TODAY: Gibson signed for one year and $10MM, Orioles GM Mike Elias told reporters (including The Baltimore Sun’s Nathan Ruiz and Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com). The O’s continue to look for more veteran pitching, and “anyone who’s out there” on the market is a possibility. This includes starters who have turned down qualifying offers. In other Gibson news, the Blue Jays were also known to have interest in the right-hander, and The Athletic’s Dan Connolly reports that Gibson took Baltimore’s offer over an identical one-year, $10MM deal with Toronto.
DECEMBER 3: The Orioles have strengthened their rotation, with veteran starter Kyle Gibson agreeing to a one-year deal, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. The deal is pending a physical.
It’d been widely reported that the Orioles were in the market for starting pitching additions, and Gibson gives them a solid back-of-the-rotation arm. They’ve been linked to a number of other starting pitchers this off-season, and it certainly wouldn’t be a surprise if Gibson isn’t the only one joining the team this winter.
Gibson, 35, had a 5.05 ERA across 167 2/3 innings for the Phillies in 2022. Advanced metrics were a bit more favorable, and his FIP stood at 4.28. He did post the best walk rate of his career (6.7%), and while his strikeout numbers have never jumped off the page they were 1.5% better than his career rate of 18.6%.
Gibson was drafted by the Twins with the 22nd pick of the 2009 draft, and made his debut 2013. He struggled a bit initially, but soon settled in as a durable arm at the back of their rotation. He’d go on to make 188 starts across seven seasons for the Twins, peaking in 2018 when he made 32 starts for a 3.62 ERA, almost a full run below his average while in Minnesota.
After reaching free agency at the conclusion of the 2019 season, Gibson latched on with the Rangers on a three-year, $28MM deal. He struggled a bit in the pandemic-shortened season but straightened things out in 2021, pitching to a 2.87 ERA across 19 starts and turning himself into a valuable trade chip for the Rangers at the deadline that year.
Advanced metrics did have him ripe for regression that year, and he did drop off a bit after the Phillies acquired him, pitching to a 5.09 ERA the rest of the way in 2021.
His fastball sits in the low-90s, and he mixes that with a slider, curveball and changeup, as well as a cutter that’s been introduced in recent seasons. It’s the durability that Gibson is noted for though, and apart from his rookie year (and the pandemic season), he’s made at least 25 starts in the other eight full seasons.
He slots into a rotation that features Kyle Bradish, Dean Kremer, Tyler Wells and Austin Voth – none of whom have ever reached 25 starts in a big league season. Top pitching prospect Grayson Rodriguez is also likely to feature in 2023, but as a rookie they’ll be keeping a close eye on his workload.
From here, it seems likely the Orioles will pursue another addition to the rotation as they look to supplement their young roster. The likes of Jameson Taillon, Chris Bassitt and Taijuan Walker would all make sense for Baltimore, and while Gibson can certainly work as a valuable innings-eater, adding one of those names would give their rotation a bit more punch as they look to build off their promising 83-79 2022 season.
Yuck.
The Guardians get a participation trophy for pursuing Gibson…..finishing 30th.
That is not even trying ….how is that participating?
OIC20213 hours ago
The Guardians get a participation trophy for pursuing Gibson…..finishing 30th.
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Care to explain? From my perspective, don’t the Indians have 5-6 SPs better than Gibson?
My Pirates failed to get him, GOOD, good luck Floch.
which means the Pirates will probably wait until the bottom of the pitching pool has been reached and sign a more fitting has been like Jordan Lyles
Haha good one, and the cycle will do it’s self again.
Pirates need a lefty anyways.
Not what I was hoping for, but Mike E has plenty of latitude w/ me. I’m sure it’s a better signing than I think. I hope.
Say hello to the new ace of the Orioles staff, Floch.
Shoo, clown.
I did tell you, didn’t I? The Orioles aren’t interested in competing. It’s Pirates 2.0 in Baltimore.
This is simply Lyles’ replacement at the back of the rotation, clown boi. It’s not sexy or exciting but it’s a role that does need to be filled.
Back of the rotation? Seems to me their entire staff from last year would be good candidates for the back of the rotation–if the Orioles had any designs on competing.
