The Phillies have agreed to a three-year contract extension with president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski, reports Jim Salisbury of NBC Sports Philadelphia (Twitter links). He was already signed through 2024, meaning Dombrowski will now run baseball operations in Philadelphia through the 2027 season. The team announced the extension shortly after Salisbury’s report.
Hired as the first person to ever hold the “president of baseball operations” title for the Phillies back in 2020, Dombrowski is now set to be entrenched atop the Phillies’ baseball operations hierarchy for another half decade.
It’s been a short but thus-far successful run for Dombrowski, even if a majority of the Phillies’ 2022 World Series roster — including Bryce Harper, Zack Wheeler, Aaron Nola, Ranger Suarez, Rhys Hoskins, Jean Segura and Seranthony Dominguez — was inherited from the prior regime. Dombrowski was running the ship when the team agreed to re-sign catcher J.T. Realmuto to a five-year contract, and the first year of his four-year investment in Kyle Schwarber has paid considerable dividends. Trades made to acquire Jose Alvarado, David Robertson, Kyle Gibson, Garrett Stubbs, Noah Syndergaard and Edmundo Sosa have all worked out well thus far.
Beyond the players on the field, Dombrowski deserves credit for the leadership placed around them. The decision to fire veteran manager Joe Girardi, who was hired as skipper before Dombrowski joined the organization, and replace him with bench coach Rob Thomson was likely not one that was made lightly. Dombrowski also brought hitting coach Kevin Long into the fold in the 2021-22 offseason and has already extended him through the 2025 season.
As with any baseball operations leader, Dombrowski’s tenure in Philadelphia contains its share of both hits and misses. A two-year deal to re-sign Didi Gregorius proved regrettable, and the free-agent moves made to address the bullpen (Jeurys Familia, Brad Hand, Archie Bradley, Corey Knebel) haven’t panned out as hoped.
Looking specifically at the past year, the Phils entered the 2021-22 offseason with glaring holes both at shortstop and in center field, and neither was addressed heading into the 2022 season. Rather than addressing those areas and looking to improve a team known as one of the worst defensive clubs in the league over the past ten years or so, the Dombrowski-led Phillies instead inked Schwarber and Nick Castellanos to long-term contracts, committing to playing one in the field full-time in the process. Now, with Harper set for elbow surgery and likely in need of increased DH time in 2023, both Castellanos and Schwarber will again be thrust into regular defensive work. Castellanos’ first year with the Phils was a disappointment, and he’ll be looking for a rebound effort in 2023.
At shortstop, Dombrowski bucked the “farm system destroyer” narrative and held onto top prospect Bryson Stott, giving him a chance at the everyday job even in spite of a stacked free-agent class of shortstops last winter. Stott didn’t hit much and looked better at second base than at shortstop, though, and the Phillies now seem poised to be players in what is again a deep collection of shortstops.
Still, the decision to hang onto Stott and top pitching prospects Andrew Painter, Mick Abel and Griff McGarry runs somewhat counter to Dombrowski’s prior penchant for aggressive trades that thin out the top end of a farm system in the name of win-now moves. The only truly high-end prospect he’s traded away is catcher Logan O’Hoppe, who was facing a Realmuto-sized roadblock to playing time in Philadelphia. That swap brough Brandon Marsh to the Phils, and the early returns during the regular season were strong: Marsh slashed .288/.319/.455 with the Phillies, and the hope is that he can hold down the fort in center field on a long-term basis.
Setting aside the dissection of Dombrowski’s transactions in a still relatively limited tenure with the organization, it’s clear that owner John Middleton is comfortable working with Dombrowski and believes he and GM Sam Fuld are the right pairing to continue guiding the Phillies’ World Series aspirations. Dombrowski has won World Series titles with two different organizations and has now overseen World Series berths with a whopping four organizations. That type of success across multiple franchises is generally unparalleled, and Dombrowski now potentially has five more opportunities to secure his third World Series ring with his third different organization.
JockStrap
He must be thrilled that an organization rather extend vs fire him.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
He only got fired from Boston because they wanted to go in a different direction. He got us 18.
JockStrap
Tigers also fired him…
SportsFan0000
Tigers now deceased owner Mike Illitch made a very low class move in firing Dombrowski with a tacky phone call. Illitch did not even have the class to fire Dombrowski in person after Dombrowski inherited a Tigers team that was a cellar dweller for 15 years.
The Tigers had terrible farm system when Dombrowski was hired. Dombrowski rebuilt that team and farm system from scratch and had that Tigers team in the World Series in 4 years!
Dombrowski built the Tigers into contenders for 8-10 years
with Multiple Division Titles and Wild Cards,
2 AL Championships, multiple trips to the ALCS, 2 Trips to the World Series etc…
Dombrowski’s Tigers once had a starting rotation of:
1) Justin Verlander
2) Max Scherzer
3) David Price
4) Anibal Sanchez
5) Rick Porcello
6) Drew Smiley (in the pen in the playoffs)
7) Robbie Ray (getting his feet wet in the majors).
Worst move the Illitch family ever made was firing Dombrowski
who told Mike Illitch that it was time to retool and/or rebuild the ballclub.
He was correct and the Illich’s were incorrect with their firing of Dombrowksi.
SportsFan0000
JockStrap
In fairness to Dombrowski, his contract was up in Detroit.
He didn’t really get “fired” .
It was more like a non renewal of an expiring contract.
And, according to Dombrowski, he was not certain that he would
have renewed/extended his expiring contract in Detroit even if it was offered.
Other teams and opportunities were available.
He became a “free agent”.,
Dombrowski spend over 10 years in Detroit and lead that to their most successful period in the modern baseball era.
Detroit Ownership was not willing to approve a retooling
and/or rebuilding at that time when the Tigers desperately needed to get younger and more athletic.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dombrowski refused to run the Red Sox like the Rays, that’s why he was let go.
I give him credit for his integrity, 2019 wasn’t his fault.
waitsfornoone
You forgot Doug Fister as one of the standout starting pitchers.
MarlinsFanBase
From a Marlins and Florida POV:
Marlins fans thank Dombrowski for 1997 and for setting the team up for 2003.
Marlins fans are happy that John Henry is gone…and his buddy Loria…and his other buddy Selig.
Tampa Bay Lightning fans are super thrilled that the NHL did not allow Henry to purchase them prior to the Marlins because he was already claiming to be impoverished when they asked him about his potential for building the team out of his own finances.
Congrats to Dombrowski. Wish he never left our team. Sadly, Henry let him know here in Miami that he wasn’t going to pay big payrolls until he got a stadium deal.
Deadguy
I love it when knowledge lays the smack down
vtbaseball
Amen, fever!
SportsFan0000
Selig, John Henry, Tom Werner also stabbed the Expos and their fans in their backs with the Exchange of Franchises (Miami for Boston with the Expos
being moved to DC)
One good thing that Selig did was to not let Henry strip the Marlins of their players and take those players that Dombrowski built for the Marlins
to the Boston Red Sox when Henry took over that franchise.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski had already been through that BS with the Marlins a
and the Expos, so he rode off into the sunset
and rescued the Detroit Tigers franchise from their 15 year hiatus
at the bottom of the AL: Central Division
and built the Tigers into AL Champions!
Salvi
“He only got fired from Boston because they wanted to go in a different direction”
—————–
‘You won us a WS, and we really like you, but we want to go in a different directions. Youre FIRE.’
Even you cant believe thats true.
vtadave
Yeah that never happens, especially this year, right?
all in the suit that you wear
“But here’s the deal: the reasons the Red Sox hired Dombrowski no longer existed. What they need now, at least in the vision of owner John Henry, is a process-oriented architect who can steer the franchise efficiently through a difficult transition toward its next championship team. That person was not the 63-year-old Dombrowski.
“Dave was the kind of guy who didn’t have much a process,” said one source familiar with the team’s thinking. “He is very good at making decisions right now based on instincts and advice. John likes a more process-oriented approach. And based on where the team is right now–the next couple of years could be rough–they don’t trust him to make those decisions.”
“The next Boston president/general manager is going to have to sell Henry on a detail-oriented plan of how to retool the team.”
cbssports.com/mlb/news/why-did-the-red-sox-cut-tie…
Pads Fans
John Henry and the Fenway Group were in negotiation to buy the Pittsburgh Penguins and to build a long awaited new stadium for the Liverpool F.C. in fall 2019. Because of COVID the purchase of the Penguins was not finalized until 2021 and the stadium in Liverpool has been put on a backburner. .
The change of direction for the Red Sox was to limit payroll and reset the CBT tax so that they could instead invest that money in the other ventures. They did that in both 2020 and 2021.
I would expect the Red Sox to once again ratchet up payroll in an attempt to have a couple playoff runs in the next 3 or 4 seasons.
A few years back Henry said, “You can’t win in any sport without heavily concentrating on revenue generation, You have to be relentless in that regard if you are going to be able to afford the kind of players you need to compete at the highest level. There simply is no way around that.”
In MLB you cannot maximize revenue without having consistent playoff runs. Bloom has had one in his 3 years and won’t have one in 2023 when the Red Sox once again dip way under the CBT threshold.
I don’t think Bloom will be around for the next run. Henry is going to allow him to take the heat for allowing Betts, Boegarts, and Devers to leave or be traded. Then a new GM will complete the retooling for 2024.
User 401527550
That’s exactly what happened. The owner wanted a more money ball approach to the GM role instead of just paying tons of money.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski got fired in Boston in a power struggle in the Front Office,
It appears that Sam Kennedy ( marketing guy, not a baseball guy)
forced Dombrowski out of the Red Sox Front Office in a “power struggle” and convinced John Henry and Tom Werner that
Dombrowski was a destroyer of teams and not a builder
( a COMPLETELY FALSE NARRATIVE).
John Henry should have know better since Henry and Dombrowski worked together with the Marlins. Henry purchased the Marlins before he moved to Boston and purchased the Red Sox.
Henry was Dombrowski’s boss for a few years in Florida before Dombrowski left for Detroit and Henry left to buy and run the Red Sox.
Dombrowski had built and won 1 World Series Championship with the expansion Marlins .(1997)
Then, Marlins Ownership (Wayne Huzienga Blockbuster Entertainment) ordered a teardown of that Marlins team so he could sell it for maximum profits..
Dombrowski’s trades and Drafts built the core of the Marlins
2nd World Series Championship 2003.
The 2nd Marlins Championship was won with players acquired by Dombrowski in trades and building the farm system with drafts.
Miguel Cabrera was one of the players Dombrowski drafted in Miami.
Dombrowski left the Marlins for Detroit in 2002. The 2nd championship was won with a team stocked with Dombrowski’s players in 2003.
John Henry sold the Marlins and acquired the Red Sox and left Miami in 2002..
Red Sox Front office power struggles also forced out
Theo Epstein (Larry Lucchino CEO) and
Ben Cherrington.
SportsFan0000
all in the suit that you wear
Stop quoting Boston Red Sox press releases justifying
their terrible front office decisions.
Dombrowski built some of the best farm systems in baseball that churned out future all stars in both Montreal and Miami.
Montreal and Miami were owned and run by tight fisted, cheap owners
who refused to spend big money on their teams.
The Montreal and Miami franchises refused to spend big money and were run like Tampa Rays before the Rays existed.
Montreal had the best record in baseball and was a World Series contender in 1994,with players that Dombrowski drafted and traded for.
The MLB baseball strike killed the Expos chance of winning their 1st World Series and very likely killed MLB baseball in Montreal since Montreal was considering building a new stadium prior to the baseball strike.
At that time, Dombrowski had left for Miami to built the expansion
Marlins farm system and player roster into World Champions in record time.
Stop quoting Boston Red Sox press releases justifying
their terrible front office decisions.
The Red Sox Front Office has had multiple “power struggles” and
thrown many excellent baseball executives under the bus including Theo Epstein and Ben Cherrington.
Theo Epstein was hired as an Intern in The San Diego Padres Front Office.(+ Jed Hoyer and others) and they followed him to Boston.
Lucchino was a micromanager that wouldn’t let go of his Front Office power when Epstein and others were ready to fully take over and make decisions). That lead to Epstein walking away from the Red Sox 1X.
Then, going back. And, finally Epstein walked away from the Red Sox for good..
Lucchino was a great Exec for the Orioles, Padres and Red Sox.
But, he was a micromanager and had trouble giving up decision-making
to his young Execs that he had mentored and trained.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski had an excellent “process”
in: Montreal, Miami, Detroit, Philadelphia and even Boston.
No unbiased observer is buying this Red Sox false narrative.
all in the suit that you wear
SportsFan0000: I quoted Tom Verducci of SI. It wasn’t even disparaging of DD. It just explained John Henry’s thinking.
