The Red Sox were dealt a brutal blow this week with the news that infielder Trevor Story, who’d been preparing for a move from second base to shortstop in the wake of Xander Bogaerts’ free-agent departure, required an internal brace procedure to repair the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow. Story felt discomfort late last month when ramping up his throwing program, and subsequent testing revealed enough damage that surgery was required.
Chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom met with reporters following the announcement yesterday, ominously declining to put a timeline on the injury while noting that a return in 2023, while not something that can be ruled out, is “not something, at this stage, that we want to bank on” (link via Julian McWilliams and Alex Speier of the Boston Globe). The prospect of losing Story for the entire 2023 season only further serves to create urgency for the Red Sox to strengthen their up-the-middle core.
Bloom acknowledged that even before Story’s injury, he’d been in the market for at least one up-the-middle player. The versatility afforded by both Story (who can play either middle infield position) and Enrique Hernandez (who can play second base and center field) left Bloom free to explore a variety of options. Now, likely needing a pair of external additions, it’d seem likely the Sox can cast an even wider net. Bloom, in fact, suggested that the search for up-the-middle additions “doesn’t even need to be limited to two” players, Speier tweets.
The center field market has been thin all offseason, which at least on paper would make a pair of infield additions an easier course to chart. The Athletic’s Jen McCaffrey points out that Bloom implied that the preference may be for right-handed bats, given the glut of lefties already on the roster (e.g. Rafael Devers, Masataka Yoshida, Alex Verdugo, Triston Casas, Reese McGuire). That said, the free-agent market has already been largely picked over, so Boston won’t necessarily be able to be as selective as the front office might prefer.
There are still some right-handed-hitting middle infield options available in free agency, with Elvis Andrus, Josh Harrison, Donovan Solano and Jose Iglesias topping the list. On the trade front both Miami’s Miguel Rojas and Colorado’s Brendan Rodgers have at least been mentioned on the rumor circuit this offseason, though Rodgers only in connection with the Marlins’ bevy of MLB-ready young pitching.
Things are more sparse in center field, where the options are generally limited to veterans who could be available on minor league deals (e.g. Kevin Pillar, old friend Jackie Bradley Jr.). Bryan Reynolds, of course, headlines a thin trade market for outfielders. It should be further noted that the Sox aren’t likely to exclusively focus on righty bats, any such preferences notwithstanding. They’ve previously been linked to Marlins infielder Joey Wendle, for instance, and given the diminished state of the trade and free-agent markets, an openness to adding at least one other lefty bat gives them more flexibility.
Middle infield and center field aren’t the lone areas of focus for the Sox, either, as Bloom voiced a continued desire to acquire “impact” starting pitching — particularly arms who can be controlled for several years (Twitter link via Speier). That’s sensible, given that the current rotation — Chris Sale, James Paxton, Nick Pivetta, Corey Kluber and Garrett Whitlock — is teeming with uncertainty, even with a touted arm like Brayan Bello waiting in the wings.
The slate of middle-infield and controllable pitching needs does make the Marlins a natural fit in trade talks, though all indications have been that the Sox are reluctant to part with top prospects like Casas, Bello and Marcelo Mayer. That doesn’t close the door on a trade entirely, of course, but it certainly complicates matters. Other speculative trade partners with ample infield and/or rotation depth include the Brewers, Royals and Guardians.
Whatever path the Red Sox explore, they’re in a difficult situation. Needing a pair of up-the-middle position players at this stage of the offseason, with a thin set of options in both free agency and trade, is challenging enough. But the organization’s best trade chips are young, near-MLB-ready talents they’d prefer not to move, and payroll projections from Roster Resource put them only about $22MM shy of reaching the luxury threshold for a second straight season. Add in an ongoing search for controllable rotation help, and it’ll be challenging, to say the least, for the Sox to check all of their preferred boxes (controllable starter, multiple infield/center field options, hang onto top prospects, avoid repeat offense of luxury tax). Even if they’re able to do so, it’ll be a tough battle for them in a competitive AL East.
redsox for_life
No more Bradley please!! Take Profar and Andrus
Ketch
Profar would be great, but I think his “up the middle” days are in the rear view mirror. Think he could handle 2b?
deweybelongsinthehall
Would rather have JBJ for defense in center, let Hernandez man short, sign Iglesias to play second and use Arroyo to allow Hernandez to slide back in center when lefties pitch with Iglesias moving to short. In spring training also give the young outfielders a chance to beat out JBJ. I still don’t think Duran has the arm or ability to play CF but make no moves this year that will exceed the taxes or give up their near ready kids. Duran has value last year but not now. Casas and others need to hit MLB pitching and the team is not good enough to trade the future for players who will be using up a key year of control.
GASoxFan
You can’t fill the team with low average low power hitters who play defense and win.
And, there’s so many low average, 20-30hr types that when you get a hr nobody is on base. And, when you’ve got someone on base they strike out.
Everyone questioned story’s arm before he signed for an overpay in boston. Then, after Bogey was cut loose into FA so many of us said story was going to hurt himself trying to play SS. Now, he didn’t even make it that far and hurt himself trying to ramp up to TRY playing SS.
This whole situation was a result of Bloom’s mismanagement of the roster from top to bottom over the past 4 years. 10/2019-???? An expanding dark age for Red Sox baseball.
