It has now been more than two weeks since Carlos Correa and the Mets agreed to terms on a 12-year contract. That came within hours of his deal with the Giants falling through because of the club’s concerns with his physical. New York took similar umbrage with Correa’s right leg during their own examination a few days later, however, leaving one of the market’s top free agents in something of a state of limbo.
Since the Mets expressed concern about Correa’s physical a few days before Christmas, the organization and the two-time All-Star’s camp have maintained ongoing optimism about their ability to work through the issue. For the last two weeks, Correa’s representatives at the Boras Corporation had solely been in contact with the Mets as they worked to finalize the deal. That’s apparently changing now, as Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that Boras engaged at least one other team regarding Correa this afternoon.
To be clear, that’s not to say Correa is moving on from the Mets. Indeed, they still seem his likeliest destination. A Mets official expressed confidence to Heyman they’ll still get the contract done even with Correa opening talks with at least one more team. Andy Martino of SNY similarly tweeted this afternoon the Mets and Correa’s camp were continuing to work on a resolution.
Nevertheless, it’s a notable development that another club is at least peripherally back in the mix. The Post’s Mike Puma reported last week that at least three other teams had reached out to Correa in the wake of the physical snag with the Mets. Correa didn’t engage in those discussions at the time, so today’s development marks a notable change in his camp’s tack.
Heyman writes today the Twins are one of the clubs that have tried to reengage Correa at some point over the past couple weeks. Minnesota maintained throughout the offseason they were hoping to bring him back after his lone season in the Twin Cities. They reportedly made a ten-year, $285MM offer earlier in the winter, but that fell shy of both the $350MM the Giants were originally set to guarantee Correa and the $315MM the Mets had put on the table. According to multiple reports, Minnesota didn’t up that offer between the time the Giants deal fell through and his agreement with New York. Whether the Twins still have a $285MM offer on the table isn’t clear, although it stands to reason they’d have some concerns of their own about the status of Correa’s leg until/unless they conduct a physical as well.
Minnesota still has a vacancy at shortstop, with stopgap veteran Kyle Farmer looking to be the current favorite at the position. Which other teams could be involved is unknown. Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi told reporters last week it was unlikely the club would circle back to Correa. The Braves and Red Sox each lost star shortstops in free agency this winter, though neither was tied especially strongly to Correa at any point in the offseason. Atlanta seems unlikely to make a massive free agent strike, while Boston just agreed to terms with Rafael Devers on a $313.5MM extension yesterday.
The Orioles were loosely linked to Correa at one point but never seemed to seriously make a run at a top-of-the-market free agent. The Padres, Phillies and Cubs each turned elsewhere in free agency for a star shortstop and the Dodgers reportedly had little interest in Correa thanks to his ties to the 2017 Astros.
All things considered, it’d appear the Twins would be the strongest competition for the Mets. That’d seem to be contingent on talks with New York falling apart. Heyman characterizes those discussions as “sticky” but there’s no suggestion they’re at a dire point.
Multiple reports in recent weeks have suggested the Mets are looking to add language that’d allow them to get out of part of the contract if Correa suffers a serious right leg injury. Puma first reported a week ago such a concept was under discussion. Ken Rosenthal reiterated that on The Athletic’s podcast on Tuesday, suggesting the deal would require some kind of modification to protect the Mets in case of injury.
Heyman echoes those reports, writing the Mets are insistent on including some kind of injury provision. According to Heyman, the club doesn’t want to make any major changes to the base 12-year, $315MM structure. They do, however, apparently want to build in a manner of lowering that guarantee and/or allowing them to get out of the contract early in the event Correa spends a certain amount of time on the injured list with a right leg problem specifically. How long such an IL stint would have to be and how many years or dollars could be voided in the case of an injury would have to be agreed upon by both sides, and it seems those issues are holding up the contract’s finalization.
That kind of clause is rare but not entirely without precedent. As an example, fellow Boras Corporation client J.D. Martinez altered his deal with the Red Sox over the 2018-19 offseason after the team flagged a foot issue during his physical. The sides moved forward with their agreed-upon five-year, $110MM framework but included stipulations that would’ve allowed the Red Sox to opt out of the final two years of the contract in the event Martinez suffered another foot injury that resulted in a lengthy injured list stint (as reported by Evan Drellich, then of NBC Sports Boston). Martinez never suffered a serious injury and wound up playing out the five-year deal before hitting free agency again this winter.
The Mets continue to try to work out a similar provision in this case. Where the winding saga will go next is to be determined, but it’ll remain the offseason’s main storyline until Correa officially signs a contract somewhere.
mnnorthernjuice
Twins! Come Home!
Buckner
“New York took similar umbrage with Correa’s right leg”
That’s a pretty strong choice of words, don’t you think? Umbrage?
If Correa wants to try and get another deal, let him try. Good luck.
Francys01
Must be the Red Sox, Twins or Phillies. The Phillies are a team that if they want to sign Correa they have the resources to do it. Turner at shortstop, Correa at third, but only if he decides to play third for the Phillies, Bohm at first and Hoskins could be the DH or he could be traded.
Salvi
Doubt its the Red Sox.
1) They are At/Over the cap, and this would push them well over it.
2) They don’t have many dealings with Boras Free Agents. Of the big market teams I’ll bet they are one of the least often landing spot for Boras Clients. (Not talking about drafted Boras players).
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
Yoshida?
VonPurpleHayes
Lol it’s not the Phillies at all.
GASoxFan
Had the red sox been willing to go there they’d have paid less for Bogey than a damaged correa. And you know he’s not interested in a 4-6 year pact, even now.
VonPurpleHayes
Also, I hate the idea of Correa at third. The guy is an elite SS. Moving him to 3b devalues him significantly.
phillyphilly4133
I know it’s been discussed.
Correa to third. Bohm moves to 1st. Hoskins gets traded.
acell10
They are still well under the tax. The extension for Devers doesn’t kick in until next year so this year he only counts for the 17.5 he signed for originally.
Francys01
We shall see.
GASoxFan
Acell, it all depends how it is introduced and officially announced.
If they do it as an extension of the existing deal, it lowers the AAV by shifting some future CBT salary to this season. Few million a year, but still, if you expect to be done with big ticket items it’s the smart move.
If, however, they announce it after opening day as a new contract starting next year, they’re only at 17.5m this season but have a little less room every year of the future term.
For a team that just missed significantly better draft picks and bonus pool by being a couple million over, that looms large.
Salvi
Pedro Mango:
Yoshida and . . . ? Read my post again “don’t have many dealings”
Raphael Devers, David Price, Chris Sale, Pablo Sandoval, Hanley Ramirez are not represented by Boras.
Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts are represented by Boras.
acell10
Mookie betts isn’t a Boras client
Salvi
acell10:
Thanx for pointing that out. Tough to find hard facts on agents. Take him off the list, the point is still valid.
jopeness
Granted not the only stat, but defensive runs saved marked him 20th among SS. 11th if you take players with over 1k innings played. he was 4th in fielding %. I ref’d the fieldingbible for these #s. but he was #1 2018-2021. perhaps the change in stadium detracted. I thought I was on to something when I first looked but then I dug more but didn’t want to cancel post cause its still good stat info.
Steve Adams
For what it’s worth, we have an agency database here at MLBTR:
MLBTradeRumors.com/agencydatabase
It’s not flawless, as players make switches regularly and they’re not always reported/we aren’t always alerted when it happens, but we do our best to keep it updated based on public reporting and our sources.
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
The point is historically the Red Sox have employed many Boras clients. It’s just unlikely they’ll be interested in this one.
Blue Baron
@HuntingtonGrounds: What cap?
Blue Baron
@Francys01: Thank you, Captain Obvious! Are all you Cardinals fans so perceptive?
Salvi
Ty Steve, in fact I remembered it after I posted.
Salvi
Are you knitpicking the word “cap” instead of “threshhold”. Seriously?
Blue Baron
I am neither knitpicking nor NITPICKING. Cap and threshold, a word you didn’t even use at first, have very different meanings. Cap is applicable only in the case of an actual, you know, salary cap that limits player compensation to a fixed amount. This does not and never will exist in MLB.
GASoxFan
Meanwhile the MLBPA would take the position that the CBT acts as a de facto cap for the majority of teams each year, and, every team thus far with regard to long range planning via the 3 year reset strategy.
So what? Anyone with any baseball acumen got the gist, and, this is the comments section on a rumors website. Comments aren’t vetted through an editorial staff.
