Jurickson Profar is the top unsigned position player, with the switch-hitter still lingering on the open market after opting out of his deal with the Padres. Even with Spring Training a few weeks out, there isn’t much clarity on his likely landing spot.
The Rangers, Marlins, Red Sox, Astros, Rockies and Yankees have all been loosely tied to him at points this offseason. Houston and Boston have made other significant left field acquisitions (Michael Brantley and Masataka Yoshida, respectively). Colorado’s reported interest was fairly quickly downplayed, while Miami has since moved Jazz Chisholm Jr. into center field — thereby pushing players like Bryan De La Cruz and Jesús Sánchez into the left field conversation.
While the Yankees still have a questionable left field mix, it doesn’t appear they’re planning to further push payroll. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reported last week the club doesn’t want to exceed the fourth and final luxury-tax barrier, set at $293MM for the 2023 season. That’d leave them with essentially no breathing room unless they shed some money in a trade. Even in that instance, pivoting back to Profar might not be in the cards. Brendan Kuty of the Athletic wrote this morning the team has been deterred by Profar’s asking price. General manager Brian Cashman indicated on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM over the weekend that Aaron Hicks was likely to get the first crack in left field (h/t to Bryan Hoch of MLB.com).
Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic, meanwhile, reported yesterday the Orioles have been involved in the Profar market. The asking price might prove too rich for Baltimore’s taste as well, as Rosenthal adds the front office isn’t particularly bullish on their chances of getting a deal done.
Profar would be a curious fit for the Orioles even before considering the financial implications. While he began his career as a middle infielder, he rated poorly as a defender. That was largely due to throwing accuracy issues, which peaked in 2019 when he committed 11 throwing errors from second base as a member of the Athletics. Since that year, he’s primarily been limited to corner outfield work. Profar picked up sporadic action on the right side of the infield in 2020-21 and didn’t play anywhere other than left field last year.
It’s likely most clubs wouldn’t view him as more than an emergency option anywhere outside the corner outfield. Baltimore doesn’t have a path to at-bats in either left or right field at the moment. Austin Hays and Anthony Santander make for a capable tandem. Santander has more power than Profar does. Hays and Profar have produced at similar levels the last couple seasons, so it’s not likely Baltimore views the free agent as a significant upgrade.
That said, a run at Profar could have freed the O’s up to deal one of their in-house outfielders. General manager Mike Elias noted last week the team is still looking for ways to bolster the rotation, and Rosenthal writes they’re considering trade possibilities for starting pitching. Hays or Santander could appeal to a club that’s willing to market a back-end starter in search of an immediate outfield upgrade — speculatively speaking, the Brewers and Rangers could fit the mold — but a trade would leave the O’s to lean heavily on rookie Kyle Stowers unless they subsequently add experienced outfield help.
While it’s difficult to find a perfect landing spot for Profar, he’s a decent everyday left fielder. A switch-hitter with quality contact skills and a patient approach, he’s hit at an above-average level in two of the past three years. Profar was a lineup staple last season in San Diego, appearing in 152 games and tallying 658 plate appearances. He hit .243/.331/.391 with 15 home runs and 36 doubles. That production checked in 10 percentage points above league average, by measure of wRC+, once one accounts for the league-wide drop in power and the pitcher-friendly nature of Petco Park.
Profar is still just 30 years old and has a case for a multi-year deal on the heels of that solid season. That was surely his expectation when he forewent the final $6.5MM on his contract with the Friars at the start of the offseason. He should still be able to top that, though his lengthy stay on the open market would seem to suggest he hasn’t found the level of interest his camp was anticipating. Michael Conforto and Trey Mancini each secured opt-out clauses on two-year guarantees this offseason, and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see Profar do the same once he finally agrees to terms. Topping the $14MM guaranteed to Mancini — who’s a year older and coming off a lesser offensive showing — should be attainable.
