Much attention this offseason has been paid to the Braves spending outlook. Atlanta boasts one of the league’s top rosters but currently faces a major question at shortstop. Dansby Swanson has hit the open market as one of the top players available, and the Braves have to determine whether to make another significant investment to keep the Gold Glove winner in the fold.
Retaining Swanson would surely involve pushing the club’s spending beyond the base competitive balance tax threshold. That figure is set at $233MM for 2023. Roster Resource presently forecasts Atlanta for around $228MM in luxury tax obligations. That includes projections for arbitration-eligible players Max Fried, A.J. Minter and Dennis Santana, which come with small error bars until those salaries are finalized. Still, one can estimate the team is at least within $10-15MM of next year’s base tax threshold before trying to retain Swanson or further augment the roster in left field or at designated hitter.
Justin Toscano of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes that the Braves are giving internal consideration to surpassing the luxury tax in the right situation. That’s hardly a surprising development. Atlanta brass has already gone on record about their affinity for Swanson, and they reportedly offered him a deal in the $100MM range during the season. An offer in that realm would push the Braves into luxury tax territory if accepted, and Swanson’s widely expected to beat that figure fairly handily. MLBTR predicts he’ll receive a seven-year, $154MM deal. If Swanson’s contract winds up falling in that area, it’d tack on somewhere in the neighborhood of $22MM annually to the signing team’s ledger.
A team’s competitive balance tax number is calculated by adding the average annual values of a club’s commitments, in addition to player benefits. For CBT purposes, there’s no difference between backloaded, frontloaded or evenly-distributed contracts. That reduces (but doesn’t entirely eliminate) teams’ ability to creatively structure deals around the tax. Yet for most teams it puts the club’s luxury tax number above their actual payroll for the upcoming season. That’s particularly true of the Braves, who have signed a number of players to early-career extensions with salaries that escalate later in the deal. For example, the Spencer Strider deal contains a $12.5MM tax hit, but he’ll actually make just $1MM next season.
Roster Resource projects Atlanta’s actual 2023 spending just under $196MM at the moment. Toscano writes the organization is placing a greater emphasis on that figure than on their current CBT number. While it seems there’s still some room to maneuver from that perspective, the Braves are already projected well above their previous franchise record. They opened this past season with a payroll just south of $178MM, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts. That was an organizational high, and they’re nearly $20MM above that for 2023 before considering Swanson or any outside additions.
One would certainly expect payroll to rise on the heels of five straight division titles, including their 2021 World Series. Much has been made of multiple members of the Liberty Media ownership group suggesting the organization planned to eventually have a top five payroll, but as MLBTR’s Steve Adams explored in October, they’re not far off that pace as is. It’s also difficult to identify ways for Atlanta to trim payroll without subtracting key contributors from the MLB roster. The team could probably find a taker for most or all of the $4.5MM owed to third catcher Manny Piña. They’d have a harder time shedding much of the $9MM they owe Eddie Rosario after the left fielder’s rough year, and they surely won’t find other clubs eager to assume much (or any) of the $37MM due to Marcell Ozuna over the next two seasons.
With the franchise already in uncharted waters, it’s difficult to glean from the outside how much flexibility is at hand for president of baseball operations Alex Anthopoulos and his staff. If the Braves wind up paying the luxury tax in 2023, the penalties they’d face would be relatively minor. They’d be taxed at a 20% rate for every dollar spent between $233MM and $253MM. That’d be followed by a 32% tax on spending between $253MM and $273MM, and they’d face stiffer penalties in the unlikely event they pushed beyond that second tier of penalization.
Finishing with a CBT number between $233MM and $253MM –which would be viable even if they re-signed Swanson — would come with a maximum of $4MM in additional fees. For a team that would already be spending upwards of $200MM on player payroll, that’s a relatively modest additional sum. Financial penalties escalate for teams that exceed the CBT threshold in multiple consecutive years, but the Braves are slated to see roughly $55MM in guaranteed commitments come off the books at the end of next season.
A'sfaninUK
Cool, then go back and restructure Acuna and Albies’s contracts to what they deserve.
yetipro
The world is not fair. If this is the unfair thing in the world to you, bless you.