WAR_OVERRATED
Please check these advanced statistics or metrics or cybermetrics. Pay special attention to FIELDING.
Lateral Towards 3b and 1B.
OAA
Dansby Swanson: 21
Francisco Lindor: 13
Jeremy Pena: 7
Xander Bogaerts: 5
Trea Turner: 0
Javier Baez: 1
Carlos Correa: -3
Pads Fans
mlbtraderumors.com/agencydatabase
padam
How many times are you going to post that?
deweybelongsinthehall
Just makes sense it’s the Twins since they have his medicals from last year’s IME.
KnightOfNi
They certainly ignore Pujols and Yadier’s indulgence of PED’s.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
@acell10 keep dreaming, it’s not the Red Sox
Poster formerly known as . . .
He was a elite defender leading up to 2022. The metrics show his defense taking a step back last year. Maybe that’s why interested teams are focused on his surgically repaired ankle.
‘Dr. Laith Jazrawi, a sports orthopedic surgeon at NYU Langone who has not treated Correa, said the two teams likely saw post-traumatic arthritis in the ankle. This could possibly lead to problems with the ankle within the next decade, which is well within the range of the 12-year contract the Mets offered Correa and the 13-year deal the Giants offered him before it fell apart and he agreed to terms with the team in Queens.
‘“Post-traumatic arthritis — meaning even if you stabilize it and make it perfect, there’s still an injury that’s impacted on the ankle,” Dr. Jazrawi told the Daily News in a phone interview on Thursday. “And there may be finding suggestive of some other issues there that may necessitate surgery later on, that doesn’t necessarily have a great outcome.”’
yahoo.com/lifestyle/doctor-weighs-carlos-correa-an…
LordD99
Anyone whose name is WAR OVERRATED, but then tries to use “advanced” metrics, in this case a single defensive metric for a single season, and refers to sabermetrics as cybermetrics, either is showing a profound lack of knowledge about what he’s attempting to explain, or is purposefully lying. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say the former, not that that’s a good look for you either.
Mystery Team
No way Philly is interested especially after Bohm looked so good down the stretch and in the playoffs. Why spend stupid money on a guy that won’t hit any better than your current 3B who by the way makes very little and is under control for a while at very reasonable money? This is all Boras planted nonsense to put heat on Cohen. I don’t blame Boras either it’s pretty obvious that Steve Cohen can’t show restraint.
DakotaJoe
please tell Boras my 20 year offer still hands – he works 10 hours a week as my personal butler/
acell10
never said it was pwndroia and based on the fact that a second team has raised concerns I’m not sure I want it to be red sox unless it’s for a year or two which isn’t happening either.
bwmiller
If the Mets aren’t going through with the Correa deal, they could probably pry away Devers from the Red Sox for a few top prospects.
Baty, Mauricio and Ramirez would all slot in nicely with Boston, the Red Sox are in the beginning of a rebuild, trading Devers to a team who has showed the willingness to take on a big contract is not out of the question.
acell10
@bwmiller were you without internet for the past 2 days or something? The sox just resigned Devers to an 11 year contract extension yesterday. He’s not going anywhere.
bwmiller
I read that news, but in some ways the extension with the Red Sox makes Devers easier to trade, it’s all perspective I guess, but if you’re the Mets, you might be willing to give up more in a trade than you were had you been trading for Devers on a one year deal, so I’d say it’s a possibility because the Mets have some nice prospects, and are in win now mode and the Red Sox are at the forefront of a rebuild.
acell10
you’re not giving a player 331 million to turn around and trade him a week. later. That makes zero sense.
bwmiller
Well if you’re Boston you don’t want to make a trade preseason because you might be able to get more at the deadline, and if you’re the Mets you don’t want to mortgage the farm for a player on a one year deal without the assurance that you can extend him long-term, so it makes some sense.
Red Sox are in a good spot in my opinion, they have Devers signed long term and can keep him for the duration of the contract, or, if a team like the Mets or the Dodgers are interested, they can leverage more in a trade because Devers is signed long term.
acell10
That’s still silly. Can you name one team that signed a player to a long term extension only to turn around and trade him within the first season? I can’t think of any. The Sox clearly plan to build around Devers. If they wanted to trade they wouldn’t have bothered with the extension and the fact that a team would have to pay the entirety of that contract immediately reduces the return for the Red Sox.
acell10
or the sox would have to eat a ton of it
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Gotcha. I wrongly implied.
Poster formerly known as . . .
“an elite” — dunno how that got past me.
carllafong
Fortunately, half of the geniuses posting here don’t know what umbrage means, and are most likely too lazy to use ‘The Google.’
gfan
Maybe you should give tutelage on umbrage then.
claude raymond
so gfan, even further he should offer tutelage on the usage of umbrage in our language
gfan
Exactly!
Bart Harley Jarvis
Indubitably!
Blue Baron
@claude raymond: Brevity is the soul of wit and good writing is concise. These are obviously not your strengths. “Tutelage on umbrage” says exactly the same thing in three words as “tutelage on the usage of umbrage in our language” does in nine.
Jaysfan1981
@Carlla
I take Umbrage with your statement and would retort “the Google” doesn’t always provide factual up to date information either
Pads Fans
Or a dictionary.
CaptainJudge99
@gfan- Still hoping for your Giants to sign Correa or Arson Judge in your delusional state of mind? I hear it’s close.
Rking
Harrumph
Poster formerly known as . . .
‘“Tutelage on umbrage” says exactly the same thing in three words as “tutelage on the usage of umbrage in our language” does in nine.’
Both gfan and claude played humorously on the consonance of the repeated “-age” in “tutelage,” “usage,” “umbrage,” and “language.”
It appears that you took them seriously when they evidently were being facetious.
prov356
Can’t use the Cambridge Dictionary anymore.
gfan
Sorry for the delusional mind. I must have took too much umbrage back in my high school days. Keep burning your tired Arson joke though it always pleases the Yankee minds.
Blue Baron
@Fink Ployed: And it appears that you misinterpreted my pointing out the ridiculousness of their facetiousness as me taking them seriously.
SalaryCapMyth
@Buckner. Did you need something to complain about?
Orichalcon
my power bill is kinda high…
Moonlight Graham
Strong, perhaps. But more to the point, it’s incorrectly used.
Like the Giants, the Mets were alarmed or concerned by the results of Correa’s physical exam? Maybe “trepidation” could apply here?
BlueSkies_LA
I’m pretty offended by Correa’s right leg too. I mean, who isn’t?
Poster formerly known as . . .
D.H. Lawrence took umbrage at a certain Wet-Leg once upon a time:
I can’t stand Willy Wet-Leg,
Can’t stand him at any price.
He’s resigned, and when you hit him
he lets you hit him twice.
Canosucks
As a long time Mets Fan I am hoping he goes elsewhere; everything I research about this kind of injury and repair it does not lend itself to a long term contract.
Strange how he would turn down 285 million with the Twins for 10 years to go for 3 and change; at some point does it matter?
Anyway I wish him all the luck and success in the world
rabidrabbit
@Buckner They were like *posh British accent* “What?! Well, excuse me, we are not amused. This right leg is the most offensive thing we have seen today!Quite reprehensible, dear chap…this is just not cricket!” 😛
trog
Exactly what I was thinking. Do another large AAV deal with a player opt out.
Tcsbaseball
Maybe the mystery 3rd team won’t mind his damaged leg
Samuel
In that case it’s the Padres.
GASoxFan
You’ve got to wonder how much stock to put in comments being printed elsewhere. Aside from the twins comfort level taking the issue into account, a while ago I made a guess that NY might have issues obtaining insurance on the contract. Just recently I read that insurance coverage was declined on the leg, now, whether that was just at a palatable rate, or, if it was refused by the carriers entirely, that’s a whole different question.
It’ll be interesting to hear if more is said about that.
Mystery Team
I was wondering about that myself.
abc123baseball
Yeah, the LG Twins of NPB.
Yankee Clipper
To be clear, it does say “Correa’s team in discussion with at least one other team…”
It doesn’t say if the “other team” is actually talking back to them about anything with substance….
Boras: “Carlos open for business. Get him on a great, low-priced deal for 10/years, $300MM!”
Mystery Team: “Soooo, how about them Giants besting the Colts to make the playoffs last weekend, Scotty? You have any money on them?”
GASoxFan
Yankee – doesn’t boras still field a team out of his training academy for unsigned mlb FA clients? Maybe it’s the team showing interest since it’s where correa is headed at this rate
Yankee Clipper
Forgot about that GA! Someone was there for a couple months last year too, I think. Perhaps it was 2021, but it was another notable FA.