User 4245925809
That’s just it Dewey. Kike is as good now (maybe better) than JBJ is at this stage and who wants to stick Kike at SS, where he’d be below average defensively and have to pay JBJ probably 3-4m to stink at the plate?
Why not just let Kike play CF, bring in iglesias for that 3-4m, maybe try and see if Simmons is willing to sign for half that with salary escalators. He can still play a tight defensive SS and his bat is no worse than that of Bradley’s.
Not completely out of the picture (to me) that Rafaela could have a superb ST and skip AAA. He’s going to chase pitches play a season there or not. I could see him breaking camp and playing the IF.
deweybelongsinthehall
Again, he has followed orders. Henry etal. would not have paid Devers if they could have avoided. Ownership is not going over the threshold and the team needs to much to count on a good year. Miracles happen but the team should not hurt in 24.
GASoxFan
I STRONGLY doubt that what you’ve seen the last 3 season, and 4 offseason, are what Henry has ordered. If he wanted losing ballclubs he wouldn’t have gone over the CBT to do it. And if he wanted draft picks and prospects, he wouldn’t have gone just over cbt to blow the comp picks this offseason.
runningred
Absolutely spot on!!! It’s time to move on from Shaim Doom!!
deweybelongsinthehall
Henry looks at financials. The Sox choked in 11, finished last in 12, won in 13, finished last in 14 and 15, then had a string of at least the division or better, then again last in 20 (I don’t count it but others do) and last again in 22. Under different GMs and managers. Inconsistent teams but consistently healthy profits that they’re now using elsewhere when they can get away with it.
123redsox
Rafaela played 21 games at short in 2022 and 16 in 2021. Meanwhile he’s played 92 in center in 2022 and 52 in center in 2021. If Rafaela were to break camp, it would be as either an outfielder or UTL player. No way he would be the starting shortstop opening day
123redsox
How were they going to get under the tax without a riot? Sale had no trade value, Betts was dealt with Price as a salary dump. Bogaerts being dealt would have caused a riot. They’ve given out one contract more than 15 mill in FA and that was to Story. This season they will be under the tax. It’s not about winning anymore for Henry
deweybelongsinthehall
JBJ is only getting the minimum if he gets an MLB job and I’m not so sure Hernandez is as good in center or as poor at short as you mentioned but I can live with both Simmons and Iglesias. I just don’t see team getting both.
deweybelongsinthehall
Would rather have JBJ for defense in center, let Hernandez man short, sign Iglesias to play second and use Arroyo to allow Hernandez to slide back in center when lefties pitch with Iglesias moving to short. In spring training also give the young outfielders a chance to beat out JBJ. I still don’t think Duran has the arm or ability to play CF but make no moves this year that will exceed the taxes or give up their near ready kids. Duran had value last year but not now. Casas and others need to hit MLB pitching and the team is not good enough to trade the future for players who will be using up a key year of control.
JV
What is this …..the Marlins we are talking about? The lineup you’re suggesting would get beat 5-1 all year long. You cannot sustain a competitive team in the AL East with 5 guys hitting .235 5hr 40rbi. Cannot be done unless your rotation has a handful of #1’s
deweybelongsinthehall
23 should not at this point be the primary concern. Set payroll now so there are better options next year and make moves with 24 in mind.
bostonbob
No more JBJ. He is done and so is his arm.
SoxRule
Who would those 5 guys be? The 1-6 we have power hitters, 20+ a year. It won’t be hard to improve on JD’s production last year. Bogaerts had a decent year but his hitting and fielding has declined, none of the fans I know wanted any part of him for 11 years. He’s 30.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
As much as I loved JBJ, I would have to agree. His time here is done.
deweybelongsinthehall
PW. The team needs to solidify the up the middle defense. Otherwise the staff will be done by July. Duran simply cannot be trusted. Maybe the other kid forces the issue in spring training and JBJ gets cut. Do you see him getting a MLB contract for more than the minimum? It allows Hernandez and/or Iglesias (if signed) to handle the middle with Arroyo filling in.
GASoxFan
He hit .203 with 4hr last year. He didn’t even break a .575 ops.
Simply put, at the plate he was putrid.
No amounts of DRS he could possibly put up at this stage of his career make up for the absolute dead stick at the plate.
deweybelongsinthehall
That’s why he gets a shot in spring training. Even a minor league signing. He must know 23 is do or die for him as a major leaguer. How is that a negative? Everyone knows he can play the outfield still, especially in Boston. Rafaela can always steal the job in the spring. What’s a better plan? Kevin Pillar? Maybe sign him too.
SoxRule
He was injured, and then he had a great second half.
Read the friggin stats, geniuses.
GeezerGeek
profer at 3b and Solano a better hitter than Andrus at SS. Same church different pew.
Devlsh
And suddenly, they LOOK like a last place team.
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
Yeah. Suddenly.
GASoxFan
They looked like a last place team the moment bloom wasnt replaced as GM at season’s end
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
From what I’ve been reading, Boston was aware Story’s arm speed was deteriorating rapidly & you let XB get away? I’m not a BSOX fan, but this looks kinda doofy for Boston
GASoxFan
Just the latest blooper highlight reel moment for bloom as gm
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – Bloom is the cocky young guy that thinks he’s smarter than everyone else, and eventually proves he’s LESS smarter than everyone else. When Henry eventually cuts him loose, he will have a hard time finding another POBO gig.
deweybelongsinthehall
Disagree Fever. Only decision I fault him on is not resetting the taxes last year and who knows? Ownership could have told him not to give up on 22. Their record is on ownership, the drafts and accumulation of young talent is in Bloom. Just my take.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
@Fever what has Bloom said that makes him cocky?