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Unfair is me paying 99 cents for a Famous Star in 2012 and today I pay $5.67 for one. No cheese.
Cash Considerations
Unfair is being an Oakland A’s Fan
miltpappas
Don’t blame me. I didn’t vote for them.
CleaverGreene
Don’t pay it.
A'sfaninUK
Well, we have gone 2-17 in playoff series clinch games since 2000, that’s almost impossible to do.
Rishi
Honestly it is fair in ways. They signed the deal. The system of paying player (especially young ones) is unfair.
Smacky
Considering Acuña missed a year with an ACL and Ozzie played in all of 64 games this season b/c of freak foot break I’d say they’re being fairly compensated. Did you know he also had a freak bone break in his elbow on a non-contact making swing in the minors?
I mean, they could’ve not extended them and controlled them through arbitration through like 2025. Both sides are taking a risk and the team didn’t force them to sign the deals.
avenger65
If they hadn’t extended their top players, they wouldn’t be winning division titles for six years in row or contended for a WS ring every year. It’s a choice:
MLB Top 100 Commenter
They will gladly do that right after Ozuna returns the money that he is getting.
Smacky
Is Robinson Cano going to give back the $22m he got from the Mets this season? How about the $22m they owe him for next year? I’m sure Heyward will gladly return all the money he stole from the Cubs. So yeah, cool take.
advplee
Stole is not the term. MLB teams know there is always risk with big contracts. However, players that don’t live up to fan/team expectations are not stealing the money. They have a contract. Unless there is fraud on the part of the player, it is not stealing to take the pay agreed on.
bhambrave
I think Stole was just a figure of speech,.
avenger65
I agree with Smacky. Yes the cubs signed him for a certain amount of money, but if a player doesn’t work on his poor hitting and indifferent approach in rf, then he’s not living up to his salary. That’s stealing the cubs money.
YourDreamGM
We deserve better commenters and comments than this but yet here you are.
rickoppelt
The mariners and I will take osuna and 2 “ok” prospects plus all he is owed minus whatever you’re over the threshold by after re-signing Dansby to a new contract. As Long as it’s within reason and our pre signing handshake. Maybe 3-5 million off your books.
NashvilleJeff
@rickoppelt: “Osuna” (Robert) just signed to play in the KBO. If you’re referring to Ozuna—-he’s all yours, but so is the salary obligation. The Braves would tie 2 “ok” prospects to him in a heartbeat if they found a taker. How about Huascar Ynoa and Alan Rangel as the prospects? Two pitchers that you’re gonna absolutely love……………throw in Kelenic and it’s a deal. Works for Braves fans. You guys hate Kelenic and we’d like to find a nice home for Ozuna. Win-win!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Jared Shuster, Owen Murphy, J.R. Ritchie and Marcell Ozuna ($37 million albatross),
in return for Jarred Kelenic and Josh Hood.
Mr. LaForge, make it so.
JAMES JACOBSEN
@MVP Maybe his Visor has dead batteries?
NashvilleJeff
How about Shuster, Braden Shewmake, and 10 mill instead of Murphy and Ritchie, Manny? Can’t see the Braves giving up their top two draft choices (Murphy, Ritchie) for a 6th rounder (Hood) and a buy low perceived failure (Kelenic) along w/Shuster just to get rid of Ozuna’s sunk cost.
UGA_Steve
It’s not a bad deal, but I believe the Braves would be more willing to part with some pitchers further along to ease upcoming 40-man crunch rather than letting go of high ceiling arms three to four years away(Murphy and Ritchie).
Ynoa, Shuster, Muller, Elder, Tarnok are examples.
Benjamin101677
If Atlanta re does those contracts most likely be to add years at the end.
Every contract is a risk nobody knows who will turn out or who will fall off the table. Sure we will see at least one of the Braves contracts become upside down at some point.
The key for Atlanta be to turn more rookies out in future years. Crazy for a bottom lever game system Atlanta produced 3 solid rookies in 2022
richardc
The Braves also have SEVEN to EIGHT intriguing pitchers with 1st-2nd Round talent that they’ve drafted in the last 2 seasons ready to hit the ground running next season as well. (Maier, Schwellenbach, Phillips, Keller, Burkhalter, Murphy, Ritchie, and Smith-Shawver)
Then, you add in the fact they’re also finally able to compete and add through IFA, not to mention the three to four quality guys they added last year in their first year without restrictions, and that they’ve added a few interesting bats in the last couple drafts as well, and they’re already starting to rebuild their farm system to a more respectable level.
