As Friday’s non-tender deadline enters the rear-view mirror and the offseason rolls along, here are three things we’ll be keeping an eye on around baseball:
1. Hall of Fame Ballot Announced
The official Hall of Fame ballot for 2023 is set to be released today, and for the first time in 10 years, it won’t have Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, or Curt Schilling on it. Carlos Beltran and Francisco Rodriguez will be eligible for the first time in 2023, while Jeff Kent enters his final year of eligibility. Scott Rolen, Todd Helton, and Billy Wagner each received over 50% of the vote last year, and could be names to watch this year in addition to the newcomers. While Alex Rodriguez will enter his second year of eligibility in 2023, he’ll need a massive showing on this year’s ballot to get on the radar for Cooperstown consideration after just a 34.3% showing in his inaugural year on the ballot. Although Bonds, Clemens, and Schilling won’t be on this year’s ballot, they could still join the Hall of Fame in 2023, as the Contemporary Baseball Era Committee will consider the three of them (as well as five others) during the Winter Meetings in December.
2. Will The Twins Re-Sign Correa?
The Twins made a few major changes to their infield mix before Friday’s non-tender deadline, as they shipped Gio Urshela out in a trade with the Angels while swinging a deal to bring in Kyle Farmer from the Reds. If no further changes to the infield mix are made, Minnesota would likely start the season with Jose Miranda at third base, Jorge Polanco at second, and Luis Arraez at first, with Farmer set to hold down shortstop until Royce Lewis returns from injury. With Lewis set to return sometime next season and 2022 draftee Brooks Lee already at Double-A, the Twins could conceivably be content to hand Farmer the keys to the position, transitioning him to more of a utility role once one of the youngsters is ready to displace him. There’s been mutual interest in a Correa reunion, but with big-market teams such as the Dodgers, Cubs, and Giants rumored to be looking to land a shortstop, it’s easy to see how the Twins could lose a bidding war. Still, it seems unlikely that the acquisition of a possible stopgap at shortstop would change Minnesota’s plans much with regards to Correa. Darren Wolfson of KSTP and 1500 SKOR North chatted with Twins president/CEO Dave St. Peter and center fielder Byron Buxton (video link) about the potential for a Correa reunion at last week’s event to unveil new Twins uniforms. The Athletic’s Dan Hayes wrote earlier in the month that the Twins would likely pursue Xander Bogaerts in the event that Correa signs elsewhere.
3. What’s Next For Angels After Urshela?
On the other end of the Urshela deal, the Angels have a more stable infield mix following his acquisition. Anthony Rendon and Jared Walsh figure to get the lion’s share of starts at the corners, assuming their injury woes in 2022 don’t follow them into next season. That leaves Urshela, David Fletcher, and Luis Rengifo to mix and match between second base, shortstop, and filling in at the corners. A prominent shortstop addition still remains possible, but the Angels can also turn their attention to the outfield, where they currently project to send out Jo Adell in left, Mike Trout in center, and Taylor Ward in right. While such an outfield configuration would be far from a disaster, after a trade of Brandon Marsh to the Phillies, the Angels lack depth; currently, Mickey Moniak projects to be their fourth outfielder. Trout will lock up center when healthy, but adding a corner bat to provide protection against continued struggles from Adell would make sense. A lefty such as David Peralta would help the Angels balance their righty-heavy outfield mix, though speculatively speaking, Trey Mancini could be an interesting fit as a player who can play the outfield corners while also providing Walsh platoon protection at first base. Both the Urshela trade and the recent signing of Tyler Anderson have deepened the Angels’ roster while leaving the door open for further moves of note. Deepening the outfield mix in similar fashion would be a sensible next step.
Andrew Jones and Scott Rolen should have already been in the HOF.
Yes on both, but the tough question about Rolen is whether to put a Phillies or a Cardinals hat on him.
He’s going in a Red to troll the HOF
The Hall, which now chooses the cap, likely will say the Phillies. His quality of play was similar for both teams, but the quantity says the Phillies, his original team, as he played one more season, had nearly 1000 more PAs, and appeared in 30% more games for them. Rolen could request no team logo on his cap as Mike Mussina recently did.
Rolen did not enjoy his time in Philly for whatever reason. If he gets in, I bet he’ll campaign (quietly) for a Cards cap or a blank one….no Phillies cap….