Being wrong isn’t the same as being cocky.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – I wholeheartedly agree ownership has had a role in some of the bad big-dollar decisions, but Bloom’s track record on smaller deals is well documented. Bad trades, bad signings, bad roster construction.
And without question if Bloom had told Henry “Instead of giving $140M to Story, let’s give Xander $160M” Henry would have approved.
He even admitted his total failure putting together last year’s bullpen, which is the main reason why this offseason he moved quickly in improving it.
Fever Pitch Guy
pedey – When Xander opted out, Bloom said “It’s disappointing.”.
He insulted the guy by offering $50M less than what he just gave Story, and he didn’t put forth much of an effort to sign him all year, and yet he’s trying to make Xander look like the bad guy for rejecting the remaining $60M on his contract? Pure arrogance.
That’s just one example.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
@Fever that makes him look bad at his job but I wouldn’t say that proves he’s cocky. Way off if you ask me. Cocky implies over confidence. Never saw that in this situation.
SoxRule
We don’t give out ridiculous contracts for 11 years for a declining 30 year old shortstop who was terrible in the field in 2021 and was barely average last year. Hitting has gone down too.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
@Fever I agree with you on Bloom’s lackluster job but I still don’t get how he’s cocky. I’ve heard your reasons too (about Bogaerts) which makes zero sense to me. You’re right about him not doing a spectacular job (though 2023 will really dictate that), but cocky? I’m not buying that. I’ve heard the guy talk and he doesn’t strike me as someone who is cocky. Cocky also has a negative connotation, and even if he has a slightly “I’m better than you” mentality, I wouldn’t consider it cocky until he sounds like a bully.
olmtiant
Guys and Gals I get it .. this season AS of now looks to be brutal at best but there is a light at end of the tunnel ( and no not a freight train) I agree with most not give up much if your going to trade for ss… but let’s be positive for one minute. Mayer/ Bello/ Yorke/ Casas/houek/ ( I’m not giving up on Durran yet, made mistake on Petey in 07) that’s a nice bit of talent and I didn’t even throw C R in … I was at last day game vs orioles ( thank you JD) and the program said dumpster fire of a year( picture) and it was and this year probably but hey I do hear the fire truck in the distance… keep the faith NATION!!!
GASoxFan
The problem with getting overhyped on those guys you name is they’re essentially untapped talent.
Houck is the best of the bunch because he has done SOMETHING at a mlb level, the rest are statistically more likely to BUST than become even replacement level players.
But even Houck hasn’t developed even one additional pitch, and, needs to. Somebody needs to get him something more to work with along with that slider.
olmtiant
GAS… yup I agree.. I’m the guy who believes the most overrated word in sports is potential… but as of right now it’s all I got… That and my buddy Braiser is still on the team!!!
GASoxFan
It’s just too bad Brasier wouldn’t share whatever dirt he has on Bloom/Henry with Bogey. Otherwise xman would still be on the team and story wouldn’t matter.
william-2
Sox just do not draft and develop many high-end pitchers. It’s been that way for over 50 years of my life. There are too many people up top during that time to blame individuals but as a franchise it’s amazing to watch some teams that are top notch at fixing reclamations or in house prospects, some that have minors filled with developing pitching that yields MLB talent over and over and wonder what the hell is wrong with the Sox evaluation guys and pitching program.
I posted a couple of times the top guys that were developed by the team since the 1960’s that made major impacts for the team and the list could be written on a pamphlet. There are teams that develop and fix guys that make their MLB rosters nearly every year. Before anyone takes offense. I am not talking about mid to lower tier guys that may have one or two passable years. I am talking about impact pitchers that don’t force you to go through baseball prospectus to try to remember who they were, and if the Sox even developed them at all. In most cases the Sox needed to go get a pitcher someone else evaluated, drafted, and developed that panned out.
olmtiant
Willam… couldn’t agree more.. after Lester and Pap you have to go way back… Aaron Sele/ Jeff Suppan.. nice players but not one/ two or even a three.. of course Roger and not positive on Hurst but he’ll mine as well go all the way back to Cy….
123redsox
Casas is a major league first baseman, Bello is a major league starter. Mayer is in the low minors. Same with Bleis. Yorke struggled upon promotion possibly due to injury. Not all the prospects are going to turn out to be something. It is Bloom’s job to identify who is for real and deal the guys that aren’t for the max return. The issue here is that he hasn’t and instead there is talk of Kike moving back to short to begin the season and a cocky auto k outfielder that can’t catch a fly ball or throw a baseball in center
AL34
Absolutely correct. This franchise cannot develop pitching. I wrote a letter to Lou Gorman back in the late 1980s and said that to him.
Claydagoat
Do you think about Brasier while in bed?
olmtiant
Not think…. Dream…..
GASoxFan
My guess is brasier has lots of balls in your dreams… and a problem controlling himself.
Claydagoat
Ok, so you’re thinking about Brasier;s balls.
Cool..
Probably seemed funny when you typed it.
olmtiant
Not probably…..
olmtiant
On a pitch count… like sheep….
william-2
That sounds like the symptom’s part of an ED commercial
Fever Pitch Guy
Al – Those ’80’s teams had such a tremendous offense, if only ownership had spent some money on pitching the Sox could have been the team of the 80’s.
