these guys are good or bad, or mediocre. Thats not the point. Im just saying in Boston, at any given time, they need someone or multiple people to hate. Almost everyone of the haters are regular listeners to WEEI, I’d bet it.
Any Free Agent with an ounce of common sense see it going on, and would steer clear, for fear you have a 5 or 6 year contract and the haters decide its you.
Boxscore
The ones we should be questioning are the people still shilling for Bloom on here. Maybe their closet NYY fans?
justkidding
I am Sox fan who likes Bloom. However the Story deal was and is the worst move he has made. He and Baez were the two free agents who were the most overated.
fresnododgerfan
Kike can play short.
justkidding
Clown shoes bro. Dombrowski was brought into the best situation you can hope for. Its his disregard for building a system that has landed us where we are. Take a look at what he inherited, including the prospect depth to trade for Kimbrel & Sale, I am embarassed for my fellow fans that can’t understand.
justkidding
What kind of a result do you consider the teams W-L record the last 3 years? The ALCS appearance? Knocking the Yankees out of the playoffs? Just curious. Are you one of those “we have to win the World Series” people?
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Bro he aggravated the old injury learn to read the article before posting
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Another person that doesn’t read the article
Salvi
Dombrowski inherited Betts, Benintendi, Bradley, Bogaerts, Devers, Vazquez, Holt, Rodriguez, Porcello. Ramirez, Barnes, Valaquez.—Its gonna be tough to get out of that one.
Bloom inherited Sale, Eovaldi and Price, and an empty farm—Super Easy, Barely an Inconvience.
Randy Red Sox
can you tell me one BLUE CHIP prospect Bloom has added in his 3 + years in Boston other than Mayer who ended in his lap.
PS–to this site—I have ZERO interest in a rakuten purchase. Let me post this reply please
Randy Red Sox
Bloom didn’t inherit–Betts, XB, JDM, Vasquez, etc just to name a few??? Say whatever you like about DD–we DID win a WS with him. With Bloom we have 2 last place finishes in 3 years with another likely to follow
Yankee Clipper
Huntington Grounds: I’m just kidding around, man. Kung Fu Panda is Jack Black voicing the character on the kids cartoon (for those who don’t know). With tiny humans running around the house, I’m very familiar with the show. It was fake offense interjected for humor – and I obviously failed.
I did get what you wrote and why. It makes sense.
all in the suit that you wear
This article does not mention aggravating an old injury. What was the old injury?
Yankee Clipper
Suit: I think that is a reference to the throwing issues Story was having from SS his last year in Colorado. I don’t know that one could classify that as an injury though (I honestly just don’t recall enough about it).
As I said above, I wanted the Yankees to nab him off the market. He was one of my top choices.
all in the suit that you wear
Hey Clipper. Story did have some throwing issues. It looked like his arm was heading in the wrong direction. As you say, throwing issues doesn’t necessarily indicate an injury. I was hoping a year off from shortstop would allow his arm to heal if needed. I wish the Yankees did sign him. I remember thinking there was no way the Red Sox would sign him, but then they did.
Yankee Clipper
Suit: That’s very true, but I have always like Story’s five tools. I really believe it’s too early to judge the Story move. If this works, or ultimately he receives TJS and it works, you have a true five tool SS for $140MM or whatever. That’s a steal, imo.
Salvi
No worries Yankee Clipper, youre we’re good. I think youre more reasonable than some others, and they’re suppose to be Red Sox fans.
overdamonstah
Lol except bloom actually sucks. He’s an incompetent mess that has gutted a Sox team that was set up with a core for years. It will take a long time to recover from bloom.
all in the suit that you wear
Clipper: I sure hope you’re right.
bostonbob
Gee, what have it away YourdreamGM
koolga
The team is already paying 8m of his contract this year.
Randy Red Sox
Even I didn’t think Bloom could be THIS bad !!
Randy Red Sox
Story will just be another in the long line of Sox FA busts
Randy Red Sox
Why spend more $$$ in what is certain to be a losing season anyway?? Just put Kike at SS and Duran in CF and save the $$ for Bloom to bring in more BBB’s next off season.
LordD99
Major short term, small long term. In fact, getting the elbow repaired will eventually allow him to return to SS.
Yankee Clipper
L99: Sorry, man. I posted mine below at the same time as yours I think. I only saw your post after I submitted mine and refreshed.
Great minds think alike!
LordD99
No problem, YC. We’ve done that in the past and will do so again!
Fever Pitch Guy
Lord – We can only hope, but based on the history of those that have had the procedure there’s certainly no guarantee he’ll ever come close to being the solid shortstop he once was.
LordD99
@Fever, do you mean TJS or this brace procedure? I thought the former was very good, but I haven’t seen much data on the brace procedure.
Fever Pitch Guy
Lord – Brace procedure. It will remove the pain and discomfort, but the affected area will remain weak and his throws will not be very strong.
Yankee Clipper
There is good news, however. Story’s limitation on SS was his throwing/arm problem. If that’s taken care of and he recovers his arm strength, the Sox have a viable, multi-position player that’s also one of the top-tier SS in the game.
YankeesBleacherCreature
If anyone wants to go down a rabbit hole:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8541765/
BaseballisLife
Major. 4-6 months before he can resume baseball activities like throwing and swinging a bat. A month or so getting back into playing shape, then a rehab assignment. If all goes perfect he is back with the Red Sox late-June to mid-July.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Why did they just make this determination now…? They could have started the process 2 or 3 months ago; no??? It’s like Tatis or whoever it was going up to his manager, “uhhh yeah I forgot to tell you I went head-first off my 3-wheeler two months ago and my shoulder kinda hurts now uhhhh”.
A better GM than Chaim
They wanted to be assured that any viable replacement for Story was signed elsewhere and off the table so they can scrape the barrel with their change purse. Waiting for the signing of Jed Lowrie to be announced.
Salvi
You do know there are other ways to find players other than signing them right?
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – It was an existing injury going back to 2021 with the Rockies, Bloom was well aware of it, that’s why Story didn’t play even one inning of SS last year.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: I clearly remember someone saying early last year (maybe Cora) that Story would only play 2B all season no matter what. I forget the reason. I think it was so he could focus on it. I tried to find an article with this in it recently, but couldn’t find anything. Do you remember this? I didn’t like the Story signing since they have Mayer, Yorke and now Romero in the minors – all middle infield first round draft picks. That is also why I didn’t want to resign Bogaerts.
stymeedone
No, that was Xavier’s ego.
all in the suit that you wear
Stymeed: That’s believable.
drtymike0509
If this is truly the case than Bloom throwing that kinda of money on a player that hadn’t completed the previous 2 seasons healthy looks even worse. He hasn’t been healthy
Fever Pitch Guy
suit – Do you honestly think a professional veteran infielder like Story would somehow be negatively impacted by playing his former position for a handful of games during the year?
There’s one reason and one reason only why Story didn’t play SS at all last year. It’s the same reason myself and many others have already given. One throw across the diamond from the SS hole could have blown out his elbow. I’m not a Cora suckup, but this totally explains why Cora didn’t sub Xander with Story for even one inning all year.
Remember the game up in Toronto? Xander was given the day off, and instead of having Story play SS it was Arroyo. As we all know, Arroyo is a MUCH better 2B than he is a SS.
And guess what? Arroyo made a run-scoring error in a 1-0 loss.
Fever Pitch Guy
stymee – Not sure why Red Sox stars who have excellent reputations are being painted as jerks? Does it somehow lessen the pain of losing great players such as Xander and Mookie?
Xander is known throughout the game as one of the most classy, professional, respectful, chill guys in MLB.
Xander is the guy who signed that very team-friendly extension with Dombrowski, rather than hold out for more money.
He’s the guy who stayed classy and said nothing after Bloom insulted him with that $90M offer last year.
And he rightfully didn’t want to be moved off a position that he is best at, during a contract year no less.
Story was not an option at SS because of his injury. Even if he was fully healthy, Xander more than proved he deserved to be the starting SS with his GG-caliber play.
