The Yankees are one of many teams known to be interested in lefty Carlos Rodón, but Jon Heyman of The New York Post reports that they would prefer to limit him to a four- or five-year deal. That might be a problem, since Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that Rodón is looking for at least seven years. Reporter Marino Pepén says the Red Sox are interested, though the extent of interest isn’t clear.
Just a few days ago, it had been reported that Rodón was seeking a six-year deal, but there may be good reasons why he’s upped his ask. The free-agent market has been broadly aggressive, with many of the top free agents going well beyond expectations in terms of contract length.
In recent offseasons, teams have generally cut off guarantees to position players in their age-37 seasons, but Aaron Judge got a nine-year deal taking him through age-39. Trea Turner and Xander Bogaerts each landed 11-year deals that run into their 40s. Brandon Nimmo will be paid through age 38 with the Mets. Pitchers, meanwhile, have struggled to land guarantees beyond their age-36 season (with older veterans like Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander standing as exceptions for obvious reasons), but Jacob deGrom signed through age 39 in Texas. The length of all those deals is generally rooted in lowering the luxury-tax hit, though, and Rodon’s ostensibly new goal of seven-plus years could be a matter of falling in line with that broader market trend.
DeGrom and Rodón are somewhat analogous, though not the exact same. Both are extremely talented pitchers with some injury concerns in recent years. DeGrom is arguably the best pitcher alive when healthy but missed over an entire year from mid-2021 to mid-2022 due to forearm and scapula injuries.
Rodón is much younger, as he will turn 30 years old tomorrow. Injuries limited him to just over 40 combined innings in 2019 and 2020 and the concern was high enough that the White Sox actually non-tendered him after that. There were enough red flags that he had to settle for a one-year, $3MM deal to return to the Sox. He’s been on a straight upward trajectory since.
Rodón tossed 132 2/3 innings in 2021 with a 2.37 ERA and excellent 34.6% strikeout rate. He seemed to run out of gas down the stretch, leaving some lingering health concerns as he returned to free agency. He didn’t get a qualifying offer and had to “settle” for a two-year, $44MM deal with the Giants, though one that gave him a chance to opt-out after the first campaign. He pushed further away from the injury worries by making 31 starts and logging 178 frames with a 2.88 ERA and 33.4% strikeout rate. He made the easy decision to opt out and also reject a qualifying offer from the Giants.
The fact that Rodón is now reasonably seeking a seven-year deal is nothing short of remarkable, given where he was just two years ago. It’s also not surprising that he’s looking to strike while the iron is hot, given the ups and downs he’s had in his career. Still, contracts of this length for free agent pitchers are quite rare. Gerrit Cole got nine years but with a much stronger record of health than Rodón. Prior to that deal, he had made at least 19 starts for seven straight seasons and at least 32 in the previous three. Kenta Maeda got eight years when coming over from Japan, but that was a unique situation. Maeda was going into his age-28 season but had some health concerns, leading the Dodgers to give him a modest $25MM guarantee spread out over eight years but with $10MM in incentives available each year that Maeda could trigger by staying healthy.
There are a handful of aces that have gotten to seven years, including Max Scherzer, David Price, Stephen Strasburg, CC Sabathia and Masahiro Tanaka, the latter of whom was only 25 at the time and is hardly a similar situation. Strasburg had dealt with some injuries but was coming off a World Series MVP performance that pushed his bidding up. The others in that group, similar to Cole, had fairly solid records of health and durability. As great as Rodón has been for the past two seasons, any seven-year deal would generally be rarefied air for a pitcher.
Now, with this offseason’s trend of utilizing longer contracts to tamp down AAV (and, thusly, luxury-tax penalties), it seems more plausible than before that Rodón might indeed command seven-plus years. Initial reports indicated that he was seeking six years with a $30MM+ annual salary. If Rodón and agent Scott Boras are fixated more on the contract’s total than on its length, then spreading that, say, $175-200MM goal out over a period of seven, eight or even nine years would greatly reduce the potential luxury penalties for whichever team signs him. That’s more a concern if he signs with a major-market club that regularly finds itself in luxury peril (e.g. Yankees, Red Sox) than if he were to sign with one of his reported suitors that has never held much of an appetite for the luxury tax (e.g. Twins, Orioles).
The Yankees are clearly willing to spend, as they just gave Judge a record-breaking $360MM guarantee. How much they want to continue spending, however, is an open question. Roster Resource currently pegs the club’s payroll for next season at $250MM with a competitive balance tax figure of $266MM. That already places them beyond last year’s Opening Day payroll of $246MM, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, and beyond the second tier of luxury tax penalization. The tiers begin at $233MM next year and go up in $20MM increments to $293MM. Adding $25-30MM for Rodón would push them near or above that top penalty threshold.
The club doesn’t strictly need an elite starter like Rodón, but he would certainly be an upgrade for any rotation in the game. The Yanks currently have Cole, Luis Severino, Nestor Cortes and Frankie Montas for four spots with solid options for the last spot including Domingo Germán and Clarke Schmidt. That’s a solid group, but Montas and Severino both have some recent injuries that make them question marks going into next season, so there would be plenty of sense in adding another arm and pushing some guys down the depth chart. The question will be whether the Yanks would prefer paying the price for an ace like Rodón as opposed to turning to mid-rotation options like Chris Bassitt or Sean Manaea.
