December 21: The Yankees have officially announced the signing.
December 15: The best remaining free agent starter is headed to the Bronx. The Yankees are reportedly in agreement on a six-year, $162MM contract with Carlos Rodón. The Boras Corporation client will receive a $5MM signing bonus and a $22MM salary next season followed by successive $27MM salaries from 2024-28. The deal contains a full no-trade clause and runs through Rodón’s age-35 season.
New York pairs the addition with their record-setting deal for defending AL MVP Aaron Judge as part of a huge offseason. The guarantee ties that of Brandon Nimmo for the sixth-largest deal of the offseason. Rodón will finish with the second-largest guarantee among free agent pitchers, narrowly behind the five-year, $185MM pact Jacob deGrom inked with the Rangers.
It’s the culmination of an incredible two-season run. The left-hander entered the professional ranks eight years ago, selected by the White Sox with the third overall pick in the 2014 draft. Owner of a mid-90s fastball and a wipeout slider, he was regarded as a potential top-of-the-rotation starter who’d quickly reach the big leagues. Rodón indeed found himself on Chicago’s south side by the middle of the 2015 campaign, and he posted a 3.90 ERA in 304 1/3 innings through the end of the following season.
Unfortunately, the Miami native’s career was then sidetracked by injuries. Rodón lost a chunk of the 2017 campaign to biceps bursitis, then underwent arthroscopic shoulder surgery that September. He didn’t debut until June the following year, making 20 starts. Early the next season, Rodón was diagnosed with an elbow issue. He went back under the knife in May ’19, this time undergoing a Tommy John procedure. He missed the remainder of that year, returning at the tail end of the 2020 campaign for four appearances.
The mounting injury troubles led the White Sox to decline to tender him a contract heading into 2021. Chicago circled back towards the end of the offseason, bringing him back on a $3MM free agent deal. That move was met with a fair amount of criticism, but it turned into one of the best decisions of GM Rick Hahn’s tenure.
Rodón was brilliant in 2021, earning his first All-Star nod with a 2.31 ERA over 89 2/3 first-half innings. He looked on his way to a Cy Young award when he dealt with some shoulder fatigue in August. Rodón only missed a couple weeks and continued to pitch well upon his return, although his velocity dropped towards season’s end. The southpaw concluded the year with a 2.37 ERA and a massive 34.6% strikeout percentage across 132 2/3 innings. He placed fifth in Cy Young balloting.
The end-of-year shoulder issue and velocity dip seemed to scare the Chicago front office, however. They made the eyebrow-raising decision not to issue Rodón a qualifying offer, allowing him to hit the open market without draft compensation attached. He remained a free agent until after the lockout, when the Giants added him on a two-year, $44MM guarantee. The deal contained an opt-out clause after year one, conditional on Rodón reaching 110 innings pitched in 2022. It was an opportunity for the star hurler to bet on himself, knowing a nine-figure deal could be in the cards if he maintained his 2021 form over a full, healthy season.
Rodón did exactly that, doubling down with perhaps the best season of his career. He stayed healthy all year, making 31 starts and tallying a personal-high 178 innings. Rodón worked to a sterling 2.88 ERA. He earned a second straight All-Star nod and was among the game’s best at missing bats. Rodón fanned 33.4% of opponents against a solid 7.3% walk rate. Among pitchers with 100+ innings, only Braves rookier Spencer Strider bested that strikeout percentage. Strider, Shohei Ohtani, Max Scherzer and Gerrit Cole were the only pitchers with a larger gap between their strikeout and walk rates.
Almost as importantly, Rodón’s arsenal showed no ill effects after his 2021 dip. His fastball averaged a strong 95.5 MPH, making him one of the game’s harder-throwing lefty pitchers. He generated high-end spin and whiff rates on both his fastball and slider, and opposing hitters swung through a massive 14.1% of his total pitches. Rodón stifled batters from both sides of the plate; he held lefties to a .179/.257/.260 line, while hitters with the platoon advantage put together just a .207/.264/.319 mark.
A second season of elite performance, this one without any health scares, cemented the 30-year-old as one of the sport’s top pitchers. His career took a more winding road than expected when he was drafted, but Rodón has developed into a top-of-the-rotation starter. He made the easy decision to opt out of his deal with San Francisco after topping the necessary innings threshold, and he quickly turned down a qualifying offer.
It now looks like a potentially elite Yankee rotation. New York watched Jameson Taillon depart but upgrades with the Rodón addition. He and Cole are co-aces, backed up by breakout hurler Nestor Cortes, Luis Severino and Frankie Montas. The latter two have had some injury concerns in recent seasons, but they’re overqualified as fourth and fifth starters if healthy. Domingo Germán, Clarke Schmidt and prospect Randy Vasquez are on hand as depth options who could step in if any of the top five get injured.
Rodón was one of three aces available in free agency, jointing deGrom and Justin Verlander. As the youngest of that trio, he always looked likely to secure the longest deal. The six-year term will be the longest for any pitcher this winter, although deGrom’s five-year contract and the stronger than expected market for mid-tier starters led to rumors Rodón’s camp was seeking a seven-year pact that’d push past $200MM. He falls well shy of that lofty hope, but the six-year, $162MM commitment is still quite strong for a pitcher.
It’s the first six-year commitment for a free agent pitcher since Cole and Stephen Strasburg pushed to nine and seven years, respectively, over the 2019-20 offseason. Patrick Corbin ($140MM) and Yu Darvish ($120MM) are the only other open market hurlers to reach six years since the start of the 2016 campaign. At the start of this offseason, MLBTR forecasted Rodón for a five-year, $140MM pact.
The cost for New York goes beyond the salary they’ll owe, as the deal pushes them even further into luxury tax territory. The Yankees were already set to pay the competitive balance tax, and adding Rodón pushes them towards the top tier of penalization. The contract comes with a $27MM average annual value, bringing New York’s CBT figure within a rounding error of the $293MM mark, according to Roster Resource. That’s the cutoff for the fourth CBT tier and places them around $60MM north of the $233MM base threshold.
New York also paid the luxury tax in 2022, so they’ll be subject to heightened penalties as a repeat payor. The Yankees will pay a 30% tax on their first $20MM in overages ($6MM), 42% on their next $20MM ($8.4MM), 75% on the next $20MM ($15MM) and 90% on every dollar spent above $293MM. Signing Rodón pushes them firmly to the top of the third threshold, essentially tacking on around $18MM in taxes. The $27MM salary will bring their raw payroll total around $277MM, which’ll easily be a franchise record.
Going past the third threshold will also push the Yankees first draft choice in 2024 down ten spots. Meanwhile, signing a player who’d turned down a qualifying offer will have a significant impact on their 2023 draft. New York is subject to the highest penalties as a team that paid the CBT this year. They’ll lose their second and fifth-highest selection in next summer’s amateur draft, while their international bonus allotment will drop by $1MM.
The Giants will receive compensation for Rodón’s departure. As a team that neither received revenue sharing payments nor paid the CBT this year, they’ll pick up a bonus selection between Competitive Balance Round B and the start of third round (typically around 75th overall) in next year’s draft. San Francisco had seemingly prepared for Rodón’s departure from the roster by making a pair of their preferred shorter-term rotation additions, bringing aboard Sean Manaea and Ross Stripling on two-year guarantees.
With Ródon off the board, Dansby Swanson is the last remaining free agent who’s likely to find a nine-figure deal. The free agent rotation market has mostly been covered at the top end, with Nathan Eovaldi, Michael Wacha, Johnny Cueto, Corey Kluber and Drew Rucinski standing as some of the top options still available. Needless to say, none of that group has the kind of upside Rodón does. It’s a bold bet from the Yankees, one they hope adds an impact arm to their playoff rotation as they look to advance past the AL Championship Series for the first time since 2009.
Jon Heyman of the New York Post first reported Rodón and the Yankees had agreed to a six-year, $162MM deal that contained a full no-trade clause. Bob Nightengale of USA Today was first to report the specific financial breakdown.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
jeff51488
Wow
padam
I’m surprised Boros settled for less than $30M per. Rodon must’ve really wanted to pitch for the Yankees.
Joe Kerr
Or they were the only team willing to go 6 years or anything above 25 mil per
VonPurpleHayes
I doubt that. Rodon was the best pitcher on the market who wasn’t 40 years old.
CaptainJudge99
Who wouldn’t want to pitch for the Yankees?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Normally I wouldn’t, but for that kind of money, I’m pretty sure I’d get over my anti-Yankee feelings pretty quickly.
avenger65
Typical Yankee arrogance. That’s why they’re so beloved.
DogDays2
We love you too!
acmeants
Too arrogant to put names on jerseys.
jopeness
how is investing in your team to win arrogance?
Ra
Woosh!
He was referring to 99’s comment.
Yankee Clipper
“Too arrogant to put names on jerseys”
Hm, wouldn’t arrogance be putting names on jerseys though? The fact that someone would be concerned with that is a great example of being self-centered…..
Catuli Carl
Yankees fans literally Booed Aaron Judge for a three game skid in the playoffs lol.
Gasu1
They should have cheered him? “No prob, Aaron, we love your record-setting so much, just take it easy in the playoffs.” They’ll give him an SO on Opening Day.
Catuli Carl
Yeah. They should have cheered him lol. I’ve never seen a team in any sport that boos their own hall of fame players for the slightest rough patch.
It wasn’t like Jude was half assing it. He just struggled for a few games.
Yes, you’re supposed to cheer your own players on. Encourage them. Not boo them.
Obviously. My god.
CaptainJudge99
And you probably booed Fernando Tatis when he had ringworm. Lol.
Catuli Carl
What?
Yankee Clipper
In all honesty though, the Yankees are far from the only fanbase to boo its players. Many fanbases in every sport do. Yankees just receive the most attention for it. And the erroneous report by Andy Martino made it a story, which Jose Trevino debunked on a podcast interview. Moreover, the immediate re-signing of Rizzo, the re-signing of Judge, and the fact that many players choose to play for the Yankees and their fans tells a very different story here.
My point: this is only a real issue for Joey Gallo & some opposing fans. Because it’s not impacting anyone’s decision to play in NY…….
Ra
Phillies, yes. Can’t name another MLB fan base that acts the way Yank fans do. Nor an MLB fan base that is as violent.
Yankee Clipper
Mets also booed Lindor extensively as well as other players (Baez and Diaz too).
Royals fans threw items at the players on the field. I believe it was in LA where they nearly killed a Giants fan.
Marlins fans booed Hanley Ramirez, Angels fans booed their players, both Chicago teams were noted for booing players on their respective teams at home, and you also forgot about BOSTON, but they boo everybody including their own family.