SportsFan0000
Verducci is an East Coast guy who covers Yankees and Red Sox.
His source is probably someone working for the Red Sox.
That taints his analysis.
SportsFan0000
Billy Beane of the Oakland A’s turned down the turned down John Henry and the RedSox’s offer to run a “money ball” operation with the Red Sox with a higher spending budget.
Henry hired analytics and implemented Beane’s money ball scheme in Boston, but also spent more money with a bigger budget.
SportsFan0000
Dave “didn’t have much process”?!
How to you build a Marlins expansion team with zero players into a
2 X World Series Champion in record time with “no process”?!
Maybe the Red Sox analytics computer made the decision to fire Dombrowski LMFAO.
OR maybe it was John Henry, Tom Werner and Sam Kennedy?!
all in the suit that you wear
SportsFan: I have nothing against DD. Just trying to get at the truth. It doesn’t look like the Red Sox were out to bash DD. Here is a quote from John Henry:
“Just because we see things differently doesn’t mean he’s not a great general manager,” John Henry said. “I have tremendous respect for him. I was very hopeful at the end of the World Series that we would end up working together for the long term. It didn’t turn out that way.”
masslive.com/redsox/2019/09/boston-red-sox-owner-j…
DakotaJoe
thumbs down
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski was extended multiple times with the Expos, Marlins and Tigers.
The Tigers situation was actually a non renewal of his contract for the 4th or 5th time.
Dombrowski was trying to push ownership into a much needed “retooling” or rebuild.
Mike Illitch refused to go in that mode even though it was the only viable option at that time.
Dave D and Mike I were not on the same page at the end of his tenure in Detroit.
Dombrowski knew if he left Detroit, that he would get multiple offers from other ballclubs to take over.
The Red Sox called Dombrowski within a week of him leaving Detroit.
GMoney2850
lol. What did he even do besides sign Schwarber and Castellanos to those ridiculous deals and trade away a top 50 prospect for Brandon Marsh?
……..
Right. Squad will be in the exact same shape as the ‘15-‘22 Tigers once they all hit their mid-30s in a couple years here. Yikes
Rishi
There are worse deals to have then the Schwarber and Castellanos deals.I think Castellanos will rebound and Schwarber was productive. Marsh is very young (24 and was himself on prospect lists not too long ago) and a top 50 prospect is usually not what it’s cracked up to be. They already have a great catcher anyway. I’d rather he trade a prospect for a guy controlled thru 2027 then for a rental like most teams.
User 401527550
Those deals look worse if it prevents them from signing Turner. I believe Turner could be a huge addition for the Phillies.
VonPurpleHayes
Phillies have plenty of money coming off the books. They have playoff profits and are willing to spend. Those deals won’t necessarily prevent Turner.
User 401527550
Well if they get Turner then they might have the best offense in baseball going forward.
Salvi
Nick Pivetta and Connor Seabold for who?
VonPurpleHayes
That was Klentak. Previous regime. He was awful, but Pivetta couldn’t pitch in Philly. He stunk.
Bart Harley Jarvis
‘Nick Pivetta and Connor Seabold for who?’ = trading mediocre pitching for bad pitching. Let’s hope the RedSox aren’t building a rotation around a fifth starter and a long reliever.
Salvi
“Nick Pivetta is a 5th starter”
He led the league in starts this year. Accumulated 63 starts, 5.2 WAR in 2 years.
Do you even know what a 5th starter is? Can you list many more 5th starters with 5.2 WAR in last 2 years? Im all ears.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yes. Yes. Happy to hear about abundance of ears.
User 401527550
Pivetta’s war over the last two years is 3.7. Yes that is easily replaceable as a number 5 starter.
Pads Fans
WAR is a counting stat. The more you pitch, the higher your possible WAR. His 333.2 IP is 28th.
His 5.2 WAR in two seasons means was about league average. League average for starting pitchers was 2.4 WAR each season.
His ERA+ was 97 which is worse then league average. His FIP is 4.36 which is also worse than league average. His 4.28 xFIP is also worse then league average.
We always called this guy an innings eater. Not a good starting pitcher, a #4 or #5 starter, but he will stay healthy and take the ball every 5th day.
They have value, they are just not good.
Salvi
3.7 WAR? Baseball Ref has it at 5.2.
So name names, give me ONE 5th starter who produced 5.2 over the past 2 years. That would mean the teams other 4 starters gave more than that. Im waiting.
Salvi
“The more you pitch”
Pitching more means YOUR NOT A FIFTH starter. Fifth starters get skipped all the time. Rain outs, off days. When your the 5th starter they skip you.
Hes a #2 on a bad team, which the Red Sox are. He’s a #3 on an average team, he’s a #4 on a really good team. He is a #5 on ZERO teams.
Bruin1012
Reedsox we may have some disagreements but Pivetta was very solid for Boston. The average fan doesn’t realize how important a guy is that takes the ball every 5 days and pitches a lot of innings. In fact if you look at bullpens the best are usually the least worked. I know there are exceptions but as a rule if your staters are averaging 4 innings your bullpen is going to be worse then a team who’s starters average over 5 innings. Pivetta is an undervalued pickup by Bloom.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yeah, Pivetta being a third starter on a bad team does correspond to him being a fifth starter on an average or good team. It’s not that difficult a concept to grasp. Deep breathes, deep breathes…
VonPurpleHayes
He was literally a #5 on the Phillies and he stunk. Happy he was able to become halfway decent in Boston, but the man was given every opportunity in Philly. He needed a change bad.
VonPurpleHayes
Phillies went from the worst bullpen in baseball to being one of the better ones, without giving up a prospect. That’s his greatest claim to fame for the Phillies. Also, Marsh is young. So sure, he traded away O’Hoppe for Marsh, but they got their CF for the next few years and got to a World Series. The key piece of all this is, the Phillies didn’t trade away any of their untouchable young pitchers.
GMoney2850
Marsh isn’t good, in case any of you hadn’t noticed. Massive K rates with no power isn’t typically a winning combo.
Anyone can put together a good bullpen lol. And Seranthony was there before he arrived
Astros2017&22Champs
And if building a pen is so simple then why does half the league’s stink. Even my Astros pen was brutal a few years back. Probably the single biggest reason we dominated this year in the postseason.
bigdaddyt
Building the pen is simple.. okay bud
VonPurpleHayes
Marsh is only 2 years away from being a top prospect in another team’s system. His offense drastically improved under Kevin Long. More importantly, he plays a defensive position and he plays it well. I’m not saying Marsh is an All-Star, but the Phillies traded O’ Hoppe…we don’t even know how good O’Hoppe will be and he plays a position that the Phillies are already deep in. If DD traded one of the Phils pitching prospects away for Marsh you’d have an argument, but they didn’t.
Sorry. I think you’re a little off base here. Phillies just broke a decade+ playoff drought and made it to the World Series.
GMoney2850
We know O’Hoppe is putting up 16% BB rates in the minors as a catcher and Marsh is K’ing 35% of the time with a .120 ISO in the majors in over 700 PA.
That much we do know. Lookin pretty damn lopsided
GMoney2850
Anyone can put together a decent pen for a year, yes. Let’s see how these geriatrics do next year
VonPurpleHayes
Let’s see what O’Hoppe does in the majors before we judge. Also, let’s see what Marsh does for the next few years.
Salvi
Nick Pivetta and Connor Seabold for RPs, Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree. Wasn’t Seabold a prospect?
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
@ReedSox that wasn’t Dombrowski’s deal, that was the guy before him
VonPurpleHayes
That was Klentak not DD.
HardensBeardHasFleas
Von they want to pick at a team that went to the series. A starter and shortstop away from going again. Plenty of cash to spend, a team players want to play for and a owner willing to spend.
JoeBrady
His offense drastically improved under Kevin Long.
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His BABIP improved drastically-nothng else did. He had an unsustainable .398. He’s young enough that he can improve, but if he repeats his 41/7 K/W with 1 HR/44 ABs, those numbers will go south quickly.
YourDreamGM
I agree with GMoney2850. To get good relievers all you need to do is pay them 10 to 20 million a year or trade Teoscar Hernandez.
Pads Fans
Marsh was VERY good hitter for the Phillies. Getting away from the dysfunction in Anaheim was good for him. He was a better than average defensive center fielder all season. He is 24 years old.
Its obvious from this and other posts that the concept of what makes a good player is completely beyond your ability to understand.
GMoney2850
Mmmmm no. See above post – .400 BABIP, 4% BB, 29% K. That’s like Jorge Alfaro-level bad.
We get it tho – you’re looking at like BA or ribeyez or whatever other stats were en vogue in like1982.
Know less ball, brah
Yankeepride88
Controllable CF that plays above average defense at a premium spot and has a 116 OPS+ with the Phillies in 40 games.
Seems like a pretty valuable position to me especially when the Phillies don’t need him to hit when they have Harper, Schwarber, Castellanos, etc.
Samuel
GMoney2850;
Your posts are a prime example of why I take most stats with a grain of salt. WAR and ERA are nice genialized ballpark readings. Mostly I watch games – lots of them.
The fact is this….
The Phillies rebuild was an extreme failure. DD came in with a terrible bullpen, a terrible defense, and next to nothing in the farm system.
In 2 years that team went to the WS.
Tell me some other FO head you’ve seen do that.
The bullpen was fixed. The defense was substantially improved. The farm system has some top-tier prospects that should be up in late 2024 or 2024. The manager and both the major league and minor league coaching staffs did great jobs, and the players worked hard.
DD is going to the HOF. You can go back to your computer baseball games.
GMoney2850
@Samuel they won 87 games with a 244 million dollar payroll. Is that impressive? Some fluke run to the WS does nothing for me – the playoffs are all a crapshoot anyway.
They still have no depth, horrible defense, and multiple holes at the bottom of the lineup.
Cool to know you don’t care about advanced metrics tho. Pretty much every good FO leans on them almost exclusively when it comes to decision-making at the MLB level, but be sure to pass your feelings on
Dustyslambchops23
Don’t argue with Samuel, he watches games, a lot of them. Lol
mro940
Lunhow made a lot of excellent personnel decisions during his tenure, but he was awful at putting together a bullpen.
Samuel
@GMoney2850
Cool to know you can’t comprehend the simplest things about how MLB Baseball Ops work and are administered; how their ML teams are built; how players are brought along; and how baseball is played on a field.
Don’t sweat it. You’re hardly the first troll that came on an Internet chatroom board – sports or otherwise – and brings up piddly things to try to diminish the accomplishments of a successful person.
Pads Fans
114 wRC+ .334 wOBA 116 OPS+. .773 OPS. Since you don’t seem to understand stats I will tell you, that is better than average.
Those are what ACTUALLY happened. Not what you think should have happened.
Pads Fans
They GOT to the WS. They were a top 5 team in MLB after Girardi was fired.
Orioles2024
Brandon Marsh had 132 PA’s in philly and he struck out in 41 of them. Walked in 6.
Small sample size—he was above average. Wouldn’t bet on that continuing with that as the underlying. Marsh has a lot of work to do and was not a good hitter in the postseason.(another small sample)
SportsFan0000
You are arguing with Red Sox fans who have been told by Red Sox press releases that Dombrowski is a bad guy.
Red Sox press releases are just covering up
for Red Sox Ownership’s bad decisions in running
off great baseball Executives like
Theo Epstein, Ben Cherrington
and Dave Dombrowski.
SportsFan0000
The Phillies made the playoffs and the World Series
after they had not had a winning record, playoffs appearance
and World Series appearance in over 10 years
and you are complaining that Dombrowski made all that happen in
2 short years LMFAO!
SportsFan0000
Phillies go from a losing ballclub without playoff appearances and without a World Series for over 10 years.
Dombrowski solves all those problems in only 2 years?!
And, some are whining and complaining about it?!
WOW!
SportsFan0000
The sky is falling the Sky is falling lmfao!
Go root and complain about the Cincy Reds, KC Royals, Detroit Tigers etc…
vtbaseball
“Anyone can put together a good bullpen“
Then why can’t bloom do it?
JoeBrady
GMoney28505 hours ago
@Samuel they won 87 games with a 244 million dollar payroll. Is that impressive?
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That continues to be my point. They had 81 wins in 2019. He spent $61M on FAs, and traded O’Hoppe & Brown. And he got all the way up to 87 wins?
Put another way, had the Phillies won one less game, they’d have missed the playoffs, and the narrative would’ve been that he should be fired.for spending $61M on useless FAs.
JoeBrady
SportsFan00003 hours ago
You are arguing with Red Sox fans who have been told by Red Sox press releases that Dombrowski is a bad guy.
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I’m not a fan of vague, unsupportable statements.
1-Were the free agents he signed worth it?
