Dec. 6, 12:35pm: The Padres offered Turner a guarantee of $342MM, tweets Jon Heyman of the New York Post.
11:51am: The Padres’ offer to Turner was not only higher than the offer he accepted from Philadelphia but would have made Turner the highest-paid infielder in baseball, topping Francisco Lindor’s $341MM deal with the Mets, reports ESPN’s Buster Olney. The exact length of the contract, potential deferrals, etc. aren’t known at this time, but it’s a nevertheless jarring follow-up revelation in the wake of the Phillies’ deal with Turner. Lindor’s contract is currently the third-largest guarantee in Major League history.
While Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported in the aftermath of the Padres’ failed bid that the team is no longer pursuing shortstops, Olney writes that the Padres have at least been in touch with Bogaerts, echoing a similar sentiment reported last night by Ken Rosenthal and Dennis Lin of The Athletic.
More broadly, Olney reports that the Padres are “very serious about trying to do all they can” to win the franchise’s first World Series, which raises the question as to whether San Diego might emerge as a legitimate entrant in the bidding for Aaron Judge, Carlos Rodon and other top remaining free agents.
Dec. 5: The Phillies made the biggest splash of the offseason to date, agreeing to terms on an 11-year deal with Trea Turner this afternoon. Once finalized, it’ll make the two-time All-Star the 10th player in MLB history to land a contract worth at least $300MM.
Massive as the contract was, it apparently wasn’t the highest offer the shortstop had on the table. Matt Gelb of the Athletic reports the Padres made an offer which topped the one Turner accepted from Philadelphia. Specifics of the proposal aren’t clear, but Gelb adds the gap was wide enough San Diego’s offer would’ve translated into more money even after adjusting for California’s higher state income tax rate than Pennsylvania’s.
In the months leading up to Turner’s free agency, there was a fair bit of speculation about whether geography would play a role in his decision. He’s a Florida native who went to college at North Carolina State. His wife Kristen is from New Jersey. Turner reportedly expressed a desire to remain on the East Coast when the Nationals traded him to the Dodgers at the 2021 deadline, and while he downplayed geographic preferences in free agency, there seems to have been some truth behind the rumblings he could prefer heading back across the country. Turner also rejoins longtime Washington teammate Bryce Harper and hitting coach Kevin Long in Philadelphia.
On the one hand, losing out on a star player even after making the highest offer has to be a tough blow for San Diego. Yet it also illustrates the possibility for the franchise to continue pushing chips in as they aggressively seek to augment one of the game’s more talented rosters. One could argue shortstop is more of a luxury buy for the Friars anyhow, with Fernando Tatis Jr., Ha-Seong Kim and Jake Cronenworth all on hand as middle infield options. Yet San Diego was willing to put forth one of the largest contracts in league history to try to add another star to the lineup.
San Diego has also been tied to Xander Bogaerts this offseason. That they were the high bidder on Turner doesn’t inherently mean they’ll top the market for Bogaerts instead, but it wouldn’t be a surprise if they pivot in that direction now that their primary target is off the board. The Padres have exceeded the luxury tax threshold in each of the past two seasons, and they’d have to do so again to add any of the star free agent shortstops. Roster Resource estimates their CBT ledger around $3MM below the base tax threshold of $233MM, and signing Turner for an average annual value around the $27.3MM he received would’ve pushed them into the second tier of penalization. That’d have involved a 50% tax on the first $20MM — an extra $10MM — and further taxes from that point forward, but it was apparently a bill owner Peter Seidler was content to foot for another star. How or if they reallocate that money, either in a pursuit of Bogaerts or in more directly addressing areas of need like first base and the corner outfield, remains to be seen.
As for the Phils, they now anticipate looking to the pitching market after adding to an already loaded position player core. Scott Lauber of the Philadelphia Inquirer tweets the middle of the rotation and back of the bullpen are target areas for the Phils, who now aren’t far off the base luxury tax tier themselves. President of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski told reporters this evening the club is looking for a setup-type reliever who could mix and match with Seranthony Domínguez, Connor Brogdon and José Alvarado at the end of games (via Alex Coffey of the Philadelphia Inquirer).
While the Phillies certainly aren’t taking their foot off the gas, Dombrowski downplayed the possibility of adding another player who’d rejected a qualifying offer. The Phils forfeited their second and fifth-highest picks in next year’s amateur draft plus $1MM in international signing bonus space for Turner, who’d turned down a QO with the Dodgers. They’d lose their third and sixth picks to sign another qualified free agent, and Dombrowski told Coffey and others the team doesn’t have “much appetite” for that kind of pick forfeiture.
88dodgers
Lol
Holy Cow!
Take that, AJ!
Holy Cow!
Trea: 342, 300, meh…
JackStrawb
Interesting. Apparently it’s possible to begin offering top FAs so much money that they go by their (wife’s) geographical preferences.
Who knew?
case
But who prefers Philadelphia when given a broad array of options?
User 1413108128
Has the most people fleeing by far. Even though California takes in the most money in the nation it is in debt that it will never get out of. Those states may be poor but they don’t spend what they can’t possibly afford on pipe dreams and lollipops. Just wait until those states and people you hate dam the water. It’s Curtains
Kennyb217
Those poor states aren’t in debt because they leech off states like California. One such shot state Mississippi gets $2.60 from the feds for every dollar the state pays in, meanwhile California gets 65 cents. 7 of the top states that leech the most are red states.
realisticnyyfan
Keep God out of California
Smacky
It’s amazing how hard actual facts are for people when they get in the way of their narrative. California (full disclosure I’m a resident) is so broke it has a $300b budget surplus. Texas’s actual state budget is $143.5b. Lol!
PKCasimir
California has a $300 billion budget and $90 billion surplus. But that’s about to change.
foxnews.com/us/california-faces-budget-deficit-nea…
PLINKO
What is God
Datashark
Smacky CA is indebt to public unions and teachers unions in the hundreds of billions alone
rheal cormiace
Keep hating the rest of the country while your car gets broken into weekly by people you pay to be homeless (or underhoused, as the orthodoxy says)
Bart Harley Jarvis
Someone referenced fox news, everyone drink (bleach)!
PLINKO
Yikes a fox news article, get off your knees and get that thing out of your mouth and go read something that isn’t as your god (trump aka tiny hands) may say “fake news from the child eating left”
Kennyb217
But if they do dam the water, hopefully leeching states like Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky and Alabama will be turned into lakes.
knolln
theres a lot of weird reasons people post on MLBTR. i’d rather hear about how she made 10k a week at home than hear anyone argue about states
Baez Caught me Sleeping
Yeah it’s one of the stranger message boards out there
rennick
10k a week?!?! Do you happen to have a link where I can get more information??? :p
Bart Harley Jarvis
Please don’t turn off the tap, Darth! I like a nice drink of water on occasion.
Codeeg
Ok sir I’m sure you paid for your house all cash too. Apparently you don’t understand how debt works.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Funny you should ask. Yes, our recent house purchase was all cash. I gotta tell you, not having a mortgage is liberating. You should give it a try.
disadvantage
@Darth – It’s been heavily speculated Trea preferred to play on the East Coast. Do you think that was overblown, and the economics of California was actually the dealbreaker for Trea’s decision? Or are you just using this as an opportunity to spout your anti-California rhetoric?
If it’s the latter, I suggest you take it elsewhere. This is a baseball website. There are plenty of outlets on Facebook or Reddit that will gleefully accept your contributions.