SoxRule
Completely wrong.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Well “looks” is one thing, “progress” is another. Let’s see how this plays out.
olmtiant
Strike three on the outside corner…..
FenwayFanatic
What about Iglesias?
GASoxFan
The problem there is even though he has always overperformed at fenway, and, is cheap, analytics look down on his abilities as a SS.
Bloom won’t even wipe his butt in a toilet stall without an iPhone analytics readout telling him whether to use left or right hand and how many sheets off the roll.
This one belongs to the Reds
Analytics are for losers who can’t use their eyes.
God Help Us All
Not good at math, are you?
Jurassic Carl
No just know how to actually throw a baseball, don’t need to read a manual beforehand.
mlb1225
Iglesias isn’t the defender he once was. He is a 33-year-old shortstop, so it’s not like athleticism-related regression is so uncommon, but he was league average in outs above average and +3.1 in UZR/150. Really, only 2021 his only below average season with the glove. Might benefit from a move to 2B, but he can still play a good enough shortstop.
overdamonstah
Their most pressing need is a new GM that is even remotely competent.
GASoxFan
You know what would be an interesting experiment, and, couldn’t turn out any worse than what we’ve got? What if you had an old school US PBO like DD, and, your brought over a GM from NPB.
Devlsh
And suddenly they LOOK like a last place team, minus Bogaerts, Story and with minimal improvements.
kyredsox17
Yeah. Suddenly.
*copy/paste*
GASoxFan
Because having actually BEEN a last place team, now they only begin to look like one?
PulledaBloom
Devish = Was I asleep? When was there an improvement? You mean the expensive closer who will have next to no opportunities? Or the LF who can’t field, run or speak Spanish? Should be fun to watch Devers running out to left on a pop-up and Yoshida running in from left calling for the ball. That could be a circus act!!!
No, lots of huge subtractions with no meaningful additions because too much was lost after the season to be slightly competitive.
GASoxFan
Maybe Devers will choose to learn Japanese instead of english
swanhenge
Pokey Reese is NOT walking through that door!!
miltpappas
And if he is, he’s gonna be old and grey.
GASoxFan
Still doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be an upgrade, and, cheap at that, blooms lifelong favorite thing.
Jrnomo100
Trade you dejong for Barnes.
thecrocusesareinbloom
Not if you’d been watching Barnes for the last season and a half, you wouldn’t. But sure! We’ll take him!
Jrnomo100
They both need a new team
miltpappas
Barnes wasn’t that bad the second half of last season. It’s like when Mark Melancon had that one awful year with the Sox. Take away his first 4 or 5 appearances and his ERA was in the high threes.
Jrnomo100
Barnes and dejong are also most the same in salary
Ketch
DeJong could be had for salary relief. Or, more to Bloom’s style, prospect relief, like he did with Ottavino.
GASoxFan
Likewise, Barnes should be available for either salary or prospect relief
Ketch
Barnes finished the season very strong.
GASoxFan
So did the smell of my last bowel movement. Doesn’t mean either is desirable or that I want either one hanging around.
thecrocusesareinbloom
Something about the way this article states its speculations makes subtly clear just how directionless Bloom’s offseason strategy has been. “The preference may be for…”; “likely needing a pair of external additions…”; “won’t necessarily be able to be as selective…”; “any such preferences notwithstanding…”; “that’s sensible…” I’m telling you, it’s Pulitzer-winning journalism when you manage to make fun of an entire organization by simply reporting facts.
Samuel
bloomkeepsmeupatnight;
That is the style in which all MLBTR article are written. The same buzzphrases all the writers use – looking at options from all sides,
This is a national MLB site. Not about one specific franchise.
Read it a while and it’ll grow on you.
P.S. The Sox have a plan, and getting to the WS in 2023 is not it….and wasn’t before the injuries.
thecrocusesareinbloom
Just to clarify, I’m commenting on the fact that Bloom’s moves are so baffling that even straightforward news articles about them read comedically. Not critiquing Steve Adams, and am perfectly aware of how journalism works. No need to be patronizing. 🙂
GASoxFan
The sox plan in ’23, as it was in years prior was to be in a position they could field a roughly .500 team in future years at a depressed salary so FSG can pay off debt they’d take on to buy an NFL or NBA franchise.
When there was overperformance in ’21 it upset the apple cart and needed to be kicked down to size, first by not augmenting to support winning, then, when, downgrading the next season roster when they won to a degree in spite of it
stubby66
Hell we will trade you Winkers, Urias, Tellez and Huira for Casa, Bello and Binales.
Samuel
stubby66;
They’ll trade you Refsnyder and Verdugo for Logan and Rodriguez. That way you can play Kelenic in CF since Julio is holding him back….and it’s a cryin’ shame.
BaseballisLife
My wife has been screaming at Bloom for weeks. Sometimes I think he could hear her all the way from Jupiter.
When she heard this news she was apoplectic. “Another season in last place and I will personally go to Fenway and ‘fire’ him.”
I think she was talking about firing AT him. I’m betting other Sox fans feel the same.
Samuel
BaseballisLife;
What your wife needs to do is buy the franchise. Because the owner hasn’t seen fit to fire the man.
Ask Mr. Henry if he’ll take one of your credit cards.
BaseballisLife
Not quite at the $3 billion level of cash on hand. If he would take $3 million and a promissory note I would cut the check today.
