The Marlins and infielder Jean Segura reached an agreement yesterday on a two-year deal with a club option for 2025. Since Segura has primarily played second base over the past three seasons, it was speculated that the club might be planning to move Jazz Chisholm Jr. from second to short, thus moving shortstop Miguel Rojas to the bench or the trading block. However, Jim Bowden of The Athletic relays word from manager Skip Schumaker that the plan is to play Segura at third base, something that had also been suggested by Craig Mish of The Miami Herald earlier today.
Segura began his major league career as a shortstop, playing exclusively at that position in the 2012-2015 seasons. In 2016, the Diamondbacks acquired Segura from the Brewers and moved him over to regular second base duty, with Nick Ahmed the primary shortstop in Arizona. After one season with the Snakes, Segura was then traded to the Mariners, who moved him back to shortstop for 2017 and 2018, the only position he played for those two seasons. A trade to the Phillies led to one more season of exclusively playing shortstop in 2019.
The Phillies signed Didi Gregorius to be their primary shortstop going into 2020 and bumped Segura off regular duty there. He’s only logged 17 1/3 innings at short over the last three seasons. In 2020, he split his time almost evenly between second and third, with 239 1/3 innings at the keystone and 179 2/3 innings at the hot corner. That is the extent of his third base experience to date, as he spent almost all of 2021 and 2022 at second.
There’s certainly risk here for the Marlins in playing Segura at a position where he has so little experience. He’s generally been as an above-average defensive second baseman in his time there and moving him somewhere new raises the possibility that he’s not as valuable with the glove. In that brief spell at third in 2020, Segura got positive reviews from advanced defensive metrics, but in a small sample size that’s hard to draw meaningful conclusions from. In terms of arm strength, it would appear Segura won’t have a problem with the move. His throws averaged 86.5 mph in 2022, second among second baseman with only Romy González ahead of him. If he could make the throws from third with the same kind of velocity, he would have ranked 11th on the third base arm strength list.
While it’s a bit of a gamble moving Segura around, it’s understandable why they would want a stable veteran presence there. Brian Anderson had moved between third and the outfield for many years but seemed to lock down the hot corner in 2020, starting 55 of the club’s 60 games in the shortened season. However, injuries limited his workload and performance in the two seasons since, leading the club to use a hodgepodge of utility players at the position. In 2022, each of Anderson, Joey Wendle and Jon Berti made at least 34 starts at third, with youngsters Jordan Groshans and Charles Leblanc getting 17 and 13, respectively. Another handful of players got smaller tries at the position, with Luke Williams, Willians Astudillo, Erik González and Joe Dunand each getting at least one start.
As a season goes along, injuries will force any club to deviate from their plans, but it seems the club hopes to have Chisholm, Rojas and Segura lined up next to each other as much as possible. Segura’s ability to play second base also gives the club cover if Chisholm deals with injuries again in 2023, as a stress fracture in his back kept him from appearing after late June of 2022. He also underwent surgery on a torn right meniscus in September. Though he’s expected to be ready for Spring Training, Segura gives them a way to pivot in the event of some kind of setback or recurrence.
Of course, it’s always possible that the Marlins are indeed shopping Rojas as some have speculated and this talk of Segura taking over third base is merely bluster those talks progress. But on the surface, it seems like utility players like Wendle and Berti, as well as the young Groshans, currently have a less clear path to playing time. It has recently been reported that the Red Sox have discussed both Wendle and Rojas in trade talks with the Marlins, and it’s possible those conversations are revisited now that Miami has added Segura into the mix, which could change Miami’s plans if a deal comes together.
CaptainJudge99
I’m telling you Gleyber Torres would look really good out there, playing 2nd base for the Marlins in 2023. Make it happen Fish!
Joe says...
The Yankees have moved on from needing a starter like Lopez. If Torres goes it will be for a LF or RP. I don’t think Miami has those.
CaptainJudge99
@Joe says… I hear you Joe, with Rodon signed López is no longer needed. I was thinking of 2 pitching prospects from the Marlins. Lefty Jake Edder and a mid level pitching prospect for Torres.
Joe says...
It would be nice if he could be moved in a deal for someone like McCarthy. I’m not sure of Arizona’s needs though. Doubtful he could move for Reynolds unless a third team was involved.