Catuli Carl
Nah the Yankees are unique in that regard. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen ever with other fanbases, but Yankees fans are notorious for booing their own hall of fame caliber players for short skids. They booed Judge, they booed Jeter, they booed Stanton, and the list goes on and on.
They are also a storied and wealthy enough franchise to even that out a bit, but I could see why players would want to avoid New York if the money was the same from a competitive team elsewhere. Or if they have a beard.
PinstripedPride
You’re forgetting the infamous Blue Jays-Rangers playoff series where the fans threw all manner of trash onto the field at the Rogers Centre and caused such a ruckus that the Rangers players retreated into the visitors’ room and the Jays players had to try to calm the fans down.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
IDK
You’d have to ask Chris Illich…apparently, he knows.
DogDays2
Yeah, only Yankee fans boo!
DogDays2
I just wish Yankee fans were more stable like Cub fans.
Instead of booing, they should wait until a defenseless nerd reaches out for a foul ball, blame him for an eight run inning… and then threaten and harass him until he disappears from out of site.
I would definitely be more proud of that!
jopeness
I certainly disliked hearing Judge get booed. I throw away those fans and would encourage them to stop buying tickets. Booing a player for not running out a ball, yes. Booing for precieved lack of effort, yes. But booing the guy who ssentially got the Yankees to the post season, no.
Now I think there are some misconceptions you have, NY is about expectations. They expect
YourDreamGM
No money left. Other teams spent twice as much paying for 40 year old shortstops. Or 70 million for guys who might pitch to a under 4 era.
FSF
Welcome Carlos!
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, Baby George! Signing some people to help the team and it wasn’t anywhere near $200MM. 6 years is 3 years too long, but that’s the market this year!
DogDays2
Every time Rodon coughs this year, I’ll be nervous.
6 years…..yikes.
Ma4170
Wow, Clip, fantastic signing. And I actually guessed a contract right in terms of length and dollars! Knew there was no way he was getting 7 years or more than $200m. This could actually turn out to be a “bargain” if he stays healthy. Good luck!
Joe Kerr
@Ma4170 That is a LARGE if. Good on Carlos securing this deal but wow is it ever so risky.
Yankee Clipper
Thanks MA4170! Appreciate it brother, and I agree. If he stays healthy that’s a great deal! I’m skeptical, but still we will take it, my friend!
Ma4170
@Joe – agree… BIG if, but in reality, all these hard throwers are ticking time bombs, though his history is littered with injuries. But last two years have been good so maybe that’s a sign the revamped mechanics help take some strain off his arm. When healthy, my goodness he’s filthy
Jean Matrac
Congrats Clip. It was going to take 6 to sign him, because if the Yanks wouldn’t, someone else would. Be happy that it wasn’t 7 since that’s what the rumors said he wanted.
Yankee Clipper
Thanks Tad… Odd to say, but finally getting excited for next season now, brother! I think this will be a big step for the Yankees in getting closer to the Astros, but we are not there yet.
killertofu
The Yankees are old and slow. They have zero in the minors and it’s time for a changing of the guard in the AL East. The Orioles will own that division. That team is stacked and prime for it.
Saskatchewan Jaysfan
Let’s not forget the Bluejays. Orioles will be extremely tough no doubt,and I can see them making the playoffs this upcoming year(and years to come), but the Jays aren’t done just yet this off-season. Look for them to get another outfield left-handed bat( and a big trade will probably make that happen because we have ridiculous depth at catcher
melfman1
Zero in the minors? That’s a little misleading. They were ranked 12th at midseason and have several top ranked prospects on the horizon (Volpe/Peraza/Wells). Keep believing the O’s will win, I’ll believe it when I see it.
Hammerin' Hank
When you sign Kyle Gibson and Adam Frazier in the same offseason, you are indeed stacked and primed for a changing of the guard. Signing those two tells those damned Yankees, “we mean business!”
Juggy
Lmaoooooo
Jobba11
Before the Kiermier presser I would have agreed . But he said front office told him he was the every day CF , no mention of a platoon situation , when you also consider payroll I am alittle worried that the heavy lifting is done in terms of everyday players .
Dbacks44
he always scares me everytime he throws a pitch. Great pitcher when healthy. Just a risk with all his arm issues. but I get it. they needed a pitcher
The_M4N
Didn’t you call 6/172? Pretty close. More reliable than Arson.
Yankee Clipper
Yes, sir M4N. But that was actually the co tract I heard he was offered. My prediction was 6 years with a 7th option at $205, I think.
But, apparently that reported offer was true. And credit where credit is due, I believe that was on Jason’s podcast from 161 River Ave.
FSF
I think in this market, this was a deal. And if he is anywhere near as good as he has been the last couple of seasons, this is going to be a major bargain. Plus, you have to protect against the fact that Severino is a free agent after next season. And I like that he is also left handed.
The_M4N
If Sevy stays healthy (a big if) and he throws over 150IP, I think the money will be there (Donaldson).
Mickey777
Clipp, I’m shocked he signed for those numbers. I agree he must have really wanted to be a Yankee! That’s great, it now means there are a few dollars left for LF and to get a left handed reliever!!! Psyched!!!
Yankee Clipper
Mickey7s: Absolutely. There were some people with close ties to Rodon that said he badly wanted to play for the Yanks. Apparently that was true for once!
I’m digging Chafin, man. But honestly, if there’s one place I really trust Cashman, it’s bullpen development.
We need one bat and I wouldn’t even complain every day about Donaldson/Hicks. Every other day? No promises.
Mickey777
I’ll sign up for Chafin!!!
rememberthecoop
Don’t forget the trade market Clip. Could always get their lefty reliever or LF that way.
tcaldwell12
they will acquire luzardo for the pen then stretch him out for a rotation spot when severino leaves
slider32
Spotrac had his market value at 32,4, Yanks got him for 27. Great deal, for a frontline pitcher. This puts the Yanks as team to beat, or at least one of the top contenders. Rotation of Cole, Rodon, Cortes, Sevy, and Montas will be tough to beat.
avenger65
Still can’t match the Astros.
slider32
Check Fangraphs!
avenger65
Check the POs.
Poster formerly known as . . .
As we discussed earlier, we were waiting for signs that Hal had loosened the purse strings instead of retreating into discount shopping after the massive contract to Judge.
Looks like we have our answer.
Yankee Clipper
I know, it’s like we are Yankees again, Fink…almost!
killertofu
The Yankees are old and slow. They have zero in the minors and it’s time for a changing of the guard in the AL East. The Orioles will own that division. That team is stacked and prime for it.
.
Just listen to The Beets Tofu!
DogDays2
Maybe with about 10 more high first round picks!
The_M4N
The Orioles are coming. They are coming.
Poster formerly known as . . .
The Yankees’ farm has four players in the Top 100. MLB.com ranks it the #12 farm system after the trade deadline, and Fangraphs ranks it #14.
Poster formerly known as . . .
The O’s have the #1 or #2 farm, DogDays. They’re in good shape. But the Yankees have lots of talent in the minors.
Saskatchewan Jaysfan
Yeah and the Jays are all of a sudden forgotten?lol.btw Roden has great stuff no doubt, but alot of fans seem to forget that he played have his games in Oracle park,which in its history has been a one of the best pitchers parks, plus other than the Dodgers lineup, and San Diegos 3 best hitters from last year..he faced fairly weak competition from the Rockies,and Dbacks. The A.L. east is a different animal altogether as Cole has found out first hand. The Yankees will be favored,but look for at least 3 teams from the east making the playoffs(maybe even four as the Redsox are the only weak team in the division)
Poster formerly known as . . .
Rodon was 4th in FIP and tied for 6th in opponent batting average in away games, Jaysfan.
In the AL East, three teams scored as many as 700 runs. In the NL West, four of the five teams scored at least 700 runs, and the fifth, Colorado, scored 698. The Dodgers scored the most runs of the 30 teams, and the NL West was the highest-scoring division in baseball.
Other than that, great post.
YourDreamGM
You guys rather give DeGrom more money for less years? Or pay 2 40 year olds 43 million and hope they still have something in October?
Dr2022
Hey clip. Maybe Yankees fans should boo Steinbrenner a little more often. Definitely seem to light a fire under his butt this year.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah man! Perhaps the cheers for him will embolden him to spend more now!
David Barista
Only 6 years? Why not 10?
Braves Butt-Head
Let’s wait because its Heyman. I need a Jeff Passen confirmation lol
Srechter35
Yup. Dude did some serious credibility damage on big calls lol. He needs to earn my trust back. Give me Passan!
Darryl Rose
I’m sure he will spend the rest of his career trying to earn your respect.
Omarj
confirmed
just_thinkin
Just like the Yankees, this rumor has been so ubiquitous that it’s boring.
DogDays2
Winning isn’t boring….
PhanaticDuck26
let us know when that happens for the Yanks
DogDays2
100 games per year, just follow the sport….
PhanaticDuck26
sorry, I was counting from 2009
DogDays2
Oh ok, get that calculator going….100 +100+ 100…..
avenger65
And in the POs?
DogDays2
Not as successful regrettably.
But for someone who roots for lesser teams in other sports, I’ll take being in contention every year. Being a Yankee fan isn’t a bad gig.
cadagan
This is defintely a Yankees move.
Acquiring pitchers immediately after final success. Often after their career years. High risk..
Often acquiring players at their peaks. Going back as far as I can remember.
Pavano. Jared Wright. Burnett. Kenny rogers. Andy Hawkins. Lapoint. Farnsworth. Whitson. Rhoden.
But sometimes it works out and the players continue their great success. Key. Cone. Mussina. Sabathia. Cole
DogDays2
Don’t ever mention Ed Whitson here again!
Perksy
Except Key, Cole, Musisna, Cone, Sabathia not injury prone like Rodon.
Hammerin' Hank
Those first nine pitchers you mentioned were all just ordinary to slightly above average. Nowhere near at Rodon’s talent level. The five who worked out, worked out because they were all very good to superstar-level talents.
Hammerin' Hank
My most vivid memory of Whitson was from the great Braves/Padres brawl of 1984. He was in the dugout after one of the 4 or 5 fights that day, and had a look on his face like he really wanted to kill somebody. In 1985, he fought his manager Billy Martin in a bar!
ChuckyNJ
Yankee fans hated Ed Whitson long before he fought with Billy Martin in the team hotel in Baltimore.
DogDays2
I was young (er) but I remember something about Yankee fans following him home after another bad outing lol
DogDays2
Samuel confirmed it.
God Help Us All
Samuel is an idiot.
