The Marlins and Twins continue to explore trade possibilities involving Minnesota infielder Luis Arraez and Miami’s surplus of starting pitching, reports Dan Hayes of the Athletic. Jon Heyman of the New York Post first wrote last week that Arraez’s name had come up in discussions involving Marlins righty Pablo López but suggested the Twins were uninterested in parting with the infielder.
Hayes similarly hears that Minnesota isn’t willing to pull the trigger on a one-for-one swap of Arraez and López. However, Hayes characterizes Minnesota as willing to entertain larger possibilities involving Arraez and controllable starting pitching targets. While the Twins aren’t actively shopping him, they’re apparently keeping an open mind to broader trade permutations. There’s no indication anything is imminent, and Hayes notes that the sides haven’t directly spoken in several days even as a general line of communication between the clubs seemingly remains open.
The Marlins’ willingness to dealing from the rotation has dated back at least as far as the 2021-22 offseason. Miami has yet to make a major trade but is still generally expected to subtract a starter for an offensive addition between now and Opening Day.
Reports have suggested the Fish were amenable to offers on any of López, Jesús Luzardo, Trevor Rogers and Edward Cabrera. While there’s no indication that’s officially changed, it seems talks are focusing in on the most experienced member of the group. Barry Jackson and Craig Mish of the Miami Herald wrote this afternoon that López has moved the forefront of Miami’s trade discussions around the league. According to the Herald, discussions on Rogers and Cabrera have “cooled” of late.
That’s not an especially surprising development. López is down to two seasons of remaining club control. Rogers and Luzardo are each controllable for four years, while Cabrera can be retained for another six seasons. That has made López the most straightforward trade candidate in the Miami rotation all along, although early reports this winter suggested the Fish might instead look towards a Rogers deal while keeping López in the fold.
Even with the comparatively lesser control window, López is a highly appealing trade chip for Miami general manager Kim Ng and her staff. The Venezuelan-born righty has posted a sub-4.00 ERA in each of the last three seasons. He hasn’t walked more than 7.5% of batters faced in any of those campaigns and has posted at least a 23.6% strikeout rate in all three seasons. López sits in the 93-94 MPH range with his fastball and owns one of the game’s better changeups. He misses bats and keeps the ball on the ground at an above-average clip and generally manages solid results against right and left-handed hitters alike.
He’ll play the 2023 campaign on a $5.45MM salary after avoiding arbitration last week. The 26-year-old will be due one more raise the following year before hitting free agency over the 2024-25 offseason.
Acquiring a starter who’s controllable beyond next season is apparently on the wishlist for a Minnesota club that could see a notable chunk of its rotation depart next winter. Tyler Mahle, Sonny Gray and Kenta Maeda are all slated for free agency after the 2023 campaign. Of their current starting five, only Joe Ryan and Bailey Ober are controllable beyond next season. Minnesota extended their window of control over righty Chris Paddack by an extra season last week, signing him through the end of 2025. He’ll likely get another rotation opportunity at some point but is currently on the mend from the second Tommy John procedure of his career. Young pitchers like Simeon Woods Richardson, Josh Winder and Louie Varland could play their way into the mix at some point but are far from established.
While it’s easy to see the appeal of adding a quality pitcher like López who’d stick around through 2024, Minnesota remains unwilling to do so in a straight swap for Arraez. The left-handed hitter is arbitration eligible for one season longer than López, controllable through 2025. His 2023 salary remains undefined — he and the club look to be headed for an arbitration hearing after not reaching an agreement last week — but will check in between $5MM and $6.1MM.
Arraez is fresh off his first All-Star campaign. He claimed the American League batting title by hitting .316 and reached base at a .375 clip overall. The 25-year-old only hit eight home runs in 603 plate appearances but is among the sport’s best pure hitters. No qualified hitter struck out less often than Arraez, who went down on strikes in only 7.1% of his trips. He was one of six qualified batters with more walks than strikeouts, drawing free passes at a decent 8.3% rate.