GASoxFan
BOS needs to go to the GB Packers model.
We sell individual shares to fans, limit ownership quantity, and place all voting tights in trust to be exercised by a board of trustees. Guarantee fenway for perpetuity. Allow RSN to have recall rights against any PBO, GM, or Manager.
$10k per share, I think we could raise $3b easily.
Fever Pitch Guy
Life – You go to FanFest last Saturday? Can’t wait for Feb 28!
BaseballisLife
Im in Jupiter Fl. Wife is from Mass and a diehard Sox fanatic.
Pitchers and catchers report on Feb 14th. A holiday in our house.
Fever Pitch Guy
Life – FanFest was at Roger Dean, and Feb 28 the Sox are at Roger Dean.
BaseballisLife
Seriously? We were at a wedding Saturday.
baseballteam
BaseballisLife: Your wife wants to go to Fenway to “fire” Bloom?
SteveZ
I find it hard to believe Bloom will really trade for a genuinely impactful player. More likely he’ll bring in cheap pieces to patch up this poorly assembled group, which was already sub-par for a playoff run before Story went down.
GASoxFan
Maybe he will trade for cordero, again, and put him in at SP.
Before you scoff too hard, bloom trading for/signing cordero to play him in positions he’s utterly unqualified for has happened before…
Samuel
SteveZ;
Name some players the Red Sox have that can bring in “a genuinely impactful player” in trade.
BaseballisLife
Devers. Mayer. Bello.
GASoxFan
Houck, Whitlock, Casas, Rafaela, Jordan
mcase7187
Or maybe one of the many infield prospects he acquired in just about ever trade he’s made so far is actually a real MLB player (ya right) they were so happy when he traded a 30+HR guy for 17+m (JBJ) outfielder and 2 garbage infield prospect Bloom should’ve been fired tey minute the owners saw what he got (for at the time ) the 2nd best player in baseball all because he wanted to get price out also
Samuel
mcase7187;
Again…..
The “2nd best player in baseball” didn’t want to play in Boston anymore, and no other team offered more in trade than the Dodgers.
Reality can be your friend.
GASoxFan
Nobody knows everyone who offered more or less than the dodgers except for people on blooms payroll.
Just like people have differing value on players. People have differing value on salary relief.
Sox were under CBT without attaching Price. That’s a FACT.
Bloom squandered the extra salary relief he picked up by including price on meaningless lottery ticket reclamation projects that added NOTHING to the sox either in short or long term.
Was a better return available without including Price? ABSOLUTELY.
JoeBrady
Was a better return available without including Price?
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Had we kept Price and his $16M salary in 2021, then we likely miss the playoffs. Money still counts.
That said, it good to have you back. After you didn’t show up for the Devers signing thread, I wondered what happened to you. But now that Story is injured, I see 17 posts in this tiny thread alone.
GASoxFan
Thanks Joe.
Wound up with a bit of garage crunch. Went into overdrive. My semi-retirement hobby has been split between classic cars and getting into vinification. Got a call to go buy three 1986 Pontiac GP 2+2 cars for a $2800pkg including extra parts. Unfortunately, had a monte carlo ss carcass to strip and chop into scrap metal or there wouldn’t be space.
This weekend I get to pick up 120 rabbiteye bushes that need to go in the ground between the vine and peach sections as well. Planting season is here in these parts….
But, yeah, missed getting to participate on that and some other threads.
As for baseball content here, I don’t think you can say that about 2021 at all. You’d just have fewer reclamation projects that didn’t contribute, and, price out of the bullpen may have actually improved the playoff run. Then again, maybe with another year less on the contract, maybe he gets flipped then on his own? Who knows.
P.S… did you actually count to see there were 17 posts?
Claydagoat
You telling people about your cars and some random shrubbery on a Red Sox board is pretty much all I need to know about you.
JoeBrady
1986 Pontiac GP 2+2
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Nice hobby. I occasionally wish I had at least some mechanical skills, since I love some of the older cars. LMK when you get a 1968 AMC Javelin in mint condition. I always liked the old Chevelles, but their pricing has gotten a little out of hand.
GASoxFan
With something that old, heck, up through rwd 80s even, you can take apart 95% of the car with nothing more than craftsman hand tools. I was self taught, had a car get wrecked when I was in college without money to fix it, so, bought a $50 parts car and a tool set and had at it. If you’ve got space, you can’t mess anything up you can’t fix the same way. And, these days, you can replace much welding with panel bond if need be, aka a caulk gun with really strong glue.
I always tell people, if it amuses you and you’ve got a couple hundred bucks, give it a go. Even if it doesn’t work out you didn’t lose anything, the residual parts you could sell off it are likely worth more than the cost of the car if you buy it right. And, unlike baseball comment boards, there’s far fewer a-holes around the hobby (but yes, still some) and most diehards will talk your ear off.
southern lion
Elvis Andrus?
Astros2017&22Champs
Did anybody not foresee this Story injury news? He’s been hurt for 2 years. Terrible situation.
GASoxFan
Anyone without a mancrush on bloom or on his payroll saw this coming in the 2021-22 offseason.
miltpappas
You either consider rushing Yorke or tracking down Tzu-Wei Lin.
Fever Pitch Guy
milt – I’d choose Yorke.