DogDays2
noooo! ask him for his resume, or just view it on all his posts.
User 1413108128
And a welp!
That’s why I call him Suzie Samuel.
BeforeMcCourt
It’s not hard to read Heyman. In my mind, he has a deal with Boras to leak whatever Boras wants about his clients, in exchange for the scoop on the final deal from Boras. If someone else gets it quicker oh well, but Boras will tell Heyman first
Yankee Clipper
Actually, it wasn’t Heyman that broke it, it was obviously a cut-and-paste from someone else, like Passan. If it was Heyman that broke it, it would’ve read:
“Yankees to sing Colon Rodon”
PinstripedPride
Passan, Nightengale, Curry, Kuty, Feinsand… they’ve all said the same. It’s happening.
Milwaukee-2208
Scott Kazmir 2.0
Travis’ Wood
Scott Kazmir threw 100 mph?
Joe Kerr
If I remember correctly from his time in Tampa, early in his career he could hit upper 90’s
DogDays2
Oh I see….so every pitcher that has had an injury is comparable.
avenger65
Name me ten current pitchers that haven’t had an injury.
Tacoshells
Hoookay
Cohens_Wallet
Not a bad deal at all. There you go Yankee fans, nice rotation you guys have there.
dasit
we’re enjoying our new role as the scrappy, low-budget NYC team 😉
benhen77
Plz be another fake scoop…
Nothing
Well, jays are gonna have to play for the wild card again. Congrats to Yankees fans though, this is how the Yankees should be spending.
Cohens_Wallet
100% agreed.
Cohens_Wallet
BTW I agreed with the 2nd part of your post, I’m not so sure of the 1st part. Bluejays should never be discounted.
case
I dunno, 6 years and 180 mill for a guy that’s really only been above average for 2 years of his injury plagued career? Love the strategy of spending on SP but this guy is a huge gamble.
VonPurpleHayes
A gamble the Yankees had to take. When healthy, he’s an ace.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Still more than Bloom ever gambled though.
YourDreamGM
If I am paying a guy on 2 years it better be his last 2 and it was. Really I don’t care about many years after that.
tedtheodorelogan
There should be a salary cap of about 225 and a salary floor of about 160 and then everyone would have to spend. That way the off-season would be fun for fans of all the teams and you wouldn’t be allowed to be in rebuild mode for decades.
VonPurpleHayes
I think both need to be higher. 300 and 190.
brodie-bruce
tbh i don’t see how a cap and floor will improve matters, in the other big sports there are caps and you still have teams that will just spend to the floor and still rebuild for decades. the true problem is the owners not wanting to spend because it cuts into there profits.
i like al conin
Agree. It’s ridiculous. How can the Rays, for example, compete against this? Money beats the Rays, not on the field. Yes, they have other methods but imagine them with 2 or 3 $30 mil players. Totally unfair system.
YourDreamGM
I am sure Rays ownership is enjoying their revenue sharing. Their 3,000 fans will just have to home they keep making smart decisions and pumping out the good young players.
tcaldwell12
i always tell my buddies this same thing… what would the Rays FO do with a top5 to top10 payroll?
tcaldwell12
ah yes because that’s sustainable
YourDreamGM
You giving the small markets the 30 to 60 million a year so they can sign off on the floor? What’s your argument to the players union? The money will be the same but instead of everyone going to ny and la to play on super teams you get to to go to Pittsburgh and Milwaukee!
Yankee Clipper
Ted: As sad as it is, it would still be horrible for a majority because it’s the owners of those teams who still wouldn’t spend.
Also, as much as it pains me to say this frankly, having big markets going to the postseason more frequently is good for baseball. Why? Because all the money (the $11.7B) that comes in, in from a large majority of big markets. So, if you skew the big markets so they completely fund the small markets, and now the big markets are bounced out frequently because they can’t spend (which is your competitive balance theory that’s also been proven wrong in the called sports), you would lose big market fans. Thus you would lose more paying audience members, and also losing more money, which would really hirt the sport.
Based on you equal money = same performance, Do you think it hurts baseball more to have smaller markets rebuild and compete frequently or bigger markets? The answer is obvious.
But, I respect your feelings as a small market fan. Get the owners to spend some money, man! That’ll make the game much more fun, and then we can truly assess how to get it most competitive from there.
ohyeadam
Salary floors don’t raise the quality of players just how much those players make
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Professional women’s hockey league will double its cap. Think that will make the game more interesting?
billneftlebergjr
Why ? I say fold every team that can’t afford to compete. Small market teams just pocket revenue sharing and drag down the game. Why should fans in big markets pay $2500 for single game box seats just so fans in Hooverville can have big league teams?
Dustyslambchops23
Yanks were 35-35 the last 70 games of the season while Judge was in complete beast mode.
This is a nice signing by them and they will be a good team next year, but handing them the division over the Jays and Rays today is a tad over dramatic. The same way it was ridiculous everyone handed the jays the division last year
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I didn’t know the season started already? Sheesh it’s December, let things play out before you crown the Yankees winners.
boggie77
is this believable!!
niel.marshal
27M AAV, not bad for Rodon
TheRickestRick
Good for him.
Bright Side
How will that improve the offense?
NWYanksfan
The offense is improved with Peraza starting over IKF, and Cabrera starting over Hicks.
NWYanksfan
Besides Bright Side, does a team that finished second in runs scored need to improve offense?
Bright Side
What is your point? That the Yankees offense is good enough to win the the RS but is incapable of scoring runs against great pitching in the playoffs? This sounds like the tone Hal and Cash would take to defend their losing in the postseason year in, year out.
Joe Lopez
Don’t forget a full year of Bader.
Bright Side
Bader is an elite CF, but isn’t a great bat. He makes contact but doesn’t get on base.
2022 xwOBA Yankees
Aaron Judge .463 (1st)
Giancarlo Stanton .351 (33rd)
Anthony Rizzo .349 (39th)
DJ LeMahieu .344 (48th)
Andrew Benintendi .334 (75th) GONE
2021 Harrison Bader .295 (198th)
The Astros replaced Gurriel .271 (239th) with Abreu. .373 (10th).
The Astros now have 5 players in the top 50 in 2022 xwOBA. with Bregman ranking the lowest at 38th. Alvarez, was only 1/1000 a point behind Judge at #2 .462
From baseball savant:
xwOBA is formulated using exit velocity, launch angle and, on certain types of batted balls, Sprint Speed.
slider32
Now, the Yanks can grow with Peraza and Volpe in the line=up. I’m predicting both will win jobs up the middle. This makes it easier for Cashman to move others. Yanks now have some direction moving forward.
DogDays2
That would be wonderful….but I doubt it.
Bright Side
I doubt Volpe gets called up in 2023. The Yankees value service time. This team made Peraza a late call up despite out performing IKF in Sept. Once they called him up, they stuck him on the bench. IKF and Gleyber were awful and exposed DRS and WAR as crap stats. Any chance of beating the Astros depended on them to get a well rested Cole to start G1, but IKF and Gleyber were butchers on D. As a result, a banged up Clevland team too them to the brink in G5. I’m not saying they would have beaten the ‘Stros, but any minute chance evaporated after the ALDS.
Bright Side
Was Peraza in the postseason starting lineup? I like Cabera, but he needs to learn how to work counts and draw walks, otherwise, he’s a switch hitting Gleyber.
Joe Kerr
Maybe he has been hiding an incredible talent all this time?
Cohens_Wallet
It all starts with pitching.
slider32
Yes, as Casey used to say you never have enough pitching. Fangraphs has Yanks staff #1 and they are in their prime.
Brew’88
It ends with bitching
Bright Side
I assume you mean “pitching”.
The Yankees can’t score runs because they can’t hit good pitching in the playoffs. Is that the result of bad pitching? I reject the tired cliche of “good pitching always beats good hitting”. The truth is that good pitching always beats slugging. Slugging and hitting are two separate things. A great example of this is the mistake the Braves made in allowing Freeman to walk and replacing him with a slugger who draws walks, hits HRs, and hit .240. Olson, is a slugger who can’t hit while Freeman is a hitter who can slug, which is the best kind of hitter. What do you call teams that had lineups which have had success against good pitching? Pennant winners and WS champs.
adkuchan
There are two ways to improve a team. Score more, or give up fewer runs. The idea here is to do the second. You’re welcome.
Bright Side
Well, since they fail at the first and their D is overrated, are you hoping for Cole and Rondon to hold good hitting teams in the playoffs to under two runs? Thanks for nothing.
Yankee Clipper
Bright Side: You’re right to worry. We need offense, but with all the pitchers vacating next year, this will help.
Kay says there is something big still brewing on the trade market for the Yanks. Let’s see!
Yanks2
Yankees should sign Bader to a Hicks contract imo. He deserves it for how good he is
Bright Side
CFs and SSs are overrated in value. Scarcity and demand are the determinants. Both are glove first positions. Many teams including the Yankees and the BoSox have great SS prospects. They’re not hard to find and if your owner is working under a self imposed cap, be careful what you wish for. As I said earlier, Bader isn’t a good hitter.
slider32
Benny is next, and then Cash will have to make some trades with Donaldson, Hicks, and Gleyber. Benny is my quess or Gleyber for Hendricks!
Yankee Clipper
Man, I’m all-in on one of two guys: Benny or Reynolds. I could see a pivot to Reynolds, but I heard a trade proposal on Jomboy Media that is very, very Cashman-like:
Hick w/$5M + IKF (and perhaps a prospect) for Max Kepler. That screams Cashman.
NWYanksfan
Honestly Clip, I’m ok handing LF to Cabrera. Reynolds would be great if it didn’t cost too much in prospects. But signing Benintendi to a multi million dollar contract wouldn’t add much more than Cabrera could provide.
Poster formerly known as . . .
As I said before, Clipper, an outfield of Kepler, Bader and Judge would give the Yanks arguably the best defensive outfield in baseball. I could readily live with that. The best way to maximize the pitching is to maximize the defense behind the pitchers.
Yanks2
Yankees gain nothing by trading Torres. He’s still relatively cheap with a high ceiling as he can still hit 25 to 30 HR with 80 plus RBI in a healthy season
slider32
Actually Hendricks will cost too much, Gleyber to the Dodgers for Graterol and Thompson.
YourDreamGM
Reynolds cost too much. Can’t blame someone for not wanting to pay for 4 and now 3 years of control.
Steve(shs22)
Kepler set to enter beast mode , after shifting normalization and that little band box ballpark called yake stadium
Poster formerly known as . . .
