The Giants have landed the star player they’d been seeking. San Francisco is reportedly in agreement with Carlos Correa on a 13-year, $350MM contract. The deal doesn’t contain any opt-out provisions but the Boras Corporation client will receive a full no-trade clause.
It’ll be the third team in as many years for Correa, who turned 28 in September. The longtime Astro hit free agency last winter. Generally regarded as the top player in that offseason’s class, he didn’t find the long-term megadeal he’d sought after declining a qualifying offer from Houston.
After the lockout, Correa pivoted to a shorter-term gamble on himself, inking a three-year guarantee with the Twins that paid him the largest per-year salary ($35.1MM) for a free agent position player in MLB history. That deal allowed Correa to opt out and retest the market this winter, and he was ineligible for another QO thanks to the CBA’s prohibition on a player receiving the offer multiple times in his career.
Correa’s 2022 campaign got off to a slower than expected start. He hit .243/.309/.324 in April, presumably dealing with some lingering effects of his late signing and cold early-season weather that took a toll on his power output. In the first week of May, Correa dealt with a scare when he was struck on the right hand on a check swing. Initial x-rays indicated he may have fractured his right middle finger, but follow-up testing revealed he suffered only a bruise. He still landed on the injured list but returned after a minimal stint. Aside from a brief stay on the COVID-19 list a few weeks later, Correa stayed healthy the rest of the way.
After returning from the finger bruise, Correa was one of the sport’s best players. He hit .299/.376/.488 in 487 plate appearances from mid-May onwards. Among 133 qualified hitters over that stretch, he ranked 14th in on-base percentage and 23rd in slugging. That excellent finish brought his season line up to .291/.366/.467 in 136 games. Correa’s overall offensive productivity was 40 percentage points above league average, by measure of wRC+. That’s right in line with the levels he’d established late in his time in Houston. Correa stumbled in the abbreviated 2020 campaign but had respective wRC+ tallies 42 and 33 points above average in 2019 and ’21.
Over the past four seasons, the former first overall pick has tallied just under 1800 plate appearances. He’s hit .281/.359/.481 with a strong 10.6% walk rate and a lower than average 20.4% strikeout percentage. Correa has posted a hard contact rate north of 42% in each of the past four seasons, well above the 35-36% league marks. Broadly speaking, there’s nothing to nitpick with his offensive ability. He makes contact, has strong plate discipline and has topped 20 home runs in six of the seven 162-game seasons of his career. Correa has unsurprisingly been better against left-handers than righties, but he’s been excellent against pitchers of either handedness. He owns a .291/.386/.482 career mark against southpaws, while he’s hit .274/.346/.477 against same-handed arms.
Correa had some injury issues earlier in his career, missing time in 2018 with back discomfort and fracturing a rib in 2019. He’s only twice topped 600 plate appearances in a season, but the aforementioned finger contusion is the only non-virus ailment that has sent him to the IL within the past three seasons. With his recent health and the strong finish to his 2022 campaign, his camp made the easy call to opt out of the final two years and $70.2MM on his Twins deal.
For the second straight winter, he was the top free agent option in a loaded shortstop class. Even with Trea Turner, Xander Bogaerts and Dansby Swanson hitting the open market, Correa was the best available shortstop. Aaron Judge was the market’s top free agent overall on the heels of an MVP-winning, 62-homer season, but one can argue Correa was the best long-term bet available.
In addition to his strong offensive track record, the two-time All-Star is typically one of the sport’s most valuable defenders. Defensive Runs Saved has pegged him as an above-average shortstop in every season of his career. Altogether, DRS has pegged him as 70 runs better than par in more than 7600 innings. Statcast hasn’t been as bullish, but it also generally rates him as a plus gloveman. Statcast has pegged Correa as 17 runs above average since it began tracking defense in 2016, including plus grades each year from 2018-21.
Correa’s defense marks were particularly excellent during his final season in Houston, when he rated as +20 runs by DRS and +9 runs at Statcast. He secured his first career Gold Glove award in the process. This year’s reviews weren’t so impressive. DRS still considered him a net positive at three runs above average, but that was the lowest mark of his career. Statcast pegged him two runs below par, his first below-average showing by that metric since 2017.
Defensive metrics can vary on an annual basis, and it doesn’t seem San Francisco’s concerned with this past season’s mid-tier showing. Correa boasts a plus arm and has generally been very sure-handed. There may be some trepidation about how his 6’4″, 220 pound frame will hold up into his mid-late 30’s, particularly since he’s only an average runner. With his hands and arm strength, however, the Giants can at least project above-average glovework for the next few seasons.
San Francisco has four-time Gold Glove winner Brandon Crawford under contract for another year. They didn’t enter the offseason needing shortstop help necessarily, but their infield around Crawford had its share of question marks. San Francisco re-signed Wilmer Flores to a two-year guarantee to add a productive righty bat to the mix at first, second or third base. Tommy La Stella is under contract for another season but hasn’t played well since landing in San Francisco. J.D. Davis and David Villar are on hand as corner options, while Thairo Estrada can cover the middle infield and adds a solid righty bat.
There are a lot of moving pieces available for skipper Gabe Kapler, but adding Correa figures to solidify the left side of the infield with an everyday pair. Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle wrote last month the team planned to move Crawford to the hot corner if they were to sign Correa. Crawford has never played an inning outside of shortstop in the majors, but he figures to handle the less demanding position well.
While shortstop itself may not have been a priority for president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi and his front office, adding impact talent certainly was. The Giants made no secret of their desire to land Judge. When he returned to the Bronx, the club pivoted to Correa — the clear top hitter remaining. He’ll now become the highlight acquisition of the offseason, joining outfielder Mitch Haniger and pitchers Sean Manaea and Ross Stripling as players brought in to try to rebound from an 81-81 campaign.
Doing so requires one of the largest investments in major league history. The $350MM guarantee checks in as the fourth-largest ever. It’s the second-biggest free agent deal of all-time, just narrowly below the $360MM deal that Judge inked a week ago. Correa becomes the second free agent to land a 13-year contract, matching the record length secured by Bryce Harper with the Phillies over the 2018-19 offseason. The deal runs through the 2035 campaign, what will be Correa’s age-40 season.
That kind of lengthy megadeal has become en vogue this offseason. Turner and Bogaerts signed 11-year deals with the Phillies and Padres, respectively, taking them each through their own age-40 seasons. Judge inked a nine-year deal that paid him through age 39. MLBTR had predicted Correa for a nine-year, $288MM contract at the start of the offseason. As with Turner and Bogaerts, those deals lasted longer than anticipated, with each correspondingly securing a greater guarantee than expected.
That has involved a bit of a tradeoff with regards to annual salary, however. Correa’s deal comes with an average annual value around $26.92MM, a mark that’s outside the top 25 in MLB history. That’s well lower than the $32MM per-year salary MLBTR had projected, with the Puerto Rico native electing to sacrifice some money on an annual basis to secure a larger total sum. Doing so could very well position him to spend the remainder of his career in the Bay Area.
From a team perspective, spreading the guarantee over a longer term adds more future downside but has the more immediate benefit of reducing the club’s luxury tax hit. A team’s CBT commitments are based on deals’ average annual values, and the $26.92MM mark is more manageable in that regard.
That’s now relevant for the Giants, whose payroll has spiked dramatically. The specific financial breakdown isn’t yet clear, but an evenly distributed salary would push the Giants 2023 payroll around $190MM, as projected by Roster Resource. Their luxury tax figure is about $206MM, $27MM below the base threshold. San Francisco’s spending is well above the $150-155MM range of the past few seasons, but it’s still shy of their $200MM franchise-record Opening Day mark from 2018.
The Giants could keep pushing forward as they jostle for position atop a stacked NL West with the Dodgers and Padres. The bullpen is still a question mark, and San Francisco could look into upgrades at first base and/or center field. The Giants remained involved in the bidding for ace Carlos Rodón as of this afternoon as well, although signing both Correa and the top remaining free agent starting pitcher may push beyond their financial comfort level.
As for Correa’s now-former team, they’ll be left to regroup having missed out on their top target of the winter. Minnesota offered a 10-year deal worth $285MM, tweets Jon Heyman of the New York Post. That came with a higher annual salary than the offer Correa actually accepted, but the Twins were apparently reluctant to commit deep into his 30’s. They’re now facing an uncertain shortstop situation, with Kyle Farmer and Royce Lewis looking like the top internal options.
Minnesota has already had some discussions with Swanson this offseason, keeping tabs on him as a fallback possibility to Correa. The organization should have a decent amount of financial flexibility and could now pivot more strongly after Swanson if they’re determined to address shortstop. They’ve also been linked to Rodón at various points and could try to allocate their spending capacity to a top-of-the-rotation arm. The Twins surely aren’t done in any event, although that’ll be little consolation for the front office and fanbase for the moment. Because Correa was ineligible for the qualifying offer, they don’t receive any compensation for his departure.
It’s the latest massive move in an offseason that has gained plenty of steam since the calendar flipped to December. Correa joins an increasingly loaded division and, more generally, a very competitive National League. In the process, he becomes the new face of the Giants — a role the club hopes he’ll effectively hold well into the next decade.
Jeff Passan of ESPN first reported Correa and the Giants had agreed to a 13-year, $350MM contract. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reported the deal didn’t include any opt-out provisions but contained a full no-trade clause.
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Holy Toledo. Giants broke the bank.
Wow
Welcome to the off-season Giants.
Wow…
Omg omg omg oh nooooooo
Opt out every other year?
Every other game.
Woah! Dodgers fans are really gonna hate him now
They’ll boo him after begging him to come to LA. Dumb fanbase!
Correa is talented but most of Dodger fan-base did not want him. Going to SF will be great for the rivalry.
Is there a way to mute this assclown permanently? I have to mute him in every thread and it’s getting annoying.
puig—-every troll I have muted has gone away permanently—and it makes for a much easier read on the board.
As a dodger fan who wanted correa, I have looked past that pet of his past. I will now be booing him for being a Giant and for not being a dodger
Honestly no Dodger fans should boo him or any Astro player if they cheer on Betts.
Facts!
I cheer Betts as a dodger knowing what happened in 2018. A lot do dodger fans don’t move on. We got our ring eventually and it comes with the same nuance as 2017 and (to an oddly lesser extent because MLB loves Boston) 2018
Technically they should boo Betts about half as loud, relative to what the two organizations did.
Boston was doing the exact same stuff Houston was, but nobody in their right mind would admit it like Houston did, after the way they got treated. They found a fall guy in Boston and nobody talked.
You are on some good stuff, nobody here in LA wanted him.
Guess you don’t browse the internet much. Dodger fans were pleading for him all over Twitter, FB, etc.
