Xander Bogaerts’ first visit to free agency resulted in an 11-year, $280MM deal with the Padres that greatly exceeded projections, even for a player who was expected to land one of the offseason’s biggest contracts. Agent Scott Boras discussed some of the twists and turns of Bogaerts’ free agent trip with USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, and Boras identified that Bogaerts was San Diego’s second choice, once Trea Turner rejected a reported $342MM offer from the Padres.
Once Turner turned down the Padres’ offer to sign with the Phillies, “we kind of knew the Padres’ guy was Bogaerts,” Boras said. “They wanted that personality, that leadership in that locker room.” Left unspoken by Boras was the fact that the Padres were clearly itching to land a big target of some kind, even to the point of considering a $400MM bid for Aaron Judge. With Judge and Turner off the board, the Padres may have been more willing to go above and beyond to sign Bogaerts, and ensure that their offseason endeavors would include at least one superstar name.
The Red Sox reportedly made a last-ditch effort to sign Bogaerts in the hours preceding his deal with San Diego, though Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom later downplayed the chances that a reunion between Bogaerts and the Red Sox was becoming a possibility. There were mixed signals from Boston’s ownership and front office all season long about the franchise’s willingness to retain Bogaerts, and from Boras’ perspective, the Red Sox weren’t ever a major bidder.
“It was just really clear to us there was a separation where Boston was going to go for Bogaerts, compared to where the market was,” Boras said. “They probably made a decision they were going to sign [Rafael] Devers, and were going to pay only one of them. So we knew at the forefront that Bogey would be somewhere besides Boston.”
Sure enough, the Red Sox indeed ended up extending Devers, while Bogaerts landed in San Diego. As for other teams in the hunt, such teams as the Phillies, Diamondbacks, Orioles, Mariners, Dodgers, and Giants were all linked to Bogaerts at various points in the offseason, even if some of these pursuits were perhaps more cursory than others. Boras implied that three teams in particular (beyond the Padres) separated themselves from the pack, saying that “Minnesota, the Cubs, the Blue Jays, they were really after” Bogaerts’ services.
The Cubs and Twins were already known to be Bogaerts’ suitors, and as both clubs were monitoring the high-end shortstop market and eventually came away with two of the winter’s top options at the position — Chicago signed Dansby Swanson, while Minnesota (eventually) reunited with Carlos Correa. The Twins’ interest in Bogaerts was framed as a backup plan if Correa signed elsewhere, though Bogaerts ended up signing with the Padres before Correa agreed to his initial deal with the Giants. As for the Cubs, MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand wrote that the team gave some consideration to the idea of signing both Bogaerts and Swanson, with Bogaerts playing third base in that blockbuster scenario.
It makes for some fascinating “what-if” material, since neither the Twins or the Cubs were previously considered top candidates to sign Bogaerts. However, the Blue Jays’ involvement is perhaps the most interesting, as Toronto hadn’t previously been linked to Bogaerts or any of the top shortstops whatsoever. While the aggressive Jays are known to be a team that routinely checks in on most free agents as a matter of due diligence, Toronto’s focus was known to be on the club’s greater needs in the outfield and in the rotation. Such names as Justin Verlander, Brandon Nimmo, and Kodai Senga were among the many players linked to the Blue Jays, and Toronto has thus far signed Chris Bassitt, Kevin Kiermaier, and Brandon Belt, while Daulton Varsho and Erik Swanson were respectively acquired in major trades with the Diamondbacks and Mariners that saw Gabriel Moreno, Lourdes Gurriel Jr., and Teoscar Hernandez change uniforms.
These moves have sent the Jays’ payroll to franchise-record heights, and set the team up to exceed the luxury tax threshold for the first time. So in that sense, making a splash to sign Bogaerts wouldn’t have been out of line with the Blue Jays’ spending habits, even if obviously landing Bogaerts would have entirely changed the scope of Toronto’s offseason.
First and foremost, the Blue Jays already have a star shortstop in Bo Bichette, who is only entering his age-25 season and already amassed two top-12 finishes in AL MVP voting, an All-Star nod, and 9.6 fWAR in 2021-22. (For comparison, Bogaerts had 10.4 fWAR in 2021-22.) Bichette’s success at the plate, however, was tempered by a rather drastic defensive decline in 2022, as public metrics placed Bichette among the league’s worst defensive players. Ironically, Bogaerts’ glovework had long been a source of controversy, but he quelled some doubts over his viability as a shortstop by delivering the best defensive season of his career in 2022.