The Rangers, where Profar began his career after rating as a top prospect, still need to upgrade in left field via free agency or trade. The Padres could circle back given the front office’s longstanding affinity for the outfielder, though they might be nearing their spending limit. That’s also true of the Braves and Dodgers, two contenders who have room for left field upgrades on paper. A retooling club like the Royals or Tigers could eye Profar as a deadline trade candidate. That’d likely only be appealing if he doesn’t secure an opt-out possibility, which would otherwise significantly reduce his trade appeal. If Profar lingers on the market much longer, it’s possible that inevitable injuries around the league early in spring training could create a new opportunity or two, although his preference is surely to be signed by the time camps begin to open.
This one belongs to the Reds
Nothing has changed with this guy even thought they like to remind us every other day he is unsigned. Way overestimated his value in the market.
dirkg
Yeah I can’t imagine teams are lining up to sign a 30 year old, never an all-star, former IF, now outfielder with *decent* range, a *decent* arm, with middle of the pack performance. He’s a career .238 AVG .322 OBP hitter who may hit 10-15 HRs a year. He might steal you 5 bags.
The article comps him to Conforto and Mancini. Conforto was an all-star and is a few years removed from his 2017-2019 impressive stretch. Mancini is a World Champion who has shown nothing but performance and a successful cancer battle since 2017. IMO Profar is not close to these guys.
I’m not here to dump on the guy but constantly running out these articles on him on why he’s not signed is getting monotonous. He’s not signed because he’s not worth the projected salary that surely his agent is trying to comp.
deweybelongsinthehall
Agreed dirkg. I’m thinking he has to settle for a lesser guarantee with incentives. A team like the Yankees could sign him if they decide to deal Torres to improve their minor league depth with one of the kids moving to second.
sacball
You forgot to mention how he baits runners to take third on him and he can’t even come close to throwing them out
BaseballisLife
Profar was a 10% better hitter than Mancini last season and infinitely better than Conforto who didn’t play at all.
Profar is a plus defender in LF, 10 DRS, and Mancini is a -4 DRS in LF.
That is why Profar was a 3.1 WAR player and Mancini was a 1.4 WAR player.
BaseballisLife
Conforto was a 100 OPS+ hitter the last time he played in 2021 and his defense has been good in LF. The same 10 DRS as Profar.
Conforto is making $18 million.
dirkg
@BaseballisLife, you’ve got to be either 1) Scott Boras or 2) Jurickson’s favorite aunt.
davemlaw
Yes, I can just imagine Scott Boras doing his tap dance with GM’s trying to drum up Profar’s market.
He’s good but not great and he had a peak year at 29 and there’s no evidence he can repeat it.
If Profar could play a decent 2B he would already have a contract as a super utility player.
Biggest problem is contract length. I’m sure they want 5 years but really need to settle for 3 or even 2 years at a good AAV. I don’t think this guy will age well and most teams seem to agree
bhambrave
“The Rangers, Marlins, Red Sox, Astros, Rockies and Yankees have all been loosely tied to him at points this offseason. ”
Meaning he’ll sign with the Braves.
CaptainJudge99
Jurickson Profar will not end up signing with the Yankees, if Aaron Hicks is not traded or DFA’d. Hicks will be a 10/5 player this coming August, so he would have to be moved by then, if not he’ll be a Yankee for the next few years.
SgtGrumbles
What possible trade value could Hicks have at 10M AAV through ‘25 with 30M total owed. Adding his long injury history, and a slightly below average offensive profile.
CaptainJudge99
@SgtGrumbles- Let’s stop pretending that $10 or $10.5 million a year is a lot of $, in baseball. Some team out there always needs a spare outfielder every year after spring training, and the Yankees could always pay half of the $30 million left on the contract also. Smh
bigjonliljon
Spare outfielder or spare parts?
Seamaholic
$10m for a league average player is quite valuable.
CaptainJudge99
I think if a team was going to get Hicks for $15 million dollars over 3 seasons its an excellent deal. (5 million) a season seems plenty fair for any team out there. Basically the Yankees would be eating half of his contract. I think Mr. Hicks will be a goner soon.
