In a shocking development, Carlos Correa has agreed to join the Mets for a 12-year, $315MM contract, Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports. Correa had previously agreed to a 13-year, $350MM deal with the Giants, yet reports surfaced yesterday that an unknown issue with Correa’s medicals had led to a postponement of the Giants’ introductory press conference for the shortstop. The 28-year-old Correa is represented by the Boras Corporation, and his deal with the Mets will become official once he passes a physical.
As Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle tweets, the “Giants flagged something in [Correa’s] physical and doctors disagreed.” Slusser also reported yesterday that Correa’s back wasn’t the issue, though back soreness has sent the former All-Star to the injured list on multiple occasions during his career.
Whatever the Giants took issue with in Correa’s physical, obviously the problem wasn’t enough to deter the Mets from adding yet another high-priced star to their already loaded roster (and payroll). Mets owner Steve Cohen said last week that the team made a late bid of around $300MM to land Correa, but that offer was turned down by agent Scott Boras since talks with the Giants had already reached an advanced stage.
As it turned out, that late attempt from Cohen was seemingly all Boras needed to secure another mega-deal for his client quickly after the agreement with San Francisco fell apart. As Cohen told Heyman, “we kind of picked up where we were before and it just worked out” over the course of four or five hours’ worth of extra negotiations.
Correa’s new contract with New York is one year shorter and worth slightly less in average annual value ($26.25MM with the Mets compared to $26.92MM with the Giants). It is also “only” now the 10th-largest contract in baseball history in terms of total value, while the $350MM deal with San Francisco was the fourth-largest in history.
Still, the deal handily surpasses MLBTR’s projection of a nine-year, $288MM pact for Correa. Like the structure of the original Giants contract as well as other deals signed by Xander Bogaerts and Trea Turner this winter alone, the longer length allows the team to spread out the luxury-tax hit over more years, while the player still gets his money as well as extra security. The Mets themselves used a version of this strategy in re-signing Brandon Nimmo to an eight-year, $162MM deal, as Nimmo’s tax number is $20.25MM. Correa now joins Nimmo and Francisco Lindor as Mets players signed beyond the 2029 season, though the Mets’ expenditures this winter have varied widely in length.
The overall numbers of the Mets’ spending spree continue to stagger. Assuming Correa’s contract pays him $26.25MM in each year of the deal, the Amazins’ payroll will now soar past the $377MM mark for 2023. Having already far surpassed the fourth and highest tier ($293MM) of Competitive Balance Tax penalties, New York is paying a 90% tax on every dollar spent beyond the $293MM threshold. That works out to roughly $23.62MM added to the Mets’ tax bill, thus putting their luxury tax number over $386MM.
Correa, Nimmo, Justin Verlander, Edwin Diaz, Kodai Senga, Jose Quintana, David Robertson, Adam Ottavino, and Omar Narvaez represent the star-studded list of free agents signed and re-signed by New York this offseason alone, to say nothing of their previous big splashes since Cohen bought the team just over two years ago. Needless to say, Cohen has established new standards for spending, as the owner has made no qualms about his desire to immediately make the Mets as competitive as possible. The result was a 101-win season in 2022, but the Amazins didn’t make it past the first round of the expanded playoffs, losing to the Padres in three games in the Wild Card Series.
The Correa signing “really makes a big difference,” Cohen said. “I felt like our pitching was in good shape. We needed one more hitter. This puts us over the top.”
Indeed, most of the Mets’ focus had been on revamping a rotation and bullpen that was full of free agents. While Diaz and Ottavino were re-signed, plenty of holes had to be filled after Jacob deGrom, Chris Bassitt, Taijuan Walker, Seth Lugo, Joely Rodriguez, Trevor Williams, Trevor May, and Mychal Givens all signed elsewhere. Nimmo was the biggest pending free agent on the position player side, and Narvaez should help bolster the catching corps, but Cohen and GM Billy Eppler weren’t going to curb their aggressiveness.
To this end, one of baseball’s best shortstops in Correa now won’t even be a shortstop, as Correa will now move to third base in deference to Lindor. Correa won a Platinum Glove, Gold Glove, and Fielding Bible Award for his work at shortstop just in 2021, and his professional experience at third base consists of one game with the Astros’ Double-A affiliate in 2015. That said, Lindor is an excellent fielder in his own right, and the Outs Above Average and UZR/150 public metrics prefer his glovework at shortstop to Correa’s over the course of their careers. There isn’t much doubt that Correa should be able to translate well to the hot corner, thus improving the Mets’ defense as well as the impact he’ll bring to the lineup.
With Correa now the new third baseman, Eduardo Escobar is suddenly out of a starting job. It wasn’t even 13 months ago that Escobar was one of New York’s big signings of the 2021-22 offseason, as he inked a two-year, $20MM deal. Escobar was decent if unspectacular, hitting .240/.295/.430 with 20 homers for a 106 wRC+ over 542 plate appearances in his first year in Queens.
“Decent if unspectacular” wasn’t enough for a team so intent on winning, however, and thus Escobar could now join Luis Guillorme as infield depth. It stands to reason that the Mets could explore trading Escobar (and the $10MM remaining on his deal) to a team in need of a dependable veteran infielder, or New York could simply keep Escobar as a backup option in the event of an injury to Correa or starting second baseman Jeff McNeil.
Looking further down the depth chart, top prospect Brett Baty is also a third baseman, as is Mark Vientos (ranked by MLB Pipeline as the seventh-best minor league in New York’s farm system). Baty has gotten some time as an outfielder and now might be viewed as a possible replacement for Canha in left field, while Vientos might be destined for a move off third base anyway, with first base potentially being his ultimate spot on the field. With Correa now locked into the hot corner, however, there seems an increased possibility that the Mets could shop either of these prospects for other upgrades.
Today’s news marks the latest twist in a controversy-filled career for Correa, largely tied to his participation on the 2017 Astros team that won a World Series championship later clouded by the sign-stealing scandal. Correa’s time in Houston ended when he signed a three-year, $105.3MM deal with the Twins last winter, though that shorter-than-expected contract was designed to allow a quick return to the free agency. Correa had opt-out clauses after both the 2022 and 2023 campaigns, and he exercised that first opt-out to re-enter the market in an offseason that wasn’t interrupted by the lockout.
Correa hit .291/.366/.467 with 22 homers over 590 plate appearances in his lone season in Minnesota, with a 140 wRC+ that stands as the third-highest of his eight MLB seasons. Coming off a strong platform year and still being younger than most free agents once they reach the open market, Correa had every expectation of finally landing the pricey long-term contract he initially wanted last year.
The result was two pricey, long-term contracts, with the Mets swooping in to take Correa away from the Giants. It’s probably wise to not totally assume Correa’s pact with the Mets is a done deal until the physical is passed and an official announcement is made, given the stunning nature of the last 24 hours. Yesterday’s reports of a delay certainly raised red flags about the status of Correa’s agreement with San Francisco, but with an absence of any concrete news, there wasn’t yet any reason to believe that Correa wouldn’t still eventually end up in the Bay Area.
Instead, the Giants’ winter plans have now been dealt an almost unfathomable setback. The Giants slumped to an 81-81 record after their 107-win season in 2021, leaving president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi in search of a major acquisition. San Francisco has lots of payroll space and lots of needs around the roster to accommodate at least one new superstar, and there seemed little doubt that the Giants were lining up to make the first true blockbuster signing of Zaidi’s four-year tenure.
Aaron Judge was clearly the top priority heading into the offseason, and the Giants reportedly offered Judge around $360MM before the AL MVP took that same salary over a nine-year deal to re-sign with the Yankees. With Judge off the board, San Francisco then turned to the shortstop market, with Correa emerging as their top target (ahead of Turner, Bogaerts, or Dansby Swanson). The $350MM deal represented the biggest contract in franchise history, and a resounding counter to any argument that the Giants’ front office was unwilling or unable to land top-tier free agents.
It isn’t exactly true that the Giants are back to square one, since they’ve also signed Mitch Haniger, Ross Stripling, and Sean Manaea in free agency, and Joc Pederson was retained via the qualifying offer. But, Carlos Rodon left the team to also sign with the Yankees, removing another star from the 2022 roster. The league-wide rush on free agent signings has left the market bare of most of the top names, and so Zaidi and company will now have to explore the trade market (and possibly make some tough decisions on trading top prospects) in order to acquire another big-ticket star….if one is even necessarily available.
Speculatively, the Giants could try to wield their payroll space in a different manner, perhaps by offering a deal for both a star player and an undesirable contract on a team looking to cut spending. With over three months until Opening Day, there’s plenty of time left for the Giants to still make moves, and yet it’s hard to imagine they can make an addition anywhere near Correa’s level.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images
Originally posted at 2:05am.
Not a great off-season for Zaidi. He might need the trade market to save face.
If this is a prank, MLBTR, it’s a good one.
I was honestly thinking the exact same thing. Then I was wondering if someone put something in my beer.
I’m going to sleep.
If so, it’s a cruel one
December 21st is the new April 1st. Just a day ago, I posted “Why did Cohen say this?” It seemed like it would only upset the other owners and maybe a couple of his players. Well, I guess that it does not matter now, because he DID it.
I remember that one Manny haha. It’s been 10 years today since the world was supposed to end so I suppose Cohen was merely celebrating.
I guess Cohen made a new contract, coffee, a new assistant to get Correa.
Straight bonkers!
Farhan Zaidi looks like a total JackAsss here because whatever he didn’t like about Correa’s medicals didn’t seem to stop the Mets from immediately giving Carlos Correa 315M / 12
Farhan and the Giants are finished with Boras clients. Also players talk. This looks really bad for Frisco
Too early to tell who will look bad on this one. Cohen had no problem dumping Kumar Rocker based on medical reports. So let’s wait and see what additional information comes out. Still, “Wow!” I had 13 correct in the contest, but now I am back down to 12. (Correct: 1-Judge, 2-Trea, 3-deGrom, 4-Nimmo, 5-W. Contreras, 6-Rizzo, 7-Kershaw, 8-R. Montero, 9-T. Anderson, 10-Pederson, 11-Robertson and 12-Ottavino)
We need to get rid of Farhan. And it’s not ‘Frisco’, that’s a town in Colorado.
It’s actually a pretty decent city next to Dallas where the cowboys practice and the MLS team plays.
It also hosts a CFB Bowl game every year and has the Frisco RoughrRidgers, the AA affiliate of the Rangers
How could they ever be players on the FA market and be done w boras ??
Ask Atlanta.
2 to 3 years down the road Giants fans will be glad Correa signed with the Mets. Stings now. Money can be better spent elsewhere.
Bottom line. Don’t “f” around with Boras. Epps and him have each other on speed dial for sure.
Or it may show how reckless the Mets are.
I too see it as reckless. It’s like they are spending to spend.
Or he might get his client 35 million less.
Is is Zaidi or Cohen that looks like a jack-ass?
Farhan.
In fairness to Farfan, Cohen appears to be a lunatic who’s expensive strategy has netted nothing more than an early exit from the playoffs.
In fairness to Cohen he hasn’t had the team long and he didn’t have much to start with. Third best record in baseball and playing meaningful games in the fall is pretty good in 2 years.
Fair.
Didn’t stop the Twins from making another offer either.
Cohen ruining baseball at this point
This is the most insane timeline. I joked about this earlier today and now it’s come true. Even as a Mets fan that’s getting more used to this crazy spending I have to say I am more than shocked.
The Wilpon’ could have never, ever done this. I’m a Mets fan and I’m wondering how this will go over in Boston, they used to do things like this and they haven’t since Sale was signed few years ago. Anyone be know why?
No one could do this. Not even the Steinbrenner Yankees. This is unprecedented.
@VonPurpleHayes In effective terms, the closest I can get are the Yankees teams of the 1950s, when they used Kansas City as their personal farm system.
In addition to their actual farm system.
I don’t like what Cohen’s doing, and he doesn’t know how to build a team, but this doesn’t feel any worse than the above example.
Fair point actually.
I can’t recall specifics of the 50’d but the Yanks used Cleveland and KC in the early 70s. As far as Boston, the team is more than just the Sox now and is looking more global with their brand.
Closest I can compare this to is ARod to the Yanks after the Boston trade fell through. But that was a trade.
I don’t dislike Cohen Jack, but a good portion of my enjoyment from baseball, all sports, is watching the kids grow into ML players.
The world series or bust fans have Yankee fans living rent free in their heads.
@SCarton12 Well said, compadre. Well said.
@JackStrawb: How is it Cohen does not know how to build a team? He just did without trading a single significant long term asset. Right now as we stand, he’s addressed short term stakes while maintaining longterm stakes. That’s exactly what all teams should be doing – the difference is that Cohen is 2% of 2% wealthy and tolerate losing a lot of money if necessary.
Used KC in the 70’s? You’re like a few decades off bud.
I didn’t see George Brett wearing pinstripes.
@SunnyMet: Who cares how it goes over in Boston? They dealt with Bill Buckner in ’86, they’ll deal with this now.
Oh boy
As a Giants fan, I’m genuinely speechless. What the hell
Oh come on now
OMFG THIS IS TRUE IF BIG
I think you mean THIS IS BIG IF TRUE. Annnnnd, that’s what she said.
This will make the next Mets choke job even more spectacular…
lol
This must be a major gut punch for many SF fans. Just when you thought you’ve seen it all…
This is definitely not what I expected to see when I came to the site tonight
Most definitely. I’ve been checking in MLBTR more often than usual, assuming it would work itself out, and then this happens…
And when Correa misses 40 games in 2023 and his decline is steep after the next couple of years… but sure, Steve, why not carry another $26m a year on the books for 2029=2034?
If he spends like this, he wouldn’t give a sheet.
Um, what?
Amazing. A one year, $35 million discount. Boras blinked! Clearly, money means nothing to Cohen, will be interesting to learn what the medical issue is that spooked Farhan.
that issue is made up. correa wanted to go to the mets and this was his way of getting out of the giants deal.
If it was Correa who wanted out, why is the story that the Giants flagged a medical issue? Correa/Boras can’t just make that up, because it can easily be disproven, and make them look AWFUL — potentially even ruining Boras’ reputation.
It sounds more likely to me that, if the medical issue isn’t “real” that the Giants got cold feet on their investment and used something minor as an excuse to back out, and Cohen jumped at it.
Correa didn’t back out, the Giants failed to execute the agreement they made. Once they backed out, Boras found another team willing to sign his client.
It’s not a discount between state/city taxes in San Fran Correa will pocket more money over the length of the deal than he would off Giants contract.
In San Francisco, employers pay the local income tax. I have an office off California and Sansome and I hate forking out 1.5% on top of all the other taxes in that town. Thinking about moving that office across the bay.
did the Giants dodge a bullet?
Yes lol
They only dodged a bullet if Correa’s medical condition was real, and I doubt it was.
They dodged a bullet if Correa doesn’t become basically the first shortstop ever to not experience degraded skills and health in his 30s and early 40s.
Well, not a SS, but rather a 3Bman. The move might actually help Correa stay on the field.
This news was worth staying up past my bedtime for. Kudos to Mark for being on the ball at such an obscene hour!
So what do the Giants do now after this? Make a play at a major trade(or trades), try for any of the rest of the top free agents, or save up for Ohtani next season?
They can trade for Eduardo Escobar. lol
@Peterv Funny, but there is NO chance that happens.
There isn’t really a move to make
The farm is limited. I love the idea of Ohtani in SF, but you have to be competitive to get him there. I don’t see a trade that moves the needle for them to finish better than third. Reynolds isn’t cutting it. I doubt Jose Ramirez is available. All the Giants fans in my wife’s family are bummed.
They have nothing to trade, and there isn’t a chance in hell that Ohtani signs even if the giants offer 100 million more than anyone else. This club won’t compete for a decade and no one wants to join a loser. That’s why Correa got himself out of this deal, clearly he felt like he was fooled. Probably thought the Giants would sign some more good players instead of the crap they ended up signing.
Probably best at this point for the Giants just to fill out the roster and wait until next offseason.
In the meantime try to add prospects with midseason trades and by taking on contracts (e.g. Donaldson and Hicks from the Yankees). Otherwise
Giants dodged a major bullet.
Oh, 13 years down to 12 years. Still, good luck with that injury prone player lol
Correa might not be fit enough to play SS for SF but okay to play 2B for NYM!?!?!?
3B it seems more like
He’s playing 3B like he does with Lindor on Team PR.
Uncle Steve has gone full Steinbrenner. How fun this is for Mets fans.
Son…
Unbelievable. Giants continue to break my heart. I don’t give a damn if the dude has scoliosis, he would’ve been worth the contract just with tickets and merchandise alone…. Now ticket prices are going up again and there’s no stars on the field….
Best $25 garlic fries I’ve ever had though. Enjoy another season of Brandon Crawford and Joc Pederson.
