December 28: The Giants have officially announced the signing of Rogers. He’ll make $9MM in 2023 followed by $12MM salaries in the next two seasons, reports Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area.
December 23: The Giants and reliever Taylor Rogers are in agreement on a three-year, $33MM contract, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. The deal for the Frontline client is pending a physical.
Rogers, 32, will now join his twin brother in the San Francisco bullpen, as right-hander Tyler Rogers is already on the club. The left-handed Taylor was one of the top relievers available in free agency this offseason and certainly one of the best southpaws. He came into the open market on a bit of a down note, as he posted a combined 4.76 ERA between the Padres and Brewers, having switched jerseys as part of the much-maligned Josh Hader trade.
However, it wasn’t quite as bad as that ERA might seem. His 30.7% strikeout rate and 6.9% walk rate were both much better than average and roughly in line with his career marks. His 42.4% ground ball rate was below league average but only by half a percentage point. A 63.5% strand rate may have been a culprit, as that’s roughly 10% below his 74.1% career norm and the 72.6% league average in 2022.
Advanced metrics were much more fond of Rogers in 2022, as he posted a 3.31 FIP, 3.26 xFIP and 2.64 SIERA. Those numbers are also more in line with his pre-2022 form. With the Twins from 2016 to 2021, he made 319 appearances with a 3.15 ERA, 27.9% strikeout rate, 5.9% walk rate and 47.8% ground ball rate, with all of those numbers being a few ticks better than the league average hurler. Though the 4.76 ERA in 2022 didn’t look great, he has a lengthy track record as being a very effective big league reliever and that figure likely wasn’t deserved. MLBTR predicted he could secure a three-year, $30MM deal and he has come out ahead of that.
For the Giants, the signing of Rogers makes plenty of sense given their dearth of reliable southpaw relievers. Prior to this agreement, Scott Alexander and Sam Long were the only lefties projected to be in the bullpen. Alexander has had great results but is frequently injured, not reaching 20 MLB innings since 2018, and will be turning 34 next season. Long has just 40 games in the majors with a 4.55 ERA to show for it. Given those options, it makes plenty of sense that the club has targeted improvements in this area. Rogers should slot in behind closer Camilo Doval for some high-leverage work. For teams still looking for left-handed additions to their bullpen, the top options with Rogers off the board include Andrew Chafin, Matt Moore and Brad Hand.
Assuming an even distribution of the money in $11MM increments, Roster Resource now calculates the club’s payroll to just above $191MM and their competitive balance tax figure to be $208MM. That payroll is well beyond last year’s $155MM Opening Day number, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, but they have gone above $200MM in the past. It’s unknown how much they plan on spending this winter, but they still have lots of room before reaching the $233MM base threshold of the luxury tax.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
He sucks.
Signed: all Milwaukee fans
You had Josh hader right?
Yeah? We did…
Now he plays for the padres and Rogers still sucks. Idk what Hader has to do with Rogers.
We he does have a little to do with him since he was a part of the trade return for Hader. Which as of now is nothing more than Robert Gasser for the Brewers. Although I will give credit for flipping Ruiz into a seemingly nice return, that is a separate transaction.
@ hiflew If you win $50k on a scratch off lottery ticket, and buy a car with that money, does that mean you have nothing to show for the winnings?
Depends. Is it a new or used car?
@hiflew is Milwaukee landing William Contreras not a direct result of dealing Hader, or am I being obtuse?
Except that wasn’t the case. They traded Josh Hader, one of the elite closers in the game for year, for that $50k. It wasn’t a simple scratch off lottery ticket.
So what they did was trade $100k for that 50k, then throw $25k (Rogers. Lamet) of it in the trash. THEN they got lucky and was able to find someone dumb enough to give them a nice car for the remaining chunk.
Just because the Braves and A;s made a bad deal which enriched the Brewers does not mean the Brewers did any better in the original deal.
Apparently you are. Because it is not a direct result, it is an indirect result.
It’s a bon jovi song, trash a car new or used
High leverage lefty. Good signing.
I was hoping they would get him a couple of years ago.
Is this another pretend signing, that Jon Heyman is reporting?
Almost a 5.00 ERA and gets 33 mil , lmao baseball money is crazy good
Nobody cares about ERA bro. His xFIP was still quite good
Yes, no one cares about what *actually* happened, only what could have happened.
This is what is wrong w so many baseball people: rather than live in reality, they look for “stats” that make them feel better about their opinions…and they aren’t even real statistics (which are based on empirical evidence instead of what could have been).
Everyone cares what should have happened because it’s the predictor of what will happen in the future.
Casuallllll
Lol guess Gmoney is a new age fan that looks up one stat and doesn’t actually watch games. Since
You want to go off one stat what about his over 5 FIP? Or terrible whip the second half of the season? Or his horrible home run rate the second half ?
Don’t call people casuals bro. Just because you saw it on TikTok and think it makes you sound cool, it doesn’t . I promise
You smell like poo
And GMs generally look past simply the last year. He was a very good, very consistent RP before last year.
Half a season for a reliever means virtually nothing anyway. He’s been elite for years now
Oh so now you’re changing the argument ? That’s typical . He hasn’t been elite since 2019 by the way
Giants’ defense was really bad in 2022 and will be worse in 2033. The giants get older every year and pitching gets worse.
I’m not, but you cite whip and other irrelevant stats so it’s a waste of time anyway.