Had the Jays signed Bogaerts, they could’ve installed him at shortstop and moved Bichette to second base, and then used the current collection of second-base options (i.e. Santiago Espinal, Cavan Biggio, Whit Merrifield) either purely as depth options or as trade chips. Since Matt Chapman is a free agent after the 2023 season, the Blue Jays might’ve considered moving Bogaerts to third base at that point and returning Bichette to shortstop, if Chapman wasn’t retained. Or, if signing Bogaerts would’ve taken up much or all of Toronto’s payroll space, the Blue Jays might have been considered trading Bichette in order to address other needs. If the Jays hadn’t had the money to sign a Bassitt-level starter, for instance, Bichette could have been shopped to land a front-of-the-rotation arm.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
When did this site become Boras’ personal propaganda site? Two of these teams already got a shortstop. The Jays are the only relevant team from the 3.
Javia135
The Padres also already had a shortstop.
deweybelongsinthehall
Typical Boras’ spin on Boston only signing Devers – after the smoke has cleared.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – I’m no fan of Boras obviously, but he’s not doing anything wrong by waiting until the smoke settled before revealing inside information. What does he have to gain by lying at this point?
All of us, except for the Bloom suckups, knew the Sox wouldn’t be keeping both Devers and Xander after Bloom gave Story $140M.
All of us, except for the Bloom suckups, knew the Sox wouldn’t be keeping Xander after they offered him that insulting $90M offer.
Boras ain’t telling us anything we didn’t already know, except who the other teams were that were in on Xander.
Steve Nebraska
@DeGrom: I was going to say something similar. I actually don’t think this is as pro-Boras as a lot of the other things but Boras said, “They probably made a decision they were going to sign [Rafael] Devers, and were going to pay only one of them. So we knew at the forefront that Bogey would be somewhere besides Boston.”
Then Polishuk says, “Sure enough, the Red Sox indeed ended up extending Devers.”
Dude… Boras only said that weeks AFTER the Red Sox signed Devers. “Sure enough” what? Don’t act like Boras predicted something when he didn’t even mention it until weeks after it happened. There’s no “Sure enough” Boras was right. He waited until after something happened and then said he predicted it when he never publicly predicted anything. Hindsight is 20/20 and Boras seems to be able to convince some people his hindsight is foresight. I guess those people can’t tell time or read a calendar.
I predict the Germans will play a major role in WW2. “Sure enough” I was right. You see how smart I am? I told you I predicted it AFTER it happened so “Sure enough” I’m right!
Foresight only matters if you tell people BEFORE it happens. It’s very easy to tell people you predicted something well after it already happened. Especially easy for a guy that is somehow able to convince people Jackie Bradley Junior is in the same category as Willie Mays and Oliver Perez is in the same category as Randy Johnson and Sandy Koufax. Boras is a smart guy but don’t let him trick you into thinking he actually predicted something when he never said it until after it happened. That’s what makes Boras so smart. “Sure enough” he always convinces someone to believe his nonsense. Everyone would be right if they predicted things after they already happened.
BeansforJesus
@steve. I knew you’d say that. In fact, I was just saying you’d post that exact comment to someone 10 minutes after you posted it.
Ladies and gentlemen…I got him.
JoeBrady
Everyone would be right if they predicted things after they already happened.
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There were a lot of other people, myself included, that also thought it was going to one or the other, but not both. Assuming that they are planning on Mayer at SS and Yorke, at 2nd, then it was going to be either Bogaerts or Devers at 3rd. And Devers made more sense.
I would assume that Boras had already thought this through.
BobGibsonFan
Padres had 3 shortstops… Tatis, Kim and Machado was originally a shortstop.
Cronenworth played some SS.
Austin Nola was drafted as a SS.
6 of their regular position players have played SS.
Dodger Dog
Two!
rememberthecoop
The Cubs already had a SS too. Nico Hoerner rated as one of the top defensive shortstops in baseball last year. But he will just play second base now. Man, imagine having Bogey at 3rd, Dansby at short & Nico at 2nd? Ah, what if…
Hyatt Visa
Bore Ass!
Hyatt Visa
Boar Ass!
miltpappas
Next quote will be Boras saying “I know the Angels were going to offer Bogaerts 16 years and $825,000,000 but I wanted Xander to follow his heart”.
LosPobres1904
Next quote “Smile.Love.Laugh.” or “classy sassy a bit of smart assy”. He wrote that!
brewsingblue82
I mean, the article itself of which Boras actually spoke to, was through USA Today, so that hardly makes this site his propaganda site.
But also, it’s an article related to what the primary purpose of this site is. Regardless of your personal opinion on Boras, why wouldn’t they post relevant material?
Plus, Boras detractors seem to forget that he’s doing what his job calls for. And if the details of this article were made up to make himself look better, he wouldn’t have said Boston never really got involved. He still likely plans to do deals with Boston in the future, so putting out that detail
Among saying who WAS a serious player for Boegarts, wouldn’t have been necessary.