2-If the average fan inherited a .500 team, and $61M to spend, would he not expect to win at least 87 games?
3-Had DD not made a single move, would the Phillies still have been over .500?
4-Since 10 of their top 11 bWAR players were already on the Phillies, did DD have any impact at all?
SportsFan0000
Marsh is much better than Obubal Herrara who was suspended for off the field problems.
SportsFan0000
Clearly, you don’t watch much baseball.
But, go ahead and keep reading stat charts that don’t tell the entire story!
SportsFan0000
JoeBrady
You are not a Phillies fan and/or did not follow the Phillies in 2022?!
That is why they have scouting and actual people who make decisions on baseball Ops rather than run everything through an analytics computer.
Yes the free agents Dombrowski signed were well worth it:
1) Bryce Harper broke a bone in his hand and was on the IL for 2 mos.
(without these free agents, the Phillies would have finished out of the playoffs in 2022).
1) JT Realmuto was becoming a free agent and was signed
2) Schwarber lead the NL with 46 home runs and he hit many clutch home runs and base hits in the pennant race and in the playoffs.
3) Castellanos did not have his best offensive year during the season
but he was excellent in the playoffs: 3 or 4 game saving catches in the playoffs and World Series.
Some clutch offensive hits that lead to wins.
Expect a big offensive year out of him in 2023.
Bryce Harper the Phillies MVP was on the IL for 2 months plus.
Without these free agents, extensions and trades, the Phillies are fighting the Marlins to stay out of last place in their tough Division.
With a full season of a healthy Harper and these free agents, then the Phillies would have won 97-98 games in 2022.
Dombrowski made moves in ’21 his 1st year with the Phillies and pushed them closer to .500.
Without Dpmbrowski’s additional moves in 2022: trades, free agent signings etc, then the Phillies do not win 87 games (not even close), do not make the playoffs and/or the World Series in 2022.
“Any random fan could have done what Dombrowski did”?!
That some kind of a joke right?!
Many experienced Professionals in MLB could not even do what Dombrowski did with the Phillies.
They have tried and failed.
Most teams did not even make the playoffs.
28 teams did not make the 2022 World Series.
Go back to your fantasy baseball league and your over emphasis on statistics. Too much emphasis on stats is tripping up many teams
and keeping them from the big Championship prize.
NOTE WELL: The last 2 teams standing in 2022 were managed
by Old School baseball guys.
NOT by analytics taking over all the baseball decisions
30 Parks
Well said, Sportsfan.
JoeBrady
You are not a Phillies fan and/or did not follow the Phillies in 2022?!
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Actually. I followed them more closely than any team except the RS.
“without these free agents, the Phillies would have finished out of the playoffs in 2022”
Again, I advocated for the Phillies spending money while they were in the window of contending. But remind me again why I couldn’t have signed the same players if I were the GM?
Astros2017&22Champs
You do realize brandon marsh is a young controllable starting cfer right? The obsession with prospects is crazy. Dombrowski isn’t my cup of tea as a gm but he’s probably going to the hall of fame. He wins everywhere he goes.
SportsFan0000
Astros2017Champs
Dombrowski was a slam dunk 1st ballot Hall of Famer MLB Executive
even before he every stepped foot at Citizens Bank ballpark in Phillie.
Philadelphia is just the icing on the cake for Dombrowski’s career.
OR would Phillie fans prefer the Phillies teams from the last 10 years?!
htbnm57
Trading for Marsh was an excellent move. Marsh is young 24(was a top prospect himself) and solidifies what was a glaring hole in the lineup .He batted .288 after coming over and provided a greatly improved defense to CF. There is no guarantee O’Hoppe will be a good MLB player, prospects are prospects.
Pads Fans
Try reading the article and not just the headline.
SportsFan0000
Complete BS. Dombrowski has made a long list of moves for the Phillies
to contend for World Series Titles both short and long term.
Google it.
Phillies don’t make the playoffs and/or World Series without Dombrowski.
machurucuto
I better have one Dombrowski than ten Cashmans
GMoney2850
Career winning %:
Cashman .586
Dombrowski .495
vaderzim
World Series wins within the last 20 years:
Cashman: 1
Dombrowski: 2
LordD99
Both DD and Cashman will be in the HOF when they one day call it quits.
LABeachguy
Plus Dombrowski pretty much built the Marlins team in ’03 even though he had left the team by then. Maybe half credit for that. Also Montreal teams were good when he was in charge there. Didn’t always have an open wallet like the Yankees have with Cashman.
Salvi
So can we give Cherington half credit for 2018? Cause a LOT of those players were drafted/obtained by him?
utah cornelius
World Series since 1998, when Cashman became NYY GM:
Cashman: 4
Dombrowski: 2
I’m no Cashman fan, but you can’t ignore his early 3 WS heroics.
Tom
Cashman was neither the architect nor the guy calling the (final) shots on any of those early Yankee teams. Sure, he was the “GM” but he was basically in charge of paper clips.
JoeBrady
So can we give Cherington half credit for 2018?
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It’s probably still more Theo’s team. The core remained the 2011 draft with Betts, Bogaerts, & JBJ. Plus two expensive FA signings. Plus the Sale trade.
JoeBrady
I’m no Cashman fan, but you can’t ignore his early 3 WS heroics.
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I’m not sure a single player on those three teams was acquired by Cashman. That was all Gene Michaels work.
all in the suit that you wear
Reed: Yes. I think Epstein, Cherrington and Dombrowski all get credit for building the 2018 Red Sox. Off the top of my head, Epstein drafted Mookie, JBJ and Barnes. Carrington drafted Benintendi. Dombrowski added Sale, Price, JD Martinez, Porcello, Kimbrel, Nunez and Pearce.
utah cornelius
Oh, so he gets the blame for losing but not the credit for winning. Brilliant.
Salvi
Joe you need to learn sarcasm. You could say this about any GM, they all inherit players.
Pads Fans
Cashman was basically acting GM for 2 seasons before being given the title. Watson was sick, hated George’s overbearing meddling, and had one foot out the door from the moment he was hired.
Cashman was at the center of everything that happened those two years. That is why he was given the GM job.
You need to read more about that time in the Yankees franchise.
LordD99
Well, no, @Tom. Cashman was Michael’s right-hand man and was involved heavily in the decision making. Michael recommended him for the position. So, yeah, he gets credit for 25 straight winning seasons, six pennants and four World Series titles. Click gets credit for the Astros 2022 title, Theo Epstein gets credit for the Red Sox’s 2004 title, and DD gets credit for the Phillies 2022 NL title as well as his prior World Series titles with his other teams. That’s the way it works. I don’t know about Click’s future, but I do know Cooperstown is in Epstein’s, Cashman’s, and DD’s future.
Tom
I didn’t say Cashman gets no credit for the Yankees’ successes, but he was by no means the person in charge of the Yankees’ decisions at that point. He may have held the title beginning in the late 1990s, but if you think he had the final say over anything, I’d say that’s a little naive.
SportsFan0000
Plus, the Marlins 2nd World Series Title won in 2003 was won with Dombrowski’s players after he left for Detroit
JoeBrady
Cashman was Michael’s right-hand man
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It doesn’t work like that. Either the top guy gets blamed or he gets credit. I’ve seen way too many fans hand out blame and credit because of their personal feelings.
SportsFan0000
Ex;pos and Marlins Owners were cheap with money and run like the Rays or Oakland A’s
Intothemystic90
Lmao put Cashman anywhere else and you can shave off about 10 points off that win %. Especially if you take out the years where George was spending like a drunken sailer.
Chemo850
Ten points? Probably wouldn’t even have a .500 record anywhere else. Easy to win when you outspend everyone else
User 401527550
Ten points isn’t much at all. Did you mean 100?
Dustyslambchops23
Career winning percentage for a GM tells us nothing.
Especially Dombrowski who has moved around, what exactly does his first year with a new team tell you ? It’s barely his team
GMoney2850
K, he was in Detroit for 15 years. Winning percentage still .495. Is that good? Seems like not
Astros2017&22Champs
Hes the only executive to win 3 pennants with 3 different franchises. Oh and btw he’s now dine it 4 times with 4 different franchises. Your argument is over.
Salvi
Is winning with “different franchises” suppose to be a compliment? Im much more impressed with GMs who do it with one franchise and doesnt leave a dumpster fire behind when he leaves.
Dustyslambchops23
They lost 119 games in 2003, he took over in 2002.
Again, surely there is a better way to evaluate a GM.
JoeBrady
It’s barely his team
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That’s usually the case. On this year’s Philly team, I think only one of the top-11 bWAR players were acquired by DD. Considering that he spent $61M of FA signings, that’s pretty weak.
Dustyslambchops23
Right I’m not really arguing for or against DD I’m simply saying winning percentage is a terrible way to evaluate a baseball exec.
C Yards Jeff
I’m impressed with owners who, in their minds, see the dumpster fires coming and change PoBOs and/or GMs to address it. See Crane in Houston.
Pads Fans
The Tigers were terrible when he took over. He wasn’t even the GM when he started there, Randy Smith was. His first full season as GM they lost 119 games. 3 years later they were in the WS in their first playoffs appearance since 1987.
During his 13 seasons as GM the Tigers went from a laughing stock of baseball to making five playoff appearances, four consecutive American League Central division titles, four American League Championship Series appearances, including three consecutive ALCS appearances from 2011 to 2013, and appeared in 2 World Series, 2006 and 2012.
So what was Randy Smith’s win % from 1996-2002? A hint, they never had a winning season.
What has the Tigers win % been since Dombrowski was let go? Only one winning season and that was with players brought on board by Dombrowski.
So please S&%U.
GMoney2850
Because he ran the entire franchise into the ground with those absurd Miggy and VMart contracts, stripping the farm of every conceivable asset, and failing as usual to fill in along the margins. The team’s recent failures are almost squarely on his shoulders
Pads Fans
Wrong as usual. Time for mute for you. Every single post from you is pathetic.
SportsFan0000
Statistics can lie and taking things completely out of context does not tell the real story in Detroit.
He was in Detroit for 10-11 years.
Detroit was a team that was in the basement for 10-15 years. and lost 119 games one of those years.
Four years after arriving in Detroit, they sweep the Yankees in the playoffs and go to the World Series as a Wild Card in 2006?!
That is AMAZING!
SportsFan0000
He sure “left a dumpster fire” in Miami NOT!
1997 fastest expansion team to win a World Series Championship.
2004 Marlins win 2nd Championship with Dombrowski’s players
after he left for Detroit.
Seems like Dombrowski walked away from a 2nd World Series Championship in Miami in 2002 to help get Detroit back on track.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski rebuilt one of the worst bullpens in MLB in only 2 years in Phillie.
Dombrowski’s trades and personnel moves fortified Phillies’s Defense
in CF Marsh+ , SS Stott and Sosa.
Dombrowski’s 1st move was to convince JT Reamuto to stay and
to sign a contract extension. JT had one foot out the door in free agency.
JT and his wife are from Oklahoma. Dombrowski’s wife
was a former Anchor news person in Oklahoma.
They developed personal relationships and JT resigned with the Phillies.
Stubbs the back up catcher was aquired by Dombrowski.
Dombrowski drafted some of the top pitching prospects for the Phillies in 2 years. Dombrowski revamped the Front Office, player Development
and the Phillies Minor leagues.
Bohn and Hoskins played much better Defense under Dombrowski’s changes. Stott played better.
Dombrowski got rid of Didi. Joe Giraridi, hired Rob Thompson
and new Scouting and Player Development people.
The list is long on how you build a championship team in record time
Dombrowski put on a clinic as to how to build Championship teams in short order. Watch, listen, and learn!
SportsFan0000
Wah, Wah, Wah!
NO Those longer contracts to Victor Martinez, Miggy and Prince Fielder
were INITIATED AND SIGNED BY MIKE ILLITCH now deceased Owner
of the Tigers without Dombrowski’s approval.
Mike I frequently went behind Dombrowski’s back and made deals that blew holes in the Tigers’ budgets.
Dombrowski drafted: Verlander, Granderson, Porcello and a good chunk of the Tigers contending roster.
Trades brought in Price, Scherzer, Anibal Sanchez, Robbie Ray, Cabrera and many more.
JoeBrady
winning percentage is a terrible way to evaluate a baseball exec.
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Spot-on correct. I wouldn’t judge a GM for at least 5 years. That’s when their draft picks start to show their true value.
For the most part, everyone in here could’ve signed Schwarber, Castellanos, Hand, Familia & Knebel. We all could’ve traded for Marsh & Robertson.
The only things I give DD credit for were the Alvarez & Sosa trades.
JoeBrady
What has the Tigers win % been since Dombrowski was let go?