SportsFan0000
Turner is from N Carolina. His wife is s Jersey girl.
Trey Turner requested that the Nats trade him to an East Coast team.
The Nats received their best offer/players from the Dodgers.
Trey Turner is going home or close to it.
He has nothing against the West Coast.
Just wants to play closer to home and family.
ilikebaseball 2
You’re posting straight bull, you have nothing to back up that bull poop. What ever state you come from has the lowest IQ. At least I have the evidence of your post to back up my claim.
SportsFan0000
Leave your BS politics, biases & fake info that does not pass independent fact checking for the politics pages.
This is a baseball site.
FYI
.California Poised to Overtake Germany as World’s No. 4 Economy
(largest & richest economy).
“The Golden State has proven resilient, outperforming its US and global peers.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-10-24/california-poised-to-overtake-germany-as-world-s-no-4-economy
CA has one of the most advanced water conservation and water delivery systems in the entire World.
And, Federal & and treaties regulate the smaller portion of water that is shared with other States.
Leave your political axes to grind on other sites that discuss those issues.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Well said, Sports.
LongTimeFan1
@Darth Pug
No valid reason whatsoever to interject politics into what is a very interesting situation with Trea Turner’s decision to turn down a whole lot of money.
Not only did you interject politics, you also spewed lies. Shame on you,
case
Lol, he thinks he’s people.
Plugnplay
Wow! Each is there own but, not many would turn down a life in San Diego, and choose Philly. I get it, it’s a close to home, east coast family thing. They do make airplanes thou. 😉
Edp007
Life in Philly ? twitter.com/jasonfox29/status/1599954291938074624?…
Bart Harley Jarvis
Ed,
Please send this to Trea Turner and recommend he not purchase a home in North Philadelphia.
IamThatDude
Yea just got 300 million he gonna get a house in North Philly. I can’t stop laughing lol
Bart Harley Jarvis
Lived at 6th and Allegheny from launch until the age of 6.
Edp007
Heard Kensington hood was preferred destination lol
Bart Harley Jarvis
Actually, the area where Port Richmond, Fishtown, and Kensington (PortFishingTon) converge is a pretty up and coming area. There’s a great bar nearby, Memphis Taproom.
sfes
Hmm Edp….?
IamThatDude
I’m in south Philly love it
IamThatDude
Go head why not go walk through it see if ya make it to the end of the block. People not from Philly just don’t get it
IamThatDude
You sir are right
Samuel
Plugnplay;
My experience with San Diego is that it’s a bland place.
The temperature is more consistent than LA, so the winters don’t get as chilly or the summers as warm. Most of the nicer areas are incredibly expensive, and not really all that impressive. The influx of people moving there the past 30 years has made the freeways not much different than LA, DC, NYC.
My generation would refer to the area as “Plastic”.
There’s nothing wrong with going through a change of seasons each year.
Ryan W
Samuel, with all due respect, you’re spewing out BS. I live in SD, and I’ve visited all of those cities. Traffic is nothing like those cities, at least not to the massive scale. Different parts of town have different subcultures. Huge place for microbreweries. You’re about 45 minutes from snow and pine trees east, or a couple hours from buggying in the desert. And you can surf year round. Maybe it’s not your cup of tea, but it’s not the bland place you’ve described.
CarverAndrews
Two cents: SD is a terrific town…if I moved to the left coast that would be the spot for all of the reasons mentioned by others. LA is junk; SF crazy expensive and Portland / Seattle not as wonderful as folks think.
But if you understand places such as Philly…well, it is awesome. Grew up there and spent most of my life there…saw it become a terrific city. Moved down South for semi-retirement and frankly I think that I will head back north. Some of us are just city folk, and some of us just love all of what the Northeast has to offer. SD is really wonderful, but a bit sterile as compared to living in Philly. Very happy that Trea is an East Coaster as well, and that he married a girl from Flemington NJ.
SportsFan0000
Glad that some people prefer to live elsewhere
OR California would have 80-100M people.
San Diego is one of the most beautiful, cosmopolitan and highest
rated cities in the entire country to live in.
All the commentators @ the MLB convention in San Diego are always
gushing about how they are so lucky to be visiting San Diego
for the baseball Winter meetings etc..
BaseballisLife
That is why they have had the Winter Meetings in San Diego 3 of the last 9 years. 8 really since it wasn’t held during 2020.
They have also had the GM meetings their a couple times I think.
Its a close 2nd to where I live in Jupiter. Lol.
Smacky
California has a 13% state income tax for really big earners. The weather is still worth it though imo.
all in the suit that you wear
Maybe this $342M gets offered to Judge now.
Kewldood69
But I thought the Dodgers were the bad team that buys everyone?
Ryan W
Pretty sure their payroll was about $50m more than San Diego last year, including having this guy – who was not home grown
Don’s Ghost
You missed the point
Ryan W
I guess my point is dodgers fans seem to think that they don’t.
iverbure
The dodgers traded for Turner. The reason why the dodgers are a juggernaut is not the amount of money they spend. Other teams spend similar amounts and don’t win at nearly the same pace? I wonder what separates them?
Neon Cop
The Dodgers’ BEST players came from other teams, as per usual. Now why is that? & how are they a “juggernaut”? LOL. Nobody cares about regular season stuff.
libertyfighter
Actually no other Team has spent like the Dodgers for as long as they have.
Lanidrac
Even if you don’t count the regular season, a World Series Championship and 3 NL Pennants in the last 6 years is better than every other team not named the Astros.
SportsFan0000
The Dodgers also, consistently, have one the best farm systems in MLB.
They have consistently picked near the end of the draft and they consistently identify gems and future stars.
The Dodgers farm players have been consistently in the running for
MLB rookie of the year etc..
I am not a Dodgers fan, but those are the facts.
Neon Cop
“World Series championship”? LOL. Haven’t we moved past the idea that 2020 was legit? Come on man.
Neon Cop
Their best players all came from other teams.
Lanidrac
Haven’t we moved past these ridiculous claims? Despite the shortened schedule, it was still just as legit as any other Championship…except maybe the 2017 Astros.
Should the 1919 Reds, 1942 & 1944 Cardinals, 1943 Yankees, and 1945 Tigers also be discredited for taking advantage of unusual circumstances beyond their control?
Neon Cop
Any team that played in a significantly shortened season gets an asterisk, yes. Pretty obvious a 60-game season has zero legitimacy when compared with 162. It’s baffling that people think 2020 was anything more than a glorified spring training. Pretty sad.
Lanidrac
No, it has 100% legitimacy despite the shortened season, as it’s pretty obvious that the 60 games and the corresponding playoffs count just as much as any other season! There are no asterisks needed just as none have ever been used for the other shortened seasons or the ones heavily compromised by WWII. The only things from that season that aren’t really legitimate are the seasonal rate stats from that year.
It’s baffling that people think 2020 was anything less than a proper season despite the shortness of it. Pretty sad.
Neon Cop
Why would 37% of a season count just as much as 100%? You’ve gotta be trolling. Imagine having an NFL ”season” be 6 games, or NBA being 30. Absolutely stupid…
Why aren’t the stats legitimate from 2020? Oh yeah, because it was a fake season. Thanks for proving my point, dumbo.
puigpower
You just said regular season don’t matter. Make up your mind
Neon Cop
It matters in the context of whether a season length is legit, but you already knew this. Pointless post.