Most of these prospects will flame out, as they climb the ladder, but it is still exciting that the Braves have such a young nucleus, yet they’re also still adding alot of young talent to their MiL system..
NashvilleJeff
Spot on richardc. Augusta and Rome staffs going to be an awesome watch next season. Braves farm system underrated imo—especially the pitching.
DTD/ATL1313
They’re getting paid what they deserve because they’re happy with the pay or they wouldn’t have accepted it. It’s beyond stupid at this point to still argue against their salaries and it speaks volumes about the people whining.
NashvilleJeff
Right DTD. Albies and Acuna weighed injury risk (and other factors) by deciding to accept the salary terms in both deals. Braves took on the injury risk, both players signed for guaranteed money and years they found to be acceptable.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
They already got what they felt they deserved.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Ozuna was a colossal mistake, Swanson needs to be signed not only as a local favorite, but integral to the Atl. infield
mj-2
Acuna’s contract is plenty fair. I really don’t know why it’s so hard to understand for people, the majority of the contract included pre-arb and arb years.
If he goes year by year AND performed at a high level then yes technically he maybe gets in the ballpark of $120-130 mil.
But he’s getting this guaranteed too, so there has to be some give on his part. Otherwise don’t sign it and play the year to year game. That was always an option for him, and he chose the guarantee.
Albies contract though was pure BS. 100% agree with that one. He needs to fire his agent.
YourDreamGM
Maybe he didn’t take his agents advice. The fact that he didn’t (according to mj, i didn’t research it) could even suggest this.
NashvilleJeff
Maybe Albies was more concerned w/his elbow injury risk than anyone but him could know.
NashvilleJeff
Acuna’s guaranteed $89,370,370 through 2026. Braves also have him on 2 option years @17 mill each in 27/28. Total value of the deal if the option years are picked up is $124,370,370. He’ll be 30 at the end of the deal (including option years). Plenty of time for him to get a huge FA payday. Just asking because I don’t know, but how many players have earned 124 mill by age 30 and been a FA at that age after doing so?
TheMan 3
Exceeding the luxury tax is what Bob Nutting relies on from other teams
The less he has to spend out of pocket the more he can profit
bravesfan
I do think they should be paid more, but technically Ozzie and Acuna signed those contracts with the thought process of it being what they deserve. No one forced them to sign the deals. $100 mil is a lot of money. Now Ozzie’s deal is a bit more extreme, but at the end of the day, it’s still a lot of money
A'sfaninUK
“with the thought process of it being what they deserve. No one forced them to sign the deals”
This. This part is so severely messed up. Especially if you know their backgrounds, and that “thought process” was pushed on both by ownership.
I’m so sick of homers defending their team owners, when all 30 team owners are rotten. My fave teams is, so is yours, we HAVE to admit this more. Its disgusting watching fans on here be so despicable towards players. I will always call it out and talk smack, because homers need to be taught they are wrong.
Both Albies and Acuna are worth over $250M each for the length of the deals they got. If you disagree you dont know anything about MLB and need to stop posting here.
bhambrave
Baseball is a money making enterprise, not a socialist experiment.
atlbraves
What happens when a player such as Ozuna plays like a bum ? Does he take less money because of bad play ?
A'sfaninUK
Playing like a bum doesnt matter!! He already earned the money from his first 7 years when he was massively, severely underpaid – and where were you then? I bet you were STILL in here saying he was overpaid!
What happens to that money in your example then? It goes back to the faceless, talentless, scumbag billionaire team owner? No. The pie is so big and you are acting like all 100% of players dont deserve the slice that their literal skills and talent that MLB literally profited of! Grow up!
You are closer to being Ozuna than you are a team owner – never forget this.
padam
And if they were to become injured and didn’t perform…? Forfeit their salaries altogether perhaps?
Yankee Clipper
Hm, this does make me wonder about ATL’s plans for the future too. They’ve done a fantastic job locking up their youth at many positions, but being so close to the LTT, what are they going to do about their pitchers’ salaries that are going to go up by rather large multipliers over the next few seasons? Unless, of course, they intend on surpassing the LT or simply trading as some get more expensive.