Good call.
jopeness
Pretty sure it was Conforto
Mystery Team
Not interested Clipper sorry.
CaptainJudge99
And that mystery team is the Giants! Lol.
Blue Baron
@mnnorthernjuice: How is a place he played for one year home?
iverbure
Why on earth would any team want him at this point unless there is specific language in the contract that protects the team against the leg issue that has caused two teams to pull out of the deal now. Clearly the leg is damaged to the point where doctors feel as though if he reinsures the leg he won’t be the same player. I’d give him one year deals only. If his leg snaps again then you’re only invest for one year.
Mystery Team
“The same player”? He’s not that great already so how bad will he get?
LordD99
This is a standard Boras tactic using his reliable leak partner, Jon Heyman, to put some additional pressure on the Mets side to close a deal. During negotiations, it’s helpful if the other side believes there could be another bidder. There could be a second team, or there might not be. This is a variation on Boras’ “mystery” team that he uses Heyman to frequently break, real or not.
ScottBoras
Better plug the leak because there’s actually 2 mystery teams and ones close to striking.
Pads Fans
There are now 3 other writers reporting that the Twins are in. 2 writers are saying 3 teams are in.
Its going to be interesting. Never count out Preller either.
What do you think about Machado, Correa, Boegarts, Cronenworth across the infield with Kim traded for a starting pitcher?
jimthegoat
Bogaerts was signed with the promise that he would get to play shortstop. From a pure baseball standpoint there’s no reason to play him there over Kim as it is.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Keep the rat in NY.
EliMorganFanClub
It’s gotta be the Twins
YourDreamGM
Could be them, or someone else or nobody. What are they going to say. There are no other teams interested in my client. If the Mets don’t give him a massive amount of money we are finished.
avenger65
It could also be that Boras is floating a rumor that there is another team interested even though there isn’t. It’s his way of telling the Mets that if they don’t sign Correa soon, someone else will.
YourDreamGM
I refuse to believe such a crazy conspiracy theory.
jopeness
@Your, I know to think any agent, let alone the saint Boras would do such a thing.
Milwaukee-2208
Oakland coming in with that 10 year 7 million dollar contract
trog
Pittsburgh will offer that same 10 year deal with 6.8 mil deferred beginning in 2049 and the other .2 mil being a donation to the Bob Nutting Foundation for Miserly Owners.
User 2079935927
Sure it’s $10.00 7 years?????? C’mon we’re talking Moneyball.
VegasSDfan
Orioles 10 years 10 million
niched
At least the Orioles signed Miguel Tejada years ago — better than Correa and no bum leg
Snellzilla #7
Nippon Ham Fighters, 5/$10mil
Balk
Don’t believe it one bit. Boras being Boras.
Buckner
Yup.
Lars MacDonald
Especially because John Heyman has always been a shill for Boras.
amanateeamongmen
Pass the popcorn, please.
GASoxFan
Boras is like the stereotypical used car salesman selling a car(correa) with ‘only 90k miles showing’…
Except you run a carfax and learn it’s got a salvage title history in another state, and, the odometer was rolled back and its really got 260k miles of wear and tear.
But he still wants that top dollar
mlb1225
Yeah, but he gets it done most of the time. He earns $100 million annually for a reason.
GASoxFan
Bernie Madoff also cleared $100 million annually for a reason.
JeffreyChungus
Chaim
roiste
That would be a lot of fun but it’s not going to happen lmao
abc123baseball
You misspelled sham
Jimbo_Jones
I hear the dodgers are poking around for a SS but mostly on the trade market
Blank Frank
Dodgers are going with Lux and avoiding the Lux-ury tax.
Jimbo_Jones
They have some interest in SDs kim but will never happen…something about a guy named Trevor
coloredpaper
Do tell?
Old York
It’s the Twins. They had him last year and don’t care about the leg.
User 2079935927
Either that they were looking at Carlos Mencia’s medical records.
Jaysfan1981
Mencia can steal jokes but he can’t steal bases or steal hits from the gap
Flyby
there’s a big difference for company to insure someone for a year vs 10 yrs at 25M+ .. Does a team want to be on the hook for 250M-300M if correa goes out in the spring training this year and breaks his leg and ends his career your on the hook for all of that.
fre5hwind
Pirates by a long shot.
MasterShake
Boras getting restless
Rsox
Boras is trying to back Cohen in a corner as “Mystery Team” is the only other team with a higher payroll than the Mets
VonPurpleHayes
I doubt it. The Mets are already at the table. Boras isn’t making up mystery teams at this stage. I think the Twins or Giants reached out.
GASoxFan
Giants sound like they’ve moved on and don’t want to pay him in addition to the expenditures already this offseason. Plus, the slap in the face to the org and fans by not working through the first deal to run to the Mets doesn’t exactly make you want to re-engage. Teams want guys who want to be there, not somewhere that settles for you grudgingly
Twins? Maybe.
Snellzilla #7
Yeah I don’t think it’s the Giants. They mishandled the Correa situation embarrassingly
rct
No, they didn’t. They agreed to a deal with him pending a physical. They didn’t like what they saw in the physical, so the deal was off. It went exactly how it’s supposed to. The fact that the Mets *also* found something they didn’t like in their physical for Correa vindicates the Giants.
JoeBrady
How so?
utah cornelius
Because they both found something wrong in the medical reports, making it perfectly fitting to back out, as the Giants.
petefrompp
Exactly the opposite. Now that the details have come out – the Giants handled this professionally and in a manner that all players – including Correa, and Agents – including Boras , would appreciate.
Again – at this point it its highly doubtful the Giants requested the Monday December 19th date for the physical When there was an issue – they immediately contacted Boras. Boras didn’t agree with their assessment of Correa. The asked for more time to evaluate- Boras said no.
Press conference canceled – The Giants didn’t leak anything to the press. They went completely silent- didn’t comment on Correa and the physical, didn’t say anything about Boras not granting time- not a peep. They didn’t want to do anything to negatively impact Correa’s market- they took the entire brunt of the contract failure- and were criticized loudly by both the national as well as local press.
They only commented on the contract failure after Boras made his statement – where he still threw the Giants under the bus – Boras stated “There are things in his medical record that happened decades ago. These are all speculative dynamics.” The Giants then finally broke their silence with :
“While we are prohibited from disclosing confidential medical information, as Scott Boras stated publicly, there was a difference of opinion over the results of Carlos’ physical examination,” the statement read. “We wish Carlos the best.” right there – as Scott Boras has stated publicly – there was a difference of opinion over the results of Carlos’ physical . The Giants didn’t even state they found anything concerning etc. The Giants ate this and didn’t want to hurt any chance Carlos’ had with another team.
In hindsight they were more than professional
Pads Fans
The Giants blew it They waited nearly a week to get a physical done and scheduled a press conference before Correa even took his physical and cancelled that press conference just hours before it was to happen. That’s about as unprofessional as you can get at that level.
GASoxFan
I’ve seen worse pads fans.
It’s not ideal, but, lends credence to the belief to say the team clearly expected the physical to be a rubber stamp based on the med records that were provided in advance.
As far as *why* the physical was when it was, we can only wonder about player and physicians availability. Could even be some records from the old injury that needed to be gathered to be reviewed prior to the physical, who knows.
What we DO know from statements is that the team was proactive in reaching the player/agent as soon as possible afterwards. I tend to give the benefit of the doubt except following egregious abuses of trust, such as we’ve seen for 4 years now coming out of Boston for example
Snellzilla #7
Exactly #Pads Fans. I am a Giants fan and I can admit that
Pads Fans
Players are required to make themselves available within 24 hours. There are extenuating circumstances where it can take longer, but for the most part they fly in the next day for their physical like Correa did for the Mets.
What we know is that the Giants announced the 2 PM ET Tuesday press conference on Saturday. They didn’t have a physical done yet at that time even though 4 days had passed since coming to an agreement with Correa and notifying the league offices.
That is a level of incompetence I would not tolerate in my business.
At 11AM ET Zaidi called Boras and asked for more time. When asked how much time, he said until 4 PM ET.
At 10:15 AM ET the Giants sent out an email cancelling the press conference.
At 4 PM ET they reached out to Boras to ask for more time. He told them at that point that he would engage with other teams while they reviewed the medicals more thoroughly.
7 hours later, at 11 PM ET that night Boras reached out to Cohen and spent until 10 AM Hawaii time on Wednesday, which is 3 PM ET I think, hammering out a deal.