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Isn’t that the basis for the anti-DD crew, that he leaves teams in awful shape?
JoeBrady
That’s not right. GMoney is correct. You can’t give a GM credit for signing guys, and trading from the farm, but then not assign blame for when those contracts age out and the farm is barren.
Just take a look at the 2022 RS, We lost primarily because of injuries, but we also got just 2.6 bWAR for $81M between Sale, JD, Price & Eovaldi. You have to examine the moves in their totality.
JoeBrady
Dombrowski rebuilt one of the worst bullpens in MLB in only 2 years in Phillie.
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He spent $22M on Knebel, Hand, and Familia, and still finished 23rd in BP ERA.
FWIW, I am an agnostic on DD. But way too many fans are giving him credit for making a .500 team a slightly better version of .500.
JoeBrady
Those longer contracts to Victor Martinez, Miggy and Prince Fielder
were INITIATED AND SIGNED BY MIKE ILLITCH
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I’ve seen this a 1000x in here. All the good moves were made by your guy. All the bad moves were made by someone else.
VonPurpleHayes
Forgetting Alvarado, arguably, DD’s best addition.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski won (2) AL pennants in Detroit, (1) NL Pennant in Miami and World Series Championship (team won another after he left with his players); Another (1) AL pennant and World Series in Boston
AND an (1) NL pennant in Phille.
5 AL/NL pennants won with 4 different teams. Miami, Detroit, Boston and Phillie.
No MLB Executive has ever done that!
SportsFan0000
Those are known facts. Mike Illitch treated his veteran players like family and ran his franchise like a baseball fan that he was.
Agent Scott Boras had Tigers Owner Mike Illitch’s cell phone #
and personally sold Mike I on some of those free agent deals and extensions…that was well known and documented in the media.
Fooque2
Trea and Rondon…….do it
RunDMC
I dare say they don’t need Rodon. As a Braves fan, I’d be fearful of them signing Bassitt. Guy would give that rotation length affordably, staying carefully away from the ‘pen — which highlights another area of need in PHI: backend of bullpen.
VonPurpleHayes
Bassitt is the guy I want as well. Rodon would be nice, but very pricey.
User 401527550
I think Walker would be better without there qualifying offer and the loss of a 2nd and fifth pick and lose of international bonus pool money. I don’t think their is a big difference in the two. Walker is younger.
VonPurpleHayes
Walker didn’t have great numbers in Philly.
User 401527550
But he wouldn’t be pitching against the Phillies. I just have a hard time seeing teams like the Phillies or Mets signing qualifying offer players unless the player is a franchise player.
Bobby smac9
It means he’ll be paid through the 27 season.
vaderzim
As is the reward for an intended, but unexpected run to the World Series.
getrealgone2
If the Phillies’ farm isn’t bare now…….
cpdpoet
Well grg, that was 15 seconds of typing, 5 seconds on a proofread and 3 to hit post comment. And after those 23 seconds, a posted silly lazy take that has been proven wrong….But hey if it gave you a smile for a few minutes, worth it I guess?
Hello, Newman
Philly had a fantastic year, this year. And, they’re in great shape for ‘23.
But, every fan seems to want the “best farm system” title- so they can hope they’ll have a year like Philly did tomorrow.
SportsFan0000
Cue the violins for the crying Red Sox fans whose Team Ownership ordered Dombrowski
to empty the farm to win a World Series Title fast.
Dombrowski did what he was ordered to do by John Henry and Tom Werner.
When the wheels came off, then Red Sox Ownership blamed Dombrowski
for their Wall St style scorched earth business plan.
JoeBrady
Dombrowski did what he was ordered to do by John Henry and Tom Werner.
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So it was Henry & Werner that made the good decisions? Again, I am an agnostic on DD, but he wasn’t a great GM when he signed Price, JD, Eovaldi & Sale to huge contracts, and then a bad GM on the second half of those contracts.
You have to look at them in total.
Bruin1012
DD is a great hall of fame GM. This guy consistently puts winners on the field. Does he make some mistakes sure he does every GM does but I’ll tell you one thing he sees are problem with the team he goes and gets the player needed. If you really look at the guys he trades he trades from redundant prospect areas and rarely does he trade the wrong prospects. Philadelphia is lucky to have him and I expect him to be make Philadelphia relevant for years to come.
acell10
a great GM? That’s a joke right? it takes 0 skill to do what he’s done. Trading your best prospects and throwing money at FA takes no skill whatsoever. the phillies are headed for a Detroit level fall off because that’s exactly what happens when he runs teams.
VonPurpleHayes
So far for the Phillies, DD traded away one prospect for a young controllable position of need. The idea that all DD does is destroys farms to win now is false. Some teams he left in a very good state.
acell10
Von: that is patently false. There wasn’t a single team he has left with a good farm system. It’s a damn good thing the Sox have the 18 WS title to show for his time there.
VonPurpleHayes
Marlins won the WS wiTH dD and again right after he left.
acell10
15 years in Detroit with a losing winning percentage and no WS wins.
Pads Fans
Dombrowski started 13 seasons as the GM in Detroit, not 15. 2003 to 2015.
In 2002 he was the President of the team to start the season until firing Randy Smith and Phil Garner in April. Nothing he could do that that point to turn that pathetic team that Smith had put together into a winner.
He got them their 1st playoff appearance in 19 years, 5 playoff appearances, 4 AL Central titles, 4 ALCS appearances, and 2 AL pennants.
Can you name the other GMs that have done as well after taking over a perennial loser like the Tigers were throughout the late 1980s and the entire 1990s?
During his time with the Expos he built their farm system from consistently being the worst in baseball to the best when the expansion Marlins hired him away.
After winning the 1997 WS with the Marlins. Dombrowski presided over the Huizenga ordered fire sale. He spent the next 4 seasons with the lowest payroll in baseball and left the Marlins with both a top farm system and a core of great young talent at the MLB level. That team he built went on to win the 2003 WS.
acell10
Padres: he had a losing record overall in Detroit and in 15 years running the team the made the playoffs five times. He wasn’t running the expos but if you want to give him credit for building up the farm system he also deserves blame for giving away one of the greatest pitchers in MLB history for next to nothing and if you want to give him credit for the 03 marlins then Cherrington and Theo get the credit for the 18 sox.
Pads Fans
13 years. Not 15 years. You keep repeating the same BS. And in the 12 seasons he was GM years to start the season he had a .500 win percentage after taking over the worst team in the AL.
In 5 years since they have not gotten back to winning in even a single season and after a couple seasons that is not on him.
Not sure why your misplaced hate for him. He is a winner. A NO DOUBT HOF General Manager.
GMoney2850
acell10 gets it
Hello, Newman
What, the fact that Detroit hasn’t done anything, with ample amounts of time since DD was fired?
You’re fooling yourself if you believe Detroit fans wouldn’t have welcomed DD back during and after Avila’s tenure..
Pads Fans
acell is you. He repeats the same disinformation you post.
acell10
wha disinformation is that? Mine is free from whatever spin you want to add like the fact that Randy Smith being the GM meant that DD didn’t have the final say on baseball decisions in DET in the early part of his time there? I could name several GMs that took over teams and turned them from perennial losers into winners.
Pads Fans
13 seasons. Not 15. The first of those he was not the GM to start the season. Randy Smith was and that team was 100% put together by Smith.
If you are going to talk smack, at least get the basic facts correct and stop regurgitating the same lie over and over again.
SportsFan0000
Gets what?! Scorn from 90% of the posters for “cherry picking facts”
and throwing Dombrowski under the bus?!
Is he a paid Troll for the Red Sox or what?!
Bruin1012
Acell you should actually look at DD’s trading history and see who he traded and who he brought in. I think if you do you will realize that he rarely list a trade only really traded from redundant players he has maybe the best trading in the history of GM’s. Go ahead and look it up the Phillies are lucky to have him.
acell10
Redundant or not that wasn’t the point. It doesn’t taken any skill as a GM to throw around money and trade all your best prospects for established players.
The best GM trades in history? that as laughable as saying he’s a great HOF gm. This is the same guy who basically gave away Randy Johnson for nothing.
Phillies aren’t lucky to have him at all. If it wasn’t for the fact that the Brewers absolutely crapped down their legs worse then philly to end the regular season they wouldn’t have made the playoffs. Philly got hot at the right time and DD benefited from that. Sooner or later the chickens will come home to roost.
Salvi
bruins: Were prospects considered “redundant” cause he moved a ton while he was with the Red Sox.
Farm system went from Top 5 when he arrived in Boston, to dead last. Look up “mid season farm system rankings” for 2015 and then for 2019. Thats when DD got to Boston and when he left. — Facts dont lie, people in mlbtr posting do.
VonPurpleHayes
I agree that was the case with the Red Sox, but posters are implying that was the case everywhere he went, and that’s just false.
acell10
it’s not false at all. He did that in Detroit, FLA etc. the only one promoting falsehoods is you
Salvi
Von: As a Red Sox fan, I can only speak about Boston. Trading away the farm definitely happened there. But, in Philly he seems to be holding onto prospects better. As far as FA signing, DD seems to be signing a lot of David Price, Chris Sale type deals in Philly, that will be troublesome in years to come.
VonPurpleHayes
I mean it’s all a Google search away. The White Sox, Expos and Marlins situations all ended quite differently than DD’s runs with Detroit and Boston. Team owners often dictate what direction the team needs to go in. Detroit and Boston were win at all cost. DD did in Boston and came close in Detroit. Was this DD’s fault or the owners? We can debate all day. There are so many factors involved. Are the Phillies in win-at-all-costs mode? I don’t think so. At least not yet. The Phillies depleted farm system has actually improved drastically under DD. Now, no one knows what the nect few years will bring. Salty Red Sox fans can justifiably claim doom and gloom, but like I said, that wasn’t really what happened everywhere DD went.
utah cornelius
The redundancy of a player being trraded is important. You can’t just summarily sweep it under the rug just to save your argument. That’s intellectually dishonest.
utah cornelius
He got the Sox the ’18 WS. How can you complain, even if that came at a cost. WS titles are priceless. I have childhood friends who were Sox fans. They waited until they were 45 before they experienced a WS vicotry. That’s a long time of anguish. Don’t let the fact that you’ve had 4 in 18 years get you jaded. WS victories are priceless. DD got you one. Priceless.
Salvi
DD was an “adminstrative assistant” in his White Sox days. In Montreal he was “director of player personnel” under General Manager Bill Stoneman.
Are you saying he had full control of those franchises to do what he wanted? Not likely, In Boston and Detroit he had much more control to buy/sell/draft/trade than the other places. And in Miami he was working under Wayne Huzienga who spent like a mad dog in his days as Marlins owner.
Salvi
“they waited until they were 45 before they experienced a WS vicotry.” Did they leave the country, maybe went to Mars? Cause Red Sox had won 3 World Championships since 2004, leading up to 2018. There was no “anguish” in Boston in 2018.
The Red Sox had a stacked team with young players coming up: Bogaerts, Betts, Bradley, Benintendi, Moncada, Rodriguez, Vazquez, Devers. (None of whom DD brought in).
If you told anyone back in 2016, we’ll give you 1 championship, but it will cost you 31 prospects, international signings and draft picks and put your team into the dumps for several years. —– Sorry, no Red Sox fan sitting on 3 championships in the last 13 years, would’ve taken that deal.
acell10
What’s intellectually dishonest UTAH is you constantly moving the goalposts on the argument. the OP said he was a great GM and sited the redundant prospects as examples. That was the main point and that’s what I’m arguing not whether or not the prospects were redundant. .
Tom
You realize he wrote that they waited 45 years for a WS title, and now the organization & its fans are spoiled because they’ve won 4 in 18 years, right? The 45 year wait ended in 2004. (And for those older, they were waiting a lot longer. Would any of them give up 31 prospects & such for that 2004 title? Probably.)
Would the Brewers, Pirates, Padres, Mariners, A’s, Mets, Rays, Orioles, Twins, Tigers, Angels, Rangers, Reds, Diamondbacks, Rockies trade those things for a title?
Bruin1012
Well let’s look at the big trades that DD made when he came to Boston
He traded Moncada, Kopech, and Basbe for Sale. Moncada played third they already had a third baseman named Devers. The White Sox wanted Devers but DD refused. The Red Sox went on to win a Championship that they don’t win without Sale.
He also traded for Kimbrel by moving Margot, Asuage, Allen and Guerra. Margot was redundant the Red Sox had a great outfield already so he was expendable and he was the best prospect traded he’s OK but I’d chalk it up as a win for DD bringing in the guy that they needed after blowing so many games the year before.
Just go back and look at all the trades he made at Boston and how few of the prospects he traded even ever played in MLB baseball and how much production he got in return. It’s not even an argument the facts speak for themselves he usually wins his trades. Just look it up as a matter fact MLBTR did an article pointing that out.