Only $7 @ Dodger Stadium and you get them in a mini helmet!
Find smtg more productive to do with your time and resources then
This is ridiculous. An absurd kind of spending must be stopped. Not just for Mets, but for everyone. Maybe another huge drop of TV ratings and loss of fans in the stands give MLB a hint that there is something very wrong with current financial and economic system.
@Darth, “absurd spending”……….which free agents did the Mets sign that other teams weren’t in on for about the same price? None. Which free agents did the Mets sign that didn’t replace an existing outgoing free agent? Just Correa. The Mets paid market price for players to improve the team and that is upsetting to the other 29 teams and their fans because…..it’s not fair……nobody ever said baseball is fair. Steve Cohen has t done anything wrong, and if 29 other teams and their fans want him to stop, sounds like he is doing a lot of things right!!
New sign for the Flushing, Queens, exit off the Grand Central Parkway:
“Evil Empire 1-1/2 miles”
I believe that is the biggest fear most commenters have, that the evil empire is now in queens instead of the Bronx, that the Mets will be better than the Yankees for the foreseeable future.
I’m a Yankee fan. Of course, we’re concerned!
@dogdays2 I’m a Dodger fan, it’s concerning to me only from a “the Mets are going to be good, really good” standpoint. I find Cohen entertaining, I don’t think it’s “bad for the game”. It’s the natural order of things that the Dodgers must be better than the Angels and in NY, the Yankees, Giants, Rangers and Knicks have to be better than the Mets, Jets, Islanders and Nets….new works for the baseball side
I didn’t say it was bad for the game, I’m just saying I’m concerned the Mets will be good for a long time.
However, I do think something should be put in place , not a ceiling because that will never be approved but at least a floor so that the lower teams have to at least spend the revenue share on players.
Competition is good imo. I don’t really care that the Mets are better than the Yankees. Both the Dodgers and Astros have already been better. Can’t control what other teams do. The Mets will be very fun to watch.
This Yankee fan isn’t worried that they’ll stop spending money. I’m worried that they’ll keep a GM who spends it unwisely for an owner who then gets antsy about the luxury tax after squandering big money on ill-advised contracts.
If this is Cohen’s way to get back at DeGrom leaving because ‘he felt Texas had a plan to win,’ he’s proved his point. Now they just actually have to win it all.
@padam Too bad they still don’t know how to assemble a postseason starting rotation, though, while shepherding it through the regular season.
Why so salty, Jack?
Two of the starters have multiple cy young’s and rings – one of them coming off both just last year. If that’s not knowing how to assemble a post season rotation, I’m with stupid then.
What trade? lol.
my comment above no longer makes sense because the guy deleted his comment and for some reason i cant delete mine
lets wait if this is true, its 3 20 am and this broke and nothing else i have seen or watched is even mentioning this, not much shocks me but this does, but ya, lets wait, this may be fake.
Amanda, This came straight from Heyman! Might as well have been the burning bush!
Cohen signing players like he’s Thanos collecting Infinity Stones.
angt222
How did that work out for Thanos in the end?
Blip
Well, he won…. he may have went down the next year but flags fly forever.
they have Francisco Lindor, so hes no longer their SS? ‘ confused”
Correct. He is their brand spankin new Third Baseman!
Correa would play 3B
A good reason to wake up Mark!
Cohen is going to be the reason the league institutes a cap or a similar system. Regardless on where you stand on the topic, there is no reason why the gap in payroll between the bottom 3 teams and the top 3 should be this massive.
how about – the gap between the mets and the 2nd highest payroll team is now enormous,
You exist for our pleasure.
.
(***meaning the A’s, Rays, and Cleveland)
The bottom three teams will receive a benefit the Mets penalty though, they get money from this.
…and they won’t spend it on players.
The Mets are now on their own level, pretty much sprnding double what the 2nd place team does.
Still need a DH.
legite question,
can mlb do this, the way this team spends? i dont mean the luxury tax i mean the commissioner actually nixing this deal because of the sheer amount of taxes fees press etc that the mets will face?
It wouldn’t be the first time an MLB commissioner has used their executive power to nix a deal/trade. I can’t think of a better time to use it again than this. We’re talking 400-500M territory after taxes. The Dodgers and Yankees get flak just for sniffing 250M.
This won’t get vetoed unless there was tampering
No one did anything when the Yankees had double the payroll of the next closest team. They’re certainly not going to do it now.
Red Sox and Yankee fans crying about another owner spending too much?
This is an interesting change of events.
A’s fan is right on!!
Better than being a fan of a team whose owner doesn’t even care.
Not if it’s within the rules.
Funny how they thought ‘the Cohen Tax’ was prohibitive, somehow, when Cohen had 10+ billion more than the next crew.
It’s interesting because the Mets may actually be losing money at this point.
Cohen has already admitted to it before Correa’s signing. His hedge fund is doing great though.
I thought the commissioner’s office made it known that they would void San Diego’s 14 year/$400M contract offer to Judge, should it have been tendered and accepted.
So if this is the case than it represents what goes too far. Although in that case I reckon it was simply a too-blatent attempt at lowering the AAV for luxury tax avoidance; I suppose a 10 year contract for the same value would have been OK.
Time for the Phillies to trade Bohm, Carshield and a couple prospects for Devers. Also while at it might as well sign Kimbrel and Eovaldi. After all its a Dombro/Cohen World and the Mets owner must be the richest person in the World. You can buy a Team for their players salaries combined!
Phillies don’t need to be as ludicrous as the Mets. It’s not a sustainable model for them. There’s only one Steve Cohen.
Yea some Phillies and Braves fans are definitely worried and want to keep up with the Mets. Both Phillies and Braves aren’t off the right path in their trajectories and shouldn’t be worried about the Mets until
October.
@SocoComfort: As a braves fan, I am not worried about the Mets in the slightest. On paper does their team looks crazy? Yes. Will it translate into the teams chemistry? Who knows. It’s super fun to see an owner spend like this, but I’m curious to see how this spending affects the team long term . It has a Bonilla feeling to it in my opinion.
But hey, if they win a world series or 2 then either way im sure fans will say it was worth it. It is pretty cool seeing an owner spend like this.
I can’t stand the Mets, but I have no idea how a fan of a team in their division isn’t concerned both today and for the future.
With all due respect, it’s delusional.
The Braves still have a better team than the Mets. The Mets have $80M invested in two old starting pitchers and then I believe a bit under $40M in Marte and Nimmo who’ll both more than likely spend chunks on the IL. Now they sign Carlos Correa who has very underwhelming numbers for a guy that just got paid like he did. Like I said before the Mets still won’t win anything.
It’s not that you don’t respect the Mets talent, but you can’t run your team into the ground because the Mets have an owner with ungodly amounts of resources. Phillies and Braves are both lucky enough to have owners who spend, but they can’t play Cohen’s game. They need to stick to their own plans.
The Mets basically were a game away from the Braves last year. The Mets choked, Credit to Braves for winning the division.
But clearly, the Mets are now a much better team than in 2022. Hoping for injuries isn’t really sound analysis in my opinion.
Ha, you mean Bohm, Painter and Crawford?
Not that I agree with the trade proposal, but Red Sox fans need to lower their expectations. Devers is a rental. The Sox are not going to get a large return, especially if they hold on to him until the deadline.
VPH
I would not be shocked to learn that Preller is already thinking about sending Merrill and Rosario to Boston for Devers.
I can totally see this.
Phillies don’t need Devers and shouldn’t trade their top prospects for him. Their offense is fine. They need to strenghten their bullpen & maybe add another starter. Don’t need to react to the Mets spending stupid money
Exactly. You can ignore the Mets. Let them go nuts. It may work. It may not. Phillies need to stay on their own path.
Phanatic
Ummm, . . . . did you see Kimbrel? The Phillies shouldn’t want him for league minimum.
Try more like both top pitching prospects and bohm
@Big whiffa The Red Sox aren’t going to get a big return for a player that’s a FA at the end of the season. They’ll be lucky to get 1 prospect.
Hmmmm. Ohtani has one more year, Soto had half a year, one prospect you say. Devers would command a pretty good haul for one year, as well as a half a year rental.
@luclusciano – Juan Soto had two and a half years of team control remaining when the Padres got him from the Nationals. Josh Bell was also part of that deal and he was a half year rental.
Ohtani is the best player since Babe Ruth. Soto had more than 1 season of control when he was traded. Devers is a FA in 2024. They longer the Sox hold onto him, the lower the return. Anyone who really wants him can just sign him next season as a FA.
Worst signing ever. Plays maybe a third of the season. Distrustful and sneaky. Overrated
I would think that the Giants would retain some exclusive rights period, sort of like when signing a Letter of Intent, that would allow them to investigate the medical question without having to contend with a competing negotiation.
It’s quite possible the story is much different than how it’s being presented. (Was their really a medical red flag? Did Correa back out?) But if it’s as reported (as vague as it has been), it doesn’t make sense that Correa would negotiate a 12-year contract with the Mets within hours of the medical issue arising—and with the Mets presumably ignoring the purported medical concern.
It’s likely that the Mets deal was already a proposal in place that the Giants beat by going one more year.
So the Mets contract became the deal defaulted to when Correa backed out on SF, assuming both player and Mets agreed to use the existing template. There are surely clauses such as “if the signing team alerts the Player’s Agent to a medical concern by [x], the the Player retains the right to sign elsewhere for 12 hours after the alert….” etc etc etc.
Probably wasn’t a new deal negotiated.
SF likely said, make xyz changes or we walk. Boras picked up the phone, called NYM, and said, you still interested? Last offer still on the table? Mets say yes, Boras says Done!.
giants fans gonna be on suicide watch this holiday season
He’s right. Everyone reach out to a Giants fan in this time of despair. Send your condolences for the 2023 season
Not at all. Just don’t care about them anymore. The team doesn’t care about us. Already can’t afford to take my kid to a game, and I don’t believe for a second that the Giants ever planned to spend money this off-season. I think it’s all collusion for the most part. This stuff I engineered
@Chipsss
PLEASE don’t do it. I will pray for you.
Isnt they already have Lindor at SS, Mcneil at 2nd and Escobar at 3rd?
Well—the first two. Escobar’s on the block, presumably.
They finally figured out that in Mauricio, Baty, and Vientos, they had 3 DHs. Took them long enough given all three average 35 errors pro rated to a full season.
—Did Cohen get a terminal diagnosis or something?
rumor has it he is doing everything he can to get his father in law, a diehard since 1962 that never misses attending a game, a ring before he dies. Hes in his 90s.
McNeil will likely not be extended when the time comes. Escobar may be traded now. Probably for another All-Star.
@niel_marshal The Mets were also pretending that three of their top prospects were 3Bmen.
So, are the Mets at $400 million now? Or they blew way past that? They aren’t the evil empire, they are The First Order. Just making baseball as boring as basketball.
I think they are over 500 with luxury tax…Could be wrong..
this deal actually makes no sense, they didnt even need his position filled
Pure greed.
So the owners are called greedy when they don’t spend enough money and now also when they spend TOO much money? Just admit that you hate the rich for no good reason.
No. That has nothing to do with it. Mets were fine at 3rd base. And despite all the spending, the Mets seemed to be on pace to reset in 3 years. Now after this move, the Mets have no intentions of resetting. Cohen got his splashy new toy that he didn’t need. He got all the headlines. Come on. Even Mets fans have to think this is excessive. Good on Cohen for spending, but these aren’t smart baseball moves anymore. It’s just mass spending.
@von – I as a Mets fan agree, however what some may not understand is that Cohen is the Mets savior after all the years they were outspent by the Yankees, back page press, etc. He’s a Mets fan who now owns them and empathizes with the base.
The spending is ridiculous, and takes away some of the internal growth we all enjoy seeing. He’s making other teams possibly regret some of the spending they themselves have done – which was reasonable compared to this display from Cohen. On the other hand, you have to cheer for Cohen as well since he’s an owner doing what we’d expect owners to do with all the money that comes in – reinvesting it into the team. If we had access to their books and saw Cohen made very little profit with all the signings, would anyone truly complain? I’d suspect other owners would be called out on their “greed.”
He’s basically giving the fans what they want.
@padam: And Cohen is a fan. What’s wrong with giving the fans what he and they want? It’s a lot better than the Wilpons and Katz did the last dozen years.
I sort of agree there, and it’s something I had been warning about for awhile now, but it’s really hard to know what to expect from Cohen at this point since he does have the wealth to weather those luxury tax payments if he so chooses to, as insane as that might sound.
If he does weather those exorbitant payments, there’s no issue. But if he ever decides to cut payroll as a result of all this spending, then I would agree with you. I just don’t know one way or another what the future will bring, so it’s hard to criticize him…yet.
3B was an issue. Now its no longer an issue.
How was it an issue? Escobar’s 2md half numbers were very solid. This is a huge upgrade, don’t get me wrong. But it was excessive. It wasn’t needed.
@ Von, in the corporate world your company is only as good as it’s weakest link, and replacing your weakest link – even if that link is “good” compared to similar position people in other companies, is how companies excel. If the person was a poor performer they are fired and if they were good, just not as good as their replacement they are reassigned to another role. In this case Escobar is “good”, but 3B was one of the Mets weakest links. Correa is better, a strong link in the chain to play 3B and Escobar gets reassigned to a utility role where he can be in the top tier of utility / bench players, a strong link in that role. Cohen has brought corporate logic to the ball field.
Except cost is a real thing. Surely your corporate world would factor that into the need to upgrade?
The only question here is if and when money actually becomes a cost for Cohen. No way to know right now.
@calamityfrancis: And DH is less of an issue as well.
So the Giants expect their fans to come to the ballpark next season and buy $15 beers while they roll out a lineup of nobodies once again? F that they aren’t getting a dollar outta me next year after this embarrassing offseason.
Liam I’m right there with you. The Giants don’t deserve a penny of my money at this point.
But the Giants were obviously willing to spend big. They saw a huge red flag. They did their due diligence. Would you buy a broken car? It’s tough to accept as a fan, but depending on what the issue was, they may have dodged a huge bullet.
Correa agreed to play 3B with NY. For less years and $$! Way to improve the relationship with the greatest SS in franchise history, Brandon Crawford, Kap and Farhan!
I doubt it. I don’t think they ever intended to spend. I fully expect Correa to put up a handful of all star seasons for the Mets during the rest of the 2020’s. I don’t think Correa wanted to play for a franchise with zero hope to win during his tenure, and the Giants knew all along this thing would fall through.
Sign Correa, but in the market looking to deal Carrasco?
Sign Senga, but not Rodon?
The Mets are incoherent, and Cohen’s the fat man staggering into the buffet, grabbing at everything that looks tasty.
The salt is strong with this one.
@Jackstrawb
“Sign Correa, but in the market looking to deal Carrasco?
Sign Correa because he is better than who he replaces, Escobar
Deal Carrasco because Peterson will yield a better ERA+ and team win probability if he has the #5 rotation spot
Sign Senga, but not Rodon?
Sign Senga because of his ace potential and strong health history
Don’t sign Rodon because of his injury history
It all seems perfectly logical.
YOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOWWWWWW
Mets don’t care about medical issues? Haha. Mets officially the super villains of baseball.
Giants website has removed any mention of Correa or the original agreement. Yikes!
I think us Giants fans know what needs to happen in SF
Extension for Farhan
and 5 minutes ago i was hoping the red sox sign greinke, lol
I don’t like the Giants or Mets. So it’s a win win for me.
NY Post has the story, many on Heyman’s twitter thought he was hacked, but apparently he talked to Cohen in Hawaii. said the team needed one more piece. Will play 3rd. amazing
Isn’t that problematic? Talking to a player after he already signed with someone else?
i dont think the giants ever officially signed him
Right, but he was “in agreement.”
Heyman talked to Cohen.
Ohh I see. Thanks Trumbo.
Haymen talked to Cohen is what the former commenter meant.
Thanks Rye.
Not a problem VPH
Looks like the Trash Can Brigade is reuniting in Queens!
I hate the Astros/Carlos Beltran for what they did but sheeesh that joke is getting tired.
HOLY BALLS
McNiel to 1B/UT
Peter to DH/1B
Correa is playing 3B
Whoah.
Escobar about to go bye bye
1958: The Giants crush fans hearts when the franchise leaves town to play in San Francisco and 2 year old Manhattan youngster Steve Cohen vows to get his revenge.
2022: The Mayflower truck quietly leaves San Francisco under the cover of darkness and heads East to Queens
so hes hurt/sick yet he was signed? again, makes no sense, need more info, not just more to come…
i love how you still say stuff about the trashcan stuff, NOBODY cares about that anymore, and if it wasnt for mike fiers, a washed up has-been, that should have kept his mouth shut it never would have gone out. you need to accept that every team has a video screen over their dugout aswell as leading into the clubhouse, you need to get over it.