Happy for Giants fans, can imagine how frustrated they were after missing out on Judge. Always great to add a real superstar to your team.
He’s an all star caliber player, but I wouldn’t quite classify him as a “superstar”
You would be wrong.
He’s one of the best players in the league. Doesn’t matter what you call him
When you are a top 3 SS in the game like Correa, you are a superstar.
I was relieved when they missed out on Judge. I’m OK with this one as the AAV is so much lower. This is as much a marketing deal as it is a baseball deal. I’d be willing to bet my next month’s rent it was driven by ownership more than Farhan.
Aside from this one, they don’t have any money committed past 2025 right now, so even with the large price tag it is still very affordable. But even for ’23 theyvare still ~22mil below the tax.
Turner>Correa
Wow!
Finally got a FA pick right
This offseason is crazy.
Dansby to the Dodgers
I think he will come back to the Braves now. It’s between the Braves or the Cubs.
Not a shot. They are couple years short and about 7mil aav to low.
Braves were out at 6 years. It’s up to 10 now.
I’d guess Dansby to Cubs.
With what’s about to happen to Swanson’s market, I highly doubt Jed and Carter even participate any more. It’s not even about the money anymore. It’s the years that are stupid. I doubt the Cubs even make an offer.
Cubs or Twins.
13 year contract?
What could go wrong?
My thoughts. The length of these contracts are absolutely absurd.
An AAV of $26.9M, which by the early 2030’s will be the equivalent of $14M or so in todays dollars. And the CBT levels will be in the $300M to $400M range.
It’s unlikely to be much of a hinderance – even if he’s in a wheelchair by then… 🙂
Maybe. It seems like the giants have been waiting for their current herd of aging veterans to cycle out for at least 3 years. This guy is going to seem like an bad case of herpes by year 8. And the fans will be like crap we have him for 5 more years. I am seriously very interested to se how all these insanely long contracts play out. Stanton’s already looks horrible and he has to have a 6-7 years left?
Stanton was a 1 dimensional player destined for DH before the trade was made to the Yankees. Correa is an elite defensive shortstop as well as one of the best hitting SS in MLB.
If Correa moves to 2B or 3B in his mid 30s and spends the last 3-4 years at DH then this is still a good deal. Correa’s defensive ability is what makes this contract age better than someone like Stanton.
Actually, websoulsurfer, Stanton was the NL MVP the year before the Yankees traded for him, and he started 149 games in right field where he was credited with 11 DRS and came in fifth in the Fielding Bible voting for best right fielder.
He got injured as a Yankee. That’s what consigned him primarily to DHing.
What part of destined did you not understand? Body size and his speed or lack thereof said future DH in all caps and with a bullet.
11 DRS for a RF is good. It was 6th best for a RF that season. Tied with Nick Markakis. Same level of defense would not be league average for a CF.
He was MLVP because he hit 59 home runs, a .631 SLG, 169 OPS+, and 1.007 OPS. He was a monster at the plate.
Voting? Like the voting for GG? Exactly. Worth nothing.
In 2017, his last year as a Marlin, Giancarlo had a sprint speed of 27.8, same as Kevin Pillar and faster than Harper, Reddick, Soler and Jackie Bradley Jr., all of whom continued to play the outfield for years.
His sprint speed was also faster than Correa’s.
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/sprint_speed?mi…
Judge’s body size means he can’t play the outfield either . . . oh, wait . . . he had a faster sprint speed than Mookie Betts in 2017 and he won the Fielding Bible award for the best right fielder in 2021.
Sometimes it’s better to simply admit when you’re wrong.
Nothing. The 13 years lowers the AAV to the point this is a great deal.
Salaries are just the tipping point. Players deserve every penny.
All of them.
Woah!
My thoughts exactly! Woah!
Woah to me too, but not to player agents. Owners are accepting these contracts because agents know they can get them.
He’s never hit 30 home runs.
He’s never had 100 RBI.
He’s going to a pitcher-friendly park.
I don’t understand.
Trash can gets a contract too?
what?
Come on man
Why would a trash can get a contract?
Job security.
Helps the diversity numbers. Trash cans are sorely undervalued and underpaid in the MLB.
Haha – Giants always over pay.
Was it an overpay for Turner?
jrussell92024 — Jealous? Everyone is over[paying. Everyone!
13 years. Jeebus. Bryce Harper ok. Terrible for Correa. Guess it’s the market though
Bigtime move for SFG. Figured the NYM story was Boras Borasing
Wow! These contracts are getting out of hand
A contract that does not expire until after the 2035 season.
27 AAV for 13 years? Man Swanson is gonna get paid
He would do extremely well to get even a third of what Correra got.
I think he will get at least half. Only way he gets a third os if he does a 1 year opt out. 200 million won’t surprise me at all.
What’s Swanson’s market? LA is waiting on ruling. Atlanta won’t over pay. Chicago probably wants him but who is going to bid him up? Or can they be tricked into bidding against themselves? Minn has interest but how much will they spend? Need Yankees to get thirsty for him. Or Colorado to get crazy.
Halo’s ready to scoop him up now!
So glad this wasn’t the Mets.
Me too and I’m a Mets fan. I like Correa but that bad back won’t age well.
Insane!!!!!!!!!!!! These deals are out of control
What a stupid sport this has turned into. Lol
Well that happened fast.
13?! Damn. Carlos with the fat bank
I can’t wait for some of the gem posts I know are coming.
And here weeee…GO!!!
Yeah all these genius GM’s on here, posting from their Boy Cave
When I first read this I though it said Carlos Rodon and was like what the hell. I wonder where they move Crawford, they have JD Davis for 3rd so maybe Crawford plays 2nd?
The GIants can use Crawford as Correa’s bat boy.
That’s the plan
3rd base. Crawford has the arm and defense for it.
MTG — Actually, I think Villar plays 3B, Correa ss (obviously), Crawford 2b (if he hits). Crawford’s range will really be valuable with the new rules (no shifts).
I believe they’ll platoon Pederson and Davis at DH. Also, Davis does play leftfield. Crawford at 2b kicks out Estrada and they want middle D to improve so I think Estrada stays at 2b. Crawford still has a gun, so I think 3b. Pete, your high on Villar, as am i,but I’m not sure he’s ready.
Giants already said that if they signed Correa, that Crawford had agreed to play 3B.
wow!
Holy #####
13 years?! Lol Jed, I don’t blame you.
Dansby, how does 7 sound?
As a twins fan, it hurts!
It’s okay brother. Elvis and Farmer will do fine
13 years? Sheesh
Wow! making up for Judge. 13 years. why not sign him to social security comes
If they thought that MLB would let them sign him to a 20-year deal, they would to lower the AAV.
Wow 13 years! This contract won’t be that great in a handful of years.
Nice to see the Giants finally spend.
The jury is in Farhan, you can stay.
You should probably keep this behind closed doors boss.
Do we know if MLB is going to Veto it yet?
Manfred’s finger is hovering over the big red button right now.
If he didn’t like 14 years, I wonder how he feels about 13.
I guess Correa is a lot younger than Judge
Manfred was sidetracked inserting four different baseballs into all the baseball crates for ‘23.
Clip, next season the “Goldilocks” ball is going to be strapped to a scram jet!
Why would they even consider nixing it? It takes him from his age 28 season in 2023 to his age 40 season in 2035. Way too many players have played to age 40 for the league to justify not signing off on this deal.
Why do you think they were going to nix the Judge to SD deal?
I don’t think they would have. Little justification for doing so. Judge would have been 45 in the last season of that deal. Correa will be 40 in the last season of his deal. Verlander is 40 and signed to play for at least 2 and possibly 3 years.
Here come the Giants
Where are they going?
You’re*
What do you have to say about ownership spending money now Giants fans???
That crowd is suddenly very, very quiet.
I’m not quiet, I’m shocked, but happy. They bucked decades of reputation today, which should help them convince other FAs down the line that they can be trusted. Now, time to push more chips in and get Rodon. This team still needs a lot. But Correa is now in place to be a piece of the foundation and that at least appeases this fan for now. Not spending money would have been unconscionable.
Decades of reputation when they had one of the higher payrolls nearly every year. Go try being a Ray’s fan for a week. Seriously.
@chips – you don’t seem to be part of the problem then. There’s a vocal minority (at least I hope it’s a minority) on here that complains every. single. time. the Giants make a small roster move, conflating it to mean that the Giants will never spend any money ever (ignoring that the team was very bad and that it would’ve made no sense whatsoever to sign a pricey free agent to a mediocre-at-best team). Those are the fans that have been awfully quiet.
Dam 23 years!
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1) Glad he’s not a Met.
2) Holy sh&t that’s a long contract (yes I know to lower AAV).
Lifelong Giants fan…this makes me gag. I don’t want this cheater
and before I get any losers coming at me with Bonds, I never liked him either
BIG difference between Bonds and Correa though. And, I’m no Bonds fan either.
Well they are pretty similar if you compare Correa’s big-headeded ego to Bonds’ actual huge noggin…
Respect. I feel the same way about Correa, and I was worried my team would pick him up. And to be honest, for me it’s less about the cheating, and more about how he handled himself after the cheating. Correa is a superstar talent and will put up some great numbers, but sometimes, the fan in you just doesn’t want to root for a guy.
Von, he handled it fine. Eventually you nutjobs need to get over it. It would be annoying to have to apologized hundreds of times for something most of the league was doing.
He definitely did not handle it fine. And it wasn’t about apologies…etc. He immediately went to the defensive and played and interviewed with a chip on his shoulder, cursing out any and all who criticized him or his teammates. The guy got a ring behind a huge scandal. It’s not like there was some great injustice done to him. Just compare Altuve to Correa post scandal.
@VonPurpleHayes, you hit the nail on the head for me as well. I was fortunate to have played the great game of baseball for many years and now have coached it for 10 years. Integrity is part of the game. Baseball fans are a passionate bunch. We care about Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, the Curse of the Bambino, etc. It’s what sets baseball apart IMO.
Many of us (not all, but many) give a sh#t about the Astros and their smug attitudes about cheating out a World Series. Many of us wanted (and still do) to punch Alex Bregman’s smug face and to wipe Carlos Correa’s pencil mustache off. It still pisses me off. And everyone, fans and players, associated with that debacle are going to have to live with that.
Sure, make your millions boys. Live it up. Glad you’re not on my team. I’m sure you don’t care. But I do…and I know many others do as well.
Maverick12 — Get over it. It’s only going to ruin the game for you, no one else. Just enjoy.
Sadly it does ruin the game somewhat. I do not enjoy watching cheaters prosper
Pete: I can say this, if he were picked up by the Yankees I would acknowledge his contributions and root for him to do well because of the team, similar to how I rooted for A-Rod, but disliked him (obviously this is before the PED stuff came out).