Which, as this signing shows, they don’t.
Yes. A back of the rotation starter.
You see, Jordan Lyles was a back of the rotation starter for the Orioles last year and now he is a free agent, which means his spot needed to be filled, and now it is filled. I know this is a very difficult concept for you to wrap your head around, but it’s really not that complicated.
What’s not complicated is the entire Orioles staff is littered with back of the rotation-type pitchers.
Adding yet another one via free agency signals that Angelos & family aren’t willing to spend what it takes to bring in true impact pitching, which the Orioles desperately need if they hope to be truly competitive.
What’s really uncomplicated is inferring that you have no idea whatsoever who any of their young pitchers are.
Hall and Rodriguez have huge pedigree and potential, particularly the latter. Kremer has shown signs of real breakthrough. Voth and Bradish have solid back-end potential.
I really hope they push for Rodon but they have a wealth of prospects to go after Jose Ramirez (just example of someone rumored to be available) or other trade targets. The infield picture, for instance, is overcrowded with blue-chip kids. Some will inevitably have to be traded.
I just hope Elias gets it right. I have no reason to presume that he won’t. Neither do you or anyone else.
*Let me know if you require further clarification, illustrations, charts, etc.
Yes, I may need some of those charts and graphs. Perhaps we could take a look at the underlying numbers for Voth & Kremer in 2022?
You know, the numbers that show that they are both likely due for regression in 2023.
Grayson Rodriguez certainly has potential. He’s the number one right handed pitching prospect in baseball for a reason, but as a rookie unfamiliar with pitching at the games highest level, he certainly seems like a potential 5th starter–assuming he makes the opening day roster.
DL Hall still needs a lot more grooming before he even gets a crack at a big league roster. He only threw 63% of his pitches for strikes last year in the minors, leading to an atrocious walk rate. Until he gets his command under control, he’s not an enviable option.
As far as Carlos Rodon goes, good luck. Not only do I not see the low-spending O’s beating every other team out to sign him, I think he’s quite the risk with his extensive injury history and track record of diminished velocity as the season progresses. Perhaps, that’s a graph you should look at over at Fangraphs?
Elias has done quite a good job of rebuilding the Orioles. I don’t discount that. The question remains, however, if the ownership group will grant him the financial ability needed to truly become a competitive team.
With no extension for Adley, and the Kyle Gibson signing, the answer to that question seems to be no.
@saintchris
I’m sorry but you just judged an off-season in the beginning of December. Crazy to do.
Chris is not a serious person arguing in good faith. He is a bitter clown with an axe to grind.
Judging an off-season? No. I’m predicting an off-season.
Ftr, I hope Angelos & co do the right thing and sign Adley & Gunnar to extensions, and sign enough impact free agents to give the team a legit chance at competing.
I’m just don’t think they will.
Bitter clown? Lol. I love how when you’ve been proven wrong and made to look stupid you resort to name calling. It makes you seem so completely defeated, Floch.
Is that an instance of a fan taking on the qualities of his fav team, I wonder?
Are you going through a rebuild, Floch? Is that why you’re losing so much?
Sooooo bitter lol.
With the flurry of signings coming out of the winter meetings, it would seem like the Orioles would sign someone if they were interested in competing.
All those guys you waxed on about, Floch, hoping the O’s would get, are all on new teams now.
Must sting, huh?
Sooooooooooooo bitter lol.
Nice farm system they have in Baltimore. The single-A level is really stacked. Hopefully those 18 & 19 year olds can make it to the majors before Rutschman gets traded to the Padres in a couple of years.
Because no help is coming via free agency.
Soooooooooooooooooooo bitter lol.
Turrible
I love the person, but last year he fell apart the last five weeks of the regular season. Hope he rebounds for the Os.
His career splits are poor for 2nd half – 3.95 career ERA 1st half vs 5.11 career ERA 2nd half.
Yep. I hate this.
Yeah, he’s going from the NL east which lit him up to the STACKED AL east where he will see that ERA Ballon to possibly 6 this year
If you call adding a 5.05 ERA “strengthening”…
Yeah, that is kind of an odd word choice. Seems a bit paradoxical.