He was elite last year btw
WHIP is an elite stat.
strange statement… of course whip is relevant – pitching is about limiting the amount of baserunners you allow. And who was elite last year? Not rogers or hader that’s for sure.
Whip is a junk stat. Doesn’t account for defense, treats all hits the same. Yawn
In no way, shape or form was he elite last year lmao .
Thank God for this mute button here. My 3 year nephew has more insight to the game than you do
Half a season means nothing if it is due to randomness. However, Rogers lost his ability to throw his slider for a strike, which is a disaster for a 2-pitch pitcher who sets up his sinker with his slider. The slider is a swing-and-miss pitch, the sinker is not as much. It’s still a plus pitch because it leads to soft contact, but when hitters started sitting on it, they crushed him.
I thought the Brewers were smart for getting him, figured they’d get his slider back on track, but boy was I wrong. So that’s two teams, two pitching coaches who couldn’t get him right.
And still I think the most likely outcome is that whatever was going on last year turns out to be an aberration. But it would be foolish to simply write off his second half last year as virtually nothing.
@larry Lomg term vision is good, but its a little early to worry about 2033.
When was the last time he was “elite” anyway? 2018 and 2019 he was probably elite. An he was better than average in 2021, but I wouldn’t say he was elite then.
No…pitching is about limiting the number of runners crossing the plate. You can have 27 base runners in a 9 inning game, but if none of them score you will still beat a team than only gives up a solo home run.
I love the “yawn,” like you’re so advanced and beyond us. Whip and ERA together tell you a lot. Both guys did this across two teams, so it’s clearly representative of a down year. Mil 7th in DRS and SD 19th, but they sucked on both teams. And the other poster nailed it, stats like xFIP are great to create a fuller picture, but the actual game stats matter most, and they were bad. You have to pitch w/ the defense you have, same way you can’t pitch in Coors and talk about how you would pitch in another stadium, because it’s irrelevant.
Era and whip aren’t junk stats. Stats like xfip can give an idea about what a player MIGHT do in a season. You say that half a season is irrelevant for a reliever and then go on to say that he was elite last year completely contradicting what you said before. It’s hilarious you think he is elite. I might give fip more of a benefit of the doubt for Rogers, but if you look back at his past 3seasons his fip has been a lot lower than his era. At what point are we supposed to think he is so awesome when his results never match his underlying metrics? Some players just out play their fip and Rogers is a fantastic example of it. How long are we supposed to look at what might happen when three years straight his results haven’t been there. You have no reason to be so smug I’m sure you’re at home smelling your farts as we speak!
Syndergaard is a good example of a guy whose FIP was consistently lower than his ERA
“Whip is a junk stat”
Here’s a list of the top 10 starters in WHIP in 2022:
Verlander
Gallen
McClanahan
McKenzie
Darvish
Urias
Nola
Burns
Alcantara
Manoah
Want to hear some nonsensical reasoning from a Fangraphs contributor?
“That’s right: ignore WHIP. Because if you draft good pitchers, they are almost certainly going to have good WHIPs. In fact, there are very few pitchers whose WHIPs differ dramatically from their ERA and strikeout ability. And often times, when there is a significant difference between WHIP and other statistics, it’s a fluke, and unlikely to be repeated the next season.”
This guy concedes that WHIP correlates significantly with other metrics . . . but it’s still a bad stat. He offered this opinion in 2009, so hopefully he’s figured it out by now.
Tl;dr. Summary: ERA and WHIP are junk stats. He’s been elite for years. All the elements still in place
Above average in 2021?
Dude put up 1.5 fWAR in 40 innings lmao. 2.11 xFIP. Was arguably the best reliever in the league
Gallen #2 in WHIP but not top 15 in anything else relevant. Yawn. Junk
You say xFIP is a predictor, eh?
In 2021, Gerrit Cole ranked 3rd in xFIP. In 2022, his actual FIP was 3.47, 21st rank out of 45 qualified starters.
In 2021, Robbie Ray ranked 8th in xFIP. In 2022, his actual FIP was 4.17, 35th rank.
In 2021, Charlie Morton ranked 7th in xFIP. In 2022, his actual FIP was 4.26, 38th rank
In 2021, Jose Berrios ranked 15th in xFIP. In 2022, his actual FIP was 4.55, 43rd rank.
@gmoney It’s a predictor of what could happen. Or might happen. Not what will happen.
@gmoney WHIP is basically the opposite of OBP. Is it a junk stat too?
Listen, I think Rogers is going to be fine pitching for the Giants in Oracle Park. But relying on xFIP as a predictor is pretty silly when he led all relievers with at least 40 innings with his 2.11 xFIP in 2021, but his actual FIP in 2022 was 3.31, the 72nd rank among qualified relievers.
Just because it didn’t forecast random one-off seasons well doesn’t mean it isn’t the best predictor of future success dude.
pitcherlist.com/the-relative-value-of-fip-xfip-sie…
Not particularly close to ERA or FIP either
Obp without context means nothing
Gallen was 9th in ERA, 12th in SIERA, 2nd in opponent batting average, 9th tier in HR/9 (tied with Manoah), 12th in K%, 12th in FIP . . .
Bro, you need to stop digging. That hole you’re in is deep enough.