Not saying a one for one swap on any trade scenario.
Rsox
On one hand Torres probably does nothing for the Marlins and its just more overhyping by Yankees fans, on the other hand if a corner Outfielder is what you need the Marlins are definitely a good team to shop at.
Avisail Garcia
Jorge Soler
Jesus Sanchez
Bryan De La Cruz
J.J. Bleday
Peyton Burdick
Griffin Conine
Jerar Encarnacion
Miami Marlins, you’re one stop shop for all your corner Outfield needs
Javia135
Unfortunately for the Yankees the Marlins best player is a 2B who they don’t want to play at SS. They also have Segura for 3B. Unless Torres can play a quality SS(he can’t), the Marlins can’t use him. They also aren’t going all-in this year, so they won’t be trading prospects for guys with 1 year of control.
CaptainJudge99
@Joe says… I’m thinking of a 3 way trade between the Yankees, Marlins and the Pirates where NY gets Reynolds and Rojas, Pittsburgh gets Eder, Schmidt, Thorpe and IKF, and Miami ends up with Gleyber Torres, Luis Gil, Randy Vasquez/ Will Warren and Alexander Vargas.
CaptainJudge99
Yankees could keep IKF, and would trade Trey Sweeney/Austin Wells or Evan Pereira to the Pirates instead.
CaptainJudge99
Torres has 2 years of control, and the Marlins have interest in him. Torres can play shortstop even though he is better defensively at 2nd base.
avenger65
Another fantasy trade with the nyy getting the best player.
vaderzim
I honestly feel like the Marlins have been signing people & developing prospects, but similar to Colorado, it doesn’t feel like they have any plan. In the past, they looked prime to compete, only to trade away their best player(s) for pennies on the dollar.
At this point, after repeated mediocrity, it seems like they are trying to catch lightning in a bottle and hoping they can stick to any success they get from it.
Dogbone
Torres has shown time and again, he definitely is not a SS.
CaptainJudge99
@avenger65- How are the Pirates and the Marlins not benefiting from this trade with the Yankees? With Pereira, the Pirates get a centerfielder who helps replace Reynolds, and they acquire much needed pitching. The Marlins get a 2nd baseman, who is 2 years from free agency in Torres, and some pitching prospects also. Smh
alwaysgo4two
Seriously? That’s the blockbuster deal that the Pirates are going to jump on? I’ll say it for them…nope.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Remember when George Costanza told George Steinbrenner, “I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn’t have to give up that much.”?
Javia135
@ CaptainJudge99.
Try plugging your trade into BTV. I did. It has the Yankees getting 3 times the value that the Pirates are getting and 3 1/2 times the value that the Marlins are getting. It’s a nice dream trade but it is nowhere close to reality.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
This same BTV site tells me Texas can get Burnes, Williams, and Woodruff for a few prospects if Texas takes on all of Yelich’s contract. Let’s not overemphasize that site.
Rsox
So the Yankees somehow get Reynolds *and* Rojas yet somehow keep Dominguez, Volpe, Peraza, Cabrera, Wells, Sweeney, and Periera? The only top 10 prospects they give up is Warren and Gil (who is coming back from Tommy John surgery). Is this what happens when Frazier and Andujar are no longer around?
Javia135
Overemphasize no, reality check yes. Anytime 1 team is giving up tons of guys in a trade in return for 1 or 2 guys, they are trying to trade trash for treasure. The only quality player in this trade suggestion is Reynolds and, to a FAR lesser extent Torres. I believe that the Pirates have already told the Yankees that it will require Volpe, at the least, to acquire Reynolds. I don’t think they are going to come off of that price for 4 nobodies.
Joe says...
I haven’t heard they were asking for Volpe though I wouldn’t be surprised. I had heard they’re after pitching.
CaptainJudge99
Well obviously they can ask for Volpe all they want. He isn’t available, besides the Pirates want pitching, and the Yankees have plenty.
CaptainJudge99
@Rsox- I totally disagree. If the Marlins acquire Gleyber Torres, he definitely becomes their best position player. Let’s stop pretending that Miami doesn’t need to add offense to their line-up. The Fish have plenty of pitching.