If Rodón indeed is open to seven or more years in order to obtain the contract total he’s eyeing, that would be an interesting situation for the Yankees to ponder. They already have expensive contracts for Cole and Judge on the books for the next six and nine years, respectively. Giancarlo Stanton has five years left with a $25MM club option for 2028 with a $10MM buyout. Adding a lengthy deal for Rodón would likely mean their 2028 payroll would already be well beyond $100MM.
The Red Sox, on the other hand, have plenty of space before thinking about the tax. Roster Resource currently has their payroll at $172MM and their CBT figure at $192MM. That leaves them about $40MM away from the lowest threshold, meaning they could add Rodón with room to spare. There would be plenty of sense in adding to their rotation given all the question marks they have there. Nick Pivetta is probably the only solid member of their group right now, as Chris Sale and James Paxton have hardly pitched in the past three years. Brayan Bello and Garrett Whitlock are penciled into two spots, though they are young and only have 20 MLB starts between them. They also have other areas worth addressing on the roster, such as catcher and figuring out how to deal with the departure of Bogaerts from their infield. Long-term, they have Story and Masataka Yoshida locked in for the next five seasons but nothing guaranteed for 2028.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
It’s not a surprise, I wonder if AAV is in the low 20s though. Lengthy contracts like this undermine the whole point of salary caps. MLB should do something.
User 401527550
Like eliminate the luxury tax.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
More like triple it and make team forefeit their top 3 remaining picks for exceeding a certain amount
User 401527550
So your for billionaires make ingredients billions of dollars and players not getting their fair share? MLB is obviously way more profitable then they let on.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Yes. I don’t see millionaires as “poor” and in need of wages to make a living. This false information about billionaires being able to spend money is that they wouldn’t spend more than they make. Who in the right mind takes on am investment and expects to take a loss? Stocks are a better and safer investment without the fans whinning. Look at regular inflation vs sports inflation, while considering sports share. Also, think of how 81 home games × 50,000 max capacity × even 50 dollars a seat gets 202.5 million. Mets payroll is much higher. The rest makes fans watch ads during games. I don’t feel sorry for those millionaires
User 401527550
Good thing there is lot more then ticket sales going into a teams revenue. Tv contracts alone cover most teams payrolls. Then you have parking, food, souvenirs, merchandise, sponsors, and other revenue streams. Not to mention the smart owners that make everything around the team an entertainment complex. Nobody is going poor.
RyanD44
Amazon employees aren’t paid well enough, I promise Jeff Bezos is wealthier than all MLB owners combined. Why aren’t you complaining about it?
TheMan 3
Owners are business people, and players are their employees
One is in business to make a profit, the others are well compensated for their work
While some owners have the benefit of a large television viewing audience, which pays a hefty price, most don’t
It’s always been between the “ haves” and “ haves not “
It’s simple math and a simple explanation
TheMan 3
Actually many of the Amazon employees, working at warehouses have voted for union membership, and surprisingly, many have voted against it
Mick10
Exactly Cohen laughed at the 4th level.. Should pay a much steeper price..maybe NO first Rd picks for 4 years. That might get the p’s attention.
Joe S
What? The players undoubtedly make more then their fair share when it comes to comparing with profits. Tell me another industry which pays their core employees a percentage as high as MLB? Any thoughts to the contrary is coming from a point of ignorance.
SausageOfDoom
DeGrom Texas Rangers
You’re leaving a few things out of your calculations: Luxury boxes, concessions, stadium advertising, merchandise, parking, broadcast income… – that’s how the Yankees end up with $700 million in revenue.
For some rich people who want to be able to say “I own a sports team”, whether they make a profit might not be important (see Steve Cohen, George Steinbrenner).
Also, we don’t really know how good an investment owning a team is, because they do not open their books (except Atlanta). It’s dumb to believe what Rob Manfred says. This disputes Manfred and states owning a team has been much better than the market since 2002: marketwatch.com/story/mlb-commissioner-manfred-say…
VonPurpleHayes
Jeff Bezos isn’t with Amazon anymore.
norcalblue
Come on man, you think Cohen is about making a profit right now? You have an owner who doesn’t really care what the cost might be. He was miffed that deGrom never got back to him and his response has been to make sure it doesn’t happen again on the toys he wants to buy.
Oldguy58
Isn’t with? It’s his company and he’s the major share holder
luclusciano
Teams do not make count on ticket sales for revenue, it is what is sold in tbs stadium after you get there. Obvious, you need people there to buy, but that is why they can do buy one ticket get one free without batting an eye.
padam
@von – he’s a board member. Still with them.
Sky14
Umm the players are also in it for the profits. I don’t get why some people think it’s okay for “business people” to try to maximize their profits but not workers.
slider32
Cohen is like Walmart, squash the bug!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
It’s a monopoly
Pads Fans
Players salaries were $4.2 billion and MLB said they brought in $10.7 billion. Just under 40%. That is obviously not their fair share. Even if you add in all the other expenses that make up the CBT calculations including salaries for everyone on the 40 man roster, travel expenses, and team contributions to retirement fund, its still only $4.52 billion or 42%
That is why salaries are going up so much this offseason. MLB owners do not want another contentious CBA negotiations in 4 years.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Bezos is the largest Amazon shareholder and he’s the Executive Chairman of the Board of Directors.
adkuchan
You aren’t thinking like a billionaire. A franchise is the ultimate status symbol. The value of teams keeps skyrocketing. Not because of profit, but because of scarcity. They don’t come up for sale often & when they do there is no shortage of suitors.