I think it’ll be the same with you guys. Bottom of the 9th, Oracle Park, GM5, and Correa hits a walk-off – yeah, every single Giants fan is going nuts over that, even if they don’t like him. And I don’t blame them because we all would too.
That’s a lot of years to commit to someone who’s 28!
Better than Bogaerts though
Dam right I don’t like his away numbers
Same as Bogaerts. Their contracts take both through their age 40 seasons.
More peak years of Correa. Bogaerts is already in decline, if you look at his underlying stats
Years aren’t a big deal. Free agents are focused on total money security. More years allow you to keep the aav down and beat the competing offers. I wouldn’t have given this contract but the years aren’t what concerns me.
All the Giants fans in here that talked crap about Correa and the Astros are changing their Avatars and Handles, And they will come in here bestowing love upon Correa and the Giants. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!
I’m one for Sure. Hell yeah we got him Now !!!
I’ll assume you meant “all the Giants fans in here who.”
I appreciate the signing.
Look, first, BIG congratulations to Giants fans. Slow offseason but you undoubtedly landed one of the premiere FAs and future of your team. He’s well-liked by younger players (see Jeremy Peña’s interview about Correa’s mentorship) and he’s a true competitor.
However, I can’t help but wonder if they were bidding against themselves on this, unless MN came forward with a huge offer. There was really nobody else (was the Mets thing true, perhaps?).
Well, your team wasn’t really much improved yesterday, but regardless of how you feel about Correa (I don’t like him), you can’t deny he will improve your ball club.
The Dodger-Giants games are going to be awesome! And you guys come to Yankee Stadium the first series too, so you’ll hear our love for him!
13 years? Damn. Tbh I’m just glad that the Mets didn’t get him lol
Wow… didn’t see this one coming.
That’s…quite a contract. But they needed to make a splash and cannon balled into this pool
That’s a lot of years to commit to someone who’s 28.
13, 350.
Vetoed because manipulation?? Seems like a similar structure to the rumored Judge / SD rumors
Except he’s 3-4 years younger than judge
Still takes him to over 40 at contracts end, wasn’t that the leagues problem with the Judge hypothetical deal
If Judge signed the 14-year deal SD offered, he would have been 45 at the end of it. Correa will be 40 in the final season of his. A 40-year-old player just signed a 3-year deal with a $43.3 million AAV. What possible justification would there be for nixing Correa’s deal?
Justification wouldn’t be hard.
What if Correa is offered something that beats Turners contract by a few million? It’ll depend if someone offered him 10/315 and he turned it down for a few extra years and a little bump to “help” his team sign/extend/trade more players
Basically circumventing the true meaning and purpose of the cap
Now if it was an “organic” negotiation where multiple teams had similar offers and a year separated them or a million or two in total monies etc, ok….
But now what about Bo. Can the Jays say “bet” (kids taught me that) and go 18 over 333 and keep it under 20AAV LOOOOLZ.
Does BO say no? I dunno a third of a Billion is hard to turn down
There is no cap.
How do you prove that they are trying to circumvent the CBT threshold when it’s entirely plausible that Correa plays through his age 40 season? You can’t.
Bo Bichette is 3 years younger than Correa. If the Jays wanted to extend him a 16-year deal, there is nothing MLB could say about it. Its plausible that he can play that long.
Websoul, so you don’t think the Judge to SD deal should have been vetoed if it came to fruition?
No. There have been players that continued to play though age 44-45. Not many, but enough that an arbitrator for the National Labor Relations Board would have ruled in favor of the union when they brought a grievance for the deal being nixed.
It goes without saying that most players aren’t machines like Verlander is. Does anyone really think that Judge would even contemplate playing on the field when he’s 45?
I don’t feel all warm and fuzzy about Correa on the field at 41 either.
He can spend the last couple of seasons in the dugout, banging the trash can.
Thats great, because his last season of this contract will be his age 40 season.
By then they will be hitting a button and a speaker in the players batting helmet will tell them what the pitch is.
Cheater till the end. Booooooooo!
As a Giants fan, not thrilled. We need power hitters. Correa isn’t going to carry an offense, and he’s going to hit for less power in SF. That’s a lot of money for a lot of years to a guy who’s probably not going to earn have of it.
baseballencyclopedia — He bats third with Joc and Mitch after him. Giants will score some runs. And don’t sleep on Villar.
FYI, in 2021 Haniger hit 39 hrs. Hanigers 2021 flyball spraychart when overlayed on Oracle park added 4 hrs. It favors right handed hitters. Burks Kent Aurilia etc had success. They led NL in HRs in 2021. Everyone needs to stop the “bad hitters park” delusion. The key is having good right handed hitters which has been the problem.
Not to mention the parks dimensions have changed and if MLB picks a live ball it plays loud in that park. It’s no longer the pain in the butt home run park it was.
Terrible
As a Mets fan, I never believed the Borass rumour that they were interested in him. Glad to see that the Giants were happy to top the Lindor contract for a less talented player. I understand how all the teams are extending the contracts to lower the AAV, but this is a stretch.
I bet he is hurt and doesn’t play ~ 5 out of the 13 years or misses 650 games
I’ll bet you post this a 3rd time?
Wow! The years are amazing. I assumed it would be like 10 or 11, but 13??? Waiting for Manfred to veto this and see another strike
This contract goes through Correa’s age 40 season. A 40 year old just signed a $43.3 million AAV deal and MLB okayed it. What possible reason could Manfred give for nixing this deal?
There was an article about a team offering Judge 14 years 400 million, and he said no. I think it was the Padres. The MLB office would have supposedly rejected that one.
It was the Padres. It was speculation that the commissioner would have rejected it. If he had rejected it, he would have lost that fight in front of the arbitrator. Instead, Judge decided he wanted to finish his career with the team he started it with. More power to him. Classy move.
Yeah. I can’t see the commissioner having any legal authority to tell 2 parties they can’t sign a type of contract that hundreds of thousands and maybe even millions have previously signed. It’s not some illegal gambling contract or anything.
Fire Farhan or whoever is the new GM
Owner made this call.
Thank you
bad contract
I bet he is hurt and doesn’t play ~ 5 out of the 13 years or misses 800 games total
I’m surprised Correa didn’t hold out for 14 or 15 years. I mean, what’s he gonna do for money after he’s 42?
He will have been retired 2 years by then and will be spending his millions. What will you be doing at 42?
So begins the cratering production process
Great the Cubs missed on another targeted Free Agent. I really don’t like Jed Hoyer.
Correa gets personalalized dugout drum kit, and premier bongos.
MLB is right in the bubble economy. Can’t wait to see it pop.
Why would it? Revenue is guaranteed to go up for at least the next 5 years.
Yikes! That’s..umm..well..I’ll just say it..freaking INSANE..
Giants are still a 3rd place team in the NL West even with Carlos. Multiple holes to fill.
Try fourth place
Farhan did a thing!
Bryce Harper gave the Phillies a discount
Right, but when Harper signed everyone bashed the Phillies like everyone is bashing the Giants now. It’s very possible that this contract looks like a steak in 3 years tims when average players are getting 25M a year.
lol steal not steak. I must be hungry.
He’s getting paid 8 million less next season but he’s locked himself into a ludacris 13 year guarantee with a no trade clause. Clearly this was the deal he always wanted but did not get last year. The giants swinging and missing on Aaron Judge was a huge factor here. Correa literally puts up HALF the offense of Judge yet is being paid as if that weren’t the case. Spend just to spend.
But he also plays twice the defense judge does at a much more valuable position. Really tough to compare an OF with a SS when it comes to contracts.
The Yankees didn’t pay judge with the expectation of anything close to his 11 war year. They’ll be happy with 5-7 war, and the Giants will be very happy with 5 war from correa for the next 5 years
Which player do you think produced 39.5 WAR? Which do you think produced 37.0 WAR? How about 4.9 per season or 5.3 per season?
Judge has produced 24% more on offense by OPS+ and wRC+. Not double or even close to double.
Correa is 3 years younger and getting paid 67.5% of the money Judge is getting paid each year.
I get the feeling he’ll waive that no-trade clause real quick
Your up swanson
I am?
So now the Rangers sign Gallo for 10 years and 75 million with 100 million in incentives for playing time and performance? That seems about right. That soft threshold
So it’s a $385M/14 contract and Minnesota waived him after one year.
The Mn contract was 3/105 with two optouts. Thats 16/455 total.
@cleon
Right, he used those opt outs, so @creature only counted the first year of the MIN contract.
If we are going off that, we can say Arod’s opt-out clause in his first contract didn’t matter and he got 20 years and 527 million dollars (10 252 and then 10 275). That isn’t reasonable.
1/35 with Minnesota plus 13/350 with the Giants = 14/385. That is just a touch better than the 10/275 everyone was saying he should have taken from the Tigers.
I was being sarcastic. $110 million is a huge difference.
Your up now swanson
Get Rodon back too. Then the NLW gets a bit interesting again.
Good Deal. This what it Takes. Now go out and Compete !!!
This contract making Bryce Harper 330M for 13 years looks more worthed
“Well honey, that’s just nuts.” – Lester Burnham –
Good player, but overpaid.
Thank goodness. That’s a buttload of years and money, but ~$26M annually isn’t the kind of money that will hamstring them as bad as it seems. I’m curious to see how the deal is structured… hopefully it’s front loaded so they’re not paying. 40-year-old Correa $30-something million
Correa will plug into the heart of the order and push guys like Wilmer Flores and JD Davis into role players rather than regulars. They still could use one legitimate bat in the middle of the order, but there’s not much left in free agency. Benintendi would be a bit of an upgrade, but he doesn’t bring the thump they need to support Correa, Haniger, Joc, and the revolving door of decent platoons.
I think it’s best to stand pat (other than minor additions, like a fifth outfielder or buy-low corner infielder). They can see how Crawford plays at third, if LaMonte Wade Jr or Luis Gonzalez can earn some playing time, if Joey Bart can build off his solid finish to last season, etc.
They can always swing a trade for an impact bat at the deadline if that’s the missing piece, and if they’re out of the playoff race they can sell some pieces and throw money at the 2023 free agent class
As of today it looks like we will see.
LF – Wade or Joc
CF – Yaz Jr
RF – Haniger
3B – Crawford
SS – Correa
2B – Estrada
1B – Davis
C – Bart
I don’t think the Giants are done. There are reasonably priced upgrades to be had out there on FA market and in trade.
That lineup doesn’t scare many teams
web, I don’t think Pederson plays D this year and Flores will be primary first baseman. Davis’ D is suspect. I believe Pederson/Davis platoon at DH (you left out DH). And Slater/Wade platoon in RF. So haniger Yaz slater/Wade Crawford Correa Estrada Flores Bart. What do you think web? that’s just position, not order.