No win with Lin.
soxshortstop
Would Kike at SS, Arroyo at 2B and Duran in CF work for the year? If you are going to be in last place, might as well try Duran and Casa all year – no interruptions. Agree no more JBJ. Can Bobby D be your UTIL guy? He has played all positions.
machurucuto
Andrus would be a good addition.
sinjin5
Let Mayer cut his teeth in the bigs
bigbatflip
Awful idea. Mayer is at least a year away developmentally, rushing him would hinder that development AND you would be burning a year of service time for a club that won’t be competing this year. If he’s as good as the Sox think he’ll be, that year of service time could be worth something like $15-20M.
Mayer is the SS of the future, not the present.
It doesn’t feel very sexy, but the smart move would be to sign a stop-gag SS for a year, Iglesias or Andrews maybe, and then look forward to Mayer in 2024.
inkstainedscribe
I know it’s a typo, but “stop-gag shortstop” made me chuckle.
Thec’s
Unless the rotation holds up! This is a last place team!
mustache101
I don’t know bostons system but by chance do they have a 3rd baseman in the upper minors that devers may have blocked? Milwaukee needs 3rd base help at the major league level….they have an abundance of starting pitching and a bunch of glove first versatile infielders although none that they would be willing to move have much of a bat…. If not a 3rd baseman maybe two low level prospects with a low floor high ceiling lottery ticket that don’t require a 40 spot for houser he’s not an ace but a solid #3-4…. Maybe a Cruz/Binelas and another low level flyer for houser and t. Taylor (both come with control) who can play center??…
GASoxFan
The 3B prospect Devers was blocking was Casas. Dalbec was supposed to be the 1b. Chavis the 2b.
You can see how that worked out.
Now they’ve got Casas penciled in at 1B instead, and, nothing of note for a corner infield left.
mustache101
These two teams have a track record of working together I’m not saying they will make a deal by any means but they line up as good partners… I honestly just looked at your prospects before I made up that mythical trade…
JoeBrady
GASoxFan1 hour ago
The 3B prospect Devers was blocking was Casas.
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Casas has only 9 career starts at 3rd (with three errors). He was never going to be Devers heir apparent.
GASoxFan
Joe, you’re referencing his first ever (and only) start as an 18 year old in rookie gulf coast league ball and his 8 early South Atlantic A level ball starts as a 19 year old the following season.
Neither of those speak to his ability to go to 3B as a more developed player who has the jitters worked out.
You can bet that had they liked what they saw out of dalbec better at 1B that casas was expected to go to 3B. What he was never viewed as was the 2b/ss of the future.
PulledaBloom
JoeBrady – Was your point that his defense was better than Devers? hahaha
Chavis was drafted in the first round as a 3B but never got a chance to beat out Devers. Both were terrible in the minors defensively so neither should have gotten the job. Devers was bad at age 16 in the Dominican and at age 17 in the Red Sox organization but nobody seemed to care since he was declared the future face of the franchise by the Latin biased farm system director and the Latin biased managers especially the clown at AA.
The nepotism and racial bias has long been a problem and continues to be. Nobody in their right mind would play Devers at 3B after 8 years of failure but they do. That’s a systemic problem. The organization needs fresh, unbiased blood in it. 3 years to the day from the Mookie giveaway Bloom should be fired along with Cora and the entire front office including the metrics people, the coaches and all long-time personnel.
Bring in an experienced GM who can bring his own people to all key positions and give him a chance to quickly reverse the curse of Bloom. Provide the GM with the CAP for money and tell him not to exceed it but to buy at least 6 all-star quality players by 2024. He can trade Yoshida who is worthless. He can trade Story since he’s not the future at SS and he can go find a brand new OF, Catchers and move Devers to DH and get a real 3B. Casas and Dalbec should continue to battle for a permanent spot at 1B and/or bench power hitter and the pitching staff will need a manager who understands pitching like Farrell did. Maybe, Sale could be salvaged without Cora and if not, he just needs to get good enough to trade in a salary dump for prospects.
JoeBrady – 2023 will be a high draft pick for 2024 but more importantly the fan base really needs hope and that only comes from firing Bloom.
Jurassic Carl
What a racist trailer trash response bravo…your mother and father are really brother and sister so enjoy….inbred.
Bruin1012
Are you honestly still arguing for Chavis “ I can’t hit a high fastball to save my life” over Devers. Let me tell you that ship sailed you were wrong about Chavis yet you are still arguing that tired argument.
How do you know Yoshida is worthless I mean seriously I’m willing to bet you have never seen him play. I haven’t either so I don’t know one way or the other and guess what neither do you.
I’m guessing Bloom is fired after this season he had a chance to put his stamp on things with more payroll then he has ever had to work with and the results have been entirely uninspiring so that you may have gotten right.
JoeBrady
Neither of those speak to his ability to go to 3B as a more developed player who has the jitters worked out.
You can bet that had they liked what they saw out of dalbec better at 1B that casas was expected to go to 3B.
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You can’t just decide to take a 23 year old 1B, with no experience at 3rd, and think you can teach him the position. Especially not a guy that is > 250 pounds.
And Dalbec was probably better at 3rd than at 1st.
JoeBrady
How do you know Yoshida is worthless I mean seriously I’m willing to bet you have never seen him play.
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That’s why I never opined on Yoshida. Like probably everyone in here, I’ve never seen him play. Nor is there any magical calculus to convert JPPL stats into major league stats. I like the fit, since we needed an OF and badly needed OBP.