Fever Pitch Guy
drty – You are 100% correct. Bloom was so focused on saving a few bucks and improving the defense, he didn’t give a damn about Story’s existing injury. Shame on Bloom for his tunnel vision.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
One more tone-deaf brain-dead move, and that should be Chaim’s job…doesn’t even have to be a major move. Did anyone even check his resume for any relevant baseball knowledge, or they just saw he worked in Tampa Bay Front Office and said “OK, Right, that one will do.”
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: No. I don’t think he would be impacted. Just telling you what I read. It was planned from the beginning of the season to keep Story at second base mo matter what. It seemed like they wanted to avoid a shortstop controversy or offending Xander. If one throw from shortstop to first could blow out his arm, I think any throw could such as a throw from second to first during a double play. I don’t see any evidence that the Sox willfully signed a guy who was set up to blow out his arm at any moment as you and others suggest. I don’t know how we can settle this without a doctor explaining his 2021 MRI to us.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: What was the existing injury when Story was signed? I don’t recall any reported. People were worried about his arm, but there was no specific current injury reported.
Fever Pitch Guy
suit – I agree with you on wanting to avoid a shortstop controversy, they couldn’t have rotating shortstops. If anything it was a respect thing with regard to Xander.
But again I’m talking about the very few games when Xander did not start. If anything, if you’re the Red Sox wouldn’t you want to let Story sub for Xander in those few games so he doesn’t get too rusty at that position?
Sorry but there are some much longer throws required from SS than 2B, it’s not fair to compare the two positions. That is one reason why shortstops typically get much larger contracts than 2B.
Fever Pitch Guy
suit – Right elbow inflammation. Anybody who has had inflammation issues knows it can last for a very, very long time without surgery.
I had knee inflammation from an injury, it lasted nearly two years … and I’m not an athlete.
Dave Aylward
Arroyo is a 1-to-2-day player, always gets hurt. This year is shaping up to be the worst since the 60’s. Bloom is taking the blame, but it is not all his fault. Don’t want JBJ back and the Story signing was not a good one, just like the Sale deal. If you remember in 2018, he limped to the end and he has not been solid since 2017. It is time to move on from him. People forget we had 14 years of greatness. Now it is time to pay for it.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – Excellent post, and so true! Bloom was 100% a Henry hire, as he thought Bloom would be the next Theo.
When you hire baseball ops guys who don’t know the game, and you hire them only because of their familiarity with analytics, it’s a recipe for disaster.
Randy Red Sox
Dave-the sad thing is it didn’t have to be this way. DD left Bluffoom a solid team albeit with some bad contracts yet when given the chance to rid themselves of a few they failed to trade Eovaldi and JDM just to name a few at the deadline. that coupled with a terrible signing of James Paxton put the team over the cap last year with a LAST PLACE team. That is NOT smart management. This team will continue to flounder with Bloom at the helm. I hope DD writes a book after he retires and tells the TRUE and HONEST reasons why he was fired.
Fever Pitch Guy
Life – In the above article Bloom says a return this season is possible, but not something they will bank on.
For Bloom to be so pessimistic, when he’s known for rose-colored-glasses BS, leads us to believe there’s a good chance he won’t be back this season. And if the Sox are out of the wildcard race by the trade deadline, what’s the point of rushing him back anyway?
YankeesBleacherCreature
@FPG Recovery typically is about half the time of TJS. Even if he can’t throw this, DH’ing is not out of the question. I’d be surprised if he’s not back after the ASG.
Pads Fans
YBC, if you were the Red Sox, would you rush him back to DH if you are out of the race for the Wild Card?
With both Bogaerts and Story gone, I cannot see any way they are in the hunt come July, Can you?
YankeesBleacherCreature
@Pads Fans That really depends on how far along he is in recovery. Rhys Hoskins had done the same internal brace surgery in Oct. ’20 and was able to have a full ST in ’21. Granted he’s a firstbaseman and the injury was on his non-throwing arm. I don’t see why Story couldn’t hit if the recovering elbow wouldn’t be further stressed. Their lineup is obv better with him in it.
PulledaBloom
Yankee – If he comes back as a DH where do the other half dozen DHs play? Yoshida has to go back to LF despite being a bad defender, Devers has to go back to 3B despite being the worst fielding 3B in Red Sox history, Turner has to play 1B so where does Casas play?
There is a huge ripple effect when yet another DH is added to the already DH biased Red Sox roster.
Think about how bad this decision is for Bloom. Bloom signed the guy to six years with a bad elbow. He should have imposed surgery on him late last summer after they were eliminated in August. That would have provided adequate time for him to be ready for Spring Training. He repeated the mistake he made with Sale!!
It’s incredibly hard to find a way to believe Bloom knows what he is doing. Everything he does could have been done better by a more qualified and more knowledgeable GM. This alone should have gotten him fired after letting go the main guys who saved his 2021 season.
Bad 2020 and 2022 and then releasing the core players that manufactured a decent season without any talent around them in 2021 and the guy still has a job. It makes no sense.
PulledaBloom
Pads – Great point. They should be out of the race by mid April! Will the balanced schedule save them? hahaha no chance. They won’t be loading up on games against the Pirates or KC. Heck, I’m not even sure those teams are projected to have worse years than Boston!! Scary!!
stymeedone
Red Sox have been playing Devers at 3B, and XB at SS for years. They even tried Schwarber at 1B. Suddenly defence is your concern?
Fever Pitch Guy
YBC – Even if Story had been a good hitter last year (he wasn’t), where would JT play if he can’t DH? The only position he can handle is 3B and Devers has that position locked down.
And 1B is supposed to be all Casas.
I don’t think the Sox will bench a $15M player just so a bad hitter coming off an injury can play. Story is not Bryce Harper.
Randy Red Sox
And then where does turner play if Story is the DH?
Randy Red Sox
Red Sox have become a “Tampa North” franchise. Bloom has convinced Henry he can build HIS team through the farm but it will take time. Meanwhile he continues to shop in the bargain bins and sign veteran players on 1-2 yr deals to keep the team “quasi competitive”. You will continue to see a revolving door of players wearing the Red Sox jersey for the next several years. The ONLY reason Devers was extended was because of fear that the fan base would REVOLT if he was lost. I am done as a Red Sox fan as a result of these type of actions. If not for the O’s also having a terrible offseason you could guarantee another last place AL East finish in 2023 but they likely will anyway.
Please address any comments to this by using my name. thank you
Unclemike1525
Swinging wood- If you have an A ball prospect, A tray of hot dog buns, and a case of beer Madrigal can be yours!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
And right when Chaim was getting some good mojo and wind in his sails for once after the Devers signing…
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – There’s a good chance John Henry told Bloom to sign Devers. Giving Bloom credit for the Devers signing is absurd.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Fever True but I am sure Chaim felt some pressure come off him a bit even though it was all Henry’s doing. He got residual goodwill from the fans who were happy to at least get something positive out of this nitemare off-season.
PulledaBloom
Ignorant – Residual good will from fans that don’t really understand the game maybe? Most fans realize that he both over paid for Devers and destroyed the future by losing Mookie, Benny, JD, Vazquez, Renfroe, Schwarber and Eovaldi since he arrived in Boston.
His nickname needs to be Demolition Man!!! hahaha
Throw that on a t-shirt with Boom’s face and you’ll sell out in hours!!
stymeedone
So if its a good thing, someone else is responsible, but if its bad, it was definitely Blooms decision. Got it.
Boxscore
Exactly. Anyone can back a Brinks truck to a players door. #firebloom
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – Yes, agreed. Bloom did benefit from the Devers signing, even though he likely didn’t earn it.
dirkg
Locate nearest dumpster.
Soak rag with alcohol.
Light rag and toss in dumpster.
That about sums it up.
Pads Fans
This is big. Not sure if it was in the article when you commented originally, but Bloom said that a return is possible “but it’s not something at this stage we want to bank on,” They are not sure that Story will be back at all in 2023.
I have read elsewhere that the best case scenario is him returning around the ASG break in July.