Purposely left out DH because I have no idea who will play it. In the press conference announcing his signing, they said that they expected Joc would play in the field. Taking them at their word. He will be the most expensive platoon player in baseball.
I think Haniger will play in RF because that is a huge field in right and he will see some time at DH. Local boy coming home. Born, raised, went to high school and college and still lives in the Bay Area.
Not a bad team. Somehow, I don’t think Farhan is done.
Hahahahaha he doesn’t break any records, his AAV ain’t all that, he’s gonna be an albatross the last 3-5 years of this deal.
He’s actually getting paid what he’s actually worth. Glad nobody capitulated to his ego.
He got his mega contract so, you know, good for him.
Essentially 14 years/$385.1M or $27.5M annually for 14 years, overall. Which is actually what he’s worth.
But this thing will look ugly in about 7 or 8 years, with 5-6 years and $150M or so left on the deal.
Sure but he still got more than Seager/Lindor/Tatis and the 2nd largest free agent contract ever. None of these players get paid what they’re worth. They’ll all look ugly sooner rather than later, even Judge, but I’d argue yes, a team did “capitulate to his ego.” Just glad it wasn’t the Dodgers
How could this go south? He’s only being paid full price through his age 41 season. Read that back. This deal is pure garbage.
Are you high? Correa guaranteed himself $350M no matter how you try to spin it. Accept reality for what it really is as that IS his worth along with the risks.
Not through his age 41 season. Only way this was worth it is if it’s front loaded and the Giants are indifferent on the CBT impact.
You keep drumming up these FA contract proposals and structures that are clearly biased towards ownership. They are not grounded in reality and it’s a futile exercise. Not a single contract signed thus far is remotely close to your imagination’s.
How so?
Players want guaranteed money. The only way they take less today is to position themselves to potentially earn more aggregate guaranteed later, like Correa. Your quasi-proposals are primarily short-term and inclusive of their prime years where their greatest values lie. Players aren’t going to sign off on that leaving money off the table for their decline years. They also want to remain in the game as long as possible on their own terms and have all the leverage during contract buyout negotiations. Players like Kershaw and Bauer still in their primes accepting short, big AAV contracts are very rare.
Age 40 season. Use your toes.
Ask the tigers how much fun that is
At least he didn’t go to the mets…
And I thought the Giants/Dodgers rivalry couldn’t get more fun.
Glad he went to a Dodger rival. Now, he can be hated even more and Dodger fans will continue to bang the trash cans when he’s in town. Should be fun. All we need is for the Dodgers to bring back Joe Kelly.
Kelly sucks. Good troll. Not so good pitcher
Great point those will be some loud ass games…if you listen carefully you can already the taunting chants
Surprise… Surprise…
Even Gomer Pyle would’ve known the Giants DESPERATELY needed to pull off a major deal like this.
Mitch Haniger and Ross Stripling was not going to appease the fan base and losing out on Arson Judge put the front office on the hot seat (pun is definitely intended)
This deal makes Boras happy as his pockets get further stuffed, but Correa in SF is not the second coming of the Posey era.
The only thing that this clears up is dousing the “Uncle Stevie adding Correa under the Flushing Christmas Tree storyline” and leaves Swanson still needing a home (is an ATL homecoming in the works?).
Also, now that this shoe has dropped, Rodon is likely soon the follow. The Bombers is a good fit and Boras needs to pay for the office holiday party.
The ownership game in mlb is changing and the tightfisted will be forced to spend or sell. Many will be calling their investment bankers in the new year.
Ugh, don’t introduce baseball to any middle eastern oil tycoons
Honestly, it’s only a matter of time. Baseball will go the way of FIFA.
Does this sound like desperation? And what does this mean for Dansby? If he was upset about not making as much as younger players with the Braves… How’s this going to play with teams offering him contracts? I like him but 8 to 13 years?
Swanson has the least accomplished bat out of the four, although arguably the best glove. I think he gets the smallest contract out of the four. Not necessarily bad given what the other 3 got. He’s had two of his best offensive seasons in his last two years but his upside is lower than the other 3.
Should make the Dodger-Giant rivalry more interesting. Does the trash can come with Correa?
Not worth it. Then again, no player is worth these insane huge, long term contracts.
Harper and Pujols were. They brought in a lot of revenue. Harpers bat worth it. Machado is working out. Both Arods were good. The 1st fantastic. Nolan is looking fine.
This deal only makes sense if the Giants are signing or trading for another star.
How so?
ROFL
Best arm at SS in baseball, new rules with the shift, he will pay dividends.
Crawford to 3B.
Expect another power type bat coming. Giants aren’t finished yet.
Stripling signing was slick.
Manea will like Oracle Park.
Haniger class act.
Pederson versus RH pitching one of the best.
Haniger and Correa both on the bench with injuries for most of the season. Bank it!
Except these are all mediocre players! Where’s the elite star? You are a supreme optimist my friend. 90 wins at best.
90 wins is a playoff team.
I think the Padres, Dodgers, Mets, Phillies and Atlanta (teams not listed in particular order) will all win 91 or more. So, if the Giants do win 90 games, they still could miss the 3rd WC.
Elite players…ask the Dodgers who got
Mookie
Trea Turner
Freddie Freeman
Bauer
Scherzer
$$$$$$
Haniger and Stripling were smart signings
Pederson and Correa were overpays – the question is who were the Giants bidding against who would have gone over $300 million, rather pay $300 million/10 years than $350 million/13 years
Manaea will be a bust
Dodgers fans will hate this signing for next five years and love it for the eight years thereafter
4 teams went $300 million or more and two of those went $330 million. The Giants offered this amount of dollars back at the Winter Meetings. They just had to convince Correa to allow them the years to bring the AAV own to where they can add other star players.
Dodger fans will hate this deal for as long as Correa is a Giant because Dodger fans hate the Giants.
Dodger fans will hate this deal for five or six years when Correa provide surplus value to his contract, but Dodgers fans will enjoy the last seven or eight years when this contract is a burden to the Giants. Expect the same for last three-four years of the deals for Trea and Bogaerts.
“Manaea will be a bust.”
In the Hall of Fame?
Nope, but good one.
Best arm? Tatis and a few others beg to differ, according to statcast……lol
Doesn’t O’Neil Cruz hold that distinction now?
Shortstops with the highest max arm strength, 2022
1. Oneil Cruz (Pirates): 97.9 mph
2. Geraldo Perdomo (D-backs): 96.7 mph
3. Ha-Seong Kim (Padres): 95.2 mph
4. Carlos Correa (Twins): 95.0 mph
5. Didi Gregorius (free agent): 94.7 mph
Nice! Dodgers-Giants rivalry about to get even more heated hahahahaha. I like it!
Exactly! Fun! When Correa is at the plate the fans can hold up signs with asterisks!
Asterisks? Why do so many people think the 2020 60game Dodgers didn’t earn their title? Everyone had an even playing field. Oh, by the way, everyone had access to the replay monitors in the clubhouses. They all stole signs. The Astros just used a lame way to relay them.
All of 2020 is a giant asterisk now and forevermore. An aberration that should never have happened. The COVID Tournament of Champions.
Correa wanted $350 because it’s more than Lindor or any other SS got. Took him 13 years but he got it.
$350 mil for a dude who has never had a 30/100 season. Wow. Giants are…special.
13 years deals are so silly.
UNBELIEVABLE! Farhan got desperate after missing out on multiple free agents they missed?
Naw. This kind of contract if fairly standard this off-season.
Giants now acting like the girl whos been rejected by a number of suitors and then she decides to marry the uber driver. Uhhhhh….
Correa at age 40 for Giants ?!?!
A 1B men or dh
Vive
Misogynistic and classist.
Self-identified incels have used the internet to find anonymous support.
Try again champ. Correa is one of the top free agents in this year’s class. This deal should not be surprising.
What does that comparison even mean?
Sadly, I’m never that Uber driver
This will end up being the worst contract ever, I guarantee it
Not the worst ever, not compared with Miguel Cabrera’s, regardless that it is still in force.
Son allowed dad’s Cabrera deal to ruin the Tiger franchise. That alone makes it the worst ever.
Miggy was bad. Not as bad as Ellsberry. That was just so obvious non sustainable production. Even worse the Sale extension. Obvious TJ surgery was coming. Strasburg Rendon awful.
Very hard to beat Chris Davis’s contract. Him, Kawhi Leonard, and John Wall are tied for the biggest bums in sports
These long term deals are ridiculous. SF has to win another WS to make this deal good. They’re going to have to eat at least a few bad years on this contract to get out from it. Correa isn’t a big draw either. I think this is the worst FA deal this winter.
the man bet on himself and won. grab the bag while you can
dude sold him self short. in 13 years top players will be making 75mil
That came out of Left Field. I guess the Giants were hell bent on landing a big name player this winter regardless of who it was.
Rsox — “Out of left field?” Not at all. From all the pundits, the two position players the Giants wanted from the start were Judge and Correa. They got one of them.
Giants were only ever in on two big name guys and they have been in on both since the beginning of the offseason.
Judge decided to go back to the only organization he has ever played for and finish his career there instead of taking the same money to go to the Giants.
Correa signed with the Giants
It really didn’t come out of left field. You just weren’t paying attention. They met with him at the winter meetings.
This has to be the worst contract given out so far this offseason.
That award goes to Xander Bogaerts and the San Diego Padres
Yep at least the Giants didn’t pay for shift defense and fenway hitting.
Padres paid for no shift hitting and defense with Machado flanking him on the left side of the infield instead of Devers.
They will get their money’s worth and more for at least the next 5-6 seasons.
Neither of those increase his value. Shift isn’t going to help right hand hitters. Instead of playing directly behind 2b they will play 1 foot or 1 inch to the right of it.
It will help Bogaerts in 11% of his at bats. At bats where an extreme shift was used against him, he put the ball in play, and he hit it less than 220 ft. 2nd most of all RHB. About 8 more hits.
Doesn’t sound like much but that would have moved his BA to .320 last season.
Somebody owes me a turkey sandwich!
(And if Swanson signs before Jan. 1st, I want cranberry sauce too.)
Very nice get for the Giants here. Best in class SS. Way too many years again but whatever, that seems to be the thing now.
Suppose this means Swanson to Cubs. Anyone read the report about the Braves entertaining offers on Fried? Check out Bleacher Report and MLB.com. Would be hilarious if Cohen signs Swanson just to mess with them but seriously, he would have no home there. I kid, I kid. But the dudes who gave me crap about the Mets rotation may want to hold their collective breath that this is a nothing rumor covered by two of the most reputable sites around.