CaptainJudge99
@alwaysgo4two- who says so, you? The Pirates will not be contending anytime soon. The Yankees have plenty to make a trade for Bryan Reynolds. If the Pirates don’t want to trade him, then he stays in Pittsburgh and rots. Poor guy.
Rsox
A Center Fielder and a First Baseman are more likely what the Marlins need over a 2B, especially since they just signed one and moved him off the position
harrycracks 77
All these players listed stink
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The best trade for Marlins and Yankees would be Avisail Garcia in return for a slice of peanut butter toast. Maybe Miami would throw in a couple million a year as well.
CaptainJudge99
@MannyBeingMVP- the Yankees are looking for a leadoff hitter, with great contact and speed. The Yankees wouldn’t have any interest in Avisail Garcia. If it’s not Reynolds I could see the MacCarthy kid or Alek Thomas from Arizona, but not for Gleyber though.
Hoosier Daddy
Joe not sure Pittsburgh is enamored with the NYY pitching prospects, which per rumors is what they’re looking for. Cashman apparently isn’t eager to flip Dominguez as a feature..Hal also might not want to jump into the Cohen tax, so unless they can peel off some payroll, Cabrera might get a shot.
Joe says...
Yeah most of the Yankees top prospects are position players. I personally would trade Dominguez (plus others not named Volpe and Peraza) for Reynolds.
Cabrera is most likely to be the super utility guy next year. I expect a trade but more likely someone like Kepler. Cashman tends to hug his top prospects.
fivepoundbass
@Joe Kepler is the guy I think would make sense for the Yankees. He was pretty bad last year, but I think the talent is still there
CaptainJudge99
*Max. It’s just he’s never played leftfield so the Yankees don’t really know how’d he be out there.
stymeedone
@captain judge
Saying the Marlins need a 2B is like saying the Yankees need a RF.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
The hot corner? He has played only 179 innings there in his career. This isn’t like the outfield, where you can just swap guys occasionally and be fine. Reaction, arm strength, and other stuff matter. This GM is unqualified to know anything.
gbs42
I can’t help but wonder if the criticism of this GM is at least partially gender-based.
allrise99
So she is immune to criticism because of her gender? get out of here. she deserves to be held to the same standard as every other GM
gbs42
allrise99, I didn’t say that, did I? YES, she should be held to the same standard as every other GM. Saying Kim Ng “is unqualified to know anything” is a ridiculous statement and is evidence of evaluating her using something other than the same standard applied to all GMs.
allrise99
and what has she done to earn praise? the Marlins stink and haven’t gotten any better
gbs42
Earning praise is very different from being described as “unqualified to know anything.”
Jung Like My Daddy
In all fairness many fans have said their gms are unqualified to be gm. Work long enough or do some stupid decisions fans are quick to question your qualifications at some point.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Exactly. NG is dealing with a cheap owner. She has done nothing to distinguish herself as one of the best or one of the worst. I think Soler and Segura signings were ok. I thought Garcia was too many years to begin with and he has failed to meet my low expectations for him. Maybe he will bounce back and hit 0.240 with 19 homers. He is worth more like what Myers just signed for, but they obviously thought his last season with the Brewers was his new norm rather than an outlier. That one mistake is not enough for me to judge her poorly. Using Tanner Scott as the closer was on the manager not the GM, there are other internal options that are better. I would roll with Floro unless Chapman wants a one year one million deal and the goal would be to flip him if he recovers. Really like Chafin but he is going to get two to three years at eight million a year.
Chemo850
You’re way out of touch with the realities around you if you think that comment is out of the norm on this site. I’ve seen at least nine people call Brian Cashman an idiot on here today and it’s not even dinner time yet. And I agree – She’s freaking lost.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Chemo
But nobody said Cashman was only hired because he was a man.
Chemo850
Manny – Plenty of people on here have made crude comments about some of the ways he has managed to maintain his position. Believe me, the comments here about her are nothing compared to what some of the dudes have gotten. If anything I think the criticism of her has been incredibly modest for someone who continues to make the obvious wrong moves.