Yankee Clipper
Boras’ comments about the Mets may not sit well with Cohen. I’m not sure I’d want to risk aggravating the wealthiest, spendthrift owner in MLB if I were Boras. That’s a cash cow every offseason. But, hey, Boras is rich already so maybe he doesn’t care.
Correa is an odd hill to die on for Boras with the Mets though.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Give Boras the Bonds treatment. Blacklist him from the MLB and refuse to sign any of his agents. I’d love to see that.
lasershow45
Will never happen.
cpdpoet
@lasershow Love the ID pic, am off today, with nothing to do, looks like I’ll start some chili in the crockpot, have a few beers and queue up some Sam Elliot, thnx for the inspiration…
Brew88
We’re enjoying Sam in our annual watching of The Big Lebowski tonight. Instead of a few beers it will be 9 concurrent white russians
cpdpoet
Brew, saw it in the theatre….on a goofy friend of mines pushy advice…..(clearly great advice)
Have since added the white russian to my enjoyment menu….
Was a bartender then, so for my road soda when I asked for a white russian got a ton of looks, until they saw the movie……
Looks like I have been inspired for my next day off….mahalo!
Brew88
cheers cpdpoet! here’s to stoner pacifists everywhere
johnrealtime
It is so strange how boras is demonized by so many baseball fans
Joe says...
John, if he would just do his thing and shut his mouth he wouldn’t be nearly as vilified.
smuzqwpdmx
Spreading hype and rumors is his job. An agent who doesn’t use the media to his advantage is doing his clients a severe disservice.
While there’s less point to him talking things up after the signing, making the case that one guy was really sought after does somewhat help encourage competition for the next client. For example, he’s trying to convince Jays fans to expect Rogers to keep spending even more. And besides, he’s got to keep his mouth in practice.
CarverAndrews
I noticed the same…it is unusual for Boras to go after the owners that are his cash cows.
Some of the Boras hate that others love to express is very amusing, and so profoundly unimaginative. The guy is an agent – he is doing his job. And frankly his job is far more useful than Manfred’s as he is simply doing his best to divert the resources that are there to the players, rather than sit in the owner’s pocketbooks.
I don’t love the guy – it is easy to hate on agents. We like to hold them responsible for holding our teams up when we want players and we like to blame him for manipulating the prices and terms. But he is very good at what he does, and he produces for his clients. More than I can say for most real estate agents, attorneys and so on.
Seriously – if we want to hate on something, it should be many of the ownership groups and Manfred. They are the folks that own the protected monopoly and steer events to their favor without compunction.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
How is MLB a monopoly? Players get to play for 30 teams and foreign leagues. This isn’t even an oligopoly. There are 30 teams to play for, and they in no way act like a cartel. If they collude and act as one (as they allegedly did, according to Barry Bonds), this is still a cartel, and not a monopoly. This is false information. investopedia.com/terms/m/monopoly.asp
CarverAndrews
economist.com/the-economist-explains/2021/04/01/wh…
theweek.com/articles/774406/how-mlb-gamed-way-into…
One could go on for days on this, but the antitrust exemption for baseball is about 100 years old.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
The article is loaded with misinformation. “Baseball’s monopolistic stranglehold, explained” refers to monopolistic competition, not a monopoly. This is a monopolistic market in that fans can choose from 30 teams. Also, the thing you may be referring to is a Monopsony in which there is only 1 “buyer” of services. That is still not true. This also says “effectively.” That is not the same. investopedia.com/terms/m/monopolisticmarket.asp
investopedia.com/terms/m/monopsony.asp
Players can play for 29 other teams and fans can play for 29 other teams. Nuances matter here. You have valid points, but not everything is entirely represented accurately.
CarverAndrews
Okay Sparky. Feeding time is over.
RobM
@YC, what did he say? I don’t see anything in the story about Boras saying anything about the Mets and Cohen.
For the most part, the two need each other. Cohen is gong to want access to Boras’ clients, and Boras will of course want Cohen engaged to drive up the price. Even if they don’t like each other (unknown), they will be forced to dance together. If Boras is pissed, he could simply use Cohen to drive up the price of his clients, while then directing his clients elsewhere.
RobM
@YC, you can ignore my other post. I see the Boras comments are in the USA Today story linked.