Keena
You are correct. He is working part time at a 7-11 for $15/hr.
bergeraj
No I’d be surprised if it’s under 28 mil a year. Adding years on Rodon won’t lower the aav unless they add years past what he’s seeking! Everyone is getting bank this off season, most of these deals will loom absolutely atrocious in a few years
RyanD44
I think getting rid of the luxury tax $ penalty, and say if you have over a $225m payroll, you don’t get a first round pick in the next year’s draft.
mlbdodgerfan2015
That’s not enough. It has to hurt the pocketbook a bit if it’s going to impact spending. I actually don’t think that the penalty is enough. Too big of a spread between top and bottom teams on spending.
RyanD44
If you took away first round picks, I promise you it would impact spending. Teams lose only their second round pick if they sign a qualified offer player.. that’s significantly less than a first round pick. You take away a first round pick, and then say the second consecutive year, you take away their 1st and 2nd round pick, and keep adding on. Teams would break eventually bc not having a farm system will catch up with you. You could even add a financial penalty along with the draft pick loss for being over a certain $.
vikingbluejay67
This wouldn’t change anything. Small market teams would still basically be farm teams for big markets. They’d develop the talent only to lose them to free agency years later. Same as today.
vikingbluejay67
@ryand44, good point. I didn’t think about the long term effects of losing top picks for several years. Would definitely hamper your own farm system.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Exactly. Why develop players when you can buy them. Of course I’m exaggerating a bit as no team can just buy/trade for their players without developing them. And small market teams won’t be able to keep elite players.
jopeness
Are you forgetting all the additional revenue sharing that occurs to the smaller market teams by the larger market/spenders? A lot of the stats are behind paywalls, but Craig Goldstein posted the new TV contract with TBS. Each team receives ~62Mil with local TV avg. $40mil. So just numbers, that 100mil paid, 8 teams payroll. That is before the actual revenue sharing occurs.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Contreras, deGrom, and somewhat Nimmo got lower AAV than many predicted on here and other sites, but with a longer length. This is why I am guessing he gets significantly less than 28 million AAV over the FA market. At some point, teams start to trade for guys or sign minor league guys with some upside if the market is this bad.
RyanD44
For many teams, there’s no point in trying to compete right now. If you’re in the NL and you aren’t the Braves, Mets, Padres, Dodgers, Phillies and on a lower level, the Cardinals – what could the other teams do to compete with those top 6 teams?
Like what would the Giants have to do to compete? They’d have to sign Rodon, Correa, Dansby and I still don’t think they are as good as those top 6.
If you’re the Brewers and in a small market, I’d trade Woodruff and Burnes bc they’d get a haul in this market, and they can’t realistically compete right now.
RyanD44
I love how people continue to use the argument of “So you are ok with the owners making billions while the players don’t get paid well enough?”
The league MININUM is $700k. Show me another business where employees are making $700k minimum. If you want to complain about people being underpaid, complain about the people making $10-$15/hr to serve your a** a beer while sitting in the seats, or bringing you nachos bc you don’t want to miss a pitch. THOSE people are underpaid, and the owner should take care of them. But you don’t care about that – you want to see millionaires make more? What? I mean, what? So really, you aren’t fighting for the principal of people being underpaid, you just want to see your “team” perform better.
JoeBrady
But SF is not a small market team. They aren’t particularly good right now, so I can see them not getting involved in the craziness, right now, but they should be lumped with Philly & SD, maybe higher.
User 401527550
I don’t go to the game for someone serving me a beer. Anyone can do that. If they want more money then they can negotiate it like everyone else. Maybe stop being jealous of what someone else has and go out and get what you want. In life. If you don’t want $15 an hour then go make your self more valuable.
Rsox
You compete the same way the Rays, and A’s compete by making smart baseball decisions. And really the Braves are only spending money on their own players so its hard to lump them in with the big spenders.
TheMan 3
bingo. RyanD44!
There isn’t one person in this country who would turn down an annual salary of $700k.
Except the greedy baseball players
RyanD44
And if someone does turn it down, they can have good luck finding it elsewhere.. and I promise you, the next best player will jump for that $700k.
VonPurpleHayes
Baseball careers are limited and they don’t get a 401K. They have a limited time to earn anything. Most people work into their 60s with benefits. I’m not saying it evens out or anything, but a player who makes league minimum and then fizzles out or gets a career-ending injury, is not set for life. He’ll likely have to get other work.
Oldguy58
Just greedy baseball players? NBA players scoff at what most baseball players earn
dm867
Vendors are underpaid at $10-$15/hr? They are unskilled labor, and their jobs don’t demand a high pay rate because there’s no special skills to do them. Anyone can hand someone a beer and take their money. Hitting a 92 mph slider? Not everyone can do that.
Also, nobody pays $20 to park at a stadium and pay $75 to get in and watch Joe Shmoe toss a bag of peanuts at someone. I mean, this is really basic economics at work here….
jopeness
agree with that, I think it might have been The Athletic or similar that did have a report noting what teams took care of their stadium workers during COVID. BEFORE the Govt’ backed loans occurred.
slider32
Small market, big market, they are all making big money. They all make over 300 million a year. Some owners are richer than others. The owners won the new CBA, and are getting a lot of money in streaming too.
jopeness
Slider, I agree and yet fans of particular teams still hate on teams/owners signing players. No team should have to do what Oakland or Pittsburgh does. Owners should be penalized or have to open their books to avoid sacrificing tax sharing. I’m sure some will say that they are private organizations and America Capitalism. But I’d rather not strat too off topic. Ultimately there has to be a penalty that only affects the ownership for not fielding a competitive team.
retire21
Salary cap?