Signed Garcia
Signed Soler
Didnt trade Cooper at peak value
Didnt trade Lopez at Peak value
Didnt trade Aguilar at all
Didnt address the bullpen
Released Lewin after jerking him all over the place and still giving Aguilar at bats over him
Completely botched the Marte situation
Like come on. Some of this stuff was obvious stupidity. Everyone here was crapping on the Garcia and Soler deals the days they were made. She’s been objectively terrible. And all the data points back it up, woman or not.
fivepoundbass
@Manny Nobody (at least that I have seen in this thread) said anything about Ng being hired for a particular reason either. Someone tried to stir the pot by implying that someone else thinks that. It worked
This one belongs to the Reds
Ng doesn’t have the resources they had in LA so reality is smacking her in the face and limiting options.
The curse of a small market GM.
BStrowman
It’s more about the players that the position players that she’s brought over have simply declined.
The Marlins aren’t developing or improving those players they bring in.
Mike Elias has the orioles in the playoff hunt with an even smaller payroll. He’s got discarded players like Ramon Urias and Jorge Mateo playing like big league regulars. He got Jorge Lopez pitching like an all star. Cionel Perez, Austin Voth etc.
We’ve seen none of that in Miami. It has nothing to do with her gender or race. She hasn’t been in a MLB FO since 2011. She was known for being an arbitration whiz. She’s left the Marlins analytic staff in place from Michael Hill’s regime. These are the problems.
I don’t know what the Marlins are planning to do but Pablo Lopez should be dealt for guys with 5+ years of control. That team is a complete non factor for ‘23 and I don’t see things getting substantially better for ‘24. She needs to acquire more future assets so she can build up a team like the Braves. This is a 4th place team for now but even the Nats have guys in the pipeline now. They may be a factor before the Marlins if she keeps all these short term assets.
BStrowman
Before you become the Colorado Rockies. You’re not competitive with them and let your guys walk out the door for nothing.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Diversity hire
gbs42
Moronic comment
Poster formerly known as . . .
Thirteen years as an assistant GM in the two richest franchises in baseball and she’s “a diversity hire.”
SMH
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Never played baseball… maybe a good consultant, but not a good GM
swinging wood
She played as much baseball as Theo Epstein.
VegasSDfan
A GM doesn’t need to have played baseball
Poster formerly known as . . .
Yeah, that’s why Alex Anthopoulos is a bad GM — because he never played baseball.
swinging wood
I agree.
fivepoundbass
@gbs I can assure you that there are a large number of industries and organizations that are actively pushing equitable hiring. I am in one. Don’t mistake equity for equality…they are hiring with an intent to be more inclusive for certain groups.
Is that why Ng was hired? I have no idea. But MLB absolutely celebrated the hire.
Yanks4life22
Zaidi never had any interaction with the game of baseball until he read Moneyball in college. Makes sense why he is sinking the Giants like a torpedo I suppose.
swinging wood
Degrom Texas Ranger said his second favorite player is Trevor Bauer, so you’re probably not far off.
drasco036
I would say the comment on the gm took away a little from his valid points.
Earlier today, I thought Segura was a good pick up by Miami, I guess I assumed Jazz could play shortstop knowing little to nothing about Miami. Segura playing third base though? There are serious questions there… does he have the arm strength for one?
The other bigger issue for me is that his offensive profile does not project well for a third baseman so he’s going to have to flash some serious leather at third to make this a worth while signing.
Poster formerly known as . . .
The article above addresses the arm strength question.
His arm strength is a tick above Machado’s and well above Austin Riley’s. Can they play third base?
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/arm-strength
LonnieB
Those 2 boss the corner too.
fivepoundbass
@Fink That is an interesting link. I like the way they rank by the top percentage of throws. Machado is one that looks like he always has just enough, but probably has more in the tank when he needs it.
Javia135
If you ever watched the Padres you would know that Machado has a cannon.
Jung Like My Daddy
Most gms would be criticized for signing a 33 year old with the intent on asking them to switch positions where they theyve got less than 200 innings in a 11 year career.
Most gms would also be critized for not doing much while watching 3 rivals Mets Braves Phillies enter an arms race.