I will say I actually agree with Boras if the story is as he presents it. Cohen not only wanted to cut the contract in half, he then wanted all sorts of protections. I don’t blame them from walking away. Using the same doctor the Giants used, and this after the comments Cohen made on the preliminary agreement, does make it appear to me that Cohen was less than honest. I think the MLBPA should look into this entire transaction. Let’s put it this way. Normally the other owners side with each other, but I’m not sure Cohen is in good graces with them right now.
acoss13
Boras is flexing how he was able to take care of his clients, just propaganda to get other players to switch to him, and to get young future top draft players to choose his services. He’s just a symptom of how a capitalist society works. Whether you agree with it, doesn’t matter it’s business as usual at Boras Corporation. But yes I agree he shouldn’t be talking about Cohen, that’s a potentially continuous gold mine for Boras if he plays his cards right. Boras is flying high right now.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Still, there are ethical concerns with supposedly misrepresenting injuries. If he knew, this should get him banned for life. Players have been banned for less (black sox 9th guy and Pete Rose).
rememberthecoop
He knew about the injury but so did all the teams. It’s right in his medicals. It’s not like they were hiding it. There was simply a difference in predicting the future. Boras predicts it will never affect him, while some doctors think it could. But nobody knows for sure! It’s all speculative like Boras said.
kmk1986
I mean who would know more boras or an ankle specialist??
JoeBrady
If he knew, this should get him banned for life.
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1-He’s not a doctor, so there is no reason he should be making medical decisions.
2-The players are under no obligation to volunteer any medical information. If I go for a job interview, I answer the questions honestly, but I don’t voluntarily hand over negative information. Would you tell a prospective employer that you don’t get along with your coworkers, or that you fell for a phishing expedition, etc.?
The teams are responsible for doing their own due diligence.
lasershow45
No team will ever not sign a player based on who the agent is.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
There was a former GM discussing Anthony Rendon and how front offices approach free agency. He discussed Boras in depth and said they had a list of Boras clients that they would only sign if they really really needed to in the draft. Obviously, free agency is more certain, but they still would be wise to do that, and I think many teams do avoid Boras at all costs.
Yankee Clipper
Lasershow: I agree they won’t ever admit that, but the LAD have not signed a Boras client since 2012(Ryu). The *only exception* was a one-year contract given out this year, and it wasn’t top-tier money.
I can only guess one reason why LAD has shied away from *nearly all* Boras clients for a decade or more, and it’s not bad luck. IT’s especially improbable when one comes sides the few teams that actually pay for Boras clients that exist in the major markets. It’s too coincidental to be mere coincidence.
The owners are used to running business their way and making decisions they want to make (that’s not intended to be disparaging). When someone they don’t like tries to tell them what they need to do it’s often not popular. Add to that open public criticism and a personality like Cohen and I could see him sever ties with Boras clients, just under different auspices.
NoSaint
IIRC Anthopoulos had a policy of not signing Boros clients. Don’t know if he still does it with the Braves.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
@NoSaint We need more GMs with real character like him!
RobM
@YC, the Dodgers have tried to sign Boras clients. They came in second in the Cole sweepstakes.
Yankee Clipper
That is true, but no significant or relevant clients in over a decade is highly irregular, imho.
Dustyslambchops23
It was Beeston not AA
Horace Fury
The disconnect between LAD and SB could be that the LAD have resisted all sorts of long-term, big-money contracts with many different players (excluding Betts) during the Friedman admin, while that kind of player is Boras’s bread and butter.
LordD99
@Horace, yes, it’s likely a philosophical difference in how the want to structure contracts. No team or GM is going to freeze each other out because they need each other.
Yankee Clipper
That’s probably true, Horace. But again, imho you can’t separate how Boras operates from the man himself. And although it may be beneficial for them to avoid long-term, expensive deals it probably doesn’t help that they dislike him.
Also, Boras has had players sign short-term deals for high AAVs (Correa, for example) and from my perspective LA seems fine with those types of deals; yet they didn’t acquire any despite the financial resources (tied with the Yankees) to do so.
It’s just my opinion though, so it doesn’t mean I’m right.
Ma4170
@clip – agree w/ you in reference to what Boras is saying about the Mets regarding Correa. Most of us agree they and the Giants walking away from long-term deals going to nearly 40 YO was smart given the potential and perhaps likely degenerative condition he’s facing. Plus, it’s not like he’s been mr. durable throughout his career. I didn’t like the contract in the first place, and am happy they walked away. It’s the right move. Boras saying this now makes him look like a childish a$$ to be honest. But he doesn’t care – as long as someone signs his damaged goods.
rememberthecoop
Look, I take a different t tack on Boras Clip. I think he’s very good at his job, and let’s face it, this PR stuff (or “bs” is what it really is) is part of that job.
CarverAndrews
The “avoidance” of Boras usually comes down to teams that don’t want to pay for the elite players. Philosophical, more than anything. They don’t want to pay retail plus to fill holes.