Maybe all that yawning says you’re sleep-deprived. Maybe if you take a nap you’ll wake up refreshed and thinking more clearly
None of that matters. It’s like RBIs – sure, most good hitters have a lot of them, but it’s primarily out of their control and has no predictive value, so there’s no reason to care about it.
Gallen was a top 10-20 pitcher last year. We don’t need WHIP to tell us that.
Keep ridin w those 1995 metrics tho lol.
…..
…..
Yawn
Sure — SIERA doesn’t matter, K% doesn’t matter. Opponent BA doesn’t matter. HR/9 doesn’t matter. FIP doesn’t matter . . . and K%, HR/9 and FIP are out of a pitcher’s control.
Get some sleep.
What a sophomoric rant. If you are playing blackjack and make the smart move based on what’s in front of you but the dealer ends up with 21 a couple hands in a row do you change your strategy? No, because that is not a good predictor of what will happen in the future. Everything that happened last year indicate bad luck and a one year blip…plus if any franchise can get him back to his old self it’s the Giants. They may not be getting star free agents but if you’re a pitcher and want to restore past glory (or take your game to a new level) you should be blowing up the Giants’ phones
Please stop talking
I mean other than that’s how…. You win the game! You know, by driving in runs to score?? Lol
Giants have an excellent track record of getting the most out of pitchers who may have struggled recently.
Taylor will be used late in games.
Expensive but Giants can afford it after ghosting Correa.
ERA means nothing when you the reliever behind you lets your baserunners score at a ridiculous rate.
@Gmoney – here’s a predictor. Sean Manea will get lit by the Dodgers each and every time he pitches against them.
ERA matters. It tells the story of his book of work over X innings. While other insights and analytics are useful as well, saying a piece of data that isn’t cared for is ignorant.
In this particular case, I agree with previous comments regarding his ERA and more importantly, the overpay on the contract. He’s decent, but not $33M in the bank worth. Sadly, he doesn’t really have much of a ceiling and he’s in the wrong side of 30. Giants seem to be over compensating with this signing and the way overpaid Conforto contract after the offseason they’ve experienced so far.
So what’s the excuse for closers. No one pitches behind them (rarely).
Many, but many disagree with your statement. Don’t ever say “everybody” –
Maybe “a few”, “most writers who are making money based on supposedly advanced statistics”, most based on diluted average, then later don’t want to read about individual average, because they rather want to hide players bad statistics among league average, proprietary factor$, arrogance, huge egos and lack of recognition.
Not to be a pr*ck, but the whole damn problem with all of this is these analytics are correlational and not predictive at all. They might give a better sense of what’s coming, but they’re not causational, and too many who rely almost solely on “advanced analytics” start to treat them that way. Comes back to the fact what “should” have happened based on these indicators is irrelevant. Sure, xFIP overall might help to gauge how someone might do more so than ERA, but ERA still carries a lot of meaning. And what might happen is so far from a guarantee, so to talk with all this certainty is what’s wrong when some people get data and make sweeping statements.
At some point, you just have to give up and stop trying to teach someone something. Thank you for making my mute list a little larger for the Christmas season.
Na ah
You got served
If any franchise can get him back on track it’s the gaints???????…. The brewers are phenomenal at working with pitchers I would argue better then the giants.. the brewers developed (in a hitters park mind you) burnes, woodruff, Freddy, hader, Williams, laur, and countless relievers that where washed and some where brought via trade deadline brewers pitching lab is envied by other clubs… your statement is bold to say the least….. I would make the argument if the brewers couldn’t fix him nobody will… giants are in a pitchers park what the brewers develop is far more impressive in my opinion… if I was the giants I would be asking myself why didn’t the brewers want him back….. it’s a good park for him but he’s a two pitch pitcher that lost a pitch…. 1 year 10 with a team option at 12 with a 2 million buy out would have been the right contract…
Damn how do I get over that Fred durst looking a$$ I just showered this morning
Why are you talking baseball to a 3 yo? Adult friends?
But, but, my team won the xFIP championship, I have the t-shirt to prove it. That was some xFIP parade. Winded through the rec room, utility closet and rec room. My stuffed Teddy bears were stoked
GMoney- 1 thread. 12 posts. Triggered. Yawn.
33 MILLION for a reliever w/ an ERA close to 5.00 Zaidi is a fool
You can’t judge a player in half a season.
Signed: All Twins fans.
Pending a physical?
It literally says that in the article.
It’s sarcasm, geeez.
‘It’s sarcasm, Jeeves.’ would’ve been a snappier comeback, sorta insinuating that Highest_IQ was your butler.
There was this rich snobby kid at our school and he would ask who wanted to be his butler? Everybody would raise ther hands top, never could understand why anyone would sign up for being treated like trash?
No contract is signed until a physical is completed and the player passes
This is with every major league franchise and every player they’re interested in signing
You are required to change your handle immediately.
Zaidi making moves. Giant fans still gonna be big mad though.
Zaidi now needs to get Liam Hendricks for bullpen
He’s going to Mets along with Hosmer
I might be the exception, but I’m still relishing in the fact that I’ve witnessed 3 Giants WS titles in my lifetime and my team isn’t overspending right now. I’m not impatient and I’m not disappointed until I see disappointing results.
They just overspent on both contracts today…. Correa would’ve made only $8 mil more than Conforto this year…. Why on earth would you want your team to not spend money?? Are you the owner’s son?
The issue with Correa wasn’t the pay for this season, it was the pay for the next 12.