Brian 38
@CaptainJudge99 – Gotham bias for sure… $10m to one player out of 26 matters for bottom 50% budgets much more than top 25% budgets.
drasco036
If Hicks was a free agent right now he would get a minor league deal, not a 3/15 deal. No one is signing a corner outfielder who cannot slug .400 to a ML deal.
CaptainJudge99
Yeah at $5 million annually maybe the Cubs will trade for him. I would be be okay with. Hicks is worth that. Cubs are my favorite NL team. They could always use a 4th outfielder.
Wisdom shared
Just looking at reality, but if EVERY player on any given team made 10M per year, that is a payroll of 260 million dollars for 26 players on the roster and with the insane contracts signed now, teams will soon be forced to cut back on any players over 30 to go with the young players at minimum salary. That is the stupidity shown by players trying to increase salaries and what they are doing in reality is destroying their own playing careers after 30 years of age and only the superstars will survive.
Brian 38
@CaptainJudge99 – The Cubs have no need for Hicks. They have Happ, Bellinger, and Suzuki. Morel as an option if Bellinger is turd. Throw in Brennen Davis and PCA if Morel can’t cut it either.
You might want to talk to the Rockies. I hear they like making odd decisions.
CardsFan57
It is a lot when most teams have in house alternatives that will only cost $700K. That’s what’s happening here. Any team with a decent farm system can replace Hicks and Profar with cheaper in house alternatives.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Then we struck a gold mine with Duvall at 7 million
Spotswood
Interesting that you mention, experienced players being pushed out of a job because of mega deals and splurging on a handful of players. My friends and I talk about this often. Six Yankee players account for $58% of their $292M estimated 2023 payroll. The 6 players consume 72% of the $233M luxury tax threshold. Teams can’t spends endlessly. Contraction is causing the 7-8 year veteran to settle for far less money, or not receive an offer and get pushed out of the game. Congrats for signing that $350M contract, you just cost your friend a job.
CaptainJudge99
@Brian 38- are you really confident that Happ won’t be traded? My guess is he definitely will. If the Cubbies aren’t in contention this season Happ will be the lst one to go via-trade. The Yankees have piece like Everson Pereira that would be able to replace him. The Yankees also have pitching prospects like Luis Gil, Randy Vasquez, and Will Warren, that the Cubs would definitely have interest in for sure.
DonOsbourne
Duvall is a different case because he can play CF. Completely different market.
Spotswood
Captain, I don’t think Happ will be traded. I think he’s a guy that wants to extend with the Cubs vs a guy that wants to go to free agency. A contract just above Benitendi and under $20M AAV. That looks like the type of deal Hoyer likes. Also think the Cubs spending indicates they want to be competitive for the wild card in ’23.
That being said, can’t rule out Happ being traded. He was shopped last year. Not sure how their plans changed with him since then. They have 6 prospects that are going to be blocked if they resign him (Canario, Velazquez, Davis, Caissie, Alcantara, Hill).
In terms of the trade, I could see the Cubs absorbing Hicks. If Happ is repeating ’22, the return will probably hurt. Note above, they don’t need OF prospects. Biggest need would be #1 arm, 3rd and catcher. So that’s Volpe and Wells. Doubt Yankees like that. Never have enough pitching, but the Cubs are loaded with arms like the 3 you mentioned. How about Suzuki?
SgtGrumbles
Not a good comp. Duvall is signed for a 1 year commitment. Yankee fans have to hear about Hicks coming back from some injury or another for the next three seasons.
CaptainJudge99
@Spotswood- not trying to screw the Cubs by making a deal with the Yankees. The Cubbies are my NL favorite. If Happ is dealt by the deadline I just hope it’s to the Yankees. The two teams definitely have the makings of a trade. I would love to see the Cubs in contention in 2023. I just don’t see if. I hope I’m wrong though. Lol.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
How is it different? He said league minimum is 10 million. We got Duvall for 7 million. In my opinion, 10 is way too much for league minimum and/or bench player.
DonOsbourne
@pwndrola
Generally speaking I agree with you and Cardsfan57. $10 million is too much for a player that can be replaced with a team controlled young player.