New reporter??
Great sign ! One year deal is kinda odd though. Especially this early in the off-season
Not for a veteran coming off a down year
I would argue that a one year deal for Kyle Gibson is one year too long.
Bingo!
Did the Yankees just sign him ? Oh no wait, it’s the orioles. Have some perspective !
This is lyles replacement and he’s an upgrade from lyles while showing other free agents your adding pieces. O’s should have got an option year or two in case he does bounce back.
Solid move !
That Gibson is an upgrade over Lyles definitely qualifies as a fact not in evidence…
Is it just me….or is this a downgrade from Lyles?
I would say Gibson is slightly better though, you never know, Lyles may end up having a better year.
Lyle’s team option was not picked up at $11 million. Maybe they will end up giving Gibson $10-11 million. We’ll see when the guarantee is announced.
Thats not Noah Syndergaard!
No, but in some ways he’s better. Definitely can eat more innings.
That is most definitely true. How did he get enough innings to qualify for the ERA title Von?
No. and no.
Syndergaard was twice the pitcher that Gibson. was. Gibson had a 6.01 in the 2nd half last year.
No, but it doesn’t preclude them from signing Syndergaard either
Hoping their next SP signing is a much better upgrade. Bassitt would be ideal
Advanced numbers were more forgiving for Gibson (probably the case for nearly every Phillies pitcher this year). If he’s a back of rotation piece then he’s a perfectly fine addition.
Tyler Anderson signing is looking better by the minute.
It certainly is.
Most teams, including the Orioles, should be using that “back of the rotation” spot to develop their young pitchers. Do the Orioles lack that level of prospect?
@stymeedone I don’t disagree but the Orioles really don’t really have any upper level prospects that are ready to slide into the rotation other than GrayRod. Hall’s control is dreadful, he cannot be counted on to hold an SP spot. And if someone young does push for a spot, people like Gibson are brought in exactly for the reason of being able to be sent to LR, SP6, or traded away.
Syndergaard’s (O’s met with him too) name seems to carry more weight, but Gibson can definitely eat more innings. Solid back end starter.
I will say that advanced metrics (such as FIP) like him better than what his more common results show (ERA). So you might be right, as a depth piece or at best a #5.
So many other fans just took a sigh of relief after seeing this – as they didn’t want their team to sign this BP pitcher.
This is a solid #5. Congrats to the O’s.
I can’t see 5.05 as a solid 5 – solid depth, ok. A “take a shot and hope he can be a solid 5 with a little improvement”, ok.
He’s 2021 Lyles.
His FIP has been in the lower 4’s however.
Apparently it’s easy to forget the Phillies are the worst defensive team in the majors and play in one of the best hitting parks…
Sometimes it feels like the same people saying don’t judge a pitcher by ERA (which I agree with) are the same pointing out the 5 ERA. Your defense plays a huge roll in that, FIP is not amazing at 4, but about right for a number 5 that will have solid defense behind him.
Sure is easy to forget when half the Phillies’ starters outperformed their FIPs and the other half underperformed their FIPs. Almost like voodoo economics claiming Phillies defense is to blame for Gibson’s poor performance.
Kyle “At Least I’m not Jordan Lyles” Gibson
Such an odd pitcher. Potential for decent season but is so inconsistent from year to year. Even when decent, more serviceable than really solid. There is some sort of evolution going on in his game cause he strikes out more people than he used to (still not exactly a ton) but I’m just saying there’s the potential he puts up decent back end of rotation numbers. The proverbial ‘innings eater” (which is not a good phrase to begin with)
Pish, ERA+ with PHI in 2021 82, 2022 81, K/9 2021 8.0, 2022 7.7. Pish…
It is what it is
Gibson in the AL East? *shudders*
He was in the NL East. Plenty of sluggers there.
Pish, NYY TOR BOS TBR much tougher collectively than NYM ATL MIA WSN
Any good reason why the O’s would opt for someone like this over, say…Drew Smiley?
Of course the assumption is that they intend on using this guy in their starting rotation as the article surmises.
