The Mets have officially signed the defending AL Cy Young winner, announcing Wednesday evening they’ve inked Justin Verlander to a two-year contract with a vesting option for 2025. It’s reportedly an $86.66MM guarantee, and if Verlander pitches 140 innings in 2024, he will have a $35MM player option for 2025. Verlander will make $43.33MM in each of the two guaranteed years of the deal and has a full no-trade clause. Verlander is represented by ISE Baseball.
Verlander was one of the most unique free agents in modern baseball, given his unusual circumstances. He made just one start in 2020 and missed all of 2021 due to Tommy John surgery, after which he reached free agency. At that point, he had essentially missed two full years and was going into his age-39 season. However, he won the American League Cy Young award when he was last healthy in 2019.
Despite the long layoff, Verlander had plenty of interest based on his previous track record and a spring showcase that demonstrated his health to interested teams. He eventually re-signed with the Astros on a one-year, $25MM deal with a matching $25MM player option for 2023 on the condition that Verlander reached 130 innings pitched this year. Not only did Verlander breeze past that marker, he added yet another excellent campaign to his lengthy track record. He tossed 175 innings, making a brief trip to the injured list for a calf injury. He posted a miniscule 1.75 ERA with a 27.8% strikeout rate, 4.4% walk rate and 37.9% ground ball rate, earning his third career Cy Young award. Based on that excellent campaign, he made the easy decision to decline his option and return to the open market in search of a larger salary. He was not eligible for a qualifying offer due to the fact that he had already received one previously in his career.
This created a free agency that was essentially unprecedented. It’s extremely rare for pitchers to pitch so well this late into their careers, especially after such a lengthy layoff. With Verlander about to turn 40 in February, he was never going to get an incredibly lengthy deal. However, he has previously expressed a desire to pitch into his mid-4os, meaning he could conceivably seek to get a multi-year deal of some kind. The closest reasonable comparison was Max Scherzer, who signed a three-year, $130MM deal to join the Mets a year ago, when he was going into his age-37 season. That came with a $43.33MM annual average value that smashed the previous record of $36MM, which was held by Mike Trout and Gerrit Cole.
Verlander is a few years older now than Scherzer was then, but the AAV was still seemingly a rough signpost for Verlander to aim for. Astros’ owner Jim Crane intimated that Verlander was using the Scherzer deal as a target in free agency, which was apparently beyond their comfort zone. For the Mets, their rotation was significantly impacted by free agency, as Jacob deGrom, Chris Bassitt and Taijuan Walker all his the open market. deGrom is already off the board, having signed with the Rangers in recent days. But they have quickly pivoted and replaced him with Verlander, who will now take deGrom’s spot as the co-ace next to Scherzer. He has reached his target by matching Scherzer with an AAV of $43.34MM, tying the all-time record. MLBTR predicted Verlander to get a three-year deal worth $120MM, an AAV of $40MM. He has instead secured the higher AAV on a shorter deal, though if he ends up triggering the option, he will get to $121.66MM over the three seasons. This is a reunion for Verlander and Scherzer, who were teammates in Detroit from 2010 to 2014.
For the Astros, they have been incredibly aggressive this winter but it seems their priorities have been elsewhere. Even without Verlander, the rotation is in good shape with Framber Valdez, Lance McCullers Jr., Cristian Javier, Luis Garcia, José Urquidy and Hunter Brown all present as solid options. Since they apparently didn’t see eye-to-eye with Verlander, they have dedicated their resources to re-signing reliever Rafael Montero and then signing first baseman José Abreu.
The Mets have become a financial powerhouse in recent years, with new owner Steve Cohen willing to spend at or near the top of the market in order to bolster the club’s roster. Last year, they ran out an Opening Day payroll of $264MM, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts. They are now set to go into 2023 with Verlander and Scherzer combining for over $86MM alone, well beyond the entire payrolls of some entire teams. Roster Resource now estimates the Mets’ payroll for next year to be $277MM, though perhaps more importantly their luxury tax estimate is $289MM. The lowest threshold of the competitive balance tax in 2023 will be $233MM, with three further tiers at $253MM, $273MM and $293MM, with the Mets now just barely under the top line. Since the Mets also paid the CBT in 2022, they will be a second-time payor in 2023 and subject to increasing penalties. All spending over the lowest threshold is subject to a 30% tax for them, with extra surcharges at each subsequent tier: 12%, 45% and 60%. In other words, any spending over the $293MM tier will be subject to a 90% tax. Since they are still looking to upgrade their pitching staff and outfield, it seems almost certain that they will indeed go beyond that line.
All of that spending helped the Mets field a strong team in 2022, winning 101 games. Though that was the second-highest total in franchise history, they still were nudged into Wild Card status by the Braves. The Mets ended up with a bitter first-round defeat, losing their best-of-three series to the Padres. They are now seemingly planning to spend aggressively yet again and hope for better results in 2023. Verlander and Scherzer will take the top two spots in the rotation, with Carlos Carrasco behind them. That still leaves two spots available, with internal options like David Peterson and Tylor Megill candidates for those roles. However, the Mets still have a few months remaining in the offseason to make further moves.
Verlander was one of three pitchers considered to be the aces of this winter’s free agency, alongside deGrom and Carlos Rodón. The Mets lost deGrom to the Rangers but have now replaced him with Verlander. For teams still looking to add to the front of their rotation, they will now have to pivot for Rodon, who is reportedly looking for a six-year deal.