Saint Nick
They have a lot of money coming off the books after next season (Morton, Rosario, Pina, etc.) and after 2024 (Ozuna). They will be fine especially with the amount of money they are making now days.
Smacky
Also, if you read the article you’d have learned that their actual payroll is significantly less than what their tax number is. Again, it’s in the article, but there’s a part that explains how contracts are account by the tax as AAV and the example they listed is Strider’s tax number for next year being $12.5m while he actually only be paid $1m for the 2023 season.
The tax isn’t that punitive to them as it is to all the other teams that sign a bunch of free-agents.
Yankee Clipper
“next year being $12.5m while he actually only be paid $1m for the 2023 season.”
This is the aspect of the article my question was getting at. If the Braves are shying away from crossing the LTT, and historically they do, it’s going to be very difficult with their pitchers as they go up {unpredictably} in salaries, specifically Fried, Minter, & Santana. It’s easier with Strider since they’ve signed him to an extension and know the AAV. Moreover, if they are looking at a FA SS, that adds a hefty AAV too.
But they have other areas of need. I imagine they’re going to have to replace Jansen’s production somehow as well and that market is getting fairly expensive.
All in all, I guess I was asking how they intend to operate as they always have and accomplish their stated goals. I think they can afford to surpass the LT#, as NickofTime pointed out, and not worry. It’s just not their typical economic MO.
richardc
Iglesias will be KJs likely replacement..
As of right now, the Braves pen looks to set up something like:
Cl: Iglesias
SU: Minter
SU: McHugh
MR: Lee
MR: N.Anderson
MR: K.Yates
And then they’ll have a few guys like Santana, maybe Luke Jackson, or William Woods, maybe Allard, Ellerbe, Tonkin, etc. to fill-in the last few spots in their pen.
I think with Iglesias it’ll be alot easier to replace Kenley then it will be replacing Matzek, and what all he has given to the Braves the last few seasons.
They will definitely need to add another piece or two, especially with them having ti rely on two bounceback candidates in Yates and Anderson, but I don’t think they’ll need to spend at the top of the market to find some solid replacements.
If either one of Yates or Anderson are able to be productive, or if both can bounceback, then that’ll certainly lessen their needs. Although, that’s a big ask, so I’d like to see them come already prepared just in case they aren’t able to perform like their former selves..
Rishi
Historically shying away from the luxury tax is a mute point because they have increased payroll and revenue so much that the past is largely irrelevant
Baseball Babe
It’s moot but I won’t mute…
Joeyg39
I can deal with the bullpen as such. I always get a little queezy sometimes putting McHugh in high leverage situations with his 90mph frisbees… Would much rather have aw hard thrower a la Alvarado. This way you have Minter and a flame thrower from the right side.
NashvilleJeff
@richardc: Better take William Woods out of your pen. Woods was dfa by the Braves last week. He was claimed by the Mets.
Rishi
I couldn’t disagree more about McHugh. He is perhaps the best reliever in the pen in my opinion. Don’t see how he was so cheap but relievers are being paid so much like Montero. He dominates every inning I see him pitch. He comes in in a jam and finds a way out nearly every time it seems.
Rishi
Grammatically correcting people’s is a fun little egocentric game. It’s cute. Someone always does it.
Rishi
That said (I still stand by the autocorrectors being annoying and egocentric unconsciously) thank you because I generally didn’t know the word was moot.lol. I thought it was just an alternative meaning of the spelling mute.
YourDreamGM
Those under free agent value extensions can only help them. Because of them they won’t have to worry about paying 30 somethings hundreds of millions. They can easily go above the ltt and dip back under the next year.
VonPurpleHayes
Dansby staying. To remain on top, the Braves need to splurge. Mets are spending on record levels. Phillies are breaking the lux tax too. Braves need to stay in win mode.
DraytonSawyer
Do you really think this means Dansby is staying? I’m curious if they are thinking of another SS option and locking up pitching. It’s going to be interested to watch.
VonPurpleHayes
I do think they like Dansby a lot. He seemed to be a great clubhouse presence. I think they lock him up.