I’m just saying that Duvall and Profar have different values because Duvall can play CF. The market this winter has show that is a valuable skill.
Spotswood
Captain, didn’t come across that way…all good. Maybe I did a poor job of communicating, but I was half agreeing with you. If the Cubs were shopping Happ last deadline, don’t know why they wouldn’t now or sometime before the ’23 deadline.
As I said, I could see the Cubs taking Hicks and salary, plus prospects. Gomez, instead of Wells, is probably one the Cubs would look at, then a couple arms. Could get it done. Obviously, Cashman and Hoyer are willing to work together.
Dunk Dunkington
Cubs don’t need another 0F, they are is good shape.
They have better options
Spotswood
I discussion was about, if the Cubs trade or resign Happ.
drasco036
A Happ extension is not out of the question if the years are right for the Cubs.
The Cubs have Suzuki locked in for four more years and also have an abundance of young outfield prospects but I’m not sold on Davis, Canario is going to miss most if not all the season with injury which will push his time line back and Alcantara is still 2 if not 3 years away in his current development.
Brian 38
@CaptainJudge – Happ could be traded if they fade in the playoff hunt. I just don’t think the Cubs would want Hicks. I don’t know the Yankees system well enough to take a guess at whether or not the Yankees are a match otherwise. I suspect you’re right in that the Yankees would be selling milb arms since they are blocked by MLB talent.
LordD99
@Captain99, I do think Hicks will be moved before 10/5 rights kick in, but I also believe he’ll be fighting for the LF job this ST, along with Cabrera, Ortega and Florial. I don’t want Profar on a multi-year deal, so let the current foursome fight it out.
CaptainJudge99
@LordD99- I hear you, just saying that Profar is better then Hicks, but not Necessarily in leftfield. I do agree with you though Aaron Hicks is definitely likely to be moved before August. If Hicks was moved now, even for a minor leaguer I do believe the Yanks would make a play for Profar though. $50-45 million for 4 years would be fine.
LordD99
Profar would be an upgrade. My concern is locking him in for four years.
CaptainJudge99
@LordD99- Well ok, then how about for 3 years and a club option for a 4th year at $10 million a year, if we somehow can move Mr. Hicks? Lmk
SalaryCapMyth
@Captain and Lord. You two bring to light a pretty interesting conundrum for the Yankees. On one hand, I wouldn’t want Profar on a multi year deal either. He just isn’t THAT much of an improvement to commit to, especially when you consider is on/off track record. On the other hand I wouldn’t want Hicks gaining 5/10 rights either. That’s a difficult decision.
LordD99
That is the balance. I don’t want Profar on more than a two year deal, and my preference is I want them to aim higher than Profar at some point in 2023. My fear is we escape Hicks but then replace him with another Hicks. So Profar for one or two years? Ok. Three or more? No. Let the less-than-fab four battle it out until another option comes along.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@Capt99 Hicks and Florial can’t be demoted. What if Cabrera has a breakout ST, where are you going to roster everyone? If Profar gets signed, then the Yankees (as other teams know) will have to DFA Hicks as opposed to possibly trading him for a little bit of value. Same goes for Florial.
That also puts them over the Cohen tax threshold and I don’t see the Yankees doing it for Profar.
ForeverGiantsFan
I think at this point Profar is looking at a 2 year deal with an opt out after the first year for 8 million per year.
CaptainJudge99
@YBC- I really hope Cabrera does have that breakout season that your saying. I just don’t see it at all. You can’t base 65 at bats for Florial as anything. He needs more playing time. It definitely time to call the Cubs about Ian Happ, he’s definitely the player to get. Everson Pereira, Oswaldo Cabrera, and either Randy Vasquez or Will Warren will likely get it done. If the Yankees pay half of Hicks contract the Cubs will take him also.
Yankee Clipper
L99, Cap, & YBC: On the trade discussion, I saw a report by Mike Rosenstein that said, “GM Brian Cashman has indicated that he will not make subtractions from the roster purely to shed money, instead looking to recoup value in return to replace the outbound player.”