I’m sure there’s frustration growing with Ng as GM from Marlin fans and nothing to do with her being female.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@DTR It’s comments like yours and making sweeping generalizations that open the floodgates for the trolls which lead to thread comments being closed. If we all stuck to baseball, then none of that would happen. Something to ponder…
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Not all topics are 100% about baseball on this site, but I see your point. I officially made no mention of gender at all. I just said she is a diversity hire given her diverse career path not including experience. I think people just assume too many things.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
DTR. If you really believe she is a diversity hire then you should be open the idea that some of the big decisions were not even made by her
My take
Trevor Bauer is bad for the business of baseball, let him earn a living in a different field.
Kim NG was hired to take the magic of the Yankees and Dodgers to the marlins but the owners cheapness have not given her a chance to succeed or fail.
Professional sports should have owners, front offices and managers representing the diversity of the players and more women and non-binary persons should be welcome.
Poll: who has done worse in the pat year, Cashman,Preller, Hahn, Beane or Ng.
Answer. It is like comparing pineapples and radishes.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Most GMs have more money to spend, too.
Poster formerly known as . . .
How long ago was it that you were complaining (erroneously) that nobody mentioned that Kim Ng was Asian? About four hours ago?
Jung Like My Daddy
Hiring Ng was a double edge sword
It looks great that she was the first female hired gm but now if she’s fired it’ll be bad PR cause sexism or something. Maybe a lawsuit too.
She just hasn’t shown the ability to be an effective gm up until this point. Granted it’s only what 3 years but Marlins seem to be regressing not progressing. I cannot think of a single thing she did last year that went right in hopes of improving the team
. Seemed to have the opposite effect.
Signed Soler
Signed Garcia
Traded for Wendle
Traded for Stallings
Missed out on selling high on a couple pieces
Personally, I’d let her finish out the contract and if theyre not showing signs of being competitive then replace her.
Poster formerly known as . . .
No, it’s not three years. She was hired in November of 2020. So the fish have fielded only two teams so far on her watch.
In less than half a season in 2020, Miami got into the playoffs with a Wild Card berth. In 2018 and 2019 — two complete seasons — they landed in last place.
This is what bugs me about calls for her to be fired already. She took over a team that was 27th in payroll in 2021 and 26th in 2022. The only players signed to the 2021 team after she was hired were Adam Duvall, Anthony Bass and Ross Detwiler for a total of $10.85 million. What do you get for that kind of money in today’s MLB market?
Duvall hit 22 HR and was fourth in fWAR on the team, and his WAR dollar value was $11.6 million, over twice what they paid for him. They paid $5M for two years of Bass and got $8.1 million in WAR value. Detwiler sucked, but even expensive relievers are volatile commodities, and they paid only $850,000 for him, so did that signing wreck the team?
Her big signings were her only two for the 2022 season, Soler and Garcia, and both of them had multiple teams interested in them and both were ranked in the Top 25 free agents. They didn’t produce. It happens. But they should fire her after the first season of two multiyear contracts? How about we wait and see if those two rebound in 2023 first?
Yanks4life22
Makes sense bc Kim Ng produces as much as Cashman would without the Yankees checkbook. Now we know what Cashmans teams would look like without a top payroll.
holycowdude
The article very clearly quotes Skip Shumaker, the manager, as saying Segura will play 3B. Not the GM. Ng is doing a more than admirable job, considering the hand (or lack thereof) she’s been dealt. Brush up on her ‘qualifications’ before you start trash talking this woman who knows FAR MORE than you (or any of us) about MLB.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
She doesn’t though.
gbs42
DTR, are you seriously claiming you know more about running a baseball team than Kim NG does? She has decades of experience within the game.
nottinghamforest13
Signs one player all off-season and moves him to an unfamiliar position.
Is doing an admirable job.
utah cornelius
Funny how Nottingham almost only shows up in Marlins articles…to slam Ng. Nothing suspicious about that at all.
CarverAndrews
My two cents on this…in brief. No – we shouldn’t care about gender or race or creed or whatever when it comes to someone being qualified for the position. OK – we should care in one way, and that is that we SHOULD be celebrating the wins, such as Kim Ng being the first female GM in MLB. I was thrilled to see her get a shot, even though the market and the ownership group are a real battle for someone in her position.
In a better world, we wouldn’t have to note anything like that at all, But given human history, we need to both note and use these wins to take the next step in the evolution.