As of today the Red Sox have no SS or 2B for this coming season. A stunning turn of events to be sure. Haven;t read any of the other comments here, but Red Sox fans have got to be panicking at this point,
YankeesBleacherCreature
Elvis Andrus and Jurickson Profar?
all in the suit that you wear
Jose Iglesias and Tommy LaStella.
stymeedone
Andrus and Iglesias!
Boxscore
No.
Fever Pitch Guy
suit – Marty Barrett and Rick Burleson.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: Now we’re talkin!
olmtiant
Marty!!! My guy!!!
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
This guy had some of the most-read stories on MLB TR last year. I wonder how many views this story will get.
YankeesBleacherCreature
We should get a new tab: Trevor’s Stories
Wilmer the Thrillmer
Yikes, sounds like and alternative to TJ.
YourDreamGM
Pretty much. It’s a different faster option for a less severe injury. If you need TJ this might not be a good option or a option at all.
Viveleempireevil
It’s his throwing elbow so…not good.
aggee10
Why wait this late in the off-season to have surgery?
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Maybe they reversed tank mode right after they signed Devers to an extension?
all in the suit that you wear
It sounds like he pushed it over the edge while preparing to play SS this year.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
This is the same guy who approved deGrom’s physical. He seems like a big-name guy. He will also have quite a few enemies if he screws up.
CarverAndrews
Not sure why we tend to analyze these things as if we have inside knowledge. First, it is still medical science and it is still a frontier field in many ways.
The usual best practice is to go with the most conservative treatment possible…rest and rehab. Plus, most of these guys have tweaked something over time and it can be hard to tell the difference between it being normal soreness and problematical soreness.
Next…who is to know if he didn’t simply re-injure it while practicing. Most of these guys are well into their winter prep programs and are ramping things up. Many of them are already down at the camps working out, or at the least working on skills and fitness in preparation. Camp is a month away.
The presser should have more details if there was a recent new injury, or simply a delay due to trying to work through it without surgery.
HalosHeavenJJ
Great take. I’ll add to it a number of players are trying the plasma rich injections nowadays. I know a few Angels pitchers did. And that takes a couple of months to see if it works.
They really try to push surgery off unless really needed.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Maybe he fell off his bicycle like Chris Sale did.
Fever Pitch Guy
Carver – Awful take. The injury goes back to 2021 with the Rockies, Bloom was well aware of it. They went the entire 2022 season trying “rest and rehab” and it didn’t help. Waiting another 3 months was sheer stupidity.
CarverAndrews
FPG – Sorry that I cannot summon the party line commentary required of a Bloom-hating, disaffected Red Sox fan. ; )
From the updated article: “Bloom also said Story was preparing to play shortstop before aggravating his elbow, per Speier.”
Newly aggravated.. those are key words. Position players generally do not get TJS or the brace as a precautionary measure, while some pitchers do get the full TJS after a partial tear. Mostly however with position players they will work to rest, rehab and PRP if they go that route.
One CAN play ball without a UCL…RA Dickey never had a UCL. Daiseke as a pitcher never fixed a pretty bad partial tear. Plenty of position players have played through and rehabbed partial tears.
Fever Pitch Guy
Carver – The “newly” word is yours only, it’s not in the article.
It’s extremely obvious to most, Bloom wanted to know if Story’s elbow was strong enough to play SS after not playing it for a year.
The only way to find out is to make practice throws that a SS would normally make during games. Story was testing his elbow when he aggravated it. Obviously, the worst case scenario occurred.
PulledaBloom
Carver – Bringing up Bloom hating after a massive Bloom mistake like this one is inconsistent with your usual logical approach to answers.
Bloom had let go many star players by the spring of 2022 including but not limited to Mookie, Price, Benny, Renfroe and Schwarber. In an attempt to save face and position themselves for the transition to Mayer they contracted Story for $23.3MM per year for over a half decade.
That means at some point when Mayer is playing SS and Yorke is playing 2B they were going to have Story without a place to play unless Devers finally got move to DH. This was not a smart move considering his other resources. Now add to it the fact that Story had spent the previous season with a bad arm and the risk factor goes up. It’s no different than the Bloom supporters insulting Dombrowski for the Sale signing except Sale did NOT have a bad arm, he had a dead arm like almost every year prior to 2019.
I love Story as a player and had they contracted him to play 3B I would have been ecstatic but they didn’t. They should have gone 2 years with opt outs each year after that for the team. That way whenever Mayer was ready Boston could simply opt out of paying a redundant $23.3MM each year they had both Mayer and Story.
It’s the risk factor tied to the $23.3MM and then releasing Bogaerts and JD the 2nd and 3rd best hitters on the team that compounds the impact of taking such a high risk and paying such a high price for Story. It’s not smart baseball.
Story spent a lot of time on the IL in year ONE, will spend at least half a season on the IL in year TWO and by year THREE Mayer could be ready making his $23.3MM a redundant waste of money for years FOUR to SIX.
Harper and Seager are two recent fielders needing UCL clean-up. I’m not sure Story gets better not having this surgery so the entire contract becomes an even more significant waste.
Whether you like or dislike Bloom, this contract was above Story’s value at the time of the contract, it had lots of hidden risk (hopefully the issue was known but you never know) and it created redundant resources at 2B or SS wherever Story was to play in the future. Overall, objectively this was a bad deal for multiple reasons and that would be true no matter who brokered the deal for Boston.
CarverAndrews
@FPG andPAB: – I will endeavor to answer you logically and dispassionately. ; )
There are three main factors here as I read the RS fan comments. The first is the Bloom track record. And while, in your shoes, I would not be enthralled with him, I would have to recognize the large role that ownership has played in the past few years. First, they get rid of DD (paraphrasing – “he was not the right guy for a rebuild”). Which is horsehockey if one knows his full track record. Now he might not have wanted to stay for one but we don’t know that.
John Henry clearly moved on a bit with his beloved Red Sox. After 4 titles that broke the curse, they wanted to install a rebuild with a Rays model architect, which of course is going to drive the now somewhat entitled fan base wild. I don’t blame you, but it is also a reality. He wanted to get away from relying on big FA deals, rebuild the farm and get the payroll under control and hopefully build something that could last that would also be more cost effective over time. All this while he was building a sports empire. So Bloom is a reflection of ownership…he has also been only OK with the track record thus far but I am not deep enough into their system and player development to have stronger opinions. Nor do I trust most of the opinions that I see on here when it comes to perspective and reliability. Sorry.
The second major drive is the Story deal itself. Personally, even though we needed a SS at that time, he was not my choice. But I understood the deal as well. His floor was relatively high with his defensive abilities, and even though I thought that the bat would be more league average, that is a worthwhile set of tools in a SS and he had some potential for upside with the bat. So if the Phils had signed him on a 5 / $95M, I would have been more than fine with it as it would have solidified a position in my mind, even if not a true difference maker.
The first two years have not gone as planned, and it is eating away at your souls. But get his arm back and put him at SS and there is a good chance that the latter 3.5 years will be decent or better. He was never elite however and I guess that grates on everyone.
The Phils picked up Trea Turner this year and he IS elite in many ways and I am thrilled. I am also appalled at the cost, but know that it is the going price these days so what can I do? Our owner is will to do it. Oh, and tell John Henry thanks for DD…we certainly appreciate him down here.
CarverAndrews
@PAB and FPG – The last part…the arm injury and medicals.
I truly mean no offense, but almost all fans are talking out of their nether regions when they bluster about who should have known what beforehand and what should have been done. And then they further just avoid the reality that the very people that they are complaining about not only have access to all sorts of information that we don’t and are professional in the field with firsthand access, but they are also the ones with something on the line if things don’t work. So it isn’t as if they are going – “Story has a bad UCL but eff it…we are going to sign him and cross our fingers and hope that it works out”.
Maybe they were optimists and maybe they could have done things differently but we have literally no idea if that is the case and what really happened. So the constant I told you so stuff when it comes to injuries is quite over the top.
In brief, let me relate something about UCL injuries. My senior year in HS, I had a partial tear while playing SS (was a catcher / SS). Finished the season, played 4 years of college ball and another 8 or 9 years of semi-pro after that without surgery. Rehabbed and kept at it, and while I had to deal with the occasional mild setback and also routine aggravation but the arm strength and ability to throw was just fine.