A second base prospect throughout his time in the minors, Arraez has assumed more of a bat-first utility role in recent years. Public defensive metrics have given him mixed reviews for his work at the keystone, and Minnesota turned to him more often at first base in deference to Jorge Polanco last season. Arraez can also play some third base and rotate through designated hitter. Miami has Jazz Chisholm Jr. and Jean Segura to play second and third base, respectively. There’d be room for Arraez to join right-handed power bats Garrett Cooper and Jorge Soler in the first base/DH mix, and he’s the archetype of the high-contact bat the Miami front office has reportedly sought.
If Miami and the Twins can’t bridge the gap in their trade discussions, the Marlins would find no shortage of interest in López elsewhere. The Padres and Cardinals have also been linked to the hurler this offseason while a number of others checked in at last summer’s trade deadline. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch implied this afternoon (on Twitter) there wasn’t much momentum between the Fish and Cardinals on López right now, though, suggesting that Miami’s interest in St. Louis outfielder Lars Nootbaar has been rebuffed.
marrtho
Minnesota looking for some pitching, ehhh?
trog
If the Twins are willing to dangle Arraez, I feel they should target Luzardo instead of Lopez, who has the higher ceiling, and a lefty for the pen like Richard Bleier. (Even then, Miami may need to add a prospect sweetener.) Marlins need to clear a roster spot for Cueto so a 2-for-1 on the 40 man roster makes sense. If Arraez gets dealt, Miranda moves across the diamond to 1B, Farmer is plugged in at 3B and Nick Gordon has UTIL with Royce Lewis hopefully coming back at some point in the first half.
cman
Lopez is good, but Luzardo or Cabrera would be better. I think the Twins are interesting in working on a BIG deal that nets them one or both or possibly Lopez plus one of either Luzardo or Cabrera. It would probably have to start with Lewis + Arraez and some pitching prospects. I have a sneaking suspicion something is going to happen here before the start of the season.
cman
I’d take Lopez but the fact that he’s a free agent in two seasons makes a one for one for Arreaz is a bit hard to swallow.
Milwaukee-2208
They’d be moronic to include Arraez in any trade for López. He’s winning the batting title this season. No shift the kids gonna hit .350
Yankee Clipper
I get the sentiment but he’s only been shifted on 3% of total pitches in 2022, so it will make a negligible difference at best. He’s still a good contact hitter though.
SODOMOJO
He was hard to shift on in the first place, because he is a pure bat to ball guy. He puts it exactly where the pitch he gets to hit dictates it’s supposed to go. Our guy Ty France is in the same vein, though I think he does a little more “hunting” with his power.
cman
and the 2022 batting champion. People are underestimating Arraez in my opinion he’s a much better player than he’s getting credit for and he’s only 25. He’s also still improving as a hitter and has steadily creeped up the stat lines with extra base hits and homeruns. I can see why the Twins don’t want to part with him for Lopez, who’s a #3 starter currently which they already have in spades.
mlb1225
He was only shifted on in 13 plate appearances. Even if he got a hit in all 13 times, he would still only have a BA of .340.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Spot on, SODOM. You hit the bullseye here.
Clepto_
With a name like Sodom, dont you mean he hit the brown eye?
gravel
The name is Sodo Mojo. Those in the PNW know it.
rememberthecoop
What is PNW?
Bart Harley Jarvis
post-nuclear war
Clepto_
Police Not Wanted
gravel
Pacific Northwest.
cman
speak for yourself, you don’t speak for many of us here.
Bart Harley Jarvis
I prefer the favorite Mo Howard version, “Speak for yourself, rodent.”
CaptainJudge99
@Milwaukee2208- It really wouldn’t be moronic for the Twinkies to include Arraez in a trade for López. Nothing is saying Minny wants to contend more in the AL Central, by acquiring a stud like Pablo López for their pitching rotation.
cman
I wouldn’t call Lopez exactly a stud though. And the Twins have 3 starters that can and have produced numbers similar to Lopez. Grey, Maeda, and Ryan. Two of the three were injured for stretches last season with Maeda being out the whole year. They also have Ober and Mahle. Ober very possibly could end up being better than Lopez in the next few seasons as he gets more MLB experience. The Twins don’t necessarily NEED Lopez per say but they would like to have either Luzardo or Cabrera who would fit in as frontline starters.