Former ball player Carlos Baerga reported last night on Instagram that the Mets and Verlander were nearing agreement on a two-year deal plus an option. Andy Martino of SNY reported today that an agreement was in place for a two-year deal with a vesting option, with the AAV of the deal near Scherzer’s. Jon Heyman of The New York Post reported Verlander will make $43.3MM in each season, as well as the no-trade clause and the option value of $35MM. Heyman later added the 140 innings required to vest the player option. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported that the AAV is actually $43.33, matching Scherzer’s exactly.
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Wow
The Guardians, who had the most money to spend in free agency, finished an extremely close runner-up.
As always
White Sox likely offered more money in an incentive deal.
Mets are the new Tigers. If Rick Porcello came out of retirement (see prior article), the Mets could have three pitchers from 2010 Detroit Tigers with Max and Justin now on board.
By the way, the 2010 Detroit Tigers were 81-81 and had Miguel Cabrera, Maglio Ordonez and Johnny Damon.
Rick Porcello and Anibel Sanchez are available.
Porcello just announced his retirement.
Nope! They got no money to offer like that.
Manny – And the 2013 Red Sox would STILL beat them.
And the Tigers added David Price to the mix in 2014 and still could not win a World Series. They should have won in 2013 but Leyland overmanaged the ALCS by taking Schertzer out too early in game 2 to give him a blow for another day. Put in Benoit who gave up the famous grand slam to Big Papi when he had Porcello available. Will never forgive Leyland for this big F-up and costing the Tigers a World Series
@JayHeck2158: But that was, you know, eight years ago. Past time to move on.
I’m believe it was Scherzer who pulled himself out of the in the 5th, not Leyland. Max got some deserved scrutiny the next (several) days on sports talk radio.
I hate that 2013 Red Sox team…. but I guess we can credit them with helping create a hungry Carlos Beltran? So hungry he cooked up a cheating scandal and instigated it amongst his peers he wanted a championship that badly? Fair trade?
I also despise Leyland not only for his lousy managing but for being a foul-mouthed, chain-smoking fool who never moved to Detroit despite managing there for several years. Hinch is the same story…….won a ring by cheating and has slowly ruined the Tigers’ roster with Coolbaugh playing his Frank Nitty forcing MLB hitters to swing like pony leaguers. He can stay in Houston come February and do us all a favor.
You have to wonder how the Mets’ owner made his fortune and why he makes such crazy signings. Both Scherzer and Verlander have their rings and now with guaranteed contracts, what keeps them from spraining an eyelid and sitting out for months at a time? Both of them are locks for the HOF if they never throw another pitch. I see DD just signed the Dodgers’ SS to a $300M deal…this will be the 5th franchise he destroys trying for rings. He does have 2 rings or is it 3, so they keep hiring him and he keeps wiping out their minor leagues and putting them in impossible contracts. Nice work if you can get it, eh, DD?
To win with Smokey Jim Leyland at the helm, the Tigers needed a whole lotta luck and the rest of the division to collapse.
Nine years but who’s counting??? 🙂
Leyland could write a text book how to mismanage a bullpen. Drew Smyly was doing too well so Leyland pulled him. He sat on his hands while Al Albuquerque loaded the bases and then opted for the worst possible matchup against David Otiz with Jose Veres.
People remember The Big Papi Grand Slam but Leyland set him up just as he did the other games. Leyland had great teams but he never knew his personal. He went on hunches instead of actually knowing his team.
Big Papi 🙁
without actually disclosing their numbers! “The Guards were in the running for Verlander” and we’re supposed to believe it
Exactly. Dadof4. That was an empty post.
They’ll still be better than the mets
With Steve Cohen wallet well in excess of $12B there is no way on earth Cleveland had “the money money to spend in Free Agency.” However, I do invite you to prove that statement.
Stupid is stupid does.
So… Verlander and Scherzer are supposed to do for Queens what they couldn’t do for Detroit? Maybe 2013 Red Sox were a team of destiny? Time will tell? I wanna see Cohen got out and get Judge next? Force baseball to establish a salary cap and floor
Paired with Scherzer they have two old dogs to show the others how it’s done. That clubhouse is going to be interesting. Solid move for only two years.
Old teammates too
Health and age obviously is the key.The only thing I am thinking of does Justin shake off his playoff issues. Can he be that ace in NY? He definitely will have a great season. But winning the season is not what they want.They are building to go for it all.
You have to win during the season first, Einstein.
WHere did I say anything that called for your Einstein comment? I am saying getting to the playoffs isn’t enough if he has a great season. But thanks for your amazing input.
Need some ointment Dback?
Dude. Go to baseball reference and look up his playoff numbers. They are excellent. He has struggled in the World Series. The media has really run with this silly narrative thats not even true. Guys 2nd in postseason wins behind pettite and first in strike outs. Is that what you call a poor playoff performer?
come on man. I get your a ASTRO fan but he’s not the same as the season. He tends to struggle a little more than usual. not saying he is bad. The guy is amazing. but look at his past playoff performances and there are some bad ones.
@Dbacks44: “But winning the season is not what they want.” Being a necessary step in “going for it all,” of course it’s something they want. It’s what every team wants, Einstein.
You’re kind of a dîck. Nice badge.
So you expect a no hitter in every playoff start. Gotcha.
Something tells me your just as ugly as your picture. No one gives a crap if you make the playoffs after all that money you spent. Why would they be happy if they make the playoffs then get eliminated first round? I won’t respond anymore since your a troll.
Thank you!
Any Twins v. Yanks scenario.