Never heard of yake stadium, Steve, but Yankee Stadium plays as a neutral park and the dimensions are the same for the visiting teams, too. It didn’t make Blengino’s list of 15 most hitter-friendly ballparks in 2022:
forbes.com/sites/tonyblengino/2022/10/14/these-mlb…
Baseball Savant’s Park Factor ratings put Yankee Stadium in the 16th tier:
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-f…
Dr2022
@pink. Yes it does. Kepler is OK but not much better than Hicks in my opinion. I would rather have Tatís or Soto lol. But seriously, reynolds would be a huge upgrade or Benintendi.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I think Kepler might be a better addition than most may think. Baseball Savant says he was shifted on in 89.7% of his at-bats in 2022. Between the elimination of the shift and moving his lefty bat to the Bronx and the short porch, his superior defense might be augmented by a substantial boost in offense.
Yankee Clipper
Fink, you’re right you did. I was adverse to acquiring him because of his stats, but I do admit it may have been in haste. I forgot about one potentially crucial fact for someone like Kepler: the shift is banned. So, with his pull tendency, he could be much improved this season, although still not my first choice. Defensively though, he’s really good.
NWYanks: Although I’m with you, brother, I will say this: I think the Yankees time to trade their prospects is now. We are in a position to go for it and we need to, especially if that means Reynolds. Now, of course the obvious “reasonableness” qualifier is attached to my statement and I don’t mean blow the entire farm. But we can afford to trade a couple key prospects for a championship.
Also, I noted something very, very interesting about Rodon’s contract. The first year (2023) is only $22MM. That tell me Cashman probably has a deal lined up to make that amount work within the $273 limit. Coincidentally, it’s only $1MM more than Donaldson is due, if I recall correctly.
As of right now they’re projected to have a LTT payroll of $293MM, with Rodon’s salary. But we suspect they’re looking to move IKF as well, so there’s $6M additional, and Torres even more ($9MM I think).
CaptainJudge99
@slider32- no need for Hendricks with Kahnle now. Not seeing why Gleyber can’t be in a Reynolds trade? If the Pirates don’t want Torres, then the teams can do a 3 way trade with another team like the Marlins.
Yankee Clipper
Hey, just found out something cool, and something…not so cool.
Bad news: Aaron Hicks gets his 10/5 rights in the middle of the season, so if he’s not traded early, he has no-trade rights.
Good news: Diamondbacks OFer Alek Thomas is a huge Yankees fan according to his father, and he’s always been. Apparently the Yanks are his dream team.
Bright Side
Most teams use Statcast and know that Gleyber sucks both as a hitter and defensively.
Bright Side
I appreciate that. That said with the Mets getting Correa, the Giants are now staring at a rebuild. That means the most underrated player in MLB might become available. Joc Pederson. Getting him would show great improvement. Perhaps enough to get this team into the WS. The Astros made a significant upgrade by replacing Gurriel with Abreu.
In nurse follars
Truly an arms race in New York.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Wow, Yankees locking down long term commitments left and right.
But, if it gets you what you need…it was worth it.
Bright Side
If they don’t improve their offense, it will be folly.
Carl W.
Oh, great was worried my Twins would screw themselves with this IL pitcher
Milwaukee-2208
They only screwed themself with Buxton aka mr glass bones
Mystery Team
Don’t worry that Buxton deal will feel like thirty years when all is said and done.
YourDreamGM
Yep. Good pass on trying to contend by the twins.
wmurphy24
Seems low
kellin
And that concludes the hot stove off-season.
.
SD offered him 7/250 at the last minute and that sealed the deal for the Yanks!
Nervehammer
The Yankees saw what the Mets did and said, “hold my beer”
Samuel
All the Yankees did up until today was resign Judge.
People on here acting like they’re unbeatable.
ohyeadam
Let’s not forget Rizzo. This was their first notable addition and a good value imo
Samuel
ohyeadam;
They resigned Rizzo too.
Guess there’s no use even playing the season in the AL, huh?
The_M4N
@Samuel, you mad bro?
avenger65
Rizzo, like judge, were not additions. They re-signed.
Darryl Rose
Really
Which comments? I’m not seeing them
DogDays2
Nah, the Yankees said….you hold your Budweiser….while I pick up my scotch.
zack novotny
WHATA STEAL
Jay 30
Bye bye beard.
PinstripedPride
YES!!! Way to go Cashman! Rotational upgrade, lets goooo
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, look, this may end up bad, but I can’t fault Cashman for this signing. They needed this, honestly. And I’ve been proud of Hal this year. It’s almost like he’s a real Steinbrenner!
.
Congrats once again Clip! I know you said he was your #1 pitching target.
Yankee Clipper
He was, thanks. I hope he works out, man. They definitely needed the added SP help. I hope he stays healthy, of course, but I really can’t fault Cashman for this. Perhaps for putting us in the position to need him, but not for getting him now – finally going for it. If he can pitch anywhere near last season, Rodon, Cole, & Nestor, Sevy, Montas will make one challenging 1-5.
thecrown24
@Yankee Clipper that is a nasty 1-5 and I’m a big Mets fan. If that Yankee staff stays healthy and Montas can bounce back and make the NY adjustment and go back to being the pitcher he was in Oakland that’s arguably the best 1-5 in baseball.
Yankee Clipper
Crown: Thanks, man. I appreciate that perspective for sure. I don’t think I’m quite as bullish on that rotation, but I’ve heard several say exactly what you’ve said. I think mine is a natural guard against inevitable disappointment….lol.
But, not doubt, if these guys can stay healthy and perform anywhere near their 2022 numbers it will be one of the best, and I’ll take that for sure.
goastros123
Congrats, Clipper. Ya’ll got the guy you wanted.
Yankee Clipper
Goastros! Thanks brother! Although I’m not nearly confident enough in the team to start trash-talking Astors fans yet, so gimme another year…lol.
Nevertheless, we definitely needed this to start competing against the Astros dominant rotation, even without JV. It’s been so long since we’ve had reliable 1-3 pitching for postseason games, man. If the Yanks can get another good bat for LF, preferably LH, it will make for an awesome series should we meet in the post again (which odds will favor heavily).
Dr2022
@clipper. I’m surprised that this happened, but pleasantly so. I thought it was just talk as usual. I’m glad the Yankees got this done, desperately needed to upgrade the rotation especially since Cole is not what he was advertised to be.
However, this does not negate the need for us to dramatically improve our offense. A left fielder is desperately needed, not named Hicks. Benintendi would be good, and would solve that problem. There are trades that could be made also, if Cashman cannot spend any more money. DJ ,if healthy can play third and that would be an upgrade over Donaldson ,who should be traded , or at least put on the bench. Peraza can be put in short, relegating IKF to the bench, or he could probably be easily traded, with such a low salary. Those moves would easily improve the offense, and the team, and would require only one more free agent acquisition, or trade, unless Donaldson could be moved, but you would have to eat some of his money and attach a prospect.
Mikenmn
High risk, possibly high reward signing. Rondon can clearly pitch extremely well. But geez, this is a risk, and it’s a typical Yankee’s one.
whyhayzee
Rodent to New York. What a shocker (yawn).
Another post season choke artist. Nice 13.50 ERA.
skyyalpha
Carlos Rodent and Arson Judge, together at last
Darryl Rose
Oh that’s so awesome how you changed their names. Is grade 3 challenging?
dartvard
2.2 innings pitched in post season. Not exactly a sample size to conclude he’s a post season “choke artist.”
Chicken In Philly?
I’m surprised he’s even pitched in the postseason, considering he played for the White Sox. At least now he’ll get a chance every year. But yeah, call someone with 2.2 career postseason innings a choke artist.
whyhayzee
If he has anything left in the tank when Boonedoggle is done overusing him, then he will have a slightly larger sample of suckage.
You either perform or you don’t, it’s that simple. And he didn’t. But, yes, it’s a small sample size. And I’m sure he wants another chance.
But hopefully, he fails miserably.
Chicken In Philly?
Why the hate?
avenger65
Simple. It’the Yankees, hated by about 80 percent of the country.
DogDays2
Sounds like a sign of relevance and success…
avenger65
Or arrogance and believing too much in your press clippings.
ChuckyNJ
The Yankees are hated so much that every Yankees-Red Sox game gets full national coverage if not close to it.
DogDays2
Not sure how believing what you read is arrogant but whatever.
Rooty007
He performed well in pitcher friendly San Francisco’s Oracle Park but far worse on the road. It will be interesting to see how things go in Yankee stadium
stymeedone
That’s really not the response you want from fans for $28MM per year.
Datashark
His away numbers were not far worse.- it was worse but he got lit a few times as he faced LAD/SD often
Jean Matrac
First off, Oracle is no longer a pitcher’s park. It’s still good for limiting HRs, but for overall hitting it plays neutral since the changes to the park. Second, most every player, both hitters and pitchers, do better at home. And last a lot of those numbers in road parks are small samples. For example, he has better numbers in hitter’s parks like Citizen’s, Angel’s Stadium, Fenway, and Minute Maid, than he does in pitcher’s parks like Dodger Stadium, Petco, and Kaufman Stadium.
Brew’88
Petco is no longer a pitchers park, unless you’re Trent Grisham
Jean Matrac
“Petco is no longer a pitchers park…”
Since when? Over the last 3 seasons it has a park factor of 94. That’s very pitcher-friendly. Only T-Mobile is less hitter-friendly.
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-f…
JoeBrady
Incorrect Rooty.
stymeedone
That’s a lot of cheddar for a guy who’s had one healthy season. What evidence is there that his injuries are behind him? I can’t imagine how well he’d be paid if he had a track record of 30+ starts a year.
Giants78
Just as I feared, Farhan couldn’t pull Judge away from the Yankees, but the Yankees were able to pull Rodon away from the Giants. The Yankees are MLB’s spoiled, favored child – they always get what they want.
2001morecowbell2001
Lol he wanted to put on pinstripes and no one wants to play in San Fran. I think you’re projecting a bit with the “spoiled child” statement.
claude raymond
2001, you wrote “no one wants to play in San Fran”. I’ll add to that sentence “…for more than 13 years”. I will however agree with you that the “spoiled” comment was ridiculous. 78 needs more cowbell.
dasit
reminder that your team has won 3 world series since the yankees’ last one
gravel
Do they really always get what they want? I submit to you they do not.
whyhayzee
The world’s most obnoxious sports fans? Check.
Multiple confirmed cheaters on their roster? Check.
Making money hand over fist? Check.
Championships lately? Nope.
That must be what they want. Money over championships. Enjoy your lollipop.
Jean Matrac
Wow, somebody woke up bitter today.
slider32
Why read it, if it bothers you that much!