CaptainJudge99
$168 million for 6 years, and a club option for a 7th season seems plenty fair for Carlos Rodon. I’m sure he’s asking for $200 million for 7 years.
Yankee Clipper
Or raise the bar even more…. Give him even more money than he asked for potentially.
So, lower floor / higher ceiling, but incentive-laden. I just don’t know if Boras would do that type of deal.
just_thinkin
Lol. Well he’s right in thinking some desperate team will give him that.
Bright Side
Get rid of MLB anti trust exemption. The owners want to see smaller market teams suffer. They want taxpayers to finance their stadiums. They want to keep salaries down. That’s why there are teams still in Oakland an KC rather than in Nashville, Vegas, or Charlotte. If the owners truly cared about the Pittsburgh fans, they wouldn’t have blocked Mark Cuban, a Pittsburgh native, with deep pockets, from buying the team. It would wreck their narrative.
jopeness
The smaller market team profits just don’t ‘trickle down'(same for 98% of private corps). Any owner losing money would look to sell, they aren’t, so they are all making money. Who knows they could be leveraging assets against the club or using the club to expense all their personal expenses. We never know because only ATL has to open the books.
Bright Side
I don’t know why people still get bent out of shape whenever an athlete signs a groundbreaking deal. I see it as a good thing. Progress. That said I think Boegarts is overrated about the Padres are idiots. Ditto Phillies. Ditto for anyone who gives Correa a similar contract. Ditto for any team who gives 5+ years to an out of shape pitcher like Rodon.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Why not in this market?
30 years old
History of injuries limited starts not too long ago
$200 million during silly season
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Per the write up- “If Rodón and agent Scott Boras are fixated more on the contract’s total than on its length, then spreading that, say, $175-200MM goal out over a period of SEVEN, EIGHT or even TEN years would greatly reduce the potential luxury penalties for whichever team signs him.”
Probably means someone will have to go over the top and give him a nice round 10 years. Anyone here want him for 10 years??
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I will guess that he will get six years and 198 million
Basically, DeGrom money
CaptainJudge99
If he wants $196 million for 6 years, then the Yankees are likely out. Where do you think Rodon goes?
mlbdodgerfan2015
I don’t think that is what Boras has in mind. Why would you take same/similar dollars over a longer period of time to help a team out when you know you can get similar dollars over a lesser period of time? Time value of money anyone? You’d only do that if the market is weak for your player.
Pretty sure Boras thinks he can get a team to bite on say a 5-6 year deal. You put out 7 years as shock value then lower it to make the teams think they negotiated well.
Yankee Clipper
“Okay, Carlos, 10 years at….. let’s see, carry the one, add the hmm…. $1.98/year. How about it?”
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That would be my offer to the other Carlos.
Dr2022
That takes the Yankees out of a clip. They’re not gonna payroll done in seven years of 30 million or so. Not after the judge contract. Someone suggested Andrew Heaney returns I wouldn’t be surprised.
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Clip, I might even try handing him a few stacks of those “Million Dollar Bills” with the Statue of Liberty on them and see how it fares….If he signs, then it has to be honored.
Yankee Clipper
Haha! Maybe he will take “Park Avenue” from a really, really nice edition of Monopoly?
If all else fails, lock him in a room with Tyson. He’s got two ears. After the first one is gone, he will know we are serious.
CaptainJudge99
@Dr2022- Andrew Heaney is gone already, he signed a 2 year deal with the Rangers. Rodon makes sense for 6 years, maybe $170 million. I don’t think the Yankees will go $200 mill, for 7 years for him though. I agree with you there. We’ll see.
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Clip, It could work…But we would need to throw in Boardwalk too so he could put his 4 houses on it…And I don’t mind calling in a favor with Iron Mike.
slider32
If I can give up prospects and Gleyber for Lopez, I would rather do that as long as they keep Peraza and Volpe.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
They do not want a high priced short term asset like Gleyber. If not Peralta, then Dominguez plus Gil or Vasquez.
Dr2022
Yes captain I agree with you. We’ll see what the Yankees do here, if anything.
JockStrap
Why not?? If he took 175m @ 7 years his AAV would only be 25mi per. As inflation rises, from season to season then contract would be dirt cheap by its 6th and 7th year. He carries a risk but but worth the gamble.
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Jock, Padres will offer him 10/300 but he’ll probably sign elsewhere for 7/175 like you say.
JockStrap
Padres now prefer to hand out contracts that can reach up to 15yrs now.lol
Funny how teams can extend years on a contract, but Pitchers can’t last more than 5 or 6 innings.
flamingbagofpoop
This is sarcasm, right?
boastrogot
theres no way he is healthy for like half of that.
C Yards Jeff
Five words: Patrick Corbin and Stephen Strausberg (sp?)
WideWorldofSports
will be a terrible deal for whoever ends up committing to that.
JockStrap
Mike Hampton
Rsox
Hampton was healthy, he just couldn’t pitch in Coors (he could hit pretty well there though)
iverbure
I liked what the blue jays used to do. Have a rule they aren’t signing anyone to a contract over 5 years. Great rule. Every team should have a self imposed rule like that. I’d also extend that rule nobody over age 30 gets beyond a two year deal. These self imposed rules pretty much guarantees you stay competitive and never have to tank due to multiple crappy contracts. Fans won’t agree or understand but they don’t know anything so I wouldn’t be worried.
User 401527550
So you would let Guerrero walk in a couple years?
mlbdodgerfan2015
Some teams can spend more than others but I agree in that some teams in general need to exercise more caution and discipline in the types of contract they give out. Need to balance long-term impact with the short-term goal of winning. Clearly they haven’t been trained in the art of negotiations as these players/agents have been taking them to town.