I’m not too sure this means Swanson to the Cubs. A 10+ commitment is really stupid. If they do it that’s out of desperation
Do not disagree but the SS market is running out of suitors. Cubbies need a splash. Dodgers seen content to stay under the tax this year and reset. BoSox are a mess. I guess Preller may throw away more cash but really, who is left? Rumors swirling about Fried being traded so unless a total smoke screen that fooled BR and MLB.com I think they are out too. Not many takers left for the career year guy. Again, sort of joking but almost think Cohen may send an order just to be a thorn here. Otherwise I say Cubs or a short term deal a la Correa last year
Yea, I 100% agree with what you’re saying. “Cubbies need a splash” gets my thumbs up
These ridiculous contracts make me think of Dr Evil saying “one million dollars”. At this point I’d prefer him signing with the Twins. You’re ruining baseball.
Paying him, until he’s 40.. that’s wonderful.
In all honesty, I hate this deal but I would love it had my team made it. Twins miss out on their White Whale but they got to take him to the prom for one season, too bad the night didn’t end with Correa wanting more! Twins never put out.
A+ for the twins. Can’t believe nobody would beat that contract. Once they had them they put a solid effort into taking advantage of that 1 magical opportunity.
Inflation definitely affecting the mlb salaries.
Not a terrible deal almost fair considering aav, big market, and the hope it actually might bring this franchise of enticing future big names. At least the Giants now have 1 player that can be expected to be in the lineup essentially everyday if healthy.
Big names will flock to SF to play with the cheater who knocked them out of the playoffs.
So in 5 years we will be looking at this as one of the worst signings in Giants history. I would of rathered sign swansby for 4 years and JD on 1 year maybe 2. Must be desperate for a medicore talent. Should of just signed Turner and Rodon and said heck with it
Pickle_Britches — Takes two to tango. Or as the Stones would say, “You can’t always get what you want.”
Pickle
So, you think this is a bad dill?
Manny, SF seems to think it’s pretty kosher.
4 years 200 million for swansby?
10/200 for Swanson.
If the Dodgers get him DreamGM I will be referring to him as Swansby from now on. If they don’t, I will still be reffering to him as Swansby from now on.
13? Who ever thought to make a deal that long. Farhan pulled his pants down
My favorite part of these terrible contracts are the people intoxicated with copium explaining that it’s really not that bad because in 10 years there will be worse contracts. Would have been funny to see the mets land him though.
You are spot on. The apologists are delusional. The market will not keep going on. In fact, this oncoming recession will make it go just the opposite. Either way, this will not age well. It is literally impossible. Time cannot be beat and that is the driving force.
But by all means, convince yourselves this is a good deal. Correa could easily struggle to hit 10 homeruns in this park.
If you mean that in a single season, Correa could hit 9 HRs at Oracle and 12 on the road, yes that seems reasonable.
Spin it however you want. He still will struggle to hit 20 HR’s in a season playing half the games in that park. Average power at best. Decent OBP, but not great. Plus, he’s slow. That’s now…in his prime. SF is locked into that for 13 years!
“Whew” said the Cubs and the Twins, that was a close one.
Boom. Farhan caught a big fish. Really could care less about the spend or years. Not my money.
Just glad to be in competition. All signings / non signings this off season work for me. Still room for another bat.
Let’s Go !
The market will continue to go up. The AAV of this contract will be nothing in 5-6 years, forget about year 10-13. In 13 years, 26.9 million will be a signing bonus for draft picks.
Laughable contracts being handed out this year
Ohtani is turgid 2nite.
It was going to take at least 10/325 to sign him. Essentially all the Giants did was asd 3/25 to lower the AAV and most importantly – get it done.
I’d certainly rather have Correa than Seager. Correa is a plus, plus defender and Seager is an average fielder at best. Seager signed for 10/325, so the Giants went just 3/25 beyond that.
2023 will be Correa’s age 28 season. If the Giants get 7 or 8 very good years out of Correa they’ll be happy.
It’s not nearly as sexy as a Judge signing, but the Giants would have had to go to at least 10/400 to get Judge and Correa is way younger and will possibly age better.
All the mega ss deals are bad. Correa is better than most of them.
Clearly a desperate move on the part of the Giants who watched every big free agent pass on their team. Disgusting overpay. They better be getting 2-3 more huge impact bats because at the moment, Correa is getting walked 4 times a game. Rest of their lineup is no better than a highschool squad
Well, with Joc and Mitch after him, the Giants have more punch than you give them credit. And Villar and Yaz. This could be a very dangerous lineup. I just want to know who leads off.
Better than what Milwaukee says maybe not as optimistic as Pete though.
Off-season isn’t over yet. Pitching is more important.
For 350 I want a bigger star that isn’t hated and has more power.
That Arson guy!
That Arson guy even though older would sell a lot more tickets than Correa. Probably would have brought in 60 million in the first 1 to 2 years.
Well then, keep looking.
So Aaron Judge’s hypothetical 14yr/400 million contract wouldn’t have been approved,but this deal will? Someone explain, Judge’s deal would have been for 1 more year and $50 million dollars more.
There is a 3.5 years age gap between Judge and Correa. Judge’s hypo deal would’ve taken him though his age 44 season. No one can conceivably believe that he can still hit 50 homers then, maybe 10-15 with 350 K’s.
Thanks for the reply, that makes better sense
A buzzer went off and it was time for Giants to put a lid on the negotiation. Many will talk trash can Correa prove them wrong? This signing was a steal. Two thumbs up. I mean fingers.
I hope you aren’t a Brewers fan talking trash? If it weren’t for Bellinger, Yellich would be the largest recipient of the sign stealing era.
I’m not. I brew beer
1st base coach, years 10-13
72 yrs old and as much as I love baseball I hope the whole league goes bankrupt. . Common sense is out the window Hope this guy gets hurt in spring training. .
Don’t you like seeing players on the same team for long periods of time? I prefer that to the 90s and 00s where most star players changed teams every other year.
Wishing injury on a stranger. Aren’t you a beautiful person.
I don’t wish injuries to any of these guys. I do wish for them to strike out with the game on the line.
I feel bad for your grandkids !
A little bit of insight. The number was hammered out at the Winter Meetings. 4 teams offered close to that much. The hang up was pride.
After getting four other teams that offered over $300 million, two of which that offered 10/330, Correa wanted 10/350 so he could have the highest AAV by an infielder. The Giants offered 14 years so they could have an AAV that gave them the flexibility to sign other players this offseason while staying under the CBT threshold. After this signing, the Giants are right at $200 million towards the CBT.
In the end Correa agreed to take the most money ever for an infielder. Only Trout, Judge, and Betts have received larger contracts.
More to come from the Giants.
In San Francisco the hang up seems to often be Pride
Jane Austen wants to know if your post is Pride or Prejudice?
So many people on here keep saying these contracts aren’t going to age well but it’s not true. Teams are getting superstar caliber players for 25-27 million a year because they’re giving them longer contracts. By the time these guys hit their decline phase you’re going to see players with half their talent making the same amount of money. The way baseball salaries inflate you can’t look at that 27 million a year in 2030 the same way you see it in 2023. It’s ridiculous money but that’s all sports contracts anymore. If you want to blame anybody for athletes making what they do, blame us. Without fans, networks aren’t clamoring for tv ratings and giving billion dollar contracts to broadcast games. We have seen baseball with no fans in the stadium. If that were permanent the game wouldn’t last.
Bingo Joe, when Correa is 40 , FA top shortstops will be paid 50 mill AAV
Absolutely. As a Padres fan, I’m only looking at the next 5-6 years for Bogaerts, not years 7-11. By the time you hit those years, it won’t look like such a bad deal.
I commented on other post that he would get $341.1 million and somebody responded blah blah… he won’t because of negative reputation or some other bs
Over 13 years, he gets $20 million more than Bryce Harper, though he does not hit as well as Harper. Premium defensive position, though.
Inflation
lolGiants
As if Dodger fans didn’t have have enough reasons already to dislike the giants…
I know its not the best value for a guy but the Giants really need solid guys like this on the roster if they want to attract future free agents
Offering the most money will attract free agents. What superstar made Correa choose the giants?
Farhan Zaid: Hey Pete, you know that money we offered Aaron Judge? Let’s just give most of it to Carlos Correa instead.
Pete Putila: Great idea Boss!
Cano, Hosmer, Corbin, Strasburg, Heyward, Chris Davis, Miggy, Pujols.
Of the hugh deals this offseason:
1 out of 3 of these BIG contracts will be an albatros to the team towards the end of the deal. Some of the really long ones will be more of ‘at the middle’ of the contract.
Don’t give me the “if they win a world series title, it’ll be worth it”. BUt then the last few years of the contract fans will be wishing they would retire early…
Ya, Pujols had a resurgence this past year, but his last 5 years were: not good to bad.
Only 1 out of 3? I say 2.7 out of 3.
hoof, none of your examples played SS. 4 are firstbasemen who playfirst cuz often times don’t pan out at other positions. Pujols Davis Cabrera started as 3rd basemen. The best player on a baseball team starting from little league plays SS. They are way more valuable. Few people ripped the Padres for giving Tatis that big contract. Hindsight, always 20 20, can be critical of that deal because of injury/PED bust but it was still worth it
Correa in 8 seasons:
2 All-Star appearances
1 top 15 MVP vote
As per the norm, the Twins said they tried, but did they really? Did anyone think 10-285 would get him? I said to some friends about a half hour before he signed it would be a 12-370 deal. The Twins need owners like the Padres who will spend!
You should be happy. Remember how much of an albatross mauer was for a few years? This is worse and much longer. I lived through all that. Not again man. Correa is slow and will have slow reflexes to match by age 32-33.
I just hope they aren’t stupid enough to spend money on Dansby. His strikeout #s are terrifying. We have enough of that already
Surprised twins offered him 285. I would be happy as a fan. That’s some serious money. If my team gave him 350 I would no longer be a fan. Horrible contract and twins are much better off passing on him.
I totally agree. I was all for a 7 year deal…but that was my max. And that I feel was stretching it. He is already slow. How much incentive will he have now to stay in peak shape? Everything about it feels gross. More power to him though… take the money and run. But as a baseball fan in general. I don’t like this. I don’t see how this doesn’t hurt the game. Everybody is saying the average AAV’s will be much higher in five years. That’s misleading. The average player will have a higher AAV yes, but not these so-called stars. It just can’t age well. No matter how you spin it.
Twins ownership made it’s money taking, not giving away. Think you can break that habit?
Simply put, no. That habit will not be broken. Unless they started regulating and forcing cheap owners to spend. At that point I’m sure the Pohlad’s would sell. A guy can dream
Heyman is the source of that rumor. Has he gotten anything correct this offseason?
Giants better invest in louder trash cans.
Overall a better deal than Judges for actual return.
Both are awful. Bet more Giants fans would rather have Judge and would have bought more tickets to see him.