But only the Haters would say someone is worthless, without ever having seen them play.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – if you were old enough to see Wade Boggs play for the Red Sox, you’d appreciate Yoshida a lot more. He is an On Base machine, fantastic plate discipline and great at making contact. Those are two skills that translate from Japan to MLB rather easily.
The one thing I dislike, his decision to play in the WBC. It’s his first spring training in the US, he should be spending the entire 6 weeks in Florida with the Sox. Bloom should have made it a requirement before giving the contract.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Baez is available.
Fever Pitch Guy
Saber – Joan Baez would be better than what the Sox have right now.
robb2103
Let Mayer play, what else could they lose.
bigbatflip
A year of his service time on what is looking like a fourth or fifth place team
GASoxFan
Rushing a guy in development can do more harm than good – cite to Blake Swihart, et al.
Development isn’t just something you stop, ir pause, like a VCR tape and pick up exactly where you were.
In the best of times it’s like a DVD and, if you’re lucky, that prospect is coded to resume in an individual track somewhat close but not quite where you left off with minimal repetition. If worse, then you lost where you were in the whole movie and start at ground zero
HighOnPineTar
“What else could they lose”
Their top prospect, Mayer…
Baseball Babe
The Sox are NoT going to compete this year, so stay under the luxury tax, shed salary if possible and keep all of their young bear mlb ready talent. Face reality and try to win the WS at SOME point in the span of Devers’ contract.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
Seems like the Sox are destined for last place.
30 Parks
What a train wreck – Chaim Bloom couldn’t run a two-person picnic. The impacts of Bloom’s careless leadership will take years to remedy.
Craigs Checkbook
230M payroll, and we don’t even have a decent SS or 2B, to go along with a mediocre at best OF, and a lame pitching staff.
I’m not sure I’ve seen anything quite as Pathetic as the Red Sox 2023.
GASoxFan
Impersonator alert!
We all know chaim’s checkbook never sees the light of day, let alone opens up to the outside world!
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – Did you ever watch Two and a Half Men?
Bloom reminds me of Alan, whenever he opens his wallet dust bunnies fall out.
GASoxFan
Yes sir, at least until they canned sheen. Didn’t watch it after that.
SoxRule
Di you ever read stats?
haymaker9
Seems the Royals match up well for a trade. Can send CF-Taylor(R) and SS-Mondesi(S) to the Sox. Then who would KC get in return?
GASoxFan
A guy named cash considerations.
PulledaBloom
haymaker9 – Temp solutions are good. Nothing beyond 2023. Mondesi usually gets hurt by mid season so he could split time with Story!!
I noticed that Arizona took on a bunch of new outfielders and several were guys I thought would improve the Red Sox outfield.
Trade with Arizona:
Give them Kike, Yoshida and Verdugo
And we’ll take Gurriel, Kyle Lewis and Alec Thomas!!
Samuel
haymaker9;
Welcome to Chaim’s World.
This one belongs to the Reds
You guys ought to trade for Farmer from the Twins now that they have Correa again.
soxshortstop
Well at least the RS will increase their farm ranking with another high draft pick coming in 2024. FARM SWEEPSTAKES!
BenBenBen
Soooooooooo many commas!
“Bloom, in fact, suggested that the search for up-the-middle additions ‘doesn’t even need to be limited to two’ players, Speier tweets.”
Whyyyyyy do people write like this? Stop interrupting yourself. Do this instead.
“In fact, Bloom suggested that the search for up-the-middle additions ‘doesn’t even need to be limited to two’ players, Speier tweets.”
And then…
“Bryan Reynolds, of course, headlines a thin trade market for outfielders.”
You can start a sentence with “of course.” It is allowed.
Jesus, this one is a mouthful, full of passive voice and non-content words:
“They’ve previously been linked to Marlins infielder Joey Wendle, for instance, and given the diminished state of the trade and free-agent markets, an openness to adding at least one other lefty bat gives them more flexibility.”
“For instance, rumors previously linked them to Marlins infielder Joey Wendle. Given the diminished state of the trade and free-agent markets, they may be open to adding another lefty bat for flexibility.”
Whew, so much easier to read. Steve’s gave me a nosebleed.
“Middle infield and center field aren’t the lone areas of focus for the Sox, either, as Bloom voiced a continued desire to acquire “impact” starting pitching — particularly arms who can be controlled for several years (Twitter link via Speier)”
No comma is needed before “either.” Stop doing this. They just convolute the sentence even more.
“Add in an ongoing search for controllable rotation help, and it’ll be challenging, to say the least, for the Sox to check all of their preferred boxes (controllable starter, multiple infield/center field options, hang onto top prospects, avoid repeat offense of luxury tax).”
This is just ugly. Split it into two sentences, please. Or just put the crux of the sentence first instead of burying it.
“It will be challenging to complete an ongoing search for controllable rotation help, alongside adding multiple infield/CF options, without becoming a repeat luxury tax offender or trading top prospects.”
HIRE. AN. EDITOR. PLEASE.
GASoxFan
If it, in fact, bothers you so much, perhaps you ought seek your baseball content elsewhere, which, could, much as it is here, also happen to be free to you at no monetary cost.
This isn’t a grammar site, and, many people of certain educational backgrounds write in passive voice as a relative standard practice within their industry. When switching tracks they keep that aspect with them.
You know what is the most annoying? Grammar secret police
BenBenBen
Stopped reading when it became clear that you too cannot use commas.