“Correa would’ve made only $8 mil more than Conforto this year”
—-
Are you really comparing a 12 year $315 MM commitment to a 2 year $36 MM commitment as though they are similar?
I’m stating the money the next 2 years is essentially the same. And they lost a true star for an injury prone corner outfielder who hasn’t played in over a year. So yeah, it’s pretty easy to see why the Correa deal was the far superior option
Obviously. And he’s 2 years younger than Conforto and significantly better. $26 mil per year for a top player is nothing….
They are similar. You are operating under the mistaken impression that after the two year deal is over, the team will spend no more money for the remaining 10 years. In two years, there will be someone else to spend money on. When comparing deals, you just have to look at the equal number of years and not the total.
“Only” $8MM says the guy whose money it isn’t.
You’re NOT the exception. Most of the people saying Giants fans are upset are not Giants fans. I’m totally happy with ALL the moves being made, including not signing a guy who has physical (and more than likely attitude) issues. We are a stronger team than last season, with the #1 minor league lefty coming up soon. We’ll be a fun team to watch.
SF was bad last year and are slightly better now. Why does CC likely have “attitude” problems?
81-81 is bad? Slightly better gets us into the post season.
Bad or avg, whatever you want to call it. They weren’t good!
Zonedeads5 mins ago
SF was bad last year
====================
Stupid comment. The fact that you didn’t know they were .500 makes me suspect you aren’t much of a Giants’ fan.
They had the 6th best starting pitching, gave up the least homeruns and had the 11th best offense last year!! Our bullpen was the weakest link last year. We got 6 players of need if you count Pederson for what it would’ve cost for them to sign Judge or Correa and Rodon.
TellItGoodbye;
Not trying to nitpick, but how can you say the Giants will be a better team in 2023?
They lost Carlos Rodón. He made 31 starts, went 14-8 over 178 innings with a 2.88 ERA and 5.4 bWAR.
Not saying he will do that again in 2023, but who replaces those 31 starts and pitching at that sort of level? In a big home park the Giants defense remains poor – something the pitching staff depends on.
Their recent signings don’t address major issues.
The Giants are much closer to 4th than 2nd in their own division.
It’s boring though. That’s the problem.
Yah, I’m with you. I’m a huge Farhan fan! Plus, he is a good dude. I went to an A’s game in 2014 with a group of Baseball Prospectus subscribers. We were supposed to have a chat with one of the player personnel guys, but , he wasn’t available, Instead, Farhan (Asst. GM) stepped in and talked to us for about 45 minutes. Extremely gracious. I was glad when the Giants hired him & think we are lucky to have him.
Didn’t a year ago the Giants won over 100games? So they fell short this year. Well not having they best player on the team (the captain) along with injury after injury yea that’ll do it.
I think they may win a few more games next yr but they have a lot to work on. 2-3 more years before we see them in posteason again I’m thinking.
Why would you assume I’m a giants fan?
Broooo… you did see him telling Judge to STFU after altuve MVP sign stealing fall out? Correa screams of frat boy attitude problems ALLLLLLL day… he should be in the WWE then at least Wed all get to see him get his a$$ kicked in every now and then
Giants fans are spoiled .
If Phils had that run you’d never hear me complain. Actually, that’s a lie. If be spoiled too.
Josh Ua.21 mins ago
I might be the exception, but I’m still relishing in the fact that I’ve witnessed 3 Giants WS titles in my lifetime and my team isn’t overspending right now. I’m not impatient and I’m not disappointed until I see disappointing results.
===============================
The RS have 4 WSC this century, the latest being 2018, and some of our fans are professional whiners. I like your attitude.
F that. Yankees have 27 titles. Give me ten more. None of the settling cause we have one bs.
@antibelt
They were talking “this century” and “in my lifetime”, so as a Yankee fan, you’re not even in the conversation.
@stymeedone
I know a Yankee fan who’s had 7-8 WS in his lifetime. His childhood RS fan friends waited 45 years just get one. Sure they’ve had three more since then but I would much rather have had them sprinkled across my life than between 45-63. Especially since there’s twice as many (8 vs. 4 in a lifetime). Heck, the Yanks have 5 just going back to ’96. That tops Boston’s 4 in like a hundred years. People like to downplay the accomplishments of the Yankees and the impact they’ve had on their fans’ lives, but nothing beats that except earlier times…in Yankee history.
@Josh I wish the RANGERS had even 1 damn WS ring.
Same with me, only for the Brewers. Pretty sad when a franchise’s biggest accomplishment was losing a WS 40 years ago.
Detroit, 1984. Not far behind you.
I have to say, I’m disappointed, but almost a sigh of relief with the way things turned out with Correa. That’s was a terrible contract but bad optics from front office. We need to continue to build the farm and try to stay competitive
Manaea and Rodgers were terrible last season. And Farhan decides the give them the bag
Small bag.
He hardly gave either “the bag.” If you think these are crazy contracts, you haven’t been paying attention to free agency.
I’m no expert, but 23 million combined to pitcher who had a negative WAR last season is bad.
He’s not paying for last year.
And Conforto hasn’t been above average since 2019.
Had 2 fWAR in 54 games in 2020 lol
Dude hit .322/.412/.515 in 2020. How was he not above average that season?
The Marlins made the playoffs and the Dodgers won it all in 2020, that year was an outlier. I take all 2020 stats with a grain of salt
They still count, can’t ignore them completely
Nope. Not mad.