If you want to argue he gave some rewarding contracts for winning in 2018 that’s fair but arguing his trades is ignorant the proof is history just look it up.
The great thing about DD when every GM seems to be loathe to trade prospects he isn’t afraid to do it and history says he almost always trades the right ones.
Salvi
“Moncada played third they already had a third baseman named Devers”
Moncada played only 15 games at 3B, before move to Chicago. He was almost exclusively a 2nd baseman. Red Sox had only an injured Pedroia at 2B. Are you not very knowledgable or misleading?
Bruin1012
I actually went back and looked at DD’s trades in Detroit and he rarely lost a trade there as well. I can say that without a bout dealin Dave is one of the best GM traders in the history.
Salvi
So Travis Shaw for Tyler Thornburg was a win? Stephen Nogosek for Addison Reed? Chris Sale for Moncada and Kopech isnt a win either, that trade still being determined. Kopech is still coming into his own. Manuel Margot doing fine.
If you figure in payroll, its even worse. Those guys are all still playing on the cheap except Moncada.
Pads Fans
How many of those Red Sox prospects he traded away have a ring?
How many put up a 4.0 WAR in any single season?
How many have been even league average since he traded them?
When Dombrowski came on board, the Red Sox had been in last place and lost 91 games the year before he got there. His 2nd year they were in the playoffs, went to the playoffs 3 straight seasons, and won the 2018 WS.
Farm system rankings are nice. Playoff appearances and World Series rings are what counts.
Pads Fans
So you are saying you want those prospects back and you are willing to give back the playoff appearances and WS title just to get them back?
Are you serious?
Salvi
DD traded away prospects traded for veterans. Comparing what they’ve done in the past is idiot. Kopech, Margot, Beeks, Moncada and Nogosek are all playing good ball, and will continue to do so in the future.
I’d rather have those 5 filling out the 2023 Red Sox than Chris Sale. Btw, Sale is going to get paid more than all of them combined too.
Bruin1012
Reedsox Moncada was already being transitioned to third for two reasons. The first Pedroia was coming off a 698 plate appearance season and Moncada was an error machine at 2nd. So I will ask you are misleading or just ignorant? Do think Boston was looking at Moncada as a replacement for Pedroia when he was coming off a 698 plate and batted .318 in 2016? The answer a resounding NOOOOO!
Salvi
BaseballLife: Let me you right. DD was DEFINITELY going to win a WS, when he traded away all those players and forfeited draft picks and international money. Because the way I remember it, the players were shipped out before the WS, and noone not even DD knew what was going to happen.
Salvi
Moncada only played 15 games in the minors as a 3B. At the time of the trade Travis Shaw was the thirdbaseman. Im sure they wanted insurance there.
Pedroia’s games played:
2014 135 games
2015 93 games
2016 154 games
There was nothing guaranteed at 2B with Pedroia. Moncada wasnt blocked.
Pads Fans
Just answer yes or no. Are you saying you would give up that WS banner to get back those prospects?
Moncada who has a 2.3 WAR average per season since the trade?
Margot who has not been even that good?
And Kopech who has not been as good as Margot?
Beeks has a 3.85 ERA, a 3.95 FIP, below average K% and above average BB%. He has been a middle reliever. He was the 15th ranked prospect on the Red Sox farm and they got Eovaldi for him.
Eovaldi had a 3.33 ERA and 2.88 FIP down the stretch for the Red Sox in 2018 and an ERA under 2 in the postseason. You probably don’t have a ring if he is not pitching for the Red Sox in the 2018 playoffs.
Nogosek has been just plain bad. 4.55 ERA and 5.35 FIP. At the time of the trade he was not among the top 500 prospects in baseball and ranked 18th in the Red Sox farm. That is who you want back? Seriously?
You would rather have those scrubs than a healthy Sale in the rotation in 2023? Seriously?
BTW, do you know what a single WS title is worth to a team? It can pay for Sale’s salary for the 2019-2022 seasons with money left over.
Bruin1012
I remember it well Moncada was blocked at 2nd and that’s not even debatable. Do you really think after Pedroia had 698 at bats batted .318 Moncada wasn’t blocked at the time of the trade? He was an expendable asset just admit it it’s what DD does. Will lose a few trades here there yes but not many he has an amazing trading resume and that’s a fact.
SportsFan0000
You are not a knowledgeable baseball fan.
John Middleton (Phillies Owner)
sure sees the value of Dombrowski by extending his contract.
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
Phillies were crap for 10 years and did not even come within sniffing distance
of the playoffs before Dombrowski was hired 2 years ago.
SportsFan0000
Again, Red Sox Owners John Henry and Tom Werner gave Dombrowski
his marching orders when they hired him:
Win now! Pull out all the stops. Dombrowski did what his bosses told him to do in Boston.
Dombrowski won multiple Division titles, set a record for Red Sox wins in a single season and won a World Series Title in Boston.
Blaming Dombrowski for bad decisions by Red Sox Ownership is rich.
If the Red Sox had kept Dombrowski, they would have been back in the World Series much faster than with Chaim Bloom.
SportsFan0000
You have a very loose relationship with the facts.
Montreal: Dombrowski built great farm and team that had best record in MLB in 1994 with Dombrowski’s players after he had left for Miami.
Miami won a 2nd World Series Title with Dombrowski’s players after he had left for Detroit etc..
Dombrowski had drafted and traded for many young players who became Hall of Famers including Cabera (drafted in Miami and also traded to Detroit when he went there) Scherzer and many more.(Verlander )
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski started as Director of Player Personnel in Montreal.
Dombrowski was promoted to General Manager in Montreal at the age of 31.
In Miami, Owner Wayne Huzienga was a penny pinching owner who allowed a few free agent signings. Then, Wayne ordered a “fire sale” right after the Marlins won their 1st title in ’97.
Players Dombrowski drafted and traded for in Miami became the team that won a 2nd World Serie title (2003 ) after Dombrowski had left for Detroit (2002).
In Detroit, Mike Illitch was a meddling owner like Angels Owner Arte Moreno.
Like Arte Moreno, Illitch signed longer term contracts that Dombrowski would not have approved like the 2nd Cabrera extension, the Victor Martinez long extension and the Prince Fielder deal.
Dombrowski told the press one week that he had no interest in signing Fielder and that Fielder was not a fit for the Tigers.
A week later, Illitch hands Dombrowski’ Fielder’s budget busting contract that Illitch signed on the side without Dombrowski’s assent.
Stuff like that happened frequently and lead to the
break down in the relationship between Dombrowski and Mike Illitch.
vtbaseball
Who did DD give away from Boston that was of any real consequence? Kopech maybe.
vtbaseball
Reed, he also did NOT trade any of those top guys other than Moncada. So he keeps all the stars and trades away the who didn’t turn out so hot, I’d say that’s pretty smart.
vtbaseball
Thank you, Bruin
JoeBrady
If it wasn’t for the fact that the Brewers absolutely crapped down their legs
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Had Hader not surrendered two 9th inning HRs on 6/7, the Phillies would’ve missed the playoffs, and DD would’ve been fired.
SportsFan0000
Acell is not interested in facts or thoughtful analysis,
He is a Troll paid or not throwing Dombrowski under the bus.
Something is up with that guy and it is not good news!
SportsFan0000
JoeBrady Open mike night is Wed @ the Comedy Club.
No there was no way that Dombrowski would have been fired even if the Phils did not make the playoffs in 2022.
Your fantasy hypotheticals are ridiculous and meaningless.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
If it takes 0 skill to win a pennant then what level are all of the other GM’s who haven’t won a pennant?
Hello, Newman
Haha right?
acell10
Boy the point shot way over your head. It takes 0 skill to spend money and trade away your prospects for established talent to win. Working on your reading comprehensions.
Hello, Newman
Ohh, over my head?
If it takes zero skill, what in the world are you doing with your life on here?
Philly did not have the highest or even second highest payroll, yet they won a pennant. Houston didn’t have the highest payroll and they won a WS. You really think it’s just free agent spending money that wins WS?
acell10
Yes way over your head. so the phillies having the forth highest payroll and the Astros having the ninth but neither being one or two some indicates they aren’t spending money for talent right? and those two things don’t go hand in hand? Jeez you’re thick.
As a general rule spending on talent generally leads to more wins especially in baseball.
acell10
Jeez the more you comment Newman the worse you make it for yourself. I hope you didn’t strain your back from moving the goalposts on your argument.
Pads Fans
Phillies CBT payroll in 2022 – $237,131,015 ( 5)
Not 4th. 5th. You keep getting the basic facts wrong.
Hello, Newman
Lol, you at least got a laugh out of me.
Happy holidays
SportsFan0000
Is that is why no POB or GM has ever had the sustained success that Dombrowski had had with 5 different franchises?!
JoeBrady
Trading your best prospects and throwing money at FA takes no skill whatsoever.
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When I judge these guys, the first question I ask is “where has he added value”. I was on-board with the FA signings, because the team was too weak. But I think it is fair to say that the FA signings have been pretty weak. $61M for a total bWAR of 3.0. It doesn’t get worse than that.
I was actually okay with the trade deadline moves, but no one knows yet how they will turn out. Brown looks pretty good so far.
Tom
How many fan bases in MLB would gladly trade for DD’s 15 years in Detroit?
acell10
With no championships to show for it? probably not that many.
Tom
“With no championships to show for it? probably not that many.”
Really? Making the postseason 1/3 of the time, reaching two World Series….how many other teams can make that claim?
Orioles, Twins, Pirates, Reds, Mariners, A’s, Marlins, Padres, Diamondbacks, etc.
Pads Fans
23 of them. Those are the ones that never made it to the WS during his 13 year stretch in Detroit.
SportsFan0000
Detroit Tigers with Dombrowski had the most successful run in their modern era. 5 Division titles. Wild Card and knocked Yankees out of the playoffs on way to World Series in 2006?!
2 AL Championships
Multiple Division Championships.
4 ALCS appearances.
2 Word Series appearances
The list is long.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski left the Marlins in 2002.
He won the World Series with an expansion team in 1997.
He left the Marlins in 2002 to go rescue the basement dwelling Tigers from 15 years not even close to the playoffs
What did Dombrowski leave for the Marlins in Miami?!
Great players and farm system who won another World Series in 2003
one year after Dombrowski left for Detroit.
.
RunDMC
DD got the Marlins/Tigers either into the WS or winning it. Put that guy on the ballot for 2024 based on that alone – and forget HoF.
SportsFan0000
Built 2 World Series team with Marlins (both Champions)
Built World Series team with Expos before season cancelled by strike
Built 2 World Series Teams with Tigers
Built another World Series Champion with Red Sox
Built a NL Champion World Series team with Phillies.
John Middleton is SMART to lock down Dombrowski and to not let him get away!
acell10
he’s made 10 playoff appearances in 35 years and has a losing record. IF
vtbaseball
That’s a ridiculous take. As if he could immediately turn those awful teams around. smh
30 Parks
Dombrowski wins – Philly is astutely rewarding that crucial detail.
User 2079935927
I believe this has been noted before. But he has out clause. He’s involved with the group trying to get a team in Nashville.
VonPurpleHayes
This is correct. If baseball expands to Nashville, DD has an opportunity to leave if he desires.
PeteRose’s Bookie
That’s great….The Phillies will end up like the Red Sox and Tigers, bloated albatross contracts and a weak farm system. At least they have Bryce.
VonPurpleHayes
He left the Marlins in pretty good shape.
User 401527550
That’s because the Marlins traded everyone away after loading up for one title.
acell10
No he didn’t. The marlins sucked for years and it took equally as long for them to produce any stars from their farm system.
VonPurpleHayes
The Marlins won again after he left. What are you even saying?
acell10
they sucked for 3 years before he left and up until he was gone plus the two years after. That’s what I’m saying. Between the 97 title and the 03 title they were awful.
RunDMC
2 titles in 6 years — that says a lot about that FO if they were that baad in between.
How much have the Dodgers spent in the 33 years in between their championships, while Marlins come onto the scene and get 2 in 6 years!!!
acell10
He wasn’t in charge when the won the second one. So partial credit if you want to be generous.. Regardless the Marlins had one winning season with him as GM and yes sucked something fierce the other years.. the Dodgers are perennial contenders.
Salvi
It says a lot about Huzienga too. He opened his checkbook up for one of those WS and went nuts signing everyone. Then said “this cant work”. Sold all the players he could, then sold the team.
The owner spending their money had a lot to do with it.
RunDMC
He wasn’t in charge but that was his team that won the World Series. For the first few years, a new GM is mostly working with other people’s players/projects. It’s not until a few years down the road that they’ll start to see the fruits of their labor, unless they’re making a midseason trade, etc.