Now, when it comes to baseball background and the head of baseball operations position, as a general rule (and there are always exceptions) I would, as an owner, insist upon a varied baseball background and strongly prefer time on the field of play and on competitive teams at a high level. There are too many things that I learned over many years on the field that altered my perspective on things…from being a part of that action.
That hardly means that it is the only way at all, as a sound GM / POBO has plenty of baseball folks to call upon. But for me, I would love to see someone such as Pedro Martinez in the GM chair down the road if he wants it.
What I do NOT want in the POBO seat? A CFO type, or a saberdude.
BStrowman
We already had a Pedro Martinez. His name was Dave Stewart and that was a train wreck
nottinghamforest13
The Kim Ng fan base is more ravenous and passionate than the Marlins fan base which is an odd dichotomy.
CarverAndrews
With all due respect…so?
Poster formerly known as . . .
“Signs one player all off-season and moves him to an unfamiliar position.
“Is doing an admirable job.”
The Marlins have signed 5 players to minor league contracts, traded for four other players, and added three more in the Rule 5 draft this offseason and there are three months to go before Opening Day.
Trevor Story had played a total of 33 games at second base in the minors back in 2014-2015 when the Red Sox moved him to second, where he’d never played in his six years in the majors.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Extended their Cy Young pitcher despite having a tiny budget
BringBackDunkeroos
Obviously she’s qualified to have a burner account on MLBTR because no one, other than herself can possibly believe this statement.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Let me say this: I am an Asian, and I understand the discrimination Asians face. However, do people notice how they say she is the first female GM and make no mention at all anywhere except Wikipedia about her being the first East Asian GM? She never played baseball in her life and thus can’t know a thing by playing softball. Being Asian shouldn’t disqualify someone, but it does. Literally no mention of that in 99% of sources
swinging wood
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
utah cornelius
Did Brian Cashman play baseball? You complain about that? Hmmm?
Poster formerly known as . . .
“However, do people notice how they say she is the first female GM and make no mention at all anywhere except Wikipedia about her being the first East Asian GM?”
I haven’t noticed it because it’s not true:
seattlespectator.com/2020/11/30/kim-ng-makes-histo…
cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-hire-kim-ng-as-firs…
bbc.com/sport/baseball/54935737
abc7chicago.com/mlb-team-names-1st-female-asian-am…
cnn.com/2020/11/13/us/kim-ng-miami-marlins-gm-mlb-…
today.com/news/miami-marlins-kim-ng-becomes-1st-fe…
BTW, Farhan Zaidi is Pakistani. Pakistan is in South Asia.
gbs42
BBD, which statement are you referring to? That she has decades of experience within the game? She has worked in the majors since 1990:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Ng
DTR, that link also mentions that she is the first East Asian general manager in major league history.
gbs42
“can’t know a thing by playing softball?”
You think she has done nothing to gain knowledge of the sport other than playing softball? Your ignorance is on full display.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Actually, Cashman did play baseball in college.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Just adding…
https://living.alot.com/entertainment/30-top-coaches-who-never-played-professionally–19531
swinging wood
It’s just a troll job. Mute/ignore candidate.
gbs42
swinging wood, you’re spot on.
fox471 Dave
Nonsense!
positively_broad_st
Yeah, it’s a real rarity for a former shortstop to switch to third base…
Segura moved off short because he lost his range, not his arm…
Tacoshells
What does that mean for joey ?
The Baseball Fan
Trade
egrossen
Super sub?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Trade
R.D.
Don’t wanna make Rojas mad, let him lose the position or bounce back.
bwmiller
Marlins have to get Berti and his plus speed in the lineup.
stretch123
They should use Berti and Wendle in a platoon at 3B.. Trade Miggy Ro. Move Chisholm to SS and play Segura at 2B. Berti is also servicable in LF and I would think Wendle can handle 1B if given the chance to backup Cooper. Gotta love the positional flexibility of this team. Still badly need at least 1 power bat though.
Pads Fans
I agree about playing Segura at 2B. Even though he didn’t hit last season, Rojas is by far the best defensive SS on the squad. Berti is useless at any position.
Pads Fans
Speed is only valuable if you have a high OBP.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I like it.