Retired…some years later started playing age-restricted baseball. Never pitched before and was again a catcher that would also play some SS and 3B. Pitching is at a premium as we get older, as many of the guy who had been really good have kinda’ worn down by then due to the wear and tear. So I ended up pitching a couple of years in. In a tournament in FLA, I destroyed the UCL while pitching…blew it up entirely. Early November. Saw the ortho, confirmed it and talked options. His words…sure, we can do the surgery. Then again, you don’t need to play baseball anymore and if you rehab it it will also be fine for daily life but you won’t pitch again. You might play first after a year.
Did my research and decided to rehab AND to play ball again. If it didn’t work then I could always get it done the following winter. Rehabbed the hell out of it and was playing catcher in April. No the arm was hurting and was hardly full strength and I eased my way back in. By July the arm was pretty good for catching. Started pitching just a bit and it wasn’t ready…no life yet on the ball. But I played the entire season and the arm was decent by the end of the year. Rehab continued at a high pace…the next year I was pitching better than I had before the injury and had gained 2 mph on the fastball from all of the work. The issue that remained is that it was always going to hurt when I pitched…always got swollen…but it was playable.
Of course the grind at a pro level is far greater but the point remains…when you are a professional AND have firsthand access to the patient and the records and everything at your disposal it is STILL something that leaves plenty of room for opinions and error. Treating a UCL for a position player is different than for a pitcher and they chose a conservative route that did not work. Posturing about this as a fan is blatantly silly.
Fever Pitch Guy
Carver – Great post, I agree with much of what you wrote.
The one thing I disagree with, even if Story was healthy enough to play SS, he was never going to generate enough offense to warrant that contract. Those drastically declining numbers prove that out.
Speaking only for myself, but probably for many Sox fans as well, what eats at our souls is that Bloom felt Story was worth $50M more than Xander. Had Bloom taken the money ticketed for Story, and given it to Xander with an additional $20M tacked onto it, we wouldn’t be having this conversation because the Sox would still have one of the best shortstops in the game.
Fever Pitch Guy
Carver – Great post, much appreciated.
I do think you give too much credit to those in the front office. Why do you think it’s so far-fetched that Bloom believed one year at 2B would be enough time for Story’s elbow to heal? Many player contracts are quite risky, the teams that are most successful with gambles are the ones that benefit the most.
You don’t think players get acquired even though the acquiring team has concerning info about the player?
Well then read this my friend.
“When the Boston Red Sox were considering acquiring Gagné, a Red Sox official made specific inquiries about Gagné’s possible use of steroids.
In a November 1, 2006 email to a Red Sox scout, general manager Theo Epstein asked, “Have you done any digging on Gagne? I know the Dodgers think he was a steroid guy. Maybe so. What do you hear on his medical?”
The scout, Mark Delpiano, responded, “Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues.
Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max effort plus stuff . . . Mentality without the plus weapons and without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back durability and ability to throw average while allowing the change- up to play as it once did . . . Personally, durability (or lack of) will follow Gagne .”
AND THEO STILL ACQUIRED GAGNE.
So no, it wouldn’t be that shocking if another cocky young Red Sox Ops guy says “eff it, we are going to sign him and cross our fingers and hope that it works out”
AL34
Bloom had to have known this was a possibility and done more a lot earlier. Sorry people but this is on Chaim Bloom.
Fever Pitch Guy
Al – As usual you are 100% correct. There’s a reason why Bloom didn’t name Story as the starting shortstop even after Xander left.
It’s going to be really hard not finishing last again this year.
Inside Out
Perhaps he just hurt it preparing for season?
stymeedone
Can’t repair an injury until an injury happens.
Fever Pitch Guy
stymee – The injury happened in 2021. Story had plenty of time to get the procedure done not only this offseason, but last offseason too.
We all know why he didn’t get the procedure done last offseason, because it would have killed his opportunity to get a $140M contract prior to the 2022 season.
Bob Sacamano 310
So assuming they need to keep Story at 2B, who do they sign for SS? Andrus?
elmedius
I’d vote Iglesias. He’s already well liked on the club house.
baseballpun
Cards can give them DeJong.
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
If he costs more than 10 bucks Chaim isn’t interested
Rsox
I’ve been pushing for Andrus all winter but Iglesias wouldn’t be bad either. Ceddane Rafaela can play SS as well, perhaps this is a sign he needs to be given a shot at the MLB roster
DonOsbourne
People may scoff, but I say this in all seriousness, Paul DeJong would offer a possible solution. He’s on an expiring contract. He can pick it at SS. He can be had for basically nothing depending on how much of his contract the Sox are willing to take on.
Rsox
You are correct and honestly the change of scenery might do him well.
Samuel
Rsox;
I’ve started muting all posters that use the word “honestly” when making a comment.
I figure when they don’t use it in a post than what they’re writing is not honest…..so why bother reading what they have to say?
I like reading your posts a lot, but will mute you if I read that again.
JoeBrady
I use “honestly’ when endorsing someone’s opinion that doesn’t necessarily concur with my own. More like “I’d like to trade for Kim, but ‘honestly’, DeJong is not a bad alternative.
MLB-1971
Arroyo can play SS as a bench player subbing in occasionally, but he is much better suited for 2B. The Red Sox need to sign a true SS like Iglesias or Andrés.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
I honestly don’t know why people still respond to samuel
Yankee Clipper
Always liked DeJong. Great defender and seemed like a guy primed for a breakout offensively again.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Off-Topic Clipper but what happened to our boy Trumbo??? Miss his easy going demeanor.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – I agree on Trumbo, he’s one of my favs.
Yankee Clipper
I don’t know, I’ve been keeping an eye out for him, but right after Christmas he stopped posting. Perhaps he’s just on a vacation or something?
Fever Pitch Guy
Clip – How dare he vacation during the Hot Stove Season!!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Sign Josh Harrison and Dee Gordon-Strange stat!!!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Samuel but if you muted those ppl that would leave nobody left on these boards for you to propound to in your unctuous ways, what a loss that would be.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Is he quoting “How to Win Friends and Influence People” again?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
He said he is going to mute any user who uses the word “honestly.” I’m wondering now if Samuel is a parody account of a grumpy senior citizen.
spudchukar
Perhaps Paul DeJong. Yes, he has struggled at the plate the last couple of years, but he still has pop, especially in Fenway, is an asset defensively, better than Bogaerts, has good speed and is a smart player.Cards won’t give him away, and not sure who Boston has that would interest them but he is superior to the other options.
Fever Pitch Guy
Angel – The Sox could make a trade, perhaps Houck for Kim.
Houck is one of the very few young players on the Sox that has value and a high ceiling.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Kim is actually the ideal candidate. Couldn’t be a more perfect match. And Padres should not play Kim at 2B…his value is at SS, trade him and let him fulfill his role at his natural position.
Pads Fans
Going to take much more than Houck to get Kim.
PulledaBloom
Fever – So you give up the Red Sox future #1 pitcher for a league average SS?
Have you been taking Bloom pills? Seriously, you are putting a bandaid on a compound fracture. It’s going to take several years for the Bloom damage to the leg to heal so who cares who plays SS until Mayer is ready? So the Red Sox win 70 games rather than 65 but lose Houck. That’s a travesty.
For all the Kim lovers, where does Mayer play if he’s ready in 2024? So Houck for one year of Kim or are you suggesting to sit Mayer so Kim can play?
None of it makes sense. You are using Bloom logic.
PulledaBloom
Fever – Justed looked it up. Kim is a 107 OPS+ guy. He hit .251 so he could be the third best hitter on the team but still…. for HOUCK? OUCH
Fever Pitch Guy
Pulled – I didn’t say I WANT the Sox to make that deal. I’m a huge Houck fan, I defended him when all the fake Sox fans were roasting him about the vax.
Not only would it be a bad deal longterm, it wouldn’t help the Sox very much this year. They are still likely a last place team with or without Kim, with or without Story.
Fever Pitch Guy
Pulled – I would make Houck untouchable. That guy is a winner, he’s cool and calm and confident as I’ve ever seen of a young pitcher. Trading him would be a huge mistake.