Huh? Man the dude had some eras in the high 5s man. All I said was he tends to struggle a little more. I get it your a ASTRO fan
$43 Million per year…insane!
About $100k per out, K or otherwise…
Absurd…
Too much money in the wrong hands…
Next we hear SD offered 100m/2yr and got shafted, again.
Crazy AAV, but I like that they kept it under 3 years. Good job.
Me too. Like this a lot!!!
Hilarious this ‘lil ole 2-year deal already beat Braves’ franchise-record for FA contract (BJ Upton: 75.25M).
And yet the Braves keep winning
I agree @Von, it’s “right” at two years…..but I really thought the winner on JV was going to have to stretch to three. Good for the Mets and good for JV!
They might not have kept it under 3 yrs since there’s a VESTING OPTION for a 3rd year at $35,000,000.00
Not likely. There is a player only option for Verlander for 2025. It vests at 140 binnings in 2024.
Wow solid get for NYM. Replacing deGrom with Verlander is an upgrade because at least Verlander stays healthy..
He does, but he’s super old. I think it’s a win because they only signed him for 2 years. I thought for sure he’d get 3.
Love the two year commitment aspect of it, but really did want Rodon as a lefty and younger… not that I’m not happy to have JV
Wouldn’t say they’re done. Quite a bit came off the books and they still have a need for another SP. All they did here was replace the salary of DeGrom +$10M. Others pitchers off the payroll equaled $30M, so $20M there alone to spend to balance out and sprinkle in another $10M because they planned too and now you have Rondon.
They’re not done, but I think they’re likely out on Rodon. They aim for a second or third tier pitcher now. Then the solidify bullpen and OF. They’re still going to be way over the tax without Rodon.
Rodon is injury prone. Verlander was the far better option
I’d agree and think Taillon would be their next target. But as for Rondon, he’d be a longer term contract that they could carry upon the expiration of Scherzer and Verlander contracts and can fill out the rest of the rotation with Carrasco and Peterson. Scherzer could leave after next year and Carrasco is a FA It wouldn’t be unthinkable.
Mets are copying the Dodgers. High AAV, low year contracts only. Mets are built to win in the next 3 years. After that, they hope their young talent pans out. Smart strategy.
The Mets are now at 289 million against the tax threshhold when you include Cano’s 24 million. Do they have any limits?
Yep they really do want to follow the dodger strategy to a tee
They are already at $289M after this. That is already $56M over the luxury tax threshold. Every dollar over $293M will be taxed at a 90% rate since this is the Mets 2nd year over the limit (next year their tax bill goes up by 20% across the board as 3rd time offenders).
So if they give Nimmo $22M a year, they are actually paying $41.8M because of how far they are over. Next year those dollars are taxed at 110% lol, so those nimmo dollars would cost $46.2M.
If the Mets payroll gets to $340M this year, which I think is likely given how many more holes they have to fill,their total luxury tax will be $71.7M, lol, more than the payrolls of like five teams.
Next year, as 3rd time offenders, their luxury tax would go to about $93M. Lol.
Agreed – when deGrom got 5 years I thought that was going to almost guarantee a 3 year deal by someone out there for JV. I would rather have JV on that 2 year deal…the man is a beast that will do whatever it takes. Hate to see the Mets get him for that.
well that third year vesting option at 35M he’ll prob hit
If he pitches 140 innings that year, he’ll probably be worth taking the chance on for the third year.
Verlander missed the previous 2yrs
Got to love when the guy who missed two of the past three years is considered the one who “stays healthy”.
Yeah, not sure where that fallacy came from
Its recency bias. Overall, he pitches. And he has a new elbow.
it’s shiny and new
If Baerga is right, this is a massive overpay…
all they did was beat Scherzer’s AAV… kind of expected
The unbearable weight of massive overpay.
Fast signing – Mets got a lot to do and they’re getting after it.
@YourDreamGM Doesn’t feel like a massive overpay for a 6 WAR pitcher coming off the Cy Young award.
Elite pitching is always more costly than this year’s 1 WAR = roughly $8m standard since it’s one of the few ways to noticeably boost your WS win %.
What I wonder is if the Mets FO and Showalter will take an unconventional route to keeping JV and Scherzer healthy and effective into October. They didn’t gamble in 2022, they didn’t move at the deadline in a way that would let Scherzer and deGrom (and Bassitt) rest—-and with the same FO personnel on hand for the 2023 season I don’t think we can expect new tricks from these old dogs.
@JackStrawb Should be @azbacksfan. All I did was replace one word of movie title that I guess not many people seen. 43 million sounds about right to get him to go to the Mets. Will be a bargain if he contends for cy youngs. 40 sounds scary but if any 40 year old can do it it’s him. I’d rather have signed him vs DeGrom Turner. Probably should keep them rested for the playoffs but how could they with the Braves right there.
How much of the contract do you have to pay for?
Quite a bit, with every beer, or dog you consume at the game.
I always hate this take: “you’re a fan, why do you care how much a billionaire spends?”
Well, because every team has a budget and you want your team make smart decisions that allow for more room within that budget.
So no, we don’t care about the billionaires $, we care about the budget he’s allowing for the team.
You don’t have to like my take, for it to be true. Billionaire owner or not, it’s still a business and they aren’t in it to lose their tail ends. Fans pay their fare share at the gate, parking, and every single drink, food, or jersey they buy.
I’m also not saying it’s not worth it if you are a Mets fan. Just stating the obvious. Going to a ball game is inflating, at a much higher pace than the average Joe’s salary is.