So, he won’t add a player along with Hicks or Donaldson “just” to move salary, but they also won’t go over the $293MM to add a necessary player to win. Cashman is so messed up – operating on one hand like money still doesn’t matter while failing on the other hand because he is unwilling to do what it takes to free up the contracts they need to trade.
Idosteroids
AA has his price…waiting this out.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic, meanwhile, reported yesterday the Orioles have been involved in the Profar market. The asking price might prove too rich for Baltimore’s taste as well, as Rosenthal adds the front office isn’t particularly bullish on their chances of getting a deal done.
Well, you are going to have to offer a bit more than Boog Powell’s BBQ and Kielbasa!!!
zantigm
Orioles will end up signing Wacha
Profar
Britton
And finish 2nd in the East with 92 wins
Murphy NFLD
On consoles everywhere that is
Roguesaw2
I mean, it is really good BBQ..
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
It certainly is!
Skombie Kirby
Couple teams stand out as good fits like Kansas City, Tampa Bay and Texas but I don’t see any of them paying him $10 mil + a year
This one belongs to the Reds
He’s not getting 10 million plus.
iverbure
And if he does will you admit you were wrong and stop making predictions, or will you just say the team who signed him is dumb?
This one belongs to the Reds
If it’s a large market, probably the latter but I won’t be surprised either as they love to ruin the market for all but 10-12 teams like them.
One of those guys would have shelled it out by now if they were so inclined.
The question is, will you admit I’m right if I am? I doubt it.
iverbure
Firstly I’ll ask the questions.
I’m not the one making the prediction pretending to know something I know very little about. Also do you give all your own comments a thumbs up lol.
This one belongs to the Reds
You answered the question without answering the question.
I don’t have to give myself a thumbs up because other people do it anyway.
Besides, I don’t have that kind of ego.
You have no idea who I am or what I know just as the opposite is true. But you just want to be insulting so congratulations!
CaptainJudge99
Getting Profar for $10 million a year is a definitely a fair contract. Going $50-45 for 4 years for Profar is definitely doable. The guy could anywhere on the diamond.
Joe says...
He’s not enough of an upgrade over Hicks to be worth pursuing. At this point, they just as well roll with Cabrera and Hicks until the trade deadline and see what’s available then.
CaptainJudge99
The only thing that Hicks is better then Profar is defensively in left field, other then that Profar is a lot better. If you want Hicks here as a 4th outfielder, because of his defense then that’s fine.
Joe says...
No thanks on Profar. The guy is the poster child of league average. The Yankees need to set their sights higher than that for what’s going to be a multi year contract.
rocky7
Profar….a mutt by any other name…..no thanks….your right…..not enough of an upgrade to spend money on……
CaptainJudge99
Ok I don’t think Profar is coming to the Yankees anyway, not without Hicks being traded before the season. So yes, expect a combination of Hicks, Cabrera, and Florial in leftfield come March 31st.
roiste
He might get that AAV, but not for more than 3 years. He absolutely cannot go “anywhere on the diamond”, he’s an atrocious defender everywhere but LF
drasco036
Just because he has played everywhere doesn’t mean he can… Profar has been brutal defensively outside of LF and 1st base.
JP’s advanced stats are brutal as well but the question is, could the AL East’s hitter friendly parks and limit on the shift help his power numbers when hitting from the left side.
@budselig6969
He’ll end up in the NL Central playing for a team hoping to dump him off at the deadline. Call me a psychic.
rangers13
I know Rangers will be tempted on Profar, but at nowhere near 10M AAV, likely not even at 6.5 AAV. Much rather the Rangers trade for Santander or Hays in BALT, Ramirez from TB, O’Neill in ST. Louis, or Meadows from Det.
Jaysfan1981
If he didn’t want a longer term deal (3 or 4 years) and multiple millions (10 plus per year) He’d be exactly what the Jays need for Kiermier insurance in case Varsho is manning CF more often than not.