LongTimeFan1
Of course it was shortened season but still legit. It was 60-game regular season for everyone that was also sweated out by everyone starting in spring training #1. Players were always on standby waiting to play and staying in shape even at their homes.
In fact, players had to deal with far more hardships playing during pandemic and all the safety and testing rules. 2020 tested players and teams mentally and emotionally in a big way. The Dodgers earned that championship, the last team standing in a very trying March – October.
Neon Cop
Sorry, it’ll always be an asterisk. 60 games is not 162…
Bart Harley Jarvis
Nice MLB/WW1 and WW2 historical references, Lani!
Bart Harley Jarvis
What does this say about the other 29 teams that couldn’t win a World Series with such a supposed easy path? Mind.blown.
Neon Cop
One of the dumbest refrains out there. Nobody said it was “easy”…just that it was fake. Obviously…
Lanidrac
It counts, simply because that’s all that could be played through no fault of anyone, just like the other shortened sports seasons caused by the pandemic. If the NFL and NBA seasons had been shortened that much, they also would’ve counted just as much. Absolutely stupid that you could think otherwise.
Those stats are indeed legitimate, even towards seasonal rate records when they really shouldn’t be, and they especially count towards career totals and counting rate seasonal crowns. Thanks for being unable to comprehend the words “aren’t really” and “seasonal rate,” dumbo.
Lanidrac
The 1942-45 seasons were even more compromised than 2020, so you can’t put an asterisk on 2020 without doing the same for those seasons. Look, no asterisks in the ’40s…
Also, just not being 162 games is a stupid argument, since they didn’t play 162 in 1981, 1994, 1995, or any season before 1961.
Lanidrac
Sorry, that’s “counting stat seasonal crowns.”
Bart Harley Jarvis
Lani,
We’re in full agreement here; but okay, whatever gets you through the day.
Lanidrac
WWII, yes, but 1919 is referring to the Reds taking advantage of the White Sox throwing the World Series that year. It doesn’t count any less for the Reds despite basically winning by default.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Please refrain from calling me dumbest.
iverbure
Sportsfan000 top of the class. Congrats on understanding how to win in baseball.
Lanidrac
Bart, no one did. I only returned the insult to Neon Cop that he/she gave to me.
ElysianPark
They traded homegrown prospects for Turner. Also, the Dodgers have more homegrown players than SD does, and their farm system is in the top five. These are facts.
cencal
Does SD have ONE starting player in the field that they drafted?
ONE??
LA won a World Series with a 100% home grown rotation. When was the last time for that?
Rishi
It wouldn’t be a problem if other teams actually spent the money they have instead of pocketing it. The Phils team is certainly not home grown. But who can fault them for spending their money.
Edp007
Nice to see a guy not holding out for the big bucks
cookmeister 2
300 million helps
avenger65
He probably signed with the Phillies for the same reason Harper did. Both of their wives are from NJ and it’s an easier drive from Philadelphia than San Diego.
BStrowman
Turner is also an east coast guy. Some East Coast guys simply don’t dig the WC & vice versa.
. Teams up w/ his old friend from DC and has a shot at contention next year. (Oddly enough that statement could’ve been true for both teams)
Wife’s hometown is an hour away in Jersey.
Ball players seem to love Jersey women. Wheeler, Harper, and now Turner. Nice little leg up for the Phil’s there.
GASoxFan
Also, quality of life.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Oh, those “Wildwood Days”.
Gator Bait
He is from Florida bro, not exactly the east coast.
BPax
I love Snooki.
DTD/ATL1313
Pretty sure Florida borders the Atlantic, which just so happens to be in the east, and touches the entire coastline of the eastern US. But hey, that’s just geography so what do I know.
User 401527550
What coast do you think Florida is on?
Idosteroids
Have you been to Philly lately?…..what quality of life?
ElysianPark
Quality of life? Philly vs San Diego? Ha ha
vtadave
@gatorbait – Can you enlighten us here? Which coast is Florida on?
Sid Bream Speed Demon
He went to NC State and his wife is from Jersey, bro.
Jung Like My Daddy
Florida is clearly on the west coast, if you live in the UK
libertyfighter
Snookie is hot man! Ha ha
libertyfighter
Philly & Florida are pretty similar, lol.
Bart Harley Jarvis
New Jersey or the Isle of Jersey?
Bart Harley Jarvis
Ido,
You play nice.
GASoxFan
Quality of life commuting distance outside Philly is quite nice. Rural, hilly, quiet, low crime, relatively affordable cost of living. Gas costs more in PA than surrounding states due to taxes, but the rest isn’t bad.
Plus it’s a great place for hobbies between having carlisle, hunting/fishing, open spaces, lack of govt overreach micromanagement what you can buy.
Also has plenty of water you can use what you want and no impending doom of existing brown outs and wild fires while mandating a massive crush of new electric usage via elimination of small gas engines and no new gas cars.
Lower tax rates are just a bonus.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Agreed, I also have a massive crush on the new electric cars. They’re so quiet.
Bart Harley Jarvis
I heard it’s because Turner, like Harper, likes the Philadelphia ‘wooder’ better than the San Diego water.
Pads Fans
Have you been to San Diego? When it comes to quality of life it doesn’t get much better.
Pads Fans
He is from Florida, lives in North Carolina where he went to college, and his wife is from southern New Jersey. That is east coast.
Pads Fans
How many brown outs in San Diego?
Total tax burden is not lower in PA, because they have a flat rate state income tax with no exemptions or deductions and property taxes that average 1.58%. In California we have both exemptions and deductions and the higher your income, the less likely you are to pay the full tax. Plus our property tax is locked in at 1% of the value established at the time you buy or build, so the average is 0.73% of home value. Less than half of that in PA.
GASoxFan
With the electric mandates, assuredly, more will be coming.
As for the arguments about expenses, it’s undoubtedly higher.
You can buy 5 times the home in PA outside philly for less money than the same home in metro CA, or, specifically SD if you prefer.
So, if you pay .73% of 1,000,000 it’s 7300. If you pay 1.58% of 250,000 it’s roughly 3800. So nearly half the cost.
Prices of gas, about half in PA than CA. Same for other energy. Food prices? Same thing. Sales taxes, excise taxes, fees, smog crap, it goes on and on.
For people who like it? Great. But there’s a ton of diaspora fleeing CA and buying/moving to other states.
To each their own.
Bart Harley Jarvis
GASoxFan,
We moved from Philadelphia to Northern California about 6 years ago, but we never knew or haven’t yet found out about all of the terrible things going on here.
Thank you for the heads up with regard to smog crap, excise taxes, fees, and diaspora. You may have saved us from some serious harm. Eternal gratitude.
pinkerton
Fly Phillies fly
DarkSide830
lol
VegasSDfan
I can see the thinking as the Phillies were also really good.
.
VegasSD, yeah SD didn’t really need him anyway. Duck off a waters back.
jimmyz
On Trae’s end I’m sure he realized infield defense and a high BA/OBP hitter is a more meaningful upgrade to the Phil’s than the Padres though both teams are already really good and that gives him a better chance to win the World Series in Philly than San Diego. The full no trade clause helps a lot too
.
His Wife is from Jersey everyone. That explains it all right??
Deadguy
Cobra Kia? Change it back to old cubbies dude
.
Ripper, it’s time to move on from Chet Steadman! And it is OG Karate Kid not that new piss ant garabage teenie bopper show on Netflix. No Mercy!
vtadave
Hate to break it to you, but there were “teenie bopper” characters in the original Karate Kid movies. Love the new series.