Which is precisely why I think Bloom would consider it.
Oscar the Grouch
Is that the arm equivalent to what Carlos Correa is gonna need on his leg?
YourDreamGM
No
Yankee Clipper
No, Correa has a wooden stick with a shoe on it attached to a stump. He hides it well.
MuleorAstroMule
The high socks distract you with their awesomeness.
Yankee Clipper
Haha! True, I’m betting styrofoam insert for the high socks.
VonPurpleHayes
Not great news, and odd that he waited so long.
riffraff
6 months to heal then has to ramp up.. most likely out for the year
fba0017
You can count right? Guess you don’t follow baseball.
Sideline Redwine
Having a bad day? Or just a jerk?
isiight
Both
slapnuts
Normally when you’re a jerk, every day is a bad day
toomanyblacksinbaseball
With or without provocation.
CarverAndrews
This one is going to blow up with the Red Sox fans…
…the internal brace is not the same recovery time as TJ – especially for a position player. But given the fact that he is a middle infielder, they will have to be cautious with the timeline. This was an option for Bryce Harper until they got in there and did the full TJS, but I think for the brace they were talking about 4 to 6 months.
BaseballisLife
Exactly right. 4-6 months until the player can resume baseball activities like throwing or swinging a bat. Then ramping up and a rehab assignment. He could be back by the ASB.
RunDMC
They should gone ahead with “Future 2B Trevor Story”
17dizzy
Actually—- this my be better than TJ.
Shorter recovery time.
YourDreamGM
Unless it doesn’t work and he needs tj anyways. Then double the time missed. Not to be negative but just saying. Hopefully this does the trick and holds up and he is fine.
JoeBrady
Then double the time missed.
========================
That’s always my concern. My understanding with Sale is that it took longer than necessary because they tried rehab. OTOH, like with Tanaka, sometimes the short cut works better.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Meister of the Metroplex
ClevelandSteelEngines
what is internal brace surgery?
toomanyblacksinbaseball
“Newer” development in TJ surgery that speeds up recovery. Meister also performed the procedure on Kenta Maeda.
ClevelandSteelEngines
geesus that isn’t good. Doesn’t that take pitchers closer to a year?
Yankee Clipper
Cleveland: it does, but position players recover faster due to the differences in positional stress on their elbow. This timeline is 4-6 mos recovery, then ramp up, then play (barring setbacks).
ray win
They have a middle infielder who has proven he can field well and hit when given a chance. His name is Christian Arroyo. Why bring in a has been or never will be?
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
When was the last time Christian Arroyo remained healthy for an entire season?
AL34
They did not pay Christian Arroyo 140 million right?
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
Doesn’t matter what they’re paying him, what matters is he will not be healthy for an entire season. That was my point. Christian Arroyo will not be healthy for half the season
dopt
Former second baseman
Gwynning
Non-Story. Although I am fervently anticipating what hyperbolic silliness Amanda will say…
BaseballisLife
Story missing at least half the season and possibly more is a non-story?
Fever Pitch Guy
Life – Gwynning is saying Story is so bad he won’t be missed.
So in that respect it is a non-story.
Gwynning
Just having fun with words. The Sox are now Non-Story like my milk is Non-fat. I think we all understand missing a significant portion of the season sucks, but I question why he waited 3+ months to prolong this decision. As always, we aren’t privy to anybody’s medicals so there’s probably a good reason. The main thing is to come back strong and I wish both he and the Sox well.
5TUNT1N
Wasn’t this ligament in question when he was on the Rockies? And likely aside from Xander one reason he shifted to second? Really kind shows they missed the boat on repairing it earlier or they really expected to extend Bogaerts. Or the more likely fact that I’m misremembering but as a NL west fan who could’ve acquired story I feel the ligament had been questioned whether it being for previously missed time or whatever.
BSHH
If I remember correctly, Story was deemed a better defensive SS than Bogaerts before his throwing got worse. Let’s hope for him the surgery helps him get back to this point.
Gruß,
BSHH
dbdmack
He can sit in a box with Pedi while recovering.
Brace yourselves, incoming Doomsday Red Sox “fans” posts incoming.
AL34
Do you blame them? This team was mediocre to begin with now this great news? Bloom had to have known a while ago that surgery was impending. Should have negotiated with Bogaerts in better faith and kept a sure thing, even speak with Correa when his contract fell through for the Mets. Yeah, you cannot spin this disaster which will most likely keep Story out 6 months. If I was the owner I would fire Bloom now. Now you know why Bloom signed Devers to distract from this disastrous news.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Oh boy! First Bogey, then Devers, and now this. Quite a rollercoaster offseason.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
What was wrong with Devers? You gave two completely contrasting viewpoints that couldn’t be more opposite of each other (Bogaerts and Devers). One guy we got, the other we let go. How are they both failures?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Down, up, down…
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Got it, was missing the point but understand now. That is the definition of Bloom.
utah cornelius
Hence “rollercoaster.” Down with Bogey, up with Devers, now Story…
Charlies_papa
The Sox don’t do well with long term deals. Gonzalez, Crawford, Sandoval, Price. Sale, and now Story.
ClevelandSteelEngines
crazy how we get mad at them for not going for big contracts when their track record is snakebitten.
Jake Biggar
Yes and all free agents or players acquired from other teams. We want to pay our own superstars not someone else’s most of the time
ClevelandSteelEngines
what is the record of the players that we’ve let go?
dbdmack
JD, Manny, Papi?
Salvi
dbdmack: Whats JD, Manny, Papi?
Most of Papi’s career was 1-year deals. Manny was before current ownership. So JD, alone, offsets Sale, Story, Sandoval, Price, Crawford, Matsuzaka, Drew, Lugo?
Long-Term deals are the death for Red Sox. Team is much better off when relying on home-grown talent and short-term FAs. Fingers crossed on Devers and Yoshida.
dbdmack
4 rings? J/C you can’t get it every year. Dice K helped get us a ring, no? Panda and Hanley were desperation signs, as was Story. The sox stayed away from the big deals this year as they were ludicrous. Let’s see how Mookie is doing in 2-3 years and we all know the Xander deal was just nuts. Yoshida deal was not too extravagant.
Youth is coming, deals will be signed next year or the year after.
PulledaBloom
dbdmack – What planet are you living on? WOW
Mookie after 3 years has continued with his 134 OPS+ in LAD even though he’s getting really old!! NOT. The Mookie deal was a huge mistake. $9MM more to sign the 2nd best player in baseball at the time? Seriously? When the team profited to the tune of over $330MM in 2018 and 2019? And when the team paid JBJ $11MM and couldn’t afford the $9MM bump to Mookie?
So $18MM for half a decade to an unproven LF who can’t field, can’t steal and has zero familiarity with MLB pitching is a good deal? He’s nowhere near as good as Benny making $15MM. Once again, bad judgment by Bloom.
Yoshida is yet another Bloom overpay. If the guy can NOT hit .300 with an OBP over .360 he was a massive over pay.
Youth is coming and hopefully it will match the hype Bloom has given them. Unfortunately, nothing Bloom has said so far has rung true so don’t hold your breath. We all can hope at this point because there is no light at the end of the tunnel except Bloom being fired.
MLB-1971
Yes, JD Martinez was 5 years and Manny 8.
Ortiz was 1 or 2 years, and he complained and whined about ‘lack of security’. He never had a long term deal.
Michael Macaulay-Birks
Pretty sure Manny Ramirez deal was the biggest to that point in baseball history eight years 160, million, worth every penny
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Aside from Story, Bloom has effectively avoided the big contracts and not put us in a rough spot in the long run
all in the suit that you wear
Pedey: Yes and I think that’s why Bloom will keep his job.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I think he will keep it through the season. 2023 will determine whether he will stay on or get fired
Fever Pitch Guy
pedey – You missed the part where Bloom spent the most in MLB history on an Asian position player. There are MLB executives saying he’s worth less than half what Bloom paid. Personally I don’t care, but overall it’s important for Bloom to avoid overpays more than just large contracts. If the player is worth the large contract then it’s not an overpay.