They signed him to eat innings which he is great at. Also, in most cases, he’ll be pitching against the other team’s #5 starter and Baltimore has the offense to beat other team’s bottom two starters more often than not. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gibson win 10+ games for Baltimore as a #5 starter.
Makes sense, man.
Couldn’t you get a 5.05 ERA from a rookie? You wouldn’t get the innings, because a 5.05 ERA from a rookie likely gets them demoted back to the minors. With Gibson, your stuck pitching him til you eat the contract.
You have no idea if Gibson will be pitching against the other team’s #5 starter. Where’s the darn down vote button.?!?!?
Based on the current rotation in Baltimore, Gibson might be the ace of the staff, the opening day starter. He might be facing other teams best pitcher.
S m y l y…
And the answer is that the O’s are financially frugal
This is true. Tbh, I have no idea what Smiley would command right now in this market. I figured he would be relatively cheap, but that doesn’t mean he would fit the O’s spending plan either.
I just tend to agree with Stymee that acquiring a pitcher at hos performance level could have been avoided by simply using AAA guys. But, who knows, man? I can’t figure out FO moves…
1 year/$6.5M so, I’d guess….
Any more would be a crime
It will be interesting to see how that HR/9 and K/9 play in the AL east, although with a more balanced schedule it may not matter much.
Gibson is cool but he’s not Jacob deGrom
Careful.
Jacob deGrom may turn out to be just a shadow of his former Jacob deGrom self!
5 for $185m.. that’s not cool, that’s ice cold
To be fair, there is a pretty good chance Gibson will throw more innings in 2023 than deGrom will in the entire first half of his 5 year deal 😉
O’s need 3/4 level starters like Quintana, Walker, or Manaea. Gibson is on par with Lyles, for whom O’s didn’t bring back. Unless O’s got him for less than $8 million, that’s not an improvement of O’s rotation imo…..
Minneapolis reporter once begged the give this kid with a :”live arm” a chance … at his shot at mediocrity.
a 5 era coming into AL east division, OY!
That’s like parading a three-legged zebra in front of a pack of hungry lions.
Keep in mind he was facing the likes of Soto, Turner, Alonso, Acuna Jr., Swanson, Olson…etc. It’s not like the he wasn’t facing some of the best sluggers in the league in a hitter’s friendly park.
FIP of 4.28 vs. his ERA of 5.05 should tell you Gibson was victimized by Philly’s bad defense in ’22. While the Phillies ranked 25th in defensive runs saved last season the O’s were tied for 9th. It is quite possible that 5.05 ERA does not repeat regardless of ballparks. Change of defense can do a lot for a groundball pitcher like Gibson.
At the same time we don’t know the makeup of the O’s 2023 infield defense. When they had Urias at 3rd and Mateo at SS their defense was elite. Urias at second was kind of ho-hum and they may sign a SS with a better bat than Mateo. I wouldn’t be surprised if the O’s infield defense takes a step back this year.
Yeah Urias with his MLB best UZR/150 at 2B in 2022, that’s ho-hum. That’s rogue alright…
How come half of the Phillies starters were not victimized by the defense but Gibson supposedly was?
In no way did expect the o’s to play in the upperclassmen of free agency, but I was hoping for something closer to Bassett or tailon. I’d settle for manaea even. Gibson just offers so little upside other than filling innings (which has become less important now with how teams use their bullpens)..
The_Porcupine;
1. I don’t think this is the last starter the O’s will sign this offseason.
2. While I don’t think the Phillies defense was as bad as the narrative, the Orioles D is one of the best in MLB. They’re an extremely solid fundamental team. Gibson is a pitch to contact guy.
3. If their young pitchers work out during the season – sorry to write this cliché – Mr. Gibson may be moved at the trading deadline.
4. Like the Astros, the Orioles are very good about acquiring pitchers that their analysts see something their doing that they think their coaches can help them make adjustments on to be more effective. They aren’t perfect, but so far their track record is quite good.
From Thor to Gibson in one news cycle?
Have to imagine they are not done.
He’s 1 at best 2 x through the order. After that he loses command and they’ve caught up with him.