If he’d take 1 year at 10 million….. seems fair
Murphy NFLD
I really want the jays to get grossman then need a LHP masher that can play 100 games if needed incase of injury
NoSaint
I doubt he’d sign with the Jays just to be a bench piece. Besides, over the past 3 seasons (360 PA’s) he’s hit lefties at a 95 wRC+ clip and the Jays need a lefty masher.
I doubt that the Jays are willing to spend 10M on a bench piece either. Given what the “lesser” FA’s like Duval,et al got Grossman is a much better alternative.
Jaysfan1981
I’ve never been a fan of Grossman, but wouldn’t be mad if he was a 5th OF 26th man
NoSaint
In a little more PA’s than Profar over the same period, Grossman has a 139 wRC+ against lefties. His defence is a tick below average in the corners over the past 3 seasons. I wouldn’t mind having him as a weak side platoon with Varsho and KK.
I also wouldn’t mind in the slightest if the Jays traded for Robles as a true 4th. Nats fans wanna weigh in?
cbraves
Grossman had some big moments for the Braves last year.
Not a clever name
I could see him being a candidate for San Francisco on a shorter term deal if his market never materializes
DanUgglasRing
Conforto/Haniger/Yaz/Slater/Gonzales/Ramos/Sabol and a dash of Joc seems like they don’t really need Profar to me huh? I’m not saying this looks like an injury free all star outfield or anything but there’s a lot of guys to take reps out there who can hit and defend at Profar’s level.
El Chupacabra
I like Profar, but I think he’ll be lucky to get 2 yrs/18M.
osfandan
Would happily deal Hays or Santander and bring in Profar to help bridge the gap, but only for a year or two max.
Ra
I wouldn’t pay more for Profar as a substitute by itself. I would have to acquire a healthy, reliable MOR SP in a Santander or Hays trade, at least.
THEY LIVE!!!
He’ll sign with a Japanese team. Idiot shouldn’t have opted out of his contract with San Diego.
This one belongs to the Reds
Everybody talks about this guy like he’s the second coming when he hit in the .240s and was a glorified utility player.
It all goes back to his touted prospect status which he never really lived up to. Another example of why I say prospects haven’t proven anything yet when folks talk them up.
C Yards Jeff
Hays 3.2 mil, Mullins 4.1, Santander 7.5 all on one yr deals. All outfielders not converted infielders. And they hit equal to or better than Profar. His agent is looking for a 10 mil yearly over multiple years? Huge morale problem if you bring him in?! Stay away Mike E., stay away.
southern lion
When he was with the Rangers his hype as a prospect caused a rumble in the AL Only fantasy league I’m in. None of it played out like the hype. I got Profarred. 🙁
Franklin Souze
Painful to read how my Red Sox are allegedly loosely tied to every free agent with the slightest proof of life included on their resume.
They are self proclaimed cowboys with a big hat & no cows..
This one belongs to the Reds
All hat, no cattle. Like it.
Wish I could even say that much with my guys. Neither in their case.
So I definitely feel your pain.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
So did he simply do the Padres a budgetary favor or could there be a reunion where he eats crow and goes back at the original rate plus or minus his option price?
I believe he opted out of a $7.5M option for $1M, so he left $6.5M on the table, or really he left $16.5M on the table, thanks to the additional option year, right?
Why not do a new deal where they just guarantee that money and add an additional year at the median value and call it a day?
3 years/$26.25M at $8.75M a year flat w/ no opt outs, no buy outs, no options- done.
Or, again, were the Padres happy he opted out and don’t want him back for those prices?
solaris602
I’d say the latter which would speak volumes because I don’t think there is any team who has recently valued Profar as much as SD has. He’ll land with a team who has literally no viable options in LF, but he’s not getting $10M AAV for 3 or 4 years from anyone.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah I think he may have to take a pay cut in the end, like 1 year/$5.5M or if he’s lucky, 2 years/$13M w/ a $1M buyout on an $8M option.
I think he underestimated the limit of his annual value and would’ve been better off not opting out. Oh well.