.
Vtadave, come on man haha. I’m well aware. I don’t like the new show. It’s for a much younger crowd whereas a lot of grown individuals like the original Karate Kid. You gotta admit you really can’t compare the two. Glad you are a fan though. I’ve watched a lot of scenes on youtube…Thought it was cool Terry Silver was coming back. And I am not saying the show is made strictly for teens either haha. Heck I still watch shows I watched as a kid. And movies. Watching “The Sandlot” right now in fact.
.
I made a switch Ripper. That is it till 2023 though.
roob
Happy wife. Happy life.
Cincyfan85
Is he married to Snookie?
DonOsbourne
What are these teams doing? The contract Turner got from the Phillies is crazy enough but at least Philly had a need. How many SS’s do the Padres need? What is Tatis thinking right now?
SocoComfort
Tatis must be thinking they are moving him from SS or trading him
Kewldood69
No one wants a roid baby
SportsFan0000
He took a banned substance to heal from should injuries.
A lot of teams would trade for Tatis Jr in heartbeat.
All the years without that substance shows the guy is one of the best young talents in MLB.
GASoxFan
Tatis has a high AAV but it’s a heavily backloaded contract. It’s kind of a Stanton situation if the Pads wait too long to trade him, or, the full no trade kicks in. Probably need to win now and move him in a year or two, while leaving a decent core behind.
libertyfighter
$28m AAV for an elite player is very reasonable.
SportsFan0000
Tatis will be in CF or LF
88dodgers
Tatis was about to move to DH
SportsFan0000
He is too good on defense to put @ DH.
It will be INF or OF
yewed
He’s thinking that his team is willing to spend more money on a top FA.
HalosHeavenJJ
At a certain point you’re going to be super rich so you might as well live where you like.
San Diego is absolutely beautiful, the weather is perfect, and the sun setting into the Pacific is magical.
But family and proximity to home mean more.
drewskis86
Maybe padres leaking something to spook other teams?
Rsox
We’ve been hearing for months about Turner’s preference to go east and even though he said (as did many here) that it wasn’t true, he headed east for apparently less money than offered to stay west. Guess there was truth to it after all
towinagain
Love that the Pads did that. Sets a precedent for other free agents interested in San Diego. Beautiful city, aggressive ownership willing to do what it takes.
DonOsbourne
So do the Padres like Turner more than Soto? Or does “doing what it takes” include paying Machado, Tatis, Soto and Turner(hypothetically)? What happens if a couple things go wrong and it’s a repeat of “21? The Diamondbacks are going to finish within 10 games of the Pads but cost $200 million less. It’s a crazy plan.
jimmyz
More importantly what happens when Musgrove is the only top end pitcher they have left after Clevinger and Manaea are gone this offseason then Davish next winter and all the team’s money is tied up in the lineup?
DonOsbourne
Right, but they traded the farm for Soto, then offered huge money to Turner. So does that mean they regret the Soto deal already? Or does it mean they just plan to buy anyone and everyone cost be damned?
YourDreamGM
It’s not like Clevinger and Manaea were amazing for them and their production would be expensive to replace. Davish isn’t exactly cheap.
BaseballisLife
Clevinger and Manaea were top end pitchers? Those ERAs seemed more like #5 starters to me.
sacball
The day Clevinger and Manaea are considered top end pitching is the day baseball dies…
libertyfighter
Clevinger & Manaea are not top end pitchers, have you been paying attention?
Ryan W
No, they’re not. Not with anything close to their current roster
Padres2019ha
10 games back means missing the playoffs bruh. It’s the same thing as being 50 games back. First loser is the same as last loser
Deleted Userr
Even worse because last loser drafts higher.
GMoney2850
Hahahaha
L
Don’s Ghost
Padres want to be the Dodgers so bad lmao highest payroll only to miss the World Series
stymeedone
So “be [like] the Dodgers” means “highest payroll only to miss the World Series”? Why would anyone want to copy that?
Padres2019ha
Dodgers missed the NCLS so how you like them apples? At least we don’t have Trevor Bauer
Deleted Userr
Nor do the Dodgers.
ArianaGrandSlam
He doesn’t break much but l don’t know if he still wants to play when he’s 40, needless to say for one full season.
Plugnplay
Good miss by the Padres. I know there in win now mode, but the 2nd half of this deal is almost a lock to be terrible.
Let’s say his comp is the Great, “Ricky Henderson”. According to Ricky, he’s the greatest ever..lol.. Even he didn’t do much after 35.
YourDreamGM
Rickey still walked a ton and stole some bases. Probably more than Turner will do. Rickey was good even in his early 40s.
BaseballisLife
Rickey gets on.
SportsFan0000
Steal Ricky Steal!
brewsingblue82
My guess is it was both a combination of east coast preference and playing with Bryce again. I’m sure the teammate/hitting coach/division familiarity along with the east coast preference both combined helped to go along with the 300 mil. The article mentions that the padres offer was enough to offset the taxes, but it may not have added much more than that. After the offsetting of the taxes it could’ve been like 5-10 mil more that he’d of actually seen.
It is refreshing to see players occasionally taking less money to play where they actually want to play though. Unfortunately as a brewers fan though, I’ll likely never see someone be like “you know what, I’d rather play here for less” lol
MotownWings
Never know it could happen for the Brewers. 20 years ago Griffey took less to go to Cincy.
brewsingblue82
@motown I mean, as a Brewers fan I can dream hah. But like whenever we trade for someone, or are in on a few agent and we’re a “top runner”, I just assume it’s the usual of them wanting to keep everyone in the hunt to make sure they get the biggest offer they can.
BaseballisLife
The actual article in the Athletic didn’t mention taxes at all
It said the Padres offered more guaranteed money and that Turner would have been their 3rd $300 million contract.
I think we are going to find out more in the coming days about deferrals in Turners deal with the Phillies that lower the total value or that there are incentives that could bring it to $300 million with not all of that being guaranteed money.
Or we could find that he just preferred to play closer to home like he said. There has to be a logical reason he chose not to talk to the Dodgers at all about extending there and that one makes sense.
User 401527550
Or the fact that many people want nothing to do with California.
SportsFan0000
Many people hate NY and don’t want to live there either.
Lots of New Yorkers have moved to California and San Diego
and will not go back to New York.
Have the Yes Network pan the crowd next time the Yankees play in San Diego and look for all the NYC caps lmfao!
User 401527550
NYers are moving to Florida and not California. By all means many don’t see NY as any better.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yeah, but then you’re living in Florida with ‘Florida Man’. Marone!
Pads Fans
“About 20% of New Yorkers looking to move were planning to head to Florida, followed by California, and Texas.” marketwatch.com/story/no-more-new-york-people-are-…
brewsingblue82
I didn’t read the athletic article. But the one above does mention the offsetting of taxes.
mlbdodgerfan2015
I doubt that the Dodgers had much interest in re-signing Turner knowing what kind of contract he commanded. They knew fully well when they got him that it was a one and half year rental. They passed on Seager and Turner. They’re obviously very good players but less valuable when you have to shell out $300mm plus contracts.
Pads Fans
He didn’t give them a chance. He wouldn’t negotiate with the Dodgers at all.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Who really knows on these back stories. The Dodgers weren’t going to give Seager a $300mm plus contract and they certainly weren’t going to give Turner a $300mm plus contract. I think they knew this the very minute they considered trading for Turner that they likely would not re-sign him. Feelings certainly could have been mutual. L.A./Southern California is not for everyone. Front office always wants to paint the picture that they tried and were in it for him.
stymeedone
What a great guy! Settling for only $300,000,000 in order to keep the wife happy. Man of the Year material!