Gibson in ’22
1st time through the order – .258/.320/..387, OPS .707
2nd time through the order – .274/.341/.448, OPS .789
3rd time through the order – .276/.340/.410, OPS .750
Well that should make the O’s the favourites in the AL East
Innings eater with a 4.52 career ERA, meh.
Yep. Looks like a Lyles $7 million innings eater to me.
So an indication that the Birds are sticking with Plan A? Get Rodriguez and Hall acclimated, Wells and Bradish more experience and Means & Seth Johnson reps/preps in 23 so for a years long run starting in 24?
I do believe the Os were sincere in planning (and maybe still r planning) to get a 3/4, but their budget constraint for FA SPs got f’d up when 4/5 Eflin got his 3/40? So a guy like Walker is now in 3/55 or 60 minimum territory? Oof.
Seth Johnson will be recovering from his TJ surgery that took place late in ’22
@Mister; thanks for the TJS info on SJ. I mistakenly thought he had it early 22. So drats, probably 25. Cheers!
Perfect Fit lol. I have to believe the Orioles will go after other starting pitchers.
Win win. Gibby gets the 1 year deal (probably cheap) and qualifies for MLB pension (10 years of service). O’s get a durable arm that gets on the bump every 5 days and competes. That’s invaluable for a young team trying to get over the hump with lots of young arms. He’s pitched for 1 team with an above average defense his entire career (2021 Rangers- All Star). Will see how it plays out, but a low risk signing and you know what you’re getting.
I wonder how his contract compares to Matthew Boyd. Body of work is slightly better than Boyd’s, but Boyd is 3-1/2 years younger and left handed. Orioles would have a good deal at $6 mill. or less, but $8 mill. to Gibson is probably a similar overpay to the $10 mill. the Tigers gave Boyd.
As a Tigers fan, I will be biased, but I like the upside with Boyd much better. The Tigers had to promote many young starters this year and need a pitcher who has a good chance to stay below 4.00 ERA for fewer IP more than the prototypical 4.50ish ERA innings eater (what I guess Gibson will provide). Since Boyd has made himself popular with the Tigers fans, getting him back is worth a little more than a random other pitcher.
Except for his impressive early 2021 run with Texas, Gibson usually has worse results than his peripherals indicate. The AL East might even be less forgiving for this. I can see why a team will sign him, although I thought the Orioles wanted to bring in more accomplished starters now.
Gruß,
BSHH
A better version of Jake Odorizzi. When he has pinpoint control, he’s good but when he doesn’t he has to throw the ball over the plate and gets whacked around.
stroh;
Excellent!
The O’s have an deep bullpen. One of the best in MLB. They’ll get him out of there when he’s off.
Keep in mind that a few of their guys that project to be starters will be in the pen starting the year, so they can go 3-5 innings behind him. And when John Means come back from his TJ surgery around mid-season they’ll use him out of the pen to build up endurance.
Equal fragility.
Maybe the Os are planning to move the fences back a little further ♂️
he should be a bit better with the orioles then with my Phillies. The O’s moved LF wall back 25-30 feet or so before the 2022 season and it did make a difference. CBP is smaller then OPACY so that should help a bit, but I think the biggest thing that will help Gibson is the Orioles defense is A LOT better then the Phillies
How was the offense compared to the phillies?
Gibson 2022 at home OPS against 0.753, ERA 4.57
Gibson 2022 on the road OPS against 0.769, ERA 5.79
I know it takes all of 3 minutes to check the stats, but expecting better bumpy, much better
These spots are for plugging in your AAA guys to see what you have. This does not move the needle at all. Wasn’t Gibson left off one or more postseason series roster for Philly this year?? It seems like I have badmouthed every deal coming across the boards the last few days but they have all been depressingly bad.
Funny thing , baseball always has seasons where the mediocre 7-10 year veteran former top pick , disappointing meh 4/5 starter finally clicks in one year. Charlie Morton types. Gausman. Rodon. Martin Perez. On and on happens every year
Hope this works for the Os
Seems like the same type of dumpster diving the O’s typically do. If this is their idea of moving the needle the basement is where they will be. Lots of young talent but they will never be able to get a top of the market free agent to put them over the top. There is a reason the Dodgers and the Yankees win. They spend. The Rays are the only outlier. And no one would confuse the Rays front office with the O’s.