I want my team to sign one of the 4 shortstops, but I’m not oblivious to the fact that I’ll be one of a few million paying at the park to help offset the contract. Duh.
Pirates and A’s also charge an arm and a leg for concessions at their matches but don’t field a product that matches what the organization makes. Huge numbers in TV deals… SNY and the Mets are appreciating in value at a very good clip. To say you’re paying for the players just by showing up and being a spectator isn’t completely false, but it’s far from enough to make you think you’ve got any clout in this discussion. Cohen is earning money even if he puts together a roster with a payroll of 400mn. Building a brand an appealing brand at the same time, set to make even more money in the future.
It wasn’t a discussion. He made a STATEMENT that we (the fans) don’t pay for any of his contract.. That was false.. It’s a combination of everything I said, as well as tv contracts. All is based on the spectator.. Whether they spend it at the park, buy the gear, or keep paying for the cable package or streaming service that increases nearly every year.. So, yes…. I have all the clout in the world to chime in.. Go, back and read the original message I replied to… Thanks, for your entirely incorrect garble that wasn’t even based on the original statement.
Wow that’s some coin!!
Another year. Another horrible showing on the free agent prediction contest.
It’s only ‘horrible’ if we have unrealistic expectations. Getting 70% correct wouldn’t be admirable. It would be all but impossible. There simply isn’t enough accurate information to make predictions in most cases much more than die roles.
In Judge’s case we might have been able to make it a 3- or 4- sided die (or 20-sided with the Yanks designated, say, 11 of those sides), but in many cases it’s significantly worse. Getting 20 right of 50 is very impressive.
Baerga scoops better journalistically than he did on the infielf.
Wrong.
Carlos Baerga? He has a watermelon on him.
Upgrade over DeGrom. Great signing.
Senior citizen discount in NY with him and Scherzer
LMAO!
We really need a cap lol
*sigh*
Milwaukee-2208;
Why?
The Mets spent like crazy last year. Did they go to the World Series?
They could have. The players have to get it done.
TheDogDays;
Maybe it’s the players.
Maybe other teams played better.
Maybe the match ups didn’t favor the Mets.
Maybe the sun got in the outfielders eyes.
Let everyone spend to their hearts content. The smart teams are going to do what they do no matter how much the desperate teams spend. And more often than not they’re going to win.
As the saying goes: “It’s not how much you spend, it’s how you spend it”.
You seem just to be in love with every team that is younger and cheap.
Not sure how that’s an automatic success barometer.
Rodon market will be interesting to see now
Wow they are trying to build the oldest rotation in MLB history. Nolan Ryan 2.0 and 3.0 with him and Max
Now they just need to call Bartolo Colon’s agent.
Good news,let’s get one more starter and bullpen guy or two and add A bat.
Verlander may never be able to hit a home run in his 40s the way Bartolo Colon did.
LOLmets endures.
I’m assuming this comes with a legal name change to Ju$$$$$$$tin Verlander.
Who cares if Kate comes, too.
Kate Uptown
Latest Vegas odds: separation of those 2 by spring of 2nd year, due to her wanting to hang out on the left coast. She will take her two talents and go to work out there.
Cleo to,
Your Mother, sister and daughter are all so proud of you
Yawn.
Just what we needed here… a weirdo analyzing a strangers marriages.
The guy that posted this in the comments last night was spot on. Nice scoop buddy!
Mets will get Rodon next.
No they definitely won’t.
Because of their cap number, I see Mets as more likely to work a trade w someone, and I have a feeling a big one may be coming.
“Definitely” – come on.
They still have to fill a BP and CF, so I’m doubting cohen puts another 30M toward one guy unfortunately
Good for JV. As an Astros fan, hate to see him go. But Houston already has such strong rotation depth that they had the luxury of letting him walk.
Completely agree. Would’ve liked to have him back if Crane wanted to pay for him but totally fine with him not coming back as well.
And the Mets is a great spot for him, as an Astros fan. Much more preferable than the Yankees or Dodgers.
I thought Crane just didn’t want to go to 3 years. So, it was thr money after all.
Vesting option assumes the third year if he’s healthy. Wouldn’t surprise me if he hits that option.
deGrom would have been a better signing at these prices
Degrom has pitched like 3 innings the last 2 seasons lol
Verlander missed almost all of 2020 and 2021 with TJ surgery and everyone was saying the was done…then he won the Cy Young. Degrom will be fine.
Yeah because he’s got a terrific track record of staying healthy right? Lol awful deal from texas. He’ll be hurt 2 starts into spring
The problem with deGrom is that his TJSurgery is already 12 years old. It’ll be 17 years old by the end of the deal.
Blood flow to the surrounding tissue decreases every year. I’d bet significant coin he misses at least 365 days to surgery over the next 5 years.
“Daddy” Steve Cohen has a simple solution to all the problems the Mets face. Splurg on good but old men who will lead them to another wild card spot. Alright DeGrom replacement I guess
JV won’t have to worry about his lack of WS production on the Mets.
Ouch.
Cold blooded.
Dam looks like rodon probably going to dodgers, Giants better not let him go
Why not just keep degrom?
5 years + injury liability = deGrom
2 years + injury liability = Verlander
save money, save risk. If either gets injured, you can move on sooner than later.
Alonso would be a FA in two years as well. If Verlander retires after this contract, they use the money for Alonso
Verlander will have to be either unable to pitch further or be completely ineffective to retire after this contract.