Does Zaidi have guts enough to sign Trevor Bauer?
@Giants78–Zaidi has a no dicks policy and Bauer is the biggest of all the dicks. So Bauer is a fat no.
He’s not man enough to do it.
Big deal, but better than Conforto’s deal
Conforto’s career wRC+ is the same as Manny Machado’s. Dude can hit
Consistency though and injury risk
Which is why he got 2 years/36 M. Not some big commitment or anything
Possibly the only move they could make that would generate a notable amount of positive PR
Positive PR? This is a terrible move and massive overpay. The only good PR is that he’s on the same team as his brother lol
Terrible move? Nah. Oracle is good for pitchers. He just needs his confidence back.
So if oracle is good for pitchers then you have even LESS reason to spend money on 32 year old relievers cause you can make nearly anyone good in that park…. You’re literally making the OPPOSITE point you were trying to make…. Lol yikes
Rols, why are you getting so worked up? Lol. Seems like you have some personal stakes in this. The only thing “yikes” about this exchange is that you can’t seem to understand the going rate for a pitcher with a good track record coming off a singular below average season.
Huh? I’m not following. Less reason to sign a good pitcher because of the park? Yikes
Is that what happened to his slider? He lost his confidence?
Petco is good for pitchers, too.
Nah, he just didn’t like Diego…haha
Giants spending just to spend
Literally
Could see pretty much all the remaining names sign before Santa arrives
Giants are signing all the remaining free agents now trying to save face.
Zaidi needs to have a “Town Hall” meeting with media and fans; no time limit and no restrictions.
Zaidi needs to face the music and answer real questions, not softball questions. And no more dumpster diving or platoon players.
lol. No he doesn’t. You just need to grow up.
Whoah, this could be a terrible contract unless he finds his pre 2022 self
2.64 SIERA and 23.7 K-BB%. I’d say the peripherals have a pretty rosy picture
Agreed, plus look what the Giants coaching staff has done with pitchers since Farhan and Kapler took over
Hey jawinks maybe check his statcast page and age??
Jawinks i wasn’t saying he’s terrible. His peripherals were good but his results definately weren’t. Because of that, 11 million a year seems like alot. What good are his peripherals if the actual results don’t match.
@big higgy
Or…it could be a meh contact…or a good contact. In any case – it’s only a couple of years, for goodness sake.
Giants are taking all that money and spending smartly. Look how many guys you can get instead of one good shortstop.
Yeah you can get a corner outfielder who hasn’t played in 2 years and wasn’t good when he did play last and a 32 year old reliever coming off a bad season for $33 mil. Who needs Correa and Judge?? Lol get a clue man
Na man you get a clue. Judge will broken down soon. Correa is a good ball player but that was to much. At least your not tied up in money. Hangier is solid! Conforto is solid. giants have won so many championships without buying players. Learn your sports
At least you’re not tied up in money? Yeah I’m sure the Phillies are so mad to be tied up to Harper’s money, or the padres to machado. Giants project to be nowhere near the top NL teams…. They are the definition of stuck in the middle. Haniger and Conforto have been just as injury prone as Judge, if not more. You are clueless.
Correa is Harper? Bro giants have won 3 chips in the last 12 years. They won 6 pennants They know more than you. Learn the game
Why are you talking about stuff that happened almost 10 years ago? The current front office wasn’t even there??? Geez some of you people just have no idea what you’re talking about… and yes people said all of this same stuff about Harper when he signed. Apparently you have been living under a rock
I don’t think the analytics model is meant to produce division champs, seems the goal is just enough wins to get into a diluted playoff pool every couple of years to keep fans on the hook so they keep buying overpriced seats and beer, maybe win a tournament every couple of decades
if I wanted to be an A’s fan and get A’s results I would be an A’s fan, as it is all I can say from my years of life experience: garbage in, garbage out
Tell you what. I’ll bet you 500 dollars right now giants make the playoffs and do great. If your a man send me your venmoe and I will pay you if I’m wrong.
So you think the giants will be better than at least 1 of the padres, dodgers, Braves, Mets and Phillies? Ummmm that’s about as illogical as it gets. You’re just ignoring basic data and logic lol
The analytics model is to find a better way to find who will succeed in your system and to find undervalued players. Every teams model ought to be to string together enough wins to make the playoffs for a few seasons, because there is too much variability in the playoffs to plan for anything beyond that goal…
So that should be an easy win for you. I believe the giants make the playoffs and get past the first round without having to break the bank like the Mets Phil’s and padres.
exactly. he thinks spending as much money as possible makes you a winner. Houston proves that’s not true.
I agree but unfortunately that one shortstop is known for getting that big hit that wins the game that the Giants were desperately missing all last season…
There’s nobody available that would move the needle? What else are they supposed to do? Sit there and do nothing?
Yeah, $11 Million sure don’t buy much nowadays.
Yeah…I don’t understand this one. Woof
Relievers are a mercurial bunch. Some games they just blow it. Most of the time a good reliever is solid. Other than his time in Milwaukee and some bad fortune in San Diego, his numbers are consistent and solid. I think this is going to be a good pickup for the Giants, assuming he passes his physical!
Why? $11m a year for a reliever coming off a bad year. 3 years seems unnecessary too.
Based on 60 innings pitched per year, that’s only like $180K per inning.