Deleted Userr
The 2024 option was a mutual option. He only has to beat 1/$6.5m to come out on top here.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
A mutual option is still an option- if the Padres liked him and felt the AAV was worth it and he felt like he wasn’t going to beat $10M on the open market, it could have been picked up, especially if he performed similarly to his 2022 numbers. This vs. having to beat $6.5M on the open market…which… granted, pitching is at a crazy high premium right now and a lot of players are getting paid more than they’re worth, but if he’s still on the market right now at this point, it means teams view him as a redundant addition or not worth what he will be asking for vs. internal options or cheaper options who won’t want to be paid as much for their services.
I will be quite surprised if he beats $6.5M for one year or $17.5M over two years.
southern lion
Unless I missed it, the article doesn’t state who represents Profar….
Deleted Userr
Boras
southern lion
Well, that might explain why he’s unsigned.
CardsFan57
Hes a Boras client. This will likely be another case of Boras holding out too long and his client eventually settling for a one year contract. Boras’ tactics work very well for him in the big picture. They don’t always work well for his individual clients. I think Boras is willing to somewhat sacrifice lower level clients to keep his hard nosed reputation in place.
southern lion
I think Boras is a typical greedy attorney.
CardsFan57
A very successful greedy attorney.
southern lion
Every greedy attorney is successful if they’re a decent attorney, which IMO, is an oxymoron.
tigerdoc616
Would have loved him in Detroit before the trade with Philly. He could still help an othewise weak offense in Detroit but that isn’t likely. There just isn’t a market for a LF only option despite his offensive skills. At this juncture, I would be surprised if he tops what he would have had in SD and a multi=year deal seems a pipe dream.
Motor City Beach Bum
Agreed…no place for him now in Detroit with Vierling and Maton coming in. Earlier in the offseason maybe but not now.
stymeedone
Profar just had his career year offensively, and was barely average. I would much rather see a rookie given the ABs.
Kai123
Dodgers should pick him up on a 2 year/22
hunteralan
Ha! No…
Motown is My Town
Ya think he may have overestimated his value by turning down that $7.5M option! What a poor move and if I was him I’d be going after his agent for suggesting this dumb move. Hate to say it but I enjoy seeing these athletes outsmart themselves when they decide to get greedy!
Seamaholic
He’ll easily top that.
CenterWingPolitics
Braves and Orioles make a lot of sense for trade partners. Something like Ian Anderson + Kirby Yates (salary dump) for Santander
Roguesaw2
Yates might still have some value left. This Os fan likes it.
Brian 38
I agree that the Braves and O’s should be talking. But I don’t think Anderson fits the metric focus that Elias has. The Braves have done well developing pitchers, if they haven’t been able to get Anderson beyond where he is then I’m not sure there’s much more upside to him.
Ra
Anderson is very good as he is and just coming of age. Signs are pointing up.
Brian 38
@Ra – Maybe you’re right. But I see a guy who has below league average movement on every single one of his pitches. Some significantly below average. In 2021, only has 4-seamer was slightly above average. He’ll be 25 for the bulk of 2023, so he could take another step. Bringing him in is trusting the Holt sees something that Braves development staff doesn’t (and they are pretty good at what they do too).
Ra
I think they need to add another SP. One injury means Watkins and/or Zimmerman are getting regular starts and that is a bad idea. Anderson seems like a better option than Wacha
I’ll have to check Ian’s pitches at Baseball Savant, but maybe Holt can teach him the sweeper slider he so loves.
Ra
That would be a very good trade for the Orioles. Anderson slots right into the rotation that doesn’t have any clear #1 or any other slot, for that matter.
Yates at $7.25MM ( including 2024 buyout) plus 1.5MM the nexr two years for Anderson is way less than Santander’s $7.4MM this year and likely $10-11MM next year. That’s a win-win for Baltimore, especially with so many outfield prospects on the verge (Stowers, Coswer, Kjerstad…) who have earned a shot at taking over in RF.
acoss13
Profar may have overestimated his value. Probably shouldn’t have opted out of the Padres contract he had. Unless he takes a 7-8 million one year deal as a show me deal, he doesn’t have a lot of options. Rays could use him but they won’t bite at 10 million a year.