He is 56 wins away from 300. He has won 51% of starts in his career and 60% since he left Detroit. If he makes 81+ starts and pitches effectively then he should be within 15 wins so he won’t retire.
Do you think JV will take over deGrom’s old locker and get deGrom’s note next to the re-plastered holes in the wall over a lack of run support Mets offense have robbed him of over the years?
I can see your point but also it’s not a guarantee that the Mets resign or extend him.
That is correct
He is a mercenary now
What Alonso will cost won’t be worth it. His type on average ages badly. He’ll be a 30 year old slugger with fielding so poor at that point it eats up his bat, never mind in the last half of the 6 year deal the Rockies will offer.
The time to buy out Alonso’s first 2 FA years was in 2019 Spring Training.
WOW! Good for them
Uh, Martino and Heyman?
Not saying it’s false, but I’ll believe it when it’s done or reported by someone who doesn’t persistently make up rumors. Carlos Baerga is a unique twist, however.
Congratulations, Mets. Good replacement for the loss of DeGrom for sure, if this turns out to be true.
Passan posted about the signing as well
Okay, enough said. Passan is very reliable. Congratulations to Mets then, he’s one of very few that could replace deGrom’s performance.
Ben Verlander also reported it.
Just topped Scherzer on AAV. What will the Mets be paying in luxury tax this year?
Shows it isn’t much of a deterrent if so many teams are willing to pay it.
Such a joke.
Maybe…. but in order to appease both sides, I think it is a decent compromise…
Owners can use the “cap” as a justification to keep spending down…
meanwhile…
Player salaries keep increasing…
Crazy cash for a 40 year old. Needless to say they are ruining the market for everyone else, especially small market clubs.
Eh. This is the kind of a deal that the Orioles COULD’ve done also. There’s no payroll on that team & wouldn’t clog them up long term.
Wouldn’t blame the Mets. Good get. Better than Degrom for 5.
I agree with everything you wrote here, jbigz12.
The problem is Verlander would never choose the orioles.
That is correct. He likely would not because he’s winding down in his career.
That’s going to be a dangerous team but not a WS favorite for next year.
All that money for 2nd place.
Thats a good one!
Ughhh got to see that two headed monster this year? The NL East is a Beast!!
CALLED IT!!!!!!!!
lol at $43.4 AAV. What was Max ? $43.33
Aaahhh the boys. They just love the money competition.
But if you factor current inflation…
It’s not about loving money competition. Salary benchmarks are a big negotiating tool. I highly doubt Verlander was all about getting slightly more than Scherzer
Maybe. I’m not so sure though. I think at the big end of town where big egos reside, bragging rights is important.
Wow. Hefty AAV. Between Scherzer and JV…AAV 86 mil…little over 1/3 of the payroll for 2 players.
More than Clev’s payroll. Clev had more playoff success though. Strange game.
Mets get a more reliable ace. Solid move.
What they needed to do. Still much to be done. ATL a complete team. PHI once they add one of the marquee SS, also a complete team
Hey, don’t sleep on the Marlins, once they get a –ah, never mind–I can’t even joke about that.
@10cent: Hardly call the Braves a “complete team” w/the absence of a SS and the ugly void in left field. Braves fan btw, not a Braves hater.
JV is a much better better bet to be healthy for 2 v. degrom for 5. Hard to not like that swap out for the money.
Guess JV only wanted to pitch regular season games.
I’m a Yankees fan. It’s a strange feeling being jealous of the Mets…. Hope we get Judge.
That’s a lot of money.
I offered to do it for league minimum, they didnt bite.
Why dont emoti’s work on this site?
Cleon – most of us are adults..despite the content of some of the posts.
Between Verlander and Scherzer they might as well offer AARP bonuses in the clubhouse.
Nice! A lot of people cite his age, but there’s a good reason he just won a Cy Young award.
Actually disgusting.
Welp, good for Verlander. It will be weird seeing him not in an Astros uniform.
Mets with another old guy. See how well that worked out for them in September.
Verlander worked out well for his team in September.
I like it! The wheels shouldn’t fall off in two years. They should recoup on their investment. I’d like to see them roll the dice on Senga next. It’s gonna be the Sunshine Boys of MLB with Max and JV but here’s to each walking into the sunset of their illustrious careers with some more hardware and another WS or two.
this has to be the most optimistic Mets fan comment I have ever seen in my life.
@raltongo – you must not have been here in 2021 🙂
Thanks for the memories, Verlander.
Look at it like this, the Astros got more than enough value from the future 1st ballot HOFer. As we’ve seen before, Houston doesn’t have any issues replacing stars lost in free agency and finds ways to win with their in house talent.
You’re exactly right: Framber and Javier are both talented enough to anchor the rotation and lead it. Not only that, but Hunter Brown’s leg kick and windup remind me of Verlander’s. I’m sure you can find a video comparison of that.
All the best to JV. Most Astros fans feel that way.
RIP Astros
Oh, please. I hate the Astros, but they have one of baseball’s deepest rotations and just got Abreu. The Mariners are getting much better, but it’s still the Astros’ division to lose.
^ Yup. The Astros aren’t relying on the old guard. They’re young and full of talent. I hate them, but they’re a great team.
LOL
Steve Cohen isn’t messing around clearly. Lose deGrom but gain Verlander. Good for my Mets fan friends.
Verlander got the news by pony express.
I thought it was by carrier pigeon.
I talk studies called it
Would rather have Rodon when you consider the cost. Not that he’ll be cheap, but he won’t get $40+M/yr.
Kate Upton on Times Square billboards? Sounds good.