*face slap*
both Rogers twins in the same bullpen, that should be fun
Why be good when you can be gimmicky, right?
@mike, that was the first thing I thought. Surprised it took so long for someone to mention it….?
Pretty cool holiday story for a Hallmark movie…..hahahahahah
Back to my regularly scheduled morning egg nog, with mom’s special recipe….
Is that nutmeg? I taste a little nutmeg!
Looks like the Giants are trying to clean up all the scraps from the FA market before Christmas.
Nothing but socks and Chia Pets left.
Giants buying like a guy on Christmas Eve…
Giants are simply spending just to spend. None of these signings move the needle even slightly in the West
Well there’s nobody left that would move the needle… what else are they supposed to do? Just give up and not make moves?
They should not be giving 32 year old relievers 3 year deals for a start…
how about paying a guy $18 million who hasn’t played ball in two years and a main bragging point of the outfielder’s agent is that he can throw the ball 120 feet, mostly, and swing a bat without much pain
Giants seem to be working pretty hard to winnow down the fanbase to those who only care about WAR
Huh? These guys put up a combined negative WAR in 2022. What’re you talking about? This is the opposite of signing guys based on WAR…. Smh
Rogers had 1fWAR which is borderline elite for a reliever. Conforto didn’t play.
Tf are you talking about
Milwaukee, MLB trade rumors baseball writers posted a top 50 free agents list with predictions. Adams Dierkes Franco and MacDonald (author of story above). 17th was Manaea (Rumors predicted 4/$52mil and sf signed him for 2/25), 20 Haniger (Rumors 3/39, sf 3/43.5, 24 Rogers (rumors 3/30, sf 3/33), 34 Pederson (1/19 both) 38 Stripling (rumors 2/19, sf 2/25), 44 Conforto (rumors 1/15, sf 2/36). Rumors total AAV for these 6 players is 79.5 mill ($13mill+ per signee). Sf total AAV for the 6 is $87 mill ($14+ per signee). sf got 6 of the top 44. Keep in mind, this list was created by 4 baseball writers on this site. Also, the first 22 on the list had been signed, 23 is eovaldi and again Rogers was 24. So, of the remaing players on Rumors list, Eovaldi was the only one above Rogers. Rogers per 162 games pitched, 3.42era, 67 ip, only 17 walks and 79 KS. rogers 2 bad years but excellent years in Minn. Lastly, use Baseball Reference and research all of this years free agents and you’ll find many have had more than one bad year.
Good stuff there, claude. Thanks.
Brothers in Arms.
Tyler and Taylor together in SF
Farhan will be working for Google or Apple by this time next year.
Giants are like a uncle who comes to thanksgiving the next day and eats up all the left overs.
They already forgot about the Melancon debacle?
Yeah because that was the same coaching staff..
I’m sure they’ll work wonders for him and this will be the best reliever contract in the last 10 years
@sacball
Or the same FO, even.
The Giants are building a full team instead of signing just one guy.
Probably better off on the long run this way, but it still comes off as disappointing.
HalosHeavenJJ;
Yes, they need so much and that’s the problem.
Their FO administration told the fans to be patient, they were going to keep the championship Giants in place to retire with the team while they built the farm system with the next generation of contending Giants teams. Their farm system hasn’t produced much at all, and many of their better prospects regressed in 2022. Even if they intend to spend like the Padres and Mets owners it’ll take another 3-4 years of what they did this year just to get to contending status….and who knows what their signees from this year will be producing then.
There’s nothing wrong with the Giants, they don’t suck. But they are coming off as a middling teams that’s chasing their tail.
Great summary. My dad is a Giants fan so I’ve always liked them. Made for an awkward 2002 Series, though, ha ha.
Headlines: Rogers’ physical reveals toenail fungus, Giants renege on deal.
What an over pay
Head case. Not a closer for sure. Y
Dang bad move lol
Goodness, the Giants are pissed they didn’t get Judge, and especially pissed they didn’t get Correa. Trying to make up for it by signing everybody else.
Looks like the Giants accountant misplaced a decimal point. Sucks to be him…
Giants going full Joker and signing Bauer next
Has there ever been twins that played the same position on the same team before? Well Taylor is more of a closer and Tyler is more of a reliever but nevertheless, both are bullpen guys.
Good question, here it is, answer apparently is no:
mlb.com/news/twin-brothers-in-mlb-history
So will they cancel the deal when the physical reveals a scar from a noogie his brother gave him.
Gosh, every single signing runs about 80% negative. Bunch of happy fans.
This guy sucks,
That guy sucks,
They suck all the way,
Oh what fun,
It is to chide,
About the one that got away,
Hey!
Nice, lol
It’s hard to be positive about mediocre 32 year old relievers getting massive 3 year deals lol
bingo
They still don’t have a legit CF, 1B and 3b – so many holes
Yep, whole lotta holes, which reportedly was the original title to the led zeppelin tune, only later evolving into whole lotta love after an all night lsd induced bacchanal.
They should pick up Hosmer they need 1b
On a cheap 1yr prove it deal, not a bad idea
Hosmer is always a bad idea…never, ever a good idea. Go for Voit over Hosmer any day of the week. Hosmer sucks, will always suck and basically sucks until he can’t suck no more!
So just to wrap it up, Hosmer sucks!
Voit is worse
Nah, Hosmer is worse! Terrible person, terrible player! Voit is a good dude, decent player.