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
And, going forward, those California taxes aren’t going to go higher, right? Turner made the right choice.
mlbdodgerfan2015
There was a recent CA proposition that was shot down that would have added an additional 1.75% to income above $2mm. As if having the highest state income tax bracket of 13.3% is not high enough. It was also hidden behind proceeds going towards wildfire prevention and electric charging stations. Shocked that it didn’t pass. Lucky that educators and Newsom were against it, or else you would have seen another wave of rich CA leaving the state. There will be other attempts to raise taxes on the wealthy. If it were purely for financial reasons I can see why athletes avoid CA.
SportsFan0000
Read an article in Houston Chronicle comparing Taxes in Texas
(no state income tax)
versus taxes in California.
It showed that taxes are actually higher in Texas than in California.
That “no state income tax”
is more than made up for with higher property taxes, junk fees
and higher taxes in numerous other areas.
yahoo.com/video/everything-bigger-texas-including-…
So Buyer Beware” Read the fine print
mlbdodgerfan2015
@SportsFan0000 Context, context, context. These articles are so stupid. The state income tax differentials only matters for the wealthy and those are the ones moving out of CA to TX and other no state income tax states. If you barely pay any state income taxes because you’re too low on the bracket it doesn’t matter.
From your article.
“About the only Texans who fare better than Californians are the wealthy. The top 1% of earners in Texas — those making $617,900 or more annually — only pay 3.1% of their income in state and local taxes. That compares to a rate of 12.4% for top earners in California, who make $714,400 or more per year.”
User 401527550
Taxes aside. The cost of living in California is almost twice as any where else. Taxes in California just compound the insanity.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Not true, and not true.
Pads Fans
State income tax matters the least for the wealthy. We have great tax attorney’s and CPA’s that make sure we keep our money. And I am not talking about the guy that said he is a CPA from Bakersfield either.
Pads Fans
You may want to check that. Where is more expensive to live, NYC or San Diego?
Check Queens vs Poway or Alpine, the areas where most Padres ballplayers live in the San Diego area.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Fiction. And we also know great tax attorneys in great state of CA that will say something different, at least if you want to do it legally. The notion that the ultra wealthy are moving out of CA and other high state income tax states to states with no income taxes is very real. I know so many people who did that during the pandemic and many that considered but chose not to for non-financial reasons. Of course there are non-legal/questionable ways to keep you from paying taxes to CA.
baseballfan2801
How much did they offer
99socalfrc
AJ Preller is such a dolt. Why would you share this info? Just to let everyone know you’re making stupid offers to fill positions you’ve already got covered but got rejected. What a freaking idiot.
YourDreamGM
Keep the fanbase engaged. Always be in the news and on mind. We got a great team and are in on everyone. Get your tickets.
BaseballisLife
Seriously? If their owner wants to spend his money what could possibly be wrong with an infield of Machado at 3B, Tatis (or Kim) at SS, Turner at 2B, and Cronenworth at 1B? Great offense and defense at every position!
My wife would be doing cartwheels down the block if the Red Sox were willing to do something like that and she is well into her retirement years.
dvmin98
Who said Preller leaked the info? Perhaps, just perhaps, Turner’s camp leaked the info. Or some other person. Why would you think Preller did it?
dvmin98
Why are people getting on Preller? I don’t understand this. Padres finally have an owner that wants to win and is willing to spend money and a GM that is aggressive going after high profile players. I do recall 26 other teams not make it to the ALCS/NLCS last year. The ones that did spent money.
Yes, the Padres won’t have a good farm system for a while, but it takes time for those players to pan out. Padres have a solid core of players and want to win now. Go for it.
DId any of you guys that are complaining actually go to Petco Park last year and see how electric the games were? The place was sold out on Tuesdays. San Diego has the Padres. No more Chargers. Fans are hungry and we have a front office that knows it.
Stop complaining and enjoy the ride. Its fun as hell.
SportsFan0000
Actually, the thing that Preller and his Front Office team are best at
is finding great young talent.
The are already finding, drafting, signing great young talent to replenish their farm system.
Many of their top prospects are now @ Rookie ball and A ball
including highly rated SS Jackson Merrill.
Padres2019ha
Preller hate is thiccc. Damned if you do…
mlbdodgerfan2015
To appease the irrational fans who think that your team should be signing every elite free agent out there. It’s a game. Make the fans think that you’re in it for everyone. I’m sure there are some free agents that you’re legitimate in it for, but some where you were really not that close but you want stuff leaked as to how close you were or that you at least considered that player. Unless you actually know these agents and GMs it’s hard to exactly believe what is fiction or truth.
Edp007
Bryce making like LeBron used to , putting together his buddies , soon other NJ buddy trout will demand a trade to Philly
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Trouty likes SoCal weather too much to move!
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Then you haven’t seen him at an Eagles game bundled up in a wooly hat and parka on a frigid Monday night.
Stealing a line from “Frozen”, “The cold never bothered me, anyway.”
User 401527550
Trouts wife still teaches in Jersey. Their main residence is in Jersey. Trout is only in California for the $400 m contract.
.
Sure I have. He’s always been a huge Eagles fan. Have you seen him in his Newport Beach mansion overlooking the ocean? He looks pretty comfy there too. He’s never going to Philly stop drooling!
Pads Fans
Mike Trout lives in Newport Beach. My best friend lives a few houses away on Ridgeline Dr. Jessica has not lived in New Jersey for years.
stubby66
I wonder if some of these guys realize that switching positions and not just staying at one could possibly cost them a chance in being a HOFer?
Edp007
I don’t know Stubby, DH’s make the hall now.
yewed
These guys will let you know after they’re done cashing the checks.
wreckage
You mean cheques.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
The Jeff Kent dilemma. Would already be in the HOF had he played all his games at 2B.
vtadave
Doubtful. 89% of his PA came as a 2B. Doubt an additional 1,000 played at 1B/3B/DH would have made a difference.
Angelic Visitations
Probably pissed San Diego traded him away as a prospect. Then again, there’s no finer City to live in than San Diego, even if the rest of Southern California has turned into a Newsome controlled hell-hole.
HalosHeavenJJ
Most of OC is still nice.
SportsFan0000
California is still one of the best places to live in the entire country.
If you don’t like it then go move to Florida.
Just buy a lot of hurricane and flood insurance.
Bart Harley Jarvis
And be prepared for living near ‘Florida Man’.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
That most likely means that now the Padres will be a mystery team in on Judge..which I thought was impossible going into the off-season. Make it happen AJ!
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
AJ should do exactly that. Perfect fit. They don’t need another SS, but they do need an outfielder.
SportsFan0000
That would be a complete waste of money.
The Padres could get 4-5 good players that could put them over the top
for a World Series victory with the money they would spend on Judge.
They need some back of the rotation guys, more bullpen, a 1B an OF.
Spending all their money on Judge would be foolish.
Tatis can play CF, LF.
Deleted Userr
No one’s mentioned it yet. I’m going go out on a limb and say Turner is still upset that Preller used him as a PTBNL in the Myers trade and then it got leaked out and they had to awkwardly keep him in the organization for 6 months even though not a single soul didn’t know he had been traded.
dvmin98
Nah. Why would he walk away from money bc of that? He’s an East Coast guy. His wife is from Jersey. $300 million is plenty and based on the tax difference by state, it makes sense for him to live near her family.