Smacky
As for pitching Kyle Wright isn’t even eligible for arbitration until after next season and is under their control through 2027. No one pays pitchers early if they don’t have to. Pitchers break. They were able to keep their positions players and get a closer because of their plethora of cheap young pitching.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Didn’t they just do that with Strider?
Smacky
And he making all of $1m dollars for the 2023 season. They’re buying out his arbitration. They also think he’s special and it appears based on all the other managers comments they do to.
Benjamin101677
I think if swanson was staying he would already be a Braves. I like swanson but I think he ends up in Los Angeles.
Not sure what Atlanta does with the shortstop position.
YourDreamGM
With their pre arb talent and number of players locked up long term, the Braves will remain on top regardless of what happens to Swanson. Braves are world series contenders for at least the rest of this decade. Mets are closer to a 200 million team than 300 with some not maximized value contracts.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Atlanta is a smartly put together team, Mets used money to patch a poorly put together team. But I think both will be contenders for quite a while. Cohen is spending the money on the latch but it does not mean that they will ignore rebuilding their farm season. Injuries are always key, if Buehler does not go down for the Dodgers they might have won it all. If Tatis had not used roids they might have won it all. If Flaherty had stayed healthy Cards could have won it. Same for Braves and Albies. Power pitchers like Strider get injured more often than soft tosses.
YourDreamGM
Agree. Not counting Mets out. Just their payroll isn’t as huge advantage as it should be.
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t think payroll is a huge advantage unless you’re talking about the teams that don’t spend at all. The Braves always spend enough to remain competitive.
YourDreamGM
How many teams have won the world series this century without a above average payroll. But if you can spend 200 million smartly you are good. Spending over the tax you are just hurting your farm system and giving away money. Agree that spending over threshold isn’t a huge advantage. Disadvantage if you aren’t spending it well.
Benjamin101677
If the Mets spend the money they are talking about their farm system will be on the lower end of draft picks and not have the draft pools which will put a lot on them to find value in lower rounds like lottery type picks.
richardc
Yeah, the Mets are going to HAVE TO spend huge just to put together a bullpen and a full rotation…
Or at least it looks that way as things stand at the moment..
Smacky
They also traded a bunch of top tier prospects to Cleveland for Lindor and to Seattle for Diaz – they also had to eat the poop sandwich of a contract that is Robinson Cano.
The Mets are screwed. They have Scherzer & Diaz. All their other pitchers are now free agents.
Smacky
I’m muting you
YourDreamGM
@Smacky Go ahead and mute me you dumb ugly goofy loser! Will be the biggest mistake of your life! You will never find anyone as good as me! *They already muted me*
YourDreamGM
@richardc Agree. Technically you don’t have to spend a huge amount but the mets player evaluation isn’t at that level.
Joeyg39
I would say they spend to remain elite. Although their success doesn’t rely so much on signing $300m fa’s. They spend short term high aav fa’s a la Donaldson, Jansen, and to a lesser extent Will Smith. They refuse to hand out 8-10 year $300m deals that are sure to implode and cripple the organization moving forward.
Joeyg39
The Braves have been splurging…Tying up their young core players who will be together for the next 6-8 years. All with under market value contracts. That’s how they operate. They have arguably the best line-up in baseball… and all without a $300m player. While operating without a doubt with the worst TV contract in sports has forced them to be financially creative. They’re also aware that those exorbitant contracts always turn ugly as they age. See Ryan Howard, Josh Hamilton, Stephen Strasburg and Robinson Cano to mention a few. But I admit SS might be an adventure this year. Not quite sure Grissom is ready at short.
YourDreamGM
According to fangraphs in 2020 there are at least a dozen mlb teams with worst tv deals. Is fangraphs completely wrong?
NashvilleJeff
You’re right about their tv deal Dream. Not good but it’s far from being “the worst.” It’s over in 2027 anyway.
Joeyg39
That tv/cable deal they signed in 2007 was putrid. Generating only about $15m/year I believe. They have tweaked it since that it now generates around $83m/year, until it expires in 2027. Still nothing that approaches the $250/year deal the Dodgers have, or the $145m/year the Angels have.
richardc
If it gives you any added confidence in Grissom, the Braves have already had Ron Washington working with him almost this entire offseason working on his SS defense.
