Ahead of the Winter Meetings, the Marlins have made it clearly known that Sandy Alcantara will not be traded, reports Jon Heyman of The New York Post. Heyman adds that the Fish will listen to offers on “almost anyone” else.
Fresh off a unanimous Cy Young award, Alcantara seemed likely to remain with Miami through the offseason, with today’s news reaffirming that notion. Nevertheless, the Marlins have previously displayed a willingness to trade from their rotation surplus, sending Zach Thompson to Pittsburgh in exchange for catcher Jacob Stallings. However, the organization has made it clear that the 27-year-old, who is signed through the 2026 season with a 2027 team option, is off the table.
With that being said, the Marlins still boast a plethora of talent that may be moved as the team looks to boost the offensive production.
Pablo Lopez will likely be the next name floated in trade scenarios. The righty pitched to a strong 3.75 ERA in 180 innings with solid strikeout (23.6%), walk (7.2%), and ground ball rates (46.7%) during the 2022 season. Career-wise, Lopez has pitched 510 innings of 3.94 ERA baseball with a 23.2% strikeout rate, 6.7% walk rate, and 47.8% ground ball rate. Lopez, who turns 27 years old in March, is in his second year of arbitration eligibility and will be a free agent after the 2024 season. As of late July, the Marlins had yet to engage in extension discussions with Lopez’s management and were listening to trade offers for the hurler.
Jesus Luzardo is another potential Marlins’ trade candidate. Arriving from Oakland halfway through the 2021 season, Miami sent the hard-throwing lefty down to Triple-A to work on his mechanics before bringing him back to the major league roster as a starting pitcher. Despite missing over two months due to a left forearm strain, the 25-year-old was able to pitch 100 1/3 innings of 3.32 ERA baseball, with a hefty 30.0% strikeout rate, 8.8% walk rate, and 40.7% ground ball rate. As a super-two eligible player, Luzardo has four years of team control left before reaching free agency. However, despite his strong 2022 season, Luzardo stumbled to a 5.66 ERA in 154 1/3 innings across the 2020 and 2021 seasons, losing his role with the A’s staff before joining Miami.
Trevor Rogers is yet another talented and controllable Miami starter. A rookie All-Star in 2021, Rodgers experienced a sophomore slump with the Fish, pitching to a 5.47 ERA in 107 innings. Perhaps most troubling is that the lefty saw a sharp decline in his strikeout rate compared to his 2021 campaign (28.6% in 2021 compared to 22.2% in 2022). Nevertheless, the 25-year-old is only one year removed from a 2021 season in which he threw 133 innings of 2.64 ERA ball, finishing runner-up in Rookie of the Year voting to Reds’ second baseman Jonathan India. Rogers is only arbitration-eligible after the 2023 season, having missed this year’s super-two cutoff.
Edward Cabrera and Braxton Garrett are other starting pitchers that may find themselves the subject of trade talks as the offseason continues, but both of them have less than a year of service time and will likely factor into the Marlins’ future plans.
Still not gonna trade him, wow they still wanna have him.
Why not trade Alcantara? He’ll never have a higher trade value and it’s not like the Marlins are building to contend or even try. They are only in the league to develop players at the big league level for other teams that want to try, aren’t they?
Their GM will have them shaped up and turned into a powerhouse within 3 or 4 years.
That will make it one of the better 23-24 year rebuilds in history.
They won a World Series more recently than 23 years ago.
Hahahahahahah
Hiflew was responding to me saying they are 3 or 4 years away from beating everyone. His timeline adds up.
No, it doesn’t. Marlins were competitive in 2008-2010. I know it was a “joke” but it also kind of wasn’t and it’s incorrect. Marlins committing to a rebuild 4 years ago or so instead of barely treading water was a major turning point for that franchise. Inept /=/ rebuilding.
The only time they had a chance was 2020 NLDS.
Powerhouse is a stretch. They won’t be anything more than a fringe contender.
Ry, that’s what I meant to say..Typho..
With what offense?