Buzz Killington
Contact hitters tend to be less consistent than a disciplined hitter. Honestly a straight 1-1 wouldn’t be bad but giving Miami more is pretty stupid.
wjf010
if they trade him 1:1 for Lopez, it is moronic. it is not, however, if they can get a decent package and maybe includr Kepler in the trade.. arraez has no position….he’s really not good at 2nd or 3rd…he’s fine at 1st…but, he’ll hit 7 homeruns. they need 1st open for Kirriloff. I’d love to trade him before the season starts and his 2022 gets exposed as a career year… but, no one knows how Kirriloff has recovered from his wrist surgery. they may need him….. they could get more for arraez in July if he proves 2022 was not a career year.
DakotaJoe
he has a .314 career average so I don’t think anyone is seeing it as a career year when he was barely over his career average.
fburner88
Twins are pretty used a bat to ball guy with minimal power hitting playing 1st for them.
On that note, I can’t imagine what Joe Mauer’s batting average would have been had he played without the shift
cman
I’m pretty sure he would have been upper .300’s every season and if he hadn’t suffered a severe concusion that moved him out from behind the plate he might have kept the power too. Later on he admitted to trainers that he suffered post-concussion syndromes of headaches, dizziness, etc. for years. A 90-100 mph fastball to the face can do A LOT of damage to ones brain even with a mask.
rememberthecoop
I don’t see the shift impacting him as much as you do, based off the relevant data. Yes, he is a terrific contact hitter. But he really has no position. Defensively, he was surprisingly decent at first base, but do you really want a 5’8″ first baseman? He’s not good on the dirt. So, while he can certainly hit, he lacks good baserunning, defense and power. I’d still love to have him, no question. But he has warts.
Reynaldo
Successful teams are proactive with their moves; this Marlins FO is anything but.
Big whiffa
atleast their trying
puhl
I would like to have Lopez, but if the Twins move Arraez to make the deal, who’s hitting at the top of the order to set the table for Buxton and Correa?
thejmann7
Maybe Royce Lewis if he can stay healthy?
Big whiffa
It would be Buxton. Not a bad thing
cman
They’ve tried that before. Buxton is not a leadoff hitter. Arraez is a prototypical leadoff hitter who hits for a high average. That’s a lot more valuable than folks think.
FrontRowMarlins
4 Marlins Articles in one day…lol. kick rocks haters. Wild Card here we come.
Cleon Jones
Write it up when they make a trade, this is just clickbait.
LetTheGoodTimesROFL
Hey dumb dumb its a rumor website.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Rumors have to be at least somewhat grounded in reality.
Augusto Barojas
Arraez is a damn good player. Would have to be a very good starter in return. Lopez is pretty good but he isn’t enough. I don’t know why the Twins would look to trade one of their best position players, doesn’t make much sense. I doubt he’s getting dealt.
cman
Not for Lopez. The Twins are smart for holding their ground on this. Especially given the fact that Lopez is only under team control for two more seasons including this upcoming one. A trade would have to involve Cabrera, Alcantara, or Luzardo and the Twins have said they will listen to any offers on this.
formerlyz
If they’re trading Pablo Lopez, which again, I think is a mistake, it should be only for a good return that can help them for more than just the next year or 2.