“And no one would confuse the Rays front office with the O’s.”
Chris from NJ;
Actually I like, watch and follow both teams.
I believe the Orioles FO is better.
You really need to watch some Orioles games.
Maybe I’m missing something but what frontline starter has Baltimore developed since Mussina. What stater or reliever have they turned around or remade? Bautista was impressive but so was Bednar in Pittsburgh.
“What stater or reliever have they turned around or remade? What stater or reliever have they turned around or remade? ”
Chris from NJ;
Went through this yesterday.
The O’s bullpen last year was one of the best in MLB. All were rejects from other teams. They also reworked their starters from other teams. They’ve drafted very few pitchers.
Perhaps you missed it – after starting slowly the O’s were in the wild card race till the 2nd or 3rd week in September. I’ve been watching MLB for over half a century. The O’s are one of the best young teams I’ve ever seen. Unfortunately their players don’t start controversies, complain a lot, stare down opponents, or act like 11 year-olds when they do something good. They just play solid, enthusiastic, smart, opportunistic, fundamental baseball. So they don’t get much pub.
I didn’t miss it. They didn’t win anything. *83 wins is a nice year for a team built the way it is. I just don’t see it. Maybe Bautista is an example of what your talking about but Tate came over in a deal for Britton. They traded Lopez away. The Rays have hit on Glasnow ,Arozarena,Meadows just to name a few. The Dodgers have made Max Muncy,Tyler Anderson,and Andrew Heaney. Who has the O’s done that with. I’ve been watching along time too. Potential just means you haven’t done anything yet. Win a Wild Card spot and then we are talking. Good teams win all year. If the O’s win its good for the sport. I’m hoping they do well but there front office is not there yet. not even close.
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Chris, let’s not forget that the Rays franchise you’re praising have as many World Series trophies as you or I do — none.
That’s very true. Not really a fan of the Ray’s. Just like the way they do things. Contending for the last 10 years with the resources they have is quite the feat and to compare the O’s FO to theirs is insanity. Same as comparing the O’s and the Dodgers FO’s. Night and day. Maybe 5 year’s from now. But today no.
@Samuel not sure why can’t reply to your post. I observed what the Os did with the young staff as the season transpired. Kudos to FO, Hyde and pitching coaches , they let the young starters PITCH. As the season went on they allowed them consistently to work into the sixth and seventh. Even at times when in todays baseball the quick hook is in effect when a bit of a jam fifth inning.
Guys like Kremer Voth et al really benefited.
If you watched the Os you could see the development happening right before your eyes.
@Edp007 Samuel mutes anyone that is more intelligent than him. If you can’t reply to him then he can’t see anything you say.
Oh is that how it works lol thank you for the information.
Yes I do remember disagreeing with Sammy a month ago or so lol too funny
Sammy needs a sense of humour lol
He’s such a clown but he adamantly believes he’s a genius lol.
Samuel is an old lonely queen.
Looking forward to the Jays batting him around a couple times next year!
slimmycito;
Orioles hitters are looking forward to facing the Jays pitchers next year, as well as running on their defense.
@Sam
I will admit, Mountcastle hits like Barry Bonds against the Jays, Rutschman has torched them, and Henderson has looked good against them too so far. Point still stands though!
An older, less expensive version of Jordan Lyles.
Is this guy on the All-Overrated Team or what? In the last four years he’s had one (1) season over 0.7 bWAR. Basically he’s a replacement level pitcher and he’s not getting any younger. Just what the Orioles need.
Thank you, let’s just hope Dombrowski has a slightly better replacement lined up.
Why is the assumption being made by some people in the thread that this is the O’s only move?
“All the Orioles do is dumpster dive,” This is disappointing for increasing the payroll,” Etc…
What we know is that they signed Gibson to a one year deal. We don’t know if it is a major league deal, or if it’s a minor league deal with a spring training invite. There has been no announcement by the team on numbers or terms at this point.
When did Elias say, “we’re signing Cordero, and Gibson, claiming Lewin Diaz, and then we’re done. Just going to sit here and wait for spring training.”