As an aside, I ran into him about a dozen times in his Philly days. I lived near Villanova U…..Tough guy to miss, but he always greeted people w/ a huge smile….
The writers have no idea who these guys are. Rolen’s accomplishments:
70.1 bWAR
5.3 bWAR/650 (Brooks Robinson had a 4.3)
7x AS
8x GG
He should’ve been a 1st ballot HOF, but 90% of the writers didn’t think he belonged. In the last four years, he hasn’t played a singled play, yet 53% of the writers changed their minds.
Fortunately, the 1st time voters favored Rolen by 84.6% and 86.7% in the past two years. I think he gets in this year.
Andruw will be a tough haul. I think he marginally belongs, but behind Rolen. and he is only at 44.9, but with 5 years left. He too has progressed from 7.3% to 41.4%. With Bonds, Clemens & Schilling off, there should be a lot more votes to go around.
@joe. It’s way past time to let the HOF MLB players to vote on the potential players going into the HOF. Most of the writers never even played pro ball. Let the best of the best vote on who gets to join them in the HOF. Granted their are a few guys on already who are borderline HOF guys but the majority are deserving the BBWAAA should stay out of it.
If you’ve ever heard MLB players try to ‘analyze’ a game and especially player values in the offseason, you know all too well why the HOF is decided by writers.
The better the player, the less they’ve had to think about what makes a player great. It’s one reason why so few stars become successful managers.
The players are absolutely the worst when it comes to career analysis. They incorporate personal emotion and jealousy.
Scott Rolen should be in the Phillies or Cards HOF but not Major League baseball’s
Agree. Rolen was never an elite player and his counting stats aren’t HOF worthy. I’m a WAR guy but WAR isn’t everything.
@JrodFunk5 “Never an elite player”??
In 2004 he hit .314/.409/.598/1.007 for a 157 OPS+ while playing GG defense. The very definition of elite.
Hit .286/.376/.518/.894 with a 130 OPS+ his first decade in the majors, winning 7 GGs in the process, 5 All Star games, and Rookie of the Year. .
You know who hasn’t hit that well? Nolan Arenado, even using raw slash line stats, despite playing in Colorado.
He ranks as one of the 10 greatest 3B’man ever. That’s good enough.
Jeff Kent too.
Jones doesn’t belong and Rolen is borderline. The HOF has gotten too soft.
Pete Rose should be on the list. After all, MLB is now in bed with gambling organizations and profiting by that association much more than Rose did by betting on games.
I would prefer to keep the hall free of people who took advantage of children but that’s just me. Rose is an awful excuse of a human being
Hope you don’t do any research on hall of famers from the early 1900s lol
Rose will never get in. He broke the one rule you can never break. He is forever banished.
Whether Pete Rose is a horrible person has no relevance on his hall of fame credentials. It’s not the Baseball Hall of good people Fame. Rose betting on baseball….just stupid, but I have a suspicion Pete is not one of the brightest lightbulbs and a hunch that Pete didn’t equate what he was doing with being wrong. Yes, that dim of a lightbulb. Putting stupid and horrible person aside, what Pete accomplished on the field from his all out hustle all the time to his stats, he is a hall of famer.
Please cite your info source.
Are you talking to me? Yahoo sports, New York daily news, Philadelphia inquirer… pretty much any news agency reported on Roses admission of having inappropriate relations with a woman under 16 years old.
Bend Over!
Google is your friend. Rose is a horrible person.
Trump hung around Jeffrey Epstein the king of pedoism and was elected president
your argument is invalid
and your lover.
Aragon sleeps with the man 3.
It’s uncalled for calling someone gay in MLB trade rumors. In fact it’s uncalled for period. Personal attacks are BS
So does ARod with women and not just relationships, but he’s a guy so…
Yes Dewey for the HOF!
The Hall is currently cluttered with individuals who used PEDS now. Witnesses have come forth. That has been broadcast on MLB Radio. I agree with the MLB radio broadcasters take. Rose should be placed in the Hall of Fame!! However—- not reinstated in Baseball
Put an asterisk by his name. Explaining in detail why he was kicked out of Baseball while betting on Cincinnati’s team as a non-player.
His Baseball stays far exceeds some of the guilty inductee over the past 10 years.