Jean Matrac
How do you know if it will bother you if you don’t read it?
Juggy
Another statement from another jealous person.
Eatdust666
They do not always get what they want, because if they did, their roster would be better than it actually is, although it isn’t bad.
YourDreamGM
Not all bad for the Giants. They locked up up the most hated player in baseball till age 47. Those 20 hrs a year will be exciting.
Braves Butt-Head
Welp we now know the market for Max Fried in 2 seasons. Max probably will get 7 for 200 if he keeps or improves his level of performance.
robbie83
How about a SS? Take on Taitis contract or Swanson
YourDreamGM
I wouldn’t wish that Tatis contract on my worst enemy.
tcaldwell12
lol are you kidding me? sure he makes some dumb decisions and is immature but hes still supremely talented.
kgcubs
Aloha folks, as one that enjoyed watching many Rodon starts in SF, he did well and started 31 games, pitched over 170innings. Hopefully this is who the Yankees get. I wish him well. Mahalo!
YourDreamGM
Thanks baseball reference I mean kgcubs.
Milwaukee-2208
Can’t wait for the next article:
“San Diego offered 13/475 before the Yankees finalized the deal”
piratefan101
Lol
Eatdust666
Lmao
Datashark
He will be quite good enough for 2-3 years (not likely under 3.00ERA) – its curious if he could reach 200IP – It will be bonus if he does pitch over 170innings. I bet first year he will go all out to prove to fans, thereafter he will slip, as motivation is not there, until year 6
YourDreamGM
Or maybe he what we used to call a man and enjoys competing and winning and trys hard all 6 years.
tcaldwell12
the same man who indicated himself (+his wife) he had essentially coasted throughout his entire baseball career on his talent. sure he put in work, but missing out on all the potential $$ by failing out of baseball is a great motivator and with these last two contracts, he’s good if he never signs another
aragon
not a good acquisition. he will be bombed in al west.
PinstripedPride
Hot takes all over the place. Haters gonna hate. The dude had the highest K per 9 rate in baseball and has a wicked fastball/slider combo. Two good years under his belt after he made adjustments. He’ll be just fine.
aragon
we’ll just have to wait and see. last 2 seasons were contract ones.
benhen77
Not to mention leading the NL in FIP.
tcaldwell12
patrick corbin says hello
and yes i realize corbin wasn’t pitching at the same level prior to FA as Rodon has, but theres multiple similarities
for yankees fans sake i hope it turns out better
skyyalpha
Finally, Claro Rodon gets to play with Arson Judge.
aragon
lmao.
Gwynning
¡Claro que sí!
phenomenalajs
Wouldn’t a guarantee over six years be worth more than the same guarantee over eight years? It shouldn’t be considered a tie in dollars since today’s dollars are worth more than tomorrow’s dollars
manosthof
Dude strikes out a lot of batters but he’s a fly ball pitcher. 64% of his hit pitched are line drives or fly balls. That’s probably gonna translate to a lot of homers in Yankee stadium.
ChuckyNJ
Rodon is a southpaw and he is exactly what you want on the Yankee pitching staff. All those right-handed hitters will be hitting deep fly balls that stay in the park.
BrettPhillipsFanClub
Solid and finally yanks hedge against a judge regression (cant be home run king every year) and a cortes possible league adjustment. With severino back in fold the yanks might actually be a better team.
Jean Matrac
Yes that’s true. But it’s also true you can be a bad team and score a ton of runs.
avenger65
Or, as they showed last season, you can win an incredible number of games early on, but it doesn’t get you past the Astros or result in getting far in the POs.
DogDays2
Not getting far= ALCS
tcaldwell12
to be fair but nobody was beating that astros team without a spending spree akin to the 22/23Mets offseason + few more of last winters FA’s going to an already top team
The_M4N
Still need a LF and a 3B.
JCL10
Is donaldson a free agent now?
The_M4N
I wish he was.
VonPurpleHayes
The deal is more reasonable than I expected even though it’s still crazy.
BrettPhillipsFanClub
agreed after this winter
3Rivers
Yeeeah spend those millions. Top 3 in payroll every year
1 WS win in at least 20 years.
Can you imagine the number of WS wins they SHOULD have based on how much more money they get to spend on players than most of the rest of the league?
Smh
DaddyDann
Someone’s Jellyyy .. LFG!!!
VonPurpleHayes
Payroll doesn’t guarantee World Series wins, but it has a pretty good track record of getting teams to the playoffs. More teams splurge now than ever before. Not sure why the Yankees get more hate. Dodgers and Mets were #1 and 2 last year in payroll. Yanks #3.
CarverAndrews
And more than ever with the new playoff format. The money can buy the playoff spots at a high rate of return. But baseball more than the other major sports…it won’t buy the title nearly as frequently or with a high degree of certainty.
That really is not a bad tradeoff for the fans. More teams in the hunt for more of the season, and more fan bases get to experience the playoffs even if only for a couple of games. But once you are in, mayhem can be the result and the Yankees / Dodgers / Mets level of spending will not guarantee much at all in the way of a cakewalk to the title.
avenger65
Arrogance. Their fans, not their players.
VonPurpleHayes
You just got to tune it out. All large fan bases have that, and the Yankees is one of the largest. They have plenty of great fans as well, but you’ll always get more bad than good with any team.
The_M4N
Yinzer!!!
J leathal86
Baseball needs a salary cap
Eatdust666
They do, but the MLBPA would never go for it.
VonPurpleHayes
Needs a floor far more than a cap, but I’d be happy with both.
Gwynning
Can’t do one without the other… if they’re ever agreed upon that is.
Brew’88
Mlbtr needs a floor as well
Gwynning
Careful what you wish for, Brew… they’ll kick us outta here!
YourDreamGM
Only fans (mainly small market ones) want a cap. Owners are fine with the current system and players absolutely love it.
Yanks2
Jon Heyman reported it so we’ll have to wait for another sports writer to confirm it before knowing if it’s true
Dr2022
Hs ha. Quite true.
twins33
That is a perfectly reasonable deal. Wanted him on the Twins, but knew it was never going to happen
Y2KAK
Glad it’s finalized. Finishes the rotation
ceol.mor
I don’t think Rodón really liked being a Giant all that much, so this comes as no surprise to me.. I guess he’ll have to find a razor now… .
VirginiaGiant
He liked being a Giant, but the Giants weren’t gonna give an injury prone pitcher a 7 year contract
YourDreamGM
He would not only like but would love being a giant if they gave him 200 and some million.
ThonolansGhost
6 years, 162 million is a lot less than what Rodon was reportedly asking for… Still, it seems like a lot for a guy with a history of health problems.
YourDreamGM
He have some kind of arm disease that’s going to cause it to fall off or something?
PinstripedPride
Cole, Rodon, Cortes, Severino, Montas. I love this rotation.
Gwynning
Nasty… and I don’t mean just Nestor. Grats Yanks fans, hope to see you in the big dance.
ohyeadam
Considering how hot the stove has been this year it feels light for a 30 year old Cy Young candidate.
Wonder if a team offered 35-40 for one or two years with an opt out. He puts up another year like last year maybe he gets into the Verlander/Scherzer/deGrom money tier
Juggy
I don’t know why a lot of non Yankee fans are so bitter towards the Yankees? The Yankees have been irrelevant for the last 13 years. The Yankees are now one more offensive juggernaut away from beating the Astros.
VonPurpleHayes
@Juggy Right? Hated the Yankees when they were the only team doing this. Now most of the top markets do it. Don’t get the Yankee hate, and I’m not a Yankee fan.
tcaldwell12
i hate the dodgers for being “the new yankees” (+ i love watching their annual choke job) but i guess i’ll probably get tired of the mets in a couple years and hate them too
Samuel
Juggy;
It’s not the Yankees…..
It’s their fans and the way the national baseball media fawns over them.
Tiring to read and listen to year-after-year when there are so many better organizations, players and teams fans out there (and those non-NYC fans actually know something about baseball),
RDR
I’ve been hoping for a hatred reset.
Samuel
RDR;
Thanks for confirming my point!
YourDreamGM
All fans are annoying but I find Yankee fans the most annoying. Seems others do as well. They were the only or main big spender for years so that sticks with the old people. I don’t consider myself bitter though. Just answering your ?. I feel like I call it as I see it for all 30 teams.
ArianaGrandSlam
Rich people tend to buy stuff that they don’t need. This is the very good example.
Poster formerly known as . . .
That’s a very poor take. The Yankees absolutely needed a quality starting pitcher.
JCL10
Cole, Nestor Cortes, and Montas are all ace quality pitchers. Luis Severino is dominant when he is healthy. Clark Schmidt and German are both more than capable of being #5 starters. Plus their top prospects who are pitchers.
IMO they should have spent the money on upgrading their offense, which was what doomed them against the astros.
Poster formerly known as . . .
The only one of those three who can arguably be called an ace is Cortes, and he ran out of gas and got injured at the end of the season. He says his goal is to make it to 200 innings for the first time.
Cole ranked 30th in ERA, 21st in FIP, and 22nd in fWAR among 45 qualified starters this year. Jordan Montgomery’s FIP was three points higher and his ERA was two points lower. Is Monty an ace?
slider32
Many of the owners who don’t spend are richer than Hal, maybe they should quit being tight wads.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Finally…for once, a big market team lands a top free agent.
About time.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Meanwhile Red Sox do nothing to improve their roster
JoeBrady
You mean, except for signing Yoshida, Martin, Joley, and Jansen, right?
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Doesn’t help with the starting pitching. I wouldn’t call those additions substantial to be honest.
tcaldwell12
ah yes, the baseball powerhouse Boston Red Sox sign 2 relievers primed for substantial decline and overpay for a contact hitter with below average pop at best..
mrmackey
Hal is hungry like the wolf.
Poster formerly known as . . .
“Rodón is expected to slide behind ace right-hander Gerrit Cole as the Yankees’ No. 2 starter in a rotation that also projects to feature Nestor Cortes, Luis Severino and Frankie Montas, with Domingo Germán and Clarke Schmidt now pushed back into depth options.” – Bryan Hoch, MLB.com
If we’re being realistic, the ace title in the rotation is a contest between Rodon and Cortes, with Cole slotting third.
Rsox
If we’re being realistic, between Severino’s injury history, Rondon’s injury history, and Montas’ balky shoulder German probably still makes between 18-25 starts next season
Poster formerly known as . . .
I don’t know about this Rondon guy, but Rodon has missed only 19 days to injury since the 2021 season, so your ill-wishes seem inflated to me.
PinstripedPride
Cole third?! LOL
Poster formerly known as . . .