If Boras has a bargain at the end of the winter, they won’t hesitate to talk. This doesn’t mean that he isn’t annoying…of course he is. But very good at his job.
PhiladelphiaCollins
If you’re going to play the game, boy you got to learn to play it right.
ohyeadam
It’s all about the Game and how you play it. It’s all about the Game and if you can take it
Ricetto
It’s all about control and if you can take it
ohyeadam
Hey yo
JoeBrady
If you’re going to play the game, boy you got to learn to play it right.
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There is a certain amount of truth to this. The problem with some GMs is that they get dragged further and further. DD, to his credit, never budged on JD. He made a fair offer, Boras had his writers posting articles about the number of teams interested. But DD held the cards and knew the market for a high-priced DH was very small.
And in the end, Boras folded. GMs have to put a number on a player and be willing to walk away.
This one belongs to the Reds
The small number of teams show how few could afford that contract.
rememberthecoop
“Afford” or want to pay it? I feel they could all “afford ” it, and as fans, we should demand that of our ownership. Perhaps not to the level that a guy like Cohen does, but they can spend more than they do. For example, every team got a 30 – or 40-million dollar payment this offseason. That was from the commissioner. I forgot why, but there’s a shortstop contract for 2023 right there.
JoeBrady
Sure, anyone can afford a $40M contract. It is the ability to build the rest of the team that separates the big markets from the small markets.
big boi
I don’t know if there’s a connection to make but I read that the Jays and bichette have a history of disagreeing money-wise. I wonder if he will stay there
Nothing
Honestly, I think he’s gone once he hits free agency. Bo’s a good player, a great bat for a SS, but he’s one of the worst defenders at short in the league. Not a player you commit a 10+ year deal to IMO, which is likely what he wants. Jays would be better off extending Vladdy.
All that being said, signing Bogaerts and then having Bo play second would have been a dream.
PhiladelphiaCollins
2Bo’s are BetterthanOne? @ CheeryVladdy
In Bichettes case the SS is way more of an offensive position than it ever was. That being said, his glove can’t be any worse this year? We’ll see anyway
I doubt they had any real thought of acquiring Xander but there is no precedent for what they are doing. They’re making history as an organization – boldly going where no blue jays team has gone before!
Yankee Clipper
First, Philadelphia Collins – awesome moniker. Second, I was surprised the Jays didn’t acquire a true SS through FA or trade and maximize trade value on Bichette because I don’t see them extending him. Perhaps they still will trade him though?
NoSaint
Now Bogaerts, and it was Seager before that wasn’t it? I would hope that Bo is renting and not owning a place in Toronto.
Dustyslambchops23
One of them could have played 2b, Chapman is also a free agent next year so 3b will be open.
I don’t think they extend Bo but I don’t think the jays will move him in the 2 years
NoSaint
Mentioning the acquisition of a high end SS is an interesting talking point. Mentioning the acquisition of multiple high-end SS’s over the years is a pattern which I don’t think can be ignored.
I don’t think they move him this year, but in 2024, I think it’s more likely. Teams will give up more player capital for 1 year of arb controlled Bo than the Jays get back on a QO.
Dustyslambchops23
Jays have Springer and asked him to move for a 1 year deal for KK and then traded their top prospect for another CF in the same offseason.
Im not saying he wouldn’t/won’t get moved, just saying I don’t think the Seager/bogey talks automatically mean they would have.
NoSaint
@Dustyslambchops23 – there was also Lindor when Cleveland made him available. I doubt very much they wanted him to play off SS.
That’s 3 top SS’s the Jays have been connected to in Bo’s 4 years.
When you hear hoof falls in Montana, think horses not zebras.
Dustyslambchops23
That just means they want to add good players and aren’t afraid to move players around the diamond. I’m sure they would love to make Bo a second baseman with his defensive issues.
NoSaint
@Dustyslambchops23 – I would love to see Bo at 2B and Espinal at SS. I don’t think that’ll happen though.
Dustyslambchops23
Espinal isn’t an every day player, if he was I’m sure there would be more talk about that switch. As it stands Espinal will probably be on the bench against RHP a good amount in favour of Whit and Biggio
NoSaint
@Dustyslambchops23 – Ya, it’s most likely Merrifield at 2B most of the time and Espinal as the utility guy.
kmk1986
Lol espinal is trash
Canuckleball
@kmk1986
He’s hardly trash. 2.2 WAR last season, including an OPS+ of 99 and a career OPS+ of 101. He’s the definition of a reliable average hitter who has consistently been a little above average defensively. He will neither help nor hurt with the bat, while providing steady glovework.
That’s not a star player or anything, but he makes for a great utility infielder and a respectable starter when nothing better is available. Many a team has won the World Series with an ‘Espinal’ in their starting 9.