I don’t understand how signing Gibson, automatically signals the Orioles are out on the other free agent pitchers. You can never have enough pitching.
This is a solid insurance policy.
If it’s the only move they are making it’s disappointing, but I’m not sure why the assumption is being made by some, that this is the only SP Elias is signing.
From an outside perspective it sounds like business as usual in Baltimore. The front office makes a comment that pay roll is going up and then they sign guys like Gibson who is essentially a cheaper version of a guy who was just let go and bells start to ring. In my humble opinion when your team makes it known that it won’t swim in the top tier end of the pools would set alarms off in ownership commitment to winning. But I guess as a O’s fan you already know this.
Why does this feel like a 2018 Orioles move?
SeñorTortas;
Because you’re living in the past?
Still think BAL signs Taillon.
Probably about 15 better choices for a back of the rotation guy, why would they do this? I mean if they got him for super super cheap there’s nothing wrong with it… I guess (Incase of an injury.. a filler… depth.. etc) but seriously why? He’s not young and didn’t even have a mediocre season last season. Really makes me scratch my head
Really? At least he’ll last a season as a passable starter.
The guy has pitched his entire career with a little league defense behind him. This is literally a fantastic 4-5 guy for the O’s. He gets a lot of weak contact (majority of starts) and takes the ball every 5th day. You can still have plenty of young arms in and out of your rotation.
I don’t remember if it was Gibson or Mike Leake, but does anyone remember that guy on John Sickles’ old blog that was ADAMANT that one of them would have a better career than Stephen Strasburg, when they were all still amateurs? Like, not just a one off comment, but threads and threads of back-and-forths
So.. which team hired that guy as scouting director?
I hate this move.
I hope there’s more to starters coming In. I’d rather see us save the millions of dollars and fix a waiver wire arm.
I imagine it’s less than the $11 mil Lyles option.
This is the exact type of player they should use the Lyles money for, an improvement at the backend where Lyles would have positioned himself. IMO this shows the money is being allotted to players that can help in the W column and not players that you cross your fingers for and hope you can extract trade value from them later at the deadline.
Well done Bmore
I am ok with Gibson if seen as a replacement for Lyles. May produce the same or slightly better and be able to eat innings at the back end of the rotation – I’d be fine with this. If the club sees this is the only move it needs to make in the rotation this offseason that would not be good, and its too early to draw either conclusion.
Well put.
If this came after a larger addition—you’re good with it. This in isolation isn’t exciting or enough. We’ll see what else shakes down in the off-season in the coming months.
I would have preferred the larger addition first, sure, but its only December 6 too. The fact that the Orioles were chosen over another team is a positive sign because usually the Orioles go no further than “other teams considered”
$10 million???!!! Are you freaking kidding me? I figured $2-$3 million at the most.. what the hell is
Wrong with them? They could have re-signed (whatever his name is) for the same amount and he had a better season last year
Would not have had to re-sign Lyles; exercising his option would have been financially neutral.
^^^ Lyles (couldn’t remember his name) I would have much rather had him for $11 million vs Gibson for $10 million. I’m just so shocked how much they paid this guy.. a couple of million is understandable (just for the depth) honesty.. what’s wrong with them???!
And they paid Lyles $1MM to cut him loose, so they saved zero dollars by replacing hi with Gibson.
Significant overpay… I’d offer 4 or 5 million at most.
More than I expected but after the Lyles deal last season I trust in Elias here.
I’d rather chance it with Clevinger’s health for two million less.
Clevinger got 12MM guaranteed.
You’re all over the place with bad takes on O’s posts JD.
Dude has such a hate the face when he pitches. Good riddance
…… In other Gibson news, the Blue Jays were also known to have interest in the right-hander, and The Athletic’s Dan Connolly reports that Gibson took Baltimore’s offer over an identical one-year, $10MM deal with Toronto.…..
So the athletic writer covering Baltimore says this 6-7th slot starter chose Baltimore over Toronto and it’s supposed to be accepted as fact? The Jays employee a half dozen reporters and control the messaging of another 30…..and there was tickity boo about this rangers cast off being offered $10 million from the jays.
The athletic is slipping…..
Maybe Gibson was a fan of the wire?