User 401527550
The only way that happens if MLB teams collude with each other and break anti trust laws. Otherwise it’s a free market and each team is doing what they believe they need to do to be competitive or make the most money possible.
Mr_KLC
Astros pretty much already live by that.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
“Nobody over 30 gets more than a 2 year deal” is nonsense. A lot of guys don’t reach free agency until they’re 29-30 and it’s have teams needing to completely overhaul their budget every year basically as one contract ended and another began.
JoeBrady
Way, way short-sighted, imo. No two players are alike. Where teams usually fail is to not match up the number of good seasons expected, against the number of bad seasons. You should approximately have as many pre-age 32 seasons as post-32 seasons. A 10-year deal for a 27 year old hitter is a whole lot different than a 10-year deal for a 31 year old hitter.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Why not 8 years then? Sheesh. Rangers, Padres or Mets ready to open their checkbooks again?
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Mlb2015, 10/300 here we come!
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Rangers fans are spoiled beyond anything. They got the best player in the world with a 12 K/BB, a starter with a 3.1 ERA and a 6 K/BB, a 2.5 million average guy in Odorizzi, and the 4th pick. These guys have some nerve (including their beat reporter for calling it a failure if they “only sign deGrom”). They want Rodon and some a 10 M+ bat. Fans are demanding a 200 million payroll. I am saying this as an ashamed Rangers fan. Btw, payroll is in the 160s when you consider Odorizzi’s 10 million They get back.
User 3663041837
Might as well shoot for the stars.
Os fan in PA
In this market he’ll get it, and at a 30M+ AAV.
Screamer22
I am curious how Yankee fans view their team right now. Is getting Judge back enough of a relief that you are content to see how the season unfolds (maybe a healthy team is closer to the Astros level)? Or do they need to do more (like overpay for Rodon)?
The_M4N
Interesting questions. The Yanks keep Judge, the Astros lose Verlander. Still believe the Astros are a better team. The Yankees have too many holes/question marks (Donaldson, Hicks, Torres, IKF, bullpen, can Nestor repeat, can Severino stay healthy, I don’t expect much from Montas).
As I said before they resigned Judge, if they are going to give Judge that kind of money, might as well go all out and put the best team around him, regardless of payroll. That meant go get Rodon… but, not at 7 years.
JoeBrady
Not their fault, but if Cohen is spending $350M or so, the NYY should not be stuck at $264M. George would’ve treated this as a slap in the face, and gone after every NYM target.
CaptainJudge99
@The _M4N- I don’t think Gleyber Torres hitting 26 homeruns last year should be considered a hole for the Yankees. I love IKF as a utility this season. Frankie Montas needs to learn a circle change to be a solid #3 in the rotation, he’s one pitch away, but that shouldn’t stop the Yankees from pursuing Carlos Rodon for 6 years though.
Yankee Clipper
Well, we certainly need upgrades as M4N detailed. Specifically though, we need Rodon. Rodon is the pitcher for the Yankees that could put them over the top this year. I’ve seen multiple reports the Yankees almost had him signed at the Winter Meetings and this explains the holdup.
Honestly, Rodon at 7 years is not worth it. Way too much money and eat too many years. I don’t envision any team signing him. Frankly, I figured his top end would be four-to-five years, with the average offer hovering around four. But seven? Yikes.
Outside of him, the Yankees must acquire a LFer.
Dr2022
Clip, this guy has an injury history too. I would not take a chance on him for seven years. And obviously we need another good pitcher, but I would put hitters first. It’s always the offense that fails us in the postseason . We need a leftfielder desperately, Hicks will not do it, + a third baseman ,15 home runs in 40 RBIs a year is not going to do it at that position either. Donaldson needs to be dealt, even if you have to eat most of the money.
Yankee Clipper
Dr: Yoo know, that’s an excellent point, and one that I wrote off, perhaps too hastily, because there’s nobody left on the market absent a trade or Correa. But, it’s certainly feasible and offensively they struggle each postseason. I do worry about pitching health though (which is a bit ironic that I cite in the same sentence with acquiring Rodon!).
CaptainJudge99
@Yankee Clipper- hope all is well. How about Bryan Reynolds for left field? Trey Sweeney, Everson Pereira, Randy Vasquez, Clarke Schmidt or Domingo German probably could get it done. What do you think? The Yankees aren’t likely dealing Oswald Peraza, Anthony Volpe, or Jasson Dominguez. Austin Wells would probably interest the Bucs as well.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If Nimmo is a $162 million dollar player, the price for Reynolds is not going to be traded for lesser prospects.
From Yankees: Oswald Peraza MLB # 50, Luis Gil (team # 10) and Randy Vasquez (team # 14)
Or from Dodgers:
Michael Busch MLB # 42, Ryan Pepiot (MLB # 74), andJames Outman (team # 13)
The_M4N
@CaptainJudge99, I know that the question was not directed at me, but Reynolds worries me a bit. I think the Yanks’ inability to hit has been a bigger problem in the playoffs, in recent history, than pitching. Reynolds strikes out a lot, too. In his three healthy seasons he averages approx. 125 SO (eyeballed it) per year.
I don’t know if that gets it done. But as an aside, I don’t think the Yanks can trade either of Schmidt or German until they get another SP.
Yankee Clipper
Cap: I love the idea of Reynolds for LF. He’s the guy to get, imo, if they’re going for it, which they should.