If Belt’s 2022 knee surgery is another success story (had it few seasons ago with good outcome – and early reports this from the latest one were very good) I’d prefer a 1 year deal with him over anybody else in FA.
He was an absolute beast in 2020 and 2021. That’d be a low-risk signing with serious upside potential – with very little lost if it didn’t go well.
Goob, if in fact his knee is close to 100%, signing belt would be a steal. My concern is though, that if he is recovered, why hasn’t he signed elsewhere. What have you heard, goob?
Haven’t heard a thing. Just to speculate: Still rehabbing? Teams have had higher priorities up to now than an aging first-baseman with a questionable knee?
There’s still more than a month and a half to go before ST starts and more than 3 months to go before the season starts, so plenty of time remains – if it’s actually even going to happen.
Signing a bunch of guys they can trade in July when they’re 18 games out.
I think he’s much better than last year. Giants always build a solid pitching staff, helped out by their pitcher’s friendly park.
I liked Rogers for the RS, but had him at $18M/2. FWIW, both MLB-R and Clemens from FG had him at $30M/3. Given the acceleration in salaries this month, $33M/3 is probably about right.
Just a few weeks ago people were saying how stupid the Tigers & Harris were for signing Matthew Boyd to a 1yr/$10m.
Dude gets beat like a drum and gets 33M. Wow good on his agent. It also looks like SF just wants to throw money around after the Judge and Correa episodes. He gets to make bank and hang out with his brother, I’m sure he couldn’t be happier.
The Giants promo department will be working overtime. Twinsie Night! Two for One Admission for twins — but you got to share one seat. And Comforto Nights. Free blankies whenever the fog rolls in and temps dip below 50 degrees.. Better than giraffe and panda hats!
What does the Giant’s lineup look like? I don’t see it.
Rogers had 3 bad games with Milwaukee last year. Other than that he’s been outstanding his entire career. Even with San Diego his FIP was 2.34.
Great signing. The Giants do need another lefty and between Britton, Moore, Smith, Chafin, Hand and a few others I’m sure they’ll sign one more.
This is the most giants move ever lol. They really think they are gonna put fans in the stands by having twin brothers who suck on the same team in the same bullpen
Roger That!!!
Never would’ve imagined Taylor Rogers getting a 3 year contract from anybody.
That said, MLB NEEDS TO EXPAND TWO MORE TEAMS.
This would be the perfect time to do it too. MLB needs a BIG distraction from the Bauer Episode.
I wish MLB would add 20 more teams. I might be able to land a contract, based on my fastball spin rate, and other advanced statistics. Never mind the fact that my heater tops out at 57 mph. I can spin it.
Nashville, Vegas, Portland, and Vancouver/Montreal should already have MLB teams. Manfred is just using them as leverage to get Oakland and Tampa Bay taxpayer funds for stadiums.
Just a matter of time until they resign Belt !
Pretty fascinating that they are identical twins but throw from different sides.
Tyler Rogers will really suck in san Francisco, as their defense was really bad last year and will be worse in 2023.
Next stop The Twilight Zone.
Giants sign Craig Kimbrel to a 3 year contract for $34 million.
Why are people such haters?
Yep. It’s crazy.
Why such an absolutely massive overpay on both AAV and years? This might be the most illogical signing and contract value of the off season.
MLB Rumors predicted 3/$30mill. He got 3/$33. Massive overpay for a bandit
The Giants are insane!!!! I’m glad they finally landed someone but Rogers made it out like a bandit in this deal.
“There’s Taylor, there’s Tyler, There’s Fillmore and there’s Hayes…”
I’ll take obscure Simpsons references for $100.
$200 million for a team full of Joc Pederson type players. The giants won’t be winners for awhile. Logan Webb is already getting fed up with losing.
Is he ?
That’s a bit surprising considering he is yet to be a part of a losing season. You sure that just not more of your legendary hate ?
Foppert Webb was part of losing seasons in San Francisco in 2019 and 2020. Look it up
Ah, I think he experienced a bunch of winning during the 2021 107 win season. He’s smart enough to know what things can look like in the future with this team. He is the ace, and will be paid like that when the time comes.
I love all these people using the most obscure of weird stats (FWIP/SAW) X CAR + XYZ% to say he is better than he looks. He isn’t. He used to be a good closer. Some time in SD he fell off a cliff and was blowing saves like it was his job. That seems to have continued in Milwaukee.
The question is, do you want him on the bump in the ninth with the game on the line? I would say no, and no obscure “stat” will change that.
they should’ve signed andrew chafin instead for what will probably end up being half the cost of this rogers deal
The Giants, suddenly having a bag of cash to throw around, using a dartboard to find how to spend it.
MLB trade rumors baseball writers posted a top 50 free agents list with predictions. Adams Dierkes Franco and MacDonald (author of story above). 17th was Manaea (Rumors predicted 4/$52mil and sf signed him for 2/25), 20 Haniger (Rumors 3/39, sf 3/43.5, 24 Rogers (rumors 3/30, sf 3/33), 34 Pederson (1/19 both) 38 Stripling (rumors 2/19, sf 2/25), 44 Conforto (rumors 1/15, sf 2/36). Rumors total AAV for these 6 players is 79.5 mill ($13mill+ per signee). Sf total AAV for the 6 is $87 mill ($14+ per signee). Rumors has Chafin at 39th at 2/18 (9 AAV). Again, they had Rogers at 3/30 (10 AAV). Joseph is 9 half of 10. Rememberthecoop, whoever is on your “dartboard” sf got 6 of the top 44. Keep in mind, this list was created by 4 baseball writers on this site. Also, the first 22 on the list had been signed, 23 is eovaldi and again Rogers was 24. Rogers per 162 games pitched, 3.42era, 67 ip, only 17 walks and 79 KS. rogers 2 bad years but excellent years in Minn. Lastly, use Baseball Reference and research all of this years free agents and you’ll find many have had more than one bad year.