At the trade deadline, I was thinking add 1-2 of their movable bullpen arms to Lopez, and a twins deal would have to be Miranda, Steer, Wallner, a pitching prospect, and a throw in. Maybe add something else in there from the Marlins side too…
So with that being the case, a smaller version of something like that would make more sense…or add wendle, and/or 1 of the bullpen pieces, or even one of their depth arms like Castano or Brian Hoeing, and shoot for a similar packaged deal. None of this 1 for 1 type stuff they keep doing. Get value back, if you’re trading someone like Pablo Lopez…
But I still think it’s a shortsighted move to make some sort of trade right now with the arms, b/c realistically, there aren’t any deals that would make them world series contenders this year or next year, and it would just be a trade for the sake of making a trade, as is typical of the Marlins. I think the rest of the offseason should be getting 2-3 bullpen arms, 2 of which that can pitch in high leverage situations, and then maybe an option at 1b/dh, if there is room…then reevaluate after April
I would even consider trying to extend Pablo by a couple of years, and add more years of controllablity, b/c I think that would increase his trade value, and could give them an opportunity to try to maximize him as an asset later (either at the trade deadline, or after this season). Then, if the organization gets lucky and is closer to winning in that short stretch of time, then you might be fine keeping him, as he is likely worth whatever extension it would be
HalosHeavenJJ
Lopez would look really nice atop the Twins rotation. Especially in the first two years of the Correa extension.
Samuel
I like Lopez and think he’s good pitcher.
But he’s basally a tweener between a #2 and #3 starter and only controlled for 2 more years. Add in that while he’s had a nice 3 years, he pitched 57 innings in 2020 (Covid); 102 innings in 2021; and shot up to 180 innings in 2022.
As Steve Adams mentioned in a Chat, the Marlins would want multiple young players for him with most of their 6 years of control. Arraez has 3 years of control, and the Marlins would have to add quite a bit in order to even up a trade for him. So we’re into a multiple player trades on both sides.
Yes, Lopez would look good in the Twins rotation – or for any other team for that matter. On the other hand, taking Arraez out of that line-up every day is going to hurt the Twins. His .334 / .399 / .439 /.838; 124 OPS+ sets a lot of things up for that team.
Mentioned it when the Guardians were looking at the Marlins pitchers – I’d be looking at Braxton Garrett. He’s got a lot more years of control and throws LH. The only drawback is that he’s a Boras client……
cman
Problem is he’s only under contract 2 more seasons. That’s why this deal hasn’t been made. Marlins are gonna have to retool this deal and add more pieces or offer the Twins something else than Lopez.
crise
Agree that making things a bit larger makes more sense when you;re trying to change an org. Florida needs a SS right now more than anything, and the Twins don’t really have a ready one to send today. But if they can wait a bit I’d send Lewis down there. He’s very good and should be back on the field for the second half. That’s the larger chip that Ng should be hunting for, and it should net MN a better catch.
cman
Lewis is pretty much ready but is blocked now by Correa and they have Lee who also plays short who’s another good prospect.
crise
Lewis had a second ACL rebuild last summer and won’t hit the field until mid-season. *Then* he’s blocked by Correa.
cman
It won’t take that long. He had it last June, It’s already been 7 months.
twins33
Steer was traded to the Reds for Mahle
tstats
And he will work wonders for my fantasy team
formerlyz
So again, a comparable version of that concept
cman
That’s wayyyy to much for Pablo (considering he only has two years left under Marlins control) and quite frankly it’s a totally one-sided deal in the Marlins favor. Substitute Cabrera or Luzardo than the conversation gets started. If the Marlins extend Lopez first maybe the Twins pick up the phone and talk but there’s no way they give up Miranda, Wallner AND another pitching prospect (steer was traded to the reds), otherwise that’s insane.
formerlyz
I think you misread the part where it said smaller version or additional pieces…also b/c of the fact its 2 years instead of what was 2.5
cman
“At the trade deadline, I was thinking add 1-2 of their movable bullpen arms to Lopez, and a twins deal would have to be Miranda, Steer, Wallner, a pitching prospect, and a throw in. Maybe add something else in there from the Marlins side too…”
The way you worded this is a bit odd. Marlins add 1-2 movable bullpen arms to Lopez for Miranda, Steer, Wallner, a pitching prospect and a thrown in from the Twins and then the Marlins add something else in again.
TwinsFan8791
As a diehard Twins fan I can tell you right now I’d rather have Arraez than Lopez. One of our SP prospects could put up numbers like Lopez…not probable, but possible. Ain’t nobody in our minor leagues getting called up and hitting like Luis.