This is the same Ron Washington that has significantly improved Riley’s defense at 3B, Albies’ defense at 2B, and Swanson’s defense at SS. So, we do know he is in good hands, and Grissom is a very athletic player with good instincts, so, for me, that at least makes me feel a good bit better.
Braves83
Would love to sign Dans–but it won’t break my heart like Freddie.
YourDreamGM
As in the Freddie who demanded much more money than he actually received as a final non negotiable offer? I wouldn’t miss that guy. Was very pleased the Braves made him cry.
Letsplaytwotomorrow
Liberty Media is spending tens of millions in Vegas for the F1 race. They have the money and more.
NashvilleJeff
Reminder for the thousandth time that per the charter agreement between MLB and Liberty Media when Time Warner sold the Braves, Liberty Media pays the franchise nothing in operating expenses. The Braves entire financial obligations are taken care of by income the team generates.
SocoComfort
“The Braves entire financial obligations are taken care of by income the team generates.”
That’s probably part of the reason why they moved to the Battery.
NashvilleJeff
Agree Soco.
thickiedon
Rather have Judge & Bichette than Acuña & Swanson
VonPurpleHayes
I’d take Acuna & Swanson for what they cost, allowing the Braves to spend more elsewhere.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Did you mean Albies rather than Swanson?
VonPurpleHayes
Well theoretically, even if they pay big for Swanson, still won’t cost what Judge gets.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
True!
Smacky
Pretty sure the Braves are content with their guys who are both Gold Glove winners.
YourDreamGM
I’d rather have nothing than Judge. Give me the 300 million. Unless I am the Giants, they need to fill some seats.
HardensBeardHasFleas
Then hold onto your shortstop,hes the heart and soul of your team. Pretty good ballplayer also, in my opinion.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dollar for dollar, I like the roster of the Atlanta ball club the most of NL teams. But with what LA, SF, Mets, Phillies and Padres may spend, I think Braves will need to break the piggy bank to win in the post-season
braves95 2
Terry McGuirk… blink twice if you are being held against your will.
ham77
Being that they are presently shy of the CBT by just $5M they don’t really have a choice but to exceed the tax threshold. By the time you plug holes on the roster and sign injury replacements during the season they will be over easily.
Smacky
They have the best roster in the National League with or without Swanson.
The Fiend
Extending Morton before the season ended made no sense. 20 mil?
cbraves
Yeah I thought that was way too much for Morton especially during a down year and I think he’s 39 next season. I think 8-10MM would have been more like it. I am glad he’ll be back though with his veteran presence.
Smacky
He pitched quite well the first half, 3/4 of the season. He was the king of bad luck. He and Fried induced so much soft contact that they got bleed to death via infield singles. Morton’s back foot slider being as nasty as it was also contributed to him hitting like 20 lefties in the back foot.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Maybe it was a handshake deal from the year before?
bhambrave
They should pay Swanson a front-loaded 6/120. That extra money up front would off-set the lesser total dollars, and balance the Braves year to year payroll, with Swanson’s pay going down while the youngsters’ pay goes up.
NashvilleJeff
Imo if Swanson would’ve taken 6/120, he’d already have signed. He’s probably going to get 30-50 more mill than that on a 6 or 7 year deal elsewhere. I believe that higher total dollars means more to players than front loaded money.
rememberthecoop
Jed Hoyer says to spend intelligently.
TennVol
Hmm, Braves go ahead and sign Dansby for 5/150 or so and then package Acuna with Ozuna to say the Jays for Santiago Espinal and Lourdes Gurriel. Something along those lines.
NashvilleJeff
Worst idea ever to tie Ozuna to one of the Braves best players in a sorry deal like that. If the Braves wanted to trade Acuna—they don’t, btw—they could get a king’s ransom for him from any number of teams by dealing him alone. He’s probably the most valuable contract in MLB. Why would the Braves dilute that value in a deal just to get out from under the 36 mill sunk cost of Ozuna? They’d release Ozuna before giving away the most valuable asset they have in a nonsensical trade for worthless players like Gurriel and Espinal. Tell me you’re trolling for reaction and that wasn’t a serious proposal, lol.