As a likely fourth place team, Jean should be flipped for a quality position player prospect by mid-season. Until them, it is a nice acquisition at a sensible price. Not like paying Correa to play 3B, which could be a difference-maker in the 2023 division race but is getting 60 cents on the dollar if he’s out of position.
SODOMOJO
Oooooookeeeeeeyyyyy
whyhayzee
I don’t know.
The Natural
Seems like Jeter was wise to extricate himself from the Marlin’s dumpster fire.
Pads Fans
He didn’t extricate himself, he was forceably removed. Booted to the curb. Along with Denbo and Mattingly.
He and his Yankees buddies created the mess the Marlins are in today.
Yanks4life22
Lol what mess did he create? Seems like the Marlins are staying the course they have always been on. Jeter came in with the intention to win and that was a serious problem for the Marlins ownerships group bc they aren’t here to win they are here to collect their share of revenue from the large market teams.
The Natural
Not so sure that’s accurate
nottinghamforest13
Kim Ng to the rescue. Now this team is ready to rock.
utah cornelius
Nottingham’s got one note and this is it.
Saint Nick
They’ll prolly flip him at the “allstate break”.
sliderwithcheeze
The intern responsible for dictating my free agent postings has already been dismissed. The rest of my team has been put on notice. My brand can survive a few public relation hits but I didn’t build my empire to watch it crumble because I hired someone who slipped through the vetting process.
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t think his arm strength is suited for 3B, but he’s a solid fielder.
Samuel
Von;
I ‘ve always thought he was a better 3B than 2B…especially after he was moved from SS.
Arm strength at 3B is overrated. The only time it comes into play is when the 3B goes over the bag into foul territory after catching a fair ball, and has to make a throw from there. But an average runner will beat the throw anyway. If the ball comes at the 3B too fast and it hits off him, a strong arm helps, but where he deflected the ball to is more important – if he keeps it around his body he should be able to get an average runner at 1B. And the play where he cuts in front of the SS and throws to 1B or 2B is going to be easier as his momentum is to the base and the throw is shorter than from 3B. A strong arm helps in bunts, but the 3B’s quickness to the ball, scooping it up in one motion and throwing is what’s most important.
Compare that to the territory a 2B will now have to cover with the shift pretty much mothballed, and Segura will find 3B easier to play than 2B. Can also add in that he’s not making double play throws, or acting as a cutoff man from the RF where he may have to make a throw.
Many baseball people feel that 3B and LF are the easiest positions to play. Before the DH teams used to hide their quality catchers there for a game or two to give them a rest.
BStrowman
Segura’s arm is perfectly good though. Certainly strong enough for 2B. He should be
fine at 3B once he gets used to the angles. Has only played there for 20 games back in 2020 in his entire professional career.
stymeedone
20 more games than Correa, who’s getting much more to make the switch under a much brighter microscope. Its a good move for the Mets, but a bad move for Ng. Go figure.
fivepoundbass
@ Styme Comparing a guy who hasn’t played SS regularly in years to one of the defensive best SS in the league, with possibly the best SS arm. I seriously hope you’re joking or trolling.
abc123baseball
This versatility will help the Fish find a solid trading partner this summer.
VegasSDfan
That’s a tough switch to go from 2nd, short, over to 3rd. The angle and throw is entirely different.
He should top 20 errors very easily.
sascoach2003
I’m far from an expert, but I’m not so worried about Segura’s glove at 3B as his bat. I wonder if his bat really plays at 3B, long considered a “power-hitting” position? I’m not saying he’s a bad hitter, just when stacked up against other 3B, and half his games in that park, nothing pops out at me
sascoach2003
After going “under the hood”, I will correct myself and say I can see him bringing some speed-I have to assume Schumacher is going to run more than Mattingly-and doubles gap power and above league average batting average.
CarverAndrews
I thought that he looked really solid at third in 2020…much better than I expected at the time that they had to make that switch. Yeah, the arm strength is hardly ideal for over there and will keep him from making a few plays at times, but he had a really quick release and that can make up for a lot.
It isn’t as if the Marlins are shopping in the Bugattie aisle right now…he should give them a middle of the pack 3B with some flexibility, and given their offense he should be a real sparkplug. I am going to hate it when he comes up with one of his patented slap line drives to right center to drive in the winning run against us at some point next season.