TwinsFan8791
Basically, if we don’t make the trade there’s potential for someone to “replace” Lopez. If we do make the trade nobody is “replacing” Arraez.
James Midway
Not having a stake in either team, I would rather have Arraez. Dude can rake and makes an impact every day.
Twins would get a good starter but lose their lead off hitter
IjustloveBaseball
I’m with you. Arraez is such a unique hitter in today’s offensive climate.
As for Lopez, he is undoubtedly a good pitcher, but isn’t devoid of concerns.
He’s twice missed time with shoulder injuries over the years, most recently in ’21, and also fizzled out as the season wore on — from June onward, his ERA was 4.69 as opposed to 1.83 in April/May.
Again, Lopez would not be a bad get, but I don’t see him as being worth trading Arraez.
BeansforJesus
Jorge Polanco has an interesting contract status. 2024 vests with 550 PA, then 2025 becomes a team option. Very team friendly for two years in the case he has a solid full season. If he has a poor to okay season, the team can easily limit his PAs while avoiding a union grievance.
junior25
Twins fans
Honest question
Whats so special about Arraez?
Sure he won the batting title with a .316 average but he only had 8Hrs and 50ish Rbi’s
You have a kid in minors that probably wont hit for as high of average but will more than likely top his HR and RBI’s
His name is Austin Martin
B1G City
I thought the same thing about Tony Gwynn back in the day.
junior25
I know your not comparing Arraez to Gwynn are you?
DarkSide830
The same Austin Martin who repeated AA last year and hit only .241?
mlb1225
He’s a leadoff hitter. How do you expect him to have many RBIs when he has significantly less chances? He batted .366 with RISP. He probably could have batted .400 w/risp and still only had about 60 rbi.
junior25
So is George Springer
Who hit 26Hrs and had 76Rbis’s
B1G City
Of course, their stats through their first 4 seasons are nearly identical and they’re pretty much the same type of player.
pmck003
Springer OPS+ 131 Arrzez OPS+ 130 – abt the same offensive player.
Springer 4 WAR, Arraez 4.4 WAR.
mlb1225
Springer also had nearly 40 more plate appearances with RISP than Arraez last season.
Bombo
He’s fun to watch bat? Manfred wants us to have more fun. 🙂 Plus, we still revere Sir Rodney and Rod loves him.
Big whiffa
What makes him special is that u get to bat Buxton at the coveted 2 spot. He also hasn’t hit his prime yet. He’s got a lot of upside.
He’s not that special though. Just slightly more valuable than Lopez. If Miami would throw in someone like Dax Fulton – Twins should take that deal
crise
In a year when the league only batted .243 he was hitting .342 at the all-star break, was still hitting .336 in mid-August but got hurt and lost 20 points in the last six weeks. He didn’t sit much while going for the batting title and when so many other guys were out and that seemed to snowball on him as things went along.
Troutahni
I don’t know much of the back story when it comes to Nick Gordon, but he looks like he would be a decent starting second baseman with speed and power. I think he can further breakout this season. Where is he going to play, especially with them bringing in Gallo? Nick Gordon showed he can be a good major leaguer with some serious upside.
The Twins can absorb the loss of Arrauz, but they should try and pluck Luzardo or Trevor Rogers along with Lopez. Don’t forget the Twins also will get a full season from Kirilenko.
BBB
Polanco plays second, unless he gets hurt again Gordon’s only real chance for regular AB is in the OF (or maybe DH).
crise
Gordon has proven himself to be a better OF than infielder. The team is past thinking of him that way, and they have about a hundred guys lined up who can play second this year or piling up in AA: Polanco, Arraez, Farmer, Lewis, Lee, Julien, Martin (and that’s after Correa took away anyone else’s hope of playing SS.)
Gordon was Buxton’s caddy and the de facto LF last year but they want more from LF this season. He hits a lot of speed doubles and is fun to watch so I hope he finds a spot this spring.