As for Bloom getting fired, some Bloom suckups are already defending Bloom’s 2023 season by saying it’s not his fault because of the injuries.
Well, it’s Bloom’s fault for signing players that either have injury histories or are at high risk of injuries. Personally I think Bloom’s fate hinges on revenue. If revenue drops way down because the team is bad, then Bloom might be gone sometime between August and October.
PulledaBloom
Pedey – I agree with your thinking that Bloom could have done far greater damage to the future payroll than he’s done and lets all hope that continues. His actions in his comfort zone of low paying short term contracts has been abysmal. From Kike, to Arroyo, to Paxton and the other 100 contracts he’s signed since joining in Boston. NOT ONE ALL-STAR. The best two players signed Renfroe and Schwarber weren’t good fits but hit then got released using his revolving door plan. Guys like Kike hitting first says everything you need to know about the combination of Cora and Bloom. No idea what they are doing!!! Worst in the EAST is the net result.
Limiting the damage your GM does is not a strong philosophy for winning. Ownership needs to man up and break it off with Bloom, Cora and the rest of the front office. Hire an experienced GM who brings his own group to the front office along with his choice of Manager and Coaches.
Ownership has missed so many opportunities to fix the problem. Bochy could have been the manager. There are not a lot of great people qualified at GM and Manager for the Red Sox to keep passing up. This can’t get fixed until ownership cares enough to admit their huge mistake and fire the entire lot of them and start over. Bloom took a championship team down to a level where a rebuild is necessary. I wouldn’t trust him running the local 31 flavors. He’d pick flavors nobody wanted!!!
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
It’s still not a huge contract though. Contracts are way bigger these days. We can’t pick and choose a contract and say we like it situationally. I mean, if Yankees made that move, no one is saying anything.
Clepto_
Talks with the Twins to acquire now “have accelerated” per J Heyman.
HalosHeavenJJ
I’d imagine every pitcher and infielder, probably every baseball player, has some damage to their throwing UCL.
Be really interesting to know how different medical staffs would view the same elbow.
sliderwithcheeze
He won’t be missed. He’s just not good enough to be a difference maker anymore. Plus when he returns he’ll be even older. Retirement can’t come soon enough
Zucca
Go get Espinal from the Blue Jays
bigbatflip
Bloom is the gift that just keeps giving.
Has he made any significant moves that have made the team better? I can’t think of any….
AL34
No just budget moves to put a mediocre team on the field. Bloom will be gone after this season
Jake Biggar
Chaim Bloom has to know he’s basically a dead man walking going into this season right? I mean this team is easily going to finish in last again with no one to blame but the idiot who architected it
getrealgone2
My Friend is a big Sox fan and isn’t a Chaim hater, but even he said Bloom might not make it to ST.
PulledaBloom
From your friend’s lips to God’s ears!!!! AMEN
AL34
So let me get this straight. The guy was injured with Colorado but Bloom did not put the guy through a medical ? He signed the guy, he had an awful year for the money he was paid. You knew this but had no interest in negotiating in better faith during the season or right after it when Bogaerts wanted to stay as the starting shortstop and you could have had him cheaper than that ridiculous contract he received with San Diego. Now I am curious that they signed Devers to distract from this disastrous news! Now you need a second baseman and a shortstop! No interest in Correa ? Way to go Chaim Bloom !
After this disaster of a roster he put together and the predicament of this team to follow, Bloom will be fired at the end of the season or earlier!
Henry Silvestre
Kim for Whitlock +.. lets go!
spudchukar
Would need more than Whitlock.
PulledaBloom
Kim – The 107 OPS+ infielder who hit .251 last year. We’ll give you Houck or Whitlocck’s GLOVE for him!!! Think like Cora…. this is a chance to play Devers at SS!!!
Wow the world is full of crazy ideas. Anything other than Kike for Kim would be an overpay.
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
So why there eff wasn’t it done back in October or November?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Bc they waited to see if his elbow would heal enough. Obviously it didn’t. Surgery is typically the last resort.
BaseballisLife
Guess who won’t be playing SS or any other position for the Red Sox to start the 2023 season.
4-6 months until he can start baseball activities. A month or so getting back up to playing shape. A short rehab stint in the minors after that. If all goes well he could be back by the All Star break.
steven st croix
Chaim and Farhan both will be looking for a job after the season.
YankeesBleacherCreature
They could join the Nashville Group and co-GM the…?
getrealgone2
Elvis Andrus just did a back flip!
Occams_hairbrush
Perfect solution. Sign him for two years at reasonable money.
baseballpun
Mo should trade them DeJong for a Fenway Frank and a beer.
olmtiant
A Frank AND a beer???? No deal
A better GM than Chaim
Chaim Doom is clown shoes.
william-2
Lord please do not allow Bloom to make a terrible trade in order to fix the middle infield situation in a year we have zero chance of winning. I would rather have an internal scrub play this year rather than watch him trade a Casas, Houck, or Sale in order to get an external scrub to play for us.
If our plan the last couple seasons was to have mediocre players whose talent is versatility than we don’t need anyone. If we need someone, then what was the point of hoarding every mediocre player that can play different positions?
Astros2017&22Champs
Why wasn’t this done directly after the season? Why wait? Makes no sense
stymeedone
He wasn’t injured until now.
acoss13
Was there an a tear, or any signs of damage in his elbow when he signed? Curious if so, because it didn’t stop Boston from giving him a 6-year deal.
all in the suit that you wear
Acoss: That is the $140M question. We need his MRI. Maybe we need MRIRumors.com.
It’scalledawinningstreak
Poor Story Time.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Okay, so now we need another shortstop. Bloom, get back to work.
PulledaBloom
Pwndroia – Back to work? Has he arrived at the building yet? I thought he spent the last 3 years on the phone with demolition companies planning the Red Sox future.
RedSox67
Like WTF. Why couldn’t this been done at season end!!!!
butch779988
Chaim suck it up go sign Iggy and Andrus for the middle IF and call it a day.
olmtiant
Two people we can try and bring back!!!! Nomar!!!! Or Rooster!!!! Not good but sun WILL come out tomorrow!!!
soxshortstop
Damn…can we get Jeter Downs back. Lose X and Story. Maybe José Iglesias time….or do they call up Ceddane or Hamilton. Top draft pick here we come – Woo hoo!
rhswanzey
There are quality SS defenders on the trade market and in free agency. Losing the RH power bat hurts. This lineup was already short a top half power hitter.
Adam Burnham
I believe Paul DeJong is available
Armaments216
Why do St. Louis fans all seem so eager to dump Paul DeJong? He seems like a perfectly serviceable player and can be used as a utility backup so he’s not blocking anyone. His contract would probably get claimed if waived, but even if not, it’s not like he’s all that expensive if they needed to eat the cost. I don’t get the hate.
DonOsbourne
There’s no hate, not from me anyway. I like Pauly D. I think he was a victim of Jeff Albert and inflated expectations caused by the juiced ball. The problem is we have too many players who need playing time and DeJong makes way more money than any of them. I would love to see him get a fresh start and a chance to play everyday. If that can be accomplished without the Cardinals having to eat his contract, it’s a win for everyone. I think Boston is a perfect opportunity. I will follow DeJong’s career wherever it takes him and always wish him the best.
stan lee the manly
Nobody’s taking 9 mil for a utility guy who can’t hit that is also slow with fairly limited range. There’s better speed/defense guys that can’t hit on the free agent market still that would cost half as much
baseballguru
ARROYO IS THE MAN at SS or 2B JUST START HIM for God Sake! IDC about who mans the other INF or CF positions…let Kiki do it and bring up Cedanne Rafael…Mayer…into the fire they go! Rookie Time!
olmtiant
Guru I like your fire!! But then we would lose their control time and lose them to FA sooner…..lol……
Craigs Checkbook
Seriously?
WHAT are you smoking, I want some of that.