RunDMC
Owner gets all the credit? I thought we were past this idea that you can buy a WS title. NYY and LAD’s cute, lil’ 2020 WS title not enough proof of that yet?
utah cornelius
The RS were awful between titles and I doubt their fans mind so much. A little pain and a whole lotta joy.
utah cornelius
You say one WS as if it’s dogcrap. It’s not. It’s priceless, no matter the cost. The vast majority of GMs have had no such success.
acell10
Winning a word series isn’t dog crap at all but acting like what DD did was some how novel or involved any amount of skill is ludicrous. Following a mandate to spend and then trading all your prospects for established players involves little to no skill at all
RunDMC
@acell10 — I get not trading the farm, but if it results in 1, possibly 2 WS — who cares? I’d take 5-6 years of mediocrity during a proper rebuild. Not many people walking around with a “2003 MLB’s Highest-Rated Farm System” t-shirt OR are those t-shirts shipped off to third-world countries too?
acell10
RUNDMC I’d take sustained success and championships over sucking outright for many years. It’s not just that DD teams become mediocre. They often become downright awful. Plenty of teams have found ways to stay competitive and win and not the hit toilet hard the way DD’s teams have.
acell10
Are you related to DD or something? because your arguments make so little sense it’s laughable that you’d’ question my sobriety when you sound drunker then a poet on payday. . So that one case makes where he has a built in excuse takes away from the other places got it…
Pads Fans
Acell10 collects them.
Pads Fans
And yet you have no answer to the fact that Huizenga ordered the fire sale that made the Marlins team suck so that he could make more money when he sold the team.
That was not on Dombrowski. Your lack of sobriety IS on you.
In his 12 seasons as GM in Detroit he had exactly a .500 record and 5 playoff appearances. You do realize that a record like that is incredibly good, right?
There are 23 GM’s or POBOs in baseball that have not had their team in the playoffs more than twice in their entire careers. Dombrowski has that many WS rings.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski left the Marlins in 2002!
The Marlins won their 2nd World Series Title in 2003.
The vast majority of those 2003 Marlins players were drafted, traded for and signed by Dombrowski.
There was no Jerry Di Poto or AJ Preller in the Marlins Front Office
when Dombrowski left for Detroit a year before their 2nd WS Championship~!
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski made the fire sale ordered trades from ownership
after building the expansion Marlins in record time
into 1997 World Series Champions
Dombrowski’s trades built the Marlins team that won a 2nd World Series
in 2003 . Dombrowski left for Detroit in 2002. Marlins won 2nd title in 2003
Dombrowski acquired players won the 2nd title in Miami
including his draft picks like a rookie named Miguel Cabrera for the Marlins.
Pads Fans
Any baseball fan would willingly give up all of the prospects the team they root for has on the farm to consistently see their team in the layoffs and get a World Series ring. If you wouldn’t, you are not a baseball fan, Its really that simple.
BTW, other than Cabrera, what bloated, albatross contracts did Dombrowski leave the Tigers with?
acell10
Consistency that’s the key. Dombrowski isn’t consistently building world series contenders. In 15 years his teams made the playoffs five times. Outside of a four year stretch they missed the playoffs 11 times. That’s not being consistent at all.
Pads Fans
With the exception of the Expos, every team Dombrowski has been in charge of has gone to the WS.
The Tigers went to the playoffs 4 straight years and the WS two of those 4. That is consistency. He is a winner.
You keep saying 15 years. His first full season as GM in Detroit was 2003. nothing he could have done about that 2002 team since he took over after the season had already started. That mess was 100% Randy Smith. Dombrowski was fired in 2015.
acell10
So muted me in other discussions because you knew you were wrong. Incredibly cowardly of you. Here’s the link that shows Phillies payroll was 4th last according to spotrac. It’s time for you to switch to Shirley temples now because a simple google search would have found that information.
spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/2022/
acell10
Also he was still in charge of baseball operations his first year there. So he had no authority of baseball decisions?
SportsFan0000
Complete BS!
Dombrowski made the playoffs more than 5 times just with the Tigers.
Not counting all the other teams he has lead into the playoffs.
SportsFan0000
Expos had the best record in baseball with Dombrowski’s players
and would have gone to the World Series if not for the Baseball Strike
‘shutting down the Season.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski left the Expos in 1991 to help build the Expansion Team
FLA Marlins from Scratch.
Dombrowski drafted and acquired a big share of the Expos players who who were an astounding 74-40 when the baseball strike ended the season, the playoffs and the World Series that year.
That is a .649 winning percentage or over 105 wins over a full season of 162 games!!
The 1994 Montreal Expos season was the 26th season of the franchise. They had the best record in Major League Baseball (74-40), when the 1994–95 Major League Baseball strike ended the season and the team’s postseason aspirations.
99socalfrc
Why do owners think these baseball ops leaders have some secret sauce? I hate to break it to them but Dombrowski’s only sauce is to set fire to money in the most spectacular way possible. As long as the owner is willing to play along things tend to work out. The Phillies made a run because the owners were willing to pay for Wheeler, Harper, Castellanos, Schwarber, Realmuto etc. Pretty much anyone with a decent baseball IQ could pick out those players.
San Diego is the same way, like “Oh look AJ Preller is a genius”, um not really. You just ponied up the money to spend at the luxury tax level and voila, instant playoff team.
Just to be clear I’m applauding those owners, all 30 teams should spend like that, it’s just wild when the same owners act like no other GM could pull this off.
acell10
it takes 0 skill to do what DD has done to build a “contender” in philly.
Salvi
Dont forget Marlins. Huzeinga went crazy with FA signing back at the time.
SportsFan0000
Wah, Wah Wah!!!
A Red Sox fan or Tigers fan crying
that Dombrowski followed his Owners’ business plan
the plan made by the guy who signs Dombrowski’s checks.
dragonfan96
Bad mistake Philly
thickiedon
This is a slight to Rob Thomson and his staff. He deserved a better contract.
Most of the players brought over from trades underperformed other than small samples of Stubbs and Sosa.
LordD99
Fans rating GMs is always a humorous exercise.
SportsFan0000
Seeing a lot of very hilarious comments
from the same kinds of drunk fans who were yelling that the Phillies rebuild was a failure and that the Phillies should just tear the whole thing down
(look at the comments boards 2 years ago.
Braves Butt-Head
I didn’t realize that Dombrowski looked so much like the principal from the Breakfast Club Paul Gleason.
RunDMC
Dear Mr. Vernon,
We accept the fact
that we had to sacrifice
a whole Saturday
in detention for whatever
it was we did wrong.
But we think you’re crazy
to make an essay telling you who we think we are.
You see us as you want to see us…
In the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions.
But what we found out is
that each one of us is a brain…
…and an athlete…
….and a basket case….
…a princess…
…and a criminal…
Does that answer your question?
Sincerely yours,
The Breakfast Club
all in the suit that you wear
DD reminds me of Frank Drebbin (Leslie Nielson).
Fred Reichwein
wow a lot of hate for a guy in 2 years to the team to a world series and building a good farm, which mind you was god awful before he got here. He drafted painter, McGarry and Abel. Just saying lol
VonPurpleHayes
I think it’s mostly satly Red Sox fans complaining. Phillies fans love him after we suffered through Klentak. Also please keep in mind,DD fired Girardi, possibly the greatest move of the season.
RobM
It’s funny that fans of an organization, the Red Sox, that so desperately craved a World Series title became jaded after they won a couple that they hate DD for doing what he was hired to do: win another World Series title. I’m sure Dombrowski could have rebuilt the farm, but that was hard to do after Henry fired him for doing exactly what Henry wanted.
Salvi
couple = 4 in RobM’s world. Enough said.
RobM
Right over ReedSox’s head.
acell10
RobM: he has almost zero track record of rebuilding farm systems. t
all in the suit that you wear
RobM: I doubt Red Sox fans hate DD. I am am grateful for what DD did in Boston.
RobM
@all in the suit…good to hear. I suspect many Red Sox fans feel the same. Sox fans as much as any fan base should realize how difficult it is to be the last team standing, so they should enjoy when they’re on a good run and be happy with every ring their team gets. DD was brought in to cash in and bring the team over the top. He did it.
Pads Fans
Montreal. Miami. Detroit. Philadelphia. So 4 of 5 he rebuilt the farm system. That leaves only the Red Sox.
SportsFan0000
Montreal best farm system in baseball and drafted a lot of great players including Hall of Famers.
Miami built an expansion team with zero players into into a World Series Champion 2X in record time.
Detroit Drafted Verlander, Granderson, Porcello and much more
and traded for Scherzer, Price, Anibal Sanchez and much more.
Bruin1012
Honestly Rob this Red Sox fan knows how hard it is to be the last team standing. The bottom line is you need to get to the post season and anything can happen if you get hit at the right time. I am grateful that fate seemed to make up for the previous 86 years in Boston. You have to get the dance first and foremost but once there you need a little fortune and luck.
SportsFan0000
In Boston they would not let him rebuild the farm system after he built their Championship team.
Seems they wanted to go all young and analytic and are allergic to experience.
Ownership threw him under the bus for doing his job.,
SportsFan0000
RobM Exactly! Someone on this thread “gets it”.
SportsFan0000
Remember, Phillies fans booed Santa Claus lol!
CarverAndrews
The Dombrowski narrative is incredibly oversimplified by many on here (can only buy a team, etc.). Look at his entire track record, and then also understand that in Detroit and Boston he was under ownership instruction to pay big to win, and do it quickly.
It is too early in this tenure in Philly for any definitive notions, but I have clearly seen the player development improve quite a bit from before. Prospects that had been languishing and falling off the radar started to show something again. Nothing dramatic but they are getting some value and some potential from enough prospects that seemed to be on the way out that it can’t all be coincidence. This, over and above the rest of the noteworthy comments about…well…getting to the 6th game of the WS this year. Then, it also appears that they have shown signs of drafting much better in the past two years.
So I am very hopeful, and pleased to have a real professional in place this time around. No one is perfect, and baseball is a difficult game. But getting rid of the Saberdude and putting a real baseball guy in charge is an extraordinary step in the right direction for this organization.
acell10
People aren’t oversimplifying anything. His MO over his entire career is to do exactly what he’s been doing in Philly, BOS, DET etc. Once the money stops flowing and the prospect well from previous administrations dries up his teams hit the toilet pretty hard.
htbnm57
He took a team that had been going nowhere for over 10 years and they got to the World
Series without giving up their top pitching prospects. As a longtime Phillies fan I’ll take this over continued mediocrity.
utah cornelius
At the behest of owners with a soecific mandate. Spend and get to the WS. Which he does. Others try and fail. Ignore it all you want, like you ignored redundant prospects, it doesn’t make it unimportant. Be honest when you respond. Address the point made.
acell10
I have addressed the point made. There have been plenty of GMs that have spent to win championships. You’re acting like what DD did was novel in some way and it isn’t.
RobM
And there have been even more GMs who have spent and not won a single thing. You’re acting like what DD and other winning GMs do isn’t important.
acell10
It is important but not as important as you’re making it out be. There’s also a reason so few GM’s are in the HOF.
Pads Fans
Can you name the other GMs that did that? How many GMs have been to the WS with 4 teams? How many have 10 Playoff Appearances, 5 Pennants, and 2 World Series Titles?
BTW, in Detroit he was not the GM that built the 2002 team. He took over as GM after the season started. From 2003 until he was let go in Aug of 2015 the tigers had a record of 1027-1023
Pads Fans
There is also a reason that Dombrowski will be in the HOF. 10 Playoff Appearances, 5 Pennants, and 2 World Series Titles
SportsFan0000
From a guy who is reading Red Sox team press releases where the throw top executives under the bus for implementing ownership business plans.
Theo Eptein gone and never coming back
Cherrington gone and never coming back
Dombrowski gone and never coming back
Enjoy your sales and marketing/ticketing guy Sam Kennedy and Chaim Bloom LMFAO~!
SportsFan0000
Reads like you have been hitting the bottle very hard lol!
RobM
And so what if his greatest weakness is that he can only “buy” a team? It’s about winning. He wins.
acell10
It’s weakness because it involves no skill.
RobM
It DOES involve skill because it’s roster building. Deciding who to keep, who to trade, who to sign is what a GM does. Building bullpens is one of the clearest signs of success in team building today. DD did a good job on that this year. It’s also why I give Click credit for his time in Houston. I have less respect for teams that finish last, lose 100+ games and have access to the best cheap talent. That’s EASY. It’s what they do with that talent after that separates the men from the boys. I have more respect for the Astros 2022 championship than 2017 because they’re now going through their second cycle of winning, this time without picking at the front of the draft. What the Dodgers have been doing yearly is incredible.
acell10
it involves no particular skill at all. Throwing money around and out spending everyone else isn’t some elite skill. It’s way harder to draft and develop consistent players so I have no idea why someone just outspending everyone some earns more respect from you than a GM who can draft well.