The owners are out of control and in 6 years these large contracts will start weighing down many of these teams. It has to stop! Need a HARD CAP just like all the other leagues & a cap on the length of years of a contract, just like the other leagues. So many teams just can’t compete in this environment and its really bad for the game!
Owners can do whatever they want. They know the history of these contracts.
I agree, it’s becoming more like soccer. Half the league is irrelevant and act as minor league teams to the big clubs
That is exactly what is happening. Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, Padres, Red Sox, and they will need to have a Chicago team figure it out. Those will be the core six super teams. Atlanta and Houston will be in there initially until their talent fades.out. The Premiere League composed of 8 teams. Then the second and third division composed of 11 teams each. Each year 2 teams are relegated out of each league. I’d rather have that setup than we have now. At least then we could root for something…no matter your team. With this lack of parity…it only makes sense. Either that or regulate the league. Hard top and bottom caps. Then the ultra rich owners cannot ruin baseball by being themselves, and the super tight owners of the small market teams cannot pocket all the profits and run.
if all goes well, in less than 13 years, he’ll wish he hadn’t signed for so long.
I give it 7 years. These massive long deals is why I think opt outs are good. I wouldn’t want to go through 6-8 years of winning seasons and then for whatever reason the team owner pulls a Florida Marlins and has a fire sale and they start from scratch
If he’s making 30m a year why would winning or losing even matter? If they don’t make the playoffs that means less time having to work
As a Dodgers fan, i love this deal and those years!
Poster boy for Ahole cheaters is right where he belongs.
Too funny, everyone giving the Padres crap for signing Bogaerts into his 41 year old year, yet lots of people OK with this. Bogaerts even had a better WAR than Correa this year, and is 2 years older. Side note, I think both contracts are ridiculous…….
At first blush you have to wonder is this another S.B.F. money laundering scheme ? Then you shake yourself because this is baseball, and they ain’t there, yet ? 27 million a year, and you realize Correa caught a whale. I read the article, and seen his stat’s, but Detroit played Minnesota a lot last year, and he did not stand out, to this degree of a future contract.
Minnesota I think dodged a bullet, and S.F has their new Posey. West coast it seems is where baseball players go to retire from public view. Trout, Ohtani, think what they would be on the East coast. S.F got a guy, so they are happy.
@MPrck: As you’re probably aware, there’s absolutely no comparing Correa to Posey, and one would think the Giants and their “genius” Zaidi are at least smart enough to know that too (although this signing strongly suggests otherwise).
I thought the NL East was going to have all the fun. Wake the hell up dodgers!
The Dodgers focus is always the regular season, they don’t feel compelled to win the offseason. Or the post season for that matter.
Normal Boras, twins were never in it.
Hopefully the giant like overpaying for a baby who blames all his issues on other players.
This will make Robbie cano’s deal like a good move in comparison. West coast overpay for a year or two of replacement level performance.
So a Bo Bichette when he’s FA will be asking 13/450-500
2026
Not likely. 2B typically don’t get that kind of money and Bichette is not going to be a SS long.
My on(y comment Ihat MLB Network isn’t covering thus big news even having an updated MKB Tonight with it,
Yes terrible coverage. Shame on them
This seals it. Boras is a hypnotist.
He’s Denzel in Training Day except he lives on.
Or maybe Ricky Roma in “Glengarry Glen Ross.”
Ployed: One of the best movies of all time. The desperation you see in those salesmen sticks with ya. It’s about time I rewatch it. Not another Patel !
“All I need is one dumb owner”
-Scott Boras
Like all the clubs handing out these ultra-long deals, the Giants are banking on value for the first half or (maybe) the first two-thirds of the contract. After that they know the deal will be an albatross but they’ll take the hit. It’s just the business now for top free agents.
Lucky Giants. Correa is an exciting player. I wish the Twins had been contenders.
If I am Ohtani, I am thinking:
tell me what Correa and Rodon received, add the two sums together, and that should be your opening offer to me!
Wow, what a long contract. I think the Cubs and Twins dodged a bullet. I understand why SF felt they had to get him. I’m curious as to his injury history and if he’ll be able to give the Giants consistently 140+ games per year during the entirety of the 13yrs? Will be interesting to watch. Mahalo
Atlanta’s acquisition of Murphy seems really smart right now.
Zaidi’s been trying s0 hard to dispel the notion that he’s a baseball genius, and he’s finally succeeded. Crawford can outperform Correa defensively, so all the Giants are really adding is a modest bit of ridiculously overpriced offense at a position occupied by their best player. For teams such as the Dodgers that need a shortstop, Correa’s a good signing (although Swanson’s a better choice). For the Giants, Correa’s a $350 million blunder.
I don’t even hate Scott boras anymore.
Teams: Do any of your deals actually pay off?
Boras: Heck no but you morons keep giving me more money!
Giants: the brinks truck is on the way!
Boras: cool, enjoy 4 years of replacement level value and nine years of financial burden!
I say sit back and enjoy the show! If your team isn’t trying that’s a shame. Maybe a relegation system needs to take place…I know not a chance but one can only dream
Even as a Giants fan I like the Turner deal a little better than this one, that being said if Bogaerts got 11 years and $280M this deal seems like a bargain.
Turner is the #1 and Correa was #2
Correa will be 51 years when his Giant contract is over.
He had a contract that he turned down for $35M for an annual contract at $27K
He’ll be 41 in 13 years, MDW.
Not in baseball player years
Correa will be in his age 40 season the last year of this contract. He turned down $70 million for $350 million. Math is really hard for you, isnt it?
Why be nasty about it? Maybe he accidentally typed a 5 instead of a 4.
He said, “when his Giant contract is over,” not “when he starts his last season of the contract.”
Correa was born on September 22, 1994, so he’ll turn 41 in September of the final year of the contract.
If he wanted less money he wouldn’t have signed 1 year with twins. He wanted that 300 million.
All I can say is, Boras had better send Steve Cohen a BIG Hanukkah present.
Perhaps a Megalodon
institutionalinvestor.com/article/b150nt384kmck6/s…
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_(Koons)
Suddenly Steve’s offseason so far looks rather thrifty.
Boras is the greatest song and dance man in sports.
As much as I don’t like Correa the guy is a Star player when he plays, specially in the playoffs
He made sure to only be a star in his walk year
Last year was his third best season.
He’s going to benefit from the stat inflation in the NL West. There’s like 2 good pitchers in the division now that Rodón is a free-agent, Walker Buehler’s elbow is hamburger meat, and Clayton Kershaw is such an old 34 that the AARP would allow him to become a member.
The central divisions are the weakest in MLB but sure the NL West is a cakewalk cool story bro
In 2022, Kershaw had an era of 2.28 and a whip of 0.94. When Kershaw is not on the IL, he is one of the top pitchers during the regular season. Plus, there is Urias, Gonsolin, Zac Gallen, Darvish and Musgrove.
What ever you say! Congrats on getting muted.
Ohhh nooo you’re gonna mute someone. Why even post?
Jimbo, you must not be familiar with how the mute feature works. I see your notifications but I can no longer see any of your posts. You’re just screaming into a void when you reply to my comments. Feel free to mute me too! I’ll never even know!
Doesn’t seem to work then. Further more I don’t go crying away when someone else’s opinion doesn’t echo my own.
youtube.com/watch?v=KjYEJ8XSXto&t
Cheating interview
We all know how well 41 year old everyday players are. Jeez.
Ya. Focus on 13 years from now instead of the first 7.
I guess its good then that Correa will be retired when his age 41 season comes along. This contract ends after his age 40 season.
Well he ended up signing with my Mets team for 12 years and he will be 40 when it ends. Terrible signing. I’m excited but still just a bad idea.
Uhhhhh Cardinals signed a part-time catcher for 90million so I wouldn’t be bragging a whole lot. That Contreras contract is going to look like doggy doo by mid-season. Overrated x 100. Cardinals should have figured out something for Sean Murphy.
I didn’t say it was worse. It’s just not a smart contract and one that will be regretted. It seems very weird to me that the normally fiscally prudent Mozeliak signed off on it. Not a Cards fan either.
Let’s go! not the hugest fan of the contract but I always thought he was the best shortstop and so did the giants as previously stated publicly. Hopefully Crawford gets the opening day start for the record and then they have a ceremony type thing to hand the reigns over to correa. Would really like to see a Conforto, Gallo type to strengthen the outfield defense and provide some pop in the lineup. Let us not forget the bullpen was a dumpster fire in the second half after a relatively good run over the last year and half leading up to it. There’s some familiar faces that should be available on minor league deals of course. Maybe snag Drury or Meyers depending on their market. I’ve been saying for awhile now extend Webb > Rodon. Offer Harrison a Stryder type extension or something. Move DeSclafani , dfa la Stella. Take on a bad contract from Atlanta move Luciano and get fried and extend him.
Stunt, trade for laureano (luciano is expendable with schmitt on the way, add matos and a pitcher not named Harrison plus a current player to match $ for tax issues), sign Ottavino, Rogers, Reyes or other bullpen arms. I think they’re done with SPs cuz Harrison is on the way this season. Stunt, sf will not want to go over $233 mil IMO so I doubt they’ll want to take on a bad contract. I really believe a trade will happen. That is if Luciano has the trade value he once had.
By all accounts Luciano can play now if you just stick him in the outfield so I’d rather try that. Everyone said he was long shot to stick at short and apparently that’s the case!
Massive overpay on the amount and years but hey it isn’t my money…
I like it better than the Bryant contract for the Rockies! SS are expensive this off-season!
Not upset at all that the Orioles did not listen to the media’s steady insistence for the last year that they should sign him. 13 years at $25mil+ for a guy who will probably have to move off SS to a less valuable position like 2B or 3B by around the halfway point when we don’t even need a SS? No thanks.
It’s also probably for the best for the Twins in the long run that they “lost” the bidding war.
Is MLB going to veto this deal? 13 years to circumvent the CBT’s.
Think about this: A-Rod hit more than double the career total of HRs that Correa currently has through the same point in his respective MLB career. Correa-$350M man, A-Rod circa 2001, $250M man.
Adjusted for inflation, Arod’s deal was worth $420M.
For 10 years. $42 million AAV
Still cheaper than the 9yr/$360M contract offered to Judge.
As it should be. Judge’s rookie season was 2017. Since then, he’s accumulated 36.2 fWAR, #1 in baseball. Correa’s a good player and I’d have welcomed him to the Bronx, but he ranks 16th since 2017 with 23.9 fWAR.
You pay for future results, not past performance. Correa is younger
Well, Steamer projects 6.9 WAR for Judge in 2023 and 5.1 WAR for Correa, and Steamer 600 projects 6.1 WAR for Judge and 4.7 WAR for Correa, so I guess they’re doing that.