Since the crackdown on sticky stuff in mid-June 2021, Cole ranks 36th in ERA and 30th in FIP and fWAR among 58 qualified starters, PP.
I wish it weren’t so, but he’s not what he was with the Spider Tack in Houston.
Dr2022
Cole definitely not worth the contract he was given pink. If he used his opt out, I would not be disappointed. With that being said, I certainly hope he could turn it around since he’s on the Yankees now.
And by the way, I never thought the Yankees would actually sign Rodon. I thought it was just the usual talk. But they actually did it ,so I am pleased. But they need to upgrade the offense if they want to truly compete with the Astros, because right now they are still inferior to them. A left fielder is definitely needed, third base needs to be improved, perhaps with DJ, and Donaldson traded somehow, and Peraza needs to be installed at shortstop and I KF can be on the bench or traded. That would improve the offense right there.
The_M4N
Hal is now Shakira? Crazy off season.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I didn’t mean for my comment below to post as a reply to you, mrmackey, but a Duran Duran reference is always welcome.
I guess I hit the wrong button.
A mistaken reflex.
Veejh
What was the MLBTR prediction?
CarverAndrews
His ability is top notch; a potential ace…very dominant when he is on, It is the most important ability that is very worrisome, of course. Availability. This guy does not even come close to having the health history and projections that make it a good risk.
However, that is the price in this market, and they paid it – hats off to the poor, beleaguered Mr. Cashman for spending like a Yankee again. My favorite deal of the aces by far is Verlander for two years, as he has the best chance to be healthy and still quite dominant for that entire contract, despite his age. I would have loved that deal for the Phils.
deGrom and Rodon deals? Scary as heck. Great, and I mean really top shelf pitchers with deGrom being the best of the lot. But deal wise, they are crazy deals.
Poster formerly known as . . .
The Rangers gave deGrom $185M and 5 years, and he’s 4-1/2 years older and hasn’t been healthy since 2019. Rodon’s injury risk is concerning, but I’ll take this contract over the Rangers’ deal all day long.
StreakingBlue
The money part is decent when compared to other contracts given out this offseason. However, the six years makes me want to hurl. Too much of a risk for a contract of that length.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Personally, I wouldn’t have given him six years, but it ain’t my money. Pitchers pose the greatest health risk of all players on the roster, so any long-term contract to a pitcher is risky.
RDR
This now frees the Yankees to trade top prospects, if they wish, for a left fielder. Until now, they needed to wait to see if they would need prospects for a starter. I’ll be curious if they now try to sign Benintendi, or if they go the trade route. My gut tells me the latter. As unlikely as prying Reynolds away from the Bucs has seemed, I wouldn’t be shocked if they offered the farm (including maybe even Peraza) to try to get him.
avenger65
Re-sign Benitendi. Like judge and Rizzo, not additions.
Sherm
They will definitely try to improve LF via trade. Reynolds should be their first choice. Young switch hitter, team controlled until 2026. Already requested a trade…Pirates know they need to trade him eventually. Yankees should offer German, Peraza, and a couple prospects (not named Volpe or Dominguez). Throw in IKF or Oswaldo. They will be looking to improve via trade the rest of the offseason, and this would be a huge upgrade. No Benintendi. He reminds me of Ellsbury. Ex Red Sox outfielder…big season in year before free agency…injury prone, etc etc. Get it done Cashman.
luclusciano
Move Volpe, not Peraza
JackStrawb
@RDR No one should ever, ever trade top prospects for a LFer.
Berkner
“All I need is one dumb owner”
-Scott Boras
DogDays2
“All I needed was that one more premier arm, that was the difference”
-About 35 World Series winning managers
Gmen777
The man is gonna spend half the time IL. When he isn’t though he’s gonna be a monster
YourDreamGM
Other teams take note. This is what a real franchise does to win a championship. I think this is one of the best contracts this year. DeGrom pitching 30 25 games concerns me. I like Verlander but 43 million a year. I’d rather pay twice as much and get a elite arm vs getting a 3.50 to 4.50 era guy. Plus 2 or 3 extra years. A plus signing.
EasternLeagueVeteran
I hope the Yankees get their money’s worth. This could be the Robinson Cano albatross deal they avoided before. Jacob deGrom can be as overpowering a pitcher as Rodon when healthy, but both of them have been on the sidelines almost as much as on the mound over the last five years of their careers. And now both are looking at getting paid in full for the next five-six years, and holding that salary toward the luxury tax of their respective teams for half a decade or more.
JackStrawb
Except Cano’s deal wasn’t remotely an albatross. He put up 23.5 rWAR for $108m in salary before he was dealt, far, far outpacing the typical $ per WAR on FA signings or extensions for players reaching FA.
Cano could have put 0 wins per season over the remaining five years and the M’s would have at least broken even, As it was they dumped him halfway through onto that most foolish of teams, the NYMets.
PinstripedPride
Fangraphs now has the Yankees rotation as the best in baseball on paper, with the Mets in second place.
StreakingBlue
Fangraphs is also saying that the Yankees are the same as every year. Hate to burst your bubble Yankee fans, but hype doesn’t win you championships.
slider32
No, they picked them for 3rd last year!
SupremeZeus
Even Ray Charles knew the Yankees had to sign Rodon to have any chance of competing w/ the stros.
Jean Matrac
This contract may not be pretty at the end, but everybody, including the Yankees know this. That’s the cost of doing business, and the Yanks did well with this deal.
Maclunkey
The real loser here is Carlos’ wonderfully thick beard.
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They are gonna give him the Nestor special!
JackStrawb
His weak chin will cost the Yankees their WS shot.
stroh
Good signing. An overpay and injury concerns but a talented pitcher.
BlueJ’sAllDay
Wow that was the one move left I was hoping wasn’t going to happen as a Jays fan. The Yankees rotation is sick. Easily one of the best I’ve ever seen. Reminds me of rotations going back to 90’s braves teams with potential aces throughout. I wish the Jays would have bucked up the cash and gotten Rodón and the Yankees could have gotten Bassit. Here’s to hoping your offense and defense sucks this year! Lol
gfan
You will like him Yanks unless his velocity drops with his beard.
Congratulations!
mgomrjsurf
Other then Bottomline no breaking In MLB Tonight,
Mikenmn
The Yankees are paying the economic price of the Donaldson deal. Hicks was just a bad bet. Donaldson cost way too much
davemlaw
Rodon=Ellsbury (if he were a pitcher)
but you get the gist.
Yanks2
Rodon has a higher ceiling
GoogleMe
higher ceiling than MVP?
Brew’88
By comparison I was just offered 28 years $12.50 as a mlbtr participant but illlikely retire by year 25
slogar1
So glad the Giants didn’t sign him. Too much money for too long a time. They didn’t forget this guy is injury prone and wears down. He should have stayed with the organization that took care of him.
YourDreamGM
Agree. Who wants to see that boring Giants lineup in the post season. I want to see superstars. Not trash can boy.
Yankee Clipper
I don’t know though. Taijuan Walker signed for 4/$72MM. 6/$172 isn’t that bad when you look at the difference, imho. At least viewing it from a Yankees rotation-needs perspective.
10centBeerNight
The guy NYY needed to sign to lock in rotation. Can’t assume Cortes won’t regress.
baseballpun
Not too bad, considering all the 7/200 talk.
alwaysgo4two
I doubt that he’ll even match Taillons numbers from last year. Typical Yankees. Signing a player to a hugh contract off of his best year never to be attained again.
DogDays2
Based on what? Your Yankee hatred?
alwaysgo4two
Me? So my opinion is hate? Why to Yankees fanatics think whenever another teams fan has an opinion and doesn’t worship at the pinstripe alter, it’s hate?
DogDays2
Well then whats the reason….since you threw out your hot take?
rocky7
Because, aHole…did he criticize the other ridiculous signings this winter or is he just fixated on Yankee hating….has nothing to do with worshipping at an alter….he probably would have been the first to criticise why they didn’t sign Rodon…… .its just baseball idiot….
PinstripedPride
You very clearly gave a hot take that wasn’t based on fact, and you’re definitely not a Yankees fan, so it’s easy to make that assumption.
Honestly, look at Taillon’s numbers the past two seasons and then compare to Rodon’s. Taillon is a solid guy and I certainly liked him, but he’s no Rodon.
DogDays2
Rocky, are you talking to me? I don’t understand your point.
Hotstovemelts
Hahaha wow you get triggered much?
King Floch
Good luck with Rodon’s porcelain left arm, Yanks!
DogDays2
I am concerned with the added weight of rings on his fingers….
ChaseUtleyYouAreTheMan
Good signing, but Astros are still better on paper.
VirginiaGiant
He’ll be on the DL by June
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Just an observation: 6 < 7 and 162 < 200
Maybe a reality check made Rodon accept?
JockStrap
I personally think this will work out. We are so focused on hos past vs what he has proven the last few seasons.
James Midway
Holy overpay Batman.
DogDays2
You know the Yankees must be doing something right when all the haters here are now desperately praying for injuries….
flamingbagofpoop
Who needs to pray for injuries with this team? They’ll come on their own.
Fg-3
I love how people keep saying judge is too long.. Stanton too long Cole too long. rodon too long. Actually we have a solid core locked up for the next 6 years. None of you pay the salaries.. lol we have young talent coming up.. what part of this is the Yankees don’t you understand ?? This is the Yankee way! We left 2 40 something pitchers off the table. If we signed Max and Verlander all would say that’s stupid to pay for 2 old guys.
We locked up one of the best position players in the game. Not to mention a class act. A future captain. What else do you want the yanks to do. Ohtani is not coming to New York. And his 400 million can stay on west coast for all I care.
Jonthunder
Wrong Carlos, BRIAN!
MM.MM
As he’s exiting the mound in NY, I can already hear the BOO BIRDS in October of 2023!!!
Poster formerly known as . . .
You can hear sounds from the future? That’s amazing! Does the C.I.A. know about this?
MM.MM
You’re right..who’s to say they’ll even make it to October 2023! ;p
Yankee Clipper
Actually, fans tend to love, and I mean LOVE (like borderline inappropriate) guys that openly claim they want to wear pinstripes and then come to NY. There have been a few that have and been booed, ie, Gallo, IKF when he boots baseballs, Cole when he blew up on the mound….. but when Rodon throws a good game in the postseason and gets pumped and YS is on its feet for him, it’ll be a dream come true.