As much as I dislike the PED guys, they took steroids to win. Big Papi got juiced up to mash the ball.
Gamblers don’t always want to win. In fact, they often prefer to lose…so that way they win.
Fans gambling in the stands aren’t in position to throw games. Players and managers are.
Huge difference.
And in Rose’s case, his management and record in the games he didn’t bet is suspect at best.
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As a kid growing up in Chicago in the 70’s Pete Rose was my very favorite player. He does NOT belong in the HOF for a multitude of reasons.
This has been discussed to death for the past 3 decades. Let it go. He’s never getting in nor should he. Just trust your elders on this.
My elders are dead, hard to trust them
Plus Rosé’s accomplishments were as a player, his gambling as a manager
There’s hard proof he bet as a player, too. So that argument (which I made prior to the proof) is null.
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I don’t agree with you much. But calling someone gay is BS
Moral of the story: Don’t bet on baseball but if you do, don’t be stupid enough to sign your name to the document agreeing to the lifetime ban.
Pete “I like them younger than Jimmy Page did” agreed to his lifetime ban. He’s not getting in.
In Page’s defense, Lori Mattix was hot. LOL
YUP!
MLB approves of fans betting on baseball, not personel – nor will they ever fit good reason.
Forgot FTX.
They absolutely will – it’s now tradition.
A-Rod’s announcing destroyed any possibility of him getting into the hall of fame. He’s ruining baseball through his announcing.
There might be another issue or two.
His relationship with J-Lo takes him down a few notches and the fact she left him for Ben Afleck makes it even funnier. They all suck lol
I forgot about (blocked out of my mind) J-Lo and her song Taco Flavored Kisses. A-Rod will never get in.
J-Lo changes men like most change their clothes
It is funny to see him on a panel with a bunch of hall of famers who get announced as such and then there’s A-Rod making his self deprecating comments about the hall like he doesn’t care.
I think the writers will vote in Rolen. The veterans will vote in Fred McGriff.
“…where they currently project to send out Jo Adell in left…”
We have had horrible production from LF for years. Adell is not the answer! Please!
gutless guy masquerading as a manager was ruining adell. of course the command came from upstairs. send him to aaa for a full season.
Adell had an SLG over .500 in the upper minors. He’ll be 23. He’s played CF. He’ll be fine and probably more than that in LF
Adell can’t hit big league pitching and his defense stinks.
Oh, you’re one of those.
One of what”s?
we all know he has power. but he needs to cut k’s. he should hit for singles and doubles and in turn cut down on k’s.
Jack – None of Adell’s time in the majors has shown he belongs there. You can’t look at his minor league numbers and hope they translate to the majors. It’s actually been clear that they don’t translate. And his strike out rate in the minors was still horrible. I’m not saying he’s never going to be good. I’m saying he needs to spend a full year at AAA without even a glimpse at the majors to hone his talent. He’s yet to spend a full year at any level of the minors. It’s doing him a disservice.
A lot of us like to rag on the Angels, but when you compare them to most other teams, they really don’t have *that* many holes. They just need to stay freakin healthy. If they can stay healthy, esp if Rendon can man up and play an entire season wearing Angel red for once, then they’re basically an OF and a decent closer away from contention. No, they’re not the Astros or the Yankees, but if healthy, they’re at least the Phillies. IF HEALTHY. I’m looking at you Anthony.
Rendon said he wanted to retire early before he signed with the Angels. He’s retiring on the job. Milking the “injuries.” He has no interest in playing. Expect it to continue.
Yeah Rendon definitely has the appearance of a milker. Which is crazy to think about because he was a rock as a National. I get injuries; they happen. But Rendon seems like the kind of guy who doesn’t play unless he’s 100% (Mike Trout may be the same way).
That’s one thing you can say about Pujols: for the most part, the dude played through his injuries. It may have looked like he was running on broken glass, but he was still out there driving in runs.
Rendon is a role model for all of us quiet quitters:)
Wil Meyers is also a good fit here. Better defensively than Mancini, capable of covering first.
In a vacuum, Beltran’s career is easily worthy of getting voted into the hall of fame. I just wonder if being one of the masterminds of the Astros cheating scandal is going to sway a large enough group of voters away
It might mean he doesn’t make it on the first ballot, which he otherwise should.
That’s what I think.