Deleted Userr
Could have been more than one thing my guy. I’m certainly not giving Preller any sort of discount after he does that to me.
dvmin98
Trades you and you get a ring? Sounds like it worked out for Trea. Doubt he cares hegot traded
Deleted Userr
Uses me as a PTBNL 6 months before I am technically allowed to be traded, lets it leak out that I was the PTBNL in that trade and then awkwardly keeps me around for 6 months even though everyone knows I was traded.
dvmin98
They had no choice. The way the rules made it, they had to wait. Why would he care? It worked out. You sound very sensitive. Go ask mom for a hug.
Deleted Userr
They COULD have not traded him. Or told the Nats not to leak that he was the PTBNL in the Myers trade. Other players who were uses as PTBNL’s before they were technically eligible to be traded didn’t have their names revealed as the PTBNL until they were actually sent to their new team. Brad Wieck for instance.
Padres2019ha
Did what? It’s a business stop being so emotional “my guy”
libertyfighter
You don’t know baseball very well do you? Back then Teams had to keep draftees for a certain period before they could be traded.
Deleted Userr
Son, I have forgotten more about baseball than you will ever know. Trea Turner wasn’t the first or the last recent draftee to be used as a PTBNL in a trade that was made before he was eligible to be traded. But he was the only one that had his identity leaked immediately. Brad Wieck wasn’t announced as the PTBNL in the Alex Torres trade until he was officially sent to San Diego. I’d be willing to bet even Wieck didn’t know he had been traded.
iBleeedBlue
Despite wanting to be on the East Coast, I can’t help but wonder if there were other factors that kept him from taking an offer from LA. He wasn’t happy at all in the beginning and winning doesn’t seem to be enough. It sucks being a fan and knowing that their free agent year production won’t be back next year.
Edp007
Dodgers shoulda kept Seager and locked him up 2 years ago imo
MPrck
N.L EAST is going to be the division to watch. The Mets better get Judge, because the Phils are going to be clubbing the snot out of teams. D.D has loaded that line up, the Mets need to get the big fish. I guess next years cable plan is going to rise so I can keep MLBtv, the best value in America. Oh well, that’s the state of America today.
bryan c
Huh? The Mets largely shut down that line up all last year with Peterson, Megill and Walker pitching a number of those games including a no hitter. They added Verlander and all accounts show they are likely to add another solid arm a la Senga or Taillon. This pitching staff is better than last years already by replacing deGrom, who pitched 11 starts (5 of which were pretty bad) with Verlander. Hitting slumps. Pitching rarely does. Buy all the bats ya like it isn’t what wins in the end except in 2008 when they caught lightning in a bottle. They got super luck on that run to the World Series. They better realize they need pitching because if you believe the Phillies are even close to the Braves roster wise, you are not looking closely.
Pads Fans
The Padres asked Turner to play 2B. Tatis is much, much better overall and Kim is a much better defensive SS One of them will be the Padres opening day SS.
The Phillies said he would start at SS.
He will still end up at 2B in a few years. His defense is not good enough to stick at SS for long.
BTW, Pennsylvania has a flat rate state income tax with no exemptions or deductions. The tax burden for most people in the higher income levels is actually lower in California. Including property tax I pay less as a percentage of my income than the flat state income tax rate alone in Pennsylvania.
Pads Fans
Oops. Not opening day. Tatis will return from suspension on April 20th.
sacball
“Tatis is much, much better overall…” maybe on the sauce…
Pads Fans
You are saying you are on the sauce?
Hired Gun 23
I don’t buy this one, not one single bit. Glad he got his cash and is closer to home…
baseballteam
This is the one that will result in the end of Dombrowski’s time in Philadelphia. The second half of this decade will be painful in PHL and no there will be no WS banners that make it “worth” these insane contracts.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Pennants fly forever!
libertyfighter
Dombrowski leaves pain everywhere he goes. Miami, Detroit and Boston. All franchises that were absolutely ruined when Dave left.
SportsFan0000
Another whining and crying Red Sox Fan still bagging on Dombrowski?!
Your statement is complete nonsense.
Most of those contracts will be off the books long before that,
Some of those players could be traded also.
The athleticism of Turner and Harper means that their offensive production
will likely continue into their late thirties.
They both have great conditioning programs.
Bart Harley Jarvis
base,
PHL is the destination for Philadelphia International Airport. I can easily live with a little more pain flying into and out of Philadelphia if it makes the Phillies more competitive for the next 7 or 8 years. That’s definitely a fair trade off.
Bart Harley Jarvis
*designation
flamingbagofpoop
Wonder if any of it was a fu for trading him in the first place.
fljay73
Wow. 11 year deal for a 30yo shortstop. Happy the Rays locked in Franco into his early 30s.
swinging wood
I think he’s still upset that the Padres traded him for Wil Freaking Myers.
User 1413108128
Now look at what California spends.
lebowskiachiever
You know how you know this story is BS? Turner is on the Phillies.
Sky14
Believe it or not, some people value things other than making every last dollar. Turner stated before he wanted to be on the east coast near his family. He was going to be very wealthy either way.
Joeyg39
A team already with Machado, Soto and Tatis and Turner tells the Pads…” Thanks for the higher offer, but not really interested…” Not exactly a ringing endorsement for that team.
kam3hameha
If you’re going to spend that much, might as well sign Judge or at least make a heck of an attempt.
luclusciano
being they had it to spend, they may be the mystery team now
rememberthecoop
And they even threw in a free pass to the San Diego Zoo!!
Tacoshells
Woooow dood!!!! How do you turn down an extra a 50 mil??? What a fool!
Chemo850
You’re clearly not married. It wasn’t his decision.
JackStrawb
That would make him a wuss.
Unless her immobile parents live near Philly.
Tacoshells
My BF and I have a great relationship TY
Jon M
Maybe they were looking at him as a potential replacement for Machado if he opts out.
99socalfrc
Exactly what I was thinking. The acquisition of Soto and now the interest in Turner might be an indication the Padres are prepping for a Machado departure.
Saint Nick
SD you already have a SS! Use that money to get Judge and start planning the parade.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
They have parades for 2nd wildcard?
Saint Nick
well played
99socalfrc
If the Padres want another guy to throw $300-400 million at don;t they sort of already have a right fielder to negotiate with?
Soto is 5 years younger than Turner, which one would you rather throw stupid $$$ at?
Signing Tatis and Machado to big deals in their 20’s is very different than Turner, dude will turn 30 next year.
JackStrawb
If Soto’s looking for half a billion, especially after his 2020 season, SD may have already decided to move on.
vtadave
Yeah only a 202 wRC+ in 2020.
Samuel
99socalfrc;
Who says Soto stays, let alone Machado?
After the Ohtani signing (I expect the Padres to be strongly in on that) Mr. Boras will get will easily get him well over $500m.
The Padres are playing with fire, and it’s only a matter of time before that team explodes.
I’m beginning to think the owner is as nuts as Preller is.
99socalfrc
Ohtani has nothing todo with my post, my point is which guy would you rather pay for? Soto, who is 24 or Turner who is turning 30?
The Padres really shouldn’t be as concerned long term anyway, they should be stacking up for the next 2 years, when they have a combination of Machado, Soto, Snell, Darvish & Hader. All those guys may be gone in the next couple years.