This deal has the taint of Kate Upton.
We could all do with that kind of “taint”, no?
Adding another FA to my contest tally!!!
If I’m a Mets fan I like this deal much more than the one Degrom signed for.
Agree. Both pitchers are ultra high risk and ultra high reward. Two guaranteed years is better than five guaranteed years.
Verlander isnt really replacing deGrom, deGrom missed almost the entire year, he made 11 starts and the Mets went 6-5 in those starts. Verlander replaces Bassitt as the Mets number 2. Huge upgrade. Carrasco was their number three last year, but probably sliding to number 4 to replace Walker. Let’s see who the Mets sign to be their number 3, Taillon?, Rodon? Return of Bassitt?
Wouldnt surprise to see Bassitt go to Yankees
Its a lot of money but short term. If I was a GM that would always be my goal… fewer years at more money or heavily frontloaded.
In the words of Curly Bill, “Well, bye.” ~
sincerely, Mariners fans.
I’m glad Crane didnt give in and pay that much.
So are the other 14 AL teams.
The other 14 AL teams will still watch the WS from the couch too.
The Mets have a $280M payroll without a catcher, center fielder, and at least 2 starting pitchers.
Fred
They have a couple of catchers (McCann and Nido) and I think those are the ones that they will roll with. Alvarez will be ready by 2024.
As I said, they have no catcher
Watch Verlander’s arm falls off this season. If it happens next season, then the contract is still good.
High priced loaner who may succumb to age at any time
For me, with these contracts especially, JV is a no brainer v deGrom ON PAPER. So much will depend on health, no way to know how it actually plays out.
As a Dodgers fan, I am disappointed about not getting JV, but honestly, that money is too high.
I’ve said before, the Dodgers need to let this particular off season and this particular market come to them. That takes tons of patience and especially confidence, but I think it will pay off. Not saying a Freddie Freeman will fall into their lap again, but the Dodgers will make some signings and the trade route will be open (pre-season or deadline) given the prospects the Dodgers have.
NNNOOOOOO! Not the Mets. 1) he won’t win another one there, but for my fantasy team purposes that’s not where I wanted him. Dang it! Lol
Very hard not to like a two year deal here regardless of dollars. Cano money finally comes off the books after this year and the flexibility will be huge. They honestly could commit to a longer deal with another pitcher if they choose here. Escobar and McCann falling off soon as well replaced by Baty and Alvarez. Wow. It seems a business man is running things now. Nice to see a plan come to fruition.
Obviously need another arm. Taillon is perfect. Walker is fine. No thanks on Bassitt and his constant bickering with catchers with a pitch clock looming. Load the BP with two year deals and go for it now.
I cant stop laughing….. and at the same time throwing up in my mouth……..
As a Braves fan I’d much rather have my favorite team face Verlander at this point than deGrom who always seemed to dominate and strikeout 10+ thru the lineup.
Agree w/you Fred, but that last Friday night start in Atlanta when DeGrom gave up those 3 homers was a nice way for the Braves to say bye to Jake as a Met.
Are the winter meetings in Colorado because some GMs seem to be smoking some seriously whacked weed this week!
Can’t wait until Justin compares his NY taxes with his Texas taxes.
Much smarter than the DeGrom deal.
Great signing, t.v sales will be off the charts. Now if the Mets swoop in to grab Judge, yes will become extinct. Each start the aces go to compete to be the best, neither Max ,or Justin has any give. The next two years the Mets will be on fire. 90 million off the books after that, but what a ride till then. I’d love to see them get Judge.
After losing deGrom, Uncle Steve needed to make this move. I got this prediction wrong as I had Verlander re-signing with Houston, but I did predict Rodon to sign with the Mets, which I still think will happen.
Next order of business!! Re-sign Nimmo.
Time will tell, but I think the Mets were wiser to give the money to Verlander than to deGrom. Verlander got stronger as the season progressed. Jacob’s effectiveness declined as the season progressed, after only a few weeks on the bump.
Yeah but that was coming off of the IL. Now deGrom has months to work on his conditioning. And more than a few years younger than JV.
Given deGrom’s multiple injuries, I’d still bet on Verlander.
Cohen saves a bit of coin as both Sherzie and Verlie can grab the early bird discount over at Denny’s at 4:30 before heading to the park. Not as much pregame spread needs to be laid out.
They get the senior discount on top of that.
If Scherzer stays healthy that’s a damn good 1-2 for the Mets. I’m shocked he didn’t re-sign with the Astros.
Citi Field is more of a pitcher’s park than Minute Maid, so there’s that.
I’m surprised he didn’t try to match or top Scherzer’s AAV.
43 mil for a 40 year old pitcher and a 38 year old pitcher. If Father Time hits the Mets, the next two year could be really messed up for them.
Fun fact – 2014 tigers had five cy young winners and 8 wins on their staff. Verlander and scherzer (3 each) Porcello, David price and Robbie Ray. That’s crazy
Sad to see gone from Houston but maybe with career winding down wanted to pitch with Scherzer his buddy in Detroit and whom he wanted money like. Still NO guarantee on Houston and their rotation without him. Framber had a fantastic season, Javier also Urquidy and Garcia iffy at best to me. They need to step it up. Hunter looked good but a season in the majors is he totally ready. Will Houston get someone else out there. Ones that are not high up pitchers. More money too for outfield and perhaps catching. Also with pitching McCullers not great in playoffs. Not great in what season work had but kept us in those games. Maybe he can return to form but not sure with his injury coming off from
Rodon probably looking at Yankees with fact he wants 6 years at 30 mil.