DogDays2
Fans can have their opinion. But actual players have said that when things are going well, there is no place like it. Just perform, and everything will be alright.
slider32
There are a wide variety of types of fans, but Northeast fans tend to be more edgy. Midwest fans Cards and Cubs have rep for being more supportive of players.
kam3hameha
I like this move for the Yankees. I kind of figured they’d stand pat after re-signing Judge, but they realized there was a need and they got their man. They’re having a big offseason and are going to be scary next year, especially if they can play the way they did in the first half of 2022 for an entire year.
Poster formerly known as . . .
“Rodón will finish with the second-largest guarantee among free agent pitchers, narrowly behind the five-year, $185MM pact Jacob deGrom inked with the Rangers.”
I dunno. The difference of $23 million less, and that coming with an extra year, doesn’t really seem like a narrow difference to me.
Yankee Clipper
I wish I could call that a slight difference.
My Bank: Good Morning Mr. Clipper, there’s a slight variation in your account today.
Me: Oh, how much?
Bank: $23MM
Me: (Body hits floor).
slider32
That’s why I watch baseball without looking at the salary of a player, otherwise they will never meet your expectations. The minimum is 700 thousand, not bad pay for a 23 year old.
Baseball Expert
John Mozeliak offered him more years. 10. and the Cardinals tradition. But 16.2 million wasnt enough. At least he tried. 2nd bidder, 3rd wild card. The Cardinals tradition.
mattyvince
hAl Is So ChEap
DUDDUS
Damnit. Now I can’t make fun of them anymore>.>
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
So deGrom gets 1 fewer year and just 10 million Aav less. Here is a controversial post: deGrom >>>> Rodon Why? ERA, K/BB ratio, hits per 9, health (3 200 ip seasons), and this Mets narrative of “oh, he’s not healthy” really just applies to 2 seasons. Just throw 2 or 3 mph slower before 2 strikes and in key games. The one thing nobody can change my mind on is deGrom is much more durable than Rodon. 178 is a career high in IP for Rodón and this was one of the few full seasons he has had. There is way too much hate for spending $. Obviously, 27 million AAV is better than 35, but if years are the point of contention for deGrom, this is just ludicrous. Either way, both pitchers have mainly 2 pitches. I wonder how they are so good. At least Yankees fans don’t have to deal with NY media launching a full-blown assault on Rodon they way thr Rangers did… before signing a much older guy at a higher AAV.
Poster formerly known as . . .
“The one thing nobody can change my mind on is deGrom is much more durable than Rodon.”
I hope Jacob stays healthy, but in the last two years he’s pitched 156.1 regular-season innings to Rodon’s 310.2 innings. Over the course of their entire careers, Jacob has thrown much more, but he’s 4-1/2 years older and has been less healthy lately.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Also, since his debut Jacob ranks 12th in innings pitched, 11th in fastball usage, and third in fastball velocity. That’s a lot of wear on his arm.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
I like the 20 million vesting option, though for deGrom. Rodon doesn’t have one. I just don’t get how Kerahaw gets ripped by East coast media for durability and Rodon hardly has that factor into comments. I mean you hear about it, but it’s not like every other paragraph. I’m hoping Rodon can perform well, and Rodon’s deal >>>> Cole’s deal, but this site tends to overpredict AVV and somehow lowballed this one.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Others may downplay Rodon’s injury history, but I’m on record as opposing more than three years to him (I think I said that yesterday on this forum) — but Cashman never listens to me.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Well, this is not too bad or too good. This is much better than Walker/Martin Perez/some reliever deals. It would be fun to be a Yankees’ fan, though. Maybe they even sign Swanson or trade for an outfielder along with Stanton and Judge. Falefa must be terrible to watch. I would understand the urge to remove a defense-only guy. Overall, though they have good production from 1st, 2md, 3rd, and 2 outfield spots and a great rotation. They may be the best in the AL.
Yankee Clipper
Ranger: I certainly see your point, but to add to Fink’s retort, I’d also say that DeGrom, when healthy, is arguably the best pitcher in baseball. Rodon is excellent when healthy, elite even, but not the best pitcher in baseball.
That said, perhaps it’s because you’re not on the east coast, but I have often seen the debates citing Rodon’s health in a number of social media platforms. I believe it’s not nearly addressed as much as DeGrom’s *only* because Rodon has had two recent healthy seasons in a row, as Fink also said.
Trust me, if he goes down with any type of arm injury next year, it’ll be like Mogadishu during Blackhawk Down.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Oh yes. The NY media and the fans booing Judge… quite an unforgiving fanbase (although I don’t blame them, considering ticket prices)
Poster formerly known as . . .
I really had no problem with IKF through most of the season. His high-contact skills were a good complement to a lineup that was high in strikeouts the previous year. But he kind of fell apart in the postseason.
DogDays2
“The fans booing Judge” as if he was booed out of the stadium. It was a smattering, let’s not over embellish to fit a narrative.
Yankee Clipper
Me either, for what he *should’ve been.* He is a utility guy that performed exactly as expected on offense. The Yankees tried to cut the corner and put a natural 3B on F/T SS and it failed him. The lashing out was at him by the fanbase, but as we discussed on the boards at one point, it’s really the Yankees fault, not IKF’s.
I would love him to stay as UTL IF, but with Cabrera (unless traded) I think IKF may be traded.
DogDays2
I completely agree, it’s totally managements fault. They tried to sell everyone that IKF was some elite defender in both spots but in reality….
Offensively, he’s a decent contact hitter that wouldn’t have been ridiculed as much if the rest of lineup ( Judge aside) would have been more productive.
slider32
Normally you are right, but this year was an outlier, most free agents are getting more than predicted.
soxshortstop
Chaim was so close 6 year – $90 M
Poster formerly known as . . .
Best laugh of the day. Thank you, friend.
Giant1962
First start of 2023 will be against Giants in opening series in NY.
ponytail01
Congrats Carlos. I’m glad you got your payday. I’ve been a fan since the day you were drafted.
yes
Keep ******* that chicken.
Viveleempireevil
Boom. Like that. The Evil Empire strikes again.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I watched at least 25 of Rodon’s starts last season. He hit 99 at times and was filthy most of the time.
That said I can’t stand the dude. He’s a clubhouse canker sore. He routinely lowered and shook his head when players made errors behind him. He had 2 violent outbursts in the dugout, one causing a minor injury to Thairo Estrada. He inexplicably left the team the last week of the season. I’m sure most GM’s were well aware of all that (not to mention his injury history). I think all those issues cost him 50mil, I really do. Hopefully Booney will have a little chit chat with him and let him know there is zero tolerence for that kind of behavior.
All that said, the dude is a terrifically gifted pitcher and I hope he does well.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I’ll be honest, Wilmer — as a Yankee fan that concerns me. I’d forgotten about the kicked bat episode that injured Thairo.
Some people downplay the importance of clubhouse chemistry, but I’m not one of them.
On the other hand, if Judge is made captain and plays enforcer, he’s a lot bigger than Carlos.
PinstripedPride
The Yankees are reportedly attracted to his bulldog mentality on the mound. They need some extra fire in the belly. That being said, Judge and Stanton can definitely handle any riff raff that might start. Donaldson has been behaving himself pretty well even if he looks visibly uncomfortable at times
flamingbagofpoop
I’d pay to watch that fight
Poster formerly known as . . .
I can picture Stanton and Judge flanking him and looking at him disapprovingly. There’d probably be no fight.
slider32
Fight”n A’s in the 70’s had a lot of fighters, Bill North/ Reggie Jacskson, and then Reggie/ Billy Martin Yanks.
JackStrawb
Most clubhouses are close to the same, but one bad dude can cause real problems. I doubt it’s possible to build good chemistry, though—you have a lot better shot at avoiding inviting bad chemistry.
Dr2022
Boonie is no enforcer, he will pat him on the back and hold his jockstrap for him.
YourDreamGM
Wilmer with a great post. I never heard about any of those things.
Yankee Clipper
I hadn’t heard about any of this stuff and I watched a ton of games last year, including some Giants games.
Thanks for the post Wilmer. That’s pretty enlightening. I sure hope that kind of piss poor attitude doesn’t rear its ugly head on the team because he has the no trade clause. They do a pretty good job of keeping guys in line though. Passion is good (Paul O’Neill), but you can’t hurt other players.
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Only shenanigans I approve of Clip is Gardner demolishing the dugout roof with his bat! That was an absolute all timer hahaha
whyhayzee
Could Stanton stop admiring himself in the mirror long enough to do anything at all productive in a scrum? I mean, at least Judge would try to maintain the peace.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Donaldson is a mirror guy.
slider32
Sweet Lou and Billy Martin come to mind!
chicagofan1978
Loved him on the Sox big Yankees are screwed
NoNeckWilliams
Rodon is extremely injury prone and he’s never pitched well in the clutch.
… Yankee money
DogDays2
Must be a different Rodon than I’m familiar with …
Poster formerly known as . . .
Never pitched well in the clutch?
That’s interesting, because his career splits and this year’s splits say he performed best in high-leverage situations.
NicoHoerndawg
It’s gonna be funny when he’s injured more often than pitching.
Poster formerly known as . . .
You mean funny like a clown?
NicoHoerndawg
Lol yes
Sox68
I am happy for Carlos for securing this deal after watching him battle through inconsistency and then injuries for 7 years with the White Sox, he is a fighter and his hard work has been rewarded. If I was a billionaire owner, would I have signed him to this deal? Heck no, this contract is going to make the Chris Sale/Red Sox signing look like a bargain
DogDays2
How could any signing make that look like a bargain?
That doesn’t even make sense.
YourDreamGM
Carlos is in obvious need of tj surgery! Why haven’t I heard about this?
rickoppelt
Are the Yankees delirious? He might pitch 2 1/2 seasons combined. Wow. Good. One less team to worry about my mariners competing against.
Viveleempireevil
First time the terms Mariners and competing have been used here…ever.
DogDays2
Those scary Mariners.
YourDreamGM
100% agree. Yankees will win the division so your Mariners will not be competing with them for that possible wild card berth.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Wondering if someone could do me a favor and explain FIP to me like I’m a second grader. Okay from what I can tell it’s a pitcher’s ERA if backed by a league-average defense??? OK but then I hear it is also a 3-outcome stat, because it overvalues BB and HR given up by pitcher?
YourDreamGM
I don’t pay attention to it with modern data like statcast available. But fip has nothing to do with defense at all. It only takes into account what the pitcher does that is in their control. I think newer fip models use some advance metrics like grounds balls and such.
miami wins b4 the mets do
Anyone think that next year the Red Sox lose Devers based on the way they treated XB and give the Yanks a chance at him? They will need a third baseman. Judge had conversation with Hal making sure that the Yanks were going to improve the team so they weren’t just going to make it to the playoffs but make and hopefully win a WS or three.