Bombo
Gordon certainly surprised pleasantly at the plate last year, but I think the org likes him better in a utility role; he grabbed a lot of at-bats in 2022 bc of injuries to others. Defensively, they don’t trust him particularly well in the infield. But outside of Correa and Farmer, I don’t really trust most of the currently assembled Twins in the infield.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
I’d much rather have Cabrera than Lopez. Kid looks like a future ace to me. Wonder if something with the Padres like Kim for Cabrera straight up or with minor add ons could work.
DarkSide830
I don’t get this. Kim is a fine player and all but Cabrera has much more control and MIA could use outfielders more than infielders now.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Switch Kim for Grisham then. PS..The fish need a SS too.
Hey now
I am afraid Lopez is to healthy for twins management. They prefer pitchers with lengthy list of injuries and many IL trips.
twins33
Not sure I’d call Lopez someone who is always healthy. Though you can’t say that about most pitchers anyway. Berrios is the only one that comes to mind, but I don’t follow every pitcher.
Lopez has had shoulder issues in multiple seasons. Think last year was his first healthy season.
cman
Actually they prefer pitchers with more than 2 years of control left if they are going to give up Arraez.
mostlytoasty
I wonder if the Twins would move Royce Lewis? Unless Correa switches position at some point due to decreasing range, he’s blocked at SS for the foreseeable future. I’m sure Lewis could excel in the outfield but that’s how he reinjured his ACL. The kid should stick to the infield.
twins33
I think it’s possible they would, but not sure they would right now. He’s not going to be ready until the second half so the Twins probably don’t want to sell low.
I feel like if they would, it would be next offseason at the earliest. That being said, I think he should be an OF because of his speed, since Correa is now blocking him.
cman
Royce Lewis will be moved. He doesn’t have the range to stick at short, which the Twins have discovered. Most likely he ends up in the outfield. Lewis’s biggest asset is his bat.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Is Anthony Franco a Marlins’ fan? Just reporting such a lopsided proposal makes me wonder.
StudWinfield
No power, no speed, no defense, poor BB%. Arraez is overrated.
Get Off My Mound
No defense and no power is incorrect. 31 doubles and a .420 slugging isnt indicative a good power hitter, but it’s not the worst by any means. Mixed defensive numbers shouldn’t equate to “no defense”. Doesn’t need to steal to have success, and the game isn’t all about walks and homers.
StudWinfield
Not saying he’s not a good player in some respects I just wouldn’t trade a Lopez straight up for someone who’s a light hitting 1b/dh. Arraez is an excellent complimentary player on a good team but doesn’t make as much sense for MIA.
Get Off My Mound
I personally think its good for Miami to go for more contact oriented hitters. All they did was sign power guys last offseason, and we all know how well that did them.
cman
mostly incorrect. He has good speed & defense not overrated.
Sandlotkid
I hope Jed Hoyer is reading this. Hopefully can offer Madrigal etc etc to get one of these pitchers
C Yards Jeff
Ng on fire. Busy busy busy.
I’m a long time AL fan (Orioles); that said, the Fish are now officially my adopted NL team for 23. I will be following their journey. Last year it was the Mets.
My spotlight player outside of Orioles? The Cubs Mervis. Cool story. I hope he goes off!
Simm
Am I the only one that feels like lopes is being overvalued?
He is an above avg pitcher but on a good staff he is likely closer to a number 4 starter.
He hasn’t pitched many innings in his career. Last year he did pitch a decent amount but fell off the second half. He has two years of control left and should bring back something decent.
Idk I see a good but not great pitcher. The biggest Hangup on a trade is the marlins wanting mlb ready bats. I don’t see anyone trading a high upside mlb ready bat with 4-6 years of control left for 2 years of Lopez. The marlins could get a high upside prospect that is perhaps a couple years away but that’s not what they want.
CNichols
He has some surplus value because he’s only making like $5.5M. This offseason Kyle Gibson got $10M, Jordan Lyles got 2Y/$17M and he’s better than both of them for almost half the price. The market for starting pitching got really expensive.
I do agree though that he’s a backend arm on a good team and there’s really not a ton of upside. I think the Marlins would do better to part with Luzardo or Cabrera because there’s so much more control and potential. If they want an impact controllable bat, I don’t think Pablo gets it done, they’ll probably need to move one of the guys with more control.