I do think they will have to give up Peraza or Volpe (Cashman will not let Volpe go), plus upper pitching, imo. I think Manny’s might even be a bit light given There will be so much competition for Reynolds’ services. So, the Yankees will need to come forward with a strong, multiplayer offer to top other offers if they really want Reynolds.
Will Cashman do that? Probably not, which is why the deal hasn’t come together yet. Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Pirates asked for Dominguez, Peraza, Gil, and one or two more during their initial conversation. They’re shooting for the moon according to many reports, not that they will get that, of course.
Buster Olney says Yankees are getting ready for something big. That means one of three moves: Correa (he referenced, but not directly); Rodon; or Reynolds.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Hi, Clipper
Peraza, Dominguez and Gil would get it done. Agree that Volpe is not going anywhere.
slider32
Yankees were the best team in baseball the first half of last year before injuries set in, I think they will be better this year. They are adding young talent in Peraza and Volpe sometime during the year, and they will have Montas for the whole season. Most people are discounting the loss of Verlander for the Astros, he won the Cy Young.
cba93
Might as well.. while everyone else is struggling in America these athletes are making the most ridiculous money imaginable. Good thing they pushed everyone to go out and vote blue. It’s really helping out the working class American
Ella B
Lol, who is “they”? How about you take your conspiracies back to fox, this is a baseball site.
rms823
Maybe you’re on the wrong site. This is MLBTR. Not a political site
The_M4N
Do you realize most of us here come to talk baseball and get away from the stupid world of divisive politics. And then you show up!!!
cba93
That’s why I used to watch sports too. Wasn’t me who decided the two belonged together
JoeBrady
while everyone else is struggling in America these athletes are making the most ridiculous money imaginable.
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And that, my friend, is called capitalism. And it isn’t just BB. See what musicians charge for a concert. Or a Broadway play. All of us have the freedom to ask for as much as we think we are worth. And all of us have the option of declining to participate in entertainment we consider too pricey.
cba93
And some of us used to have an option of where we would like to eat dinner
BadCo
Some people blast fox, but simply can’t handle the truth.
Snuffy
Everyone else is not struggling, if you are it’s your own fault.
Snuffy
Fox and truth- a contradiction if ever there was one.
fred-3
Welcome to the San Diego Padres, Mr. Rodòn
solaris602
Preller: “YES!!!! SPEND!!!! SPEND!!!! SPEND!!!!”
Bryzzo2016
Terrible self scouting by the White Sox. Let this guy just walk out the door and didn’t even get draft pick compensation. Yet felt good about severely overpaying for Kuechel and Grandal. The same FO that traded Tatis Jr for James “Big Game” Sheilds. That said, 7 years for a pitcher with an extensive injury past… too much of a risk. Only a desperate team thirsty for headlines would do that… enter SF.
Maclunkey
As much as I would have loved to see him stay with the White Sox, there is no way they would have ever paid him that much money. Like you said though, it just sucks they got no compensation.
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Julio Urias is gonna need a 12 year 350mil extension.
Same for Buhler and Gonsolin too.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
In November, I was thinking Julio Urias would get eight years and $200 million. Now, I am thinking eight years and $240 million. That might be just high enough for the Dodgers to pass.
Urias has been the best pitcher over 2021-2022 combined based on his era, record, and Cy Young finishes. His FIP is a little higher that expected because Urias gives up solo home runs rather than walks after the Dogers have a large lead.
I would take Julio Urias over Rodon or deGrom, taking into account the risk of injury.
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Agreed Manny. I would take him over them too.
FullMontilla
Wait, is someone offering? I bid $241M!!
Rsox
No thanks on Rodon. The Red Sox already have an ex-White Sox starter that can’t stay healthy signed to a big money contract.
I would rather have Bassit. And lets not forget that Cutter Crawford, Tanner Houck, and Josh Winckowski (and probably Connor Seabold) are in the mix and Bryan Mata, Brandon Walter, Chris Murphy, and Shane Drohan could all get looks as well
put it in the books
This guy is nuts if he thinks he’s getting 7 years
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According to the article 8 or 9 isn’t out of the realm of possibility. 7 is a foregone conclusion it seems.
MoyBoy1974
Minnesota Twins should offer 7years and 196 million.
Think that would get him signed.
MoyBoy1974
While Twins are at it offer 10yeats and 350 million to get Correa signed also. with opt out at 3, 5, and 7 Years. make for A+ off-season if sign Correa and Rodon.
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
I hate to say it as a Padres guy but…AJ just checked the account and a hole just literally burned in his pocket. Heyman is going to make the text, Padres sign Carlos Pendjo…ooop’s Rodon.
7yrs $280-$320
sliderwithcheeze
The reality is, there are commenters on this site that won’t even be alive in seven years. Especially smokers and those engaging in risky behaviors.
RunDMC
And Bonilla will still get his annual million from the Mets
RunDMC
Why stop at 7? Go for 11, Carlos/Boras!
bravesnation nc
This is utterly ridiculous. 7 yr contract on a pitcher? Tell me the last time giving a pitcher that many yrs has worked out for a team. Don’t worry I will wait.
JRamHOF
Scherzer
Motown is My Town
Name another one
YankeesBleacherCreature
HoF’er Mike Mussina, Masahiro Tanaka
JRamHOF
No u
RunDMC
This is a pretty great (and timely 2015 ESPN) article from Jayson Stark on how WSH would regret the Schezer 7-year deal (they did not), but most do as evidenced by this: espn.com/blog/jayson-stark/post/_/id/1056/seven-ye…
Mikenmn
The Yankees might be better off passing, as that level of contract, combined with Judge, Stanton, and Cole would essentially guarantee they’d be over the first CBT level (and probably the second) for at least the next five years, A healthy Rondon would make any rotation better, but if you think about seven years for a pitcher, throw in a mediocre last two years, maybe a half season in the aggregate on DL during the first five (not at all out of the question) thats a ton of money.