Lol. Bang bang!
He’s still a cheat. That doesn’t really go away.
I mean… should it?
You guys are upsetting Manda Panda! Bullies!
It’s at times like these (and for all things laptop-related) that a lefty turns to the NYPost…
But this I agree with.
Guys like Jose Canseco and Mike Fiers are whistle-blowers and heroes.
Mike Fiers happily accepted his ring and postseason bonuses. He is not a hero. He’s a clown. At least Canseco said PEDs were used by most of the league. Fiers only went after one team, all the while knowing Beltran is the one that brought it over and Houston was just one of many teams doing it. Fiers was just butt hurt he wasn’t on the World Series roster.
He’s neither a hero or a clown… but he did the right thing.
This probably sounds crazy to most, but I honestly don’t like any of this as a Mets fan.
Yes, it’s baseball so spending a lot won’t guarantee a thing. And I don’t hold anything against Cohen for putting his money where his mouth is in supporting the team. He deserves credit for that. I just don’t enjoy the thought of blowing away other teams in terms of payroll. That scenario bores me even if, as they say, you still have to play the games.
Frankly, I didn’t even care all that much about the lack of spending during the Wilpon years (well, at least those years we were top-10 in spending). My biggest gripe was with how poorly the organization was run from top to bottom. The fans obsessed with payroll were always missing the point. Look at how well the Rays do year in and year out without spending a lick. Being a well-run organization and top-10+ in spending would have been more than enough to be a consistent contender.
Perhaps more importantly, forgetting for a second about what is fair and what isn’t fair, what’s good for the health of the league, etc, fandom doesn’t have rules. Many Mets fans will love this signing, just as they have loved every other signing because it’s not their money. I’m happy for them and the fanbase as a whole. My particular brand of fandom is different. Not better, not worse, just different. Call me an idiot for that if you want.
In any event, it’ll be interesting to see how the league eventually tackles this issue. A cap and floor feel more inevitable by the day.
@SheaGoodbye Well said. As a longtime fan I was repulsed by Cohen’s first year, and relieved by the comparative professionalism of the second year. Results happen, and losing in late September and the first round of the postseason seemed baked into signing an old, expensive team while the farm developed.
But this is different, and there’s an incoherence to it. You have three players ostensibly able to play 3B, and headed there after the Lindor deal, supposedly fitting into your spend now, prospects later plan… but over the last two seasons none of them develop into even adequate gloves at third? And yet you fetishize top prospects anyway, when parting with one at the Deadline would have been extremely wise under the circumstances?
There’s a lack of underlying intelligence that grates, and that even wild spending may not paper over.
Good points. The initial plan seems to be gone in favor of winning at all costs, a strategy that appeases fans in the short-term, but rarely works out, simply because it takes a lot of skill, luck and momentum to win it all. At this rate it’s World Series or bust, and even though I think the Mets are great on paper, I’d still take the field when it comes to winning it all.
Yup. Always take the field.
Except that… taken individually, none of Cohen’s deals stand out as particularly egregious. Lindor, Correa, Senga and Nimmo are the only players signed to long-term contracts, and they’re all relatively young. Mets haven’t had to trade any prospects and haven’t signed anyone who had a QO. Meanwhile, they’re getting extra draft picks (admittedly lower down) from their own QO free agents who have signed elsewhere. Both the Mets’ short-term and long-term future looks very bright.
I don’t disagree, although with tax penalties included, his 2023 payroll will be approaching a half a billion dollars, meanwhile a team like Miami in the same division will be at $50MM. He blew up the pay structure for pitchers when he gave Scherzer a $43.5MM AAV and matched it with Verlander. It’s not a surprise the only two pitchers with that deal are on the Mets, but in the process, it’s pulled up all pitcher salaries.
There will be blow back from the other owners in the next CBA where they’ll significantly penalize Cohen as they did with Steinbrenner. He knows though that that is still four years off, and they’re going to do it anyway, so he might as well spend huge right now to see if he can buy a few championships before they clamp down.
And I think the statistical odds would agree with you. At some point, you get diminishing returns from adding talent. This ain’t the NFL or the NBA.
Wow…
What in the?!!!
heres what really happened..
carlos looked at the giants and said, this teams not gonna compete and we wont be good for awhile, i wanna try something else, boras said okay let me think, the press conference was held up while this deal was being worked out,. probaly took awhile, then hes a met, a team that will compete
not that hard to comprehend, assuming the Giants deal never actually went through, saying he signed for xxxxxxxxxxxxx is wonderful, but nothing actually happened, it was just words and numbers, ask yourselves, if the deal happened, why wasnt he interviewed about his, asked about it, why werent the giants owner on tv discussing getting him, why wasnt their a press conference untill today?
You are really taking this hard…
Nah, I think there really was an issue that worried the giants and rather than working out incentives or reworking the years. Correa, who felt slighted or that the issue wasn’t severe, let Boras know he didn’t want to play for them anymore and voila!
Spending money doesn’t guarentee a championship. If this team fails to win the World Series, what does Cohen do next offseason?
Sign Ohtani and a bunch more shiny new toys. He’s not going to stop now. He’s not going to reset and go under the tax now. He’s all in.
Ohtani and Trout BOTH! No more playing games!
Sources say Cohen has checked in with the Marlins. He will just buy the team next offseason and swap players back and forth, as needed.
wow! I guess Machado regains his #1 villain status in the NL west.
Til he opts out and signs with the Mets next year too.
Mets would not bid on Judge out of professional courtesy, but they’ll swoop-in on the Giants no problem. That’s what you get for leaving NYC.
Actually I don’t know who is more ridiculous here. The Giants for completely botching the whole process ( Did it really take this long to get a test result ), The Mets for just being completely ridiculous, or MLB for letting this kind of thing happen 1 year after signing a new CBA. I actually kinda feel sorry for Buck Showalter. He has to find a way to massage a bunch of massive egos who are all going to want their own way. Stay tuned. Is this the biggest case of buyers remorse in League history? Bad Dr’s? FO incompetence? All of the above? This story still has a long way to go.
Mets fans can say goodbye Alonso
Don’t think Alonso is going anywhere…
Here’s the thing, Alonso and McNeil see these contracts their teammates are getting. They’re going to want to top that. One or both will walk. The Mets, one of the best franchises in baseball, are actually in the red because of luxury tax penalties. So I do think this is going to cost the Mets down the road, but for now, sit back and enjoy the insanity.
The Mets are paying Robinson Cano $22m for the 2023 as well! Lol!
I wish I could repost this.
Wow. This is…. I assume this is super not cool? One of those unwritten rules of things you don’t do?
I hope the Mets’ financials choke on these bloated contracts to guys like Lindor and Correa. Nothing against Lindor but it was an overpay.
Correa’s deal is a joke- after all that egotistical chest puffing and jawing from Correa, he winds up nowhere near the highest AAV and relatively low on the all time guarantees list, all things considered.
Considering how the Mets’ line ups work out regardless of top paid free agents, I’m not worried. I think this is money down the drain across the board.
Well, I hope Steve Cohen’s model train set in his basement called the New York Mets is worth the excessive expense to play with- Correa is basically just a overpriced additional train car whose magnet doesn’t quite stick to the other train cars and looks kinda cool but will rarely work on the track when all is said and done.
Cohen doesn’t have a basement, silly. He bought that $150M Penthouse in NYC.
For real though, Cohen is burning money faster than Pablo Escobar ACTUALLY burning money for his daughters warmth.
Dude, you need professional help.
Me? But I’m a Trillionaire Team Operator. Nobody more powerful in the industry than myself. I am the secret owner of the secret best team ever.
Dude- in all seriousness it’s a comment section of baseball news. It’s all for entertainment. If you think my comments qualify as needing professional help you don’t really understand what constitutes needing professional help.
I’m just a long winded baseball fan waxing excessively on the topic and believe it or not, my real life is separate from the couple of minutes I spend on these comment sections in slow moments throughout my otherwise busy, important day of operating a team as a trillionaire.
Pshh.. Who’s gonna use this whole Metaverse people keeping about, when we still have these perfectly good, faceless, chat forums?
Wow, good thing the Giants warmed up their relationship with Crawford eh?
Massage? Oh, careful! Correa’s natural enemy – the massage. I’m not sure Correa comes across well in this matter, either, Mike. Perhaps some misleading medicals? All three parties look suspicious in their own light.
Dude has a very specific stretching program he has to go through to be able to play in a game. It takes 2 hours to complete.
Cheering for the Mets now must seem like cheering for Deep Blue to beat Kasparov. Best thing will be when Mets lose anyway.
Baseball needs villains. Mets likely surpass the Astros as the most hated team in the game. It’s good for the sport.
not even close after Wilpon cheap poorly run ways they deserve it. Astros still top it. Only regret is we won’t see Correa as often enough to boo the living day lights out of him
Trust me, Blue Dude, Mets are public enemy number one. They even signed one of the faces of the 2017 cheating scandal.
Mets would’ve been better off trading for Russell Westbrook. At least his contract clears in 2023 and not 2035.
Lmao
Def not cool but I think us poor(er) teams need to get used to it. Good thing is there’s only 9 positions on the diamond. They can’t get everyone right? RIGHT?
Lol Mets?
Footnote: 1 minute of advertising for a Mets game now costs 5 million dollars. No checks please.
I can guess where Ohtani is going next year. And Soto after that. So stupid.
I always wonder if some players get turned off by it. The Mets are win the WS or bust at this point. Is it more fun to win with a team that isn’t “supposed” to win? If the Mets win the World Series, no one is going to point to the one player who pushed them over the top. It was just Cohen’s money. So will some FAs be turned off by the Mets now? Or, much more likely, will most players just seek out the best deal possible?
As long as the checks don’t bounce, I doubt they care about the moral implications of what the Mets are doing.
I’d guess players might prefer to grow up with a team and win, say the way the Braves did it, or the way the Astros did it, more or less, but a common, believable refrain esp from good players is they want a chance to win it. The Mets definitely offer that chance—more so than SF in this case.
It’s tough to get a clear win, in any case. If payroll + tax is $475m and the next highest payroll is a little more than half that, you’d probably better win the World Series. Might take some of the luster off the trophy if you do, though. And if you don’t win, the jokes on late night tv will burn a bit.
Good point, Ohtani seems the type that could be grossed out by this type of spending, absurd financial advantage.
Would love to know what the medical “issue” was to allow the Giants to back out of the deal. Did they even try to restructure it? I’m sure we’ll hear more in the coming days.
LordD, They found out he was bowlegged.
@LordD99 Thing is, unless there’s more to the tale the Giants didn’t back out of the deal, I don’t think. Seemed like they were at the point of saying, hang on, we’re exercising our contractual right to put a pause on things until this gets resolved.
That might involve another MRI, an fMRI in some cases, another exam, a different specialist consulted, a request to modify the deal…. all manner of things.
It had to have been written in to the contract language, though, that if the Giants put the deal on pause it gave Correa the right to sign elsewhere. That part does seem odd to me,. Most contractual pauses don’t free either party to do whatever they like. The aftermath should prove interesting!
Deal was never signed. Problem is Giants could come back and say 12/250 then where does that leave Correa ? And Boras said he gave them plenty of time. It has been close to a week. I think it was one of those the giants knew the Mets were involved they didn’t like what they saw they said go to the Mets basically
At least Cohen did not do a Twitter poll to see if he should also sign Correa.
Not a fan, but Musk isn’t a complete dunce. He had every reason to know how a poll would go so it stands to reason he wanted out as CEO, which will let Twitter recover some of the 30bn shortfall between the price Musk paid for it and it’s neutral market evaluation.
Musk didn’t care simply because he announced on the purchase of Twitter that he would eventually hire a CEO. Nothing has changed.
And then when the fans said ‘no’ he didn’t go “well, we’re doing the poll again, but this time you actually have to be a season ticket holder and the only options are ‘yes’ or ‘sure why not'”
Brilliant retort.
Wait, when did Elon Musk buyout Cohen & become the owner of the Mets?
The one constant is that Dodgers fans will still boo Correa.
How anti-climactic. Wasn’t expecting this
Climax – verb – culminate in an exciting or impressive event; reach a climax.
Your welcome.
You’re – the contraction of the words, “you” and “are”.
Damn, I didn’t even spell “you’re” correctly. Guess we are both not on our best English this early in the AM.
I just wanted to use anti-climactic. Sorry, but yours was a grammatical error rather than one of meaning. And yes, I do believe it is anti-climactic since the climax has been changed.
I feel like I’m watching a wrestling match with Heyman…. “Oh, Heyman with another reversal! Nobody would’ve expected this…..again.”
What the heck are the Giants going to do? Does this offseason impact Zaidi’s standing with the Giants?
Obviously this worried Correa enough to turn about face and join the Mets. Obviously Cohen was dead serious about paying for Correa.
Well, congratulations, again, Mets fans. Uncle Stevie got another top FA. You guys have an insane infield and your lineup just got better too. It’s a good day to be a Mets fan – enjoy it!
Clip, just wait till this afternoon when they trade cash for Shohei & Trout! We haven’t seen anything yet. This move just wet Cohens appetite!
Just want to say that I love your posts. I generally agree with you on most of them and you best me to points I want to make. Thanks bruh.
Beat me
Hey clipper, Cohen must be George Steinbrenner reincarnated. I admire him, as he doesn’t let anything stand in the way of improving his team. Too bad hal Steinbrenner does not operate thusly.
Salary cap is the only solution to this madness. Now it’s all about buying superstars for the rich teams.
Unfortunately salary caps don’t do anything for parity. NBA parity is a farce, nhl almost had back to back to back champions, and while mlb recently went 8 years with 8 unique champions, nfl had Brady win 4 titles in 7 years PARTLY by gaming the salary cap and taking below market value to leave room for the players he wanted to play with
The illusion of being a contender is as important for ticket sales and ratings as being an actual contender. The final results matter less. My point is, if FA stars are only going to the same 5 or 6 teams, baseball has a massive problem. More teams need to spend. Some teams need to spend less. At the moment though, good for Cohen. Good for Mets fans. Longterm, I hope things change.
Baseball is doomed. Already has been losing fans. This is going to turn off some of the die hard fans that the MLB is clinging to. Makes the sting of a lackluster off-season for ATL subside a bit though. They snuck in 2021 before the league was purchased on Wallstreet lol.
It might not buy parity but it does buy a level playing field. This is absurd.
This makes little sense for a multitude of reasons that have already been mentioned. One more reason is that a big part of his value is the athleticism he has that contributes to his defense. At third, his athleticism will be partially wasted. With Arod, wasting some of his athleticism at third made sense because he had an elite bat. Carlos has a good bat, but not elite, so the production they get at third won’t be a ton better than an average third baseman. You could easily argue that his offense has been similar to Escobar’s. Escobar’s best year is better than any of Carlos’ and the rest are about the same.
On another note, I would love to see the Tigers pick him up to fill the hole at third with the ability to play around the Diamond.
How would you feel about Torres as a 2B for the Tigers?
We would.ve OK with it, especially if Marion Illich sells.the team……
????
Only way to come at the Astros is to sign the ex-Astros Divas because Houston won’t pay them to linger on the books for a decade longer than Houston wants to pay them.
Now to get Yuli to play clean defense and move Alonso to pure DH.
100% agree on Yuli
Mets aren’t thinking about the Astros. In fact, it’s extremely unlikely that either team is in the World Series this year despite being the best on paper. I’d take the field.
cohen for president!!!!!
Wait he would be forced to release his taxes. I am sure he wouldn’t want that
Bruh chill
lets go mets
WTF! Like they actually needed a SS? This is beyond preposterous. Steve Cohen will probably be paying more taxes to MLB than he does to the IRS.
He’s going to play 3B for the Mets. If history is any indicator (A-Rod, Machado, even Bregman) his transition to 3B should be easy and he will likely play elite defense there.
Not only that, Clip, but his durability may well improve at 3B. I was also thinking about a move to 2B when McNeil aged into a 4th OFer / backup 2Bman, but backs don’t respond well to all the pivoting at 2B, afaict.
Dock Carlos about 5 runs for the move from SS to 3B just for playing the easier position. More, probably, given how much better a hitter the average 3Bman is compared with the average SS.
Wonder how many post-tax millions that ultimately costs the Mets, given they probably could have gotten 2 wins from 3B in 2023 without Correa, without breaking a sweat.
Yes, it was clear that Carlos Correa was going to play 3B with the Mets when news of their interest in him surfaced during the past week. They still have MLB’s most expensive SS in Francisco Lindor locked in through 2031 when he will be 37 and likely playing another position himself, perhaps 2B.
As for the other comps, A-Rod would have been a better defensive SS for the Yankees than Derek Jeter but he deferred the position to the Bombers captain out of respect. A-Rod’s power bat also profiled better at the hot corner than Jeter’s would have.