On Thursday Correa had his physical for the Mets.
LordD99
@Von, sure he is, or more appropriately, he would use that tactic. There is no deal until ink hits contract. He always creates mystery to increase pressure. Boras and Heyman are Lennon and McCartney in the free agency game.
Mystery13
Back to the astros
User 2079935927
Right!!! When they got someone just aa good and paying him $700K.
Mystery13
He’ll be a catcher
User 401527550
That’s funny. Just as good.
Eliteb43
First of all, to the guy thinking Pena is equal to Correa… Correa is so much better than Pena. Pena had a great year. No knock on him, but Correa is far superior. Number two… who cares if they have an elite lineup already. If you can get another elite player, get him. Rotate the infielders between Correa and DH to keep everyone fresh. Bregman has played left before. Add Correa to that line up, and it’s 120 wins
WAR_OVERRATED
Only in a dream Carlos “Show me the Money my time past” Correa, is better right now than Jeremy “World Series” Peña.
Please check these advanced statistics or metrics or cybermetrics. Pay special attention to FIELDING.
Lateral Towards 3b and 1B.
OAA
Dansby Swanson: 21
Francisco Lindor: 13
Jeremy Pena: 7
Xander Bogaerts: 5
Trea Turner: 0
Javier Baez: 1
Carlos Correa: -3
Pads Fans
No defensive metric is used on a single season basis. Always 3 seasons. Even OAA. To much variance in a single season. Don’t believe me? Ask the guys that developed the DRS and OAA defensive metrics.
Correa has a 14 OAA over the last 3 seasons, 23 OAA over the last 3 full seasons. Top 4 or 5 in baseball depending on your preferred amount of data.
Over the last 3 seasons Correa at a 30 DRS is the best defensive SS according to that metric. 32 over the last 3 full seasons.
Then there is the other side of the game, offense.
Pena had a 101 OPS+. Kim for the Padres was better than he was with the bat.
Correa had a 140 OPS+ so he was nearly 40% better with the bat than Pena.
Salvi
No way 2020, three years ago and shortened Covid-related season should be given anything but the minimal consideration. Wrong to give that season just as much weight as last season.
abc123baseball
Ass to the backstros
getrealgone2
Boras working the Mets
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t think so. I think Correa was getting offers this whole time, but the general thinking was the Mets had it in the bag. Now that he doesn’t like the Mets stipulations, he’s taking calls. There’s likely legit interest from the Twins and more.
CarverAndrews
How quickly would that change the narrative in Boston if they end up with Correa? After the Devers signing, this would really give John Henry another leg to stand on…
…only one however.
roiste
If the Red Sox only offered Bogaerts $160M, they’re not giving Correa whatever he eventually takes. This leg thing makes him even more questionable at short than Bogey, and with Devers locked up there’s nowhere to put him if he does need to move off position
VonPurpleHayes
I will say that would be really neat, but the Sox let some pitchers go, and I still think even with Correa, they’d have difficulty making the playoffs. Still, it’d be nice to see them at the top again.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I think the Martinez deal makes sense or even a Buxton type deal with a moderately lucrative base salary and easily achieved incentives if he stays healthy, as well as sizable bonuses for MVP placing etc etc.
12 years was always insane. I think a 7 year/$175M guarantee w/ $6M a year in easily achievable incentives (plate appearances etc) and end of year bonuses for the leg not requiring surgery/rehab etc and no other language related to any other possible injuries and a vesting option for 3 years/$100M w/ additional annual incentives of $4.335M that could take it to 10 years/$330M total would be completely sensible and fair and protect the team that signs him whine still providing every possible dollar to him if he stays healthy and productive.
BuyBuyMets
If he’s not willing to do a deal with some kind of team protection for his ticking time bomb leg, it tells you all you need to know about how poorly a 10 or more year deal is going to pan out.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Oh absolutely. I’ve been saying since this came out and really since the beginning of this saga that he knows he isn’t worth any of these proposed deals but he’s determined to get his $300M+ guarantee and there’s no way to comport that amount of money with the number of years he actually deserves.
He’s the epitome of a year to year player and the irony is he could stay healthy and continue to justify 1 year deals at max salaries and get very close to his financial goals faster than a long term guarantee would allow for, but he knows he won’t stay healthy and/or productive enough to keep getting deals to reach 10+ years totaling $300M+…. So he won’t settle for less than that in guarantees, requiring over 10 years on any given contract proposal, which he can’t and shouldn’t get.
A 3 or 4 year deal for $100M or $140M isn’t insane. But it’s nowhere near $300M, so he won’t settle for a same contract.
vaderzim
The plot thickens…
Snellzilla #7
Gets much thicker it’ll be solid
abc123baseball
Thicker than scar tissue in a lower extremity.
roiste
One has to imagine that the Twins were aware of this leg issue when they signed him last year. Seems like they’d be the likeliest landing spot if this does eventually fall through
leftykoufax
Bye Bye 300 million, oh well.
YourDreamGM
Disappointing. I wanted to see another massive overpay.
Gwynning
Oh you will. Profar won’t be unsigned forever.
BuyBuyMets
Correa= overrated drama queen
Just sign somewhere already!
Skebinx
Agree 100% he is an overrated drama queen. He is also a cheating be-otch, who along with those other Astros cheaters should have been suspended from MLB.
Jaysfan1981
Jesus, im a Jays fan. But common bro, it’s 2023
Move past it. People don’t hate the Whitesox still because they threw away a WS out of spite.
slowcurve
Shoeless Joe and the gang are dead. I’ll hate Correa until he’s out of the game….of life.
Skebinx
Thank you!
Skebinx
I’m not hating on the Astros – just a few a-holes that cheated.
PaulyMidwest
Cubs bout to blow some minds. Lol jk..Boras just trying to make Cohen sweat
MarlinsFanBase
It’s the Marlins.
5 years for $150, with a chance to make $50 more if he can also moonlight as the Closer starting in May after Dylan Floro blows 7 saves in April.
VonPurpleHayes
It would be totally amazing if the Marlins did that.
MarlinsFanBase
It would. I don’t think our nation’s leadership would be ok with it though because it’s below minimum wage.
rct
Is this $150 million or just $150?
MarlinsFanBase
Just $150
Jaysfan1981
It can be 150 million peso, and you just put it in incredibly small fine print.
Boras probably won’t notice
MarlinsFanBase
Overall, this is getting laughable with Correa going all over the place to get a contract.
Skebinx
The Brisbane Bandits of the Australian Baseball League are in the market for a new SS.
Snellzilla #7
He’ll be a Nippon Ham Fighter before we know it
Skebinx
Maybe he’ll luck out like Ronaldo and Saudi Arabia will now create a fictious baseball league and pay him a boatload of cash to play there.
MarlinsFanBase
I don’t know…Once he signs with the Wal-Mart Whammers, Correa and Yasiel Puig are going to make a devastating duo in that lineup. They can go all the way against Amazon once Wal-Mart adds Trevor Bauer to shore up their pitching staff.
Skebinx
Love it! The all scum bag team. Unfortunately, the roster is limited to 26 players.
avenger65
He’ll sign for Saudi Arabia in the LIV league.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I think if the Twins original offer still stood, Boras & Correa would jump on it.
Dogs
As a Tiger Fan I would love to see Correa sign a 10 year deal to stay with the twins.
Moneyballer
So you can see Correa play blast off at Comerica? That makes sense but then again the Tigers are very used to losing!
AllinTX
He would already signed, so I doubt it.
User 2079935927
Who’s going to talk the Mets fans off the ledge????
User 401527550
I didn’t care for this move from the get go. Let him walk and give Baty his shot like the original plan was.
Ma4170
Yes, please
VonPurpleHayes
It’s amazing how loved or hated Correa is going to be by Mets fans in the coming weeks.
Yankee Clipper
It’s kind of surprising that Correa’s camp think they have any leverage at all. They would if they drop his years down below 5, but anywhere near 10 isn’t getting it done for any team it appears.
I heard on a couple different podcasts that Cohen is trying to have some protective language added into the contract, and although it’s been done before, it’s never been done to this degree. It’s been common among pitchers, like Castillo, who had TJ added into his contract as an exclusion for paid injury, but it’s only during his last year of play. Correa’s is going to be a nightmare to figure out with Boras as the agent.
gfan
Heyman on the Boras payroll.
Always there with the last minute mystery team to apply pressure.
I don’t see how these GMs can believe this crap anymore.
fivepoundbass
Agreed. When I saw the article title, I was aure that it would be based on something Heyman said.