AL34
The season was in the tank anyway with Bloom’s deals and pickups. All this did was guarantee it. This is a 5th place team but how Bloom signed damaged goods from Colorado last year is amazing. I heard last year that that he could only throw lobs from shortstop. Knowing this Bloom should have signed Bogaerts after the season or during it when he wanted to stay and for a lot cheaper than that San Diego contract. Wait until Bloom’s precious prospects struggle again like they did last year. It will take another GM at least 5 years to clean up Chaim Bloom’s mess up. The only positive to this is that Bloom will be fired at the end of the season or hopefully before it.
Craigs Checkbook
Do we have to wait? Can we fire him now?
Worst GM in MLB, last place finishes with top 6 payroll.
Disaster, Dumpster Fire
soxfan4381
I never understood why Bloom gave Story that contract. Story hasn’t been good since 2019 and hit 250 his last year in Colorado. However, bloom thought that guy is worth 6 years. Bloom can’t evaluate talent. Bloom didn’t want to sign Devers, John Henry forced him after getting booed at the Bruins game.
all in the suit that you wear
I agree it made no sense. My theory about the Story signing is someone above Bloom told him we need a “big signing” because people were calling them cheap. So, he made a big signing which also happened to be a hedge against Bogaerts leaving.
Salvi
Spot on. These guys who think they’re helping to change Red Sox for the better, are actually pressuring the team to make poor decisions. Also, Free Agents see all the anger and don’t want to come to Boston, making signings much tougher.
all in the suit that you wear
I just can’t see a guy from the Rays thinking the Story contract was a good idea.
Occams_hairbrush
Paging Elvis Andrus…
Doug
The Beantown dumpster fire continues to burn brightly.
miltpappas
Now Bloomers will give up prospects for one year of Joey Wendle. Smooth move.
Viveleempireevil
“Look at me, Bloom. I’m wearing a cardboard belt”.
Datashark
Boston has gone from Xanders starting SS to Story to Arroyo.
The team is filled with ex-dodgers that won’t fill the void.
olmtiant
??? Worked for 2016 cubs(with ex Redsox)
baseballteam
On the bright side, it should be a highly entertaining season (in a sadistic way).
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Kim and Grisham for Sale, Verdugo, Dalbec, and $50m..
Makes tons of sense on both sides..
stan lee the manly
Here, take my two spare parts for two young high ceiling players and an ace pitcher when healthy. O and I’ll take that extra $50 mil too!
PulledaBloom
Wow – That’s a hard troll!! I’ll give you 10 cents for Kim and Grisham and feel like I got the better end of the deal!! hahaha
User 589131137
Durran and spare change for Rosario
Viveleempireevil
Story’s contract last year and Dever’s deal this year added to losing their best (remaining) player to the Pads, of all places, means Chaim Bloom must’ve been born under a good sign. Because right now my left leg could do a better job with the Dread Sox.
Craigs Checkbook
Can we put Bloom on the Forever IR?
It might stop him from blowing big $ on chumps that already have injury history and are mediocre players..I can’t wait until I get to hang out in a niece smart briefcase instead of the dumb ripped backpack that I live in these days.
Salvi
Chris Sale is calling and says its called the IL, and he should know.
PulledaBloom
Huntington – Cora put him there. You bet he knows.
BuyBuyMets
That ought to clinch last place
displacedfan
The Sox front office has been both bad and unlucky. I submit that a billionaire owner should at the very least field a team that is enjoyable to watch, a group that has passion, that wants to win even if they are out manned. The Sox have not done that yet…here’s hoping they spend some money and at least give us a team that we can root for in 2023.
AL34
It’s too late, all the top free agents who could have helped are all gone. Now Bloom will panic because his job is on the line and pick up subpar talent.
all in the suit that you wear
The Red Sox 2023 player payroll is at $224M so far.
PulledaBloom
Dispalcedfan – TOTALLY AGREE but it’s not going to happen with Bloom leading the front office.
PaulyMidwest
I agree with the ppl saying probably the best option is to sign Adrus quick before someone else does..or Josh Harrison if u wanna throw Kike at short. Or trade us a prospect for Madrigal. But I don’t understand why he didn’t get the surgery months ago. Red Sox will be awful this year unless a miracle occurs.
AL34
The problem with the Red Sox is that Bloom is in the dumpster looking for diamonds and it is not going to happen. He cannot get that Bargain Hunter out of his blood. Boston is a major market not like Tampa Bay where they do not draw fans and have to be budget conscious. He did not have a good off season and it got worse with the loss of Bogaerts and Story being damaged goods. The team is a last place team and I am hoping this will put the nail in Bloom’s Coffin and the Red Sox can get a real GM who is not afraid to trade prospects. The next GM has some mess to clean up after Chaim Bloom’s “Reign of Terror”.
AL34
Another amazing thing is why didn’t Bloom have interest in Johnny Cueto? He would have been a better pickup than Kory Kluber. I don’t think Bloom has any clue of what he is doing. What Bloom did at the Trade Deadline was absurd at best. He traded Christian Vazquez to a team we were playing that night? He traded for Tommy Pham, Eric Hosmer, and McGuire and yet hung onto JD Martinez and Nate Eovaldi? There was no Tyne or reason to what Bloom did at the trade deadline. Either you are going for the playoffs or you are throwing in the towel.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Red Sox definitely chose the wrong “Ivy League Prodigy Baseball Savant” from the Tampa Bay brain trust. Somehow ended up with “Ivy League Dunce Boy” instead.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – Bloom isn’t an Ivy League graduate!
He went to Yale College, affiliated but not the same as Yale University.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
My Bad! (Mariners are my #1 team but try to keep up with Red Sox as worthy opponent & baseball royalty.) Thnx Fever
PulledaBloom
Fever – You sure it wasn’t Yale High School? hahaha
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – You’re welcome, I enjoy your posts.
Fever Pitch Guy
Pulled – Could be! Haha!
Poster formerly known as . . .
Yankees fan here, and I sympathize with Sox fans — not sarcastically but sincerely. I’m too familiar with big-salary players getting injured (Jeter, Ellsbury, Stanton, Judge, etc.), and I thought Story was a good pickup for the Sox. Sometimes you can see these things coming (e.g., Montas) but more often not.
My question is: whom do the Sox have to trade in exchange for a shortstop?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Marcello Meyer and Brayan Bello
Poster formerly known as . . .
I see that Mayer is rated Boston’s #1 prospect by MLB Pipeline. I think they’d have to be getting an awfully good shortstop in return to put him on the trading block, not some stopgap player, which seems to be about all that’s available.
Poster formerly known as . . .
P.S.
Judge didn’t belong in the big-salary category when he was on the IL, but obviously he was a big-impact player. Then there’s the oft-injured, overpaid, low-impact Aaron Hicks.
Yankee Clipper
I agree, Fink. Story was one of my top choices. Considering the money/budget, he was my top choice. I still think it’s too early to judge the value of his contract. If he gets right, that contract is going to look pretty good, all things considered. I mean, he got less than Dansby Swanson and has much more on his resume.
Poster formerly known as . . .
On the other hand, I think Swanson was underrated. I think the Cubbies did well to sign him.
Yankee Clipper
Also true. The Swanson signing was a good one imo as well. I was referring only to what Story’s value would be in ‘22’s market given his pedigree.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I went back to the videotape to recall what I and others had to say about Story’s signing at the time. I’ll admit I was wrong then. I knew about the arm injury but underplayed its importance.
mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/red-sox-to-sign-trevor-…
all in the suit that you wear
Fink: I doubt the Red Sox trade much for a shortstop, if anything. I think they are trying to build a young core from the farm. I think they will sign Iglesias or Andrus. I think Tommy LaStella may be available too. I really want a young core. I think that gives the best chance for winning multiple World Series.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I think you’re right. Signing someone like Iglesias makes sense under the circumstances. Trading for someone like IKF would make less sense, IMO, because he’s better suited to play third base.
Yankee Clipper
Yes and Andrus is a much better bet imo. Frankly, I’m surprised he hasn’t been signed already. And unlike Iglesias the defensive metrics are more friendly to Andrus.
Nonetheless, his post-trade numbers were excellent and Fenway would probably help him. He swatted 9HRs in 43 games with Chicago and 8 in 100 games with Oakland. That’s a .155 iso, which is pretty good. His BABIP was only .272 so his slash line was artificially lower than it should’ve been too.