Furthermore outside of this year DD’s bullpens have been historically terrible so that’s as big of a feather in his cap as you think it is.
Pads Fans
Then go do it. Until then, STFU.
SportsFan0000
Your weakness is you have no idea of what you are talking about and are “facts averse”
acell10
just because you don’t like the truth doesn’t make me or anyone else facts averse.
acell10
What a giant baby you are Pads fan. If you can’t handle someone making a point contrary to yours then don’t engage in conversation with them chump boy.
SportsFan0000
Throwing money around has not produced a World Series Championship for the Yankees in over 10 years.
Throwing money around only produced 1 World Series Championship
for the Dodgers in over 30 years and that was a “short season covid championship.
SportsFan0000
Carver Andrews It is not “too early to rate Dombrowski in Phillie.
Ask Owner Middelton.
Ask the players, coaches and managers.
Ask the fans
If Dombrowski Retired from the Phillies tomorrow, they would have parade for him and build a statue for him @ Citizens Bank Park.
superunclea
so that means in 2026 he will empty the minors for big time guys. They will win World Series in 2027. Then all the guys he traded for will leave and they’ll have no minor league talent to replace it with. Sound familiar?
VonPurpleHayes
WS win? Sign me up.
utah cornelius
Nailed it, VPH. WS wins are priceless. As in, you can’t put a price on them. Boatloads of money spent? Keep it flowing. Prospects traded? Keep them going. WS victory, here come the Phillies. Best of luck. Can’t knock an organization for trying.
Salvi
So utah and Von are guaranteeing a WS win for Phillies. Thats bold.
My point is: You don’t know when you’re building the team, if its going to win a WS. But, you are guaranteed your teams gonna sukk in 4 years, if youre gutting the teams development.
VonPurpleHayes
I did no such thing. It’s just as ridiculous to say DD will destroy the farm. I’m not proclaiming DD to be the second coming. I’m just saying, so far so good. If the Phillies get 1 ring out of his tenure, I’m pretty happy. So far we got 1 WS appearance. That’s pretty sweet. May be hard to get another.
Salvi
Then don’t “sign up” to a Philadelphia ring, cause odds are it wont happen.
VonPurpleHayes
The “sign up” comment was a direct response to superunclea, who stated the Phillies will win a WS in 2027 and then have a destroyed farm system. I’d 100% sign up for that scenario.
Hello, Newman
Then what, they’ll win it in another 5 years?
Ohh, the horror..the horror
Salvi
If it takes 6 to 7 years for drafted players to reach the majors, (because the cupboard is bare). Then, some are bound to flame out. Then they have to develop a cohesive relationship. More like 10-12 years. Thats if your lucky.
Hello, Newman
Or, it takes significantly less because the circumstances and decisions of other teams are greatly incomputable.
SportsFan0000
Wah, Wah Wah! There is NO CRYING IN BASEBALL!
SportsFan0000
Are you employed by the Red Sox or just BRAINWASHED by their
bogus press releases?!
GET OVER IT.
OWNERSHIP IS BOSTON BLEW IT BY LETTING DOMBROWSKI GO!
I HOPE PHILLIES WIN MULTIPLE WORLD SERIES TITLES AND RUB IT RIGHT IN JOHN HENRY’S AND TOM WERNER’S FACES!!
acell10
are you related to Dombrowski or do you work for him? because your over the top full throated defense of a the guy is beyond weird.
SportsFan0000
That is not the business plan that John Middleton and Dave Dombrowski have agreed on, They are contending both short and long term.
Google it!
citizen
Hall of fame gm just because of 1 playoff appearance in numerous year and an extension?Cubs said the same thing abut jim hendry in 2007.
VonPurpleHayes
Dombrowski has a long track record of success beyond the Phillies
kje76
Dombrowski teams have won seven division titles, five pennants and two World Series. He’s led four difference teams (Marlins, Tigers, Red Sox, and Phillies) to the World Series (winning two). He’ll be in the Hall of Fame at some point. His plaque will not mention anything about the minor leagues.
SportsFan0000
You are comparing Dombrowski with Jim Hendry?!
SERIOUSLY!?
No credibilty!
HBan22
So glad the Sox fired him for Chaim Bloom! John Henry needs to go.
Dombrowski has done an excellent job overall with the Phillies. Anyone claiming otherwise doesn’t know what they are talking about.
acell10
So one trip to the playoffs means he’s doing an excellent job…got it.
Hello, Newman
He’s been there for 2 years
acell10
Again the point flies way over your head. I don’t think after two seasons you could make any assertions good or bad.
Hello, Newman
It doesn’t matter what you think, because the concrete evidence is he won a pennant. The underlying problem is you just don’t like DD, for whatever reasons
acell10
ok and the concrete evidence is that his team under performed the other year. So by your weird a$$ logic that would make him mediocre in philly
SportsFan0000
I think this troll ( acell10) is a paid Red Sox Team troll.
How much is Sam Kennedy and/or the Red Sox Network paying
you to Troll Dombrowski?!
Give it up!.
No one else would consistently be attacking Dombrowski
for doing his job, following his Ownership business plan successfully in multiple MLB cities etc..
SportsFan0000
What are you smoking?!
Phillies had not had a winning record in what 10 years?!
No playoffs appearances in 10 years?!
Middleton hires Dombrowski 2 years ago this November.
And, he takes a non winning team to the World Series
and they miss winning it all by only 2 games?!
Red Sox fans are spoiled and buying BS
put out by Red Sox press releases.
blame John Henry and Tom Werner, not Dombrowski
acell10
Stuff huffing paint because all you’ve done is spout off a bunch of nonsense about people parroting talking points that ownership never had and that I haven’t said. typically ignorant baseball fan who thinks that repeating themselves over and over again somehow changes facts.
So because they were two games over 500 his first season the phillies should throw a parade? All I said was it’s too early to call his time in Philly a success or a failure.
GMoney2850
244M payroll. 87 wins. Dope
Pads Fans
$237,131,015 CBT payroll. WS appearance. Is awesome.
My question is are you just a dope or also on dope? .
acell10
May question to you pads fan is how many un funny drug related jokes can a person try to shoehorn into an argument they know they’re loosing.
SportsFan0000
Is “loosing” a word lmfao?!
SportsFan0000
2 Wins from another World Series Championship!
What was the Red Sox record this year.
Did they even make the playoffs?!
NO CRYING IN BASEBALL!
acell10
apparently there is whiny because you’ve been whining all this post.
SportsFan0000
Are you a Troll that is employed by the Red Sox
or their network?!
Dombrowski has had a 1st ballot Hall of Fame MLB Executive career.
The only ones disputing that fact are a few Red Sox fan Trolls,.
Your beef is with Red Sox Owners John Henry and Tom Werner.
(And Sam Kennedy).
Ever ask yourself why the Red Sox cannot keep top Front Office talent?!
Theo Epstein, Ben Cherrington, Dave Dombrowski
all run off by Red Sox Ownership for no valid reasons!!
acell10
Are you that dense? Theo Epstein was in boston for 10 plus years and ran the team for 9. do you criticize the cubs for letting him go after the same amount of time too? Also I like Cherrington but what exactly has he done in Pittsburgh since he’s gotten there?
SportsFan0000
87 wins with their best player and MVP Bryce Harper on the IL for 2 months!
Would have been 97 wins with Harper all season!
NatsPhils
Without Harper for two months and forced to have him at DH most of the year.
htbnm57
That’s 98 wins this year… 9 in the playoffs
htbnm57
Half the comments were by two ( er 1) troll.
RobM
If nothing else, Dave has always had a good hair game going.
Curious if he still has an out in his contract in the event Nashville becomes an expansion franchise. Probably not a big deal as that’s likely at least four years off still. I don’t see expansion being addressed until the next CBA.
acell10
his best attribute is his head of hair.
VonPurpleHayes
I agree with you here.
RobM
I agree Von, but that’s because I’m jealous whenever I look in the mirror and see mine receding!
JusticeG
What has been lost in everything is that the GM most responsible for the Phillies run this postseason is Brewers GM David Stearns. If Stearns didn’t deal Hader at the trade deadline, the Phillies don’t even make the postseason and everyone is yelling about what horrible free agent contracts DD gave out. DD owes his contract to David Stearns.
citizen
no, whats been lost is the phillies have made all these moves over the years and nothing to show for it, got hot at the right time but not enough.
I think marsh is just jayson werth with botox.
VonPurpleHayes
What horrible contract did DD give out? Playoffs or not, the only one that looks bad is Castellanos, and he could potentially bounceback.
Salvi
You think Schwarber is a good signing moving forward? I hope he brings in Bogaerts too. He would fit nicely, on the All-NonDefense Team.
VonPurpleHayes
You’re talking as if the Phillies experiment blew up in their face. Despite some key injuries they went on to the World Series. They lost to the Astros who have been arguably the best team in baseball over the last few years. The Phillies experiment worked. There’s no reason to think they won’t be a contender in 2023.
I’m not saying the Phillies are better then the Dodgers and Braves and Mets…etc, but they’re right there with them, amongst the best teams in the NL. I don’t understand all this hate and backlash.
acell10
So one playoff appearance in two years is indicative of success? If they continue to be contenders then you’d have a point.
VonPurpleHayes
Exactly so maybe we should all wait and see before declaring DD a complete failure.
acell10
and wait before singing praises as a massive success.
VonPurpleHayes
I didn’t say he was a massive success in Philly. I said so far so good. Overall, I claimed he had a successful career.
HardensBeardHasFleas
He gave us everything we expected and more. Including a fantastic fight song.
Pads Fans
WS appearance = massive success. Regardless of how much they spent, and 4 teams spent more 28 teams did not make it to the WS.
To do it in 2 years starting with a team that was .467 in 2020 and had not been above .500 since 2010 and had a bottom 5 farm system is nothing short of a miracle.
SportsFan0000
These boards mentioning Dombrowski had been overrun by Red Sox TROLL FANS. Wonder if some of these clowns work for the Red Sox?!
NO CRYING IN BASEBALL~!
GMoney2850
Schwarber’s deal is bad bro. Basically the same player as Joc and got 81 M more last off-season. Horrible
JusticeG
Exactly.. I always considered Schwarber/Tellez/Vogelbach the same guy, with Schwarber a tad better. Those other two make $1m to $1.5m each. DD decided to drop $80m on Schwarber which is a MASSIVE overpay. But hey, if you’re allowed to spend money like water and overpay whatever you like then, yeah, it’s a nice pickup. With Castellanos, he likely had zero competition in offering a five year $100m to another no defense player. But again, if money is no object, may as well give it a run. But that doesn’t make you a great GM.
VonPurpleHayes
Time will tell. I think with the DH his deal could work out, but I could certainly see it going south. I don’t think it’s fair to judge yet. Year 1 was a success. Year 1 of Nicky C was awful.
HardensBeardHasFleas
We love schwarbs he was worth every penny,just as overpaid Bryce was when he signed his mega deal. Never apologize for a owner willing to spend.
Pads Fans
Schwarber was supposed to be the DH until injuries hit. His 130 OPS+ says that he did what he was being paid to do, hit.
NatsPhils
He was the team leader this year. And your Sox missed him.
SportsFan0000
GMoney2850 Schwarber put the team on his back when Bryce Harper
was on the IL for 2 months.
JD Martinez did the same thing for the Red Sox and helped them win titles
With no JDM, Red Sox can forget some of those titles.
SportsFan0000
Castellanos had a huge prior year in Cincy and is expected to “bounce back”
SportsFan0000
What an unbelievably ridiculous comment.
Hader was getting hit hard after he was traded.
His ERA was something like 7.75 after the trade deadline.
The Phillies hitters would have smoked Hader in Milwaukee or San Diego.
JusticeG
Strongly stand by my comment. Following the trade, he had three poor outings which inflated his ERA. He had 16 solid outings. My point was that the trade itself sunk the Brewers – which it clearly did. Not necessarily only from a performance standpoint, but he was a beloved member of the team and they completely fell apart., allowing the Cardinals to cruise to the division title. They never regrouped Trades aren’t made in a vacuum. They affect teams. The Brewers make the playoffs if he is not dealt. Therefore, the Phillies don’t make the playoffs. Oh, and by the way, the Phillies hitters, whom you claim would have “smoked” him, actually struck out in each of the three at bats they had against him in the playoffs. So there’s that….