All I can say is, it’s not going to be a pretty noise in the Bronx if Cashman lets all the best available pitchers go elsewhere and then he loses Judge and doesn’t compensate credibly for the loss. So far, Cashman has shown a great facility for treading water while wasting money. Prove me wrong, Brian. Please.
Definitely agree Fink.
Don’t worry! if he doesn’t sign any big guys he’ll be sure to deplete his ny farm system to get washed players.
Dont worry, Cashman signed the lesser known Sigfried Verlander from the Dutch Professional Fast Pitch Softball League to a multi year contract… Matt Blake will have him throwing 80 MPH by Opening Day.
A big bite in the A$$ to follow.
Nice, now Mets fans will have two future HOFs to boo in the playoffs.
Jesus, $86 million per year locked into two super old arms with tons of mileage. The Met’s CBT payroll is now at $289M and they still need to sign at least one more starter, Nimmo or anothrr center fielder, and at least two bullpen arms. How high is their payroll going to get? They are definitely setting the record for highest payroll ever by a country mile this season. Think we see a $340M payroll which is absurd, to likely come in 2nd place again in their division lol.
And with the tax – any player they sign now is basically at double the cost (90% of any additional).
As an M’s fan I complete support this signing by the Mets. Watching Verlander pitch against Seattle was usually pretty depressing for us.
Ok, now that they have their 2nd Ace they still need at least 1 more (Senga or Taillon) I would go with, than worry about what’s happening with CF if not resigning Nimmo, than either sign Bellinger or trade for Bryan Reynolds, than DH either JD Mart or Luke Voit
Over/under 325 million opening day payroll for the Mets?
Not surprised at all by this. I think Houston had a shot, but they had to address other needs. The rotation will still be solid and now they can focus on filling other gaps.
Best of luck to JV & a sincere thank you for everything you’ve done for the Astros!
I sure hope for the Mets aquiring Verlander gets them a World Series ring. Other than that its a huge amount of wasted money.
Phillies still better than the Mets –
As a Brave’s fan, I am actually glad the Met’s signed Verlander for such ludicrous money, versus signing Rodon. I was most afraid of them signing Rodon who is almost as good but much younger and cheaper. Rodon would have been the much more prudent signing imo.
As is, the Mets are once again trotting out a very old rotation, dependent on a 39 and 40 year old arm this season, at $86.6 million per year total (LOL). Scherzer has pitched a total of 2,815.1 innings in his career. Verlander has a pitcher a total 3,370.2 innings in his career. Those are ridiculous numbers of innings.
It’s not wise to continue counting on old players, especially at that price.
As long as the Mets continue to go old, I am not as worried.
Maybe Rick Porcello was a bit quick in announcing his retirement. The Mets seem to have an affinity for older, former Detroit Tigers pitchers.
I could name 10 pitchers I’d rather give the ball to in a game 7 than a soon to be 40 Justin Verlander.. and none of them would cost 43 million. Absolutely terrible business decision from a terrible organization.
Unbelievably smart deal for the Mets. The goal all along was to keep these contracts as short as possible so to free up payroll quickly enough to get the biggest name in baseball, they will make Ohtani the first 50 million dollar a year baseball player. Mets have a huge hard on for Ohtani and rightfully so, at this point I see Ohtani as good a pitcher as JV, Sherzer and deGrom. Great to see smart business decision making even if others don’t see it.
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Scherzer, Verlander, Carrasco – Id sign Johnny Cueto and Cole Hamels, the oldest rotation in MLB
Great ballplayer, but this is terrible contract for the mets. I was at 1 yr for 20-25 $MM. Only 2 teams were dumb enough to pay him this much and those both teams are the ones where the owners run the show. Mets and Astros. Everyone knows this thats why his agents were zeroing in on them…… Everyone else is too smart.
Wow, that’s crazy money for an old man. Hope he holds up. Cannot believe how much these guys are being offered nowadays.
This is an amazing market. The extraordinarily gifted deGrom, who is also the often injured deGrom signs for five years/$180, he’s replaced by JVR (who was born in Reagan’s first term) for crazy money, and Boras is expecting his 110 IP/year pitcher will get 6/$180? All three are impressive when they make it out to the mound, but….
Thank Godzilla! Now all the Mets fans can stop crying about the rangers.
That’s a lot of cabbage.
Now Mets just need to convince Porcello to come out of retirement and sign Anibal to put the Tigers reunion in full swing.
This is like when Mark O’Connor joined with Steve Morse and the Dregs in 1981.
Whoa, Dregs reference – are you familiar with Flying Colors? Dave LaRue · Neal Morse · Mike Portnoy · Casey McPherson · Steve Morse
I wonder if the plan isn’t (or shouldnt) to focus on acquiring players whose contracts will all be two years or less. Allow the payroll to get out of hand but just for the two years while they build up the organization.
The should be able to get some fairly good arms for the bull pen that way, and maybe even another solid starter.
Not going to get Nimmo back though.
Stevie Cohen’s beautiful money.
This has got to stop.
If not resigning deGrom, then the next best option was JV on a 2 yr deal. LGM!
Excellant signing and at a terrific contract. I wish my Yankees did that…but we signed Cashman for another 4 years…lol
Verlander and Scherzer reunite. Good deal for the Mets, I like what they did short term. So much for the Dodgers signing Verlander.
Too bad. The Tigers play the Mets in May. Would have been a good game, especially with the Tigers trading right afterwards…..they should have matched the offer.