Pads Fans
If Boras lied, teams would not trust him, and he would not be by far the best agent in baseball.
Salvi
Teams dont trust him, but they have to deal with him because he controls many of the biggest names in the game.
jimthegoat
Boras lies all the time. The Carter Stewart grievance for instance.
CaseyAbell
Boras uses his press agent, a.k.a. Jon Heyman, to pressure the Mets into signing. We’ve seen this kind of stuff before. We’ll see it again.
EBJ
Heyman influencing Cohen in baseball matters is as likely as Cohen relying on Maria Bartiromo for his business decisions.
KnightOfNi
The Money Honey! Sign me up!
Old York
Tampa has been quiet this off-season, could be them. 10 years, $30M.
avenger65
Which Tampa team are you talking about?
Blank Frank
Another one-year deal with the Twins
Moneyballer
No way.
urnuts
Prediction LA Angels increase their budget for 2023 to $250 million and sign him the a deal that has $28 AV. He never plays more than 100 games in a season for them.
Boras lives in OC and has Arte’s ear and convinces him this would increase the value of the team sell.
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
This … is not that far-fetched
carllafong
You laugh, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Angels are lurking in the weeds with an overpay for one-year at $35M and telling him he can reboot next year.
urnuts
I would love a 1 year deal in Anaheim. Or when 3 at 100.
iBleeedBlue
MLB = WWE
Dodgers get him on a 2-4 year deal worth about 28 annually.
Snellzilla #7
Dodgers hate Correa
iBleeedBlue
No ish Sherlock, I’ve been rooting for them since 1985.
There’s no practical or common knowledge involved in what I’m saying here, just pure speculation based on my ever increasing belief that MLB has become scripted.
Josht
Bah gawd a face turn
2020Sucks 2
Savannah Bananas?
phenomenalajs
Nice! There’s a 7-footer the O’s drafted that played for them over the summer.
As for Correa, I’m pretty confident the Mets sign him before the House elects a speaker.
Krob
Nice phenomenalajs- That is the best thing I’ve read all day, Thanks!!
put it in the books
Boras isn’t getting what he wants and has no leverage so the mystery team move had to happen so he can feign having options. There aren’t any teams left that are going to give $300m+ deals who aren’t going to have concerns about his leg. If the Twins have no concerns about it and give him $285m that’s a $30m concession right off the top that he might as well make for the Mets. Plus I think he wants to play in NY on that team and not go back to Minnesota
VonPurpleHayes
Or, the Mets smartly added a ton of stipulations to the contract, and Correa isn’t thrilled about it. There’s no doubt in my mind that 4-5 teams would still be willing to give Correa a huge deal. I don’t think Boras needs to bluff at this point.
JoeBrady
There’s no doubt in my mind that 4-5 teams would still be willing to give Correa a huge deal.
===================
If he had huge offers from 4-5 teams, he wouldn’t still be talking to the Mets.
Curveball1984
Exactly. And don’t forget, all of the teams he had leverage with, I have no doubt that he and Boras held out for more money as he was the premiere free agent of 2022-23. But all of the interested parties pivoted after the faux Giants deal. Phillies signed Turner, Padres signed Boegarts, Cubs signed Swanson, leaving the Twins as the only remaining interested team. Giants were out. Mets swooped in to grab him for like 15% off to just grab a big bat, only to bail themselves. Only thing left is to restructure with the Mets drastically, or circle-back to the Twins, Cubs, Philles, Padres, Red Sox or even Astros, with the years cut in half and the AAV the same or reduced by 20%. Their leverage is gone, after botching not one, but two physicals/med. checks.
put it in the books
But now the deal is to give the same contract as the Mets and not have any concern about his leg that two teams have concerns about. I don’t see it happening. It could of course and maybe less stipulations is all the competing team needs to do but I still think this gets done with the Mets. And I’m a Met fan and I’d rather they not sign him. He’s a good player but he’s always had durability issues and those aren’t suddenly going to go away. And while he’s a good player he’s not a great player even though he’ll be paid like one.
CleaverGreene
4-5 teams? after two teams tagged the ankle after the physical? I can see that only if they’re offering 7/245M. tops. To go over 35M AAV or more than 7 years without protection is crazy..
VonPurpleHayes
Watch. When this is over we will see all the teams that are interested. I’m not saying they were willing to outbid the Mets original offer, but still I see multiple teams offering 200+ for 5+ years.
Dogs
But Carlos & the Family love Minnesota
hoof hearted
Anyone else think “this is payback” for a cheater?
Buckner
Only you, hoof hearted. Only you.
jjd002
No. They weren’t the only team doing it. The new Cubs CF achieved more with their scheme than Correa ever did. He’s been just as good without the electronic sign stealing, unlike players like Bellinger and Yellich. The teams and players don’t care about it. The only people that care are the fans, especially the ones that think Houston was the only team doing it.
VonPurpleHayes
@jjd002 Bellinger and Yellich suffered major, career-changing injuries that impacted their performance, and your take is to somehow link them into a defense for the Astros cheating, because those guys hit better a few years ago? That’s such a bonkers take even if I believed every team cheated equally.
jjd002
Not a crazy take at all. Plenty of rumors about both the Brewers and Dodgers doing the same thing Houston did and the numbers speak for themselves. Both players had the same advantage the Astros had. However, unlike the Astros stars they couldn’t hit without electronic sign stealing. Bellinger is the most glaring, obvious example of it. Just like the PED era, electronic sign stealing was used by a majority of the league.
VonPurpleHayes
There are so many logical explanations for why the two players you mentioned struggled. The injuries being the main one. But sure, let’s blame cheating. If that’s the case, and sign stealing increased their performance so much, by yourvlogic, doesn’t this taint the Astros even more? Since it has career changing impact.
tstats
Bellinger was a juiced ball product. While there are some allegations for them cheating in his MVP year, they have been brushed by others to say that what they did was in the rules. Up to you to decide of course
avenger65
Every team cheats in some way. At Wrigley Field in the 1970s or 80, the cubs had someone by the TV cameraman in cf. He could read the catcher’s signals through the camera and relay them to the dugout. Base runners on 2b would torn their head to the right if the pitch was going to be inside to a rh hitter, or to the left if it was coming outside.
Curveball1984
Belli was not a juiced ball product. Belli was another “launch angle revolution” victim, among many. Guys who walked in, upper cutting the ball for lift, something even A-Rod was calling out as ‘bad mechanics’ and that there would be drastic ‘regressions’. Smoltz said the same from the pitching side. Bellinger got his MVP, then imploded as pitchers, naturally, adjusted to his swing and exploited the holes in it. Injuries made it even worse. And yet he still got what, $17Mil from the Cubs on a flyer? Crazy. Still paying for that one magical year and an elite glove.
number1dodger
I’m not sure what he’s actually looking for.
More money or a team that has a better chance at getting to the playoffs.
He’s eventually going to be without a job next season. I would bet he’s going back to the twins for a smaller contract.
Doug Jones
doug. hopefully in Japan or the Mexican leagues!!!!!!
Braveslifer
Jon Heyman is on Boras’ PR team
CaseyAbell
One other thing. How do you take umbrage with a leg? Do you say: “Tsk, tsk, you’ve been a naughty leg”?
JayRyder
Correa come crawling back to the G’s ? Ha we don’t want Him !!! Unless they get there heads out of there you know whats and come down from that Ridiculous contract ask. Which they Won’t.
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
When I grow up, I want to have no journalistic integrity, just like my hero Jon Heyman
Cardsfan21
The insult kinda loses its sting when you remember that you chose to come to his article and make a comment while he has no clue who you are.
gfan
Calm down Jon.
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
Really? Jon Heyman wrote this article? My hero!
avenger65
I believe Anthony Franco wrote the article.
Manfred’s playing with the balls
I just hope it’s a contract with a 1 year opt out so we can do this again next year
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
I never understood why the Twins are so in love with Carlos Correa. Can’t they use that same amount of money for a similar, maybe even, better player? I mean, if they are willing to open their pocketbooks to a player as they seem
crise
Midwest teams do have to pay something of a premium to get stars to sign with them. Beyond the larger budgets there are usually better sponsorship opportunities in the larger metros. And rich young guys like being in fabulous places that are exciting and the middle of the action. Selling good schools in KC or the city lakes Minneapolis or, um, the great chili in Cincinnati can be a challenge when the dollars match up with LA or NYC or where ever.
cbraves
IF there is a third team, most likely the Twins but could also be another team that is on the verge of contending. A team that is hoping for a star SS at a somewhat discounted rate. Possibly the Diamondback. I saw before that they had interest in Xander Bogaerts so I think they are a real possibility.