And Judge has played 702 games since his 2017 rookie year to Correa’s 636 games, so Judge has been more durable despite being 2 years and 5.5 months older.
Have you ever wondered why there is never an article showing how projections like STEAMER prove out at the end of the season?
Maybe it’s because they are very bad. Ever heard a team mention Steamer projections? Me neither.
I agree with you on that, surfer. The fact that they scrub the previous years’ STEAMER projections instead of archiving them for comparison always struck me as a specimen diffidence verging on intellectual dishonesty.
I’m pretty confident anyway that the front offices use their own proprietary calculations to project future value.
typo: meant to type “a specimen of diffidence.”
fWAR uses UZR for defense. UZR is not accurate at all since it doesn’t account for shifts. Use rWAR or don’t use WAR at all.
baseball-reference.com/players/j/judgeaa01.shtml
baseball-reference.com/players/c/correca01.shtml
Judge 5.3 average WAR and Correa 4.9 average WAR for their careers.
Judge is making $40 million AAV and Correa is making $27
rWAR (or bWAR) uses DRS, which has its own flaws, chief among them being that it’s graded by humans watching video of plays on a computer screen, hence the presence of subjective errors and bias has to be assumed. So saying “Use rWAR or don’t use WAR at all” is itself biased, unwarranted and, frankly, pretty overbearing. Someone said jokingly that the way to choose a version of WAR is to pick the one that supports your biases — and there’s some truth spoken in jest there.
One could also use SABR’s metric, WARP, which uses Fielding Runs Above Average as the defensive component of the calculation.
In 2022, Judge was credited with 10.4 WARP to Correa’s 3.5.
In fact, when MLB was negotiating the new CBA, the league suggested using fWAR to determine player salaries.
Additionally, the shift is going to be eliminated from the infield next year.
The Tigers offered 10 years 175M last year.
If they had bumped their offer to 12 years 300M or 310M (last year)
then Correa would be a Tiger right now.
275m
Dude be honest that’s not a bump it’s double damn near. Out of Detroit comfort zone.
Tomorrow there will be an article saying the Padres offered more.
Yep. Probably 15/450.
Good work Giants. Thank you.
Welcome Carlos !
At some point, if this continues, there will be a year, maybe about 2028, when every roster will be completely filled with players on ridiculous multi-year contracts. It will be like walking onto the executive floor of a corporate office. A bunch of old men (by baseball standards) being paid for what they’ve done in the past.
Unreal. Don’t people learn after the Albert contract? This will be good for 6, maybe 7 years then it will be an anchor
Don’t people learn after the Albert contract? This will be good for 6, maybe 7 years then it will be an anchor
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That’s really the difference. IMHO, you need to have as many positive years as negative years. Pujols only figured to have two good years, followed by 8 declining years. Correa should far out-perform his contract for maybe 6 years.
And the 7 declining years probably includes 3 that are baked into the low AAV.
Puhols wasn’t good for 6 or 7 of those years.
Everyone said Pujols was done when he was 40, 41, and he finally hit .270 in his final year as a 42 year old. When Correa and Bogaerts end their contracts, let’s see if any of the two of them do as well or come close to what Pujols hit in his ages 37-42..
I don’t have a crystal ball like some people in society seem to have these days, so much so they can tell the future about all manner of things, even things that don’t have humans involved. But as far as I am concerned I don’t believe when these contracts reach their latter stages these two won’t hit as well as Pujols did in the same part of the end of his contract/playing career in baseball.
Maybe if they use an illegal bat
Yeah, but what about players like Miggy, Cano, Votto? All are still getting paid big money, but limping to the finish line.
Pujols was decent this year at one thing, hitting lefties. Other than that he brought no value to the table.
@ Hammerin’ Hank You can paint it any way you like, he still hit .223 v RH pitching, .20 below league average and still produced 11 HR and 38 rbi with a .747 OPS from that side. To assert he “brought NO value to the table is nonsense. The point I was making is these shortstops won’t be close to Pujols at the same age, but let’s see, I doubt they’ll prove me wrong.
$350 million for Carlos Correa lol Glad it wasn’t the Yankees
Not yet it isn’t. In a couple of years the Yanks will take the huge contract off their hands.
Lol. You guys have three terrible contracts that likely will be worse than this one, on top of the many over the years the Yankees have given out.
Yeah like that team-friendly Stanton deal lol!
Argument can be had that if judge wasn’t a yankee last season and had the season he had offensively. They would have benefitted more from correa than judge just as the giants. Volpe ,Peraza etc. are not guaranteed just as Luciano is not.
Imagine baseball in 10 years when we get to see all of these 40 year olds making over 30 million a year trying to chase down fly balls and clogging DH spots.
A top ten market signs a star player.
FINALLY.
How refreshing.
Ok Twins, make Rodon happen now.
Albert Pujols comes to mind.
That will buy plenty of trash cans , spotters, buzzers and transmitters. See kids cheaters do prosper , forget school and find your path through lies and deceit
You act like it wasn’t a league wide issue. Baseball has a rich history of players/teams bending the rules.
It wasn’t a league wide issue. It was an Astros issue .
That’s false. The Astros weren’t the first team to use it (Yankees brought it to Houston via Beltran) and they weren’t the last team to use it (they stopped at the beginning of the 2018 season).
No, it was a league-wide issue. And you simple-minded people just can’t let it go. Come up with some new material, will ya? The trash can jokes aren’t amusing except to yourselves.
Insane amount of money and years, not that he doesn’t deserve this, but it’s crazy to think baseball contracts have gotten to this point. What’s next? 20 year deals? Lol I mean unbelievable
So MLB would have voided Judge on 14yr deal with SD but this is allowable?
If he shoots enough three-pointers and scores enough touchdowns without having the referees interfere, he won’t be flagged for three second violations in the paint, which will be better for the Giants because our goalkeeper is no spring chicken. We just need to build more players around our best safety and linebackers to support the steals and icing calls . Great signing! We will definitely win the super series.
so glad the giants did this because 1. now it’s way more fun to root against them 2. we get to watch the inevitable crash and burn after a few years and the panic when the giants realize they are stuck with dead weight for years to come.
Ha ha. Good for you.
The economy of this deal:
$350/7 = $50. That’s the AAV that Correa and the Giants think is fair…. Space it out over 13 years to bring down the AAV and avoid spending even more within the luxury tax framework.
It’s not ‘insane’ or ‘stupid’ to give 13 years, it’s simply cost effective. Nobody really cares what they get from Correa after the peak 7 years is up, since nobody expects an elite product at that point. If he ages well and is productive that’s just icing on the cake.
The cost is the cost. If you don’t like it go stimulate yourself on how the Rays do business. But given what Scherzer and Verlander are worth per year, plus Correa’s contract last year, an AAV of $50/yr for 7 years for a free agent stud shortstop seems about right to me.
… how the Rays and Red Sox do business, unfortunately, Oppo.
The Giants will still have to field a team those last six years. Do you think the tigers regret giving Cabrera all those years, or would they have preferred to condense it?
Probably worse than the Chris Davis contract. Correa isn’t even worth 7 years, let alone double that. Laughable but Giants fans must feel worse
Come on, Correa is a far more talented player than the one-dimensional Chris Davis ever was.
You can’t be serious. Correa plays a premium position. Chris Davis did not.
Wow! As I said in another thread, there is going to be a lot of old geezers on the field in 8 to 10 years from now with all these long-term contracts. I guess this is the result of the change to universal DH. Now you can have 40+ year old players on your roster just going up to hit once every 3 or 4 times a game.
No they are getting cut and getting paid like Bonilla.
Just like Miguel Cabrera right now
U know its gotten crazy when the Dodgers are staying out of the shopping
The Dodgers are saving money for Ohtani next year. They will either trade for him this year and extend him, or sign him from FA. Other superstar FA’s at that time (barring extensions): Devers, Machado.
Lol so dumb
I hope the Giants put a “no massage” clause in the contract – dangerous. This is a great deal for Correa, not the Giants.
Huge overpay that seems like a desperation move for the Giants. If the Twins offered 285 mil over 10 and the Giants offer 350-360, they must have been receiving reports that he was getting massive offers elsewhere that were close to 350. The AAVA isnt terrible for the Giants considering the money that they have to spend. If they can build up a winning roster around him within 2 yrs then I think it’ snot terrible for them. His glove is great and will transition to third fine, and then to first. His bat plays well as he has always had a good eye at the plate. His HR and counting stats will be down in that park/lineup, but as someone said earlier “a run saved is as valuable as a run scored”. He saves runs and creates runs, which is why he is so valuable. A jack of all trades sort of. I personally am not a fan of him, but can see the value in him…. still an overpay but due to the length of the contract the AAV isn’t terrible. They will be players for Ohtani next year and others in the huge FA class. Giants will be a winning team again soon (107 two seasons ago was a fluke/anomaly).
It’s like the housing market people overpaying
I’m not a Correa fan, but this is a pretty good signing. IMO, this translates to a $350M/10 contract. Based on what’s been given out over the past twp weeks, $35M per to age 37 is pretty reasonable.
But more importantly, Correa is a perfect fit. He might be a 4-5 win upgrade at SS. If they re-sign Rodon, they are roughly even with SD. But even without Rodon, their remaining $32M of cap money can add another good hitter or BP piece.
No way is this a good deal for SF. It’s a fantastic deal for Correa.. His .836 lifetime OPS is solid, but he just doesn’t play enough for me.
LOL.
The Giants and fans are NOT bitter about Judge. This is about selling tickets and merchandise. Its driven by ownership.
The Giants don’t have any payroll committed past 2025. They are a big market team. So, this is an extremely affordable deal.
The Giants also have a real-estate and media empire worth as much as the baseball team, if not more.
All of you who are thinking they are bitter because they missed out on Judge dont get why they made this deal. It’s about putting a star on a banner, baseball is secondary.
Proud of you Carlos hope you’re ready to produce for my fantasy team again next year
Holy OVERpay Batman!!!
Have fun paying California income taxes dummy.
News report San Fran has cornered the market on trash cans………..
Once a cheat always a cheat.
Adding on last year’s contract and his gamble paid off handsomely. 14/385 is considerably better than Seager got
The dichotomy of Bay Area baseball; Giants spending money in a ridiculous fashion while the A’s are frugal to the appearance of destitution.
It’s now getting to the point that if my team isn’t in the World Series I’m hoping a mid to small payroll team is and I’m pulling for them!
Wow. I had a feeling he’d sign with SF, but that contract is crazy. Best of luck to him.
Go look at Correa’s playoff stats vs any other shortstop or for that matter anyone else. As a Stros fan I’m really glad we have Jeremy Pena but Correa is one of the premier players in baseball and got paid.
The Giants should pay for what CC did in Houston protected line up and a their Gold Glove First baseman?