YankeesBleacherCreature
Interesting comments from DD detractors. He buys championship teams and guts farm systems leaving behind a burning pile of rubbish. It’s as if he only has one gear and floors it.
kabphillie
How many people would be upset that their team won a championship, not matter how it happened?
RobM
None.
The lamest excuse fans use is xx team “bought” a championship. It’s been shown time and time again that teams can’t buy championships, but they can supplement their teams through free agency to improve their chances. Winning a World Series title in any given year is random. We haven’t had a repeat winner since 2000. The sign of success today is consistently building winning teams that make the postseason.
High payrolls are a sign a team is trying to win.
citizen
says dombrowski.
97 marlins bought the ws championship.
They made a deliberate effort to do so.
cleveland built their team mostly through drafts. marlins bought their high priced free agents.
they weren’t in the playoffs years before and some years after. signed then sold their players.
No repeat winners since 2000 but success in todays age is what window the team is competitive.. royals in the series 2 years one won had a good run, same with the giants in the 2000s, every other year.
SportsFan0000
citizen False! Most of that 1997 team was built with the farm, drafts and trades. They added a few pieces at the end in free agency.
acell10
that’s exactly what he does and the one gear and floors it is spot on.
SportsFan0000
Interesting comment by Yankees fan who does not know the facts about Dombrowski. See Comments above.
Successfully built systems in Montreal , Miami Detroit and now Phillie.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Just opining my observations of this thread. I’m a fan of DD btw.
SportsFan0000
I shudder to think of how many titles Dombrowski would have won
with the Yankees, Dodgers or Cardinals
NatsPhils
Phillies had a bottom farm system when he took over. It’s a dumb narrative.
sliderwithcheeze
10 playoff appearances in 34 years really isn’t a big deal. Let’s not think he’s something special.
jimmertee
DD is going to the HOF. Look up all his accomplishments. It’s a lock.
Pads Fans
You are being sarcastic, right?
SportsFan0000
Dave Dombrowski is a first ballot Hall of Fame MLB Executive even before he was hired by the Phillies.
First Executive to lead 4 different teams to the World Series.
If you cannot see the value and accomplishment Dombrowski has done
then you are truly clueless.
sliderwithcheeze
He’s a terrible business man who throws ROI out the window simply because it’s not his money. He may get into the HOF MLB executive wing but no one visits that room. He doesn’t hold a candle to the rest of us. The Cooks, The Igers, The Hastings, The Cheeze, The Buffetts. WE belong in the hall of fame
prov356
We need Dombrowski back in Nashville.
SportsFan0000
It could happen in a few years after he wins a WS in Phillie
kreckert
Good. You don’t want him running a rebuild, but you sure as hell do want him if you expect to win now… and I’m pretty sure that’s the situation the Phillies are in. Honestly, give me four or five more playoff berths and throw in a championship and I won’t give a damn if he guts the farm system (farm system, what farm system?) in the process.
SportsFan0000
kreckert Dombrowski has run some very successful rebuilds in multiple cities
oldleftylong
DD will have the Phillies in the cellar by 2027.
SportsFan0000
oldleftylong That is not the Phillies business plan at all.
SportsFan0000
kreckert You are completely clueless and know nothing about building and maintaining championship teams.
Bruin1012
One of the great things about DD is the guy doesn’t give a rats ass about the ratings of the farm system yet he always seemed to no who to trade and not to trade. He seems to understand that a farm system is there to improve the big club either through trades or said farm or developing and graduating players to the big league club. It seems quite a few GM’s and fans have forgotten this. I know it’s fun to watch the latest prospects and dream on what they can become but DD seems to understand it’s all about the big league club. I appreciate he makes a decision and lives with it.
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Almost 300 comments on a post about an exec extension? Wow.
GMoney2850
Casuals need to be set in line from time to time. And they sure do love them some Dumbrow
MarlinsFanBase
He’s a Hall of Fame Exec, who was given an unfair bad rap in one of the cities that he ran a team. And it happened to be a team that is the darling of E!SPN, so they have the false narrative trying to override his actual achievements. So of course there are so many posts in this thread about him.
acell10
He’s above reproach either. It’s fair to say that in his past two to three he hasn’t really done anything other than spend a lot of the owners money and trade prospects for established players.
MarlinsFanBase
And prospects are just prospects until they actually prove something at the MLB level.
Is trading prospects for MLB players really something to criticize when the vast majority of prospects fail?
Among the prospects he’s traded, can we have an update on how many prospects he traded away that have succeeded versus failed?
In Miami, the only prospect that he gave up that ended up being a stud was Trevor Hoffman, and that was in a trade for Gary Sheffield. And this was months after Dombrowski grabbed up Hoffman from the Reds in the Expansion Draft.
Bruin1012
MLB TR has a great article on the DD trades in Boston and they were overwhelmingly positive. Just look it up it’s quite eye opening. The same is true if you look at DD trades in Detroit he has made great trades overall.
SportsFan0000
Again! False narrative from spoiled Red Sox fan.
Dombrowski has successfully built teams using all the tools in the Front Office toolbox.
Red Sox ownership made their business plan and ordered him to follow it.
Then when he followed it successfully, they threw him under the bus?!
Good luck finding your next POB since word is out around the MLB>
acell10
I literally have said nothing false and I’m not parroting an ownership narrative they never had.
acell10
Marlins: you keep missing. the point I don’t mind when teams trade prospects or sign players but I’m not going to praise Dombrowski for simply trading all his best assets and outspending everyone. That doesn’t take much skill.
IF you want to get nitpicky when he was the GM of Montreal he gave Randy Johnson away for nothing. Again I don’t necessarily hold that against him but if you want to praise the guy for only trading away trevor hoffman he deserves criticism then by that logic for giving away one of the best pitchers of all time.
SportsFan0000
Yes you have made many false, misleading and misinformed statements.
Red Sox ownership has put out a false narrative about Dombrowski to cover up for their own incompetence and their own deliberate business plans
to tank the Red Sox, not resign their own free agents, rely on drafts to get their team going again etc…
Boston Media and Red Sox sports Network and ESPN which is basically the New England Sports Network
have incessantly put out this bogus narrative about Dombrowski destroying teams.
IF IS FALSE!
CarverAndrews
@VPH – You seem to be one of the level-headed posters on here. Is it always this cantankerous in the comments section? I read the site, but almost never spend time in this area.
It appears that we have the usual screaming partisan divides, mostly based around the know-it-all types that think that they understand everything about baseball based upon their fantasy leagues and sabermetrics passion, and then the rest that are wasting their breath trying to get them to relax and look beyond their tablet and watch a game every now and then. Lots of relatively laid back, intelligent posters as well, but if this is what it is like it doesn’t seem as if it is worth the effort to sift through the drivel.
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Carver. Don’t know how long you have been here but you just about have it figured out. Took me a month a or two. It’s about a 70/30 split. 7 out of 10 comments may be level headed, but the other 3 are nutsy. Learn to use the mute button at times otherwise you’ll start to notice the same people posting the same muck over and over.
CarverAndrews
@VPH and Trumbo and MarlinsFan – hey, thanks for the feedback. It certainly IS active in the comments area…one cannot argue with that one. And perhaps it is worth checking into the comments area every now and then.
To answer Trumbo, I have been on the mlbtr site since early on…Tim and Co. have done an awesome job with it and it is exciting to watch them grow the business model. However I generally do not even look at the comments at all. The jungle of forums and such are rarely worth the time spent. But I will certainly note that this seems to have a higher % of folks that make an effort, and fewer trolls – although trolls seems to keep the conversation moving much of the time for all of the wrong reasons..
VPH – as a Phils fan, I think that we got DD at the best time. Deeper perspective than ever before; probably more willing to work with the saberdudes than before; better contacts than ever, and an owner that is really happy to have him after he messed up so badly with the Klentak idiocy. It will be entertaining to watch them continue to build the organization for the next few years. Despite the stuff being thrown around, he actually has a good track record with finding farm talent and this will be a key part of his legacy. So far, I am liking what I see.
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Carver, “jungle of forums.” Hahaha More apt of a description has never been spoken.
VonPurpleHayes
I think there’s always a mix of great posters and people just trying to argue. I’ve certainly been guilty of some bad posts myself. The Dombrowski hate seems silly, but honestly, if you’re a Red Sox fan right now, I can understand the frustration.
MarlinsFanBase
Well said @Carver Andrews.
I’ve also pointed out the issues about the know-it-alls who gain their baseball knowledge from fantasy league greatness and the only form of baseball they know from the sabermetrics world of spreadsheets and databases…while not knowing even a simple on-the-field concept based from actually stepping on a baseball field beyond rec league.
GMoney2850
You just described 27 of the 30 current GMs, but k
MarlinsFanBase
Hired by the 30 owners who, the majority of, are trying to look for guys that can save them as much money as possible…not because of their baseball knowledge, because they just hire the real baseball minds around them to make up for their lack of knowledge.
GMoney2850
Lol no they don’t bro. Like 80% of the FO are quants now. Everybody kinda realized scouting isn’t that hard and the best ones are wrong half the time anyway
CarverAndrews
Ahh, that comment that you reacted to MarlinsFan, was very illuminating. At least in the sense that it reinforces where so many of these folks are coming from. They see the sabermetric revolution that has occurred (which in many ways is to the detriment of the game as a whole), and they truly feel as if they, too, can qualify as a real GM after loading up on their Fangraphs allotment and rotisserie league profiles – and that their opinions are just as worthy and full of experience and depth as a DD. Hence, the over the top behavior on here.
As an aside, I am truly sorry that you had to live through the Loria years…that could scar anyone. Just as Klentak gave me a mild case of depression and anxiety.
MarlinsFanBase
@Carver Andrews
You’re right. My response was illuminating. Look at the response to it right after. It pretty much illustrates what we all have been chatting about in this thread.
I especially love the part where our detractor says, “Everybody kinda realized that scouting isn’t that hard and the best ones are wrong half of the time anyway.” LMAO!!!
Yeah, it’s really easy to scout players in high school, college, indie, international, etc. ball where the statistics are not reliable. Anybody can do it! LMAO!!! Ahhh, these sabermetrics guys. They don’t know enough about the game to use the eyeball test, so they think they need to dumb down all of us that have played enough ball to be able to. It’s like high school when the guys that were cut in the first 5 minutes of tryouts for showing up to a baseball tryout with sweats, multi-sport cleats, and a softball bat, bashing all of us that made the team by referring us to “dumb jocks”.
I wonder what’s next. Maybe “hitting isn’t that hard and the best hitters hit into outs 70% of the time, and fail to get on base a little over 60% of the time” These sabermetrics fantasy league video MLB The Show champions are hilarious!
SportsFan0000
TrumboJumbo
Von…Marlins…Carver…
Some posters do not understand that a Pres of Baseball Ops is hired and paid
by Team Ownership to implement Team Ownership’s business plan and vision for the present and future of their team.
The Red Sox are owned by a guy who made his money on Wall St
John Henry. His partner, Tom Werner made his money in TV sitcoms
(Werner Carsey Productions “Rosanne” and other Hollywood sitcoms).
Henry and Werner hire the POB and give him their business plan and “marching orders”.
Guys like Dave Dombrowski, who was first appointed GM of the Expos at the age of 31, has decades of well honed skills of building winning teams and winning farm systems with penny pinching owners and rich owners who spend money. POBs have multiple tools in their Front Office toolbox for building contending teams.
They get their budgets and marching orders from Ownership and implement Ownership’s plans.
The only question is why the Red Sox did not let Dombrowski restock the farm system and the team and instead let a blue chip executive go?!
All signs point to Sam Kennedy overreach into baseball Ops
(the Sales and Marketing guy).
Kennedy is out of his depth trying to oversee./supervise Dave Dombrowski
since Dombrowski has all the baseball experience
and Kennedy has mostly sales and marketing experience,
But, the Red Sox loss and bad business decision
has become the Phillies gain!
Owner John Middleton cannot believe his luck that the Red Sox
let Dombrowski go .
Middleton has stated this publicly multiple times.
An extension keeping Dave in Philadelphia to build the Phillies into
a long term contender is a “no brainer”.
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Von…Marlins…Carver….all making good solid sense tonight!
SportsFan0000
Dombrowsk left both the Montreal Expos and the Florida Marlins team and farm system in excellent shape:
Expos had the best record in baseball and were on track to go to the World Series
3 years after Dombrowski left many of his players there “in place”.
The 1994 Montreal Expos season was the 26th season of the franchise. They had the best record in Major League Baseball
(74-40), when the 1994–95 Major League Baseball strike ended the season and the team’s postseason aspirations.
That is a .649 winning percentage or over 105 wins over a full season of 162 games!!
The Marlins in 2003 won their second Championship 1 year after Dombrowski left for Detroit.
Case Closed!