Obvioulsy, the ideal situation is for him to be a utility player, but even when he has been a starter, he’s rarely the reason when they lose.
Whyme
Trash? He’s an excellent 2B defensively
sergefunction
Bo is young, maybe he could stash his duffel bag at a Toronto youth hostel and remain very light on his feet.
Perhaps he could sleep in the Jays’ clubhouse. They have showers, probably a cot, and maybe he can scavenge a hot plate and be ready to move at any moment.
Every-Sha-La-La-La
Boy, this should make Bogaerts feel really good.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Trader Jerry needs to swing a deal for Bo Bichette. What would it take ? George Kirby OR Logan Gilbert AND a couple higher -end prospects should do it, eh? Also Adkins needs to throw in Complete DVD Box Set of Trailer Park Boys.
Canuckleball
@Ignorant Son-of-a-b
George Kirby for Bo straight up could be interesting. Gilbert would probably need to have a little more added in,as suggested, but both reasonable ideas.
That would create an obvious hole in the Jays lineup. Probably couldn’t do something like this until next offseason.
I don’t get the impression that the Jays plan on filling the 5 slot in the rotation this year (maybe next year). Pretty sure at this point they plan on using Kikuchi and whoever else. Could be wrong though.
Rsox
How fortuitous for Boras that the Twins did not land Bogaerts and kept the option open for Correa to return.
Makes you wonder how that clubhouse is going to be knowing that the Twins were not Correa’s first or even second choice, but the team he had to settle on for a mere $200 million
lasershow45
Hahahaha. No. The players in that club house won’t care. Correa has already been there. The Giants and Mets offered more money, then backed away. The guys in the clubhouse will just be happy he’s back
Mikenmn
It’s all fascinating if an accurate recitation of what actually occurred. I’d expect much is reasonable accurate, with a little Boras spin, and some smaller part of it mostly Boras spinning( (especially when Boras starts discussing clubhouse leadership, something he’s used successfully in the Hosmer negotiations.)
But he did deliver a very large contract for Bogaerts, regardless.. This offseason tells us, again, that MLB has plenty of money to spend on talent, when it wants to. That’s the type of environment that a Boras thrives
Randy Red Sox
Only Chaim Bafoom failed to recognize the value of XB. Likely wanted him to sign a 1 yr extension
deGromTexasRanger
Bluejays suck haha
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
It also sucks that you don’t feel secure enough I. your own skin to use your old username.
Samuel
Jays join the Mets and Padres…..
After the long Jays rebuild, what players are left other than Jansen, Kirk, Guerrero Jr., Manoah…..Biggio on the bench?
Those 3 teams just keep throwing money at players in FA and taking on salary for so-so-prospects as a part of salary dump trades.
So far none have gotten to the WS.
It’s sort of funny – the Yankees did that for years since they were last in a WS in 2009. But the past 3 or so years they’re emphasizing defense up the middle, pitching, and bringing up home-grown players from their farm system…with the exception of Rodon this year.
Franchises such as the Astros and Braves have it right – develop your core, then keep adding to it with players from your farm system (along with a few strategic trades) if you want to be a sustainable contender…..that’ll knock down the door to get to the WS more than one time every rebuild.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Braves have been to the World Series twice in a decade? Am I missing something?
It’s literally only the Astros and Dodgers… I agree with your mentality but the facts aren’t all right there.
You also make it sound like signing free agents is wrong. It’s not if you don’t rely on it but build around the farm (as you mention).
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I honestly think the Sox made the better choice to sign Devers over Bogaerts, assuming we could only sign one.
Bogaerts got way overpaid at his age and shortstop is one of those injury prone positions, especially for a guy getting up there in age. Obviously they can play him at third but still… Padres might look good now but they have a mess ahead of them with the amount of big contracts they have and too many players for certain positions.
Devers will still be in relatively low 30’s when his contract ends plus he is destined to be the better hitter of the two moving forward. Although he may be a liability on defense, his bat alone at DH will be lethal for years to come. I mean, this is a guy who hit 103 mph fastball off Chapman in a lefty/lefty matchup.
The Padres way overpaid Bogaerts and I think they will pay for it. Once again Scott Boras and Bogaerts are the biggest winner here.