Moreover, Andrus had a 15% k-rate that he maintained the entire season, which is below MLB average. Plus, his OBP was .303, and his lifetime OBP is .300, so that’s consistent. His slug, even with the poor first-100 games was still over .400 at season’s end. Perhaps most importantly, his wOBA was a decent .310 (MLB avg is .320).
All in all he was a 3.5 fWAR (3 bWAR) player with plus defense & offense at a premium position He ended with a WRC+ of 105 and his max exit velo was still at 109mph. He would’ve lost two HRs playing in Boston, but his hit chart is pretty spread out. All but two of his 17 HRs were to the pull side, which would translate well to Boston too.
I think he’s certainly worth the shot.NYY had Gleyber Torres and IKF in 2021 & 2022, respectively, and he’s a much better option than both defensively and definitively better than IKF offensively. And if age is a concern, coincidentally most of his numbers align with his career averages, so it appears he’s still performing to his norm.
Perhaps most importantly, he’s durable. He played 143 games last season too.
Poster formerly known as . . .
If you look at Andrus’s career numbers, the picture isn’t as rosy. Last year was an outlier for him. He had only two other seasons with a wRC+ that wasn’t below league average, 2016 and 2017. I’m not confident that he’ll repeat his 2022 season at age 34. At least I wouldn’t put a lot of money on the gamble — but then, he shouldn’t cost all that much.
Over their careers, Iglesias’s wRC+ is a point higher, and looking at their career fWARs, it needs to be noted that Andrus has had twice as many plate appearances. In his short stint with the Red Sox in 2021, Iglesias did very well, and it’s where his career began, so they know he’s comfortable playing in Boston, for what that’s worth.
Andrus is the better player, I guess, but I’m not sure he’s a much better bet. Over their careers, Iglesias has hit better at Fenway.
Yankee Clipper
That’s a great point. Iglesias also had an outstanding half-season, or whatever it was, when he was traded to Boston. Honestly, with their IF right now they could scoop both up. Probably get both for under $10MM combined for the season.
But Iglesias did do extremely well in that environment.
Poster formerly known as . . .
That wouldn’t be a bad idea at all, getting both. The could always unload one or another at the trade deadline, especially if another team’s shortstop gets hurt.
Yankee Clipper
Suit: Also, when are you going to make the switch? You’re a Yankee fan trapped in a Red Sox fan’s body, I just know it. Just break out, my friend. Own it, live it, be it. Yankees Land is waiting for you.
olmtiant
Don’t do it SUIT!!!! They have nothing to offer but money/ winning and making Redsox fans lives miserable ( ok last one was pre 2004 in my case) since then… not so much….
all in the suit that you wear
LOL! You guys are funny.
Yankee Clipper
See? And we are funny! That’s like the cherry on top.
olmtiant
Suit….funny???? Like a clown??? ….. ah this stuff rights itself….Lol….
PulledaBloom
Pink – They shouldn’t trade for a SS. They have Mayer coming and they can wait because they will own the cellar until he arrives.
Any trade to get a SS is a total waste of money. Go get young OFers or a 3B if you want to look forward and improve the future Red Sox.
hitman32
Ok it’s time that Bloom at least makes an attempt to have the BoSox get a .500 season….go sign:
Jose Iglesias – SS
Odubel Herrera – CF
*these so Kike can play 2b, ss or cf as needed, but he has to be in the lineup.
Michael Wacha & Danny Duffy – SP
*in hopes that Duff can pitch by June
Gotta try to salvage something together for the 2023 season….
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I could see signing Iglesias or trading for Ha-Seong Kim. One of those scenarios could work for the position.
PulledaBloom
Pedey – Why? Will they be a difference maker? A one-year deal is fine but no trading players unless it’s Kike.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I didn’t say difference maker, but filling the position with excellent defense and a semi-adequate bat, yes. Our hitting was so bad last year I honestly think either would be an upgrade, even if slightly.
olmtiant
Drastic times mean drastic measures!!!!! Spike Owen!!!…. Do not trade Houek… again one of the few homegrown pitchers in last 30 years who seems decent…. ( not named Lester or Pap) and for Gods sake’s not Braiser for Tatis . Thank you for your time ….
30 Parks
Bloom has no vision and seems entirely unable to evaluate talent – the Peter Principle on display.
Dave Aylward
If you know the principle you must realize he is no on the Postulate.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Pete Giuerrero?
PulledaBloom
This news of Story being out does not impact where Boston will finish. It speaks volumes to all the mistakes made by Bloom but can only hurt the Red Sox if Bloom wastes money on trying to fix the situation. As of today, the Bloominator has killed the 2024 payroll and the 2023 payroll. Let’s protect the 2025 payroll as if it’s the most precious thing on earth.
The Yoshida deal will hurt for years so a new GM might be able to deal him to reduce the Bloom mistake. The Jansen mistake drops off after 2024. The Devers mistake will haunt at least 2 more GMs after 2025. The Story mistake will last through 2027. That’s it.
Otherwise, the future payroll is clear of burdens as of today. Sale will be gone after 2025. Both Mayer and Yorke could be all-star level players by 2026. Devers may still be able to hit in 2026. And many of the young stars in the minors might become all-stars by 2026.
In 2020 when Mookie was dealt I pointed out that Boston wouldn’t be competitive for a ring until at least 2025. That’s coming true because 2021 was not a RING opportunity. It was a fluke. Over performances by DD’s guys that end later than it should have. Bloom has probably provided this organization with at least 2 if not 3 top 5 picks in the draft over his lame tenure as GM.
All fans can do is pay the enormously high prices to see bottom 5 talent at one of the most storied venues in baseball. That can’t change thanks to Bloom until at least 2025.
I told you so for all those that mocked me when I stated it after the 2020 GIVEAWAY of Mookie Betts. At that time, I could not have imagined the enormity of Blooms failures. Dumping the entire 2018 roster within 3 years is even more aggressively bad than I could have predicted.
At this point, all we can do is cheer on the individual players, hope for miracles like in 2021 and pray for Bloom to be fired sooner rather than later.
PulledaBloom
This news of Story being out does not impact where Boston will finish. It speaks volumes to all the mistakes made by Bloom but can only hurt the Red Sox if Bloom wastes money on trying to fix the situation. As of today, the Bloominator has killed the 2024 payroll and the 2023 payroll. Let’s protect the 2025 payroll as if it’s the most precious thing on earth.
The Yoshida deal will hurt for years so a new GM might be able to deal him to reduce the Bloom mistake. The Jansen mistake drops off after 2024. The Devers mistake will haunt at least 2 more GMs after 2025. The Story mistake will last through 2027. That’s it.
Otherwise, the future payroll is clear of burdens as of today. Sale will be gone after 2025. Both Mayer and Yorke could be all-star level players by 2026. Devers may still be able to hit in 2026. And many of the young stars in the minors might become all-stars by 2026.
In 2020 when Mookie was dealt I pointed out that Boston wouldn’t be competitive for a ring until at least 2025. That’s coming true because 2021 was not a RING opportunity. It was a fluke. Over performances by DD’s guys that ended later than it should have. Bloom has probably provided this organization with at least 2 if not 3 top 5 picks in the draft over his lame tenure as GM.
All fans can do is pay the enormously high prices to see bottom 5 talent at one of the most storied venues in baseball. That can’t change thanks to Bloom until at least 2025.
I told you so for all those that mocked me when I stated it after the 2020 GIVEAWAY of Mookie Betts. At that time, I could not have imagined the enormity of Blooms failures. Dumping the entire 2018 roster within 3 years is even more aggressively bad than I could have predicted.
At this point, all we can do is cheer on the individual players, hope for miracles like in 2021 and pray for Bloom to be fired sooner rather than later.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Wow, freckin dire not unlike the Banshees of Ishierin
Dumpster Divin Theo
Meh. Bosox will be okay, they resigned Devers to solidify the left side defense so should be set until Story comes back. Till then they can make do with some grindy Dustin Holt Brock Pedroya guy