Trea Turner in years 3-11 of a contract doesn’t do you ANY good if you don’t have the above mentioned dudes.
IMO missing out on Abreu was a miss. He play’s a position they actually need and they could’ve thrown whatever AAV needed at him for 3 years. The same could be said for Verlander. If the owner wants to spend stupid money to play for titles the next couple years that’s awesome, but if you came to party in the short term, then party in the short term. Don’t throw money at Trea Turner on a contract that will wreck your team for a decade.
SportsFan0000
Soto’s stats after the trade deadline went into the toilet.
Soto is the most overrated player I have seen.
If Soto (and Josh Bell) had produced after the big trade,
then the Padres would have challenged the Dodgers for the Division
and/or finished a much closer 2nd.
No way should Padres ownership give Soto 300m or 400M,
Preller and the Padres GOT HOSED BY THE NATS.
The Players the Padres gave the Nats in that short term deal
will be important pieces on the Nats next playoffs team in the years to come.
If Soto and Bell had hit better in the playoffs, then they could have won
the NL and the WS in ’22.
Dombrowski and the Phils should be sending Preller Christmas cards and gift baskets lol!
Buzz Killington
Dumbrowski saved him.
Timothy Salahi
Crazy he would rather live in crappy Philadelphia the. San Diego lol…
benhen77
Preller eager to right past wrongs.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Many guys hate California and New York and prefer Florida and Texas. No further comment.
Braves Butt-Head
Yea because of taxes and policy there’s a reason California and New York have had a decrease in population because people are leaving. Unfortunately most of them leaving are bringing the same political beliefs that dragged down California and New York with them when they move.
This one belongs to the Reds
Great stat for you – 80% of the people could care less about the political beliefs of the other 20% on the fringes, despite all the noise out there.
They live their own lives.
99socalfrc
But what percent understand the phrase “couldn’t care less”?????
Bart Harley Jarvis
Braves Butt,
Good one! Feeling’ the burn here in the Bay Area, all way from Alabama or Mississippi or Kentucky or wherever your little slice of sunshine is.
goob
Texas, the Handmaiden state – getting a little less popular with the ladies with every passing day.
Macho King OG
Jersey Girls are tough like NY Girls, but they have a sweet side, and don’t have Truck Driver mouth!
This one belongs to the Reds
You must not know the right Jersey girls!
Of course, I know a Japanese girl who curses like a sailor. I kid her the first English word she learned as a kid started with F.
CarverAndrews
Hmm…no “truck driver mouth” on the Jersey girls? I must have been on the wrong side of the industrial parks in my misspent youth…
Bart Harley Jarvis
Which exit?
James Midway
As a Padre fan it’s good to see them jump in like this. Turner is from the east coast and took the opportunity to play closer to home, good on him and I can understand accepting a little less to play close to home. The money at that point doesn’t matter, either deal is more money than he will ever spend.
Now I’m wondering what pivot Preller does.
mlbdodgerfan2015
State income tax differential alone makes dollars similar. CA top bracket is 13.3% and I believe PA has flat tax rate of 3.07%. Plus cost of living much cheaper in Philly compared to SD. Obviously SD is a much nicer place to live but not everyone values that. And we have no idea on deferrals both sides. Lastly Turner is an east coast guy so not much value in staying out west.
JackStrawb
People seem to think rich people pay anything close to the nominal tax rate.
They do not.
For example:
The current federal top rate is 37%.
On average the rich pay 9%. .
mlbdodgerfan2015
@JackStrawb I’m talking about state income tax differentials. Nothing to do with federal tax rate. State income tax codes are much simpler than federal tax codes. So, less opportunities for “manipulation” or loop holes.
Also, your view of who actually pays taxes is completely wrong. The 9% or so tax rate that you quote only really apply to the ultra ultra wealthy who can take advantage of these loopholes. 99.9% of us can’t. Probably less than 500 households. Most rich folks pay an absurdly amount of income taxes. Top 1% pays for 35-40% of all taxes paid. Top 5% pay for 55-60% of all taxes. Don’t forget the households that don’t pay any income taxes. The rich subsidize the poor by A LOT. This notion that the rich don’t pay taxes is dumb and unfounded.
Samuel
mlbdodgerfan2015;
The wealthy pay the politicians for those loopholes. It’s done on the State level as well as the Federal.
A flat tax would be fair. But it would never pass – it would limit the legal corruption.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Again LESS so in state vs federal. I know a lot of people paying 40-50% combined federal/state tax rate in CA. And plenty of those who have moved out of CA because of high taxes whether they’re expecting a taxable event or sick of paying all that tax. 13.3% state income tax in CA versus 0% in states like NV, FL, TX and others.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
That’s federal, not state.
99socalfrc
Oh god, here we go with the “Rich people don’t pay any taxes”
As a licensed CPA who owns an accounting firm it’s the most comical thing I hear all the time. I seriously piss my pants laughing.
Jeff Bezos most recently released tax return showed $1.6 BILLION (with a B) in federal tax paid on 6.4 billion of income (25%)
Elon Musk just wrapped up his 2021 filing in which he paid over $10 BILLION in taxes on $23.5 billion of income. (Over 40%)
Anybody making over $1,000,000 a year can bank on 33% tax. Sometimes its a little bit more, sometimes a little bit less but it’s always right in that ballpark. I know, I get paid real money to advise people on these issues. I don’t care about loopholes and some crap that your neighbor or your uncle told you about taxes, rest assured they don’t know what they’re talking about.
I can say that given the difference in state tax it seems like the Padres offered alittle bit more than just the difference in state taxes. My best educated guess is that over the life of an 11 year contract at $27m per season the California tax probably exceeds the PA tax by $20-30m
Another consideration is the road games, as players have to pay tax in each state they play in on a sort of prorated basis. So not only does the higher rate apply to games in San Diego but also the road games in LA and SF. In Philly he will get a handful more games per year against the Marlins so those games could potentially be free of state taxes.
SportsFan0000
Most Texans pay more taxes than Californians according to a Houston Chronicle article. Texas has no State in come tax.
Texas makes up for it with higher property taxes and higher junk fees and taxes on other things.
99socalfrc
Well by all means if the Houston Chronicle said it then it must be true. They’ve always been a real resource for tax law.
Texas does have some of the highest property taxes in the country, I don’t think it’s high enough to shoot the total taxes higher than California (also the sales tax between the two states is close but California is probably slightly higher depending on county)
HalosHeavenJJ
As always, context matters.
CA is great if you are rich. Yes, the taxes are very high if you are rich but so is the quality of life complete with ocean views and great entertainment.
CA is great if you’re poor as we have a ton of social programs.
CA is really tough if you’re middle class. We have the lowest housing affordability index, the worst climate for small businesses, and the combined income, property, gas, and sales tax tsunami really hurts.
There are pros and cons with living and working anywhere. The great thing about the US is we’re free to move where it works for us.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Do you really believe that the middle income in TX/CA is $40K to $60K? That seems ridiculous low. The higher the income the higher the differential in taxes paid.
Also, while property tax rate is higher in TX vs CA, property value is much higher in CA vs TX, especially for larger more expensive homes. So, you’re taking a higher rate off of a lower base. So, total property tax paid on a comparable house much lower in TX.