24ac
Boston?
imgman09
Lol SS doesn’t stand for Short Stop anymore!
The Fiend
Yankees 1 year 41 million
Curveball1984
I don’t think that’s all that crazy. Makes alot of sense for the Yanks.
Samuel
So much for Cohen is in a corner because he said something publicly about Correa being on the Mets.
citizen
Correa should join a leg up program.
this story is just limping along like a twisted ankle in the wind.
VonPurpleHayes
The Twins want to bring him back.
Snellzilla #7
Lmao! This saga has gotten absolutely ridiculous
Samuel
The WWII generation spoke about Betty Grable’s legs.
This generation talks about one of Carlos Correa’s.
So how low the country has fallen.
whyhayzee
My dad never mentioned Betty Grable. But he did sometimes ask how old short plank (Lonborg) was doing. It’s a different world now. Sigh.
Cardsfan21
Of all the possible knocks on “the younger generations” this one’s kinda weak don’t ya think?
15Step
“Every generation thinks it’s the last, thinks it’s the end of the world” -Jeff Tweedy
Simm
The padres still need a shortstop to dh.
Jiggs
Whatever, don’t care if he gets signed or not. Needs a honest Agent.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
3/105 with a year four Correa opt in for 7/165 and if Correa declines his opt in the signing team can keep him at 7/210.
So a guaranteed 10/270 and potential 10/315.
sjwil1
huh? say again
rct
He’s saying it’s a 3 year, $105 million contract. After the third year, Correa has a choice:
-opt in for seven more years at $165 million, bringing the total contract to 10 years, $270 million
-opt out, which triggers a club option
The club option is:
-let him walk, leaving the contract at three years, $105 million
-opt in to seven more years at $210 million, bringing the total contract to 10 years, $315 million
Samuel
rct;
LOL
What’s the point of this?
The issue a team has is that later in the contract he might be playing on a bad leg while the team is paying as if he’s on a good leg. So the team wants some assurance that if his production goes down due to a preexisting condition they’re not held to full pay. (No different than sports TV contracts that allow the networks a discount if ratings fall.)
What you guys are talking about is saying Correa can opt out to play for another team if he feels he can get more from them.
How is this addressing the teams concern over his preexisting condition?
rct
@Samuel: You are misreading my post. I was only explaining OP’s complicated contract suggestion. Nowhere did I endorse it. Please re-read and direct your criticism elsewhere.
10centBeerNight
Heyman. Boros guy. Maybe it has legs but I’d be cautious
acell10
no pun intended but totally intended?
CarverAndrews
Free agency has always been a bit of a game show, but this one seems to be arcing into a Monty Python sketch…
…”it’s just a flesh wound”.
Simm
I’m sure boras is talking to another team now. Why not…when you hear the deal would be drastically different then why wouldn’t he see what else he can drum up.
Feel like the giants bridge has been burnt. So twins make some sense.
Snellzilla #7
Farhan burned that bridge
YankeesBleacherCreature
Sounded more like Boras did. Farhan was never given the time to restructure that deal. Boras is also a chessmaster always a few steps ahead. It’s business. Giants and Boras will wheel-and-deal again in the near future.
Snellzilla #7
Boras gave a deadline and the Giants ghosted him. Giants had over a week. They certainly mishandled the Correa situation embarrassingly. They agreed to terms with another Boras client the very next day, but he’s still not signed yet either
YankeesBleacherCreature
It’s hard for me to imagine that Zaidi and his team ceased communication with Boras when it concerns a nine-figured contract. I’m pretty sure they asked for a time extension and Boras didn’t want to budge with Steve Cohen’s team blowing him up right after the press conference was postponed. If the Giants want to exercise greater scrutiny than others over medicals/physicals, that’s not a fault. Boras and Cohen are great storytellers so I wouldn’t necessarily believe everything I read. I don’t see what Zaidi could’ve done differently aside from announcing the deal after it’s signed rather than being in agreement. It could’ve been the Giants and Correa are in prelimary discussions but in the end couldn’t come to terms. That would’ve been much less noisier. This falls on all front office parties, Boras, and the media. Nobody cares bc it generates interest and clicks.
Snellzilla #7
Announcing the press conference before actually sealing the deal, especially considering the timing, time spent and trouble gone to, by various people. Highly unprofessional at this level.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Agreed that it’s premature but that’s the way it works these days. We’ve seen deals announced before finalization with every major free agent signing so far. It’s not exclusive to any one team.
Snellzilla #7
When is the Conforto press conference? Or the Correa press conference in NY? Or when did the Yankees announce the Judge press conference? None declared before finalizing a contract. No families in town for a press conference, before finalizing the contract anywhere else. Not one example of it. Because that’s professionalism
YankeesBleacherCreature
Judge’s contract was announced on Dec. 7, finalized on Dec. 20, and he spoke to reporters the next day. deGrom’s deal was announced on Dec. 2 and official the next day. Plenty of other examples if you dig a little.
64' Yanks
Carlos Correa has been nominated for Speaker of the House of Rep!
Curveball1984
That’s where all of the other scoundrels & cheats go. Makes sense. Correa bangs a trash can to call to order?
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Make Bauer the Speaker. At least he would “come down hard” on corruption and would “fight” it.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
He would be an even better Whip. He’d take the position quite literally. That would give a new meaning to “Domestic Violence.”
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
False Boras Rumors – he would be lucky to get over 250 million at this point.
iH8PaperStraws
Boras needs to get a new report if he wants to continue to try and out pressure on teams via the new interest reports. It’s so worn down that anytime you see Heyman’s name attached to the article any belief in the rumor goes right out the window. It’s like old sales people thinking taking you out to lunch and throwing you some ball tickets here or there are what are what get the contracts signed.
YankeesBleacherCreature
My leftfield guess is that insurer of his contract is taking their sweet time doing their own due diligence. It would also be funny if he went back to sign with the Giants.
Snellzilla #7
I don’t think it’ll be the Giants. I think they embarrassed him in front of his family too badly. Just my opinion
Dogs
Ah, Yes!
The Great Boras Mystery Team has been announced,finally after 2 weeks of trying not to lose anything from the original contract..
Good Luck getting past a third Physical.
Mattmang23
Cmon, Chaim. 10 years 300 with ability for club to terminate contract for certain number of days spent on the IL for the leg issue.
Curveball1984
The union would NEVER allow such a clause.
roiste
Sure they would. They accepted an almost identical one for JD Martinez’s foot prior to the 2018 season.
Whether Correa would accept it is another story … if the Twins are still down for 10/$285M he won’t
Yankee Clipper
Big difference here though: not to be petty, but with JD, his agreement was half the length and his injury exclusion limited to the last two years (if I recall correctly). I believe you are correct in stating the union/Boras/Correa *would* accept *those terms* if Correa signed for only five years and the last two were the injury-exclusion years.
It’s the same as Luis Castillo, who has an injury exclusion of TJS in his contract, but it’s only during the last year of his contract.
In summation, while there is a precedent and it would be acceptable under those aforementioned circumstances, I agree with Curveball that it would never occur with the 10-year contract posited in the OP. I also believe this is the very holdup with the Mets (or any other team) signing Correa right now.
dpsmith22
Leak from the Borass.Corp to try.to.push Cohen to sign. Correa is over rated cheater besides the injuries
Poster formerly known as . . .
“O, what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!”
– Sir Walter Scott
Bart Harley Jarvis
“ Out here in the perimeter there are no stars. Out here we is stoned Immaculate.”
— Jim Morrisson
Poster formerly known as . . .
There’s only one “s” in Morrison — as in “snake,” e.g.: “The snake was pale gold, glazed and shrunken.”
Bart Harley Jarvis
Oops! Noted.
CaseyAbell
I took umbrage with my dog’s leg once. Then my dog raised his leg and took umbrage with me.
Curveball1984
Been hangin’ with Ueck I see.
WongieBaseball
The Savana Bananas are in the mix
foppert
Boras desperately seeking leverage.
Brad Scott
The Twins seem the most likely, although the Giants’ Zaidi has said he wouldn’t rule out Correa with a restructured contract. (Mr. Zaidi, what are you thinking? You’re obsessed with signing Rodon and you whiff on him. You’re obsessed with signing Judge and you whiff on him, You switch to being obsessed with signing Correa and ignore the other three top free agent shortstops. You show no interest in numerous less expensive free agents who could help fill some of the Giants’ needs. You treat Kapler like a puppet, not a manager. Is it possible you’re not quite the genius some think you are?)
foppert
They were never obsessed with signing Rodon.