Dustyslambchops23
They should have traded him then, Sox were never in contention last year, if they knew they weren’t going to pay him that’s fine but it was a really odd decision to keep him in a nothing season
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Completely agree, he should have been traded but no one knows what goes in Bloom’s head
kmk1986
Agreed him and jd def should of been traded but once again Sox lose high end talent and get nothing in return
JoeBrady
Sox were never in contention last year
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They had the #3 AL record at the end of June
Dustyslambchops23
Sorry meant for the division
And by the trade deadline the picture was crystal clear
stpbaseball 76
I think Bogey replaces Manny when he opts out next year. if Jr comes back in form this year he’ll move back to SS next year. Padres are all in this year. after Manny and Soto leave in the next couple years, Bogey and Jr are the only real big contracts
Simm
The padres are going to do whatever it takes to resign manny and Soto. Many also believe the dodgers main competition to signing Ohtani is the padres.
People here just keep saying the padres can’t do this and can’t do that. Yet they keep doing it.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
They keep doing it but not when it comes to winning a World Series. Sign all you want, but if the Padres have nothing to show, what’s the point?
Bruin1012
PW I don’t blame the Red Sox for not matching that crazy San Diego offer. I do blame Bloom for the ridiculous offer he made before the 2022 season. Xander even said if they just offered him something like what Story got as an extension he would of stayed. Bloom misjudged the market for Bogey terribly that’s what I’m pissed about.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Absolutely but I’m not sure we know the whole story there
Bruin1012
What we do know is Bogey was given a ridiculous extension offer at the beginning of the season almost guaranteeing he would test free agency. Unlike Betts Bogey came out numerous times and said he wanted to play his entire career with Boston he was comfortable in Boston it was the only MLB org he had known since 16 years old. I believe Bogey would of signed with a fair offer after the 2021 season I blame Bloom 100% on losing Bogey.
all in the suit that you wear
I really doubt Bogaerts would have signed an extension before testing free agency. This is the best chance in his career to make money and Boras is his agent. Boras can usually find a sucker to overpay and he did.
VonPurpleHayes
The hate for Boras is always baffling to me. His job is to get billionaires give more money to millionaires, and he’s very good at that job. He may be obnoxious, but he’s harmless.
Dustyslambchops23
Agreed, never got the hate.
He’s a minor leaguer who flamed out and instead of becoming a real estate agent, got his law degree and started the sports agency that put power back in the players hands.
YankeesBleacherCreature
If I’m a player, a good one at that, I would have Boras represent me. I’ve yet to hear of any his past or present ever complain about him.
YankeesBleacherCreature
^clients
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Bourn, LaRoche, Swisher, Conforto, and many others come to mind. He has ruined a lot of players’ earning potential.
YankeesBleacherCreature
How so in Swisher’s case? Conforto still has time to make good on that choice to turndown the Mets’ offer.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
He signed rather late, and I recall him not getting quite as much as expected. He supposedly wanted close to 100 million and got 4/56. I recall quite a few QA guys backfiring on Boras that year. mlbtraderumors.com/2013/01/indians-to-sign-nick-sw…
Here is the top 50 list from that interesting free agent class. mlbtraderumors.com/2012/10/2013-top-50-free-agents…
YankeesBleacherCreature
The second link was a loose prediction by staff writer here. Even IF that was Swisher’s demand, Boras isn’t always going to get what he wants. He does most of the time.
PhiladelphiaCollins
That is so true and way to break it down VonPurple!
So what do u all think? Colorado vs Baltimore for the 2023 world series?
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Baltimore is remotely possible. Colorado, on the other hand, is out there. The Rockies outperformed their Pythagorean win loss by 3 last season and only won 68 games. Texas won the same amount, and while I would say it’s also unrealistic to say they will get far, they at least underperformed by 9 wins, meaning there is room for improvement. What moves did the Rockies make that would make you say they would get that far? Bryant will be healthy, but what else? To be clear, I am realistic that Texas isn’t a WS contender and probably a WC contender. I just don’t see the reasoning with Colorado. I don’t mean to cut down on the Rockies, as negativity is too common here. I’m just curious.
kmk1986
Just because u like him doesn’t mean other people do stop inflating the game of baseball with these enormous ridiculous contracts that we as fans have to keep paying
Dustyslambchops23
Ah so pirates and reds tickets got significantly cheaper now that their payrolls have plummeted?
The players are the talent and what you watch, some owners get that, many don’t. Contracts are only going up because baseball is making more money and players are getting a bigger share from the owners not from you.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
I’d like to be in on free stuff for my favorite team since the players are getting the money from owners and not me. Is there some fan club I’m missing out on?
Scott Kliesen
Hard to forget how he wanted to take baseball from me last year during the CBA negotiations.
He’s pretty much the face of all that’s wrong with MLB’s failed economic system.
YankeesBleacherCreature
How is the system broken if the league is generating record revenues while teams are profitable and players are receiving record contracts? There isnt a single team that is insolvent nor potentially selling at a loss.