Good work, Claude.
Okay, why aren’t these brothers playing for Minnesota? Come on now.
Fink, that’s a great question.
I was hoping it would happen the first time I saw Tyler had reached Triple-A ball.
It seemed a no-brainer to do since Taylor was popular and Tyler wouldn’t have cost the Twins much at all back then. Acquiring him would have easily paid for itself with just the news novelty of it all. Plus, that submarine style pitch that Tyler was sporting looked devastating to batters in the clips that I saw on YouTube.
Alas….
I see the Rogers’ Twins are finally on the same team together.
Just not on the Minnesota Twins, though, as I was hoping could happen many years ago.
I have a bad feeling that we’re going to see a poorly constructed infield again.
If they’re going to trade Gleyber, the assumption is that DJ will be the starting second baseman — provided he’s healthy — unless Volpe wins the position out of camp, which seems unlikely. Then who’s the starting third baseman? Donaldson again.
Cashman seems to have a terror of giving starting jobs to prospects when there’s a sub-par veteran to whom he can give the job, so I’m not confident that the starting shortstop will be Peraza and not IKF.
If that’s the setup — an infield of Rizzo, LeMahieu, Donaldson and IKF — that’ll suck.
If they keep Gleyber, they’ll get at least above-average offense and average defense at second base. But if they keep DJ in a utility role and keep Donaldson at third, they’re betting on the unlikely prospect of Donaldson regaining bat speed at age 37.
Once again, Cashman has painted himself into a corner with two expensive question marks in the infield, DJ and Donaldson. Everything would have to go right for both of them to be above-average productive players — but when has everything gone right for an entire season?
Sorry about that. This comment was meant for another thread. Apologies, sports fans.
Bring back Buster for 1 season !!
He is back. He’s back as owner
With Conforto and Rogers off the board, SpoTrac lists just a handful of players left in free agency with more than a $10m “market value”. They are:
Nathan Eovaldi (also has a QO attached)
Brandon Belt
Nelson Cruz
Zack Grienke
AJ Pollock
Trey Mancini
Yuli Gurriel
Jurickson Profar
Michael Wacha
Dylan Bundy
Johnny Cueto
A good amount of starters left, a few 1B/DH types, and 2 outfielders. Kind of wondering at this point who is even in the market for someone like Belt.
Tampa Bay, Seattle, Baltimore maybe
Right. I’m interested to see what4 happens with Belt.,
Taylor Rogers > Dev Williams
That is all , A slam dunk top 10 LH RP in the game
I like the moves. Not world shaking but they needed an outfielder. Got one. They needed bullpen help. Got one. They need a catcher, will get one. A few other dumpster dives along the way. They will be competitive this season. Upside 85 Wins downside 70.
My thoughts, the rebuild continues. End of next season we should see some serious players from the minors make impact. 2025 is the timeline. If not by then, turnover in the front office will begin. 2/3 more years of this. Sucks but what are you going to do.
107 Wins is still a huge accomplishment. I think the team definitely knows how to turn out talent. I just hope the right pieces come together at the right time.
We don’t need a catcher. We do however need a new president of baseball operations
That ought to help confuse Kapler even more
The Giants are nearly at 200M for the 2023 roster? Yikes.
Really even spread. 10 of them between 10 and 19m. The majority of those between 10 and 14.
He keeps it flexible. Approx $70k coming off at the end of 23 with another 40 odd if guys take opt outs.
k=m
$207 actually goes to luxury tax total. Use Spotrac Different they are very thorough.
It’s cool. I like it.
Sadly, this would’ve been an upgrade for the Marlins in that he has a pulse and has had more Closer success than all of the pieces in Marlins bullpen…even if it was for half a season.
Cute. I wonder which team will actually sign him
3/33m? For an iffy closer-ish type whose best years were four years ago and longer?
FIP likes him and it’s obvious why that is (13.2K / 1.8BB in 2021 was outstanding) but he doesn’t suppress hits OR home runs close to the way you want. And the Giants are hoping he rebounds at 32.
Feels like Correa-hangover. Zaidi: “I DON’T CARE. SIGN SOMEBODY!!!”
Giants might be pretty good this year–just by the way. At least they’re adding players who might actually be good. This is the lightning Zaidi caught in 2021 and he’s going back to the lightning well, but he doesn’t have anyone for 2023 who’ll pitch like Rodon or Gausman did.
JackStrawb adding a former all star starter, who has a no hitter under his belt, isn’t a good move?
This is so dumb
A lot of Doe for this guy. He’s Had Success. I hope it carries over. Plus the Giants absolutely have to overpay to get guys here. Good Luck to Both Parties.
WTF…talk about overpay. The guy sucks. Got so tired of him having a guy 0-2 and then plunk him in the back foot with a crappy slider