Also, the context is baseball players like Trea Turner. These articles are geared toward lower income folks. Completely different picture when you factor in top earners like Trea Turner and other elite athletes.
phantomofdb
All the loopholes you think you know aren’t for wage income. There’s only so much you can do when you’re making 10s of millions on a w2
Win Cor
Idiotic…
angt222
Trea could have chosen Philly due to:
-Philly are defending NL champs.
-His buddy Harper is on Phils.
-Wife’s family is from neighboring NJ.
-He’s played in NL East for majority of his career.
-Citizen’s Bank Park is a better hitters park.
-Cheaper taxes?
Manfred’s playing with the balls
He also gets to play SS in philly. In SD he probably moves to 2B
flamingbagofpoop
You could be right about the hitter’s park thing, but I wonder if players care about that after they’ve essentially signed for what amounts to the rest of their career.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
The Padres’ offer would have been similar money after agent fees and taxes in California compared to the Philly’s offer in Pennsylvania.
Also- you get into the suburbs of Philly or you live in a bordering state and it’s idyllic out in the burbs or even the countryside and you can get a massive estate for the same price you’d spend in California for a tiny single unit parcel of land that an overstuffed, overpriced McMansion sits on where you are practically sharing a wall with your neighbors.
And I have lived in and appreciate NY, CT, PA, etc. along with CA. They all have their upsides and their downsides, but if he wanted to live on the East Coast, playing home games on the East Coast certainly helps. 81 games a season on an East Coast home team plus playing the teams in your division is an extra 4 months a year where he can sleep at home and not have to really travel so far he’s staying in a hotel for a lot of away games.
I don’t blame him for giving up $42M in order to get more time where he wants to be.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Trill,
Don’t forget Rittenhouse Square or Chestnut Hill for those who don’t want a snoozy suburban lifestyle.
rennick
Loooove those spots
knolln
things like regional preferance are real. that a team offers you a million dollars a year more so you can say you’re the total or aav king aren’t really important to the players. its important to the union that wants to keep moving those numbers north. turner’s lifestyle change because he turned down a few million when we’re REALLY into the 9 figure range, is secondary, more like inconsequential.
Samuel
knolln;
Posters need to stop publishing the dollar difference and look at the percentage difference.
Mr. Turner and his family are set for life for at least 2 generations with half the contract he got.
flamingbagofpoop
It’s important to some players, as they’ve stated. Obviously like with everything else, not everyone is going to be looking for the same things. I’d imagine the majority of players in MLB would have gone for the SD deal, though (assuming it doesn’t have a bunch of deferred money or something).
Braves Butt-Head
State income taxes matter
stretch123
Offer Judge 400 mil lol
Macbeth
Income tax in PA is only about 3%
stretch123
Can you imagine a lineup with Tatis, Machado, Judge and Soto? Damn
Samuel
stretch123;
And can you imagine the confusion when the Rays beat them?
KingSall77
What is the Padres payroll if they have Machado at 300 million, Joe Musgrove 100 million Fernando Tatis 300 million. So Trea Turner would have had 342 million if he signed here. Not even expensive teams like the dodgers would not even keep all these players, even with there high payroll.
99socalfrc
You left out Soto and Hader. Luckily Uncle Peter spends more like a drunken sailor than a baseball owner. It sure is fun to watch.
DCartrow
LA’s fine but it ain’t home.
nailz#4life
hey, he didn’t want to get ringworm. Who can blame him?
This one belongs to the Reds
Personally I think he wanted to avoid the whole controversy with what they would do with Tatis, would he play second again, clubhouse cliques, etc.
Of course making the wife happy is probably more important!
fearthecub
I heard it was $342,000,000.01 guaranteed.
Wagner>Cobb
A lot of money to basically be their Ben Zobrist. If I have to choose between $341 million to live on the side of the country I don’t like (west coast) and to do a job I don’t want to do (utility man), I would gladly take a little less to be in a situation that I’m actually comfortable with and playing the position I enjoy playing. Money is not the absolute be all end all for every player. It’s the same reason why Arenado didn’t opt out.
jbogus
I totally agree. When you’re offered 300 million plus, you pick quality of life over a couple million, here and there, unless you don’t have your head screwed on straight (which admittedly a lot of pro athletes don’t). Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (not money).
mlbdodgerfan2015
Except that after factoring out state income taxes AND cost of living difference between SD and Philly, Turner is better off financially in Philly over SD. So, it was likely win-win for him to go with the Phillies.
sliderwithcheeze
Plus the east coast rappers are hands down better than the west.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
If they offered all that to Turner, you KNOW they’re gonna pivot to Judge. Wonder if 9yrs/342m gets it done?
sss847
I wonder if Preller regrets trading Turner for nothing all those years ago
99socalfrc
Exactly. Nothing says “I f*cked up” like offering a guy $342m to get him back on your team.
mrpadre19
Well….we know who wears the pants in that relationship.
She wanted East Coast so East Coast it is
Candlestoked
Mr PEDre no es muy popular with the ladies!
Os fan in PA
Wow! I wonder what it is like to be offered $342 million and still be in a position to just politely say, “Thank you, but I’ll pass.”
Os fan in PA
I cannot imagine that the MLBPA or Correa’s camp is very happy at the moment. If Turner accepts San Diego’s offer, Correa’s price tag just went to 11 years $440 million. Swanson’s probably looking a $210 million or more if Turner accepts that SD offer.
flamingbagofpoop
One crazy contract doesn’t do that. Otherwise Correa wouldn’t have been a twin.
99socalfrc
Manny Machado called, he asked to sign his 2023 opt out clause right away. He said he knows what your willing to pay guys into their 40’s now and the last 5 years of his previous deal isn’t going to cut it.
Great negotiating tactics as always from the Padres front office.
rennick
Huh, I could have sworn a someone on here once told me that players only sign for the most amount of money.
dasit
when you come to a thread looking to enjoy “cleveland was THIS close” memes and instead are confronted by 127 comments on california’s water policy
Joeyg39
After Bob Melvin left Hader picking his nose in the bullpen while Suarez got lit up was enough for Turner to leave the extra $41m on the table. I mean what player would want to be part of that clueless managing?
99socalfrc
Suarez pitched to left handed batters 86 times in 2022. He struck them out 29% of the time and they hit .182 off him. Before Bryce Harper left handed hitters had ZERO homeruns against Suarez in 2022.
But don’t let that get in your way.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
“Money can’t buy me love.”
Bart Harley Jarvis
I believe it can in Nevada.
htbnm57
Maybe he just liked the players, manager, hitting coach and fans more in Philly. Maybe he just likes the atmosphere there.
Pads Fans
He said that he wanted to play closer to home. He is from Florida, lives in North Carolina, and his wife is from southern New Jersey.
He didn’t even entertain an offer from the Dodgers.
The Padres tried to give him a huge payday to stay out west and he chose family. Can’t fault the guy for that.
sdpadsfan11
If the Padres offered turner that much money; I believe they dodged a bullet with him turning that down. Use that money on starting pitching (Rodon,Senga, Walker). The Padres have Musgrove and Martinez as the only SP next season.
Shawn W.
Yu Darvish
Pads Fans
Except Snell and Darvish. Or are you talking about for 2024?
Redstitch108* 2
What an idiot. Coulda lived in San Diego (vs Philly) AND had another $42 mil? Doesn’t make sense. Maybe he doesn’t like wearing brown?
htbnm57
It’s a ton of money he’s making anyway so maybe he likes the team, manager, hitting coach and fans better in Philly.
IamThatDude
Yea huge idiot. Could have been golfing in SD why Philly was in the WS