As many others have said, I don’t understand the hype surrounding this guy. I feel like he displays good analytics, but it doesn’t translate to the results you’d expect. Boras once again overhyped his man and took advantage of a club desperate to compete within their division.
As far as state taxes are concerned, MN. tax rate is 9.85% while CA. is 13.3%. All said and done, Correa will earn ~23.3m/yr in CA. with a total value of 303.5m over the length of the contract. If he took MN’s offer, he would have made 25.7m/yr with a total value of 256.9m over the length of the contract. Strangely, MN has the fourth highest tax rate behind only CA, HI, and OR. He chose to continue his career for an additional three years for ~47m more pay. To hit free agency at 38 (MN offer), his career may have been over. Now he’s guaranteed 3y x 47m from age 38-41. I would have done the same thing. I can retire at 41 instead of 38 with 47m extra in the bank.
Disregarding the shortened 2020 season Correa has averaged 4.8 WAR a season for his career. To put that in perspective Turner had a career high of 4.9 this year. Seeing some of the comments here shows people either irrationally dis like the Giants or just aren’t very knowledgeable because Correa is quite a bit better overall than Turner and Bogaerts.
WAR is overrated and you know that.
Since Correa is 28 and this is a thirteen-year contract, it takes him to age 41. I find it hard to believe one can be a starting infielder at that age.
My best estimate is the long contract term is a means to lowering the luxury tax impact. I would not be surprised if he is cut sometime during the last three years of the contract. He still gets his money, but $350 million over ten years is $35 million versus $350 over 13 years at $27 million. That $8 million per year may buy one or two more players.
The real question is how long a contract will MLB allow. 14 years for Aaron Judge would have been rejected; 13 years for Correa was accepted. Or is there an upper player age limit?
He won’t be a starting infielder in 2027, likely. Kid has averaged 418 AB’s for his entire career. Finally playing in 150 games for the first time since his 2nd season sure has a lot of people forgetting he’s made of glass.
If you’re a position player in the farm system for these teams that have signed a guy for 10 years at the position you initially signed for, you have to feel like you’re thru with that organization.
13 years? That’s a hell of an albatross to hang on your neck. What’s the deal with these decade long contracts? Not sustainable.
What’s the average home game temp in SF? How’s that translate baseball metrics?
Am I the only one that thinks Correa #1 isn’t that great and #2 this is a mega mega mega overpay and way too long of a contract
Hoo boy. Correa is going to HEAR IT when the Giants visit Dodger Stadium.
Another guy I would’ve enjoyed seeing the Cubs sign, but I can’t argue with them not signing him at “market value” or for 13 years.
This is not a knock on Correa at all because I think he’s a solid player, albeit injury prone. But I can’t really buy into him as an elite level talent in the same conversation as Harper or Trout, or Judge, even. And that’s what this contract reflects, which seems like a bad idea, not just long term, but short term as well. The AAV isn’t terrible, but that’s a huge commitment to a player who has missed more than 50 games in 5 of his 8 MLB seasons. Even if he stays healthy, will he continue to contribute at an above average level for even half of the contract length? Yikes.
If teams are now valuing one WAR at say 11 mil each it seems they’re at, instead of the 8-9 mil before this offseason, this make sense, they just stretched out what would have been an 8 year deal to 13 years to avoid paying 40+ million per year. I understand why teams do that, to some extent, but this is highly likely to be a deal where they’re paying a player that shouldn’t play MLB level baseball anymore by the end of this. The last 5 years might not just under water, but sub replacement or out of baseball level.
You know the guy is a player. If he was on the Dodgers talkin ish to Bellinger on the Astros, we would of loved him.. but he wasn’t and thank good Atre didn’t have the capability to strangle the Angels with this contract.
Hey GM’S!! ALBERT PUJOLS was around top 3 players of all time at the point the Angels signed him. If he didn’t work out, why would any shortstop hold up for decade. Actually how many shortstops don’t get moved? Ozzie Smith? Even Cal got pushed to third by Bordick. Now Crawford by this guy
Once again…. these teams with these 10 + year contracts are absolutely dumb. Correa is a good player but these contacts they are handing out are just flat out ridiculous.
Paying theses players into their early 40’s is great for the player but horrible for the game of baseball.. The quality of play is already lacking, and there are probably 8 franchises that have little to no chance to compete and if they field a nice team by developing players, that window is short before they can’t afford to keep the team together.
Someone on this board please provide the rest of us some concrete facts on any one of these 10+ plus years contracts that will work. Please provide a few examples of how the recent or current contracts that paid players into their 40’s have worked….. I’ll wait for the replies.
It’s for teams to circumvent the luxury tax. Correa and Turner are easily worth 32-35M AAV right now but for sake of avoiding the luxury tax penalty teams are stretching the contracts out for more flexibility. As a Giants fan I’d rather have had it be 350 over 10 because like most I agree the last three years are going to be more or less dead money.
Is Correa the SS , what happens with their all star SS Crawford, trade bait or does Correa play 3b ? If Estrada plays 2b, Correa plays SS who plays 1b? JD Davis ? Who plays 3b ? Flores ? If they need a 3b the Mets can trade them another Met Escobar lol
jvent. Correa will play ss and Crawford plays 3b. Crawford has a no trade clause and he won’t wave it.
No chance they would trade him. This is good for Crawford. Gets to play a bit of third, hit in the bottom 3 and get some well earned days off in his swan song.
Pressure is off. Kick back a little and feel the love, Craw.
Crawford is no longer even close to an All Star. He’ll probably be spending a lot of time on the bench where he now belongs.
Luciano now trade bait ?
Better grab an outfielders glove kid.
Shortstop not really an option for you now. I’m betting on traded.
There have been debates for years if he’d stick there anyways. I’d try him in LF in the minors and see what happens
Still have Ramos, Matos, Brown, and Bishop to compete with but that’s a good thing. I hope one of them can break through soon and contribute.
I’ve more or less given up on Ramos and Bishop to be honest.
3rd place for the next decade confirmed.
He’ll put up good numbers the first 4-5 years and then we will be complaining for the next 8.
Correa played the Twins for fools when he signed that deal last year with the option after one season. He knew he wasn’t going to stay in Minnesota and figured he’d get a better deal if he waited a year. Twins fell fot it.
As it turns out, the Giants fell for it too.
I wouldn’t trust the slimy cheating dog for 13 minutes, much less 13 years. Fools and their money are soon parted.
Here’s the thing, with him, (and other smaller improvements), the Giants have a very good chance of picking up a wild card spot, how much is that worth in terms of fan excitement and revenue?
In that light was this a bad signing? No way.
Ask the Twins?
LOL….douchebag team signs douchebag, Perfect fit.
1am eastern announcement. The Hot Stove never sleeps.
Great get for the Giants. Solidifies the middle of the diamond for the forseeable future at an easily affordable AAV.
Good job Farhan. Are you watching Elias? That is how it’s done.
It’ll be interesting to see who signs Swanson. Swanson is a quality hitter, but I hope the Cubs don’t sign him. Would rather they save the money for next year’s free agency.
I don’t want to work
I want to bang on the drum all day
I don’t want to play
I just want to bang on the drum all day
Thank God that Hinch couldn’t talk his co-cheating dog into coming to the Tigers. SF may get a couple decent seasons out of him before he goes in the tank.
Christopher Russo totally ripped the Giants for this deal.
He rips every 10+ year deal for the most part.
What if I told you that watching WWE growing up has helped me to accurately predict: presidential elections, the timing of media diverting disasters, exactly who would be prisoner swapped for Griner the moment she was arrested, AND Judge to Yankees after the Giants ran up the final price AND Correa to the Giants because they need another Bonds type to be booed by the LA fans and give the Giants, a team who literally followed us to California, a reason to exist again.
It’s all good guy bad guy stuff. It writes itself in comics, WWE, Marvel and DC movies, Real Housewives, Karsnatchians, cable news, and Washington DC.
No way I would touch that if I were twins front office. Go after Swanson, trade Arreaz and prospect for Pablo Lopez and see what Kepler can do with MLB new rules on eliminating the shift. Kepler should definitely prosper from this and help the offense. Length of contracts and dollars are out of control but we have been saying it for years.
Correa needed this… he’s now on a Goody Goody team.. that’s also relevant and has a winning culture. Maybe he might win another championship but he’s already got one. This deal is about him and his legacy nothing else. He’s a above average SS and he’ll be a good third baseman. He’s no Machado he’s no Zander he’s a 250 and 20 hr player who’s never played a full season. He’s got the looks for San Fran but his game is worth 200 mil no more. He got the same $$ as Judge and Harper and Machado. The Giants overpaid for his name. And Boras takes it to the bank.
As a Dodger fan this is GREAT!!! As a SS Correa is just about average and that’s IF he stays healthy. This will be the WORST ever contract in MLB history! Thank you Scott Boras for destroying the Gnats in one signing for the next 13 YRS!!!
Correa is considerably better than average. Since his rookie year he’s put up a 130 wRC+, which means he created 30% more runs than an average hitter. His health is a concern, but when he’s healthy, he’s very good, though not a 5-tool player (he doesn’t have much speed).
Unless injuries keep him off the field, his contract isn’t likely to be anywhere near the worst in history. Statistically, shortstops have among the longest shelf lives of all ballplayers, because they have enough athleticism to move to lower spots on the defensive spectrum as they age. And now the DH is universal.
Your enthusiasm for what you imagine to be a disastrous contract is probably misplaced.
Correa is merely an upgrade over Crawford who is already used up. This contract is under water already before the ink dried on the paper.
I’d say that I’m waiting for the “Marlins were interested in…” article for Carlos Correa, but I kind of already know that the Marlins were probably $300 million short and preferred to give Correa an opt-out after every single one of the 13 years instead of a no-trade.
So Jeremy Peña should have a contract for 20 years and $800m -$1b range.
I like the User name. Correa is about the 12-15th best SS in MLB. That doesn’t scream elite or even close to it. Average at best. There’s a good reason that the Astros let him walk. He was lucky to get the contract he got last year too and he didn’t do anything to improve the chances of his team making the playoffs either.
You know what stat I’d like to see in Baseball Reference? How many times someone went to the IL and how many days on the IL.
Some people are just injury prone more than others.
Had to upvote you for the obvious truth nobody wants to quantify. Carlos Correa is the opposite of Cal Ripkin Jr. Problem is though, MLB doesn’t produce Ripkin type players anymore.
Go to Spotrac.com, Robin. They give the injury history on each player’s personal page, and they also give a seasonal breakdown for the league:
spotrac.com/mlb/san-francisco-giants/carlos-correa…
spotrac.com/mlb/injured-list/2022/cumulative-playe…
Thanks! Didn’t know that.