Fg-3
Who cares.. if we get a championship who cares. Yanks gave Burnett 85 mil for 5 years in 2009. 2009 and he crapped the bed. But he won game 2 in WS so he was worth every penny. Don’t think just spend until we win.
Fg-3
I’d take Rodon and put Oswaldo in left.. this is a guy that is elite.. not a number 2 but just as good as Cole if not better. Then we have a dominating starting 5
Anthony maresca
Stanton is only counted as $22.5 million towards the cap plus Marlins pay $30 million of remaining $$$ owed from 2023 to 2027. His contract hardly a burden. Adding a $30 million a year pitcher can be done but Rodón is not the right guy to go more than 5 yrs
Yankee Clipper
And herein lies the rub. Rodon is *the guy* to get imho. He’s the only one remotely capable of putting up elite pitching and making a significant postseason impact. He instantly makes the team/rotation much better.
BUT, He’s not worth it for the years. So, the question remains: if his acquisition nets a championship is it worth it? Or is getting a “better value” for a lesser pitcher more advantageous even though he’s less of a guarantee?
Keep in mind, once Rodon goes (like with Judge then Nimmo), the next arm will get more than he should too because of Rodon. So either way it’s an overpay. It’s just now we are overpaying for a lesser pitcher.
Man, 7 is not worth it, imo. The only thing about Rodon is this: the guy is tailor made for NYY. He’s a pit bull. He’s got nerves of steel, has fiery competitiveness, and *wants to play for NYY*. Sometimes, you can’t pay enough for guys like that (ie, Sonny Gray, Montas so far).
So, I’m inclined to agree with Fg-3 here. We have Judge, Stanton, Cole…all in prime-age years right now. Why waste them. Rodon could help them net more than one WS over the next couple years and that would certainly be worth it. This one is not an easy call for me, but I think they’re better raising the total / AAV for shorter duration in line with what Anthony said (5 years).
PKCasimir
Yankees post all-star break – 42-39. No one pitcher is going to make this an elite team.
Yankee Clipper
You’re correct, I was referring to the postseason too though. Having a lockdown SP is crucial. Cole has not been that guy before ‘22, Sevy is often not healthy. We need at least one more guy, imo.
Again, I would be very uncomfortable with 7 years for Rodon, but what else do you do if not trade? You must overpay then or roll out what you have and hope, which hasn’t worked.
Gwynning
We’re rowing the same boat here, Clip. Rodón or bust; the talent drop-off after Carlos is significant. That being said, 7 years does seem excessive and mildly scary. Somebody (SF?) will probably cave but I don’t see my Pads doing it. Kinda sorta hope I’m wrong, but either way it remains exciting. Happy Holidays buddy!
Yankee Clipper
You too Gwynning! I see you have a copycat of sorts running around the boards here. Totally uncool, but mildly flattering I assume. You’re a trendsetter buddy!
Gwynning
For real? Well, I haven’t had the pleasure of meeting the nitwit… unless I did see him and forgot which makes me a nitwit! We have Pads fans here with multiple accounts so I’ll just go on assuming it’s “one of them” just finding their jollies in strange manners. Whatever floats their boat, they’re not hurting anybody’s feelings over here… cheers buddy!
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, it’s nothing bad. It’s the guy with the similar pic that you have/had. I think you actually talked to him about it. Nothing bad though and I don’t think it was intentional.
Gwynning
Oh my bad, yeah I did see the other San Diego Chicken guy… I misunderstood ya. Yeah he seemed cool and yes, most likely unintentional! Not to rub it in but it’s 70° and sunny at the beach today. Just another rough winter down here.
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Yankee Clipper
Oh man… of all the places in the world I honestly think I would would pick SD if I were picking based on weather. I love the 50-70 degree ranges and it seems it’s often right around that. Not too hot, not too cold. Must be beautiful, my friend. Congratulations on XB! He’s a true professional and he’s an excellent player, obviously. Certainly improved the team with that move.
Gwynning
Thanks buddy! Super stoked on X stretching the lineup and hoping he keeps up the great D, too. I could see him moving off SS sooner rather than later though. Ha-Seong is Gold Glove good and Jr. needs to settle into RF, Soto back to LF. Would love to sign a TOR hurler and bring back Drury, other than that it’s been an awesome Offseason.
TDR
I wonder what the conversations are like for the teams that ended up making these crazy contracts. How do you justify giving someone like Rodon 7 years of ace money when he’s literally only pitched over 140 innings once in the last 6 years. I would call his ask crazy, but this year some sucker will probably pay it.
Dotnet22
I know they won’t….but the Cardinals should do everything they can to sign this guy. Go 7 years. They need an Ace, they want more pure strikeout pitchers, they need a lefty. They have no true Ace and it gets worse after this season when Wainwright retires and Mikolas and Flaherty are gone. This franchise is loaded with money and need to spend it on this guy. Future payroll obligations aren’t terrible, especially after the next year or two. Make it happen Mo……I know. Wake up, I’m dreaming.