Manny Machado played SS as an amateur and was drafted as one out of high school by the Orioles in 2010. He continued to play SS exclusively during his first two minor league season and much of 2012 before transitioning to 3B. He debuted in Baltimore later that season at 19 and as a third baseman. Machado continued to play the hot corner exclusively until the 2015 season when he appeared in a handful of games at SS. As he approached free agency, he requested more time at SS because he preferred the position along with the idea of adding more versatility to his resume. Machado has been exclusively at 3B as a Padre the past two seasons even with the injury and PED issues surrounding Fernando Tatis Jr. He will likely remain at the hot corner for the entirety of 2023 before potentially becoming a FA again next offseason with his contract opt-out.
Similar to Machado, Alex Bregman was drafted as an even more accomplished amateur SS by the Astros as a collegiate 1st round pick from LSU. Ironically, Bregman primarily played 3B in Houston because Carlos Correa was already entrenched as their SS. Bregman has provided even more defensive versatility to the Astros than what Machado has given his 3 MLB teams with appearances at SS, 2B and even LF in Houston.
@clipper. Hey clip, since Cohen is going hogwild,, and picking up players indiscriminately, whether he needs them or not, maybe Cashman could make a deal with him. We Will give them Donaldson, Hicks and even IKF, in exchange for lindor. Sounds like a good deal to me. We can then play stanton in left field, and when he inevitably breaks down, pick up a real left fielder at the deadline. Sounds like a plan. Whether he plays in the field or not, he will break down at some point during the season, that’s inevitable. There’s no evidence that being just a DH is keeping him healthy at all. If anything, quite the contrary.
Ur math is so awful here. Owing 90% from 293-377m is over $70 million dollars plus the amount from the other tiers means the Mets payroll tax is somewhere around $100 million not 23m
That’s a lot of dough
In short, if the Mets never get under the 4th LT threshold, this ultimately costs them $315m + (0.90 * $315m) = 12/$598.5 million.
In any case, just for 2023, figure this is a 3 win upgrade over what they had, and $10m and change for Escobar and rookies, and the Mets are paying Correa—in his prime—close to $40m for a 3-win upgrade at the position.
(That $40m is [315/12 * 1.90] minus the assorted pro rated salaries of the three or four players the Mets would otherwise rotate through 3B.)
Why didnt the Mets decide to give that Correa money to Judge? Hes so much better than Correa
Collusion
My highly speculative theory is that Cohen wants to be popular in New York, so he did not sign Judge as a courtesy to Yankee fans.
I’d wager Correa will be better than Judge over the life of their respective deals. There’s never been a body like Judge’s in MLB. Correa’s aging curve is much more predictable. That might not have been on Cohen’s mind, but I think it makes sense to go with Correa.
Scott Boras somehow orchestrated this whole thing. I won’t be surprised if there are accusations of collusion between him and Uncle Steve. As a met fan, I was in the, “It’s good for baseball; other owners need to spend more” camp, but this feels like a line has been crossed. It will be interesting to see if other teams are willing to deal with the Mets on the trade market.
Don’t blame Boras its a free market if Correa wants to get more money than feel free. Just don’t pout when he gets benched due to struggles or when team continues to lose.
Enters the chat to make the obvious correction: Bobby Bonilla is also signed past 2029. [Ignores 250 other comments that might also say this and pretends it is an original thought.]
I am reading SO much from Yankee and Red Sox fans NOW Complaining about Owners over-spending! That is just comical! The Mets were frugal for SO long, let us enjoy this for the time being! MLBPA will not allow a salary cap, so lets throw that idea right out the window…
Mets fans complained so much then. So people can complain now. I don’t really care about thr spending that much, but fair is fair. Also the Yankees and Sox never spent this much.
Nice try redefining the word frugal. The Rays, Pirates, A’s are frugal. The Mets had common sense until Cohen, doubt it’s going to work. We’ll see.
Time for a hard cap. All it took was a joker from NY to exploit the system to see how broke it really is. It’s like a video game with a cheat code on.
Rsk, they should probably just declare them the 2023 WS Winners now. Why wait since we know the outcome? We can just assume they played the Yanks and took em in 4 games.
I get the hate for zaidi but really if there are real concerns with his medical it might have been a good process to not give him 12 yeard and handcuff the team for a decade.
That being said the giants are in a tough spot. The dodgers are still a juggernaut, the padres might only have a 2-3 year window left but for the next 2-3 years they could be really good and even the dbacks have some good talent coming up and the giants have an old roster and their farm system took a big step back.
The old roster is not really zaidis fault though, he inherited many of the players and their owner didn’t allow him to do a full tear down so he kinda had to patchwork around that roster.
That worked great in 2021 but at some point the old guys just were going to be done and unfortunately some of the prospects have struggled recently.
I’m not sure why that is either as the giants spend a lot on coaching and modern tech for player dev.
Really for long term success the ideal move would have been to do a full rebuild and tanking for 2-3 years around 2018 to really build up that farm which already had some promising prospects but then again that would have taken away 2021 and that great final year for buster posey.
MLB must do something with the competitive balance of the sport as the small market teams are becoming more irrelevant. The Mets certainly have one of the best teams that money can buy. Ultimately the run for the 2023 title may well hinge on how well Verlander and Scherzer hold up.
What should be done is make there be a floor alobg with a ceiling. What is the point of having nothing preventing teams from spending money, but not have a floor where teams should at least attempt to be competitive while collecting money without returning it to the product on the field.
Wow. All this money for the Mets only to still find a way to collapse and come 2nd to the Braves in the division
I would be scared of them as a Braves fan as well. Mets aren’t messing around this time.
TJ, I respect the Mets but aren’t “scared” of them. Anyway, you can come in 3rd & still go to the WS. I really don’t like this new playoff system, it sucks. Now the hottest team goes to the WS, not the best…
Haha I didn’t really mean it Curly. I just got peeved by hearing that the Mets were going to arbitrarily be runner up to the Mets. I don’t have anything against the Braves and have never liked the Mets. I just can’t see how the Met’s aren’t frontrunners to take it all now. I feel like they would make mincemeat out of the Dodgers! Yeah I took your word!!! Haha
Dear lord….***Mets runner up to Braves…My apologies..
No offense taken TJ! The Braves could finish 3rd for all we know. The Mets have put themselves in a position where they HAVE to win. They could win 120 games or all those egos won’t mesh & they’ll finish at .500
I’m sure no Braves fan but I’m hoping for the same.
Welp. NYM fans suffered under latter day Wilpon era. This is the reward for their burden.
The reward is far greater than their suffering ever was. There are fanbases that suffered far worse who still continue to suffer as Cohen collects his toys.
Suffered under the Wilson’s is a pretty big exaggeration. The Wilpon Mets were always top 10 in payroll and many years were top 5.
I am not a mets fan, but that Mets lineup looks pretty solid with Corre.
That’s why you don’t go see Doctor Acula.
LOL Correa signing the SF contract knowing he has messed up medicals.
He never signed. It was a verbal/handshake agreement pending contract language and medical evaluations- the medical evaluations didn’t go well and SF never gave him an actual contract to sign.
I believe you are correct TTO. In the haste to get the news out first, accuracy is many times lacking from these reporters.
So if Cohen too drops the deal after Mets medical examination? Epic.
Any other mets fan puzzled?? We got lindor sure, I’m praying Guillmore doesn’t get traded in any possible way, just one more player for DH in a trade for Ruf, enough is enough at this point. This feels like my younger days in franchise mode changing stats and what not for top stars.
@Rusteze Puzzled? Yes. It seems like Cohen decides day to day how high payroll is going to go, and therefore imperatives change and opportunities are missed.
Why do all this after rolling dice with the #3 slot in the rotation when it’s going to be critical to any postseason success? Why the talk of trading Carrasco when the Mets have nothing like a reliable #5 in the rotation, and when the front four respectively pitched just 145, 175, 145, and 160 innings in 2022, and when none of your front three could handle pitching in a rotation getting 4-days rest and remain healthy?
315 for 12 years? He averages 118 games a year (not counting covid 2020) Really can not see him making half of this contract……….Spend away, it`s a Prima Donna circus over there……Alfonso will get 50 million a year at this pace
Edgardo Alfonso is still playing?
He came out for all-timers day.
“Did you win your Little League Championship?”
“No, but my mommy bought me the trophy, so it’s JUST as good!!!! I’m so PROUD of MY accomplishments!! Praise me!!!!!”
LOL Pass the salt
“I keep the receipt under the trophy in case she’ll buy me a bigger one one day!!!”
Insane! Just looking at the CBT Tax Number, Their tax is more than multiple team’s actual payroll number. The players don’t want a salary cap and I understand why, but low markets have no shot if multiple big market owners with truly deep pockets corner the market.
Exactly one small market team has won a title in the past 30 years.
And even KC had a top ten payroll had at the time.
MLB is not meant to be competitive.
You are correct concerning competitive balance. One need only to look at the history of the game. The Yankees have won 40 pennants since 1921. In second place in the far distance are the Oakland Athletics with 15. The increased number of teams in the playoffs will help the small market clubs/spenders. Anything can happen the playoffs which is why the “best team” does not always win.
I wonder if this leads to a Giants rebuild. Joc Pederson and Mike Yaz could spice up trade talks. I would love to see the Yankees get Joc. He’s exactly what they need, more so than Rodon.
The Giants are the NL version of the Orioles
Vegas
Agree, except the Orioles are younger, more talented and have a slightly better farm right now.
Oh, I guess than means I don’t agree.
Seriously, the Giants have won three championships in the past 14 years. That makes them the most dominant franchise in MLB. But in 2023, they will not make the post-season and they will not finish in the top two in their division.
*the best farm in baseball.
The orioles have become better actually
So Steve Cohen made the deal from Hawaii. I wonder if Billy Eppler woke up and said WTF? like the rest of us.
It’s so obvious that the Giants had a moment of clarity when it came to signing Correa and good for them because he’s not a star worthy of a contract like that. Let the Mets eat another stupid contract it’ll only make things worse for that dreadful organization in the long run. Someone might want to explain to Cohen that you don’t build a baseball team by throwing money at every one in sight especially not guys with only decent numbers over his career. The best is that the Mets still won’t win they’re the Mets.
LOL
Playoffs are a crapshoot of course. But insurance policy for NYM is Showalter. An exceptional 162 game season manager. Starting with 163 tho – oh boy. But that guy is gonna do wonders with this squad
Your mom could do wonders with this squad?
Considering she’s deceased, that’s inconclusive
I still think the Mets fall flat in their faces multiple times, and still probably won’t win a World Series. Spending the most money doesn’t equal a championship. This has been proven over time. What is the point of taking a loss on a franchise to gather pieces that don’t fit or win.
Winning a championship is the goal, but not really the best metric for success. Cohen wants to build a team that contends every year. I would always play the field over any single team winning the World Series. The best teams don’t always win, but they always get to the post season.
Stevie Cohen’s beautiful money.
Who knew financialization and sucking the value out of middle America and transferring all those trillions to coastal bank accounts was the next ‘greed is good’?
its what middle america votes for. time and again. they have nobody to blame but themselves.
LET’S GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE…
THIS IS ALL ROB MANFRED’S FAULT.
Terran Baseball Association
Somewhere out there is an alternative universe where the Marlins, Rays and Guardians are spending $400 million and the Mets and Padres have $60 million payrolls. The Yankee players all wear beards and the Astros never cheat. In that league, Ohtani pitchers for one team but DHs for the team playing against them. Soto hits for a high average but never walks. DeGrom is just an average pitcher, but he is an innings-eater who never gets injured. Kershaw is also only average during the regular season, but he has four no-hitters in the post-season. The Commissioner is a purple sponge that does whatever the owners tell it to do.
A “purple sponge!!” Hahahahahaha
@Manny, don’t bogart that joint my friend, pass it over to me again…
In that alternative universe, I don’t look like Billy Gibbons, I look like Curly
You have to stand in awe of the Mets this year. A side piece like Correa whose bat is a small lessor to say a Stanton, can play the field better than Stanton, for a comparable amount of money. Keeping Alonso is the only thing they really need to do in the future, as he does match up with Judge. The Mets are in the toughest division right now as the Yankees have no one in theirs now. The American League Least N.Y., and the 4 Tampa’s. The Mets are the team to watch this year.
For what it’s worth, the take of a 50-year Giant fan here. Pretty sure when all the details emerge it will be evident SF dodged a bullet -whether it was physical or an attitude issue.
I also don’t get this perception that the Giants just HAD to sign some big marquee free agent or MUST now drain the farm to compete. A year ago we won 107 games. This year if we don’t have key injuries that rattled the defense, we’re easily in the playoffs. I think we made good improvements and will be a better team than last year without the baggage that Correa obviously has.
@TellitGoodbye Right! Panicking makes no sense. It’s possible Giants ownership didn’t catch up in the few weeks they had with the crazy deals required this season to add stars, but it may have also been prudence.
Why add stars a year before you’re likely to compete, especially an iffy star like Correa given his health and the 13/350m required? Wouldn’t surprise me if the eventual verdict is that Farhan saw his chance to bail, knew the Mets were ready to step in, and he took it.
Correa’s interviews in the wake of the trash can scandal revealed what an incredibly bad guy he is.
Link, please.
It’s the missing link…
I am a Dodgers fan, and think the Giants came out better from this fiasco. Sometimes spending money to just spend money is not the best of plans.
If you live in NE and can do short trips – poised to be a helluva summer. I’ve said NYM are down like 3 times before. Now you assume they will flip Escobar along with finding taker for McCann at a fraction of his salary. I’ve seen some NYM fans suggest Cahna should be dealt. My humble opinion – he is so sneaky valuable. His long at bats wear pitching down. He’s a moneyball kinda player. Big stealth asset. They do need a 4th OF to spell him as he plays like 120 games
Canha’s a solid complementary player to have on a winner. Bounced back to his 2020 form, kept his OBP, and he’s still a starting caliber LFer. If the Mets still have Escobar and Guillorme in 2023, it’s easy to rotate McNeil into the OF as required, giving the Mets one of the best 4 OFer group in baseball.
Moving to a new position for less money? Giants must have really pissed him off.
They can use Baty now to trade for Hendricks
I could see that happening.
Or save him for Ohtani at the deadline.
This offseason has been quite entertaining, but I feel like MLB does a terrible job of publicizing it. Sirius XM has a ridiculous channel they don’t even update regularly. It’s like they can’t get out of their own way.
Here here MLB is circling the drain, and its worse now with the stupid rule changes in ‘23
Please check these advanced statistics or metrics or cybermetrics. Pay special attention to FIELDING.
Lateral Towards 3b and 1B.
OAA
Dansby Swanson: 21
Francisco Lindor: 13
Jeremy Pena: 7
Xander Bogaerts: 5
Carlos Correa: -3
baseballsavant.mlb.com
baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/jeremy-pena-6…
And that’s why Lindor will play SS. Next year we can talk about lateral movement towards SS from 3b.
Anytime you hear an owner say…”this puts us over the top” you know he’s as deluded as they can get. Hate to remind Mr Cohen that he lost DeGrom and his top two starters are in their 40’s. This has future disaster written all over it! No team is one player away from anything.
Wow, this happened quickly.
Seems like the Mets had done at least something like due diligence on the road to offering 12/315m several days ago.
When a player you’re adding for this price appears to fear what a more detailed medical scrutiny may reveal, that = trouble.
The other 29 owners have to be worried about how Cohen’s spending is going to impact other teams’ costs. The Mets are essentially driving up the cost of players. While the MLBPA loves it, the other owners are going to feel about the Mets the way they did about George Steinbrenner and the Yankees..
If the Mets win, the spending model will work as winning increases revenues, and the Mets will continue to spend. If the Mets do not deliver on the field, I wonder how Steve Cohen will react.
He doesn’t seem like the most stable fella, so I’m guessing ‘not well.’ Still he did handle the 2022 collapse pretty evenly, so maybe he has reserves of placidity in the face of adversity?
The ones collecting revenue sharing are loving it I would assume. The higher he goes over the tax the more they line their pockets
That’s right ! Teams clearing 150 million before a fan shows up to game. What would ever motivate them to compete when teams have no financial restrictions
Medical red flag. Garbage canitis. RIP.
Lame joke. Just get over it already it was 6 years ago
Cohen’s spending is a big win for the players and agents. But at some point it could be pointed to in serious arguments for a salary cap. How far can you push the rules before they change?
I think we’re about as far as can be tolerated, but Cohen still has Hendriks to sign. Then midseason he’ll get Ohtani. Then in 2024 there will have to be some new rules put in place to stop this evil Lex Luthor.