JoeBrady
Some posters just post without thinking about it. My guess is that Scott saw someone else write that and thought it sounded cool. MLB and the players continue to print money.
NicoHoerndawg
If I were a GM I would require Boras to sign a complete non-disclosure agreement that doesn’t allow him to talk about any of his experience involving my team, it’s players, or even the free agents of interest. That’s just bad optics giving out more information than I’d be comfortable with the other GM’s knowing. It literally tips the cards each GM is holding and what they are trying to achieve. Kinda messes with with future potential trades when one GM has a better idea of what another is trying to achieve. Like does Boras ever show the others one of his cards in the middle of a poker game?
Dustyslambchops23
You act like Boras is the only one who does this.
Should Boras ask for a reciprocal NDA so that the GM can’t leak anything to fans about the negotiations, which happens a decent about in an attempt to make players look greedy and have fans turn on them.
kmk1986
My god what r u boras body guard trust me bro he don’t need u
Dustyslambchops23
Good contribution to the discussion, solid points.
coldbeer
The jays are owned by a major media company. Let’s not act like they don’t spin the news as they see fit…boras does what they all do.
Rallyshirt
Such insider and insightful quotes from Scott.
coldbeer
Jays could have been shopping for a #1 shortstop if they were pursuing a bichette trade to fill other holes they had. Who knows the timeline…
More importantly, we don’t need public metrics to prove how bad of a defender bo was. His Benny hill reel from last year is a doozy
terrymesmer
>Had the Jays signed Bogaerts
To a one year deal, not a megadeal. It’s no coincidence that “Boras” begins with a B and ends with an S.
JoeBob33
Why do we need features about what lies Boras has told lately? Seriously—please find something worthwhile to report.
charlesk
Jays would have just been a stalking horse here. The biggest contract of any kind they’ve ever done is the Springer 6 years, $150 million deal. And are they serious about moving Bo Bichette to 2B? Because Bogaerts is a far superior defensive SS. Would Bo agree to that, or are they planning to trade him given they seemingly don’t see eye to eye on his value?
baseballteam
The Red Sox can get Bogaerts back in a few years for the league minimum after the Padres start dumping their contract mistakes.
Simm
So all the Red Sox have to do is wait a few years and they can pick up the padres scraps for nothing. What an excellent plan the Red Sox have.
BaseballGuy1
Boras…. perfect example of an agent attempting to drive the entire free agent market…. at the expense of MLB, the MLBPA, the free agents themselves and also the fans of baseball. Not to mention a tell-all, partially true, exaggerated, secrecy of the morning after….. when he too participated in the act and was paid an extraordinary amount to watch and take pictures…… zero ethics… as if agents abide by them. When does everyone say enough of Boras… not soon enough.
msqboxer
I’m sure all the money offers were close to be the same and he just chose the organization that’s ready to win and a great weather city.
Windowpane
Boras being very unprofessional.
Goose
All Boras did was confirm what ALL the fans were saying. The Red Sox didn’t want to come ANYWHERE near market rate or in years. The only difference is it was the same for the Twins with Correa but Correa’s medicals proved they gauged the market right.
JoeBrady
The Red Sox didn’t want to come ANYWHERE near market rate or in years.
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He said the one thing that the RS fans need to understand. It was going to be Bogaerts or Devers.
Steve Rogers
I don’t buy Boras account that the Cubs wanted Xander Bogaerts. Rather, the Cubs were kicking the tires to measure the free agent market and Bogaerts market value. The Cubs said that D. Swanson was there free agent target and I believe Jed Hoyer.
foppert
All Boras is doing is saying “Forget about what happened with Carlos, remember what I did for Xander. I’m awesome.”
The man is driven by self love.
Jordan 5
As much as he is a villain to most he is great at his job. However there a lot of teams that just won’t sign his players because they don’t like dealing with boras.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
100 percent correct. People tend to forget the disparaging remarks Boras has made specifically to teams. It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that teams lean towards other solutions rather than dealing with him.
foppert
I don’t have him as a villain, just an arrogant, disrespectful human. Pretty sure he could be just as effective without the offensive commentary he throws at organisations that don’t bend to his will.
Digdugler
I am sure the Jays inquired as they should have but they were definitely not involved anywhere close to what he received.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Lack of appreciation for agents can be linked to Hollywood’s greasy portrayal.
GO1962
I wonder what the Cubs management thinks of the Boras? Boras made it sound like the Cubs considered Swanson and Hoerner to be 2nd and 3rd fiddle to Bogaerts.
baseballguru
I don’t believe a word Boras says…not a single word. When it plays out that SD got absolutely raked over financial & time coals by him hopefully the guy gets banned from most teams forcing agents to look to honorable agents. Nobody needs a Boras in Baseball.