SalaryCapMyth
I really don’t think the Braves will sign Profar. He’s just not enough of an improvement to commit too AND increase the Braves luxury tax amount. With the Murphy extension, I really think we won’t see anymore significant financial investment from the Braves until money drops off the books. If Profar were willing to do a 1 year contract for $6.5 million, I still don’t think the Braves would pull that trigger though I think if Profar were willing to do that, he would have signed by now.
DanielDannyDano
Jurickson Profar has been in the majors now for 10 seasons and is still only 30 years old. After what seemed like an eternity as MLB’s #1 prospect, the last 5 years, Profar has been a decent MLB regular.. Roughly league average. His best bet was to stay in San Diego
VegasSDfan
Opt out hasn’t worked out for him at this point. I predict he signs a deal with the Padres, maybe a one year deal
sergefunction
The Pads were (secretly) pleased he opted out. Won’t put that out in the public domain, but they were more than ready to move on.
The odd thing – neither party could end up in the same or equal position had he stayed. An odd parting in that respect.
OldSaltUSNR
One thing that’s missing from this discussion is the value Profar beings to the top of a batting order. He’s a tough out, generally finds a way to get on base, and frequently, clutch in both the OF and at the plate. Those virtues can’t be measured via stats alone.
However, he has to be the right fit, for the right team, for his money to work out. That limits his market. Instead of 25+ teams, he’s a good fit more more like a half dozen. That’s his market problem.
bpskelly
Id argue Profar is the exact type of player than smarter front offices will avoid paying 7 to 10 million dollars a year for, while attempting to replicate his numbers with any pre-arbitration player possible. MOST front offices are at least this smart at this point.
And if you look at his numbers, even his GOOD numbers from past years (since let’s face it, that’s how you sell him) he’s decidedly average or slightly above. The war on WAR indeed.
He’s worth something. I just don’t know that it’s close to what he and his agent thinks it is.
OldSaltUSNR
Well, if your agent is named “Boras”, your value is never gonna be as high as he thinks it should be. Good if you can get a team to bite. Maybe not so good, if you’re unsigned in late January.
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
I’m not sure if it’s been said, but the Mets are interested.
Macho King OG
Hard pass on Profar. What the Yankees have now is better. Reynolds caliber at minimum is an improvement.
Rsox
Sign a 1 year deal with the Reds, hit 30 HR’s by the trade deadline then get traded to a contender. Worked for Brandon Drury
RedFraggle
Profar doesn’t make sense for the Orioles.
Even if “a trade would leave the O’s to lean heavily on rookie Kyle Stowers” they also have top 50 prospect Colton Cowser waiting in the wings and Adam Frazier who can play outfield. If you say, “Well then Frazier in the outfield makes the infield weak” then I’d counter with Jordan Westburg, Connor Norby, and Joey Ortiz are all top 100 prospects and are all ready for the call.
Profar would just delay their arrival in Baltimore for no apparent reason. In fact, I wonder why they wouldn’t trade Urias or Mateo to free up some infield space.
Old timer 78
Profar has made himself into a above average outfielder. He played a little 1B with the Friars. Very well liked in the Club House. $$$ Talks. I was surprised he opteded out of Padre contract. The Grass is not always Greener.
BenBenBen
You can start a sentence with the word “meanwhile,” I promise you it’s ok.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Are you trying to tell.me the Tigers are not too cheap to invest in their own company?….
Try again…I’ve already heard enough…..
This is…false news…
Balzenuf
there is none. failed prospect. insurance salesman…
Thornton Mellon
I could understand Profar to the Orioles if either Hays or Santander is traded for pitching. One year with an option to hedge against Stowers et al not blooming at the MLB level.
He does get on base a little better than either Hays or Santander…similar power to Hays, less than Santander…older than both.
But if the Orioles don’t trade for pitching…which they seem determined to never do… there’s no point.