Von P, the Mets signings are all very impressive but now we have all these egos on one team. Can that really work? The chemistry may not be there. I guess we’ll find out
@abc123baseball All it will take is something like, “go over the third LT threshold twice, and lose your 1st, 2nd, and 5th draft picks along with 50% of your IFA pool money.”
..I suppose that wouldn’t keep Cohen from spending 50% more than the second-highest payroll ad infinitum, though, so forget I said anything.
Time to add 2 new teams next year in Nashville and Portland and move A’s to Vegas, and Tampa to Charlotte. This will give all the owners more money to spend. and add 4 real fan bases.
I’m surprised the commissioner is allowing the Mets to do this. You can’t just let one owner with an unlimited payroll buy everybody in sight. That’s not competitive balance at all. Even Kuhn stepped in and voided the Vida Blue and Joe Rudi deals for the good of the sport.
Manfred actually making a decision for the good of baseball isn’t going to happen very soon
Have you been in a coma, under a rock? We’re talking about Rob manFRAUD, here! The man that’s neutering baseball!!!!!
He’s neutered it, aborted & diluted it. Ruined the playoffs, stuck his political BS into it. We have a clock on pitchers now, we need to have a clock on Manfart…
Carlos Correa will man 2B, Jeff McNeil will move to 3B. I think the Mets will acquire a LH hitter to DH.
Correa is going to 3B. It was previously discussed.
Regardless, I think he’ll be at 2B.
any Mets fan with the same address painted on their garbage can that Correa will wear as a Met will suddenly be in possession of a collector’s item.
@yankeesforever. Since Cohen is going nuts, Maybe now Cashman can convince him to take donaldson and Hicks off our hands. And throw in IKF. We will take Lindor off their hands, in exchange, since he is now superfluous lol
Mets just got really better.
Sicknessball.
And fans are worried about the Yankees? Cohen is ruining baseball and the Mets are a joke.
I smell jelly.
Sounds like u a little mad the Yankees aren’t the talk of the town
dude, the Mets could change their name to the Yankees and they still could never supplant the real deal as the lead baseball story in this town, well except maybe when they blow the division on the last day of the season
What does a Jays fan know about being the talk of the town. Your curling team is more popular than the Jays in that town.
Don’t underestimate the revitalization of Willets Point adjacent to Citi Field playing a role here. New MLS stadium is already approved. Cohen angling to get a casino. Overlooking the elephant in the room to think his larger ambitions don’t play a major factor
What the hell is MLS?
Major league soccer
Well it’s safe to say baseball is being destroyed & the NY Cohen’s have the MLB on lock lol
Is Steve Cohen a madman or a genius? Or is he just a fan-boy who really has no idea what he’s doing but just badly wants a winner at Citi Field? No idea. But, if they get out of the gate next year at, say, 15-25? Oh my….
He’s Jeff Wilpon with an effectively infinite supply of money.
I called him a genius multiple times, but now it’s clear, he’s just a rich boy collecting his favorite toys trying to make the best team. These aren’t smart baseball moves anymore. It’s just excessive.
All I see is an under achieving team in NYM who got worst at P and Correa couldn’t even get a super talented Twins ball club over the hump… dont see how they win 95.. let alone go deep in the postseason with this team
@Von in a couple of years a lot will be off the books and maybe 4 guys long term so yes excessive for a couple years but back to reality after that.
After suffering as a long time Mets fan watching the Dodgers and Yankees spend like mad I can deal with this.
Surprised I would say; Giants let him go.
#LGFM!
I dunno, but he might be bi-polar and manic at the moment. #joking
I can’t decide if the Giants have had a case of buyer’s remorse or a stroke of good fortune.
As a Dodger fan I already ordered my Correa black and orange voodoo doll, needles included. Disappointing.
So he failed his physical with Giants but we assume he will pass with Mets?
I guess its possible the Giants just got cold feet.
The Mets don’t do physicals. Everyone is too old.
Sure these contracts will be awful down the road, but this frees up the prospect capital necessary to get Ohtani if he’s dangled at the deadline. And if not, you have to know Steve is all ready planning to go hard after him. If they win it all in the next few years it will have paid off
And after Ohtani Steve will sign every other premier FA and pay them hush money to retire so the NY Cohen’s never have to play any competition ever again.
This is all getting too ridiculous. It’s like Bezos & Amazon bought baseball lol.
Correa put the kibosh on the SF deal when he realized Gabe Kapler was going to platoon him.
@64shea, So he faked an injury?
This reeks of collusion. Either that, or Correa really did have a medical issue come up significant for the Giants to back out, and Chen bought him knowing full well about it. He signed for less money to play an unfamiliar position. I’m sure there is a certain Jeter/Rodriguez of Queens appeal, but this feels all types of shady.
I was totally ambivalent about the Mets, couldn’t care less whether they won or lost. Now? I’m hoping that they crash and burn with this blatant attempt to buy a championship. Unless you’re signing Lebron next, it’s not going to work.
And yet they have not traded a single top ten prospect in their system which includes a number of very highly rated prospects: Alvarez, Baty, Parada, Mauricio, etc.
What does not trading any prospects have anything to do with this? We are referring to Cohen literally trying to buy a ring. The Mets now have a payroll, when you add in the luxury tax, at $500M! That is laughable, completely buying a team of mercenaries.
The. Mets have such a huge financial advantage over the rest of baseball that any world series they do win will be tainted as they clearly just bought the ring. All Cohen is doing is buying up all the expensive toys. Anyone can do that if they have money. It’s not something to be impressed by and is ruining baseball.
Meh.. I think it’s over indulgent and obnoxious, but the Yankees and dodgers have done the same exact thing in certain years since the late 2000s. Percentage wise it’s on a level w the 2009 yanks, who spent almost 50% more than the next team. Hate the specific move, don’t love the spending spree, but it’s not the first time.
@ Pachoo: If you need me to connect the dots, I can do that… Because he is not only trying to buy a ring. He is also trying to maintain a traditional strategy for developing talent.
Well duh, that is what happens when you simply buy all the free agents, you don’t have to trade for anyone so can keep your prospects. How is that impressive?? How is that not obvious?
Of course you get to keep your prospects when you spend $800M on free agents. You are acting as if Cohen is making brilliant baseball moves. All he is doing is spending money.
cry about it
Pete Crow Armstrong was top ten according to BA.
@revolver: Yup and I think he saw that was a mistake.
@dugmet Just wait. Some will be traded for Hendriks. Others for Ohtani. Cohen isn’t building a team anymore. He’s winning at all costs.
@VonPurpleHayes: Hard to argue against acquiring Ohtani.
Leave it to a hedge fund billionaire to bogart the sports scene, both national and New York, just as the news came in that Franco Harris had died.
To those who think big-time sports is all about buying trophies: look at how FC Barcelona came perilously close to financial ruin.
Um… wow. I kind of wonder if the medical issue wasn’t buyer’s remorse.
Farhan can go after Conner Joe now… yuk yuk
Giants again afraid to commit to long-term contracts and laying to the fan base under the regime of Farhan what a shame attendance will be dropping even more until they can spend on star players
Unless NYM will wait till January
to announce Narvaez and Correa – they have 2 40 man roster moves pending. So assume a deal(s) is forthcoming. Also will be fun to watch ATL and PHI additions & tweaks. Still a pick em to me among those teams – the difference will be regression and untimely key injuries. It’s like Ali vs Frazier with these 3 teams
Phillies did well not to scrod around with their #4 slot in the rotation. They gave Walker too much and too many, but it was better than letting it ride without Eflin.
Phillies are likely done outside of bullpen depth. I don’t really think Cohen’s spending spree is influencing them. I’d like to see the Braves spend some money though.
lol wtf
Farhan will be dumpster diving starting today
At this point, the Mets are just spitting on MLB. Probably going to be a $330 million payroll after arbitration hearings. Greed always kills.
It’s actually a $500M payroll when you add in their luxury tax.
Mets went full Dodgers! Now we wait for Buck to say “we’re winning the World Series”, followed by a 1st round playoff exit! LOL
Dodgers ain’t never spent like dis
No one has ever spent like this. Dodgers didn’t come close to this. Mets are spending $500M on their payroll and luxury tax this year lol. Dodgers never topped $300M.
Sure they did, just different frame of reference. I said it another post, Yanks in 2009 spent 200m when next spending team was 135M. Almost 50% higher. In 2013, Yanks spent 228M, Dodgers 216M, next team was 159M, so Yanks were 43% higher and Dodgers right there. It’s just that all team payrolls have gone up, and the Mets right now I think are projected at 388M, Yanks 293M, so the Mets are 32% higher than Yanks. It’s obnoxious, but the top spending teams have outspent other teams by more than this in the recent past.
Yea. We all need to stop comparing the Mets to other teams. The are resetting under the tax this year. What the Mets are doing is beyond what any team has done in the past. So sit back and enjoy the ride. It’s a new world.
At the time, I understood why the Mets didn’t pursue Judge, because I assumed they had some semblance of a budget and he just couldn’t possibly fit.
But, if you are going to spend like this, shouldn’t they at least have been in on Judge, even if they ultimately didn’t sign him?
Makes it feel like either they really did promise the Yankees they wouldn’t go after Judge, or somewhere along the way the initial plan just got completely blown up and it was decided that money is no object.
Isn’t he in the same boat as Swanson? Coming off a career year w a good but not spectacular history ?
Correa is a gamer w rings
Last year was an all time year, but he was pretty damn good before that, but injury prone.
I don’t think he ever had an OPS below .900.
Again, I’m not saying they should have topped the Yankee offer. But they were out on Judge right from the start, when he seemingly is a much better fit than Correa. Lack of power (outside of Alonso) was definitely a Mets issue, with an OF that is filled with players who are good but don’t really hit a lot of home runs. (And nothing on the horizon either)
Wonder when the next time is Boras gives one of his players to the Giants?
Tonight if the moneys right. Dude is a business name and not an emotional train wreck
As bad as this is for the Giants I think this is going to bite the Mets in the end. The literally didn’t need Correa, who will know be known as a mid level 3rd baseman rather than an elite shortstop. Chemistry is one of the most important aspects of a team over flooding a team with talent. Look at the Yankees. They were most dominant in late 1990’s early 2000’s when they had mostly home grown talent and a hand full of key free agent signings and players they traded for. Now they still have a plethora of talent but it’s mostly from free agents and trades, but the chemistry that created that dominance earlier is not there. When they need to win the big games they fall short. I’d be surprised if the Mets do any better than they did last year
Mets are a lock for a WS now
@Yanks, You’d certainly think!
There’s never a lock for the WS
I’d take that bet. Not because I think the Mets are bad, but because there’s no such thing as a WS lock.
I know what you’re saying, but even those yanks teams had a lot of outside talent – Tino, O’Neill, Knoblauch, Clemens, Cone, El Duque. I think that’s fine, but like you said, the chemistry is important. A home grown core can help with that. I like what the mets have w/ Alonso, Nimmo, McNeil, and what was coming with Alvarez, Baty, and Vientos this year. Now Correa will delay Baty or Vientos or force one or both to be traded. Either Alonso or McNeil don’t get extended. I’m with you, I think they do well, but don’t win any more than last year (tough to do w/ 101 wins, but still). As a Met fan, hope I’m wrong.
This is not good for the game of baseball. Just nothing more to say.
why, last year during the lockout nearly everyone was on the owners for being cheap and trying to short-change the veterans.
Well this is how it looks when the fans and the players get what they want, reckless spending. Can’t have it both ways.
What difference does it make to my opinion what other people were arguing last year? I wasn’t saying it, so it has no effect on me.
I don’t care about how much players make AT ALL. It is none of my business. But I do care about competitive balance. This is not good for fans around the league.
you are preaching to the choir. I called BS on the union last year for their motives and got labeled a mouthpiece for the owners.
Regardless of their public rhetoric, the Union’s real goal was to open up the wallets. They fought tooth and nail against the lower luxury tax levels and establishing a minimum spending threshold.
As a fan of the Yankees, a large segment of our fanbase called out Hal for being cheap, even though we had one of the highest payrolls in baseball because the Yankees were worth and making so much and Hal was pocketing it instead of spending it.
Well, the “rich” owners are spending so the sour grapes from the fanbases whose owners are not spending shouldn’t be directed at Cohen but at their own owners.
I do not blame the Giants at all. 13 years is a long commitment so ant red flags/concerns should be taken in regards to the medicals.
WHAT?? I mean what, how, are you freaking kidding me?!
Best plot twist of the offseason for Days of Our MLB Lives!!
I can’t believe the Giants proposed to Correa and then left him due to one little problem. Then the Mets flashing their money stealing Correa from the Giants. This is why relationships don’t last. The Giants can’t keep their word and Correa was too materialistic! What ever happened to loyalty, right?
Correa took less money to play for the Mets, significantly less
After he was found to have injury concerns and no longer has the leverage of the Giants offer to prop up his value. The difference in total dollars is $45M – $18M (40% for taxes) leaves $27M and 1 year less. So no, not really that much difference all things considered. Giants either offered less than $315M or pulled their offer completely. Either way, $315M > New Giants Offer AND $315M > No New Giants offer!!
If you don’t think 35 million dollars is significant, kudos to you. Still haven’t heard what this major injury concern was either, just speculation.
35 mil is certainly enough money to have a significant impact on any MLB contract negotiation
So what were those injury concerns again, Thank?
What are the Amazins?
If the Mets do not win the world series every year from now until the next 5 to 6 years, It will be the greatest failure of a sports team all time. Alot of pressure on them now.
I mean, mature baseball fans know luck and getting hot at the right time are important components of playoff success.
The Mets didn’t trade a prospect in this deal but they effectively made their 2nd best prospect expendable. Baty is now blocked at 3rd base for the next 10 years. Signing Correa to such an expensive, long contract could bite them in the ass, blocking youth, guaranteeing an older team.
And how much of Correa’s value was in playing shortstop? He isn’t an elite bat, though very good. Is he really that much more valuable than Baty over the next 10 years? There is a very good chance Baty will be more valuable over Correa’s contract, for a fraction of the price.
Cohen is just collecting toys at this point. Not sure how this Frankenstein of a team will work out.
Baty lacked first-step mobility at 3B IMO. He can slot in as a full time DH plus backup at 3B and 1B – unless he is part of a package for Ohtani.
Unless Baty is traded, he’ll slot into left next year.
Eric Hosmer is still available.
Imagine all the giants fans opening up Correa jerseys on Xmas Day lol.
Imagine all the met fan boys in oct watching 2 other teams playing in the world series”lol”
How can the Mets have such a high payroll and be profitable? And who would lend them money to allow them to go into such debt? Commenters on here say the Cardinals don’t have the money to spend like that (I am not one of those commenters), but the Cardinals have better media deals and attendance then the Mets, so the Cardinals revenues should be greater. Many times on here commenters have told me Owners don’t use their personal fortune to pay players. So where is the money coming from or why can’t the Cardinals add $150 million to their payroll.
He doesn’t care about the Mets being profitable. He can get any bank in the world to lend him whatever he wants. The Mets are a tiny fraction of his assets. His personal collateral dwarfs the value of the Mets.
Banks wouldn’t be lending him money, they would be lending it to the Mets.
I don’t understand how they add the money to their payroll and pay the luxury tax. In the National Football League they move the money into signing bonuses and it does not count against the CAP. There are probably ways to manipulate it where it is not clumped on. At least the Mets are going for it. The Red Sox, which are my team have decided that they are the North Tampa Bay Red Sox and have now become the bottom feeders or paupers of MLB like Kansas City, Pittsburgh, and Tampa Bay. After another disastrous season coming up, Bloom will be fired.
Tampa bottom feeders? 4th best record in baaeball since 2008. Do you follow the sport?
The Cardinal’s TV deal is going down the toilet along with Balley’s Sports. They will be looking for a new TV deal at some point in the near future. The Cardinals also aren’t really upping payroll like they claim. It’s projected to be 160-165 million which puts them back at 2019 and 2021 levels..
Saved all their prospects for the otanhi trade
Giants will be the smarter team in about 8 years from now. 10+ deals for 30+yo players is not very sound investments for any team.
Id say year 6 theyll be smarter tean.
So he spends a lot of money. He has a lot of money, and MLB is awash in cash. The luxury tax income goes into a pool and is divided between players and certain “poorer” teams. The fact that Boras turned around and signed for less money and years indicates two things–there is a medical issue (the degree of it is in question) and there weren’t too many bidders at this level Is this an argument for a cap and floor? Maybe, but you will never get the sides to agree on what the cap and floor might be. One big spender is not good enough reason to go to war over. We have labor peace right now, we all like baseball. I don’t care how much Cohen spends. You want to moderate salaries? Consider taking out some of those draft-pick advantages and disadvantages. Teams bid up prices on free agents when they can’t fill out their rosters from their minor league system.
Would you spend 315M for a guy with a medical issue that caused the giants to cut this guy loose?
Sounds more like buyers regret.