Baseball is less today for lack hiring nthe Superfife. No vision of what is fun…..
Bingo!!! I’m almost perfect in free agency predictions so far
No one player is worth 43.3 mil, not even Shohei Ohtani.
Ok, well maybe Shohei Ohtani
Lol
It’s getting way past ridiculous. We’re maybe 5 years away from someone getting 10 years and 600 mil. Hope fans enjoy paying $60 for a hot dog.
Man do I have news for you..
Soto is easily worth 500m 10 years
Well, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but did you look at his stats last year?
$86 million for two pictures in their 40s. Insane and prone to blow up in their face.
Verlander is a old school guy.. I hate hate him but he’s worth more than Scherzer, Cole or Kershaw. He could actually be the last 300 game winner. That would make me physically Sick but you got to give it to him. At 40 he’s the best starter in the game. It’s borderline ridiculous
Not a bad signing. I thought for sure he’d get 3 years, but maybe at a lower AAV,
It baffles me the Astros weren’t in on this… I wonder if Verlander would have accepted the two year deal with the AAV and a team option for the third. Either way, it feels like the Astros could have easily swung this… Disappointing, but I think the rotation will be fine. Time to address other needs, I guess.
Meanwhile, the return the Tigers got for Verlander continue to be complete garbage. Daz C. and J. Rogers were overrated for their alleged defense, and neither could/can hit their way out of a paper bag. They are both junk. F. Perez would require TJ surgery if he tried to tear his way out of a paper bag. One day, he may be a 32-year-old rookie.
Hopefully, Wonderboy will allocate resources better than his predecessors, who thought overpaying for Jordan Zimmerman made a lot more sense than overpaying for Max or JV. Letting 2 Hall of Famers go and making one of the worst free agent signings ever was “rebuilding.”.
Avila had to ditch JV…they were having trouble making payroll….the same thing that happened with Monaghan who was borrowing from the league and almost got the franchise moved out of Detroit.. “Wonder Boy” is right….he signed Boyd back from the scrap pile for $10M when I doubt anybody offered him more than $3M and he cut Hittin Harold and Willi to sign a couple nobodies for the 40-man….he and Hinch are Batman (“let the pitch get deep for more flyballs”) and Robin (as in spend that pizza money while there still is some).
Remember, Mets fans: Thou shalt not covet thy pitcher’s wife.
But seriously, congrats on landing JV. Mr. C ain’t playing around.
Do the Mets have an overall plan as opposed to building a generic ‘good team’?
If their CBT payroll is limited to $330m (w/ JV it’s already $289m), they won’t best Atlanta for the division so they need to build a team specifically for a 4-round postseason:
Assume arguendo a team built to get to the World Series will be good enough to get to the postseason via a wildcard spot. It then needs to be able to put at least three strong starters out there in each of four postseason series.
Add at least two extremely good setup men to reach Diaz and hope to get to and win the WS on 6 strong arms and a respectable offense.
This recipe has worked before. They can fake CF with Canha, McNeil (not Marte–don’t wreck his season to squeeze out a couple of runs saved on defense), and a glove gazelle in the 5th or 6th OFer spot. Give McNeil some time in LF (since Guillorme and Escobar can handle 2B) depending on who’s pitching, and otherwise fake LF w/ Baty and Vientos. Presume, reasonably, that Baty, Vientos, and as of midseason Alvarez, boost the offense. Thank Ruf but he doesn’t have a spot on the 26-man roster.
Aim for 88 wins in era of the 6-seed postseason. 88 should be enough, and you can always react to exigencies at the deadline. Load manage in extremis (which necessarily cuts your seasonal win total) given your old pitching, and since you’re already well past the 4th LT threshold with even the most cost-effective upgrades after JV there’s no reason to stint as in 2022 at the Deadline.
—I’d much rather have Verlander than deGrom, if we’re talking dollars per WAR over their entire deals AND if we’re talking WAR over 2023 AND the ability to throw 4-5 good starts in the 2023 postseason. Nice pickup. Now get Rodon or a comparable arm for the #3 postseason rotation slot.
Even Babe Ruth in his prime is not worth that kind of money. When will the contract madness stop?
@mazbilleroski And even though it’s not my money, it does take some of the fun out of the game. Some of the vigor, too. It’s routine for guys to gingerly avoid contact to keep their shot at the next big contract intact.
Multi-millionaire ‘opponents’ chatting with big smiles during what you and I might have thought were critical games reminds us that, to them, it’s more theater than it is a contest.
The Mets and their fans didn’t take long to send a ‘funk you’ to DeGrom.
Good for Verlander. He is a lock for the Hall of Fame. He has championships. Now he is making as much money as he can.
Verlander has little man syndrome. Rumor has it he was begging to have the highest contract so scherzer wouldn’t be higher than him.
6′ 5″ with little man syndrome. That’s a new one.
So, I imagine, is your “rumor.”
m.youtube.com/watch?v=v1XGLa1oNaI
Mrs. Verlander’s response to you
Imagine having a net worth of 200 million dollars and being married to Kate Upton but having little man syndrome. I mean, I guess it can be.
If I had 200 million dollars, I could be married to Kate Upton or some equivalent
I mean, I guess it can be.
I asked if 39-40 is an “old man” compared to say, 70 and it posted 4 times.. Are the servers here older than me? :-O
Mets may have the best 5 inning rotation in baseball.
Ten years ago, the Mets would have an impressive rotation. They need to go to a six man rotation.