They weren’t obsessed with signing Judge. They were hopefully engaged. They obviously weren’t obsessed with signing Correa.
They were reported to show interest in Swanson and Turner.
They were also reported to have shown interest in Nimmo, Heaney, Bellinger and Jansen.
Is it possible you haven’t been following ?
Brad Scott
@foppert: Obviously it’s you – not I – who hasn’t been following. (A Zaidi fan, perhaps?) “Reported to show interest?” That doesn’t actually say anything, as anyone can be “reported” to be doing anything. (And is especially common in baseball.) Don’t fault others for your failings, gullibility, and naiveté.
foppert
Ha ha. Unfortunately, as a fan, “reports” are all I’ve got to go on. I was assuming it would be the same for you. Apparently not. You obviously have an inside line. My apologies.
Brad Scott
@foppert: And you believe everything you hear or read as though it must be true? Here’s a truth: apology accepted.
foppert
Not everything. Probably most. I figure it’s better than stuff up.
foppert
…making stuff up.
Snellzilla #7
Plus disrespecting the greatest SS in franchise history
ActionDan
Probably Detroit.. that used to be Scott Boras’ go to team in situations like this. Mike Illich couldn’t spend on the Red Wings anymore so he shifted to the Tigers. Before Mike Illich founded Little Caesars he played for the Tigers in the minors so he had a love for baseball and wanted to bring a winner to Detroit. Now that he’s passed his son Chris hasn’t spent like a drunken sailor and probably never will. But the Tigers can certainly afford him. After next year the payroll will be completely clear if Baez opts out but the only way he will is if he plays better than last.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I see your point, but there’s one big problem with this theoretical landing spot:
Detroit was the first team to go hard after Correa last off season. They offered him 10 years/$275M and he turned them down and reportedly it wasn’t just the “underwhelming” offer, but also because Detroit is in the midst of a rebuild that may or may not work out and will take too long for Correa’s liking. That’s still true this off season.
As arrogant and overconfident as Correa’s expectations and goals are for his dream contract, I do think that he actually does have preferences about where he does or does not want to play and I feel like he’d rather get fewer years and dollars and continuously roll the dice on himself in quite a few locations instead of taking virtually any deal in Detroit.
I honestly think Detroit could offer him 10 years/$400M and he might turn them down- probably not, of course- the money is the same wherever in a sense- but I really do think Correa would rather take less total money over fewer years on teams he feels could realistically be competitive or relevant and also perhaps where he’d tolerate living.
Detroit ain’t it for him no matter the years or dollars, I would guess.
vtadave
Dodgers going to go full villain mode.
Keep Bauer
Sign Chapman to a 2-year deal
Sign Correa to a 3 year deal with 2 opt outs
Curveball1984
Would be cool if the Dodgers turned full heel, but they don’t have the baseballs.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Cronenworth moves to 1st, and Correa to second. May as well bring another SS on AJ!
WhiteRat64
The Pirates should have no qualms about signing Correa. A gimpy Correa would be an instant Pirate legend.
Cleon Jones
The big surprise tomorrow morning will be reports Correa signs with Brewers, 10 yrs 350….who saw that one coming?
Redwolves3
Hopefully Boras doesn’t sucker Zaidi into reopening negotiations for Correa. If Boras does, Zaidi’s maximum offer for Correa should be no more than 5 years, $175M, opt outs after years 2 and 3, and Correa must agree to play 3B until Crawford’s contract has expired.
Snellzilla #7
Correa should have been playing 3rd for a year to begin with. Crawford is the best SS in franchise history. I frown on the disrespect shown him this off-season
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Sounds like more of Boras and his non existent mystery team to drive free agent prices even higher. If I was a owner I wouldn’t sign any of his clients.
Bobby Mongan
The Orioles sweep in and sign Correa on a 2 year deal. Correa can opt out after one year.
He will probably do so, and the Orioles are loaded with infielders in their system so they won’t get too upset with it.
Mets Fan 62
He better sign with the Mets because if this falls through, I doubt any future, SANE team management is going to go more than 5 or 6 years considering two teams already pulled out due to the medical issue.
jvent
Please go to whatever other team there is other than the Mets, would like to see Baty/Escobar combo at 3b and sign Voit for DH
Smacky
Alex Anthopoulos and the Braves about to sign him to a 40 year $80m deal.
Jake1972
It would be funny if it is the Cubs and him playing Third Base!
Snellzilla #7
Giants should have had him playing 3rd for a year
ASapsFables
This ‘senile’ fan hoping his White Sox are the ‘mystery team’ for a change. The same front office pushed for Manny Machado during their recent rebuild when Yoan Moncada was slated to be their next core third baseman. Try it again with Carlos Correa at SS and slide Tim Anderson to 2B!
In a few years consider a Correa shift to 2B or 3B with ‘TA7’ and ‘Yoyo’ likely in the rear view mirror and Colin Montgomery ready to assume the starting shortstop role. I may be 67 but I can still dream like teeny bopper, only a whole lot drier now! lol
Samuel
AaronSapoznik;
Your team (or one of them) is out of money, and loaded down with enough bad contracts already. They’re trying to get rid of some.
Based on their track record with the operating owner and his tenured FO, you may have something there.
placido my polanco
Mystery team has been confirmed as Tokyo Yakult Swallows
Old York
I’d like to see him with Yomiuri Giants.
Juggy
He’s going to the Yankees for a 40 ounce of old E and a pack of Twizzlers
urnuts
Mets sign him for 315 million and trade him to the Padres for Bogaerts
Augusto Barojas
I don’t get why there would be a holdup. In 8 seasons he has estimated $55M in career earnings. He has an astounding amount of money already, if he never earned another dime. So what if some of the money out of the $315M isn’t guaranteed if there is an injury to his right leg. I mean I’m sure SOME money is guaranteed. How much does the dude need? I mean the Mets want him and would have given him $315 guaranteed if he was healthy. He has a leg issue, so they want some insurance. That’s quite reasonable, and fair. How complicated is that? Boras is just a greedy psycho. Sign the deal with the clause that the Mets want. If it falls through I hope he gets nowhere near $300M from anybody. How hard is it not to be a greedy (expletive), jeez. Additional money should be all but meaningless to anybody who has already earned 50 million unless they are psychotic. Boras is a bleeping lowlife.
Samuel
Augusto Barojas;
How much do any of these players need?
This is all about raising ALL players salaries. A guy is 1/2 the player Correa is – he should get $157.5m.
The boogeyman is the owner(s). He/They are taking that money that the payer deserves and putting it into their pocket.
You can dress it up and play semantics…..but that’s how these things work.
Moneyballer
This goes one of two ways….
1) New team swoops in to nap Correa. Or (more likely)
2) New team is being used as leverage to get the Mets to agree to a risky contract with no opt outs or insurance on injury.
Samuel
Moneyballer;
Scott Boras is a powerful man with connections to some of the best lawyers.
Steven Cohen is at least 10 times more powerful than Scott Boras and he has connections to attorney’s that can run circles around Boras’ attorney’s.
In this case the only leverage for Scott Boras is to take a lower guaranteed contract from another team in turn for not putting in discounts if Correa’s preexisting condition causes deterioration in his play during the life of the contract.
Mr. Boras has finally found an MLB owner that will stand up to him – he always gets “heads I win, tales you lose” deals for his players…i.e. the opt-out clauses. As much as the other owners dislike Mr. Cohen, they need him to stop these one-sided player contracts where teams take all the risks, and if something goes wrong they have to pay.
Possible landmark precedent here.
slimray
sam,you are right on this one. i totally agree.
dasit
heyman once again playing lester (not jon) to boras’ willie tyler
DarrenDreifortsContract
He’s literally losing millions by the day because Boras is greedy and wants a team to give him the original contract the Giants offered him or close to it. At this point he needs to take any deal close to 200 million. because I can’t see a team giving him 8-10 years at 300 million.
Pads Fans
This probably has nothing to do with this, but AJ Preller and Boras were meeting at Mastros in Newport when my wife and I were there for dinner tonight.
If you go, start out with the roasted bone marrow then have the bone in ribeye and the lobster mashed potatoes. You can spend more on the Wagyu or A5 Kobe, but that bone in ribeye is absolutely amazing. If seafood is your preference, the branzino is fantastic.
My wife always gets the filet with truffle butter wild mushrooms and lobster mac n cheese and asparagus.