That’s what they said 5 years ago when they bought the team…
Absolutely. Alcantara should be seen as the premiere trade candidate because of his value and rotation depth. Let’s face it, the Marlins need a new/better player at every position on the field except 2B or SS, whichever Chisholm plays. They could fill about four of those needs by trading Sandy to LA for Cartaya, Vargas, Busch and Outman.
LOL everybody saying the Marlins don’t try then follow with they should trade away their best pitcher.
I believe they should trade away their best pitcher BECAUSE they don’t try.
Have you watched him in game, pitching? I watched him through his short time in stl mlb and it’s rare you find a pitcher with so much to offer. It was a mistake on stl side, but they did what they did. To think he will have a down year in the future is going to leave you disappointed. He will be signing a massive contract, probably not with Marlins but his trade value isnt going down. Do some video watching on his career.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Jesus Luzardo on the north side of Chicago.
Wonder what that trade package would look like.
What if I offer a weekly delivery for a lifetime of Kielbasa would that sway the Marlins
Lefty, I’ll take that deal! Easy choice!
LOL but you are not the Marlins
I know I just had to volunteer my services on that one…Weekly lifetime supply of Kielbasa is too good to pass up for anyone.
A weekly delivery for a lifetime of Kielbasa? That sounds like it would make an interesting pickup line in a bar.
If the Marlins don’t reach out to the Pirates about Reynolds, they are damn foolish.
They did last season. But yeah should try again if they are going to contend.
It would be a very bad look for the Marlins to trade Alcantara on an affordable contract after becoming the first Cy Young award winner in franchise history after giving away Stanton after his 58 HR MVP season
Stanton was a big contract, Alcantara is affordable.
Trade Rogers or Luzardo for a position player, preferably CF or 3B. Alek Thomas would be a great swap!
Trade Lopez to Arizona and you could probably get Thomas and Josh Rojas and fill both positions in one trade
Neither Josh nor Emmanuel push the meter enough to trade Pablo. But Rogers or Luzardo for Alek Thomas works.
So – you are implying that the attendance might drop from 1000 fans per game down to 300 in that event?
That joke stopped being funny 28 years ago. It’s almost as dumb as “Let’s go Brandon”. Modern America, Oy vey.
The fish need hitting and improved defense, then I can see a wild card berth next year.
It’s a very poor offense and despite all the young arms only a top third pitching staff. They need to spend on a FA or two to really compete. I can’t fathom them doing it on trades alone.
The Marlins need pretty much everything at every position and Sandy Alcantara and to a lesser degree Pablo Lopez are the only players who have a chance of keeping them from competing for the top draft picks in the 2024 draft!
Marlins should definitely trade him.
They have so many holes and most of them could be filled for years to come by trading him at peak value.
Plus you can always ask for a highly regarded pitching prospect or 2 back from teams.
If youre the dodgers Miller Vargas Pages Pepiot certainly have value
Or Yankees
Volpe or Peraza, Dominguez, Wells.
There’s a lot of near ready pieces the Marlins could build a contender with and still have a good pitching staff.
I am sure if some team over paid they would trade him. We should feel good that a team like the marlins are hanging onto some stars and looking to contend at a certain point. Unlike the athletics that tear away everything of value
Sure if Seattle offers Julio Rodriguez they can get Alcantara and the Fish will through in Meyer and Sixto. Not gonna happen.
If the fish get some offense with their pitching staff they could easily be a wild card contender or better.
They have gold in their young pitching
Lopez for German & Pereza…
@dano62- No they’ll likely want Dominguez or Peraza in a López package, because Alacantara isn’t available for a trade.
I’d love to see the Yankees get Trevor Rogers. Something centered around Gleyber and Everson Pereira might interest the Marlins
A deal for Yankee prospects would have to center around Volpe or Peraza and include a lot more. This is a Cy Young pitcher, a star. Torres and Pereira are nothing.
Oops. Scratch that. I thought you were talking about Alcantara. Rogers I don’t know well enough to evaluate your proposal.