GASoxFan
If it, in fact, bothers you so much, perhaps you ought seek your baseball content elsewhere, which, could, much as it is here, also happen to be free to you at no monetary cost.
This isn’t a grammar site, and, many people of certain educational backgrounds write in passive voice as a relative standard practice within their industry. When switching tracks they keep that aspect with them.
You know what is the most annoying? Grammar police
Goose
And the Sox organization will still keep slapping lipstick on this pig. This was a complete tear down and rebuild from scratch but they never wanted to admit it to keep interest and ticket sales up. This is more than Bloom but ownership and the organization in general.
How else do you finish last in the AL East and make the team WORSE and then say you improved the team? I
The canary in the coal mine before the 22 season was Jansen was available after the lockout. The Sox needed a closer BADLY. The Braves got him cheap. The Sox didn’t make a play. Now this offseason they sign Jansen.
They are either selling the team or they are aiming at going after Ohtani next year and then starting to sign and deal to start the finished reboot or they are selling the team. The rumor is after they sold the soccer team is they are selling the Red Sox and going to purchase the Washington Redksins.
KingOmar
I love watching the Red Sox implode.
baseballteam
I’m a Red Sox fan and will also enjoy the 2023 disaster because the decisions have been so awful, it’s just best to sit back and enjoy the six month slow motion train wreck.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Times have changed. The investors want expansion because they are making money hand over fist.
Teams never used to operate that way because fans had a lot more gumption to display their displeasure publicly.
Boston, kinda sorta remembers the way fans used to be…..everywhere else, fans are just pretty much docile and passive……
Owners and privileged Ivy League GMs have decided the public are just a bunch of pigeons and have no qualm with treating faithful customers as stupid fools.
Best Screenname Ever
Difficult as it is, I’d like to trade within the division. My dream target, left hand bat or not, is Gunnar Henderson. The O”s would want the moon for him, and I’d move any combination of Marcelo and Bello to get him. Love watching him play.
And if we’re not aiming that high, then aim low and trade little. Wall is going to be largely losing value in Tampa, Or Espinal shouldn’t cost much from Toronto. I’d look there in that order. Either of those are more interesting than what’s left on the free agent market and shouldn’t take much from our farm to acquire while we wait for Marcello.
Bruin1012
Why not aim higher and go after Adley Rutschman.
Best Screenname Ever
Rutschman is already a franchise player and Henderson’s not. Though in my view he could be.
You’re right Bruin that Gunnar is probably an unrealistic target. My major point was that I would rather trade for a player with some future rather than signing the likes of Andrus etc.
Bruin1012
Joe- Fangraphs and Steamers came out with the projections for Yoshida. Steamers has him as a .298 hitter, 140 wrc+, 19 homers, negative defensive value but overall a 3.8 war player. He’s not predicted to be trash and since Pulled hasn’t seen him play and neither have I I will go with this. I would be happy with that kind of output.
Byroneous
Why don’t they pick up Mancini. Guy has always been quality. Good clubhouse guy.
hitman32
Jose Iglesias, Odubel Herrera, Michael Wacha and Danny Duffy (possibly able to start by
June) or maybe Bloom has 1 up his sleeve to get a starter from Miami. These signings would help us possibly be a 500+ club this year!!
SoxRule
Why do Red Sox fans spend so much time telling you how bad they think the team will be? Bloom is about to do something big, he has to, and he will. You same guys whining about Bogaerts forget his declining numbers and his age I don’t want the Sox giving a Devers-sized contract to a guy who will be 42 by the time the contract is done. Do you? Then stop bringing Bogaerts up. None of you thought they would extend Devers either. Anyone who believes any of the negativity in this thread is wasting his time. Bloom is not done, and anyway, what are you going to say if Sale, Paxton, Kluber, even 1-2 of those three, end up having bounce back years, you going to think back to this and say “what a dope I was?” You guys are wrong every single year. We won’t know until they play the games.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rule – Xander’s declining numbers?
2020 – 17th in MVP
2021 – 12th in MVP
2022 – 9th in MVP
Last year he also won another Silver Slugger, and was runnerup for Gold Glove.
No offense but if you don’t follow a player, you really should look up their accomplishments before bashing them. Xander didn’t get a $280M contract because he was “declining”. And BTW he’s only about a month older than Story.
SoxRule
Look at his defensive numbers, his home run output, ops, look at the real numbers, not an MVP thing.
SoxRule
He’s 30. Story didn’t get anywhere near 11 years. By almost every metric his defense fell off terribly in 2021 and last year, his walk year, he worked his way up to average SS defense. He is a clutch hitter, but he’s not worth 11 years . You guys need to look closely at stats. And all of MLB knows about the decline, it’s been written about in these pages by MLBTR writers.
hitman32
SoxRule….
X Bogaerts being gone is old news but what has been done since then to help field a good team to compete in the east?? Yep…notta d@mn thing! Now losing Story?? Our line up would not scare a high school pitcher! Then we are supposed to be betting on the “what ifs” for our rotation!?! I am not impressed with the job done this off-season at all. The for sure is we need a SS and pitching….
SoxRule
So none of you think having Andrus or Kim is any good, or could be any good, even though they are all upgrades at SS? And the guys they signed aren’t ALL better than what we had last year?
The Martin and Jansen signings were exactly what we needed. You guys don’t see the difference these guys will make?
And you seriously think he’s done?