Can you tell I am still salivating over the meal?
Anyway, we got there for our 5:30 reservation and were seated at the table next to them.. Boras and Preller left when the live music started about 6:30.
JoeBrady
If you go, start out with the roasted bone marrow then have the bone in ribeye and the lobster mashed potatoes.
==========================
Laughing with you, not at you.
It’s early morning, and I am staring at a half-cup of oatmeal and coffee with half de-caf, and I have to read posts like this?
Seriously though, what’s the difference between bone-in and regular rib eye?
Deleted Userr
He’s lying! He makes up these crazy stories all the time. Remember this one?
“Met a guy that said he was Dan Lozano on my American flight from LA to Miami this morning. Can’t confirm it was him because I have no idea what he looks like. He said the Padres had made the highest offer by $40 million so far and also the longest at 9 years. Also the only bid to be over $30 million AAV. According to him they have let teams know that they need their final offers today so Manny and Yaynee(?) can make a decision.
Take it with a grain of salt. We were in 1st Class, so he may have been Lozano or some business owner talking out of his behind.”
mlbtraderumors.com/2019/02/padres-reportedly-offer…
Deleted Userr
I gotta give it to the guy tho he has one hell of an imagination.
jimthegoat
So you’re saying it does have something to do with this, if it actually happened.
rhswanzey
The Dodgers could really use him. They need Taylor in the outfield. Would they consider blowing way past the luxury tax threshold after the Bauer reinstatement?
padam
It’s tough being a Mets fan. For some time we’d wish they signed FAs but the Wilpons treaded lightly during the Bernie days. Fast forward and now, at least in this case I am, hoping they don’t move forward with Correa. He’s a good player, however if this injury has been brought up as a major concern for two teams now, then I’d say pass. No need to drop those dollars on him when Machado will most likely opt out next year. Or just run with Baty at 3B. Wouldn’t mind seeing some homegrown talent hit the field. Either way, the concern vs contract ratio isn’t looking good and would be a hard pass in my book. Let someone else worry about the back half of the contract. Too many stars are going to be available over the next couple of years.
Snellzilla #7
As a Giants fan, I don’t understand Mets fans whining
padam
@fire – honestly, I don’t either.
Canosucks
@padam As a long time Mets fan I totally agree!
Jdt8312
2 words…Arson friggin’ Judge….now what day are the Mets announcing Correa?
Snellzilla #7
Just in, he’s agreed to a deal with the Nippon Ham Fighters
Jdt8312
Good…I’m hungry.
Lyman Bostock
Get back to me when something actually happens. I’m not into the soap opera ish
crazybaseballgal
Boras the weasel leaked it to help with Mets negotiations
Deleted Userr
Bro no one believes you ran into Preller and Boras at a restaurant try another account.
Canosucks
sure he did; he bused their table!
Ps I am a former server.
we_dont_talk_about_that
It may just me, but I kind of want to know what these teams are seeing in his examinations. I know there is HIPAA and other legal stuff involved, but just wanted to know what the hold up is. One would think it would have to be major if it holding u this kind of money.
Canosucks
@we_dont_talk_about_that
Just google that type of repair in general, no personal medicals, and long term diagnosis; easy to understand trepidation.
Cleon Jones
Could this finally end the”Boras is mad genius” take ? This debacle us squarely on him, and with each passing day, doubt grows abt his clients health, and dollars peel away from whatever contract he signs. The fatal mistake was blowing off SF so quickly. Now he looks the part of the fool. Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy.
slimray
there is no other team stupid enough to offer correa 10 plus years.we all know its boris trying to scare and bully the mets into a bad deal.i like reading the story it gives me somthing to do on these cold winter days.but lets face it, correa is not a great player.and no other team is dumb enough to offer him what the mets have.even cashman with the yanks have more sense than that.lol.
kodion
At this stage, this is a s much about Correa’s leg as it is about Boras trying to maintain his position as the top agent in the sport.
Of course, it could also be about trying to find a team capable of hacking the Astros’ proprietary algorithm associated with the signalling device implanted in that leg …so Carlos can achieve his FULL potential!
BCleveland3381
Sounds like Boras trying to squeeze a little more from Cohen and the Mets. He doesn’t want to go through this process again and risk another issue with medicals.
Max Powers
Calling BS
LotusNotes
Only team that makes sense is the Twins. They are already aware of his leg issue and have already made an offer. Why would anyone guarantee $300 million without some assurances?
Joe Sweetnich
I’m guessing the only other in the negotiation is the Boras Corporation.
Poster formerly known as . . .
“Forget it, Jake. It’s Heyman.”
Goose
Ah yes the ‘Scott Boras Mystery Team Tactic’. This sounds like another Twins like deal is coming. This tells me Correa will be lucky to get 5 or 6 guaranteed, never mind these mega 8+ year contracts.
mookiesboy
it’s just Boras trying to put pressure on the Mets in the negotiations
Big whiffa
100 dudes said that before u made the comment. U should read through them before posting
acmeants
2 years $32,000 guaranteed from the Braves. He still needs to bet on himself. No way he gets a long term deal at this point.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Do you mean $16M per year for two years, or $64M at $32M per year?
acmeants
$16 mil per year
JoeBrady
I mentioned this before, but imho, an attractive offer might be something along the line of a 3-year contract for $105M, with a player option triggered with say ~ 435 starts over the previous three years. And accepting the first option would trigger an identical second option with the same terms.
If he is completely injured, he still makes his $105M. If he is at least semi-healthy, he makes $210M, and if he is completely healthy, he still gets his $315M.
RegularEd 2
Baltimore Orioles Mike Elias and a 1yr, $16M “prove it” deal has entered the chat.
madmc44
The RSox now need protection for Devers and a SS. They still have Boggey’s Money–How about a two -yr $100 M with a Mutual 2 Yr Extension for another $100M.. .
Correa’ is used to Opt-outs–he’s a risk taker, He and Dever’s would make a decent Lside of the Infield.
With Story @ 2B Turner at First. Trade Casas for more pitching. Verdugo in RF–Kiki in CF and the Japanese L F signee Yoshida. McGuire and Wong behind the plate. along with an improved Pen. Correa could be the missing SS piece. Go for it John Henry.
Sign Wacha to a 3 yr reasonable deal
Steinbrenner2728
I dont like FireFarhan, Samuel, and 27champyankees AKA 27ringsb*tches AKA TonyGwynnSD19.
Say Hey Now Kid
My question is did the Twins know about this when they offered 10/$285? If so Correa should circle back to that
Also as a Mets fan I hope this falls through and they use the money to get Ohtani next year
twins33
My guess is no, the Twins didn’t know. The physical done for a potential 3 year deal (though we knew he’d opt out) is a lot less extensive than for a 10 year deal. Insurance is going to look harder at it too.
The word reported was that when the Boras/Correa circled back to the Twins and Mets, the Twins wouldn’t change their offer until they knew what the Giants saw. Then Boras/Correa went to the Mets who gave a bigger offer and are now also worried about his leg. The Twins offer as-is probably is not still on the table. They want to know what’s wrong with his leg first.
scottn59c
The article (and all of the comments here) seem to be discounting the Giants as the mystery team. Zaidi told the press earlier this week that he had re-enquired about Correa with Boras, but was told (at that time) that their focus was on the Mets.
The degree of the Giants’ interest is unclear, but reading between the lines, I wonder if that mild inquiry is now getting used as leverage by Boras to try to strongarm a deal with NY.
mattwild1
Agreed. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Giants circle back and land him (again)
LosPobres1904
Come to SD!
jimthegoat
If they really want the Dodgers to hate them then why not?
LosPobres1904
They will be OUTRAGED!!!
ChuckyNJ
LOLmets … LOLmets … LOLmets …
Chemo850
It’s either the Twins or the Marlins
LosPobres1904
Come on Rangers!!!
AL34
Maybe the Red Sox ? Although Bloom would have a lot of questions to answer as to why he signed Correa and had the money for him and not Bogaerts?
butch779988
I think the reason is Bogaerts would never accept a short contract with high AAV, where Correa just might with all the uncertainty, and is tight with Cora…
jimthegoat
Surprised he hasn’t played the “collusion” card yet.
Poster formerly known as . . .
The mystery team is the New York Heymans.
JackStrawb
I wonder if the Mets have offered 3/$135m, and variations thereof including various vesting option versions… Unless you figured the other party would take offense to the point of walking away, why wouldn’t you? No one thought Correa would take a series of player opts on $35m, after all.