Mastermind. The whole scandal was his concoction. He just needed the others to go along with it. He brought it from NY, then returned to NY after 2017 as their video room coach no less. mmm
Correct Francisco Rodriquez link:;
baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodrifr03.shtml
Beltran is a HOF’er statistically but even more so once you factor in his defense, the fact that he’s a switch hitter, a center fielder and the most efficient base stealer of all time. Granted there will be the people who want him executed for his one year in Houston but excepting those people out it’d be difficult to say he’s not a hall of famer.
The 2017 cheating scandal precludes him and all the other Astros hitters from ever sniffing the HOF
True & if he gets in then Pete Rose needs another sniff.
And some crappy franchises like yours should be precluded from playing baseball
Did the Astros benefit from cheating in 2017? What is a good analysis to read?
if it did not help them why did they cheat?
I think the 2017 Astros probably benefited from cheating. Stroh seems pretty knowledgeable about the Astros, so I thought I would ask him.
Check out Marwin Gonzalez and Josh reddick bbref pages and make your own decision
Marwin Gonzalez career OPS+ prior to 2017: 90
Marwin Gonzalez OPS+ in 2017: 146
Marwin Gonzales OPS+ post 2017: 83
When a guy who is supposed to hit like a utility scrub is mashing like a prime Bregman, the cheating definitely helped.
Got it. Thanks.
Altuve is a HOF’er
Verlander and Altuve will make it in easily.
He played there for 1 year and his .230 his worst statistical season with an OBP under .290. It obvious didn’t help him. If the HOF is only a place for perfect people it will be an empty hall, and you’d have to go in and remove most of the players already in it.
Without Beltran Houston never experiments with electronic sign stealing.
@put it in the books, Davey Lopes might have something to say about most efficient base stealer. Beltran only ran 361 times, an average of 18 attempts per season in his career. He was 312/361 86 percent success rate and it is better than Davey’s 83%, but Lopes ran 671 times an average of 42 attempts per season. 557/671 83% vs 312/361 86%. You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. Lopes was better.
You also miss 100% of the shots you miss, so…
The original point stands. Lopes may well have been the more valuable basestealer (deducting Beltran’s better rate numbers still leaves Lopes with 245 SB / 65 CS, a very good thing), but Beltran was indeed more efficient, particularly important in the steroid environment where a caught stealing was more costly than at probably any other time in baseball history.
@JackStrawb if there were a “Dave Robert’s” steal situation, the season on the line, Davey Lopes over Carlos Beltran all day long.
The stat I always saw was over 300 SB’s he was the most efficient of all time. Which he is. But yea Lopes had a lot more chances to see that % diminish but it didn’t much. Beltran also stole a lot early on but at age 31 or so stopped probably as he started having some injuries around then. So for a guy who played 20 years the attempts per year dropped a lot when he didn’t run for the last 10.
I remember when Jeff Kent was on Survivor.
Well he’ll be voted off the HOF ballot island soon.
Angels need a lefty or switch hitter that can get some hits or walks with lower strikeouts. Good defense would work too. David Peralta, Jurickson Profar, trade for Alex Verdugo, or Jake McCarthy. Free agent Andrew Benintendi. Another starter, a few solid relievers and a closer. A healthy team and they should be a contender.
I definitely wouldn’t mind seeing Jake McCarthy in an Angels uniform. Not sure the Diamondbacks would part with him easily though.
Yes to Helton. Yes it’s Coors. But the consistency is nearly uncanny and the defensive prowess puts him over the top, imo.
Looking at the offensive numbers, I want Scottie Rolen to be borderline. Then I remembered that he’s the greatest 3b of his generation and realized that he needs to get it.
The greatest of his generation? I’d take both Chipper and Beltre over him.
Defensively, is what I meant. I may take Adrian over him in their prime defensively, certainly not chipper.
I’d take Rolen over Chipper defensively, yes. But I’d go with Beltre defensively hands down.
The defensive numbers (rPM, DRS, UZR, UZR/150) back that up too.
Rollie also had 3 more gold gloves which is nothing to sniff at in the discussion.
Gold Gloves mean nothing. Rafael Palmeiro won one in 1999 after only playing 28 games at 1B.
Gold gloves mean NOTHING?
I’m gonna have to disagree. Awards are what they are; a matter of opinion, which is exactly what we’re exchanging right now.