I also think they should extend Severino now as he will prove to be more than a fourth or fifth starter this year another away from his surgery.
Poster formerly known as . . .
There’s talk that he might be traded this year because his reps and Boston’s front office are said to be far apart in negotiations.
Yankee Clipper
I could definitely see a trade if/when extension talks fail. Bloom’s goal is to rebuild the farms and that’s his last big piece with which to do it.
That said, I do not see Devers coming to the Yankees. I think his brother was with the Yankees at one point perhaps. Anyway, Bloom would get crucified and Yankees would need to dump their farm for him, which is something Cashman has been unwilling to do. Plus, Devers has not been consistently good at 3B defensively, although he was improved in ‘22.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Yeah, I see the questionable defense as the probable deal-breaker. But that bat in the lineup would be something.
GoGreen
Seems like a steal of a deal.
flamingbagofpoop
Sure, if you ignore all of his injuries.
skip55
seven years at $189 isn’t well short of 7 and $200
itsmeheyhii
But 6/162 is.
leftcoaster
That’s going to be a big mistake.
MPrck
N.Y. needed him, and he should help stabilize Cole. Detroit worked Cole over pretty good one game last year, and they were barely hitting at the time. Both contracts expire together, unless miracle of miracles, Cole opts out. With Scherzer an Verlander the gold standard, it’s a pretty nice pair in the Bronx.
OilCanLloyd
This signing had to happen. He was the only player left on the board that moves the needle for the Yankees from last year. They will still compete for AL East title, but the back of the bull pen don’t scare anyone as it did in recent years.
Good signing Yanks!
BSHH
Cashman delivered: The MVP and Rizzo stay plus the rotation gets even upgraded. Rodon took even a little less than I expected.
Gruß,
BSHH
PhiladelphiaCollins
Ohtani should have won MVP, I don’t see what Judge did that was so great. Seriously he is tall, that’s pretty much it.
Viveleempireevil
I’m guessing you don’t actually watch many games then, do you? He’s the best player in the sport. That’s what he does.
jhomeslice
@PC I can’t tell if you are trying to be funny or are an idiot. In 2022 he set the single season home run record for any player not on roids, plus highest OPS in MLB. And you are right, he is tall!
ArianaGrandSlam
Ok, that’s a load-off. Now they can focus on how to get rid of Hicks!!
sergefunction
Scott Boras wins the off-season.
Again.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I know it’s an upgrade over Taillon, but he’s also still just basically replacing Taillon’s spot in the rotation. So what has this really done for the Yankees?
I feel like this is only a marginal improvement and despite keeping Judge and adding Rodon, are the Yankees better off next season yet?
Poster formerly known as . . .
They replaced a pitcher with 1.3 bWAR and 2.3 fWAR with a pitcher with 5.4 bWAR and 6.2 fWAR. The improvement is more than marginal.
What you’re asking, basically, is like asking if it would make any difference to replace Jordan Montgomery with Sandy Alcantara.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Another thing, TTO, is that he’s left-handed, and Nestor Cortes is the only other southpaw in the rotation. It’s helpful to neutralize left-handed batters with the short porch in Yankee Stadium. I like Taillon and think he’s a very good pitcher who’s likely to get better, but he’s right-handed.
This is how Rodon ranks among southpaw starters who’ve pitched at least 200 innings over the past two seasons:
10.5 bWAR (1st)
11.1 fWAR (1st)
2.67 ERA (3rd)
156 ERA+ (2nd)
0.998 WHIP (4th)
2.42 FIP (1st)
4.80 K/BB (2nd)
12.2 K/9 (1st)
33.9% K-rate (1st)
.567 OPS allowed (1st)
.196 BAA (1st)
foxsports.com/stories/mlb/in-carlos-rodon-the-yank…
The_M4N
Are you serious? A marginal improvement? First of all, this is all predicated on a very big “IF” Rodón can stay healthy. But, you call a guy with a 10+WAR over the last two seasons a marginal improvement over a guy with a 3.5WAR over the same period of time? A guy with a 157ERA+ marginally better than a guy with a 100ERA+. Again, are you serious? Okay, So Taillon pitched 11 more innings during that time; he also started six more games. No knock on Taillon he has turned himself into a reliable #3 in most rotations. But Rodón is a #1 in a lot of rotations, and probably a solid #2 in every rotation not the Mets.
Rishi
Now they just need a lineup. Great rotation potentially. Always need more relief arms too. I like Benintendi but is he really enough to finish off this offense? He counteracts the swing and miss but they are likely not getting that Matt Carpenter production this year (tho they should resign him)
Yanks2
Benintendi is overrated. People act like he’s Harrison Bader
Rishi
Honestly had forgotten about Bader trade. Gave too many at bats to Josh Donaldson (although war says he was good). Stanton needs to hit. No reason he shouldn’t be hitting 40hr in that park. Playing in MIA and playing on Yankees is far different.
The_M4N
Wait, what? How do you figure?
Rishi
If you’re asking how do I figure it is different playing for the perennial last place, empty stadium Marlins and being the most loved player on the team (for the fans they have) to being a massive contract new York Yankee with people booing you and microphones in your face after every game then I don’t see how you don’t already acknowledge that. He was surely expected to be hitting at least 40 HR. Certainly not hitting 212 or whatever he hit. Yes, he walks. But he’s supposed to be the beast in the middle of the lineup
Rishi
If you’re asking me about Donaldson I would say their lineup had too many players that were easy to strike out. At least it seemed that way watching them.
The_M4N
@Rishi, my apologies. It was directed at Yanks2’s comment.
Rishi
It’s the website. They need to put the posts in the right place. Unless you did it on accident.
The_M4N
@Rishi, it’s the website.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Naturally, I’m excited to see Rodon pitch for the Yankees, and his first outing in Yankee Stadium should be must-see viewing when he faces Correa on his old team.
But letting Cashman negotiate with Scott Boras is a bit like letting your 15-year-old little brother play poker with a neighborhood card shark.
whyhayzee
My 15 year old brother cleaned him out and the card shark had to sell his house. But yes on the analogy. This just on, I hate the Yankees.
sliderwithcheeze
Good to see him take less money to avoid St Louis
msqboxer
Rodon when he was injured with the CWS did everything right and I’m sure Boras and his agency had a lot to do with it. He took his time to come back and over that time he changed some of his mechanics. CWS didn’t want to QO him because they were a little pissed off because he didn’t want to pitch when he was cleared and he also shut himself down. It appears that he is fully healthy and will be a great 1-2 push with Cole.
Cooperdooper7
Can’t wait for the Late July stats that shows Rodon’s Velocity dipping 4 to 5 MPH.
Over under on TJ Surgery for Rodon is 2 to 3 years…. which is actually better odds than DeGrom.
With that said I commend the Yankees for Trying as well as not going with the stupid 10 + year contracts that are being spewed out by desperate teams.
rocky7
so dipping 4-5 MPH would put him at about 95 MPH…..we’ll take that…..exactly what dumpster dive are the Sox going after next?
Hotstovemelts
I love the hate that gets drooled out after the Yankees make a big signing! It just shows how sad some people really are in their pathetic existence. Same for SD and the hate they have received when really they’re just doing what they can to field the best ball club they can. I still hope the Yanks sign AB to play LF. And I’ll enjoy the hate that will follow if they do lol.
dsett75
I actually figured he’d get more
josephf
I’m surprised it only took a 6 year deal to land him. If at only six years why did the Giants pass? Makes you think…
Hotstovemelts
He didn’t want to sign with the Giants… why would anyone want to play for that organization at this point?
MadSkillsUniversity
I love Carlos and watched him his entire Pro career, but the last time he started 25+ games was in 15 and 16, and that’s when he injuries started, leading to him only starting in 11 games in 19 and 20. Now in 21 and 22, he pitched 55 innings. Wow! his arm\shoulder will not hold up for 6 years, He is another Chris Sale IMHO. With that said, I hope he and Abreu get their rings for whomever they play for. They deserve it. Carlos has worked hard through his injuries and deserved every penny, but not the years. Agents like Boris and owners are causing ticket prices to soar, which is not sustainable. There has to be a salary cap in baseball by 2035 or something. More than half of the teams don’t have a chance now-a-days – no matter how good their farm systems have grown to become.
acoss13
Congratulations Yankees fans you got a good one. Watched him with the White Sox, dude is competitive and has electric stuff, he’s going to make your rotation so much better.
vaderzim
It’s nice to see teams follow through with their reported signings.
Shrutefarm
Patrick Corbin 2.0?
abc123baseball
Oh great. Now the Giants lose Rodon too. One day and two great players *poof* gone. That’s rough!
whyhayzee
With the Yankees dubious medical staff, including the illustrious Dr. Boonedoggle, who knows what kind of shape this guy’s body is in for the next six years? Of course, if the Yankees hadn’t made it official, he would have signed five minutes later with the Mets.
I guess it’s a move that the Cash Man had to make, since Foreign Substance Man isn’t what was advertised. But it does make you wonder what an obese Rodent is bringing to the mound. I’m sure he won’t get overused or anything like that. And of course, the Nasty Belly, which a whopping 44 starts under his rather large belt, is sure to replicate his success.
I guess you can only be a southpaw starter on the Yankees if you’re built like Sid Fernandez. He had a pretty good career, but only threw about 160 innings after the age of 31. Hopefully, that fate won’t be what’s in store for the Fat Boys.
MurderersRow27
This sounds like a whole bunch of salt and whining. Stop crying like a baby.. you couldn’t sound more like a clown with this rambling mess of words you just threw up…
whyhayzee
Thank you, but some of the best clowns don’t speak. I’m not on that level, obviously.
MurderersRow27
Sometimes, it”s better to be a silent clown than a vocal one… this was one of those times.
whyhayzee
I like a man that is a man; a man that’s straight and fair.
A sort o’ man that will and can in all things do his share.
I like a man, a jolly man, the sort o’ man, “ye know,”
The chap that slaps your back and says,
“Mon Jock, before we go”:
Just a wee deoch an’ doris, just a wee drop, that’s all.
A wee deoch an’ doris afore ye gang awa’.
There’s a wee wifie waitin’ in a wee but an ben.
If ye can say, “It’s a braw, bricht moonlicht nicht,”
Then yer a’richt, ye ken.
Happy Holidays!
(We used to sing this song among others at family Christmas gatherings.)
Hotstovemelts
No Whyhayzee, you’re definitely on clown level! You are a sad, pathetic hateful little clown that can’t be anything but miserable about everything! I feel bad for anyone that has to deal with you in your personal life. Tool