Rishi
U r gonna be traded Jean. I’m sure he knows. Guaranteed contention if you perform
Get Off My Mound
Such hostility in the comments over this move. This isn’t the Reds moving Moustakes to 2B, it’s not the worst move they could’ve made.
Moonlight Graham
It’s not horrible. It might not be the best approach, but it’s not horrible.
Also, it’s not necessarily set in stone. Either Wendle or Rojas could be traded to Boston any minute. And neither Wendle nor Rojas would prevent a shakeup if, say, Groshans proves MLB-ready sometime soon, or if Pablo Lopez were to net a slugging third baseman (Nolan Gorman).
And then maybe Segura slides over to short. Or he goes to second and Chisholm slides to short.
stymeedone
Or maybe it allows them to trade Chisholm for a CF!
Chemo850
Omg these guys are idiots. Great signing followed by idiotic execution. The point of this move should have been to boost the offense. Rojas adds no value offensively. Just should plug this guy into second and Jazz at short since Jazz is suppose to be a plus defender there anyways. The Groshans kid and the other dude both looked pretty good at third last year considering it was their first taste. 17 million for nothing if you’re not actually boosting the offense by leaving the liability in place.
stymeedone
Chisholm was moved to 2B for a reason. Lets not make him the next Gleyber.
Chemo850
Jazz being moved had nothing to do with him. They wanted Rojas glove in the field and they thought Jazz would acclimate better at second. Jazz glove at SS and his athleticism was his calling card when they acquired him. I’m not aware of anyone ever calling Torres a good defender..at short or second honestly
Pads Fans
That is interesting. I thought the knock on Segura as a SS was his arm. That issue would be exacerbated moving to 3B.
baseballteam
Marlins 20 GB and it’s 29 December….
leftykoufax
Segura has a good bat, nice pickup.
Habeto
I truly believe they said Segura will play 3B just to say whatever right now. The FO must have a trade close to executing where either Rojas, Wendle, Leblanc or Berti are involved. The puzzle will be solved in coming days.
But even if no trade happens, I personally feel like Jean should play 2B, Jazz SS and a platoon 3B between Wendle, Berti and Leblanc. It just feels more natural.
Groshans will start the season at AAA, barring injuries.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I believe that Wendle will be traded within a month.
Chisholm at 2B, Rojas at SS, and Segura at 3B.
NL East is too stacked right now with Mets, Phillies and Atlanta. Miami needs to build their team to be a wild card contender in a couple years. I think they keep their pitching unless they can get a MLB overall top 50 prospect for their future. Segura gets flipped for a prospect mid-season hopefully Soler does well enough to get flipped or opt out. Health of Meyers and Sanchez could help.
Habeto
With the right moves this offseason, I think the Marlins stand a chance to compete in 2024. This year is is more about getting closer to .500.
Trading for a CF, signing two bullpen pieces and hoping rebound seasons from Soler and García will make the team decent. Next year Eury Pérez, Max Meyer and probably an impactful FA can make the team push for a Wild Card spot. Good thing there are 3 spots now.
StudWinfield
The problem with MIA is that Segura’s now the 2nd best hitter on the team regardless of where he plays. Not for nothing but DJL and IKF play a fine 3b and both have limited experience there. Not GG’s but they don’t hurt you.
Hoosier Daddy
I thought Boston would have signed Segura
bobsugar84
Rojas can’t hit and won’t be an everyday player. If Wendle is a Marlin come opening day, he’ll be the starting shortstop vs. RHP. Rojas will platoon vs. lefties. It’s amazing how often these writers get this stuff wrong. Same thing was written about Fletcher on the Angels. He’s not gonna start either anymore with all the new pieces they got.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If the starting shortstop comes down to Rojas and Wendell Miggy gets it over Joey I am confident
MarlinsFanBase
Dear goodness. The stupidity with the Marlins continues.
We’ll have a 3B with a weaker arm than our 2B and SS, and perhaps our 1B as well.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
It is still December, a lot can change in three months
MarlinsFanBase
I hope so. It took us nearly two months for us to make a significant addition.
JoeBrady
I assume that this is a ham-fisted to drum up non-existent interest in Rojas, but otherwise makes absolutely -0- sense.