Marlins would not want a high priced player like Gleybor who would be gone soon. Marlins would want cheap controllable guys like Peraza, Luis Gil, Jason Dominguez, Volpe and Randy Vasquez.
The Yankees and Marlins nearly completed a trade involving Gleyber and Pablo Lopez at the deadline so I’d say the Marlins definitely have interest in Gleyber. Pereira is also capable of playing CF and the Marlins are widely rumored to pursue a CF this offseason. Trevor Rogers isn’t fetching any blue chip prospects coming off a rough season
The only way Marlins take Gleyber is if a prospect included along with him entices them
Yes… Everson Pereira, I feel like this is going in circles now
The Mariners need to gauge what they would need to include along with Kolten Wong (obviously a lot) to get Jazz Chisholm. They both are solid defenders who hit left-handed and neither one can hit lefties if the pitchers were duct taped in a chair, placing the ball on a tee, while Jazz and Wong swung bats that looked like a telephone pole. However, Jazz is a lot younger with more upside and Wong could be a good leader in the clubhouse for the Marlins. By getting Wong, the Marlins could turn the rest of the return into positive gains for the team. This kind of trade could help improve the Marlins chance of getting back to some level of respectability, while the Mariners would increase their competitive window and in-turn their sustainability!
You can have Miguel Rojas for Won’t cuz Marlins are not giving up on jazz.
Especially for what they traded him for.
Wouldn’t mind seeing Rogers on the Guardians.
I wouldn’t mind the Marlins trading Rogers for one year of Ahmed Rosario and a non-top thirty 3B in A ball
At some point these small market teams have to try and compete. They develop these players (I.e. Alcantara in Miami, Reynolds’s in Pitt) into All stars. They gotta try and win with them. Trading them for more prospects just kicks the can down the line. By the time someone like Anthony Volpe or Jordan Walker is ready to be a major contributor the Marlins will be looking to move Cabrera, Pérez or Rogers for more prospects. At some point you gotta say these are the guys we’re gonna try and win with and hold on to them.
Pirates are about ready to compete and Reynolds wants out. I wouldn’t want to extend him either. He isn’t a good cf and I have concerns about his bat aging well.
@Ronk325- the Yankees are a lot higher on López then Rogers. If there’s a trade with the Yankees for López, it will likely include Gleyber, Pereira, Sweeney, Schmidt or German.
What kind of dumb organization would trade Alcantara?
*weeps*
The fact that they’ve even considered trading Alcantara is pure insanity imo. That’s basically the FO saying, “We’ve decided to extend the rebuild by another 2 or 3 years.” I know they have a lot of needs at most positions, but trading an affordable #1 who just won the Cy Young should be unthinkable for the FO.
@solaris he’s referring to the Cardinals trading to the Marlins.
Marlins aren’t thinking of trading Sandy. The article make it clear.
They will likely trade a starter for hitting. Then still have not enough hitting and a weaker rotation. Team needs to flat out spend more and be better at devleloping young hitting.
The Garcia/Soler thing didnt work out but signing a few more guys like that while hoping Soler/Garcia bounce back is a reasonable strategy. Even a mid level offense w their pitching makes a wild card a maybe.
They have one of the most talented rotations in baseball going into next season… why not ACTUALLY try to win? They’ve been rebuilding for like 20-years now.
The Cardinals really messed the bed on that trade.
Alcantera AND Gallen.
Worst trade in franchise history?
The worst trade in Cardinals history is Carlton to the Phillies
Berkner, you are probably right about the Carlton trade. Consider he wanted $65k and ownership refused. That would equal $463k in today’s money which demonstrates how crazy the salaries have reached. The following year Lefty won 27 games for the Phillies and the Cy Young award.
I’d go even further. I would argue that Carlton’s 1972 season was the best ever individual performance by a pitcher in the history of the game. He not only won 27 games and the Cy Young, but he did it for the equivalent of a 100 loss team. The Phils likely would have lost 100 games that year had they played 162 instead of 156.
But, will they trade him though?