SocoComfort
Everybody is so focused on Dansby here. If the Braves go over the luxury tax then really take a crack at it and go after Bogaerts, Correa or Turner and Dansby being the 4th best option.
CenterWingPolitics
I could definitely see the Braves logic in paying more attention to their “actual” payroll number as that’s the true number being spent this season. I’d wager they end up in the 230 range for their true number but right below the second CBT threshold.
Either way that’s about 30-35 mil to work with and signing Dansby gives them 5-10 mil to fill out the bullpen and a RH platoon partner for Rosario.
I really think their best course of action is actually to sign Bogaerts. Let Grissom have a year in AAA at SS to fully evaluate him along with some other SS prospects. Bogaerts should be able to give you two solid years with the glove. After that you move him to be your primary DH when Ozuna’s deal is off the books. You then can use Grissom or whoever at SS in 2025.
With so much of Swanson’s value coming from his defense he’s one freak leg injury from being negative value with whatever his new deal is. At least with Bogaerts you know that bat will still play. Dansby is entirely too streaky. Even this season his bat really disappeared after July (except the Mets series)
DTD/ATL1313
Every player is a freak injury away from having negative value. That’s why you make deals based on reality, not ifs and buts.
CenterWingPolitics
The point is he’s a player where all of his value is in his defense, well not all but a lot of it. Take Acuña for example. He couldn’t play the field but still has a good enough bat to DH if his knee ever became a chronic thing. Look at Harper and his injury.
If Dansby had some leg or foot injury, there’s no place to play him and his bat isn’t good enough for a DH
Mario93
I’ve come to the realization the Blue Jays have to sign Dansby Swanson and solidify that shortstop position defensively. Chapman and Swanson at the left side of the infield defensively is probably the best defensive infield in baseball. Jays are in serious contention mode, this not fielding the ball properly, booting it all over the infield by Bo Bichette won’t cut it anymore.
Remember Jays fans, this Jays team was a serious contender when they had Donaldson and Tulowitzki defensively on the left side, let’s not forget all the tough plays Tulo made look easy. A defensive shortstop who can actually hit like a Tulo, like a Dansby Swanson is a huge plus for any team. I really think the Jays need to seriously consider signing Dansby Swanson and moving Bo to 2B or even trading him for other needs.
Dansby Swanson will come at the lowest rate probably from all the shortstops, was the 2nd best defensive shortstop in baseball according to the defensive metrics. Last two seasons Swanson has had two 25 plus home runs, and nearly 100rbi in each season. Could be the best value signing in the offseason at a rate in the 20’s per season. The Blue Jays need to seriously consider it, and fix that shortstop position defensively once and for all.
NashvilleJeff
Lol, you need to post a disclaimer w/every comment you make on Swanson. Start it by mentioning that you’ve focused on him in your never ending stream of daily trade posts at Talking Chop (Battery Power) over the last 3-4 years. Most of them involved your idea to trade him and half the Braves farm for Lindor before the Mets acquired him. Remember when Ivan told you his order of preference for the Big 4 SS’s? It was Turner, Correa, Swanson, Bogaerts. Also, do you really believe that Grissom has a chance of being a capable ML SS after watching his dismal efforts at 2B last season? Looks like Camargo’s range w/out the arm strength. Better than even money Grissom’s moved to left field or dealt before he ever becomes the Braves starter at SS. Btw, your trade posts are good reads over at BP. Meant no insult by mentioning them. Very entertaining—even if I disagree w/many of them, lol.
NashvilleJeff
Comment was meant for center wing. Should have included that.
JAMES JACOBSEN
I have a funny feeling that the Braves Roster is set and Dansby is choosing to leave for the money. They might sign a player or two but nothing notable. A top 4 SS would be nice but I am not going to hold my breath.
NashvilleJeff
James, I hope you’re wrong about Swanson. Afraid you’re not. Have the feeling that if the Braves won’t re-sign Swanson, they definitely won’t spend substantially more on what the other 3 SS’s project to get.
bravos4life
And then we woke up…
bravesnation nc
Spend the money, Braves Country keep showing up to Truist like we and the ish will buff.
bravesnation nc
Do
TradeAcuna
Great. Make use of that extra money and bring in Bumgarner.