I wouldn’t spend that kind of cash–it’s too high risk for me. It’s hard to read the Giants mind, but interesting there were only two bidders in this rarefied air.
If I was a MLB player, I wouldn’t want to be known as a guy that played for a team that bought a championship! Playing for the Mets just became the worst landing spot in the league once everyone starts hyping them as favorites to win the World Series! If they win, they were supposed to win, so who cares. But, if they lose, they’re underachievers and failures! Add in having to play in front of the New York media and a fan base that just became overly entitled? I wouldn’t want to play there, even if I was a guy who could put up 5 WAR in my sleep. That atmosphere would suck!
But what pisses me off is that Jeff Passan, the idiot writer, asked if Mariners fans were greedy because we went to the playoffs and feel like adding Teoscar Hernandez and Kolten Wong is a little underwhelming, Meanwhile, we have the Mets trying to be the first $400M payroll. Clearly we need steeper penalties for blowing the luxury tax.
Back to Passan’s comment, what is most annoying is the Mariners are like a family of four sitting at a Denny’s/Cracker Barrel/Perkins and because the parents had a little extra money due to working overtime, they order a couple steaks and then some waiter walks over and says, “you guys look like you need to save your money, maybe you just get a couple hamburgers instead.” The Mariners have a right to order steaks, even if they can’t go to the best steakhouse in the city!
Your biggest mistake was taking seriously anything said or written by Jeff Passan. That guy is the worst sportswriter ever.
Passan is indeed an idiot.
I mentioned earlier that there will be certain players who may be turned off by the Mets now. It’s not really an accomplishment winning the WS there. But at the end of the day, you’ll get paid big time.
Wow but can we dispense with the hypervole, Quintana,Robertson, Ottavino,Navarez are Star studded?
Nimmo too
Hyper Vole. Sounds like one of the new bottom of the barrel Marvel heroes. His biggest enemies are the Owl, Viper, and Black Cat.
Coming off 100 wins, you forgot about Verlander and Quintana was actually a 3 WAR pitcher.
This is all still very surreal. Balanced schedule should theoretically help all 3 NL East heavyweights. They difference between having to beat the hell out of each other 13x a year as opposed to 18-19x a year is not insignificant.
The NL East is just grateful the cubs aren’t in their division .
I actually think the balanced schedule hurts the Mets in theory. Because in 2022, they had the Phillies number. Without all those Phillies wins, and the Phillies doing fairly well against the Braves, the Mets could have even finished in 3rd place. Now, I know what I’m seeing is a little ridiculous, and 2023 is a brand new season, but it is interesting.
More of the mind that those flukes happen against one team every year. And highly unlikely to happen vs PHI again. Next year in will be some other random teams NYM roll – and also some random team will roll them. NYM undeniable better on paper this year. PHI better too on paper despite uncertainty about Harper, which cannot be taken for granted. Prediction – NYM go 7-6 or 6-7 vs PHI next season. Same for both clubs with ATL. It’s all that competitive. Fans should be thrilled. Will be some very emotional hardball this summer
Mets payroll now $385m, with a $111m tax penalty! When a team’s tax penalty is more than multiple teams total MLB roster commitments, there is a competitive balance problem.
Whether that problem is at the top of the scale or the bottom, it’s just not a fair fight.
MLB has to either install a floor salary cap or investigate putting a max number of years on new contracts to stop the manipulation of the luxury cap hit.
I think there is going to be a very long strike when the current CBA expires. Owners are going to demand a hard salary cap like other sports based on Cohen’s spending. Players are going to balk, but in some ways, they have brought it upon themselves by so many signing with one team. I’m not saying anyone (Cohen or players) have done anything wrong, just that the rest of baseball’s owners are going to dig in and not allow it to happen again. Clearly the competitive balance tax is not working.
The smart teams are staying away from 13 year deals for 30yo or so players especially when the salaries are $25+mil per.
It’s 6 AM IN SF. Giants fans should start waking up now.
If I were a Giants fan I’d feel like Cohen rescued us from a terrible mistake. It’s like a 2nd lease on life.
Dodged a bullet and re-upped for another year of mediocrity or worse.
Nonsense. You’d be happy to play for a team willing to pay you the most $$$ like any other player.
No. I might choose the most money if I was making $12/hr and someone offered $16/hr instead because that amount would make a difference. But once the money gets stupid like baseball salaries, it doesn’t matter.. There is no real difference between $275 million, $315 million, and $350 million. You couldn’t spend that money in a lifetime unless you were spending recklessly. And if you were, then the higher dollar amount wouldn’t be enough either. It is just a question of a slightly bigger pile at that point.
It’s easy for someone with no money to say that.
So if you had three offers of $275 million, $315 million, and $350 million, are you seriously saying you would automatically take the largest amount without any other considerations? Yeah it is a $75 million difference, but when you aren’t likely to spend $275 million in a lifetime, what difference will that $75 million actually make?
If all other things are equal and there is no difference in location preference, then of course you will take the higher amount. But my point is that when dollar figures are that high, there are other things to consider aside from dollar amount.
Really?
What fantasy world/moral feel good horse hockey world do you live in?
$40M, doesn’t matter?
I think, the $275M, mattered more…..
No it doesn’t matter. When you have more money than you can ever spend, what is another $40 million or $400 million or $4 billion?
It’s all greed when you talk about more money than you actually need for a carefree life.
I’ll take $3T, thank you.
As long as you are okay with being greedy. I don’t care to live my life like that. Enjoy yourself.
I wonder if they checked in with the Twins to see if they’d match the offer. He liked it there and would get to stay at short
Weird. Probably Astros dodged a bullet in more than one way when he didn’t accept Cranes 5 year, $160M, $32M AAV offer in 2021. Not sure what the issue is if not his back. I guess Giants were not ok with it and Mets are ok with it ( probably, we’ll see what their physical turns up).
I bet Cohens losses from the Mets will be less than many of us spend on our hobbies in a year % wise vs our net worth.
Hey Giants, I hear Eric Hosmer is available.., LOL
If Cohen has no problem wasting a billion dollars on an unwatchable Lord of the Rings spin-off, why would we think he has any problem just throwing money at a roster?
I think it’s too early to tell if SF comes out smelling like roses or manure. If the medical issue is bad, they will leak it to assure fans they did the right thing.
So Kumar Rocker was too much of an injury risk and so was deGrom, apparently, but Correa isn’t?
degrom wanted to leavs simple as that
Do you know why Mets fans are still angry about him when they got Correa, Verlander, Senga, Robertson, Quintana, and more? Also, I heard they didn’t want to go past 4 years.
I think most Mets fans have accepted the fact that deGrom wanted to move on. And it seems accurate that the Mets wouldn’t go beyond 4 years, if that.
Jays need to be on the phone with the Mets and see if they can get Escobar. He is a switch hitter who can competently play 3B, SS, and 2B and is basically a slightly lesser fielding but light years better hitting Santiago Espinal. Actually, they could add Espinal in the trade package for Escobar so the Mets have a better fielding utility IF when, not if, when, one of their IF players get hurt.
Mets have a strong farm below AAA. Expected Cohen to overcompensate for last wilpon GM malpractice until that group – including their consensus elite 2022 draft – are further along. But this is beyond anyone’s predictions. Are they done now in FA market?
Steve Cohen – “YOLO”.
In any other year, in any other sport, on any other team, this would be a shocker.
But I will give Cohen credit here. He said that they were late to the table. For most owners & GMs, that’s just covering your butt. Apparently, Cohen was being truthful, and when the chance arose (grammar check?), he moved his chips in.
Cohen is doing what Dan Snyder did to the Washington Redskins when he took over – treats the adding of stars and big contracts like a fantasy team.
Except the NFL at least has a salary cap. What Cohen is doing is so obscene that I can understand why certain fans would stop watching the game (especially in smaller markets).
Cohen is just straight up bad for baseball
It stinks that the Giants didn’t get him because we need other NL West teams to get better so the Dodgers can’t buy their way to another division title. Mets’ buying is absurd too. MLB is a joke.
You can’t write a script better than this in Hollywood, what a twist!
While it pains me to say, anyone else feel like we’re getting closer and closer to a *possibly needed* salary cap? This offseason was ridiculous honestly. Now think of Ohtani’s contract next year. Is it crazy to say he’ll get $500 million? $600? If you think about deals this offseason, not crazy at all. Verlander got $43 AAV as an amazing pitcher, Judge got $40 AAV as the best hitter. $600 might even be short considering Ohtani’s worth in this market.
Throws off the competitive balance in baseball. It’s terrible for the sport
This is beyond absurd but the Yankees have been doing this on a smaller scale for a long long long time. In the 2000s they had payrolls that dwarfed the vast majority of the league.
The Dodgers have been too. I think there should be a luxury tax threshold then a hard cap. I think the Indians/Guardians and Tampa are the best organizations in baseball Based on performance for dollar spent. The Mets would be near the bottom
300m cap. 150m floor.
“A possibly needed salary cap”??? This garbage is horrible for this game. It creates such a disparity between the crazy spenders and the serious cheapskates. The cheapskate fan bases are going to be heavily turned off from their team after a month of baseball. Why bother??? MLB had to get this ridiculousness under control. Their product is supposed to be more than just 3-4 teams.
Yeah the current threshold numbers won’t support the market if salaries stay comparable to what they were this year. Players who aren’t elite are getting paid salaries beyond what elite players got a couple of years ago. The CBT wasn’t designed around this kind of jump. But usually there’s a bit of a market correction at some point, but like you said, I don’t think it’ll happen with Ohtani. He’ll break 500M easy.
Ok then. Not an ideal turn of events for a Giants fan. This free agency period has been quite the roller coaster.
The hyenas are going to circle The Giants and take more bites out of them, but they know that. They made what must have been the toughest of calls regardless of that. Respect. They aren’t lacking in discipline at the Giants. Zero easy options are taken. Will be interesting to hear their side of the story.
The Mets are projected to pay more in taxes than the projected 40-man payrolls of twelve teams. Amazin’.
All this still doesn’t change the fact that the Mets are asking two 40 year olds to anchor their rotation for a full season. I have a hard time seeing verlander and scherzer both pitching at a high level injury free at that age…let alone pitch deep into October.
Sorry, I have to vent here. My favorite player growing up was Dwight Gooden. It’s why I’m a Mets fan. I never thought I would like any player better but then came David Wright (yeah not even Piazza surpassed Doc). I never thought I’d like a player better than Wright but then came DeGrom.
When Cohen let DeGrom go I understood because that money could be better spent elsewhere. But now he makes a huge, unnecessary splash with money that could have been used to keep my hero.
I was excited when Cohen bought the team because I knew he wouldn’t be a cheapskate and would overpay to keep players like DeGrom. I know the Mets are great now but it’s just not going to be as fun or meaningful for me. I’m sure I’m in the minority but it’s just how I feel. But I guess Wilpons would have let him walk too so it was inevitable. Oh well. Thanks for reading this if you could get through it
@Lone Rangers: I feel your pain. The Braves let Freddie walk and brought in Olson. Nothing against Olson, but the little boy inside me was told he had to grow up. Puff that magic dragon sadly slipped into his cave.
I understand your disappointment. But it really seems to me that DeGrom didn’t want to return and the Mets weren’t comfortable with his injury issues.
So you turn the page, with new players to root for and new memories to be made.
This ride makes the 2016 Dexter Fowler signing look like child’s play.
In other news the Mets just signed 9 year old batboy Stevie Blankenship to a 3 year contract at 1 million a year. He has an opt out clause in 2025 in case he wants to go to middle school. He has a barrel rate of nearly 98% and his bubble gum disbursement covers nearly the entire dugout. MLBTR is happy happy happy for Stevie!!!! Whohoo!
As a Met fan, I don’t like this signing for a lot of reasons. Most will disagree. But I think beyond the first couple of seasons, they’ll regret this. And they might sooner than that if it prevents the team from signing Ohtani, extending Alonso, or developing Baty, who I think will become the better hitter, but that remains to be seen.
Personally, I think we’ll be lucky to get 140 games, 25-85 type of numbers, but a 130 OPS+, which means nothing in actual game production, will get people excited. His defense better be elite to make up for the offense he won’t provide to warrant the contract. Hope he proves me wrong.
And with this ridiculous spending, I’m starting to not like my own team. Oh well
Giants are the real winners here.
I’d call it a push at best.
They might be lucky to have finagled their way out of a desperate and bad contract. But now their offseason is shot, and the FO looks inept after getting cucked twice, by Judge and Correa.
They will look inept to people busting for them to be inept.
Reality is probably different. Professional organisation working professionally. Time will tell.
As a Angel fan.. signing Rendon didn’t take us to the playoffs, either would Correa alone do that for the Giants 13 years in a row.
Boone just drones on, lets get back to the Mets on the mlb channel. THE METS ARE AMAZING….
Carlos Beltran should be the next Mets manager. Sign verlander and Correa after you fired Beltran over the same thing.
May as well. Bring back the trash cans and buzzers.
After the Correa contract is finished, the Mets will still be paying Bobby Bonilla.
LOLmets endures.
This spending is becoming cartoonish.
Folks may forget how the NYM owned the city in mid – late 80s. It was like the moon landing for the #1 population market in America – everyone knows where they were when the ball rolled through Buckner’s legs. Cohen experienced that. Wants to reach for those heights again.
let’s not put on rose-colored glass about the 80s in the city.
The Mets and their fans have always been and will always be, khaki-wearing Jake from State Farm riding the city bus with a bagged lunch looking out the window as the Yankee limo passes by with pinstripe suits and hot babes chillin in the back seat, along with champagne and caviar flowing, and wondering why he wasn’t born to that kind of life.
The vast majority of Yankee and Mets fans are the same people switching hats based on the better story at the moment. There are plenty of die hards for both teams, but NYC is a big place with lots of front runners. You can’t discount them. Say them here in the 80s. Saw them in the 90s and 2000s for the Yanks.
One aspect of this I’m not going to love: the frontrunners. Citi is going to be swarming with them.
Some of my best sports memories have come from games where you know only the diehards are there. 14th inning, weekday game, chilly weather, both teams refusing to score. Or maybe it’s an 11-1 blowout where most of the fans have left by the 6th inning and you just chat up the folks around you.
I guess that’s silly of me, likely just a temporary emotional reaction to this unfamiliar territory. And bandwagoners always come with the territory of winning. It’s the same in every sport. I suppose it just feels a little different when you’re throwing huge gobs of money around rather than winning on the strength of a finely-tuned, well-oiled machine.
Good analysis drasco. I think a lot of your thoughts on this are spot on.
Like a child, realisticnyyfan makes those comments on the internet, and not to anybody’s face.
Thankful for sub .500 ball? Because that’s what the Giants are now and it doesn’t look like it’s going to change anytime soon..
The Giants came into the offseason claiming they had the resources to get any player they wanted. When the smoke clears they come up empty handed, but should be thankful in just a year or 2 after a couple 4th place NLW finishes?
This garbage is so bad for this sport. The imbalance that it has created will deter fanbases NOT in major markets to pretty much give up and ignore their teams. Well done, MLB… you’ve created this monster.
Exactly BabyBoyBlueDiamond! This is on Manfraud!
Makes me want to steal the bases from the playground diamond.
If there was a stupid tax, my Tigers would have to pay it for hiring AJ Hinch, offering slimeball Correa a big contract and getting refused, and this new wonderboy GM who froze at the winter meetings. And this after Leyland bumbled and stumbled with one of the best teams in Detroit history winning exactly ZERO World Series. Detroiters expect and deserve better.. pizza pizza
So why bother cheering for a team that isn’t rich? Watch the fan base collapse in a few years.
tampa has a fan base?
The battle for Cy Young in the N.L will have to start with the Mets. For the next year, if not for the next five years, Max an J.V are going to go head to head for it. J.V for sure will get his 300th win there, will Max opt out in 24 ? This Cohen guy has put some excitement back into baseball. With only the Yanks an Houston in the A.L, the National league has not been this exciting for a long time.
“Excitement”? I think it’s more like disgust.
Disgust ? What a hoot. This is what Free Agency promised at it’s inception, way back when. Building super teams. Collusion prevented what those guys in the 70s fought for, an won from happening. This is the most exciting off season in my memory of it. Hey, Detroit could do it, and they have in the past. Cheap owners beware, your lunch will be eaten if you don’t spend. This is great for baseball, and MLBtv , and cable will benefit.
Let me guess, Mets fan?
Baseball fan, sure wished me and my cousin could have found that old baseball card at the cabin years ago though. This buying spree is what makes baseball fun. This is a real exciting time to be seeing this happen. Super teams being built, with the free agents coming on line the next year, everyone will be charged up.
5 years? Lol both will be retired by then.
Retire ? Now that’s a real hoot. Haha. When the money is being offered at these amounts ? Oh come on, no one is going to retire if they are still throwing hard.