It speaks to his peak defensively; that Rolen was able to achieve more defensive accolades in a shorter career than Beltre.
Certainly. Gold gloves mean SOMETHING. If not for the sake of your determined (for some reason) argument. Both great players
Yes, Gold Gloves mean squat. Beltre has Rolen beat at every defensive metric. Numbers are objective.
Rolen and Kent should be voted in by the writers and the players committee can finally vote in the Crime Dog!
@Rsox, don’t you have just a tiny bit of suspicion that Kent was in Barry Bonds locker from time to time. Through age 28 he was pretty ho-hum and then in 1997 he goes to the Giants and becomes a monster. The timing of his rebirth as a player is intriguing.
What i see is a 2B that had a pair of 20 HR seasons with the Mets before going to the Giants and then with Bonds hitting in front of him rattled of 6 straight 100 RBI seasons (could have been 9 if he didn’t miss 32 games and come up 7 RBI’s short in 2003 with the Astros). To my knowledge Kent has never been accused of anything and it is fairly well known that he and Bonds didn’t really get along so i doubt Barry was sharing any of his “flaxseed oil” with him
Scott Rolen is Dwight Evans at third.
Thanks for bringing up Dwight Evans. He was such a great player but hardly gets talked about.
Todd Helton doesn’t get near enough love. For sure HOFer
Clemens had no business winning either of his last 2 Cy Young awards. He should have won it easily in his season with the 1.87 ERA but apparently people only cared about wins still.
How Randy Johnson didn’t win in 2004 is mind-boggling.
bWAR – led 8.4 to 5.4
ERA = led 2.60 to 2.94
IP – threw 31.`1 more innings
Strikeouts – 72(!) more
WHIP – better WHIP by FAR – 0.90 to 1.16
Today, the Unit probably wins unanimously, but going 16-14 vs. Clemens’ 18-4 doomed him.
Keeping out people for cheating?
Fine.
Keeping players out because of politics?
Ridiculous
Hall of Fame is a joke. (Cue outrage)
The Rock n Roll HOF is a joke, too
Dolly Parton was recently inducted
Schilling’s politics do indeed suck, particularly in the context of his sucking at the RI govt teat for his business and costing those dopes tens of millions of dollars, but he’s still a HOF pitcher. What does he have… roughly 80 rWAR?
There are 268 players in the hall of fame. Only 36 of them received 90 percent of the vote. Why is 75% considered a threshold? There should be a special wing for the 36 that received 90 plus percent, they are the HOFers of the HOFers.
Player Year Voters Votes Percentage
Mariano Rivera 2019 425 425 100.00%
Derek Jeter 2020 397 396 99.74%
Ken Griffey, Jr. 2016 440 437 99.32%
Tom Seaver 1992 430 425 98.84%
Nolan Ryan 1999 497 491 98.79%
Cal Ripken, Jr 2007 545 537 98.53%
Ty Cobb 1936 226 222 98.23%
George Brett 1999 497 488 98.19%
Hank Aaron 1982 415 406 97.83%
Tony Gwynn 2007 545 532 97.61%
Randy Johnson 2015 549 534 97.27%
Greg Maddux 2014 571 555 97.20%
Chipper Jones 2018 422 410 97.16%
Mike Schmidt 1995 460 444 96.52%
Johnny Bench 1989 447 431 96.42%
Steve Carlton 1994 455 436 95.82%
Babe Ruth 1936 226 215 95.13%
Honus Wagner 1936 226 215 95.13%
Rickey Henderson 2009 539 511 94.81%
Willie Mays 1979 432 409 94.68%
Carl Yastrzemski 1989 447 423 94.63%
Bob Feller 1962 160 150 93.75%
Reggie Jackson 1993 423 396 93.62%
Ted Williams 1966 302 282 93.38%
Stan Musial 1969 340 317 93.24%
Vladimir Guerrero 2018 422 392 92.89%
Roberto Clemente 1973 424 393 92.69%
Jim Palmer 1990 444 411 92.57%
Brooks Robinson 1983 374 344 91.98%
Tom Glavine 2014 571 525 91.94%
Wade Boggs 2005 516 474 91.86%
Ozzie Smith. 2002 472 433 91.74%
Pedro Martinez 2015 549 500 91.07%
Christy Mathewson1936 226 205 90.71%
Rod Carew 1991 443 401 90.52%
Roberto Alomar 2011 581 523 90.01%
Good effort, Wampum.