EastCoastGiant
You think Manaea is a mid-rotation option? Wow, hate to see your back end options.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
A 3-6 year deal depending on AAV is entirely reasonable but beyond that feels risky. I could see him getting a 7 year deal if his market is aggressive enough that someone adds that extra year to lock him down, but anything beyond that is ridiculous and any team signing him knows it’s a massive gamble as to how the deal plays out.
5 years/$140M w/ a 2-year vesting option for $31.5M each or $63M guaranteed.
Motown is My Town
Either his agent is giving him real bad advice or he does not want to play next year. A 7-year contract for an injury prone pitcher. WTF!!!
Redwolves3
As much as I want Rodon to re-sign with the Giants a 7 year contract (at any dollar amount) would ridiculous. Boras knows how to play the game and I’m sure some team will be suckered into paying whatever it takes to sign Rodon.
gfan
Probably better off to bring up Kyle Harrisson grab Manaya and Correa. Probably dodged a bullet on Judge too in the long run
Redwolves3
Correa will probably want a contract like Turner and Bogaerts (even more $$$) taking him through age 40.
He’s already said to sign him will take the most dollars. And Correa won’t have the same loyalty and dedication Crawford has given Giants.
If Correa were to sign with Giants he should immediately say he would play another position so Crawford could finish his career at SS.
LGStros
No way I’d sign him for 7 years.
Jcmaylo
Seven years is crazy. Only takes one stupid owner to give him 7 years.
ASapsFables
This nonsense just won’t end. Any contender still in need of a rotation ace and an elite shortstop would have to seriously debate the notion of giving Carlos Rodon a 7-year contract with his injury history. If the argument is with that or an 11-year deal for one of the remaining shortstops I’d do the latter without thinking twice.
Redwolves3
Don’t forget to give Correa a trash can with his signed contract.
mlbdodgerfan2015
This guy would be perfect for a non-guaranteed contract like the NFL. You can sign to a seven-year deal but maybe only 4 years is guaranteed. If you stay healthy, you get the remaining three years. But no, players have so much power.
bravesnation nc
I said work out for a team. Damn Nats are paying him 15 Mil annually from 22-27 to not play for them and to beat them. Worked out real great for them. You can’t even compare Rodon to Max
cpdpoet
As a lefty who threw in the mid 80’s, in the late 80’s, it really sucks those few chromosomes that got left out of my DNA….
Am not saying Rodon/Boras should “get theirs”….but the current market is “bull” one for sure…
And Rodon knows how fleeting a career can possibly be….Since his signing bonus he’s made over 40million and the figure is bound to go waaaay up.
Hopefully he is more ’21-’22 than “Sale”
Dustyslambchops23
Remember when the CWS didn’t give him a QO last year lol
fearthecub
There seem to only be a handful of teams willing to go bonkers and throw caution to the wind for these top tier free agent contracts. When the bulk of them have already blown through their money on other players, does it stand to reason the remaining teams will stand firm in their principles and hold their ground for negotiations? Or will other teams get swept up in the ridiculous frenzy?
tesseract
Dude has pitched over 140 innings exactly twice in his career
fathead0507
If he get 7 then Max Fried gonna be smiling for next yr
Smoltzy16
2-3 yr deal, show me you can pitch 180-200+ innings for consecutive years before you ask for 7yr deal.
Ridiculous, but not unheard of today
CKinSTL
A few weeks ago, I would have said this is typical Boras blustering.. but after the deGrom deal, 6 or 7 years doesn’t seem unlikely.
ponytail01
Show me the MONEY!!! Good for Carlos.
Cooperdooper7
I bet you the Guardians come in a close second but loose out at the end.
Fg-3
The Yankees need this guy.. they need another top flight arm. He’s the only one out there. Give it to him. Lefty power arm in Yankee stadium. Just pay the man. You just shelled out 360 million keep spending so we can “buy” another championship and be hated by the Mets fans after they crap the bed again.
Skell 2
Common sense would lead one to believe teams are offering longer contracts to circumvent the luxury tax penalties. ♂️
#LCDad
So the Angels have no chance.
#LCDad
So the Angels are out.
Pads Fans
Its more than 3 years. Moreno doesn’t give pitchers long term deals.
whyhayzee
Isn’t that just a pact with the devil?
Somebody’s going to misread their market and get left holding the bag.
stroh
Someone who is desperate will give this guy 7 years. He’s had 1 1/2 good seasons but they are recent so he’ll rake it in.
Curvesarebetter
Love Rodon but there’s NO WAY he stays healthy for 5 years let alone 7. He’s got great stuff but is too injury prone. Hopefully, CR reads this comment and strives to prove me wrong, but with his history, I don’t see it
Pads Fans
Pay 7/210, lose draft picks, and bet long term on a guy that has stayed healthy just one season in his career?
This seems like a bad bet.
Augusto Barojas
As insane as the FA market has been, I’m thinking no team is gonna give him 7 years. Dude has never thrown 180 innings, and last year was the first time he’s been over 140 in 6 years. I mean he’s great, but might be lucky to average 100 innings per season over the course of the next 7.
Terry B
Well, we know Andrew Friedman ain’t going down that road!
oneiblnd
Should have just resigned Tallion. They need to stock bullpen.
padam
Five years would be my max.
CluHaywood
I love Rodon, but 7 years for a consistently injured pitcher, especially with shoulder and elbow injuries is just an absolute pipe dream for him.
LordD99
So an eleven-year deal probably wouldn’t be your preference?
Bright Side
If the Yankees had a functional brain cell in their collective mind they should aggressively pursue Joc Pederson. He’s a lefty bat who has been among the xwOBA leaders the last two years and is entering a contract year with the Giants. That would be real improvement.