Spencer strider if he is healthy and starts 30 plus games will be the 2023 Nl Cy young winner.
That’s what baseball is all about, there’s always someone new to root for.
I’ll take the bet against that… will give me a reason to track Strider all year
I’m not saying this is a wise signing by Eppler & Cohen. Time will tell. But while Steve is investing his fortune into what he hopes to be the best team in baseball, Cashman & Hal, after giving a mammoth contract to Judge and a very big one to Rodon, seem to be balking at admitting the folly of trading for Donaldson last year and eating enough salary to get rid of him. These remarks from Boone about Donaldson are hard to take:
“He’s not far removed from doing it. I think still see the physical tools of the power and the bat speed, and we even saw plate discipline of times this year, too. He’s not far removed from doing it at a really high level. I also think he’s in a better place this winter as far as winter workouts and routines and what he’s able to do.”
‘Boone finished his thought with a powerful prediction:
“I think it’s foolish to bet against the guy that had a tough season offensively. I think he’s really motivated to show that that was a blip.”
nj.com/yankees/2022/12/is-josh-donaldson-done-yank…
He’s 37 years old. Who were you watching in 2022? He couldn’t hit fastballs averaging 94 MPH nor sliders averaging 93.7 MPH. Who regains bat speed at his age?
I hope Boone’s right, if they’ve told him he’s stuck with him. But I don’t think the odds favor his optimism. I can only hope they told him to play the salesman with comments like these in the hope they can move Donaldson, because entering 2023 with him as a starting third baseman would be another case of the kind of penny-wise and pound-foolish management that Cashman & Hal have displayed chronically.
Once you’ve sunk a fortune into two players, you need to finish the job and complete the team, otherwise you just wasted your money.
As annoying as it probably is to the fans of other teams, at least Cohen is intent on doing everything he can to fill every possible gap, and he’s not letting money — which he can readily afford — get in the way of his goal.
I stopped taking the Hal and Cash seriously last off-season when they were content entering the season with Gallo in LF and Hicks in CF. I could read the writing on the wall that this group wasn’t going to take competing seriously.
The typical Micheal Kay like answer is “well they are still one of the top teams in payroll” is tiring at this point. The money they do spend is spent lazily and without any real plan in play. Harper/Machado last year had the same cost as Hicks, Donaldson and Chapman so money spent isn’t necessarily money spent wisely.
Like you said this team is incomplete. It needed a radical transformation this off-season and we have seen nothing. Rodon is a really nice addition but they needed much more than that to fill the holes.
Yanks, I’m not saying you’re wrong, but let’s hear about your plan.
Comparing the salaries for one year of the players you mentioned is simply not logical.
It would do the Yankees no good to admit a mistake about a player that’s still on their roster.
It would do them a lot of good to enter the 2023 season with a more productive third baseman. Admitting the mistake doesn’t require them to publicly declare that Donaldson is done as a hitter. A front office always talks up a player they want to trade. They admit the mistake by trading him or cutting him, the former being the more likely, since he’s still a very good defensive third baseman. But they’ll have to eat a lot of salary to do it, and they should.
If that reply was to me , it’s not really connected to what I said.
It was in reply to this:
“It would do the Yankees no good to admit a mistake about a player that’s still on their roster.”
But your reply isn’t relevant. I was responding to someone who expected the Yankees to literally stand up on some dais and tell everyone what a terrible trade they made.
I never mentioned anything about holding on to Donaldson, not eating some of the money or anything related. I thought that part was all obvious to anyone.
Yanks4Life’s take is simply not based on reality.
Then I don’t know which comment you were replying to. Who said he “expected the Yankees to literally stand up on some dais and tell everyone what a terrible trade they made”? I missed that one.
Ok… it’s late and I got lost in the thread.
It’s your comments on what Boone said, remarks that were “so difficult to read.”
I mean, what do you expect him to say there?
What I expect him to do isn’t what he should do. What he should do, IMO, is refrain from overstating his case, e.g.:
“I think still see the physical tools of the power and the bat speed, and we even saw plate discipline of times this year, too.” (BTW, I cut and pasted the quotes, so the grammatical errors appeared in the published text and I didn’t bother to edit them.)
The bat speed was clearly not there, at least not to the degree it was there during his productive seasons in the past. This year marked his first in the past eight seasons that his Weighted Fourseam Fastball Runs Above Average was in the negative range. I saw pitchers throw high-velocity stuff right past him, didn’t you?
The whole world saw that , but what would the purpose be of not talking up your own player?
What purpose is served by obvious exaggeration? Do you think any GM in the league would be fooled?
Ok… so you admit that there is no downside to his comments.
In making himself seem silly by exaggerating so obviously, he undercuts the value of his opinion when he’s trying to talk up a player. That, in itself, is a downside.
Additionally, he undercuts his credibility with the fan base by denying what they’ve seen with their own eyes.
Neither of those is important at all in the grand scheme of things.
I don’t know what his reasons were, it may be as simple as showing support for Donaldson, who has had a hell of a career and might be doubting his ability after a terrible year.
At the very least, Donaldson would be appreciative as probably are the guys in the clubhouse.
Fair enough, DD. Those are good points.
But I’m with ya, I hope they can trade him.
The moment George Steinbrenner signed Dave Winfield to the first million dollar/year contract – the rubber hit the road.
Mmmmm, It was actually the Astros signing Nolan Ryan. That was the first million dollar contract but I get your point
While the Mets are on their spending spree, they may as well give Bobby Bonilla a contract extension as well!
Steve Cohen is th exact reason MLB needs a salary cap
You sir are in the majority. I’m not a Guardians or Rays fan, but how would you imagine they feel about this spending spree of Mr. Cohen? They do everything right and are simply outspent year after year.
Some fans would just say they should spend more or sell the team, as if everything is as simple as that. It’s ironic to think about.
Imagine an alternate universe where every team decided to spend more money to match Uncle Steve. In such a world, the payroll of every team would end up being more or less the same. So the same folks arguing against a cap and floor would essentially be clamoring for a world which would achieve the same effect.
I guess it comes down to what is fair and isn’t fair for different parties. Some fans argue it is fair for owners who spend more to have a better shot at winning. Other fans argue it isn’t fair for fanbases to pay the price when their owners either cannot or won’t spend as much to the point where it’s a competitive disadvantage. I’m firmly in the latter camp.
As a naturally competitive person, winning with a clear competitive advantage—regardless of whether it was achieved through legal or morally acceptable reasons—does little for me. I want to win on equal terms.
A hard cap is in baseballs best interest. The NBA has figured that out, so has the NFL and NHL. There is no way the Rays, Guardians or half of major league baseball can even get close to spending the way Cohen is. That’s why we have men playing other men, and not men playing women – because we want the game to be fair. Right now it’s not
I’m fully on board with one so long as it would be accompanied by a floor, which it almost certainly would have to be for the players to accept one.
The problem with your “theory” is that the top spenders aren’t usually the WS Champs and comparing to other leagues who generate money in different ways with weaker player unions isn’t really useful.
I’m all for attempting to wedge the gap but a hard cap doesn’t seem close to likely or even necessary.
who’s stopping them?
My personal view is that the Giants were lucky to dodge one here. While Correa is elite today, players fade a lot over thirteen years in today’s game.
Carlos Correa is a great player, but he’s never really lived up to its potential. His injuries just keep piling up. I don’t think that Mr. Crane of the Astros was unfair in offering him 6 years. To think of this guy playing at 40 years old is a considerable stretch, and if he is, it will obviously be at a much reduced level.
This is getting ridiculous it’s almost impossible to win when a team spends 100 million more then the second top spender.
I won’t fault Zaidi for this. I said months ago that any team that spent big for Correa when Boras refused to share the medicals until AFTER an offer was made was asking for trouble.
If you were interested in a used car and the owner refused to let you take it to a mechanic for a pre-purchase checkup, would you buy it?
If the Giants saw something troubling in his medical report, they did the right thing instead of letting Boras buffalo them into a bad contract. Ask yourself why Boras would be so quick to pivot to the Mets and leave $35 million on the table.
Rumor is the “medical condition” was an irregular heartbeat.
Farhan’s ….
POS FARHAN
First of all, it’s not Zaidi’s money; it’s the owners’ money. His job is to spend it wisely.
Second of all, you don’t know what was in the medical report that gave Zaidi pause, so on what basis are you bagging on him? He might just have saved his employers from a terrible contract.
Thirdly, Zaidi had already offered $35 million more than Cohen is paying, so why is Boras so quick to leave all that cash on the table?
If you know, please enlighten the rest of us.
Well said, Fink
Ok let’s continue the dumpster diving… Why don’t you go play for sf? Tell me the last star that signed as free agent with sf? Bonds?? 30yrs ago!!! This guys is a joke. 2021 season was a fluke… but they are not even a 500 team… 100 loss season on the way
Carlos Rodon 2021
Kevin Gausman 2019
Mark Melancon 2016
Johnny Cueto 2015
His leg in the minors???? 10 years ago
Thank you Fink :)))
Mr. Cohen.
Hire.the Superfife!
One thing i think is funny.
All you fire Farhan guys
With the contract at 350 million, do you think he, or really any other GM type would have more than a cursory say. if any say at all, in whether to void contract or not?
It is strictly an owner decision.
Can we blame him for some baseball decisions over the last few years. sure.
But this decision came strictly from the top of the organization, the owner.
Its like blaming a GM for letting a free agent go rather than signing him,
Would be like blaming Bloom for not signing Devers if it happens,
Aint his decision at all to spend 300 plus million.
Totally out of the GMs hands
Put the blame where it deserves to go, the ownership group
Anticipating the SFG position on this. What exactly gave them cold feet?
I dont think we will ever know due to hipaa laws guarding personal medical info in the US.
Yep. The details will never be released unless Boras – as a legal representative – or Correa address them directly and honestly. I doubt that happens – you never devalue the merchandise.
Gigantes just dodged a muy grande bullet. the Correa contract would have been a disaster.
The bar is being set, cheap owners, please sell if you won”t buy. Who will get Ohtani ? How much will it take to keep Alonso ? I know one thing, the stage is being built for guys in N.Y that want to play with the best. Baseball is the premier sport in America. If you build it, they will come, fans that is. Don’t be cheap owners.
The thing is, is that we don’t even know how we got here. Did Giants ownership void the deal? What was the “issue” that Giants Doctor’s didn’t agree with?
To me it sounds more like tampering on the Mets side and either Correa or Boras (or both) decided he’d rather be in New York. A deal came together way too quickly to be mere coincidence and again nothing from the Giants indicated the deal was off
How is it tampering on the Mets?? Right before the Giants “signed” him it had been reported that the Mets were very much in play for him. Tampering? Lol. If no contract has been signed then there obviously cant be any tampering.
Yes m, the Giants told Boras they would not complete the agreement.
With this move the Mets move up to #1 in my preseason power rankings.
1. Mets
2. Astros
3. Yankees
4. Dodgers
5. Padres
6. Phillies
Yeah that’s close enough to right. From a fans perspective though, how do you root for the Mets?
As a Mets fan since 1976 (when I was 6 yo) its VERY easy to root for them. Ive seen ONE WS title in that time, and that was 36 years ago. The Mets have a very loyal fan base….after all of the years of insanity with the Wilpons its only right that we get a guy like Cohen.
Wouldn’t you rather see them earn it though player development and smart spending rather than some gazillionaire just come in and start spending like a mad man?
no. i want to win. spedning money to do it is totally good with me.
Yankees number 3? Good one!
I don’t get it…if you are taxes 90% on every dollar over 293 million then wouldn’t that amount to a lot more in penalties? Shouldn’t they be paying $60 million in penalties?
They are. The Mets right now will pay $115M in luxury tax. It’s absurd, bad for the game.
Correa is a gamble health wise, been on the DL 7 out of 8 years in his career. Can he play 3rd base at an elite level?? Cohen is the new George Steinbrenner, remember when George would not even look at a payroll budget all he wanted to do is win.
One thing to consider is that these contracts are insured. If Correa can’t play after 5 years, insurance kicks in and Cohen get some of his investment back.
I remember thinking – wow when NYM shed Cano albatross contract next year, they will really have flexibility! Pretty clear Cohen doesn’t care. “Oh that’s a sunk cost – I’ll just eat it and get a better player for that position”. It’s….insane. And their farm is strong below AAA. So would think more a balance with youth will slowly emerge by 2024
Except all the positions will be blocked by ridiculous contracts. Angels of the NL!
cohen doesnt seem like a guy who is going to hang on to vets no longer producing
Marco Luciano is celebrating he is no longer blocked for 13 years.
Datashark, Aeverson Arteaga is the guy to watch. Still young but the buzz is on him now
Giants are a joke organization now
Thanks to flailing, failing Farhan
It’s December 21st and sports radio and tv shows are talking about baseball, How can anyone say Cohen is bad for baseball?
Yup. And this thread will hit 1000+ responses.
Uh, you do realize the entire media landscape is designed to promote outrage, controversy, and fear, right? And that it works? Doesn’t mean it’s healthy for society, though. Who cares if baseball is being talked about on Dec 21st?
It’s bad for the other owners = it’s bad for baseball, whether we agree or not. And so the issue will be addressed in the next CBA.
Cohen is spending more on luxury tax this year than many teams entire payroll. Over 110M taxes so far.
Thanks, Mr. Cohen. We appreciate the charity.
I think the Mets have slightly improved over last year now, huh? Looking for anyone to put up a statistical argument now. Not a what if or a yea but. A real one. I was taught not to spike the ball but: Gronk smash gif is in order here.
Hey Padres guy – still think I’m jealous?
I think the Mets can adapt the 2017 Eagles mantra now: No one likes us, we don’t care
You better hope they don’t adopt the 2011 “Dream Team” Eagles
LOL. Agreed.
hard to improve much on an already pretty dominant 101 wins
Yet somehow they have. Scherzer missed time, deGrom basically was a no show and they played half a year with JD Davis and Don Smith at DH. Crazy spending and very worried that Baty could get traded (I honestly believe he will be an Allstar caliber player). But wow. It’s clear as long as Cohen runs things we will have fun every year or die trying. Have to love it.
This is a bad contract from a standard business stance. Steve Cohen does not run a standard business
Buyer’s remorse saves franchise. Congrats, SF. Now go sign a couple of quality players for rational prices and improve your team, sensibly. You are going to be so much happier in a year or two.
Can’t trust a cheater
@ama can’t trust Farhan or the current Giants front office either
Better be serious why they flagged. Cause sf really f’d up..
I’d like to see Elon buy the Tigers that’s a real thing, not some vaporware like Twitter. Cohen is showing the kid, Chris I what he should be doing in the future, buy some good players. This Cohen guy is taking the baseball world by the horns an shaking it up. Don’t be cheap he’s saying.
Cohen being an actual life-long Mets fan doesnt hurt either.
Cohen is going way overboard with these actions in mho. Personally I think the Giants got a huge break. While Correa is no doubt a very good SS..so what? The Astros won the title without him, and the Twins were under .500 with him..plus he has a bad rap sheet for injury,and it’s not like he is a huge offensive star(he’s good,but highly overrated). 13 years with this guy? Giants need to do the right thing..try to trade off all/most of your vets and go all into a full rebuild. It’s the same thing the Astros did..the Royals did b4 them, and now Baltimore is on the cusp of something great because while they were losing..they received the best draft picks,and stockpile them. They need to get young again
As a Dodgers fan waking up to this news is like Christmas morning.
I would have loved my division rival to be stuck with that awful contract. Dodger fans shouldn’t like this news.
Something to bear in mind: The Mets haven’t completed a physical examination of Correa yet. This deal is no more completed at this point than San Francisco’s was.
Good point, with ramifications either way. If he doesn’t pass a second physical, good luck finding another suitor. If he does pass the physical, what really happened in SF?
Apparently whatever it is, multiple teams don’t have a problem with it. Undoubtedly the Mets know what the hang up was in SF
Don’t you think it’s curious that Boras pivoted to the Mets so fast when the Giants had never said anything about backing out of the deal? Why such a rush to leave $35 million on the table?
sounds like he gave them days to decide. that’s not really that fast
After J.D. Martinez submitted to a physical exam in February 2018, the Red Sox delayed for five days over concerns raised by exam before they finally sealed the deal. It’s my understanding that the Giants never even got to the stage of examining Correa. They simply voiced concerns about things on the medical reports given to them by Boras.
My guess is, they were mulling some restructuring of the contract to protect themselves, and Boras bolted to the Mets. Again, why the big hurry when it cost his client $35 million?
Despite many thinking this unnecessary, from the Mets perspective this is a move that they absolutely had to make,
The Mets have spent hundreds of millions this offseason getting back to where they were last year, which is one superstar away from winning the division and having a real shot at making it to the world series. Without Correa this money seems like a total waste as they aren’t even the favorites to win the division. Their offense just was not good enough at the end of the year. They also know they will likely have to beat the Astros if they make it to the world series.