C Yards Jeff
@Simms; agree, a 3/4 rotation guy. Disagree with his usage to this point in his career. Looks like the Fish FO had a long term plan to get him to that 32 start season last year. Also not much of an injury history. That TJ surgery he had in 2014 looks like it was more than successful! And still young.
For me, weighing the pros and cons, I think it’s worth giving up a proven MLB thumper if your a GM that has a need for mid rotation help. Cheers!
LordD99
Arraez has a bat-to-ball, high contact skillset highly valued at the moment. He’s also versatile playing multiple positions, something also valued by teams. With an extra year of control, I can see why the Twins don’t want to move him in a one-for-one swap, but I also think it’s a pretty close deal. If both sides are serious they likely can found common ground. If the Twins counter is Kepler, then the Marlins should look elsewhere. Lopez is worth significantly more.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Why would any quality pitcher not block a trade to the Twins? Idiot skipper, no pitching coach and little run support unless Arraez is there getting on base.
Whyme
Miami would have to include more than just Lopez.
Ma4170
It’s an interesting trade. Arraez will likely hit over 300 every year with limited power, but his SLG above 400 still makes him valuable. His role in a lineup is important to any team, and it’s good to see this player type valued again. But when healthy, Lopez is very good and basically a staff number 2. He’s missed time in a couple of years, so that’s something to raise concerns. But if a team needs sp, he’s also really valuable. It’s funny, if I’m either team, I wouldn’t feel the need to include anyone else and would think 1-1 is fair, but I could also see why both would turn it down. Marlins have so many holes in their lineup that I don’t think Arraez is the type of player you anchor an offense around if that’s what they’re looking for.
JackStrawb
Arraez could be a 5 WAR player for the next five to seven years if left at 2B. I wouldn’t deal him straight up for Lopez.
I like Lopez, but the Marlins bumped him from 107 innings in 2021 all the way to 180 innings last season, and his ERA suffered as a result. 3.75 is good but the 108 ERA+ isn’t a #2 on a contender.
Maybe he can bring the ERA down, but I wouldn’t count on it. A nice guy to have in your rotation, but a solid #3 is all he’s shown so far.
Ma4170
It’s a good debate and worth the conversation for both teams. I like Pablo but agree, I don’t see him as a guy who can sustain high innings. Last year may be the best we see from Arraez, or it could be he gets even better. Because of his upside I prob wouldn’t do it if I were MN.
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
If Arraéz really is available, I wonder what it would take for the Dodgers to pry him from MIN? If we’re talking controllable starting pitching, the Dodgers only really have Gonsolin and May. Though it would be kind of funny if the Dodgers trade Gonsolin after they couldn’t agree to arbitration. It’d be even funnier if Maeda came back in that deal post-Tommy John.
Ma4170
I’d think either gonsolin or may would get their attention
chrcritter
doesn’t make much sense for the Marlins. They need power, of which Arraez has none
chrcritter
reading these comments is funny. The Marlins fans say that the Twins would need to include another player and the Twins fans say the opposite
fletch
Seriously Twins front office trade the best hitter you have for pitching. Why don’t you develop the pitching instead. When this front office was brought in they were supposed to be pitching development studs.
twinsfan84
Twins Get:
Luzardo
Cabrera
Fish Get:
Arraez
Kepler
Winder
JackStrawb
The Mets should—should—be in the mix for Lopez. They have at least two of Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio available, and can soften the blow by adding Carrasco to the deal and picking up all of his salary.
Lopez would add some desperately needed durability and will have a far better shot than any of the five pitchers currently in the Mets rotation of staying healthy and effective through the postseason.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
As good as Arraez is, he’s a singles hitter and aside from getting on base, doesn’t offer too much moreon offense. Kinda reminds me of Brandon Nimmo.
Don’t make it sund like I’m not saying he’s good.
In other words, he can be easily replaced for pitching. I’d 100% try to package him for pitching if I were the Twins.