If Jeter was still with the Marlins they would trade him to the Yankees for a bag of balls
Sandy Alcantara is 27 years old, has 5 years of cheap control and is coming off of a Cy Young award. A trade for Alcantara would look a lot like the trade for Juan Soto, especially now that pitchers are costing so much.
I’d liken it more to the return of Blake Snell. A couple of top prospects and a couple of lotto level guys. Soto’s trade was boosted by his age and by the inclusion of Josh Bell, who people just tend to gloss over. I doubt we will ever see that type of return again. Especially since it didn’t exactly work out that well for the Padres.
Texas might match up in a deal for Lopez or luzardo
That age, that contract, that production, too much value. No team can in their right mind offer enough value to make such a deal unless some bad money is coming with him but I’m sure the Marlins would prefer to max the return and none of their contracts are so disastrous anyway
Marlins need a CF, a 1B and either a SS or 3B to compete. Also need a closer. I say turn Sixto into a closer. They will need to be aggressive to make trades. Not like the approach they took this past trade deadline.
stretch,
From the Dbacks, CF Jake McCarthy, left handed bat; Christian Walker 1b, 36 HR and 94 RBI; and Josh Rojas 3b left handed bat
For Pablo Lopez, Jorge Soler and Tanner Scott. Trade $22M, take back <$9M, and use that $13M to spend on a Closer, etc.
I would take this In a heartbeat but I doubt d backs want Soler. Could see a younger option like Burdick or bleday going tho
McCarthy and Rivera for Rogers?
Call the White Sox. They need lefthanded pitching.
Dbacks could offer Jake McCarthy, Christian Walker and Josh Rojas to the Marlins for Pablo Lopez, Jorge Soler and Tanner Scott
Or, try and compete. I know that’s a crazy thought. Grab few gritty role guys, with a solid rotation and the best pitcher they could compete for a wild card.
Mike Elias on line one for you Kim Ng.
@theFiend; interesting. With what your suggesting, Orioles may be a good partner? Os infield starters Urias and Mountcastle (both show level proven) for Lopez and maybe a younger low level SP prospect like a Milbrandt.
The Fish and the Birds have recent trade history. Shocked if Ng and Elias aren’t already chatting.
A deal centered around Mullins for Lopez is more realistic.
@Mjm117; logical indeed. I was kinda hoping that Elias saw Mullins as an untouchable. Along with Rutschman, he gets a long term extension this off season as well.
Bichette for Luzardo and Chiisholm jr. then sign Boggarts to pay short. Go Jays
He will be traded. Just about every player they lock up they trade. Yelich and Stanton come to mind. No matter their productivity present day at the time of the trades the Marlins were dumping payroll. When they don’t win next year he being the highest paid player on the team will be shopped. Honestly I was surprised they extended him even at the discount they got him to sign.
Poor Yankees and Mets fans. They thought their teams had a God-given right to poach players from also-fans
So the team finally has a solid foundation of pitching and the solution posited by the inept Kim Ng is to dismantle said pitching staff to paper over numerous holes in the lineup? Good thing Jeff Conine has been brought in as a voice of reason to this individual’s nonsensical transaction methodology.
Some Yankees fans will be like “Hicks, Donaldson and IKF for Sandy ok? Get it done Cashgod!”
The title of this article is the perfect example of Clickbait.
For the Marlins, I think there are two “untradeables” – Sandy Alcantara and Jazz Chisholm.
3rd would Eury Perez.
Anyone else is fair game.
Lol Marlins. What a hot mess of a organization.
In my fantasy The Marlins trade Pablo for a decent centre fielder, convert Sixto to closer, and sign Dansby Swanson.
Right now, I think Trevor Roger’s value is as low as it will ever be.
With de la Cruz learning a bunch of lessons the game had been throwing his way all year, that looks like one OF spot.
The Marlins have a bundle of young position players who might still figure it out, in fact I’d go so far as to say at least one of them will, but too early to say which one. Would be nice if it’s Encarnacion or J Sanchez: those two have very high ceilings