Unfortunately with the amount of free agents they had hit the market this year there was really no other way if they wanted to be up there with the best. This is what they will have to do until they rebuild their broken farm system, as trading young prospects is not the answer.
At the end of the day they paid fair market value given the contracts that Turner received and all the $$ being thrown around this offseason. They have paid fair market value or around fair market value for every player that they signed this offseason. I think many of these players had higher or similar offers on the table and decided to join the Mets.
it also gives them an elite defender at shortstop if Lindor gets injured. Right now they don’t really have a legitimate backup that can play short,
Many say Correa is not worth the money because he is injury prone. Well, so is Aaron Judge who just got paid $40 million for 9 years.
They will need contributions from their young players such a Alvarez and Baty to make it to the top. They will definitely have significant injuries however they should be able to manage given their depth.
Now, get Trout to play catcher.
woo hoo,. the mets just signed the reincarnation of edgardo alfonzo for 300 million.
if i recall fonzies post 30 years and baseball career came to an abrupt halt. pretty quickly..
this deal could get ugly fast
That’s quite a reach but I hope you’re right.
I like the owner of the Mets, but I think this time he threw his money before really thinking about what he is getting, Boras may have pulled a fast one on Cohen and the Mets front office. Why won’t Boras release Correa’s medical, that is the reason the Giants medical staff put up red flags on Correa. Sounds like the reason for the red flags is that Correa has had back issues in the past, the older he gets the more chronic the back gets. He has been on the DL 7 times in 8 seasons, a couple of times for back issues. This is a risky signing, but I guess you have to take chances to win. But 12years 315million glad it is not my money.
Agreed. If Cohen wanted to throw more money around, he should’ve ponied up for another star or near-star level players earlier in the offseason. Unlike some of the team’s other moves, this reads more as an emotional decision than a logical one.
Where does CC rank as a 3b assuming he will be average to above average defensively? Obviously guys like Bregman, Ramirez, Machado, Devers, Riley, Arenado are obviously ahead of CC whether he plays a good 3b or not, but would he even be considered a top 10 3b?
7th at best.
I’ll say he’ll work out to be a top 5 rated 3rd baseman . Totally based on Correa’s metrics at 3rd…
Correa has never played third base in the majors. Curiously, Baseball Reference credits him with one start at third in the minors in 2015 but 0.0 innings at the position. I don’t know how that works.
Suffice it to say he’s starting cold at the position. Statcast says that at shortstop he moves well to his right but poorly to his left. That should help him field shots close to the line, but Lindor is probably going to have to be on his toes to field balls to Correa’s left. Fortunately, Francisco moves very well to both sides.
Wow, talk about “pot committed?” They’re in it to win it.
Hopefully, Scherzer and Verlander can stay healthy.
MLB = WWE
bah gawd!
IF Correas’ ❤️ heart wasn’t in San Francisco ….
then,
what’s the point?
“I left my thirty-five million in San Francisco.
High on a hill, it calls to me.”
Cohen’s made enough money shorting stocks this year! He’ll take a big fat loss on the Mets!
W! T! Flip!!!!!!!!!! I hope the doctors for the giants are right!! Also how are the Mets able the just throw money at people?? I’m an A’s fan so this system depresses me. There has to be some kind of limit here no?
They have a owner who actually wants to win over making profits.
Understand they went for Carlos so late that we missed out because on Swanson too.. wow
We missed out on every big free agent, as always. Swanson was not the answer to anything. Farhan and Kapler gotta go
Let’s see if I understand this correctly. The Giants doctors said Correa was healthy but the front office didn’t want to spend the money?
Last place Giants that won’t sign any other free agents of note any time soon is what I see.
They saw me trash it and had to get out of it.
Farhan is too cheap and scared to sign anyone longer than 3 years. Kapler chases free agents away thinking his job is a politician. They both gotta go.
wow, this will come up to over $800 million dollars in signings THIS offseason alone, taking them to $380 million dollar 2023 payroll!!! With the taxes, the Mets will end up paying close to a half billion dollars in 2023. They BETTER win a World Series. LOL. Wonder how much prices will go up for Mets fans this year? Stro has to be upset because they refused to pay him and he ended up with the rebuilding Cubs. Wow! Again, baseball needs a salary cap, period.
stro has a big twitter mouth
Another great move by the Mets. Stroman excels pitching on mediocre teams.
One of the worst contracts in sports. Over 300 million for a hated player who you don’t even need at the valuable ss position. 300 million for a 800 ops 3b. Just wow.
hated by who? i dont hate him.
I hope it works out for Mets fans, I bare than no umbrage. But it is a lot of money to pay for a player who has serious health concerns, and now will be playing out of position, to boot.
One thing you have to say, for the battle of New York Cohen is beating out Steinbrenner. Cohen is certainly putting his money where his mouth is, regardless of what you think about this signing. Steinbrenner, it’s your move.lol.
Pretty sure Steinbrenner doesn’t care. The Yankees will still likely make the playoffs and anything can happen after that.
Sure, anything can happen but they’ve gotten really good at not winning a championship since 2009.
@metsfan. Obviously you are not a Yankees fan, but I cannot argue with you about that.
At least they get the postseason every year, which is not something that your team can say or other teams can say either.
Although for me, I would rather see them not get to the postseason sometimes, if it meant that when they did get there they could get further in the playoffs. But in actuality, one thing has nothing to do with the other.
@shea. anything can happen, you can apply that to anything anywhere and it’ll still be applicable. I am more interested in what is likely to happen, and what is likely to happen is a loss to the Astros in the postseason yet again, unless certain deficiencies are corrected, which they have not been.
And whether or not Steinbrenner cares, solely depend upon whether it affects his pocket book or not. That’s the bottom line.
Exactly what I was implying. There’s no next move because his bottom line look good enough to him. Don’t think he cares about any battle for NY. At least, not yet.
In light of Carlos Correa going to the Mets, the Giants should sign outfielder Jurickson Profar and infielder Jean Segura. They’re both very good players who can hep the team and don’t cost a ton.
Should have signed Judge, Correa and Profar
@#FireFarhan: They tried signing Judge and they thought they’d signed Correa. With all that unspent money, they should pick up other good available players who don’t require ginormous contracts, including Profar and Segura.
Give it a rest #FireFarhan, go outside and get some fresh air,
Spending a ton doesn’t guarantee anything I love Zaidi.
Does this ever end? When does this run away spending stop and mostly from the the top 3-5 teams that are always in the mix for the best players. If I was a Met fan I would not be excited that the only reason we are so good was because we had an owner that was mega rich and did not care what he spent. People point to the Yankees have not been to a WS since 2009. Yes but they have pretty much been in the conversation each of those years and only missed the playoffs three times in the last 13 years. I know of about 25 other teams who would take that! Yeah there are other owners who could spend more but choose profit of wins but even if they spent more they would not come close to the $150-$300 million the big market teams spend. And if the Reds, Pirates etc did up their payroll more then don’t you think the Mets, Yankees of the baseball world would up their limit as well? Most players are playing for the highest bidder. Why would blue chip player A want to go to a team like the Reds who would pay him 10M when that player could go to the Mets for 15M and a far better chance of going to the playoffs and beyond? If baseball were not such a great game I would have stopped watching and caring long ago.
As a Mets fan I am very excited to benefit from Cohen’s money as a fan.
Metsfan, that is understandable. I will enjoy watching them also, even though they are not my number one team but maybe number two.
Where is the competition? Where is the fairness? It’s like shooting fish in a barrel. Well enjoy the best team money can buy.
I don’t know how any team would be happy with Correa’s contract. I think the Giants lucked out and in landing him. Way overpaid for a guy who can’t play a full season.
Well, even though it’s early, I can predict the NL East today and give comment.
1 – Braves: best team in the division until someone shows on the field that they can take the division title from them.
2 – Mets: Wild Card team. Still has to prove on the field that they can beat the Braves. We’ll see.
3 – Phillies: Will be good, but not up to strength until Harper is back. They just need to stay as close as possible to a playoff spot.
4 – Marlins: Nothing done; nothing achieved. All of us Marlins fans will do as Kim Ng and just sit back, drink lemonade, eat popcorn, and watch everyone else contend. All we need is to book as many interviews and Kim Ng will this season, and we’ll be exactly like her.
5 – Nats: in rebuild. Let’s see how their season goes.
For all the folks pushing the tired narrative that every MLB team should spend like Cohen does, here’s a refresher for you
mlbtraderumors.com/2021/12/mlb-owners-net-worth.ht…
Roughly a third of the league’s owners have a net worth of $1.5 billion or less, with 6 owners having a net worth below a billion.
Steve Cohen is worth $16 billion. Only two owners have a net worth even half of that.
In that case, they should sell the team.
Just like you move out when your rent goes up. Times change and things get more expensive. There are plenty of multi billionaires looking to buy baseball teams that are willing to put in what it takes and not only generate income for themselves.
You don’t think the Braves earned enough from last years World Series to resign Swanson?
No, what you’re referring to would be MLB pushing out a bunch of owners at once. Sounds nice in theory but good luck ever getting that to happen, especially when Manfred works FOR the owners.
In a perfect world, the fans of these teams would simply stop going to games or watching them at home, purchasing merchandise, etc. After all, the fastest way to force the hands of the offending owners would be to change the profit equation for them, the main reason why they spend as little as they do. Make it untenable to maintain control of the team and they’d be forced to sell.
Since that’s never going to happen, at best, we’ll have to wait for individual owners to get pushed out if and when something bad about them would be revealed to the public, hopefully leading to enough backlash where there would be cover for a removal (think Sarver with the Suns). Other than that, ballpark relocations are the next best bet. The Rays and Athletics, for instance, may not have the same excuse to not spend if they would actually play in better ballparks in better areas.
“There are plenty of multi billionaires looking to buy baseball teams that are willing to put in what it takes and not only generate income for themselves.”
Says who? You? How do you know this for a fact? Or what would you be basing this belief on? The solution here isn’t to pray that new owners will save the day, even if those with deeper pockets would theoretically offer a greater amount of spending. It’s for MLB to amend its rules, if not via a cap and floor then something else. Again, it won’t be easy to get such changes passed, but hopefully Cohen’s spending spree will be the catalyst to force change upon Manfred and the owners.
Wow, I forgot about that. Such a shame that MLB prevents so many billionaires from owning MLB teams while having so many owners that are barely billionaires and others that aren’t.
The way the game is going, MLB and the MLBPA will need to determine if they want it to continue being a spending free-for-all or if they want a structure that puts every team on a level playing field. If they want the spending to continue like this with so many teams having no chance, then MLB is going to need to contract some teams – from my observation, down to 24 teams. Or, they need a Cap&Floor system that has other modifications that keeps things balanced, only allows for competent owners, and allows MLB to compete in the markets where it’s failing and the NFL and/or NBA strive.
Yeah, it’s a tough problem to deal with with when the disparity between some teams would already be so wide. Cohen entering the picture just took it to another level.
If the circumstances were different, maybe there would be more options on the table but with things as they are I think a cap and floor system is the only feasible solution since I don’t think MLB would be willing to contract down that far. Eliminating two teams might be more palatable, but what would be the point of doing so since it wouldn’t go far enough?
The other thing I’d really push for is ballpark relocations. Some of low payroll teams exist in viable markets that they just aren’t able to tap into due to location and/or venue issues. Solving those might help the issue some.
I agree. Ballpark relocations would help as it is no accident that LA and NY teams have the most money to spend. However if it came to my team I would vote NO to relocation. I know that’s selfish but unless your averaging 10k fans a game I would rule that out as an option. Baseball is a broken runaway train. What is the end game here? Will the 20-25 teams who realistically do not have a chance at even the playoffs year after year finally put a stop to this disparity and run away spending?
Don’t see how any of that is relevant because the owner doesn’t directly pay the players. The teams do. The owners get % of profits as income. They more revenue the team can bring in, the more they can spend on players. If they aren’t profitable they use lines of credit from banks like any other company. Unless the owner is the lender to the team, but I would think that would be illegal since they could put the team in debt, lend money to it, and then make a ton more money on the loan interest. Eventually yes, the owner is responsible for the company debt, but usually there are other legal options such as bankruptcy that occur first. Cohen is going to Bankrupt the Mets at this pace.
He’s willing to use his own personal money. They are fine. He’s not running it as a business. For him it’s a hobby and not even an expensive one.
He can’t do that directly. The Mets are a corporation and require payments to be made from their business account which has to be separate from Cohens personal accounts or other business accounts because of how they are taxed. Plus while Cohen is super rich and surely has plenty of cash on hand, most of his wealth is tied up in assets. Probably some are very liquiditable, though.
Their is also payroll tax, another reason he can’t pay out of his own pocket. The local TV contract of $52 million a year plus 65% take of SNY advertising revenue isn’t really all that impressive of media deals so it’s doubtful their annual revenues, as things sit, are enough to keep the team out of the red. But what Cohen can do it sign off on the club operating in debt and taking loans pay expenses. With the hope a WS or two are won to help bring in additonal revenues to help pay off the debt incurred. But if it doesn’t work out, he could really be setting the Mets up for decades of despair. Which Mets fans should be used to already. He’d then eventually sell the team to pay off the debts while profiting from the teams increased worth and the corporation would start over again.
but they are a private corporation not a publicly traded company cant he simply invest his money as equity into the business like any other private investor?
I don’t think he can invest his own money as equity, because that would be buying shares, and where are the extra shares coming from? He, or one of his firms, may be able to be the financial institution to finance the Mets to pay for the debts they can’t cover. But I would think that would be breaking some sort of anti trust laws. I’m putting the Mets in debt to then borrow money from another asset he owns that will be paid back with interest seems like it wouldn’t be allowed. But if it was, what a gig for Cohen. He could probably write a personal check to the financing firm to pay off the loans though. But I don’t think he’d do that for tax purposes again.
My greater point was some fans expect all owners to be capable of going on a spending spree, to the point where some of those owners would be doing charity work by intentionally losing money despite having a net worth not even close to that of Cohen.
Yes, some owners are just cheap when their net worth and team profitability should easily justify an increase in spending. But that isn’t the case for all of them. To paint them all with such a broad brush is silly.
It is 11 hours since this story posted, and it is getting approximately 80 comments per hour. Correa might not have the highest AAV, but this story may get the highest ACPH.
Mark, if you’re going to start a sentence with “but” as in “But, Carlos Rodon left the team to also sign with the Yankees, removing another star from the 2022 roster” you don’t need a comma after but.
I think a lot of Mets fans going be disappointed with Correa as a third baseman. I will say he was a top shortstop but alot of his wins above replacement were in defense. Now moving to third he lacks the power and mvp type numbers that alot of the league third baseman put up. As far as third baseman go he will be average maybe not even make an all star team at there is Arenado and Riley both way ahead of him.
Alex Rodriguez was a 40 home run 100 rbi when he moved positions Correa never been close to that
i think a lot of what you say is fair. the counterpoint being that Correa is a pretty significant upgrade in OBP over Eduardo Escobar and that has a lot of value.
I assume his defense is also an upgrade over Escobar at 3rd?
So + defense and + offense compared to Escobar.
Correa was also solid in the playoffs in ‘20 and ‘21, 1.221 OPS and .768 OPS respectively… 7 HR and 26 RBI in 107 ABs over those 2 years.
Please don’t put Correa and Arod in the same sentence. Please don’t.
If Arod was playing now he’d of got 10 for 500 million. Easily
The funny thing is that Correa isn’t Arod. Anyone who compares this to what Arod did when he was a Yankee. Or him moving his position. That’s a joke. Arod is still top 5 as a SS
I just spent a lot of time reading most of the comments here. Lots o f people are demanding a salary cap because all this spending is creating a massive disparity between the haves and the have-nots. I don’t feel that way at all. The teams that have won it all the last few years are not all in financially so what is the advantage to a salary cap except to prevent baseball players especially the really good ones to reap the benefits of an owner who wants that particular player playing for his team? Mr. Cohen and the Mets have spent money in the past and barely made it to the playoffs. Same goes for Steinbrenner and the Yankees. The Rays had an exceptional amount of injuries or they would have been in the playoffs again without hardly spending any money on salaries. Spending money only guarantees individual players end up with a lot of money and does not guarantee success in the regular season or playoffs. Some owners want profits some want the best players on their team with the thought that doing so will give them a better chance at winning it all. From what I have seen the teams with the most amount of money to spend do not advance any further than the teams with good scouts and front office personnel and often luck with injuries along the way. No ceiling cap is going to change that and no way are the players ever going to accept that. The small market teams get lots of money from the big spenders too so why look a gift horse in the mouth, imo.