Pedro at 91% – hard to figure.
Impressive list of HOF players.
Most, if not all, should have been unanimous choices
NO EXCUSES
A chunk of the voters were/are MORONS .
I get what you’re saying, but the problem is that the percentages are decided by the writers who voted, many of which don’t know that they’re doing, have weird arbitrary rules, or both.
The fact that players like Griffey, Gwynn, Pedro, Maddux, etc., did not get 100% of the vote is honestly mind boggling. There are writers who actually thought they weren’t worthy of the HOF!? What criteria could these people possibly have that were not met by some of the greatest players ever? And why are they allowed to vote? Additionally, there are some voters that think some players aren’t ‘first ballot’ so they will wait years to vote for them. That’s also stupid.
Here’s a possible solution (maybe) – no limits on how many players can be on a specific ballot. I know some writers think things like, ‘Well Gwynn is definitely getting in so I’ll use that vote to give another player some love.’ That shouldn’t happen. No limits, but each player gets one shot – either they’re hall of famers, or they aren’t. Change up the voting body. Make it something like 20% writers and the rest can be comprised of retired players, umpires, executives, something like that – people who were involved in the game. Finally, and I know this one would be more difficult to enforce, but it should be clearly stated – players are voted on based SOLELY on their performance. Not their politics, not based on cheating rumors, not if they were a nice guy or not. Was their play on the field worthy of the hall of fame or not? That’s it.
Signing of Correa was a fan pacifying move by ownership in what was a Boras driven contract offer. Twinkies had to agree to the contract to prevent both fan outrage and MLB embarrassment. This was never viewed as anything more than a one and done by either side. Correa will never again play for the Twins unless no other team steps up to the plate and another team friendly contract offer is put forth by Boras. Remember the team owner is Jim Pohlad, who learned business from Daddy., Carl (Mr Cheap) Pohlad. The Pohlad family embraces the Fred Flintstone philosophy of business, “You’re only friend is a buck and the more bucks you’ve got, the more friends you’ve got.”
Great idea. Thanks for proffering a system that effectively places Jeter above Babe Ruth.
ruth was a friend of mobs and an alcoholic. not sure he would have a long career in today’s game.
Looking forward to this interesting and important off season for the Halos. They don’t need a lot…just mostly health and production from the bottom of the batting order. Anderson and Urshela are big improvements from this past season. I’d like to see them get a better SS and corner outfielder and push every down as depth. The pen needs some help and a clear closer with Iggy gone. But first…get this team sold to someone that wants to build a winning team and let Perry do his thing…buckle up! It’s going to be a bumpy ride these next few months
I’m still baffled anyone thinks Gio is somehow covering SS
ohyeadam;
He’ll play more LF and 1B than SS….well as 3B.
Throw out the depth chart. They’ll bring in yet another position player that can be moved around the field. It’s 11/21 – their off-season is hardly done…and they’ll make moves during the season.
Bonds should be in the hall!
Also the times Rose “conveniently” didn’t bet on his own team and left his starting pitcher in ti get shelled.
I know it’s a separate vote but it’s time for the crime dog Fred McGriff to get voted in.
Scott Rolen is not a HOFer. If he is, then Dale Murphy, Andruw Jones, Fred McGriff, and many others should be in already.
Andruw Jones was well on his way to being a Hall of Famer, then he turned 30, left the Braves, and the wheels came completely off.
5 All Star appearances, 10 straight Gold Gloves, and 368 HR’s all by his 30 season. Jones was Mike Trout before Mike Trout was mike Trout.
Perhaps the players eventually vote Jones in, he certainly deserves it solely based off of his Braves career numbers
I dont know how anyone could think Scott Rolen doesnt deserve to be in the HOF. He is in the top 10 3rd basemen of all time. And I absolutely think Rose should be in the HOF… it is NOT the Hall of good human beings. He is one of the greatest hitters period! That’s where the argument ends. It has nothing to do with the garbage human being he is!
Schilling is one of the biggest tools in the shed, but he belongs in the Hall.
Can’t stand him or Clemens, both are HOF ers. Did it clean and dirty. McGuire is a no for me.
Hall of Scoundrels
Not sure I would vote for anyone in this class…